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June 22, 2026

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by David M Willis on October 18, 2017 at 12:01 am
  • 01 - Face the Strange
└ Tags: becky, jacob, joyce

Discussion (289) ¬

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  1. CandidCanid
    CandidCanid
    October 18, 2017 at 12:01 am | #

    o3o go becky, go becky

    • CandidCanid
      CandidCanid
      October 18, 2017 at 12:02 am | #

      I mean the other half of me is like, no becky, no becky, that’s manipulative, it’s not your birthday

      • StClair
        StClair
        October 18, 2017 at 12:23 am | #

        I’m with that half.

      • klept0
        klept0
        October 18, 2017 at 1:35 am | #

        HAAAAAAHHHH XDDD I LOVE THE SONG

      • OnyxIdol
        OnyxIdol
        October 18, 2017 at 7:36 am | #

        Is that a Filthy Frank reference?

    • ǝ snow ʍousɐ
      ǝ snow ʍousɐ
      October 18, 2017 at 10:10 am | #

      I’m with this half! Mostly because we don’t like Raidah, though. It was definitely a complicated situation, so maybe it’s not fair to judge her for being mad at Sarah. …But she really was a bongo to Dina, too. So regardless of how mature she seems in interactions with Jacob, she’s immature and petty on the inside, and she definitely doesn’t deserve Jacob.

      For me, the intention justifies the means.

      Although, if she didn’t have a Plan B in case they had a different reaction besides running to each other’s defense (such as defending themselves, criticizing Becky, getting hurt, etc.), it might have been a bit short-sighted.

  2. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    October 18, 2017 at 12:01 am | #

    Becky means they GOT served

    Becky is doing God’sSarah’s work

    • Jay Eff
      Jay Eff
      October 18, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

      Oh, they GOT served, all right.

      By Becky.

      ‘Cause SHE’S the one serving.

      Lunch.

      • Pablo360
        Pablo360
        October 18, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

        Am I the only person who had forgotten she had that job until just now?

        • Jay Eff
          Jay Eff
          October 18, 2017 at 12:11 am | #

          I forgot, too

          • Abel Undercity
            Abel Undercity
            October 18, 2017 at 5:12 am | #

            FOOLS! NOBODY FORGETS GALASSO!

        • Passchendaele
          Passchendaele
          October 18, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

          Absolutely just you, mhm. <.<

        • Ryan
          Ryan
          October 18, 2017 at 12:46 am | #

          It’s fine as long as *she* doesn’t forget.

          • Yumi
            Yumi
            October 18, 2017 at 2:53 am | #

            I double checked your comment for a pun, just so you know.

            • Ryan
              Ryan
              October 18, 2017 at 4:18 pm | #

              If every one of my comments had a pun, it wouldn’t keep people guessing.

    • CandidCanid
      CandidCanid
      October 18, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

      Sarah is kind of a goddess, but like one of those secretive super vengeful goddesses that the modern world doesn’t know about but occasionally she haunts people.

      • Jamie
        Jamie
        October 18, 2017 at 12:48 am | #

        This is canon:
        http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/06-yesterday-was-thursday/oldtestament/

        • tofuman
          tofuman
          October 18, 2017 at 1:32 am | #

          I knew there was a reason I like Sarah.

        • Mortartarsaus
          Mortartarsaus
          October 20, 2017 at 5:16 am | #

          This isn’t canon; it’s gospel

    • MatthewTheLucky
      MatthewTheLucky
      October 18, 2017 at 12:09 am | #

      Old Testament God’s work!

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      October 18, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

      You know that Becky works at a pizza place because they just got TOPPED!

      …. and subs somewhere in there?

      • Pope William T Wodium
        Pope William T Wodium
        October 18, 2017 at 12:58 am | #

        Yeah, under the tops.

  3. AnvilPro
    AnvilPro
    October 18, 2017 at 12:02 am | #

    Becky’s either just being jealous about Joyce having friends again, or she’s way smarter than she looks

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      October 18, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

      The latter. She’s working for Sarah remember?

    • Roger Sterling
      Roger Sterling
      October 18, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

      idk about you, but she’s looking pretty smart right now.

      • Fart Captor
        Fart Captor
        October 18, 2017 at 12:25 am | #

        So if she’s even smarter than that, she’s really dang smart. (which she is)

      • Zby
        Zby
        October 18, 2017 at 3:08 am | #

        Of course she’s looking smart, she’s wearin’ her butchest duds! Suits and ties are wasted on the masculine after all.

        • DSL
          DSL
          October 18, 2017 at 2:41 pm | #

          This here masculine says you can have ’em.

  4. Trrebi981
    Trrebi981
    October 18, 2017 at 12:02 am | #

    Let the awkwardness commence!

  5. Nono
    Nono
    October 18, 2017 at 12:02 am | #

    Clever girl.

    • Tacos
      Tacos
      October 18, 2017 at 12:49 am | #

      This is one of the benefits of being Dina’s girlfriend.

  6. Owlmirror
    Owlmirror
    October 18, 2017 at 12:02 am | #

    Becky: Intuitive reverse psychologist

  7. Opus the Poet
    Opus the Poet
    October 18, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

    Bonkers is putting it mildly.

  8. Sugnez
    Sugnez
    October 18, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

    Damn that’s some skill on Becky’s end.

  9. tim gueguen
    tim gueguen
    October 18, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

    Jacob and Joyce, you poor, naïve kids.

    Becky had better hope Sarah doesn’t get wind of her scheming.

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      October 18, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

      Sarah put her up to it

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        October 18, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

        Exactly. Sarah might come out of this thinking that sending Becky on missions of manipulation is a good thing.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          October 18, 2017 at 6:19 am | #

          As far as I know, she’s never talked to Sarah about this. Could have been off screen or I could just have forgotten.

          I think she’s just backing up Joyce.

          Not that Sarah will object, of course.

        • Dean
          Dean
          October 18, 2017 at 7:23 pm | #

          Years from now, Secretary of State Sarah picks up her office phone. “You don’t need to worry about the Middle East situation, President Keener. I’ve sent my top negotiator to point out that there’s no reason that the two sides should get along.”

  10. takashid
    takashid
    October 18, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

    …becky you brilliant lady, have you and dina been reading psychology textbooks?

    • Pablo360
      Pablo360
      October 18, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

      More like ygolohcysp skoobtxet.

    • Ben
      Ben
      October 18, 2017 at 12:40 am | #

      Becky has spent her entire life learning how to push Joyce’s buttons. Like a textbook could teach her any more.

    • Carms
      Carms
      October 18, 2017 at 1:29 am | #

      Becky has also spent her entire life navigating Toedad. Abusive households can often produce kids who have HONED mindreading abilities

  11. Big D
    Big D
    October 18, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    Dang Becky, that’s some smooth work.

  12. Mr D
    Mr D
    October 18, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    Okay,seriously, are we missing panels here? Are we just seeing choice cuts of the conversation?

    • Pablo360
      Pablo360
      October 18, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

      Look, having to create a punchline every day is going to do weird things to micropacing and you kind of have to accept that.

      • PlainMarie
        PlainMarie
        October 18, 2017 at 6:07 am | #

        Yes, thank you. Sometimes there are mini time jumps.

    • Derek
      Derek
      October 18, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

      I also feel there’s dialogue missing

  13. Keulen
    Keulen
    October 18, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    Becky’s better at this than Sarah, I didn’t expect that.

    • MM
      MM
      October 18, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

      Becky’s better at this than Mike. That should be a good thing, and yet I find myself frightened somehow.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      October 18, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

      Becky’s been finding ways to manipulate Joyce for a lifetime, and Sarah’s been alternately being supportive, barely-tolerant, and dismissive of Joyce for two months. No contest.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        October 18, 2017 at 6:39 am | #

        Yeah, but she’s playing Jacob to and she’s known him like 5 minutes.

        • timemonkey
          timemonkey
          October 18, 2017 at 9:05 am | #

          Becky’s been manipulating everyone she’s met to some degree her entire life, making them react how she wants, making them see her how she wants.

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      October 18, 2017 at 12:51 am | #

      Sarah spends too much time being angry to be an effective manipulator.

  14. Pablo360
    Pablo360
    October 18, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    Yes, Joyce, that is exactly what Becky was trying to do, you’ve figured it out. And while we’re on the subject, Sal is genuinely aloof, Dorothy has her life together, and Joe has any idea what he’s talking about.

  15. Sam
    Sam
    October 18, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

    ….. hm.

  16. Kernanator
    Kernanator
    October 18, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

    …Sure, that was definitely her goal.

  17. Pigeon Pollyx
    Pigeon Pollyx
    October 18, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

    Like I want to enjoy this but I don’t like how this invasive behavior from Joyce, Becky and Sarah seems to be working out with Jacob. Maybe I’ve been hoping too much for a wake-up call of circumstances.

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      October 18, 2017 at 12:25 pm | #

      Yeah. Everything about this is just unpleasant. The wakeup call will certainly come…and it’s going to be worse when it does for being delayed, here.

  18. Marsh Maryrose
    Marsh Maryrose
    October 18, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

    Panel 4 is Becky dropping the mic. And neither Joyce nor Jacob have a clue that that is what just happened.

  19. Passchendaele
    Passchendaele
    October 18, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    …will becky be wearing that at work? I dunno why that’s all I’m thinking about, but Galasso *does* have some very oddball rules, so I’m wondering if Becky could actually do it. Not good if she wants that suit clean, though.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      October 18, 2017 at 2:28 am | #

      Will Galasso care, though? As long as “the lopsided orange one” shows up on time and and does his bidding (delivers orders to the correct tables), he’ll be happy.

      Dina could show up for Becky’s shift and he probably wouldn’t notice as long as she wore an orange undercut wig.

