Hey! I’ve got a guest strip over at Questionable Content!
“IF YOU USED PRISMS TO FORM LIGHT ITSELF INTO A NONILLION COOKIES PER SECOND THERE STILL WOULDN’T BE ENOUGH FOR ME TO DEAL WITH THIS”
That’s the way the cookie crumbles.
I enjoyed that game, pointless though it was.
The only wining move is not to play. Unless there is a winning move when you play it. I didn’t play it so I don’t really know.
yeah, it’s called “Ruin the Fun” (see below)
It struck me as half-baked.
I still enjoy it, as pointless as it is.
damn it, don’t you get me started playing that game again. I can’t go back there.
do I gotta ruin the fun every time I so much as hint at “watered-down Candy Box”?
…The base CpS of a Prism is 2.9 billion. How many Heavenly Chips do you need to get to nonillion?
So originally, when I played, I did it for about eight days straight, and racked up about 12 Prisms and a good couple dozen of the one below it. When I finally decided, screw it, and cashed in. I hit 1 million cookies so fast I felt a surge of POWER!
Carla’s final line makes it sound like she was writing a fanfic that went wrong at some point.
I bet Amber has that problem sometimes.
And now I’m imagining this fanfic. Thanks.
Write the fanfic about Amber writing the fanfic. Have Amazi-girl make a few contributions unbeknownst to Amber, so that there’s new material when Amber wakes up.
Fanfic-ception. Also, I probably will write this fanfic.
I will write one about you writing about it.
Fanfics all the way down!
until the fan ART
Doesn’t that happen with most fanfics?
Nah, most fanfic are exactly as they are intended to be.
Emotion over style
Most shark fanfics deteriorate into finfucs.
It’s like one of those “mad artist snaps and her art becomes grotesque” stories, but with boners and butts.
For some reason, I don’t think there’s going to be a whole lot of boners in a Ruth x Billie fanfic
But LOTS of butts
(Slipshine spoiler: There IS a boner… kinda)
Is it rubber? AND SPARKLY????
In Willis’s art style I dunno if you could tell the difference between rubber and plastic…or the difference between sparkles and silicate sandpaper.
O-oh, it’s HUGE!
Like, nine inches!
Well, some of Amber’s fics DO involve Guro (and for those that don’t know – it’s like “Goro” from Mortal Kombat, but just involving the over-the-top deaths of the combatants).
And now for the sixth Dumbing of Age tournament battle!
Announcer: Our next battle is Ethan Siegal vs. Joe Rosenthal!
Both of the step into the ring
Ethan: Hello, Joe
Joe: Did you see Sal and Marcie fighting, hot right.
Ethan: Wouldn’t know.
Joe snaps his fingers and two robotic naked ladies crawl onto stage.
Ethan: What the hell!?
Joe: Like them, reprogrammed sex robots! Designed to fight for me!
Ethan (looks at announcer): is this legal!?
Joe: Of course, I prefer real women, but you can’t bring them onto stage with you.
The robots rush at Ethan, attacking him with a flurry of punches and kicks. Ethan leaps out of the way, and tries to get into their blind spots. He sends a kick and one of their heads, only to have it bounce of.
Ethan pulls out two Windblades, and attacks one of Joe’s robots with them. Only managing to do minor damage.
Ethan: Wait a second.
Ethan puts himself between the two robots and waits for them both to attack him, dodging at the last minute.
Ethan: Ha! (as the robots accidentally punch each other)
The robots stagger, and Ethan takes both Windblades and rushes at them, aiming for a small wire just under their throats. He strikes true, and both robots begin to glitch behind him.
Robot 1: What a man..man… (both robots explode)
Ethan rushes at Joe, and punches him in the face sending him s taggering. Joe manages to regain his footing, only to see Ethan in the air above him.
Part of the stage collapses as Ethan slams into Joe with a massive Unicron toy.
Ethan is the winner!
if you linked these, those who wanted to read them could click them and it would be great
Yay, the DBZ-style battles are back!
Ruth is majoring in Culting
So, Marketing then?
“The Courtship of Two Cute Queer Ladies,” now on TGFI every Friday at 8 pm!
I’d watch it. And before 9pm too? Progress!
Carla thinks Billie and Ruth are cute!
Isn’t that basically Steven Universe?
Not just a death cult, a sexy lesbian death cult.
Statistically the best kind of death cult. Most of the others aren’t very sexy at all.
The Imperium of Man agrees with you.
And the inquisition will be here in three…two…one…
(meanwhile in space)
Inquisitor: Better just be safe about this-ALRIGHT PURGE TIME!!! *bangs head repeatedly on Exterminatus button*
(In the background: “Fucking heretics!”)
I wasn’t expecting some kind of space inquisition.
What -were- you expecting, then?
I’d say the Spanish Inquisition, but no one expects them.
hey friend I know you definitely did not mean anything malicious by this comment at all, and you’re going off of the source material, but as both a cult survivor and a lesbian I’d really appreciate never having to see that phrase ever ever again.
I have an issue with the comic itself but that’s a comment for another time.
You sound a little sensitive to be reading this, but it’s your own free will. 1. Wondering how you got by this far through the comic and comments, and; 2. Hoping you’re currently doing better than the past you have experienced.
….????? thanks for your weirdly condescending concern but I’ll be okay.
I’m only saying something because nobody knows what cults actually are, so people might appreciate being made aware of how horrific they are and uh, aren’t really a joking matter. But ok
You are clearly operating under the… delusion«?»… of there being only one (very narrow) definition of “cult”.
There has never been any religion in the history of human culture(s) which could not be catagorized as a cult.
The vast majority of cults are actually pretty harmless, and don’t even pretend (even in a self mocking way) to be religions.
In other words: religion is a subcatagory of cult!
hey pal never fucking talk down to me about my experiences again. Religion is not inherently a cult. You are mocking cult survivors with this rhetoric.
This is why nobody takes cult survivors seriously lmao
Dude, what the fuck?!?
Should specify this is towards Bratty Roger rather than Steph and I’m really sorry Steph that people are being assholes towards you after sharing this.
Par for the course 9_9 everyone thinks cults are either 1. wacky tribes living in the woods and doing blood sacrifices, or 2. Religion apparently
Cults are a lot more subtle and a lot more harmful than that. I don’t blame people for not knowing, but it’s exhausting being the only one educating ppl you know.
Thank you though Cerberus :’) your compassion and understanding truly mean a lot.
wow steph it’s really shitty how all these people feel the need to talk down to you about your own experiences
i’m sorry you have to deal with assholes like that
i really wish they could learn how to take a hint
*hugs* I’m sorry this one has been rough for you. And I’m sorry you’ve had to go through that.
Ouch, so sorry to hear that. I’m really glad for the “survivor” part.
it is normal right? I mean usually its only normal for very short times right? its when you think like that more than once or twice a year that its a problem?
As long as you don’t actually think it seriously, and fully considered it a serious option afterward.
*reminded to take her meds*
Well I haven’t thought of it to serously for a while but i still think of it more than i should. usually for like a few seconds but bah ill shut up now.
As one person who thinks of it more than he should to another, even if it’s not dangerous it could be a sign that getting some help could have real benefits. Better quality of life, not just safety.
It’s been a normal. I’m so grateful to my anti-depressants for making that way less of a normal for me and my partners.
my downs are why i have never tried to date personally. I feel like if i hated myself so much why try to force someone else to be with me. I am feeling better now though and look forward to trying to finally date soon.
