“Vengeance” by coldrain it’s the opening song of the anime Ninja Kamui :p
the song slaps but the show itself is basically an overproduced energy drink commercial XD :/
“Vengeance” by coldrain, it’s the opening song of the anime Ninja Kamui :p
the song slaps but the anime itself is one long over-produced energy drink commercial XD :/
NGPZ
ugh, please don’t mind the double comment, I see the site is still under maintenance X-X
GingerMadman
Overproduced Energy Drink Commercial just makes me think of Death Stranding
Sometime you need a cop who is enough of a bastard to quash the bad guy.
In my apartment building a man who had beaten his mom to death tried to hide with his girlfrend, a fellow tenant. The police found him and got the girl away safely then he
started firing randomly thru the wall, floor, ceiling and then tried to set fire to the
building while holding off the firefighters. A LEO of the SF Swat with a modern
rifle that looked like a toy killed him with a head shot. Here is soo liberal and even
progressive San Francisco.
I hope no one ever needs a LEO so much as the tenants did that night.
Carla is one of my favorites and I have known poor transgender who had
the same sort of attitude.
I wonder how they knew it was Carla’s room, and used that as an excuse to trash it.
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Also, I feel awful for Carla right now. I’ve kept my bisexuality to myself because I live in a red state, so I can’t fully understand what Carla is going through. I cannot imagine being so openly hated by people that they would destroy my property. Can anyone in the comments relate to something similar that happened to them?
I didn’t come out until i was well away from the shitass catholic community i was a part of, but i saw at least 6 teachers fired on rumors they were gay
Dunno if we’ve seen it on-panel (it doesn’t look like we’ve seen much of Carla’s room), but it wouldn’t exactly be unusual for her to have a trans flag somewhere in her room as a decoration.
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(And yes, she’s also somewhat famous, but if they knew whose daughter she was, they would’ve been less likely to attack her property, I think.)
Dedlok
There were at least 4 strips that were in Carla’s room, when she contacted her mom and dad via video call on her TV. 3 of those said strips were mostly panels of her and the wall behind her and the tv with her parents on it. This is the strip we can see the most of her room though: https://www.dumbingofage.com/comic/connecting/. No flag visible in what we can see. Mostly just the tv, her computer, an Ultra Car sticker, and some papers. Wall behind her is bare.
Li
I looked at those exact strips and I completely disagree that we can see “most” of her room in them. We can see a tiny segment of the wall behind her and we can barely see the wall the screens are in front of.
Shade
I mean… the promise of anonymity and legal protection has emboldened people to do dumber things.
Sirksome
I personally think it makes more sense that even with her name on the door and Carla’s general fame they didn’t know for sure it was her room but just broke the tv anyway because they could. It’s not exactly a hard puzzle even if there isn’t a giant trans flag hanging on the wall. It makes a lot of sense they would just not care and hurting the rich trans girl is a nice consolation prize for not finding AG in their illegal search. I do kind of wonder how a cop would think they’d get away with targeting the billionaire and destroying her property but I guess cops have been given even more unilateral authority and immunity over these past years. 9/10 times they will get away with it. Hopefully this is the 1/10 they won’t.
thejeff
Yeah, it’s kind of weird and hard to tell what the intent is here. If they knew she was trans they’re probably more likely to break stuff, but if they knew who Carla was, which would be the obvious way to know she was trans , wouldn’t they have been warned off messing with the billionaire’s kid? ACAB, but part of that bastardy is letting rich people slide because they’re not easy targets.
The whole arc still seems off to me. All the damage really was done off panel. The scenes we did see with them searching they seemed pretty mellow: not messing with the “science experiment”, letting Walky bullshit them.
Sirksome
@thejeff-That confused me too. The depiction of the cops seemed a bit inconsistent. Having jokes about them respecting science and getting played by Walky kinda clashes with the aftermath of them wrecking rooms and flat out destroying stuff, especially since we didn’t see them in the act. Were they bumbling and incompetent or threatening?
Jon
They’re searching the entire dorm building – I would presume, especially given their new fear of Amazi-Girl, that the cops sent more than two guys to do the project. And other than ACAB, cops aren’t a monolith.
thejeff
@Sirksome: That’s basically the confusion
And to Jon’s point, sure there were more than two. We even saw a grim troop of them marching in.