  20. Bagge
    Bagge
    October 18, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    Yes. Backfired.

    Yikes. A COMPETENT romantic busy-body is SCARY.

  21. Roger Sterling
    Roger Sterling
    October 18, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    Jesus they just got played harder than a slot machine at a Gamblers Anonymous meeting.

  22. Mr D
    Mr D
    October 18, 2017 at 12:09 am | #

    HELLO EVERYBODY! IT IS THE RETURN OF MY AWKWARD QUESTION TIME WOOO!

    Okay, so, this one is rather simple for one of my awkward questions:

    So, you recently discovered you are gay. However, before discovering this, you were attracted to the opposite gender and able to have intercourse and enjoy it.

    Where does this place you on the Sexuality spectrum?

    • Roger Sterling
      Roger Sterling
      October 18, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      My kneejerk response is bisexual.

      My “kneejerk banged it against the desk” response is “Kinsey Scale, an indeterminate region between ‘so strongly oriented that you have no insight into attractiveness of the non compatible gender whatsoever’ and ‘bisexual’.”

      • Leorale
        Leorale
        October 18, 2017 at 12:15 am | #

        (So, like, a 3, 4, or 5.)

        • Roger Sterling
          Roger Sterling
          October 18, 2017 at 12:17 am | #

          Yeah, that.

          Where-ever Kristen Stewart is, I’d wager.

          • 3-I
            3-I
            October 20, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

            I’m pretty sure she’s somewhere around an “I’m totally gay and had to pretend to date a dude to sell tickets” on that scale, though.

    • Derek
      Derek
      October 18, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

      Bisexuality or pansexuality are strong possibilities

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      October 18, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

      If that was me, I’d describe myself as bisexual/pansexual, or with fluid sexuality. ‘Questioning’ is also a legit title. You do you!

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        October 18, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

        Oh no, not me, as I said, this is one of my “Awkward questions”, I ask them to learn more of sexuality from you peeps, since you know more than me.

        Y’see, here’s the kicker: I just described Ethan from SP!. Before he discovered himself as Gay, he did find women attractive and had (And Enjoyed) intercourse with them. Example A) Connie. (in his own words [Paraphrasing]: “So I get a promotion AND I get to bang a hot babe?” *Beat panel* *Panel showing Ethan with a smug and pleased look in bed next to Connie*) B) Amber (but not so much)

        • Leorale
          Leorale
          October 18, 2017 at 12:31 am | #

          Oh, Ethan identifies as gay. He was able to get off with Connie that one time, but he is far more attracted to men, both sexually and romantically. You don’t have to be sex-repulsed by women to be gay.

          Even if Ethan found he was a 5.8 instead of a 6, it would be totally fine to round himself up to the most accurate identity.

        • Inahc
          Inahc
          October 18, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

          wait what.

          …. oh. that happened. http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=276

    • Ivy
      Ivy
      October 18, 2017 at 12:17 am | #

      Don’t worry about it too much man, just do what (who) you want!

    • StClair
      StClair
      October 18, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

      “Is there even a word for that?”

    • spriteless
      spriteless
      October 18, 2017 at 12:19 am | #

      Idunno. If you still like the opposite gender, you are more bisexual than gay. If not, or if you are not attracted enough to pursue opposite gender any more, you are gay. OR… whatever label you want. It is your label to decide. Being self aware of your sexuality means not having to let peer pressure determine who you sex. Not even the glbtiqqa club.

    • David M Willis
      David M Willis
      October 18, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

      maybe you ARE the sexuality spectrum

      • Pablo360
        Pablo360
        October 18, 2017 at 12:26 am | #

        The real sexuality spectrum was the friends we lusted after along the way

        • Leorale
          Leorale
          October 18, 2017 at 12:34 am | #

          The magic and the sex toys were inside us, all along

        • Fart Captor
          Fart Captor
          October 18, 2017 at 12:55 am | #

          I wonder what sort of prism you’d need to split the sexuality spectrum into its component wavelengths

          Also if it can be focused into some sort of deadly laser

          • adjudicus
            adjudicus
            October 18, 2017 at 4:13 am | #

            Or whether you can use the sexuality spectrum to power weapons(rings, preferably) to become a space cop?

            • Mephron
              Mephron
              October 18, 2017 at 7:03 am | #

              In brightest day, in darkest night
              No homophobia will escape my sight
              Let those who worship prejudice’s might
              Beware the power of the Pan Lantern’s might!

              …needs some work.

              • adjudicus
                adjudicus
                October 18, 2017 at 7:23 am | #

                In darkest day, in brightest night,
                Beware the TERFs made into light,
                Let those who deny queer people’s rights
                Burn like my power, Bisexual’s might!

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        October 18, 2017 at 12:54 am | #

        OH WILLIS I BESEECH YOU:
        Did SP!Connie actually do a horse or was she just messing with Ethan?

    • Irredentist
      Irredentist
      October 18, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

      But like, did you stop being attracted to other genders?

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        October 18, 2017 at 12:25 am | #

        I-
        Did people miss this is one of my “Awkward questions”? I do this whenever I get a doubt about sexuality that goes beyond a simple google question. Not about me, it’s simple curiosity.

        • Irredentist
          Irredentist
          October 18, 2017 at 1:07 am | #

          I know, I’m using “you” because you phrased the question using “you”

        • bleepbloop
          bleepbloop
          October 18, 2017 at 2:36 am | #

          Dude, not everyone’s seen/knows of your “awkward questions” segment. With the way you phrased the question, it’s perfectly natural for people to assume you’re talking about yourself. And irredentist’s response was a perfectly valid follow up question regardless of whether it applies to you, anyone in general, or a comic character. No need to keep being so snippy about it, y’know?

    • CandidCanid
      CandidCanid
      October 18, 2017 at 12:24 am | #

      You have discovered that you are attracted to the same sex, in addition to the opposite sex. I guess that makes two, although the nuances such as how attracted you are to the different characteristics of either one are going to sometimes vary, and may unevenly affect how you choose a partner.

      For instance, I’m easily attracted to men, and this became much more apparent to me many years before I found I could probably go all the way with a girl. Strictly speaking, I am bisexual, but practically speaking I am homosexual. This is what the Kinsey scale is for, of course; although I think it fails to cover everything involved in pointing your compass sexual orientation wise.

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        October 18, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

        /facepalm

        • CandidCanid
          CandidCanid
          October 18, 2017 at 12:33 am | #

          …I swear on my life I didn’t mean you, Mr D. I mean anybody, like people in general. x(

          • Mr D
            Mr D
            October 18, 2017 at 12:44 am | #

            Hm, Maybe I shouldn’t have phrased it in second person.
            Sure, it is useful for hypothetical scenarios but if somebody responds in the same tone it becomes confusing.

            • SgtWadeyWilson
              SgtWadeyWilson
              October 18, 2017 at 1:34 pm | #

              I prefer “one” for hypothetical questions.

              As in:
              “If one were to eat all the ice cream, what would happen?”

              “One would probably get sick and in trouble, in that order, why do you ask?”

              “The ice cream’s gone and my sister just threw up.”

    • Alan
      Alan
      October 18, 2017 at 12:34 am | #

      Bi/pan/polysexual are definitely possibilities, but it’s also worth noting that heteronormativity can make gay people assume that they’re experiencing het attraction when actually they have friendly feelings for that person. Some signs of that being the case, as opposed to a multisexual orientation, would be: only being attracted to people of the “opposite*” gender after they first express an interest,** choosing people to be attracted to, or getting into m/f relationships because you feel like it’s expected of you rather than because it’s something you want. I guess generally, I would say that if it’s “I feel gay now but I used to like girls/guys so I must have been straight?” then it’s probably heteronormativity at work, but if it’s “I realized I like my gender as well” then that would point towards a bi/pan/queer orientation. As a final note, keep in mind that it’s totally legit to be bi and more/less attracted to one gender than others — for instance, I tend to be into girls more often, but I still like guys and nonaligned nb people. I hope this was helpful and not just super long and over the top, lmao >.<
      *my nb trans ass is uncomfortable with this wording but I can't think of a better way to phrase it
      **this can also be an aspec thing but I don't want to get too off topic

      • Yumi
        Yumi
        October 18, 2017 at 12:44 am | #

        As another NB person, I also try to steer away from “opposite gender” and the like. When I think about it, it just creates a really weird setup in my opinion, even before you get to the whole “reinforcing the gender binary” thing. I’m in the same boat with not being sure what to replace it with in situations like this, though.

        • Yumi
          Yumi
          October 18, 2017 at 12:48 am | #

          Also, and this is only tangentially related but whatever, one time I was in a queer group and discussing how I’m generally not attracted to people of my own specific NB identity, and someone else in the group was like, “So…would that make you straight?”

          • Mr D
            Mr D
            October 18, 2017 at 12:53 am | #

            That’s an interesting concept. I mean, Technically homosexuality is defined as being romantically atracted to your own gender, right?

            • Yumi
              Yumi
              October 18, 2017 at 1:02 am | #

              Well, bisexuality can be defined as attraction to “similar and other genders” (though I see “same and others” more), so I think if you were trying to be technical and boxy about it, a label that allows for multiple gender attraction like bisexual would probably be more apt. I go with queer, personally.

              But it is kind of interesting in general. There’s a character on a show I watch who’s AFAB and NB, and based on what they’ve said so far, they’re only attracted to men. Now, I imagine them defining themself as queer, but that could be my bias. Because of the use of gay as an umbrella term, I could also see them using it kind of casually, but probably not as an identifier. Basically, concepts like gay and straight seem very confusing to me when you’re outside of the gender binary.

              • Yumi
                Yumi
                October 18, 2017 at 1:07 am | #

                Oh, and there are people who identify as NB and gay/lesbian, I just don’t see it for this character. I don’t know any NB people who identify as straight, but I suppose that’s possible as well.