Yeah, I’m still working on the having the self-esteem to believe I have worth to offer my partners half of it, but nonetheless they stick around and seem to be happy, so I must be doing something right at least.
or you are so cute they can’t help but want to stay.
sorry if that seemed flirty i was trying to make a joke
Its more of a suicide pact. But yeah, you had no idea what you were getting into.
More like Mutually Assured Destruction, except where personal destruction is desired but the other party’s is not.
… man the Cold War would have been so different if it played out like that.
“From Russia With Love” would have been a more literal title.
From Canada With Femurs
Isn’t that what some suicide pacts are? Some are made to make it easier to leave, others are made to make it harder to go.
Carla has her priorities straigh, er gay
Wasn’t she asexual in the short packed universe? Hmmm
Nothing about this runs contrary to her being ace.
Asexual homoromantic. Still gay.
Homoromantic asexual. Two great oppressions for the price of one.
She likes girls, she just doesn’t want to bang them.
Hence her comment last strip that Billie should be doing “gross things” to Ruth.
Amazi-girl IS batman. If he was in a college. And a female. And had parents.
And if one of those parents had been a complete asshole. (Although I suppose there have been continuities where that was true for Batman, too.)
You keep using that plural. I do not think it means what you think it means.
(Sperm donor, sure. Parent, no. So, she has one parent.)
Sadly, she’d be better off if you were right and her father were just a sperm donor.
But if that were the case, she might have never created Amazi-Girl.
…which would not necessarily be the worst thing, since at this rate amazigirl is going to get amber killed, and the extra identity in itself is a sign of a worsening mental disorder.
Yeah, things that tend to spawn more alters in a person aren’t always… great.
“I will go back in time to…er…er… subtly alter the epigenetics of my father’s sperm so that I am born but my dysfunctional superhero identity isn’t! [pause] Shazam!”
The problem isn’t that Amber does not have a parent/child relationship with Blaine.
The problem is that she DOES.
Batman: My parents are deeeead.
Amazi-Girl: Lucky you.
…if Scandal Savage has never had banter like that with the Bat, I’ll be very disappointed.
I’d peg it as more of a Raven thing to say than a Scandal thing. Or Stephanie Brown. Actually, damn, there’s a lot of female chars with supervillain dads these days.
I think that Stephanie Brown conversation actually did happen early on in Spoiler’s comic arc with Batman essentially empathizing with how complex it must be to have a parent but not want them given his own background.
There was a similar scene in one of the Batman/Superman books during the Luthor Administration, where Batman teamed up with Lois (to uncover evidence of Sam Lane’s crimes). He was deeply impressed at Lois’ determination to see her father put behind bars.
Carla’s last line has got to be up there with my all-time favorite DoA moments.
book title? i think its book title material
This whole storyline is coming to a header.
This scene is truly the title match.
Indeed, you can even say it’s the titula-
Agreed. Especially coming from her.
It’s so so good!
Definitely a strong contender for Quote of the Year 2016.
It’s actually a cute queer death cult. So 2/4, not bad.
But with poisoned cookies instead of Kool aid?
Is that why ruth stopped eating them?
Little did Carla know she was managing the spring 2016 TV lineup of character deaths…
…Why not both?
She thought she was managing a courtship? Is it a bit messed up that she thinks Billie and Ruth are/were/should be courting?
If shipping them is unhealthy, then most of us are in trouble.
You can support a couple in fiction that you would never want to see in reality. Billie/Ruth is definitely that for a lot of us.
But, Carla doesn’t have our perspective. She didn’t have significant evidence of problems other than the power difference until recently, and she freaked out appropriately when she started figuring it out.
I think the problem between us and Carla is that the couple for us is in fiction and for Carla is very much “in reality”.
We’ve seen sides of them they don’t willingly show. She’s just now realizing how fucked up they are.
She’s not wrong.
All in all, that’s the least messed up thing about this relationship.
Well, no, they had a nice hand-holding scene after watching Frozen at Joyce’s party, THAT was the least messed up thing, but you get the idea.
Panel 2 is more evidence for the closet geek Billie theory.
I dunno, there have been 9 theatrically released Batman films in my lifetime (I count Phantasm), and a couple of them have grossed a billion dollars. I think at this point it would be odd NOT to know who Bruce Wayne is.
that movie can still give me nightmares.
Yeah, it’s kind of incredible she managed to utter that sentence without some kind of denial she would know anything about that stuff.
Ehhhh not really, Batman is kind of a huge cultural icon. I mean, if she said that Amazi-Girl can jump like Super Mario, that doesn’t inherently mean she’s secretly a massive fan of Nintendo.
Your comment doesn’t read the same to me now that I’ve noticed that you’re “Amber”.
Muahahaha, my plan worked!
(okay no it’s a coincidence)
You know, right now is usually when someone should say something profound, maybe even wise. (Looks around at other viewers) what are you looking at me for, I got nothin’.
I’m just here for the fish.
Give Sal a chance. She’ll say… something in the next comic. One can only hope it will be somewhat wise.
Points to the name of the comic.
Your nerd is showing, Billie.
“One of us! One of us!”
It can be both, Carla.
Whoops, invisible comment.
*cough* SCREAMING INTENSIFIES
Now I just imagine you had a panel of internal screaming before the external.
Err-uh, yeah sure, let’s go with that!
Damn it, something went sideways.
Carla’s dialogue in the final panel is totally the title for the next book, guise
I wonder how soundproof the dorm walls and doors are. Seriously, Carla should be worried that Mary will overhear this and have even more ammo for her campaign of evil.
Only one thing to say at a time like this………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….I’m Batman!
Na-na. Na-na. Na-na. Na-na. Na-na.
Should have read the fine print there, Carla.
Nice deflection of Billie by the way. It would have worked if Carla hadn’t been so hung up on the little detail of Ruth being suicidally depressed.
Sal: Amazi-girl is a dangerous Lawless vigilante.
Me: *cough* *cough* kind of like you *cough* *cough*
You know what actually I take that back that’s more like alternate Universe version.
Sal’s not a vigilante…
I think this just might be the most entertaining strip of Dumbing of Age yet.
“I’m not Batman!
… i’m batman.”
Run! IT’S SHROEDINGER’S BATMAN!
Just realized that all five people appearing or mentioned in this fairly standard DoA strip are women, which is a detail that I find noteworthy in its lack of noteworthiness.
That’s the nice thing about representation done right: you just get used to it, especially when combined with good characterization. DoA never struck me as a “story about women”. At no point during the course of DoA did I ever think: “This story needs more straight white guys just like me”.
I don’t think there are any straight white males in the comic, discounting part time characters like the assorted dads. No, wait, Joe. While more of Joe’s character growth would be good, we don’t need more Joes. I think a good number of the comics here pass the Bechdel Test.
Minor note, Joe is Jewish, which is iffy to count as white.
Mike, Jason, and Galasso are all Straight White Males, though, so it’s not as bereft as you’d think.
Mike’s not straight.
Galasso can’t tell the difference between boys and girls, so I’m not real sure about assigning him a sexual orientation.
Jason being the token Straight White Guy is pretty funny, because, IIRC from IW! commentary, his original character trait was basically “the gay one”. Which somehow translated into “British”.
Mike is straight. He’s just willing to deviate to cause sufficiant pain.