It’s perfectly reasonable some were more serious about it than others. Or just more malicious and destructive. But the story in the moment focused on the incompetent bumbling ones, but the aftermath is shifting to the unseen destructive ones. It’s an issue of narrative choices and tone, not of whether the individual events were reasonable.
Dedlok
Re-read my post. I said “This is the strip we can see the most of her room though:” Not “we can see most of her room. As in “this of the strip that we see her room the most in because other strips are just of the wall behind her and the tv with her parents on it.”
they wouldn’t have to know it’s Carla’s room; Carla’s room is just visibly the room of a trans person. that’s enough.
the extreme tinfoil hat stretch is, since Amazi-Girl has regularly beaten up grown men, they also assume the trans student must be Amazi-Girl, and this was a more deliberate warning to stop being a problem for them. Anything to protect the fragile male ego of the state-sanctioned violence brigade.
“Carla’s room is just visibly the room of a trans person.”
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I’ve never been in the living quarters of someone I knew was trans. (Heck, I’ve never known if someone I know is trans, much less been in their room.) Help the old straight white guy out – what about Carla’s room sends that message?
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Thanks.
Opinion
The obvious one is that she has a trans flag (or did at one poing) if I remember correctly
Leorale
I don’t remember a trans flag in her room, and haven’t seen a link to a trans flag there yet. It would make sense for Carla to have and display one, but, this may be an invented memory that everyone is now agreeing with.
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It’d be a privilege to automatically know that a violent crime isn’t a hate crime, vs. receiving that same act of violence *and* having to wonder whether it’s because the bigots hate who you are.
Li
It’s just extremely normal and typical for people her age who are openly trans to hang up trans flags if they feel remotely safe to do so. Logical extrapolation, that’s all.
People, her name is on the door and she is a known figure, she doesn’t have the benefit of choosing who knows she’s trans its public knowledge because of her parents being well known.
I’m really confused by all the people confused by this.
Random832
The confusion is because “trans” and “billionaires’ kid” are aspects that pull the expected cop reaction in opposite directions, which doesn’t entirely rule it out, but it does complicate the theory that it was because they knew who she was individually.
I don’t remember most of elementary school into high school because of what I went through, and I’m in my 50s now. And the people who I thought were friends, were just happy they weren’t the target and could be part of the in-group against the outsider.
Interesting that it was punched through, I would have assumed thrown to the ground. Point in favour of it being a specific targeted slight against her, I suppose
Not sure how Carla’s is set up, but my 72″ teevee is attached to its mount with four screws, and the mount is secured into a wall stud with two 1/4″ lag screws. It would not pull down easily.
If the past decade of Dumbing of Age has taught me, if anyone suggests that the police destroyed her property because she’s trans then there will be at least 20 comments about how there’s literally any other explanation than them being bigots. See Walky and Sal about their mom for example.
I agree in this specific circumstances, but “this commenter had a different interpretation about a fictional character’s bigotry” seems like a very broad definition of “hate.” To be fair I haven’t read the comments in question.
Is this comment a hate comment?
noisy
Feel free to delete this comment, don’t mean to start a flame war.
noisy
Feel free to delete this comment, don’t mean to start a flame war. Doesn’t look like there’s an option for me to delete it; apologies if I missed one.
ZombieKyrik
Different opinions are good, but when different opinions are: used to insult someone, said to intentionally cause a fight instead of a debate, gaslight someone, or to attack a belief, then it becomes hate
Yeah, nah. I come from a country where police are much more reasonable, and I’m also known for comments about jumping to conclusions. But even I think, yeah, nah, they did not do this to other people, and fist thru TV is pretty damn blunt. I’d say probability for bigot hate crime is pretty high. Plus these are fictional cops, so they are standing in for cop bad behaviour in general, and get no leeway.
I don’t think Willis really thought out the implications of transposing Ultra Car/Carla’s Shortpacked backstory into it’s Dumbing of Age equivalent.
CT Phipps
By contrast, I think Willis is very thoughtful on this. It’s just its a highly unusual situation that is an interesting thought experiment. What if, instead of the usual grossly homophobic and awful parents, you got fully supportive and loving ones…who are still awful people in another way. The, “Artemis and Cheshire’s parents are great parents but shitty people” scenario to use Young Justice as an example.