                • Gwen
                  Gwen
                  October 18, 2017 at 3:55 pm | #

                  I often use “queer folks” or “queer people” because it sounds subtly friendlier, and clarifies for the speaker what the intention of the word is. I am queer myself, but that’s not always readily apparent in every single conversation I ever have.

              • Mr D
                Mr D
                October 18, 2017 at 1:42 am | #

                Yeah, I’m pretty boxy about stuff, I got a condition, everything has to be into neat little labeled boxes or I get confused. Thing is, Gender/sexuality issues are a big thing, its a spectrum, I can’t just put it into boxes, so I dunno how to act in regards to the whole thing. That is one of the reasons I tend to ask my big “AWKWARD QUESTIONS” and make sure people understand I’m not trying to do “Mocking Rhetorical Questions” but honest (if awkward) curiosity-driven questions.

                On the same page, I have a hard tiem internalizing all the different terms because, honestly, I don’t know anyone IRL who cares about or is NB or even LBGT (Comes wiht living in a small town instead of a cosmopolitan city). I do my best to be accepting and stuff but I don’t know anyone like that so I know I’m gonna stuff my foot in my mouth at first contact.

                Also I am currently not using the word “Queer” because an LGBT person recently told me it is currently “reclaimed” because a “Radicalized Feminist Group” who “Don’t believe in the existance of Trans People” is currently using the word in an insulting way.

                • Yumi
                  Yumi
                  October 18, 2017 at 1:54 am | #

                  I’m not sure I understand the last paragraph, but generally speaking there’s some push by TERFs against the word queer because it is inclusive of many and marginalized identities. I understand if you as a cishet person don’t feel comfortable using queer to describe multiple people or as a group label. I do think that’s fair. But just know that queer is not a bad word, and if you were referring to me specifically, and talking in reference to how I experience attraction, “queer” is the word I would want you to use and in fact the only one I would fund acceptable.

                • Mr D
                  Mr D
                  October 18, 2017 at 9:36 am | #

                  oh no, my problem was the opposite I think: I was suing “Queer” as a catch-all term for the whole LGBT spectrum because I still haven’t found a word for that, and an LGBT friend of mine told me that as a Cishet I shouldn’t use that word for a while because of the TERFs and I could be confused with a toxic person.

                • Yumi
                  Yumi
                  October 18, 2017 at 9:58 am | #

                  I wasn’t talking so much about what your problem was so much as what your problem is– that is, what you replaced it with. And TERFs, again, largely push for the “queer is a slur and should not be used,” so… people might not like you using it, but because they’d think you’re a TERF or something, you know? That said, I think LGBTQ+ works well enough as an umbrella term. I like queer, but some people specifically don’t identify with the term, so that doesn’t really work.

    • Jason
      Jason
      October 18, 2017 at 12:36 am | #

      Sexuality for some people is partly about identity and so that scenario might still be “gay”.
      For myself, I would say homoflexible. I’m sort of the reverse, in that I’m into ladies and actively turned off by masculine traits in men, but there ARE men who occasionally catch my eye.
      And romantic interest is another thing entirely, for some. (I’m panromantic- what matters is the connection, not the gender or initial sexual attraction.)

      As for your examples with SP!Ethan- I don’t know that he was ever attracted to women so much as he wasn’t actively turned off by them, and I feel like for him it was more about closeness and that was what got him going. So I feel like it was never about the fact that his partner was female.

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      October 18, 2017 at 12:39 am | #

      I find it interesting that so many people are going with “bisexual” for the label. I guess it could be an answer to what the question is meant to ask? Like, if it said “you recently discovered you were attracted to the same gender…,” then I’d feel the same–bisexual, pansexual, middle sexuality, what have you. But, if you recently discovered that you’re gay…then you’re gay, you know? So in that way the question is kind of confusing, but if what’s said is what’s meant, then that’s what I’d go with.

      As for previous experiences… heteronormativity, man. And I feel like there’s another word specific to sort of feeling (often unconsciously) pressured into hetero stuff, including feeling you have crushes or other romantic feelings and the like. As for enjoying the sex…sex is meant to be enjoyable, you know? It can feel good even with out sexual attraction. I think some people who realize they’re gay later in life have some awareness around repressing something, and some just take feelings they may have for people of another gender and go “Okay, this is what attraction feels like.”

      If we’re talking Kinsey scale, I think it’s completely possibly for the person you described to be a 6. It just depends on the person and how they define themselves. (Oh, and of course some people experience their orientation as fluid.)

      • Yumi
        Yumi
        October 18, 2017 at 1:14 am | #

        Compulsory heterosexuality was the term I was blanking on.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      October 18, 2017 at 1:11 am | #

      Most likely somewhere on the multi sexual spectrum (i.e. a sexuality that involves attraction to multiple genders). It would also be appropriate to call yourself Questioning, as you’re uncertain.

      This could also be an example of coercive heteronormativity, where you feel obligated to be attracted to your ‘opposite’ binary sex.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        October 18, 2017 at 1:14 am | #

        https://pride-flags.deviantart.com/gallery/

        This has a lot of good information, definition and labels wise, if you wanna browse. Also, pretty flags!

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      October 18, 2017 at 1:21 am | #

      Oh hey if we’re doing random awkward questions….

      My cis-het boyfriend has some covert transphobic feels. He would never, ever be a jerk about it, nor would he ever act against human rights… but secretly he wouldn’t date any transwoman, even if she chose to have surgeries.

      I’m a cis-woman, but I don’t like that I’m dating somebody who would only date a cis-woman. And he likes self-improving, because we can always become less phobic humans, and because ghost-penis is not an actual thing.

      Does anyone have any resources to help him get transphobic cobwebs out of his head? He already has openly trans* and NB friends, but we doubt they’d like to know about his hangup.

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        October 18, 2017 at 1:51 am | #

        Oh, now this is more awkwards than what I asked, thus I have Awkward answers from someone who isn’t properly educated.

        On one hand, I understand what you say, like, you shouldn’t differentiate a cis-woman and a trans-woman.

        on the other hand, I see “Try to get someone to feel attracted to an identity they aren’t attracted to” and I think “Isn’t that one of the things that is bad?”

        So my final veredict:I’m confused and I don’t get this. Need less contradictory info.

        • Yumi
          Yumi
          October 18, 2017 at 2:03 am | #

          The issue, I think, is that not being attracted to a woman on the basis of her being trans is rooted in transphobia. You don’t have to be attracted to anyone, but it’s beneficial to look at why you’re not attracted to generalized groups of people of the gender(s) you’re attracted to. It’s not like Leorale is trying to get her partner to date a trans woman, but to address these deeply internalized ideas that may exist around gender, sex, and identity.

          • Leorale
            Leorale
            October 18, 2017 at 2:45 am | #

            Yes, that. The point isn’t to make him date people who aren’t me, the point is trying to reduce transphobia.

      • Stella
        Stella
        October 18, 2017 at 2:05 am | #

        I would say, let your bf manage his own sexuality in his own time.

        As a pretty-much-entirely asexual person myself, I know I wouldn’t want to have sex with a transwoman *or* a ciswoman *or* men or NB people or whomever. It’s an entirely physical, visceral orientation that has nothing to do with choices or beliefs. Like, if I could choose to be attracted to somebody I would, you know?

        Some people are just attracted to men (straight ladies and gay men). Some are just attracted to women (straight men and lesbian women). Some are attracted to several varieties but not all, some are attracted to all types, and some to only one person ever in their entire life.

        Your boyfriend isn’t transphobic for not wanting to have sex with a bodily category of person, any more than I’m misanthropic for not wanting to have sex with anyone. Lesbians aren’t man-haters, gay men aren’t misogynists, and so on. Who you want to touch your body is deeply personal and can’t be dictated by anyone else, nor can it often be something one chooses or changes–not even when the other person checks all the right boxes on paper.

        So, by all means, call him out if he says transphobic things, and encourage him to read things written by transgender writers. Just do it knowing that the person who gets to decide who your boyfriend experiences sex with is your boyfriend (and his sex partner, ofc). His body belongs to himself alone.

        • Leorale
          Leorale
          October 18, 2017 at 2:48 am | #

          Thank you.

    • Jack Spade
      Jack Spade
      October 18, 2017 at 2:55 am | #

      Actually, while generally the Kinsey Scale is a effect measure for ones sexuality , there are many places in which it fall short. One of these is the change in sexual orientation over time. While you aren’t likely to go from a 0 to a 6 it is possible to change by one or two on the scale. Many other measures of sexuality have been built with this in mind and include sections for current and past sexual orientation.

      Let me follow the above information with this; I acquired all this information from doing a research paper in school. I have no personal experience with this and if your personal experience dissageees with this information then I defer to that as first hand accounts generally trump Wikipedia.

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      October 18, 2017 at 9:03 am | #

      Sex, when done properly is an enjoyable experience. If you’ve never had truly fulfilling sex before it’s possible to think that what you’re having is the same thing everyone else is and assume you’re satisfied.

      That’s the situation SP!Ethan was in, he’d had sex with women, he thought it was satisfying but not that big a deal, right up until he got a taste of action with a guy and things were given perspective at which point he realised what being actually into your partner felt like. Ethan himself states that all the times he’s been with women in the past were mistakes.

  23. Lapin
    Lapin
    October 18, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

    I…honestly believe they would genuinely be a good couple, who would challenge one another, while still being respectful of boundaries and one anothers’ traditions. And if not a couple, they’ll at least be good friends because they can, again, /challenge/ one another.

    • Nono
      Nono
      October 18, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      It’s not for Becky or Sarah to decide. It’s Jacob’s and trying to break up a hippyish relationship isn’t cool.

      • Irredentist
        Irredentist
        October 18, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

        Yeah, but where’s the fun in playing fair.