I thought I’ve read that it’s a bit of a spectrum, and Mike in the past has show to be with guys in the Walkyverse, mainly for revenge based things, I believe. But not ‘pure’ straight. I also didn’t count Jason or Galasso, for I consider them to be minor recurring characters.
Sorry about the Jewish thing with Joe as well. Old preconception.
Mike is whatever you don’t want him to be.
For a nickle.
Why are we not considering all the straight white male dads this comic has? like toedad, blaine, joyce’s dad whose name i forget, etc.
also, joyce’s asshole brother
Cos, statistically, they’re probably bi and in denial.
Well, Orion Fury explicitly excluded them: “discounting part time characters like the assorted dads”
Jewish is white, just not Caucasian.
As for straight white males… well… *thinks*: Joe (read above), Walky, Jason. Think that about covers it for the main-ish characters. Rest of them are side characters, many of whom are parents and we really have so little to go on with them that assigning sexual preferences is somewhat of a guessing game.
Walky is ‘generically beige’.
I’m not Jewish or a PoC, so I don’t want to get into this too much, but:it’s complex. Ashkenazi jews tend to have passing privilege to a degree, but they still experience discrimination along ethnic lines. Theyre not PoC, but a lot of people will only too happily tell you they aren’t white either. Like I said, it’s a mess of an issue.
Also, Caucasian is a ridiculous category, since it’s used to mean “white” despite many white people not having ancestry from the Caucaus Mountains and many people from there not being white. That’s not really aimed at you, I just really don’t like that word because it’s so fundamentally inaccurate.
Absolutely. Someone made the same point during the parking lot scene. It’s wonderful, and it only get’s better as you realize that we have black women, trans women (plural), LESBIAN WOMEN!!! (yes Becky, we know), neurodivergent women, mute women…
The amount of people in the comment section who say that they see something of themselves in the cast, and how rare it is, is heartwarming and heartwrenching at the same time. Representation is not THAT hard. It should not be as notable as it is when done right.
Yeah. And that representation matters. There’s identities, including identities in this very strip that just don’t happen anywhere else that I can find. And it can be easy when you don’t see yourself in anything to assume that that’s just because you’re nothing or not worth seeing in a work of fiction.
And it’s beautiful that this strip just has that diversity and that it’s just there, with no character whose role is just to be the token and nothing else or worse the bundle of stereotypes so people can laugh at the marginalized identity.
There’s probably another comic to be written about the other wing of the dorm, focused on Sayid and Manny and such. Walky when he isn’t with Dorothy or Sal. Mike when he isn’t doing a cameo appearance. The deep inner life of Galasso. There must be male RAs and building staff. That’s not the one DYW is writing. For which we are grateful.
A day in life for Ethan’s RA:
“Maaaaan, Picard sure is bald today.”
… you know, that doesn’t sound too bad, actually.
Only Batman and someone who’s not Batman would say ‘I’m Batman’.
For the record, I’m not Batman either.
The rich one is Batman, because superman never made any money for saving the world from Solomon Grundy… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUIPlLw2ZE
I should feel bad for playing a song for Supe’s funeral here. Luckily, I think he gets better.
But Billie and Carla are the rich kids and so they must be Batmen.
To be fair, there’s little Superman would need money for. And if he does, he can just do a temp construction job (in ~2min or less) and rake in a few million. Or assist in combating climate change with his arctic breath for another few billion. It would be SO EASY to make money as Superman, if he realistically ever cared to do it.
Why does Billie think Sal is Amazi-girl? There are obvious physical differences.
“I’m not Amazigirl!” is something I would say if I didn’t want the police/random campus folks potentially coming after me, especially after the Toedad incident. From Sal’s perspective, it would also be something someone with a previous record would say. shout out to Sal calling it for what it is too.
Also, I wonder if Ruth could see someone for her depression. On college campuses, there are mandatory reporters, but she doesn’t have to tell them WHY she’s feeling the way she is, just that she is. It’s a pretty scary situation either way, on both sides.
Ruth COULD see someone. Step 1 is wanting to get better. Step 2-7 is getting out of bed, looking for their phone number, making an appointment, showering, dressing, and going to that appointment. Step 8 is discussing your personal problems with a total stranger and listening to their advice. Good luck doing any of that when you’re depressed.
You left out waiting eight weeks for an appointment.
My experience on more than one college campus has been that it’s a lot easier to get help than if you’re out in the “real world”. I have no idea about IU specifically though.
It’s been my experience that it’s way easier too.
College campus counseling: Long wait, $0
Outside counseling: a few weeks to a long wait – especially reduced price. Lowest I’ve found in NYC is $35/session. Highest – $ 300+.
Generally, it seems to me that the cheaper the trend, the longer the wait, regardless of where you are. But on college campuses, it’s usually a short walk away, and they will see you if you are in crisis. This doesn’t mean there are 0 issues with it, but it’s way more accessible, monetarily speaking, sadly enough.
My first depressive episode was in first year university. I made an appointment with counselling.
The guy listened to me talk for a while, staring at me in a strange way which turned out, after a while, to be an unsympathetic stare. Finally he said, “It’s up to you. I can’t help you.” And walked me to the door.
Maybe you get what you pay for.
… I’d file that under ‘not trying at all to do his job’, but you have a good point.
It has to be worth a try, though. And she could do it with help. As a former RA, I have actually had to coach people on why it’s not alright to do nothing in situations like this. It’s this weird thing where the risk of a friend’s health is somehow less than the risk of “ratting them out” a la Sarah’s situation. When you are that age, especially right out of high school, socializing and its costs and benefits seem to trump all else.
And they will see you immediately if you are in crisis. Alternatively, a stay in the hospital can also be helpful. Therapists an also be helpful. Think of when you’re depressed, and you think of solutions, and the little voice in your thoughts that goes “what’s the use (of anything)?” – that’s the depression talking. Everyone’s life is worth a chance. And besides, what’s the alternative – doing nothing on the chance that Ruth MIGHT simultaneously exit withdrawal AND come down from her crisis? Not likely without help.
What she needs is the Trevor Project Lifeline:
Specific support for suicidal youth. Not tied to campus services, so she can freely talk about her relationship and the blackmail without worrying about it coming back to bite her position. Queer-specific so she doesn’t have to worry about some holy roller ranting about the gays when she tries to talk about her girlfriend. Not a mandatory reporter so she can be honest about the abuse from “sir” and her suicidal thoughts.
And most of all, it’s a phone service, not something she needs to show up in person for, so she’ll need to work up far fewer spoons than something she’d actually have to work up going outside for.
And then after that, yeah, probably hospitalization. I mean, she’s at risk enough and she could probably use the observation and opportunity to try some meds in a safe-ish environment.
Thank you! I didn’t even know that existed, and I tend to forget about phone hotlines. Outside of this comic, yeah it’s so important for everyone to get the help they need.
There was one case when I was in school where a girl didn’t and they found her in her room nearly a day later. Another I was acquainted with called 911 in time. I had no idea until she told me. For that reason I will never disparage getting any form of help. A person is here and then they’re gone. Dammit.
Yeah, I’m very much of the mindset that anything that prevents a suicide that doesn’t actively harm someone else is always to be prioritized. Or at least it’s an ideal I try to live up to as a teacher. So far I’ve kept my little crew of outcasts alive and ticking and I’m knocking furiously on wood that I’ll continue being able to keep it up going forward.