Shade
What implications? That people can be right on one issue while terrible about another?
Ah, but do the Ruttens see themselves as war profiteers? Or do they tell themselves that they’re selling defense systems which keep their country safe like how they keep their daughter safe?
People are messy and complicated and those sorts of internal tensions make for good stories.
thejeff
It’s kind of a pedantic point I guess, but once upon a time “war profiteering” was an actual specific crime rather than just “has something to do with making things for the military”.
Reality is not that simple, defense industry workers are queerer than you might think because multiple American arms manufacturers are in fact very LGBT friendly. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon all score 100/100 in the Human Rights Campaign’s employer rating system, and at this point Raytheon’s history of being a trans-friendly employer is decades long: https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/defense-giant-raytheon-protects-transgender-employees
Are you aware of Sam Altman who is gay and has a partner, is a billionaire
who has just turned his LLM over to the Department of War(should be Defense)..
Only those confused Gay Republicans are happy with him.
Jon
Still is Defense. Only Congress can change the name of an official department of the government.
Lys
Peter Thiel, founder and chairman of Palantir, is another gay billionaire with department of defense contracts, and is generally thought to be the man responsible for Jack Vance being Vice-President. He started dating financier Matt Danzeisen in 2007 and married him in 2017.
HueSatLight
it’s been the department of war for decades, “department of defense” is a euphamism to get you to support murdering wedding parties in Afghanistan and farmers in Viet Nam.
Cops aren’t an actual hivemind, and they take orders from above. It’s possible that a cop present sympathized with the protests, and/or had it in for a rich kid.
I’m not betting on it or arguing it as likely, but it’s hardly impossible.
Serendipity
It’s got an asymptotic relationship with impossibility. A cop willfully destroying a wealthy person’s property is going to get the book thrown at him, and they know that. This is clearly bigotry in action- the devil does not need an advocate in this instance.
133 thoughts on “New television”
NGPZ
rain, rain, come wash away the pain,
with demons in my eyes, vengeance is the only waaaaaaaaaaaaaay D:<
TrueSurvivor
What song is that from?
NGPZ
“Vengeance” by coldrain it’s the opening song of the anime Ninja Kamui :p
the song slaps but the show itself is basically an overproduced energy drink commercial XD :/
NGPZ
“Vengeance” by coldrain, it’s the opening song of the anime Ninja Kamui :p
the song slaps but the anime itself is one long over-produced energy drink commercial XD :/
NGPZ
ugh, please don’t mind the double comment, I see the site is still under maintenance X-X
GingerMadman
Overproduced Energy Drink Commercial just makes me think of Death Stranding
IntangibleMatter
It’s okay, Ruth. You have to play the straightman every so often.
Well, proverbially straight.
Sirksome
Never not a good time to say don’t trust cops. I should probably just type that every strip instead of anything else.
Throwatron
i actually find that cops are extremely trustworthy
you can always trust them to be bastards
bliss
Sometime you need a cop who is enough of a bastard to quash the bad guy.
In my apartment building a man who had beaten his mom to death tried to hide with his girlfrend, a fellow tenant. The police found him and got the girl away safely then he
started firing randomly thru the wall, floor, ceiling and then tried to set fire to the
building while holding off the firefighters. A LEO of the SF Swat with a modern
rifle that looked like a toy killed him with a head shot. Here is soo liberal and even
progressive San Francisco.
I hope no one ever needs a LEO so much as the tenants did that night.
Carla is one of my favorites and I have known poor transgender who had
the same sort of attitude.
stePH
Oh sure; let’s see if you still hate cops when you get robbed, and need someone to show up hours later and shrug. 😉
Throwatron
Hey, that’s not fair!
You forgot that they’ll also misgender my family, after they shoot my dog.
Lumino
The A is for All.
Morleuca
Yes. And not for “assigned” as my brain keeps trying to convince me
Psychie
Well, one of them is anyway. The other stands for what is commonly mistaken as a pirate’s favorite letter!
Leorale
Aye, ye’d think t’would be ‘R’, but me heart belongs to the ‘C’. 🏴☠️
Astariel
Fucking cops.