        • boop
          boop
          October 18, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

          i really hope you are being sarcastic

      • Marsh Maryrose
        Marsh Maryrose
        October 18, 2017 at 12:56 am | #

        It absolutely is for Jacob and Raidah to mutually and individually decide if they want to be in a relationship. And, as you say, it is not for Becky or Sarah to decide whether or not Jacob and Raidah should be in a relationship.

        But neither is it their responsibility to encourage Jacob to remain in a relationship with Raidah. What’s between him and Raidah is between him and Raidah, and it is not anyone else’s job to police that private relationship.

        If it turns out, in the end, that their relationship can be broken up, isn’t it better off for both of them that they find out now, during the dating stage?

        • Fart Captor
          Fart Captor
          October 18, 2017 at 1:16 am | #

          If a relationship can be broken up (or even if it is unlikely to last in the long term), that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better that the relationship end early rather than running its course on its own. Even if Jacob leaves Raidah for Joyce, there’s no guarantee that he’ll be better off.

          Like, what they’re doing so far isn’t terrible. It’s basically just pushing Joyce and Jacob together in a way where it might happen naturally.

          If they were being more aggressive about it, it would be kinda shitty of them. Especially since it’s possible for everyone to lose if it goes bad. Especially if Jacob ever learns about their plans, or that Sarah wanted to break them up just to hurt Raidah. Then everyone would end up sad and nobody would be smooching anyone.

          • Marsh Maryrose
            Marsh Maryrose
            October 18, 2017 at 2:45 am | #

            I think I entirely agree with you, and maybe the abstract part of my brain was getting too much control of me?

            My parents celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary, but also my mom told me the story of how she was ditched by a beau she thought she was going to marry; and painful as that must have been for her, five years after that she literally married the love of her life.

            I do think it is shitty of Sarah to want to break up Jacob and Raidah just because of her animus toward Raidah, without caring what’s best for Jacob; and I do think it is at best misguided and at worst shitty of Joyce to want to abet that breakup solely on account of her loyalty toward Sarah (as far as she is consciously aware).

            And if you-know-who hasn’t already written your last paragraph into being because the drama and because he has to live up to his moniker, he’s probably going, “hmm…” right now.

        • the final pam
          the final pam
          October 18, 2017 at 2:39 am | #

          Any relationship can be broken up if there are outside forces trying to sabotage it. No relationship has the guarantee of lasting forever. However, that’s still not okay for someone outside the relationship to decide when it’s run its course, especially in this case where it’s clearly not that they have Jacob’s best interests at heart but rather their own desires.

          • Nono
            Nono
            October 18, 2017 at 3:47 am | #

            The ONE caveat I’ll make is when there’s domestic abuse involved. Even if someone is truly, utterly unhappy in the relationship otherwise, the best thing you can do is to encourage them to end it.

  24. FriendlyNeighborhoodDave
    FriendlyNeighborhoodDave
    October 18, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

    Welp, one the one hand, I don’t want Jacob to break up with Raidah, because that would be horrible, but on the other hand I really like Joyce and Jacob’s chemistry and kinda ship them. So I guess what I’m trying to say is Damn You, Willis!

    Also, clever Becky, casually steering that ship with neither one noticing…

    • Roger Sterling
      Roger Sterling
      October 18, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

      Do you not want Jacob to break up with Raidah on principle? (A fair position, one I favor) Or because you genuinely like her character? Because hitherto she’s been nothing less than an incorrigible shitheel.

      • Leorale
        Leorale
        October 18, 2017 at 12:19 am | #

        I agree she condescended to Dina, and overdoes her hatred of Sarah, but with Jacob, I like her self-confidence, good communication, and lack of jealousy.

        • Roger Sterling
          Roger Sterling
          October 18, 2017 at 12:35 am | #

          She’s got some virtues, I’ll concede that. Doesn’t change the fact the only reason she’s not as bad as Mary is she takes off the edge with materialism and (probably) a fair bit of ganja.

          • Fart Captor
            Fart Captor
            October 18, 2017 at 12:52 am | #

            There’s also that Raidah isn’t a bigot who bullies or (intentionally) insults people for minor annoyances. Her treatment of Sarah was awful, but so was Sarah’s treatment of her, and while Sarah is still seeking Revenge, Raidah seems to have called a truce (even despite being punched in the face), and now seems to just avoid Sarah.

            Like, I’m not terribly fond of her, but I have to respect her for that.

            Though the reason I don’t like the idea of people actively hoping to break her and Jacob up is that Jacob seems to be very happy with their relationship. In particular, I think what bugs me is how it doesn’t even seem to be a concern for any of them.

            Like, if they were at least seem to have some misgivings about trying to break up a happy relationship, it might not bug me, even if they still went ahead with it

            • Carms
              Carms
              October 18, 2017 at 1:38 am | #

              No Raidah started that poor treatment. I went and did a reread recently and had totally forgotten how abjectly AWFUL Raidah is to Sarah. seeks her out to trash her thoroughly, really really nasty stuff- at that point the worst Sarah had done was call parents on a roommate spiralling into depression and serious substance abuse, visible to no-one else.

              I think that ‘truce’ was the RESULT of getting punched- tormenting Sarah was no longer low-cost. She can no longer expect Sarah to just take it. That’s not to excuse the assault, Sarah really shoulda kept a lid on her shit, even when she had been keeping that lid on for MONTHS of abuse, and blew that lid ONLY when someone else started copping that shit too.
              but they aren’t reely comparable in awfulness

        • Jason
          Jason
          October 18, 2017 at 12:44 am | #

          Oh yeah, so far we have NOT seen her full character by a long shot. We’ve seen her primarily through the lens of Sarah- and remember that Raidah actively believes that Sarah screwed over their mutual friend because she just couldn’t be bothered with her grieving for her mother. Raidah can’t see the shades of grey in the situation, which is hardly surprising and doesn’t make her a bad person. Does it excuse the bullying? Hell no- although it’s also unclear how much of that is active, and how much passive- but it DOES explain it.

          As for Dina, yeah, she was clumsy about perceived mental health. That’s not a new trait in the world. She did come across as well-meaning in her idiocy though, not malicious, so she likely was reacting to Dina as she had been taught to- which is actually probably a common reaction.

          So yeah, I’m still waiting to see more of who Raidah actually is, because I highly doubt her character is “shitheel”. Quite apart from anything else, Willis’ history of character writing suggests that she’s far more complex than that.

          • Roger Sterling
            Roger Sterling
            October 18, 2017 at 12:47 am | #

            Your thought process interests me. I appreciate your patience with her.

            What makes you think she won’t end up being another Mary (a static foil to a developing character, Mary:Joyce::Raidah:Sarah)?

            • Roger Sterling
              Roger Sterling
              October 18, 2017 at 12:50 am | #

              Oh shit, I take that back. For some reason I completely missed the part about her grief over her parent dying. That muddles the waters quite a bit.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                October 18, 2017 at 7:54 am | #

                Unless I also missed something that wasn’t “Raidah’s parent dying”, but “Raidah thinking Sarah couldn’t be bothered with Dana grieving over her mother dying”.

                • Jason
                  Jason
                  October 18, 2017 at 9:16 pm | #

                  That was what I meant, yeah. Apologies if that was unclear.

            • the final pam
              the final pam
              October 18, 2017 at 2:41 am | #

              She’s not an openly hateful bigot?

              • Roger Sterling
                Roger Sterling
                October 18, 2017 at 3:05 am | #

                She’s certainly hateful. The question is whether the operative word there is “bigot” or “openly”.

      • FriendlyNeighborhoodDave
        FriendlyNeighborhoodDave
        October 18, 2017 at 4:05 pm | #

        It’s a little bit of both. While there are definitely aspects of her I don’t like (her unwillingness to hear Sarah’s side of the Dana incident, and condescension to Dina being the big ones), I don’t think she’s necessarily a bad person, just an immature one. What we’ve seen of her relationship with Jacob has struck me as healthy (admittedly, I have no personal experience with romantic relationships, so am going off what I’ve observed of others), and as much as I really like Joyce and Jacob’s chemistry, I think it would be a dick move for Jacob to just dump Raidah in favor of Joyce.

        • Jason
          Jason
          October 19, 2017 at 8:56 pm | #

          Past page so probably nobody will see this, but I disagree. A person being in a relationship isn’t a commitment to “forever no matter what”. (Thankfully) marriage isn’t even that commitment now. If he realises after only a few weeks that he would be happier with someone else, breaking the existing relationship isn’t a dick move at all. And at this point, without a bond built over extended time, if he met someone else he would prefer to be with he would likely compare Raidah to her, which is unfair on them both.

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      October 18, 2017 at 1:13 am | #

      Why? She has some admirable traits; but she also has some contemptible traits. (Not irredeemable ones. It’s called “Dumbing of Age” for a reason.)

      I am in particular thinking of her condescension towards Dina, which is (as far as we know) something that only Dina and Sarah have witnessed. If and (quite possibly) when Jacob ever hears Dina’s side of the story, that’s going to give him pause. And maybe Jacob finds out more about the Dana issue than what he has heard from Raidah? That’s going to give him pause too.

      tl:dr: a dating relationship is not in any way, shape, or form equivalent to marriage. There are non-married relationships that are equivalent to marriage, but for now Jacob and Raidah are not in one of those.

    • Jack Spade
      Jack Spade
      October 18, 2017 at 10:10 am | #

      My opinion is A little complicated on this one. If Sarah was trying to break up Jacob and Raidah so she could get Jacob, then I’d probably side that Sarah is in the wrong. However, I’m pretty sure by now that Sarah has realized that Jacob isn’t looking for casual sex, which is what Sarah wants.
      Instead, what Sarah is trying to do is get Raidah dumped. It isn’t that she wants Jacob for herself, she just doesn’t believe Raidah deserves him. And looking at things from her perspective it’s kinda easy to see why. Sarah has been kicked around by Raidah and her other friends because she blew the whistle and Dana’s alomost suicidal drug use. And I can say from personal experience that being ostracized by your peers is really painful, especially if you’re in the right.
      So in closure, since Sarah is trying to keep Raidah from getting something she feels Raidah doesn’t deserve, I’m going with Sarah is justified in this.