I’m sure you will, Cerb. I hope they all find tranquility or a reason to struggle on.
You left out paying for her therapy. Which is no joke. Especially if you have very serious issues like Ruth’s that will require years of work with a Good therapist.
Ruth is on a very tight budget. Even if she gets the motivation to find a therapist, even if she lucks out and finds a therapist who can actually help her, even if she can manage to get out of bed and get to therapy every week for 2-3 years, she’s still going to have to pay for it. And that means working more. While trying to cope with suicidal despair.
It’s no joke. I do hope it works out for her. Just as I hope it works out for all the people I know who are facing a similar situation.
Because Amazi-girl is wearing a mask, of course. 🙂
I went looking for the time Amazi-Girl’s mask slipped and wound up re-reading Dumbing of Age for the past two and a half hours.
I couldn’t remember why Billie thought Sal was Amazi-Girl either, so I went back and hunted it up:
…and Sal, I know you’re not a lawless vigilante, but I can see how advice like “taking the law into your own hands is the only way to deal with this” might have given Billie the wrong impression on that. 🙂
Now you know how we feel, Carla!!!
I see you don’t know Billie very well, Carla
In which Carla briefly channels the DoA commenters.
I thought she constantly channels us.
We really are all Carla, aren’t we?
Maybe the real Carla was the friends we made along the way.
Are you ordering from the menu or all are Carla?
Carla doesn’t actually read the comic she’s in.
Well yeah, if she did, she’d be Deadpool
But does she like chimichangas?
Or She-Hulk if she doesn’t advertise her awareness.
I think the comment section would be ok with that.
Pfffft, as if she has time for that when she is busy being RAD!
She will once Ruttech perfects their alternate dimension observation device.
Aw, Carla thinks Billie and Ruth are cute.
She is not wrong.
I love this aspect of her character so much. That she’s such a strong cheerleader for all queer relationships and thinks all women-loving-women pairings are cute. It’s just such a nice positive glimmer under all the snark armor she piles on.
Real talk here, why hasn’t anyone gotten professional help involved? Ruth is SUICIDAL. She needs to see a therapist at the very least. Remember how Sarah called her roommate’s dad because the other girl was in a downward spiral? That was the right thing to do!
Because until just now, only Billie knew?
I’m trying to come up with a funny, slightly glib way of directing your attention to the webcomic’s title. I don’t think I’m succeeding.
That’s exactly my question! Ruth can’t be an RA or be with Billie or one up Mary. She can’t do any of that or enjoy her life if she’s not alive to see it. Even if a person is not literally about to do it, it’s a medical emergency that should be treated with urgency.
The irony of this comment is that I’m genuinely convinced that Sarah calling her roommate’s dad was probably actually the wrong decision in that particular case.
That said, no, you’re right, Ruth needs therapy yesterday.
I don’t know about that. Maybe she could have told an RA or an actual school official, but her friend still would have had to detox and everything like that. That’s very hard to do while you’re juggling a full time school schedule and extracurriculars. A college education isn’t worth as much as it could be if you’re in a stupor throughout. I say that from experience, I spent app. half of mine in a depressed and anxious stupor till i got help.
True. But there’s a difference between telling a school official or mental health professional and emphasizing the depression and telling a family member of the “remove them from school instantly” school and emphasizing the “drug addiction” to frickin’ pot of all things.
Like, Dana’s semester was wrecked and Sarah was in a panic state because her semester was in crisis as well, so it’s understandable that Sarah felt like she needed to act fast, but I’m really reading a lot of red flags in how Dana talked about her dad or rather pointedly did not, how quickly he removed her, and how the friends who are still in contact with her report that she’s stated she’s not in a better or safer space because of Sarah’s decision.
You make a good point. I guess that’s why it’s difficult. Dana would have had to go somewhere to detox, though- but if home’s not the place, then where? She certainly couldn’t have stayed the way she was – even if it was weed, she was doing it because she was depressed, rather than recreationally. What would have happened to her if she hadn’t got help?
I must admit I understand part of Sarah’s disposition towards pot though- I have numerous issues with its legalization, particularly the lack of retroactively releasing the many people (of color) that got jailed for up to decades for possessing and selling – it’s so racialized it’s not even funny. Besides that, to me it’s not cocaine but it’s like alcohol. People use it, many do because they have demons they need to fight, and if I ever participated in drug use. With my past, I’d have been strung out long ago. So I don’t judge, because we all have demons, but I’m not in the camp that there’s nothing at al problematic with it.
So for people to call it nothing- it’s not really, otherwise people wouldn’t be paying up to hundreds of dollars an ounce for “nothing” and people wouldn’t be going to jail over it.
I’m not sure she would have even needed to detox.
Like she was on pot, not heroin. What she needed was an actual therapist so she wasn’t treating her roommate like a therapist and had a trained professional who could help her with the grief and mourning and not just over-using medicine to try and numb herself out of that process.
Though, I think without help, she’d honestly probably have just lost a semester or two. It happens when a loved one dies. Having seen a lot of people self-medicate through bad times with weed (because of my job as teacher of students going through all sorts of shit including regular parental abuse), it’s honestly not the worst of strategies.
Really, the worst part of what she was doing was simply not doing anything to healthily process her emotions and pulling Sarah into a role of unpaid therapist and thus putting her own academic standing in crisis.
And as far as the second half, I dunno, I think it’s racialized and that’s why it’s illegal. It’s a convenient way to criminalize a large portion of the black community by selectively enforcing drug laws. Hell, a large part of the reason that marijuana is illegal and tobacco isn’t has to do with it being seen as the drug of essentially three groups that the status quo of the time hated (black people, queer people, and the counterculture youth, which was heavy on both of the previous categories).
And in my position, I live in a state where medicinal marijuana is legalized and so, I can see a lot of examples of the why of that. I’ve got kids that wouldn’t be able to get out of bed for all the anxiety if it wasn’t for pot or who wouldn’t be able to handle their chronic pain without their topicals and the like. And I’ve seen kids using it entirely to prevent slipping into states like Ruth while they try and survive and ride out abusive family situations or regular sexual assault.
And these are kids whose parents are being regularly reported to CPS and yet they are still stuck for likely another 2 more years before they can fully escape.
People turn to it, not because it’s “nothing”, but because it’s a genuinely helpful medicinal plant and the fact that people are thrown in jail over it is appalling and infuriating. Like, I think it’s the worst thing in the world for all the people who’ve been thrown in jail over that bullshit, to keep doing the injustice. It should have been legalized years ago and regulated like every other medicine.
And if that means making it a scheduled substance and limiting its access to those who have a prescription, so be it, but I just can’t pretend that some kid strung out on pot is in as much danger as one strung out on a harder drug or using alcohol to get through their days.
And it’s worth noting here that I come from a very specific set of circumstances where I have a lot of suicidal people around me. So if pot helps them not kill themselves or have enough spoons to get out of the house and take care of their necessities or ride out a really awful abusive period of their life, then holy shit, go pot!
I just saw your second comment! I heartily agree with that!
I have considered your points. Hmm..
As per the comic, Dana was on it and she still wasn’t able to handle her issues on her own. Additionally, the point I was trying to make before is that it’s a bit complex when you’re using an uncontrolled substance because your situation is complicated by depression, fragile emotional state, etc. rather than recreational use. You have more life experience with situations like these than I do. Do people just get off it, do they become dependent, or do they take time and then get off it when they’ve replaced that coping mechanism with something else? Do they ever replace it with some other coping mechanism You’re definitely right about the system for children being royally fucked up, though.