ZombieKyrik
I wonder how they knew it was Carla’s room, and used that as an excuse to trash it.
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Also, I feel awful for Carla right now. I’ve kept my bisexuality to myself because I live in a red state, so I can’t fully understand what Carla is going through. I cannot imagine being so openly hated by people that they would destroy my property. Can anyone in the comments relate to something similar that happened to them?
Bill Erak
I didn’t come out until i was well away from the shitass catholic community i was a part of, but i saw at least 6 teachers fired on rumors they were gay
Taffy
I’m an annoying faggot and someone doxxed me and sent a cop to my home. The two things might not be related.
Shade
Door has her name on it.
Li
Dunno if we’ve seen it on-panel (it doesn’t look like we’ve seen much of Carla’s room), but it wouldn’t exactly be unusual for her to have a trans flag somewhere in her room as a decoration.
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(And yes, she’s also somewhat famous, but if they knew whose daughter she was, they would’ve been less likely to attack her property, I think.)
Dedlok
There were at least 4 strips that were in Carla’s room, when she contacted her mom and dad via video call on her TV. 3 of those said strips were mostly panels of her and the wall behind her and the tv with her parents on it. This is the strip we can see the most of her room though: https://www.dumbingofage.com/comic/connecting/. No flag visible in what we can see. Mostly just the tv, her computer, an Ultra Car sticker, and some papers. Wall behind her is bare.
Li
I looked at those exact strips and I completely disagree that we can see “most” of her room in them. We can see a tiny segment of the wall behind her and we can barely see the wall the screens are in front of.
Shade
I mean… the promise of anonymity and legal protection has emboldened people to do dumber things.
Sirksome
I personally think it makes more sense that even with her name on the door and Carla’s general fame they didn’t know for sure it was her room but just broke the tv anyway because they could. It’s not exactly a hard puzzle even if there isn’t a giant trans flag hanging on the wall. It makes a lot of sense they would just not care and hurting the rich trans girl is a nice consolation prize for not finding AG in their illegal search. I do kind of wonder how a cop would think they’d get away with targeting the billionaire and destroying her property but I guess cops have been given even more unilateral authority and immunity over these past years. 9/10 times they will get away with it. Hopefully this is the 1/10 they won’t.
thejeff
Yeah, it’s kind of weird and hard to tell what the intent is here. If they knew she was trans they’re probably more likely to break stuff, but if they knew who Carla was, which would be the obvious way to know she was trans , wouldn’t they have been warned off messing with the billionaire’s kid? ACAB, but part of that bastardy is letting rich people slide because they’re not easy targets.
The whole arc still seems off to me. All the damage really was done off panel. The scenes we did see with them searching they seemed pretty mellow: not messing with the “science experiment”, letting Walky bullshit them.
Sirksome
@thejeff-That confused me too. The depiction of the cops seemed a bit inconsistent. Having jokes about them respecting science and getting played by Walky kinda clashes with the aftermath of them wrecking rooms and flat out destroying stuff, especially since we didn’t see them in the act. Were they bumbling and incompetent or threatening?
Jon
They’re searching the entire dorm building – I would presume, especially given their new fear of Amazi-Girl, that the cops sent more than two guys to do the project. And other than ACAB, cops aren’t a monolith.
thejeff
@Sirksome: That’s basically the confusion
And to Jon’s point, sure there were more than two. We even saw a grim troop of them marching in.
It’s perfectly reasonable some were more serious about it than others. Or just more malicious and destructive. But the story in the moment focused on the incompetent bumbling ones, but the aftermath is shifting to the unseen destructive ones. It’s an issue of narrative choices and tone, not of whether the individual events were reasonable.
Dedlok
Re-read my post. I said “This is the strip we can see the most of her room though:” Not “we can see most of her room. As in “this of the strip that we see her room the most in because other strips are just of the wall behind her and the tv with her parents on it.”
Throwatron
they wouldn’t have to know it’s Carla’s room; Carla’s room is just visibly the room of a trans person. that’s enough.
the extreme tinfoil hat stretch is, since Amazi-Girl has regularly beaten up grown men, they also assume the trans student must be Amazi-Girl, and this was a more deliberate warning to stop being a problem for them. Anything to protect the fragile male ego of the state-sanctioned violence brigade.