      Becky, as far as I can tell, is trying to get Joyce with Jacob because their a good match, which is morally questionable as I don’t believe she knows Sarah and Raidah’s history. She isn’t doing this to correct any sort of injustice in the world, she’s doing it cause her gurl would totes be better for him, and that’s just wrong.
      (Wrong morally, from a bystanders point of view I totally agree but still, you shouldn’t try to ruin a happy relationship for personal happiness)

      • the final pam
        the final pam
        October 18, 2017 at 12:17 pm | #

        The thing is- Jacob isn’t an object. It’d be one thing if Sarah was trying to keep Raidah from getting a new pair of shoes or a jacket. After all, those are material objects, and they’re not going to be affected one way or another. Jacob is a person, with thoughts and feelings and more importantly, agency. Treating him as some sort of “prize” or “toy” to take away from Raidah is wrong, no matter how Raidah treated Sarah.

        Sarah is justified in thinking Raidah does not deserve Jacob.
        Sarah is not justified in trying to ruin Raidah’s relationship with Jacob.

  25. abacuswizard
    abacuswizard
    October 18, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

    Oh wow. Becky is a social engineering GENIUS. Well played.

  26. MissFortune
    MissFortune
    October 18, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

    Becky is a goddess of guile, and it always seems to work so handily (as seen here, or with hijacking Robin’s phone). I love it, but it makes me appreciate even more that her relationship with Dina has been requiring her to be more upfront about her intentions.

  27. Irredentist
    Irredentist
    October 18, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

    I’m sorry that I ever doubted you Becky! I thought you were just being a jerk, but that plan was pulled off flawlessly! That was Mike levels of manipulation, truly impressive.

    • Pablo360
      Pablo360
      October 18, 2017 at 12:15 am | #

      There’s no need to be rude.

      • Fart Captor
        Fart Captor
        October 18, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

        Seriously. Unlike Mike, she actually brought about the results she intended

        • Kamino Neko
          Kamino Neko
          October 18, 2017 at 12:29 pm | #

          Mike brings about the results he intends, too. He doesn’t bring about the results people assume he intends.

  28. Steve C
    Steve C
    October 18, 2017 at 12:15 am | #

    I don’t know if everyone except Joyce and Jacob are doing the right thing for the wrong reasons or the wrong thing for the right reasons–either way I don’t like it.

    • Pigeon Pollyx
      Pigeon Pollyx
      October 18, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

      Joyce isn’t all that innocent here either-remember, she’s also here to try and break up Jacob and Raidah.

  29. Ivy
    Ivy
    October 18, 2017 at 12:15 am | #

    Good! Job! BECKY!!!

  30. Saaaam
    Saaaam
    October 18, 2017 at 12:16 am | #

    Becky, you don’t have to emotionally manipulate people like that.

    • m-m
      m-m
      October 18, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

      Your gravitar makes that comment perfect!

    • Falcon
      Falcon
      October 18, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

      Frankly, I’d much rather be played for my own benefit by Becky and learn it than remain without first-hand experience when a less benevolent manipulator comes along.

  31. Pidgey
    Pidgey
    October 18, 2017 at 12:17 am | #

    I had a good chuckle at this

  32. Briny
    Briny
    October 18, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

    On behalf of those who called it: CALLED IT.

    “Innocuous”, my aunt Fanny.

  33. Mr. Random
    Mr. Random
    October 18, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

    So why WAS she trying to get them together?
    Is Sarah behind it, or does Becky have her own agenda?

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      October 18, 2017 at 12:23 am | #

      Bit of column A, all of column B.

      • Anon
        Anon
        October 18, 2017 at 12:58 am | #

        Becky wants Joyce to be happy.

    • Loki
      Loki
      October 18, 2017 at 1:01 am | #

      My wild guess completely unsupported by canon is, it is a coping technique with being rejected by Joyce. In the way of “if I pair her off with somebody else, my feelings and my hurt for her will certainly go away. I just want her to be happy. This definitely works. It works, right? …right?”

  34. jjX
    jjX
    October 18, 2017 at 12:22 am | #

    See, when I try this manipulative stuff, I get two swift punches to the head.

    The other head.

    What, is my smile not smug enough or something?

    • Pablo360
      Pablo360
      October 18, 2017 at 12:27 am | #

      You just need to hang around less violent people honestly

      • APersonAmI
        APersonAmI
        October 18, 2017 at 1:36 am | #

        Yeah, I second that. As a general rule of mine, if somone punches you twice, they are not your friend.

        (This is, actually, a literal rule of mine. When I was young, I had trouble telling “friendly riffing” and playful roughhousing from actual ridicule or violence. As a response, I would often do nothing at the first infraction, but strike back swiftly at the second.)

        • APersonAmI
          APersonAmI
          October 18, 2017 at 1:39 am | #

          Damn, I meant to have qoutes around “playful roughhousing” as well. Not for the first time, I lament the dificit of an edit button.

          • Pablo360
            Pablo360
            October 18, 2017 at 8:51 am | #

            *deficit. “dificit” looks like you’re misspelling “difficult”.

  35. Larkle
    Larkle
    October 18, 2017 at 12:23 am | #

    This will be a fun story to tell at their wedding.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      October 18, 2017 at 12:24 am | #

      Please. Given how long Becky’s known Joyce, this is going to be, like barely in the top 50 for maid-of-honor anecdotes.

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        October 18, 2017 at 12:58 am | #

        “..and do you know, Joyce doesn’t eat stuff that eat other stuff.”
        “KNOCK IT OFF! You have told the same joke for 25 years!!!”
        “So, then you are OK with things touching at the wedding buffé?”
        “…that means bad luck on weddings.”
        “Whatever. HEY, YOU IN THE BACK, DID YOU KNOW THAT I AM A LESBIAN????”

        • Roborat
          Roborat
          October 18, 2017 at 3:17 pm | #

          Voice from the back: “BECKY, BY THIS POINT, BEINGS IN OTHER GALAXIES ARE AWARE THAT YOU ARE A LESBIAN!!!!”

  36. Indiana Bones
    Indiana Bones
    October 18, 2017 at 12:26 am | #

    Damn Becky, you do some solid work

  37. Synnerman
    Synnerman
    October 18, 2017 at 12:30 am | #

    Damn Becky… I’m… I’m impressed! YAY!!!

  38. Haven
    Haven
    October 18, 2017 at 12:31 am | #

    All according to Beckaku.

    • Griffin Raynor
      Griffin Raynor
      October 18, 2017 at 2:12 pm | #

      +1

    • Roborat
      Roborat
      October 18, 2017 at 3:18 pm | #

      As long as it isn’t bukkake.

  39. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    October 18, 2017 at 12:40 am | #

    One one hand, I get what Becky was doing was probably to push them together. That’s certainly a grey at best area, which I say even not liking Raidah.

    On the other hand, it also had the benefit of getting them past their disrespect towards each other’s religious beliefs, which is basically a good thing period.

  40. Tacos
    Tacos
    October 18, 2017 at 12:48 am | #

    Impressive Becky.

  41. ADLegend21
    ADLegend21
    October 18, 2017 at 12:48 am | #

    As Dina would probably say “Clever girl…” Atta girl Becks!

  42. OnyxIdol
    OnyxIdol
    October 18, 2017 at 12:50 am | #

    Spaghetti Monster have mercy on our souls, should Becky ever fall to the dark side.

  43. Jason
    Jason
    October 18, 2017 at 12:51 am | #

    I really like Joyce and Jacob together, and Jacob gave the impression that he’s with Raidah more because she’s the kind of woman he wants to be with than because she’s the woman he wants to be with. (Couple pages back, and his comments on Joyce dating Ethan.) Abd if they broke up I feel like Jacob and Raidah might both be mature enough to handle it fine.

    However, one thing that might be a sliiiight issue is if he falls for Joyce, and then finds out she was trying to break up him and Raidah. I’m guessing her innocence is appealing to him- she’s not trying to seduce him or tempt him, she actually thinks she’s trying to get him with Sarah. So finding that out, I’m guessing, would hugely hurt Jacob if he developed real and long lasting feelings for Joyce.

    • Loki
      Loki
      October 18, 2017 at 1:07 am | #

      Honestly, I read this as insecurity he cannot meet her demands.

      • Jason
        Jason
        October 18, 2017 at 1:38 am | #

        Possible- I didn’t read it that way but I can see it. There’s a lot of conjecture at this stage with regards to Jacob and Raidah, both as characters and as a couple. (Her more so than him, we’ve seen a lot more of him and in a more neutral light.) Really, at this point the main thing to do is wait for more on them- but discussion is fun in the mean time. 😀

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      October 18, 2017 at 3:07 am | #

      I’m sorry but, to me, ‘Raidah’, ‘mature’ and ‘handle it fine’ really don’t belong in the same sentence. If anything, Becky is basically inviting Raidah to turn her venom from Sarah to Joyce.

      • Jason
        Jason
        October 18, 2017 at 9:20 pm | #

        I commented about this above but I can absolutely see why Raidah has a lot of venom for Sarah. Her perspective is that Sarah completely screwed over her close friend because Sarah couldn’t be bothered to deal with Dana’s grief over her mother passing. Now, we know there’s a lot more to that story- but that’s Raidah’s perspective, and with that in mind, is it really a surprise she’s so resentful to Sarah?