Secondly, I want to let you know that the work you just mentioned now and the work you’ve done in the past is fabulous and you are an absolute asset to the community. There are not enough caring people in the world who do the work that you do.
That being said, you have a point that there are medical and other uses for its benefit. I am glad that it helps people like the ones that you are working with, and it occurs to me that I wouldn’t think to try pull the rug out from those that need it, legally speaking.
For many of the reasons that you indicate in the latter half of your comic, as I said before that’s where most of my consternation lies. I am aware of the war on drugs and the devastation it has caused communities of color. When pot was first campaigned to be legalized, one of the arguments I heard, often from people who only used it recreationally, was that it was not “really” a drug and completely “harmless”, all while ignoring the decades long treatment of POC sellers and buyers. Many of the reasons you state are excellent reasons, but I doubt they would have been taken seriously had they come from POCs.
as to the last part, I would actually consider those to be similar situations, if the person, like Dana’s case, was on it and couldn’t FUNCTION (I don’t know how to use italics, sorry! I don’t mean to “yell”). like if it’s not helping at all, then I’d be like, “okay, let’s start from scratch and see what we can do”. If it’s the only thing that helps, then by all means, it’s just that for some people any kind of substance – food, sugar, alcohol, etc can become an *unhealthy* dependency. Although if it gets you through an awful situation with no harm done, then no harm done. I freely admit I’m biased that way, though because of my particular situation. I know I have a potentially addictive personality and there are people in my family who are addicts/very mentally dependent on stuff.
Lastly, I think the term “drug” has negative connotations colloquially, particularly when used to modify the word “addict”. I use it in the clinical sense, and would refer to things like Advil or Claritin, as well as alcohol or any kind of substance as a “drug”. So I mean anything that can be used to alter the body’s chemistry in that way, not like “eeurrgh! drug addicts” or anything like that.
Oh yeah, addictive personality makes things a lot more complicated and you have all my sympathy and *hugs* for coping with that.
And yeah, I fully agree that my statements would not be taken as seriously if I was a TWoC and that I’m benefitting from white privilege to even be able to make the arguments that I’m making. It’s kinda like feminist men being taken more seriously on things like rape culture or the male gaze in media than any woman speaking on the subject ever will.
To answer your specific questions, I think first, it’s worth noting that Dana was functional. Like, she wasn’t doing well. She was in mourning and depressed and was using her roommate as a therapist and was actually negatively impacting her roommate’s sleep as Rutee pointed out. But she was functional. She was getting out of bed, getting to class, showing a relatively ok face to her friends. She was muddling through and hanging in there and we can see that in contrast to say, Ruth, who’s really crashing hard against rock bottom on the functionality chart.
And in my experience, yeah, I’ve seen folks get off of pot relatively easy when another medication has worked better or had less side effects, but that it requires building that different coping strategy or acquiring that different medication first. Similar to someone needing a different anti-depressant to jump to before going off their current anti-depressants.
And it’s worth noting that I come from a perspective of safer coping strategies, so if something’s a bad coping strategy and an unhealthy dependency but is keeping someone going when otherwise they wouldn’t, then be all means, abuse that now and we’ll build you a better coping strategy to get you off the dangerous stuff and on to things that are safer and less overall harmful to one’s health.
And thanks, I try. I dunno, I’m just so tired losing so much of my community to suicide and so if I can throw in a lot of effort to try and keep a small group of it going from one day to the next, then maybe that’s something at the end of the day.
Weed itself was criminalized because it endangered standing meriken business interests (Or rather, hemp did). If there’s drug laws – any of them – the police will abuse the shit out of them to arrest black people. Hell, white people have done more pot than black people, proportionally, for at /least/ a generation now. But as far as ‘we need laws on the books to be able to harrass black people properly”, it serves its intended role, and making it legal hasn’t actually helped incarceration much because there’s still every other law on the book to disproportionately enforce (DWB is all but an offense, after all, outside of a rare few cities where you’d never stop pulling people over if it were). “Legalize pot”, from the perspective of racist enforcement, is like putting a bandaid on someone’s shoulder, when they’re bleeding out from the leg.
None of that means it /shouldn’t/ be legalized. I’m pretty sure it’s majority use /is/ recreational. /And that’s okay/. It’s not like it would be better to control it if it were recreational, but not harmful – which it mostly is. We have limits on alcohol, and alcohol is probably more harmful. And yes, everything you’re saying is valid, and unsurprising. I hope everyone comes out okay.
I will note, tho? The problem that Sarah had wasn’t just that she was therapist – it was that she couldn’t get any god damned sleep (Presumably from the smell of weed, based on the image in that shot.) And tbh, I’m not sure that’s a thing that’d be helped by legalization in this exact instance. Dana clearly had places to light up that weren’t their room in the general, but was most likely relying on doing it even more in her room because she needed a place of safety and isolation to do it in. And that’s valid on its own – except that the consequences were hurting someone else, someone who could ill-afford to deal with that coping mechanism disrupting her sleep schedule. Sarah made the right call, at least as far as her own sake. Whether it was what was best for Dana, I don’t know, but Dana can afford to deal with it better, because she isn’t riding on her one shot.
I also wouldn’t be surprised in that situation that if Dana had gotten busted for pot it would have spilled over onto Sarah, due to that racist enforcement – black girl with pot in her dorm room. Sure, she says it’s all her roommates …
That’s actually a really good point I hadn’t thought of, but yeah, that’s completely true. If the campus police had decided to investigate, she probably would have been screwed over in that exact way.
And that probably was at least partially on Sarah’s mind as she was figuring out what to do. And raised the stakes for her somewhat. And that might have been raised even more if she actually knew someone personally growing up who was busted for possession. Because the black community tends to be heavily targeted for that.
I agree that’s a good point. One of my friends had a roommate freshman year who used pot a lot, also dealt and at least a couple times smoked in their room. My friend complained about his living situation regularly (the guy would also play video games on a large TV screen throughout the night, making it harder for my friend to sleep). Anyway, at one point it seemed that legal charges were about to emerge against the guy, so the RAs helped my friend move rooms immediately so that he wouldn’t get in trouble as well.
When we look at Sarah’s decision on her roommate, it’s important to remember that she was a freshman then. The grumpy more adult seeming Sarah we see now is the product of that decision, not the author of it.
I love Carla’s perspective as an outsider vs. Billie who is so used to the situation she doesn’t see how fucked up it is anymore.
I think it’ll be Sal who will provide a solution. I doubt her solution would be to “notify the authorities”, though. That’s not her style. But then what?
Well, if Sal of all people is going to suggest talking to the authorities, then we will know that things are really, really bad. Like when smiling Joyce struck down an authority figure.
Yeah, sometimes fresh blood can be critical to a situation like that. Because it can become very easy to slip into a space where that sort of stuff is just normal and you’re mostly just looking for the critical signs of a really bad turn.
And so it can be helpful to remember, oh right, this shouldn’t necessarily be the normal. And that can mean remembering that the act of caretaking really can be draining and self-care is important too or can mean things like noting that the fucked up state of affairs for your marginalized identity are that way because of oppression and not because that’s what you inherently deserve.
And given the toxic co-dependent, slightly abusive hole that Billie and Ruth were in, an outside perspective not stuck in NRE and fetishization of the tragically flawed romance is very very critical if they are going to build either a healthy relationship or a healthy friendship.
In many situations, the solution to a problem must come from a meta-level (outside the seeming ground of the problem). Billie and Ruth may just not be capable of solving their problems from within the problem.
If the house is on fire, try to put it out from outside the house. Doing it from inside the house doesn’t work. (both a Hamilton cite and a valid scientific and mathematical concept)
Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
Or an honest person. Either one is to be commended.
“I thought I Was Managing The Courtship of Two Cute Queer Ladies Not a Goddamned Death Cult!” should be the title of the book.
It’s a bit wordy.
Not that much longer than I Beg You, do not Cast your Body into the Cragged Shame Pits of the Lustwolves.
what is this from?
Book 2 of this comic.
I was seriously going to say this exact same thing, but had the sense to search for anyone else saying it.
Sadly, I don’t think “goddammit” would ever make it in a title.
There’s only one way to really figure it out:
See if Sal can breathe in space.
To continue yesterday’s cast of “The Willis strikes back”:
– Ewok Walkerton, called Walky, made friends with
– Dorotheia Organa, future President of the New Republic (though their relationship was endangered by his strange preferences);
Maryhuff Tarkin: uses extortion and destruction to make things go her way and cares for nobody but herself;
Mike Fett: can be hired to do violence;
Jocelynbail Organa: doesn’t openly join the rebellion, but supports them behind the scenes and helps two friends break into their former home to do something important;
Marci Windu: calm and wise;
Count alayooku: friend or foe? Ad then there were those epic fights against Amberkin and Obi-Sal Kenobi;
Raidah the Hutt: Sara Solo’s nemesis;
R2Dina: has her own way of speaking, but her special skills set wll come in handy; close to Amberkin.
Any ideas for Ruth, Carla, Joe and Jacob?
Jacob: Jacdo Calrissian
Marcie, Malayooku…. Stupid typos.
We’ve got Chewbecky already, but maybe we can add Jowbacca as well. More Wookies can’t be bad.
I hate to ask it, but…do we have a gungan yet? Wait! Before I’m burned alive I have only one think to say: Joe Joe Binks. Hesa tinka hesa good wid da ladies an’a come off like a jerk, but deep down hesa okedaye.
Jar Jar Billingsworth was already listed yesterday.
But perhaps the Gungan has been cloned, and now there’s Joe Joe as well …
I prefer Galasso the Hut.
Makes sense if he eats a lot of his own pizza. Also, according to the novelization, Jabba’s hairlessness wasn’t normal for his species, so choosing a balding guy for his role makes sense.
“Makes sense if he eats a lot of his own pizza (and subs!).”
Man, I honestly think the final line of this strip is a way better title for Book 6 than “The Mechanations of my Revenge will be Cold, Swift and Absolutely Ridiculous”.
And I liked that one.
I cannot agree. The earlier one was classic.
Wordless panel 3 Sal is the best Sal.
How did this wind up here?
I’ma gonna head off now. Gonna leave a top level comment for a reply to Cerberus critique that’s most likely forthcoming.
Sal’s had a pretty wide range of facial expressions today, and the last one for me appears to be concern/worry.
Also, “Me thinks the lady doth protests too much.”
Yeah, I see that too. I think Sal is definitely deeply reacting to the “no, no, I’m not being hyperbolic, Ruth genuinely wants to die and that’s freaking me out” from Carla and that’s super interesting.
I feel there’s either serious backstory there or just she’s really empathetic and this is getting her to worry/freak out too.
I agree. I feel like Sal is way more empathetic than she lets on. Given that she robbed a convenience store at one point, she probably has been in that place where she feels as though she’s not worth anything.
Yeah, it’s only shallowly buried, and whenever it’s needed Sal basically cranks it up. She’s not always great at knowing when to, though. I think with Sal, the idea of openly expressing emotion is difficult for her because it makes her think she’s open and vulnerable.
Even with Amazi-Girl, someone she has every right to hate, she basically pleaded with Danny to try and stop her because she was grateful to her for saving Becky.
You saved people so you have to stop it.
More like “I know you mean well but you’re going to fucking die and hurt other people if you keep this up. Also your continued reliance on your alter is causing you significant mental damage and is now causing you to actively push away people who want to help you.”
There is so much packed into this one, it’s like a smorgasbord of crucial character moments.
Panel 1: Poor Sal. Like, this isn’t just about the fact that she seems to be one of the few people on campus who isn’t going “yay, superhero” about the masked vigilante on campus or the fact that Amazi-girl has straight up decided to stalk and harass her on multiple occasions and treated being rescued as an excuse to abuse and harass her some more.
It’s also tying into what has been happening in the world for black kids. The endless news story of overzealous justice types gunning down unarmed black folk. When she says that Amazi-girl is a dangerous vigilante, she means it on a whole nother level on top of just the worries about her stability.
Sal doesn’t just disapprove of Amazi-girl, she straight up wants her to be stopped before someone gets hurt or killed and she’s very convinced that this is where that’ll end and it might even be her or a loved one that it happens to.
But I also like that despite how angry she is, she’s still trying to speak calmly and de-escalate the situation. She has her temper that prevents that being a reliable strategy, but I like that she tries it nonetheless as it shows that intentional effort to push down the righteous fury that still burns within her.
Panel 2: I genuinely forgot how much Billie likes to latch on to a notion and then refuse to drop it despite all the evidence to the contrary. And it’s tragic, because she’s not as wrong about everything as she assumes, but the things she decides to get stubborn about and not listen to people over tend to be the things she’s most off-base on.
And that, I think, is a major source of a lot of her self-esteem problems and her tendency to view herself as useless. And she’s not. She just needs to get better at hearing things and letting go “good notions” when it doesn’t look like it’s true.
Panel 3: And here, you can see the Sal at the exact moment all of her fucks violently leave her body. She’s now completely out of fucks to give about the tactful response to Billie’s accusation. Let us see the carnage that will now ensue.
Panel 1 – yup. And sadly, Sal KNOWS that Amazigirl is gunning for her, and she doesn’t even know about the Danny connection.
Panel 3 – We dodged that bullet for now… or rather, Carla did!
I took it as ‘Critical Error, Reboot in Safe Mode‘.
But I’m not the Messiah!
Only the true Messiah would deny being the Messiah!
Then I AM the Messiah!
HE IS THE MESSIAH!
Follow the Gourd!
No you truly are the messiah! I should know, I’ve followed a few!
Comic Reactions 2, the Strip Strikes Back:
Panel 4: Damn, there’s so much here. Um, okay, let’s start with Sal. There’s that anger flare up and it’s understandable why. There’s a reason she starts with the attack at the parking lot. Because that was an incident where she was doing nothing to hurt anyone, but Amazi-girl came in and enforced a petty rule to try and instigate an excuse to commit violence on her.
And if that last sentence sounds extra awkward when you think about Black Lives Matter and folks like Philemon Castle, then yeah… that’s why she’s out of patience for being called Amazi-girl and having that direct comparison made between them.
And I like the moment of self-awareness on Billie, where, she notices that she’s just royally pissed Sal off in a way that rarely happens, even if she presents it in a vaguely tone policing sort of way.