  44. nlips
    nlips
    October 18, 2017 at 12:51 am | #

    smooth, Becky… very smooth…

  45. Yumi
    Yumi
    October 18, 2017 at 12:53 am | #

    So my question for the evening:
    I’m pretty into webcomics. I don’t follow as many as some, but I really like the ones I do. I’m wondering from those who have gotten other people in their lives interested in webcomics, what do you feel helped, either in what you did or just what about the other person made them more able to get into the genre?
    I’ve tried to share this and other webcomics with friends of mine, but generally they don’t seem interested. Which is fine, I just find it both kind of interesting in itself and unique to webcomics as a genre.

    • Loki
      Loki
      October 18, 2017 at 1:06 am | #

      I have no help on this, but I am genuinely interested in the responses as well, because me getting people excited for something works about as well as me getting people excited for bricks.

    • APersonAmI
      APersonAmI
      October 18, 2017 at 1:30 am | #

      I’ve had some success, but with different approaches. With some people, just linking to a particularly interesting page will get them to check out some more, get them hooked if they are into what they have seen so far, and then binge it.

      With others, that approach doesn’t work, but what have worked is just using comics I think they might be interested in as examples when we discuss examples of tropes or archetypes in fiction, adding some extra details if they show interest for the quoted example.

      Of course, it’s also not an either/or situation. Someone can be mostly interested in plot, tropes and characters but still be won over by being shown some good or interesting artwork, for example.

      However, in any case, what’s worked for me is showing others (either by linking or describing, depending on the person) a bit of the comic, and then allowing them to try it out at their own pace.

    • Jason
      Jason
      October 18, 2017 at 1:41 am | #

      With my husband, well-written LGBT characters seems to do the trick. He reads way more webcomics now than before we met.
      Otherwise, I would go with common interests, and accepting that some people simply won’t enjoy that method of storytelling. Sadly it’s still often seen as a “waste of time” compared to books, films etc.

    • Carms
      Carms
      October 18, 2017 at 1:44 am | #

      I reference my webcomics a LOT. treat them like memes. HAY this panel is relevant to the topic of conversation just now! Do that a buncha times and wait for ‘what’s that thing you post pics from all the time’ or ‘HEY I READ THAT THING YOU POST FROM ALL THE TIME IT’S GUD’
      SMBC is really good for that apporach cos SWEAR there’s an SMBC for everything

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      October 18, 2017 at 2:02 am | #

      Yumi, reading your question instantly prompted a memory of me, as a ten-year-old, rushing out on a Sunday morning, scooping up the Sunday newspaper, tearing off the rubber bands, and turning to the comics section.

      I can’t tell you why I have always loved comics, any more than I can tell anyone why I love the sound of the cello or the taste of fresh apricots.

      In my final round of college — I entered at 18, dropped out and re-entered several times, got my B.A. at 32 — anyway, the round of college that stuck for me, I was a music major. And it happened time and time again that friends and acquaintances of mine would give their senior recital — the culmination of your life as an undergrad music major — and, to quote one of them: “The people I expected to show up, didn’t, and the people who showed up, I didn’t expect.”

      We gravitate towards people who share our tastes; that’s a normal human tendency. I know someone who married a woman he met at a Renaissance Faire, but I also know couples who, when one of them goes to the RenFaire, the other one finds something else to do that weekend.

      When I have the chance to introduce someone I know to something I think they might like, I do so. But I do so knowing that their response to this new-to-them thing is not necessarily going to be the same as mine.

      (But if anyone here is going to dispute the genius of Don Martin or Basil Wolverton, they are going to have to fight me to the pain.)

    • Vulcanodon
      Vulcanodon
      October 18, 2017 at 7:57 am | #

      I love webcomics and use them as memes. Have always loved comics but the freedom that comic artists have on the web has made them tremendously better. I remember back in the ’60’s when Charles Schultz was sometimes controversial and wonder what drafts burned in his house last week that the syndicate wouldn’t touch.

      Cartoons have also gotten immeasurably better and more meaningful. Think Steven Universe, MLP, Inside Out, UP, Toy Story.

      Marsh, the couples you know that do separate things when one goes to RenFaire? It may be a happy arrangement, or… it may not.

    • ValdVin
      ValdVin
      October 18, 2017 at 10:29 am | #

      I will send some individual webcomics to my wife, which she enjoys enough, but she isn’t going to go read them daily, or archive binge.

      However, she’s not really an internet-based-entertainment omnivore. I do find that she responds to the freedom to be long-form, or weirder-than-newsprint (and she and I each grew up during the printed newspaper era).

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      October 18, 2017 at 5:00 pm | #

      Thanks for the responses. As I think back on my own experiences, I’ve found giving people hard copies of webcomics to be the most effective, but that gets expensive and also, in my opinion, takes away some of the experience of webcomics. But mostly the money thing.

  46. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    October 18, 2017 at 12:59 am | #

    The lesbian love sleuth! Now available for other sexuality preferences!

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      October 18, 2017 at 3:04 am | #

      Given how badly her last attempt blew up in the two principals’ faces, I wouldn’t use Becky’s services. Of course, it’s likely that she doesn’t know that Leslie and Mindy crashed and burned, isn’t it?

      • MatthewTheLucky
        MatthewTheLucky
        October 18, 2017 at 9:06 am | #

        To be fair, Leslie’s kinda self-destructing at the moment.

  47. NoHeart
    NoHeart
    October 18, 2017 at 1:06 am | #

    Did anyone finish reading the strip and immediately feel the urge to imitate Galasso and yell FOOLS!

  48. chris73
    chris73
    October 18, 2017 at 1:09 am | #

    I’m liking how Becky is thinking shes doing a good thing here but the reality is shes being extremely cold and manipulative

    • Jason
      Jason
      October 18, 2017 at 1:44 am | #

      Manipulative, yes. Cold? I don’t think so. She loves Joyce- hopefully her feelings have shifted to being a more platonic love- and I’m guessing seeing how they are together has had an impact.
      Unless she’s just doing it because Sarah wants to get at Raidah, but I doubt that. Becky’s too… genuine for that, I think.

      • chris73
        chris73
        October 18, 2017 at 2:06 am | #

        Its cold because, unless shes unaware, shes actively trying to get Jacob and Joyce together which means she wants to break up a perfectly good relationship (Jacob and Raidah)

        Also remembering it was Jacob that invited them to his church because hes a good person and because of that hes getting manipulated by Becky into becoming closer with Joyce

        Its cold and uncaring and hopefully Becky realises soon that what shes doing is is really mean and grows out of it

        Jacob in the past lamented that people see him in a certain way, Becky is dehumanizing him just as much here by not taking into account his feelings

        • CJ
          CJ
          October 18, 2017 at 2:27 am | #

          I always cringe when someone mentions the “perfectly good relationship” between Jacob and Raidah.
          We haven’t seen enough of it to know if it’s good or not, can’t tell if Raidah’s acting manipulative or not – the scene with die party at Joyce’s and Sarah’s suggests that she does – and it has been all of three weeks long up to now.
          If Jacob finds he likes Joyce more an decides to end his budding relationship with Raidah that’s totally his affaire.
          If other people ship him with Joyce and provide large pointers one way or another, that’s a bit, well teenish, but then, they are teens.

          And, actually, why should Becky care about Raidah? The only thing she knows about her is she behaved abominable towards Sarah.

          • chris73
            chris73
            October 18, 2017 at 2:31 am | #

            Fine we don’t know its good other than what Jacob says and yes if he likes Joyce better then its his decision but Becky here is actively seeking a break up and why should Becky care about Raidah, well why should anyone care about anyone else they hardly know except for that thing about treating others as you’d like to be treated

        • Jason
          Jason
          October 18, 2017 at 9:25 pm | #

          I still wouldn’t call Becky’s behaviour “cold”, personally. You absolutely have the right to think it unpleasant and not okay, but I still believe it comes at least somewhat from a place of caring and warmth for Joyce.
          I don’t like the way Jacob’s feelings and thoughts are being treated as irrelevant either, but I still do believe Becky is at least somewhat acting out of love for her friend.

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      October 18, 2017 at 2:21 am | #

      You say “manipulative,” I say persuasive. And whatever you call it, it’s not inherently cold.

      Parents manipulate their children all the time, and by “manipulate” I mean “teach.” Friends manipulate their friends all the time, and by “manipulate” I mean “try to persuade them that they should not do that stupid thing that they seem intent on doing.”

      Whatever Becky is doing, it’s not because she thinks she’s going to get some personal benefit from it. Other than perhaps her best friend becomes happier, and that in turn makes her happier.

      • chris73
        chris73
        October 18, 2017 at 2:28 am | #

        If Beckys end game comes to pass then Jacob and Joyce will be together, for that to happen Jacob and Raidah have to break up, Becky is trying to facilitate that

        Even though she recieves no material benefit you don’t think its cold of het to try to break up a relationship?

        • Marsh Maryrose
          Marsh Maryrose
          October 18, 2017 at 3:15 am | #

          Jacob and Raidah are dating. It’s that simple. They are dating. They’ve been dating for maybe a month? Being in a dating-for-one-month relationship is not the same as being in an I-love-you-forever relationship.

          Jacob and Raidah are not in any kind of relationship where either one of them has publicly announced, “Back off! This one’s mine.” They’re dating. Maybe it will be forever, maybe it will go down in flames, who knows? But at this point, only Jacob and Raidah know if it’s more than just dating. We certainly don’t. And neither do Joyce and Becky.

          • adjudicus
            adjudicus
            October 18, 2017 at 4:57 am | #

            They may only be dating, but that still doesn’t negate what Becky’s doing. No matter how strong their relationship is, Becky has no right to meddle in it and break it up just because she feels like Jacob would be better off with Joyce.