And then Carla, oh Carla, I fucking love your character so much. Like, yes, this. This argument is pointless and dumb and you didn’t just nope straight from Ruth’s room to watch this unfold while people are in suicidal crisis that you are massively underequipped to handle.
There was a conversation about Romeo and Juliet and Mercutio yesterday, and this is a prime Mercutio moment from Carla, a pox on both your houses, cause there’s some suicide shit that needs to get dealt with right the fuck now.
She may be freaking out, but she’s focused when she wants to be and she’s using that to excellent end now.
Carla is very goal oriented. “MY NOPE IS STILL IN EFFECT!!!!”
“And I like the moment of self-awareness on Billie, where, she notices that she’s just royally pissed Sal off in a way that rarely happens, even if she presents it in a vaguely tone policing sort of way.”
I don’t think that’s tone policing, or remotely self-aware. Billie is using the same silly pseudologic Rachel applied to Carla a bit ago: the accusation draws a reaction, therefore it must be true. After all, if it were false, Sal would have no reason to care. What, the possibility that it is so untrue as to be offensive, or just generally caring about the truth? Nah, pretty sure that’s not a thing.
I first read the subtitle as “the strike strips back”. Which frankly isn’t even any sort of sexy, just plain weird.
In other words, just like me sometimes.
On the subject of Sal bringing up the parking lot fight, I think the more pertinent reason for her using it is the fact that there is a third-party witness in the room, Carla, who can attest to the fact that Sal and Amazi-Girl are two different people because she saw them fight.
Not to say that you’re wrong, of course, but that subtext/context is more likely to be in the back of her mind, not the forefront.
22 minutes, 126 comments. Goddamn, Willis, your fans are nuts.
We are the swarm.
We are numberless.
We are the harbinger of Willis’s works.
We are Carla.
We are pecans.
Is this the part where we all get banished into a herd of pigs?
Herd of pigs? Sure we’ve herd of pigs.
Comic Reactions 3, Return of the Carla:
Panel 5: Oh Billie… 🙁 This is all her fears about the breakup. That her not being there for Ruth would lead to Ruth ending it all and that not happening being the only pot she put her remaining self-esteem to.
And that face conveys so much sadness and concern.
Panel 6: And Sal is back to stunned silent. Hmm, never handled suicidal people before or all too well identifies with that particular feeling from a pained and alienated youth?
And Billie, her face stuck in blank rictus. Her pain and depression this arc has been largely overlooked, but this is the last thing her mental health needed this day. And that sorrow in noting that oh yeah, heh heh, I might have put you on suicide watch, because she’s kinda always suicidally ideating and cripplingly depressed, ha ha is just heartbreaking.
And Carla. Noting immediately that this doesn’t seem to be engendering the same panic in everyone else and angrily trying to figure out why. And that last line…
Is just perfect in every way, because, oh yes, of course Carla was like hell yeah, queers, in her baby tranarchist queer activist self. And yeah, she would have been all over playing cupid to the other baby queers in the hall. And hell yeah, that she feels a bit betrayed that she was sold slightly emo teen women-loving-women romance and was delivered into playing suicide watch for a sexy lesbian suicide pact.
And I love the strong betrayal in her voice there. Like, look at her face, she’s genuinely hurt and upset that this cute budding closet romance she thought she was helping out with at a difficult time is also kinda a toxic mess filled with broken people in serious crisis mode.
And I get the feeling that finding this out and finding out what she was signed up for without her permission is going to trigger her problem-solving brain hard and we’re gonna see her start to cut through some of the communication problems in Ruth/Billie’s relationship or ex-relationship with a chainsaw.
Cause Carla is done and when Carla feels done about things, shit’s about to go frickin’ down!
Honestly, Carla has finally become my favorite character with this arc. And it’s because she is, at her heart, a problem solver. And pretty damn effective one at that. And that just adds layers onto her already formidable awesomeness.
Lovely comment, excellent headcanon, and yes, Carla for newest (only slightly problematic) fave of 2016. We don’t deserve her, and she knows it.
… I hate to point it out, but it’s something that is bugging me: Carla being both trans and reasonably self-adjusted means she is probably a trans person with a lot of trans friends (that kind of self-assurance is very difficult to have if you don’t know a decent number of people like you IME). I understand that this is a fairly big assumption to make but let’s consider the fact that I live in a smallish city of roughly of 75K people (115K in the greater metropolitan area), and I know six trans people in meatspace, two nonbinary people who don’t want to be called trans (both because they’ve unfortunately absorbed truscum shit about how Thou Must Be This Trans To Call Thineself Trans), and an agender person who also doesn’t want to be called trans (in xir words, “Trans implies I have a gender, and I don’t.”), and of course I myself am questioning. That’s in a smallish region. And not including the online trans people I know. The US has a much greater population density, so I’d imagine it’s easier for trans people to meet up and get to know each other in a typical US city (which are bigger than typical Canadian citites).
Working on that assumption, that means, given the stats on the trans suicide and attempted suicide rate, she’s probably had friends in this situation before. Hell, in my case I’ve had to accompany friends to the hospital four times in the past three years.
And odds are quite good she’s been through the trauma of a friend’s suicide attempt or (I hope not but it’s possible) death from suicide.
My guess is that’s why, unlike Billie, Carla is entirely willing, ready, and able to err on the side of caution with this stuff and treat it as the emergency it is: She’s got the life experience to recognize it as an emergency.
That makes sense.
And might mean that her “wait, what” moment overhearing Mike would have been more of the “oh shit, I wasn’t even thinking of that, cause I was all in cute closet queer romance land and wasn’t thinking about hanging with my trans friends online kind of stuff”.
And yeah, if she’s lost someone, then yeah, I can see her being extra emphatic about “no, if she is suicidal then we need to intervene now, cause I’m not losing another one”.
Carla, Carla, Carla….
Why would you assume that the two are mutually exclusive?
Sanity? SANITY HAS NO PLACE WITHIN THESE WALLS!
Carla is the Only Sane Woman?
Also, I have a strong feeling that Carla is the type of person who seeks out obscure happy queer romance comics and e-books and reads them for hours on nights she doesn’t feel like skating.
I dunno, it’s something about her whole last panel stance that just screams “ugh, this is not at all like my yuri manga”.
Once again, she is us.
(How often has this very comment section wished it were so, despite being shown it is not?)
How old is carla? Can she be R.A.?
You need to be a sophomore to be an RA, so the only eligible candidates are Ruth, Sarah, Carla and maybe Rachel.
This is too much like a lot of yuri manga I’ve read D:
I think my only exposure to yuri/yaoi Manga was Cardcaptor Sakura.
Fuck Cardcaptor Sakura.
I’m going to assume a disdain for the work, and not a literal statement.
I just wanted Tomoyo to get the girl okay?
Unhappy with the ending, gotcha.
Carla, stop channeling me, it’s uncomfortable.
Carla’s reaction in the final panel is absolutely justified.
Alt text has a point. Everyone says “I’m (the goddamn) Batman” all the time, so obviously Batman must be the one dude who says he’s not Batman.
It’s important which version they say. Batman could honestly say he’s not “the Goddamn Batman.” (Spotter’s guide: the Goddamn Batman is all in dark colours with a temprement to match, but the non-Goddamn Batman has some yellow and pale grey plumage too.)
The plumage don’t enter into it!
I’m the Goddamned Grey Fox!
Panel 3 is the real treasure today: Sal’s realisation that’s she’s in a perfect logical trap and that Billie will view anything she says as confirmation.
Additionally, it is interesting (and tells you a bit about Sal’s personality) that her view of Amazi-Girl balances primarily on her first direct, personal experience with her. It’s pretty clear that she rejects all other evidence as hearsay.
Well, it’s the truth. Amber has only ever been the paranoid violent masked vigilante to Sal.
Danny, Dina, Dorothy and Becky are right to think the world of her, but Sal is right too, because she’s at risk of being attacked by Amazi-Girl.
That, and I’m guessing when Sal sees Amazi-Girl push herself to ridiculous lengths to prove some kind of point, she’s reminded of that dumb kid who once took someone hostage with a knife.
Sal’s position is perfectly reasonable. Danny’s is not. After telling her “You take care of the bad guys and I’ll take care of you when you’re done,” and then doing a complete reversal without a long conversation before is a brutal emotional betrayal.
Wanting Amber to stop getting hit by cars is not unreasonable. It’s just, y’know, he finally realized this when Amber’s mental breakdown had progressed to the point where she sacrificed him instead of her alter.
It’s a betrayal only because Amber’s so devoted to her perception of Sal as a villain that she can’t help but think of it as such, but that’s not exactly a healthy thought process for Amber to be carrying, especially since she’s using it to further her reliance on Amazi-Girl.
Also he wanted to have a long conversation with her. It’s just, y’know, he had the bad luck to try it when Amber went PTSD over Sal, and was now in no position to actually listen to him.
When you have someone blatantly state they’re using a law as a pretext to attack you, to your face, it rather strongly colors the second or thirdhand (at best) news you’re getting for others, especially if you have any experience with how people can Telephone it up.
I love how Carla’s basically saying “Oh hell no you are not out of this conversation that easily!” when Billie tries to get into the whole AmaziGirl thing. Also, her “Seriously?!? What the fuck?!?” reaction to Billie’s admission about that being Ruth’s normal behavior.
y’know, Queer Lady Death Cult would be a pretty solid band name
I would attend every metal concert of theirs.
This is the arts we’re talking about; they’d just as likely be a folksy acapella group.
I don’t know, a band name like that kinda screams that it’s a punk/gothic influenced flavor of melodic deathcore band to me, which in turn suggests a very different concert flavor than what “metal concert” does.
My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult were industrial electronic goth metal thing sort of.
Also Southern Death Cult!
Those darn death cults, ruining everyone’s college experiences
Carla thinks Billie and Ruth are cute! … S-Silver lining?
Cometo think of it… we’ve never seen the Whiteboard Dingdong Bandit and Billie in the same room! Maybe she’s actually Amazi-girl’s most devious supervillain and we never knew!!!
Framing and gaslighting Joyce both?
Speachless panel 3 Sal is the best Sal.
tfw you’re the only sane person in the area and you’re beginning to feel like it’s not even worth it
Well, Carla, it’s actually both.
I mean, ngl Carla… those are often the same thing…
Poor Carla didn’t know what she was getting into.
Just so you know, guys, I’m not Batman.
Don’t worry Joe, I believe you.
But I’m not Batman. There can’t be two of us.
I’m also not Batman, and so isn’t my wife!
The strips have been on fire lately.
Damm, that’s some good!
Yea, it’s amazing what sleep deprivation dealing with newborn twins does for creative inspiration.
Carla’s last line is like how everyone who gets into Ruth/Billie eventually feels lol.
It’s weird that Carla is the only one here with decent priorities.
“I’m Brian and so’s my wife!”
And today I’m Grace. Okay, Grav Roulette, I’d been wondering why you’d stopped giving me background characters, so this isn’t entirely unexpected.
Grace has had zero character development. Not just character development in the sense of overcoming flaws and growing, but also character development in the sense of do we know who she is at all. She has had about four comics with speaking parts and about twice as many just loitering in the background. In an alt-text, Willis describes Grace and Mandy together as being Dumbing of Age’s Greek Chorus.
And…. that’s everything. That’s the ENTIRETY of our experience with her.
In Walkyverse she was part of the all-woman, sorority-porn-fantasy squad… dammit, I forget the squad number and I’m too lazy to go looking it up in the untagged depths of haven’t-gotten-there-just-yet-in-the-reposted-comics. She had an emotional couple of comics in the climax of Its Walky, which were a bit touching but IMO would have had more impact if we’d known her better prior to that. (Being vague to avoid spoilers.) And… that was about it. We didn’t get to know her well in that comic either.
I could actually get on board with being part of the Greek Chorus. That’s almost a bit like what we’re doing in the comments anyway, isn’t it? …. kinda? In an incoherent sort of way?
I’d definitely be second-fiddle in the Chorus to Cerebus’s lead, though. Probably further down around #8. That’s fine. But I’d demand more screen time for all of us, dammit. If there’s going to be a Greek Chorus, we need to hear from it a lot more.
Grace and Mandy seem to have a fun time in college. Hanging around, gossiping about super heroes, inspiring naughty thoughts in innocent little bible girls… Sure, some lovers spats now and then, but nothing an ex cheer leader AAAAAALPHA BOOOONGO!!!! can’t sort out.
I love Willis’s comment a while back that Grace and Mandy together felt like a fundamental fact of the universe, like that was as crucial to any world they are in as anything else. I think that’s really beautiful.
And huzzah for Reltzik finding a potential grav that fits. And hell ya to the great Background Character Strike of 2016. What do we want? Screen-time!
When do we want it? Anytime would be nice.
When the cast page has 18 characters and counting, it’s hard for all the background characters to get developed. I mean even in the Walkyverse, Grace and company didn’t much screen time. Now they’re competing with the mixing in of Shortpacked! cast into the original It’s Walky! cast.
On reflection, the comments section doesn’t make for a good Greek Chorus. We aren’t unified enough in our commentary to perform that role on stage, and aren’t nearly classical enough in our format. For this, I hereby deduct the letter ‘r’.
Ok, but then what is a Greek Chous?
Heh, ‘the geek chorus.’. I LIKE that.
Did Carla really just say “courtship”.
Your QC guest strip is possibly the best thing I’ve seen come out of PoGo so far.
i didnt know what a big deal wanting to die was to others until mom suddenly stopped disbelieving my depression and decided to get me a dog after i said “yes” when she asked if i wanted to kill myself
I wonder what it would take to make Sal’s brain explode?
Also, how the hell is it that no one has said anything about Sal possibly groping Billie’s boobs in panel 4?
And does Carla get an eyeful? Does she want to?
Considering how Sal swings, she’s probably just grabbing shirt in anger.
Like a pendulum do?
more of a grip than a grope … ouch!
Note to future archive bingers/bingerettes:
This is the guest strip Willis is talking about!
Welcome, future readers!
Have they invented time travel yet?
Answer hazy, try again later
The title of the guest strip is a little off, since Bellsprout is #69, not Clefairy…
Billie is a fucking idiot.
They all are. They’re college freshmen.
With time and experience, some will grow out of it. That is the process we are witnessing.
No but Billie is a special idiot.
The “how does she function” kind.
If DoA was a first person shooter video game, Carla would be the one that always made headshots. Always. With a pistol. From 500 meters away. No crosshairs on the screen.
She’s Just. That. Good.
Mike would be the teabagger.
no san diego comic-con, the sorries
Who should be R.A.?
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