            So what Becky’s doing here is pretty cold and manipulative, albeit well intentioned. She wants to do what’s best for Joyce, but if she succeeds she’s going to probably end up hurting Joyce, Jacob and Raidah, and she probably has an inkling of what’s going to happen. She knows Jacob and Raidah are in a relationship and are perfectly fine with each other(at least according to Jacob), she knows that Joyce would never willingly go along with her plan, but she still does it.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            October 18, 2017 at 8:10 am | #

            I don’t agree. They’re dating. They’re a couple. Just because they haven’t passed whatever arbitrary limit you think they need to doesn’t mean breaking them up is cool.
            Maybe they’re still in the “We’ve been on a couple dates, but it’s not actually a relationship and we’re both still playing the field” stage, but I don’t think so. They behave like a couple.
            I know I would have been pretty damn upset if I’d found someone trying to break up one of my college relationships a month in. Even if they didn’t turn out to be “forever”.

  49. Archivist
    Archivist
    October 18, 2017 at 1:16 am | #

    Joyce: *eyes small*
    Jacob: *EYES YUGE*

    • Daisy
      Daisy
      October 18, 2017 at 5:39 pm | #

      +1
      bonus +1 for the typo(?) that enhances the effect

  50. Michael Chandra
    Michael Chandra
    October 18, 2017 at 1:30 am | #

    Last time I saw something this dense, I was observing a neutron star.

    • Carms
      Carms
      October 18, 2017 at 1:45 am | #

      WAS IT COLLIDING WITH ANOTHER NEUTRON STAR TO PRODUCE THE ONLY EVENT YET OBSERVED AS A GRAVITATIONAL WAVE SOURCE WITH AN OPTICAL COUNTERPART?!!?!??!?!!?!

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        October 18, 2017 at 8:38 am | #

        ALSO GOLD???

      • Michael Chandra
        Michael Chandra
        October 18, 2017 at 9:37 am | #

        I was kidding and have never observed a neutron star but yes that observation is wickedly awesome. ^_^

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        October 18, 2017 at 6:55 pm | #

        Huh? Yeah, sure that’s pretty neat.

        Anyway, let’s get back to discuss the fact that two fictional people might be edging towards FALLING IN LOVE with each other.

        (I honestly can’t figure out if I’m sarcastic, and if so, why.)

  51. Josh Spicer
    Josh Spicer
    October 18, 2017 at 1:52 am | #

    You are a mastress of reverse psychology.

    • Dusk Rain
      Dusk Rain
      October 18, 2017 at 3:23 am | #

      I don’t know if this was a typo but I like it as a gender neutral term.

      • Jason
        Jason
        October 18, 2017 at 9:27 pm | #

        I don’t think it was a typo! I’ve seen it used as a gender neutral term by the kink community so it’s an existing word already. 😀

        • Josh Spicer
          Josh Spicer
          October 18, 2017 at 10:05 pm | #

          It was not a typo but good god am I glad that it’s used as a kink term.

  52. MapleAmber
    MapleAmber
    October 18, 2017 at 2:06 am | #

    Becky is remarkably good at this.
    I still ship this (as long as Jacob breaks up with his gf and doesn’t cheat on her).

  53. BenRG
    BenRG
    October 18, 2017 at 2:12 am | #

    I wonder at what point Becky and Jacob will realise that their life today is a romantic comedy?

  54. Jess
    Jess
    October 18, 2017 at 2:17 am | #

    Well done, Becky! I wouldn’t have thought she had it in her, which I imagine only makes this sort of manipulation all the more masterful.

    • darkoneko
      darkoneko
      October 18, 2017 at 2:18 am | #

      It’s hilarious how better she’s at this than Sarah

      • Eldritch Gentleman
        Eldritch Gentleman
        October 18, 2017 at 3:58 am | #

        Sarah has only spite on her side, Becky on the other hand is powered with Love.

        • Bagge
          Bagge
          October 18, 2017 at 6:56 pm | #

          Now THAT’S scary

  55. Stella
    Stella
    October 18, 2017 at 2:22 am | #

    Here is a thing I believe firmly and 100% :

    A person cannot steal a person.

    Everybody makes choices. Remaining faithful and committed is a choice two people make every day from within the relationship. If a person within a relationship chooses to break up with someone, that is the choice of the breaker-upper. If a person chooses to cheat on someone, that is the choice of the cheater.

    At the end of the day, people don’t own people, and breaking up with someone in order to date someone else isn’t morally wrong. It is always painful to be broken up with, but in my experience, even mutual break-ups–heck, even initiating a break-up when it’s vital to one’s mental health!–can be emotionally devastating. This is one of my favorite advice columnist letters, where the writer explains how she took DTMFA advice, and logically she knows she did the right thing, but emotionally and physically she is wrecked: http://rolereboot.org/sex-and-relationships/details/2017-09-dear-dana-break-someone-move/

    The pain of heartache doesn’t mean the breaker-upper did the wrong thing; it just means that often, people need to do what’s best for themselves, and that pain happens.

    Which brings me to Joyce-Jacob shipping.

    I’m ambivalent about this ship in general. But, here’s the thing: I cannot foresee Jacob cheating on Raidah with Joyce (something that would be actually wrong, as it’d be a breach of trust). Nor could I see Joyce being okay with doing romantic things behind Raidah’s back, cultivating an affair. While clearly che has a crush on Jacob, all of her conversation has been pretty natural rather than flirtatious.

    If this ship sails, it’ll be because Jacob freely chooses to pursue a romance with Joyce after choosing to break up with Raidah. Becky gave him a conversational shove, and Sarah helped Joyce dress nicely, of course, but he’s completely free to ignore those things. If his relationship with Raidah is fulfilling, he will. If it’s lacking, he’ll break up with her.

    All of which to say, Becky is rad and has done no wrong so far.

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      October 18, 2017 at 2:31 am | #

      Somehow reading this comment led me to see Becky’s actions as more wrong than I previously had.

      • CJ
        CJ
        October 18, 2017 at 3:40 pm | #

        Care to explain why?

        I found Stella’s description a fine rounding up of why I don’t see a problem with what Becky did here, but if it convinces you otherwise, I’m curious how this can be.

    • chris73
      chris73
      October 18, 2017 at 2:35 am | #

      What you’re saying is all well and good but its that Becky is actively seeking to create a situation that otherwise wouldn’t likely exist is the problem, shes created doubt in Jacobs mind that otherwise mightn’t exist

      Shes not being rad (well I guess she is in a way)

    • Nono
      Nono
      October 18, 2017 at 2:40 am | #

      Just because you wouldn’t give into temptations doesn’t mean the person doing the tempting isn’t being any less wrong though.

      If say, one of your friends asked you to help them traffick something in exchange for some money that you could use (just going to an extreme example here), and you said no, it doesn’t mean that the person who made the offer in the first place isn’t doing anything wrong just because you resisted it.

      Sarah and Becky haven’t done anything so bad as to encourage Jacob to cheat. But Sarah dressed Joyce not because she wanted her to look nice, but with the express intent of making Jacob get wandereyes and break up with Raidah. That’s wrong no matter which way you slice it, no matter what his reaction.

    • the final pam
      the final pam
      October 18, 2017 at 2:54 am | #

      If Jacob breaks up with Raidah for Joyce on his own terms, then that’s okay.

      If Jacob breaks up with Raidah for Joyce because he’s being subtly manipulated by no less than three women who do not care about his input in any of this but rather want to “get back” at his girlfriend, that’s super shitty.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        October 18, 2017 at 8:16 am | #

        Four women, though their motivations vary.

        Sarah: get back at Raidah
        Joyce: shipping Sarah/Jacob, along with her own suppressed hormones.
        Becky: make Joyce happy
        Billie: matchmaking Joyce/Jacob. Showing off role as alpha bongo.

    • Eldritch Gentleman
      Eldritch Gentleman
      October 18, 2017 at 6:55 am | #

      The key problem with this situation is that this does not just involve Jacob, Raidah and Joyce. There is a an extra party in the form of Sarah and Billie. They are more interested in getting back at Raidah than in Joyce’s and Jacob’s happiness and that’s the shitty part of this situation. Aiming to wreck a relationship out of spite is a shitty thing to do and that’s that.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        October 18, 2017 at 8:13 am | #

        I don’t think Billie’s really out to get Raidah, but just enjoys playing matchmaker for her friends. Getting that tower of a man for Joyce is enough motivation for her.

        • Eldritch Gentleman
          Eldritch Gentleman
          October 18, 2017 at 9:42 am | #

          Well she seems to know that Jacob is Raidah’s boyfriend so it’s still a tiny bit of a dick move. But yeah, she is actually less to blame than Sarah and Joyce herself who was perfectly fine with breaking up that relationship.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      October 18, 2017 at 8:20 am | #

      While you’re right that it’s ultimately the responsibility of the person involved, that doesn’t mean the one manipulating them is blame free.

      Both can be bad at the same time.

      And even though breaking up with someone isn’t morally wrong, trying to break up a couple for your own purposes can be.

  56. Yumi
    Yumi
    October 18, 2017 at 2:49 am | #

    I shpuld 100% be asleep, but instead I just went back and reread the strips with Becky coming out to Joyce and all that, because I guess I’d rather be in pain.

  57. Marsh Maryrose
    Marsh Maryrose
    October 18, 2017 at 3:39 am | #

    It only just now struck me that the as-yet invisible 800-pound gorilla in the room is its title. “Steadfast”? Not the otherwise obvious “Backfired”?

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      October 18, 2017 at 6:40 am | #

      It’s talking about Joyce and Jacob’s sense of morality and propriety, I think.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      October 18, 2017 at 8:46 am | #

      It also points to why this ultimately WON’T WORK.

      Jacob’s too loyal. He’s going to stick with Raidah because she’s his girlfriend even if he’s much more into Joyce and realizes that, because Raidah’s his girlfriend.

      Seriously, if the anti-Jacob/Raidah (we need a name for that ship) in-universe crowd really want to get their love-sabotaging manipulation game on (and ignore all the ethical quagmire of doing so), the weak link to target is Raidah.

      Get her jealous. Get her judgy. Provoke her to outbursts that disgust Jacob. Find ways to get her disgusted by Jacob. Lots of options. She’s the one prone to harshly severing a relationship, so if you’re out to sabotage the relationship, Raidah being the one to call it off is your endgame.

      Jakes isn’t.

      • BenRG
        BenRG
        October 18, 2017 at 10:38 am | #

        That’s the thing: Raidah is just paranoid enough that I could see her sabotaging their relationship due to Jacob having a close friendship with “Sarah’s roomie”.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        October 18, 2017 at 1:00 pm | #

        Though honestly, I find that a lot more problematic than just setting Joyce up as a potentially more attractive option. Most of the manipulation tried hasn’t been that kind of nasty. Becky’s done a few bits to tear down Raidah, but most of the rest has just been playing Joyce up.

        • CJ
          CJ
          October 18, 2017 at 3:48 pm | #

          If anyone tried to manipulate Raidah in distrusting Jacob or even telling Jacobs basicly true but slightly screwed tales about Raidah’s behavior towards other, I would totally agree that that was wrong behavior. But this is not what’s happening here.

          Beck is giving Joyce and Jacob both a slight push so they’ll find themselves agreeing after the problematic event of Joyce freaking out on Jacobs church, what’s the problem?
          Don’t you think anyone should have feelings for a person in a relationship with another? All relationships should be held sacred and no one should ever think about creating opportunities for seeing another person in a favorable light?
          Having a crush, being attracted or falling in love with someone is not a decision. What you do with those feelings is, and I get the impression, anyone creating opportunity for those emotions is already a bad person in your eyes. why?

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            October 18, 2017 at 5:08 pm | #

            As I said, I’d find the nasty stuff much worse. People generally can’t help what feelings they have, but Sarah and Joyce (and apparently Becky) have deliberately set themselves to break up Jacob and Raidah. This isn’t just Joyce deciding she likes hanging out with Jacob so she makes opportunities to do so. Even with a crush on him, that can be perfectly innocent, though I’ve seen it lead to disaster.

            This is a deliberate, intentional attempt to break up an apparently happy couple for reasons of their own – Sarah to deny him to Raidah, Joyce because she wants to help her friend with her crush. Becky’s motives haven’t been explicitly stated, so they could still be more benign.

  58. Liliet
    Liliet
    October 18, 2017 at 4:07 am | #

    l o l

    • Liliet
      Liliet
      October 18, 2017 at 4:07 am | #

      oh god I forgot

  59. newllend(henryvolt)
    newllend(henryvolt)
    October 18, 2017 at 5:06 am | #

    These two are Kindred spirits and Becky is a freaking miracle worker.

  60. Emily
    Emily
    October 18, 2017 at 5:20 am | #

    Y’all are dumber than a sack of hammers.

    • Jhon
      Jhon
      October 18, 2017 at 8:33 pm | #

      But sharper than a sack of wet mice?

  61. AustSakuraKyzor
    AustSakuraKyzor
    October 18, 2017 at 6:56 am | #

    Becky… Sarah’s not going to like that…

    …unless you’re trying to set Sarah up with Joe…

    In which case she’s going to MURDER you

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      October 18, 2017 at 7:39 am | #

      I think you might have missed some stuff about the development of Sarah’s goals.

  62. Joe Covenant
    Joe Covenant
    October 18, 2017 at 7:06 am | #

    I’m struggling to see where Jacob got this impression of Joyce from the last few strips.

    I mean – “We” might know she has those traits, but I can’t see them being displayed too much over the last week or two.

    What he *didn’t* say was, ‘magician’…
    ‘cos, you know, where is she hiding that phone!?

    (or is it a knife?)

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      October 18, 2017 at 7:44 am | #

      Jacob’s knowledge of Joyce extends beyond just today’s interactions. Heck, I assume it’s because of that previous knowledge that he was able to put up with some of today’s interactions.

      As for phone/knife storage, there is one obvious answer, though I can’t really see Joyce going for it…

      • ValdVin
        ValdVin
        October 18, 2017 at 10:16 am | #

        Yep. Sarah has an incredible number of Joyce stories, for people who’ve known each other for ~2 months.

        Sarah has told many of them to Jacob, and fairly accurately (from what we know), but they’re humorous nonetheless, and it’s the only way Sarah actually get tongue-untied around him.

        http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/joycestories/

      • Joe Covenant
        Joe Covenant
        October 18, 2017 at 11:11 am | #

        Yeah… But it’s really laid at the feet of presumption because we’venot really *seen* that , have we?

        Certainly not enough for him to make such a definitive *readership* description of her virtues?

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          October 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm | #

          There’s also this. Beyond Sarah’s Joyce stories, he’s heard about the kidnapping thing.

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      October 18, 2017 at 8:17 am | #

      Jacob seems to know Joyce pretty well. He defended her from Sarah too once.

  63. Vulcanodon
    Vulcanodon
    October 18, 2017 at 7:37 am | #

    Becky has loved Joyce pretty much her whole life. Wanting Joyce to be happy with Jacob is an act of self-sacrifice.

    • BP
      BP
      October 19, 2017 at 9:41 pm | #

      Compersion! An act of compersion. 😀

  64. Varangian
    Varangian
    October 18, 2017 at 7:55 am | #

    Beckster that was a Slam Dunk

  65. prime_pm
    prime_pm
    October 18, 2017 at 8:23 am | #

    My Episcopal church serves brunch after almost every service. Another reason I converted!

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      October 18, 2017 at 8:28 am | #

      Damn, I love brunch.

    • Batman
      Batman
      October 18, 2017 at 8:37 am | #

      same, we call it the 8th sacrament

      • Roborat
        Roborat
        October 18, 2017 at 3:23 pm | #

        I call it second breakfast.

        • Delicious Taffy
          Delicious Taffy
          October 18, 2017 at 4:17 pm | #

          No, second breakfast is before brunch.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            October 18, 2017 at 5:09 pm | #

            The morning’s getting pretty busy here. Where do elevenses fit in?

            • Delicious Taffy
              Delicious Taffy
              October 18, 2017 at 6:43 pm | #

              At 11:00, obviously.

  66. Batman
    Batman
    October 18, 2017 at 8:36 am | #

    oh my god becky, look at that brunch

  67. OnyxIdol
    OnyxIdol
    October 18, 2017 at 8:54 am | #

    Having reread the last couple of strips, I wonder if this is truly Becky being a master manipulator or just being passive-aggressive.

    • Cephalo the Pod
      Cephalo the Pod
      October 18, 2017 at 9:37 am | #

      Considering that her only “manipulation” has been goading two people who already like each other into defending one another’s lifestyles, I’m inclined to guess the latter over the former.

  68. Skoyatt
    Skoyatt
    October 18, 2017 at 10:13 am | #

    Ultimate matchmaker.

  69. Proto
    Proto
    October 18, 2017 at 10:26 am | #

    It’s like Becky doesn’t even want to help Joyce get Jacob to like Sarah!

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      October 18, 2017 at 6:57 pm | #

      I loled!

  70. Nym
    Nym
    October 18, 2017 at 11:18 am | #

    Add one to the theory that Becky ships it and knows her friend well enough to figure out how to give a little push.

    • TomHCinMI
      TomHCinMI
      October 18, 2017 at 1:22 pm | #

      +1

  71. Arianod
    Arianod
    October 18, 2017 at 11:51 am | #

    Tee heee

  72. Griffin Raynor
    Griffin Raynor
    October 18, 2017 at 2:02 pm | #

    oh boy, here they go.

    Also I know that feel Becky.

  73. BP
    BP
    October 18, 2017 at 2:38 pm | #

    …. What just happened.

  74. Tarkara
    Tarkara
    October 18, 2017 at 3:41 pm | #

    Poor Becky

  75. Puckish Rogue
    Puckish Rogue
    October 18, 2017 at 4:27 pm | #

    So, like always, we’re all presented with the same scene and there are a lot of different interpretations of whats just transpired over the last couple of strips

    I think what Becky has done is unfeeling and manipulative but its not deliberate, it comes from a place of wanting to do good by Joyce but I don’t think shes thought through the ramifications of it all

    I don’t think Jacob will appreciate that his feelings were ignored and that he was played and I think Joyce would be horrified to know she was, potentially, “the other women”

    But hopefully everyone will be a little wiser, and a little less flippant, about the whole experience

  76. Meerkat
    Meerkat
    October 18, 2017 at 5:31 pm | #

    Becky you sly dog.

  77. Daisy
    Daisy
    October 18, 2017 at 5:35 pm | #

    How did Becky, the only child with Toedad for a role model, end up learning deceit, trickery, subtlety and romantic manipulation?

    …oh yeah wait, those are the closet gay survival skills

    Anyway I’m proud of her, being able to hook Joyce up with others when she was so jealous on her first arrival. And so masterfully, too!

  78. Puckish Rogue
    Puckish Rogue
    October 18, 2017 at 6:49 pm | #

    They are good skills to have and used wisely can do a lot of good but I think Becky lacks the wisdom (at the moment) to use those skills properly

  79. Torra
    Torra
    October 19, 2017 at 2:33 am | #

    Ahhhhhhhh now yesterday’s strip makes more sense. This is defs pretty cool of Becky but also Becky nooo Jacob is in a relationship

    • Heavensrun
      Heavensrun
      October 19, 2017 at 11:08 am | #

      Yeah, but it’s a relationship with the ENEMY. ;p Sarah is part of her family unit now, so she’s probably on board with tactical strikes on Raidah’s life in general.

  80. Heavensrun
    Heavensrun
    October 19, 2017 at 11:06 am | #

    Becky, you mad genius.

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