RassilonTDavros
Tinfoil hat theory seems plausible enough.
Charlie Spencer
“Carla’s room is just visibly the room of a trans person.”
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I’ve never been in the living quarters of someone I knew was trans. (Heck, I’ve never known if someone I know is trans, much less been in their room.) Help the old straight white guy out – what about Carla’s room sends that message?
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Thanks.
Opinion
The obvious one is that she has a trans flag (or did at one poing) if I remember correctly
Leorale
I don’t remember a trans flag in her room, and haven’t seen a link to a trans flag there yet. It would make sense for Carla to have and display one, but, this may be an invented memory that everyone is now agreeing with.
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It’d be a privilege to automatically know that a violent crime isn’t a hate crime, vs. receiving that same act of violence *and* having to wonder whether it’s because the bigots hate who you are.
Li
It’s just extremely normal and typical for people her age who are openly trans to hang up trans flags if they feel remotely safe to do so. Logical extrapolation, that’s all.
Shade
People, her name is on the door and she is a known figure, she doesn’t have the benefit of choosing who knows she’s trans its public knowledge because of her parents being well known.
I’m really confused by all the people confused by this.
Random832
The confusion is because “trans” and “billionaires’ kid” are aspects that pull the expected cop reaction in opposite directions, which doesn’t entirely rule it out, but it does complicate the theory that it was because they knew who she was individually.
tim gueguen
I assume they got the list of residents in the dorm from university management, one way or another.
anon
i wonder if she’ll tell her parents, it would be cool if it could lead/get some kinda lawsuit filed against them
Morleuca
I don’t remember most of elementary school into high school because of what I went through, and I’m in my 50s now. And the people who I thought were friends, were just happy they weren’t the target and could be part of the in-group against the outsider.
Thag Simmons
Interesting that it was punched through, I would have assumed thrown to the ground. Point in favour of it being a specific targeted slight against her, I suppose
Needfuldoer
Maybe they tried but couldn’t figure out how to unlatch the wall mount.
Throwatron
this tracks, they are dumb as bricks
stePH
Not sure how Carla’s is set up, but my 72″ teevee is attached to its mount with four screws, and the mount is secured into a wall stud with two 1/4″ lag screws. It would not pull down easily.
Serendipity
Always bet on cops being bigots.
CT Phipps
If the past decade of Dumbing of Age has taught me, if anyone suggests that the police destroyed her property because she’s trans then there will be at least 20 comments about how there’s literally any other explanation than them being bigots. See Walky and Sal about their mom for example.
ZombieKyrik
You’re not wrong, but I wish you were. Wading through hate comments is generally not much fun.
noisy
I agree in this specific circumstances, but “this commenter had a different interpretation about a fictional character’s bigotry” seems like a very broad definition of “hate.” To be fair I haven’t read the comments in question.
Is this comment a hate comment?
noisy
Feel free to delete this comment, don’t mean to start a flame war.
noisy
Feel free to delete this comment, don’t mean to start a flame war. Doesn’t look like there’s an option for me to delete it; apologies if I missed one.
ZombieKyrik
Different opinions are good, but when different opinions are: used to insult someone, said to intentionally cause a fight instead of a debate, gaslight someone, or to attack a belief, then it becomes hate
Thing 2
Yeah, nah. I come from a country where police are much more reasonable, and I’m also known for comments about jumping to conclusions. But even I think, yeah, nah, they did not do this to other people, and fist thru TV is pretty damn blunt. I’d say probability for bigot hate crime is pretty high. Plus these are fictional cops, so they are standing in for cop bad behaviour in general, and get no leeway.
Joy
I usually try to wait until the comments have already been moderated…
HueSatLight
indirectly it was also because of her parents being war profiteers.
CT Phipps
The only pro-trans and LGBTA rights war profiteers of all time.
Cameron Stone
I don’t think Willis really thought out the implications of transposing Ultra Car/Carla’s Shortpacked backstory into it’s Dumbing of Age equivalent.
CT Phipps
By contrast, I think Willis is very thoughtful on this. It’s just its a highly unusual situation that is an interesting thought experiment. What if, instead of the usual grossly homophobic and awful parents, you got fully supportive and loving ones…who are still awful people in another way. The, “Artemis and Cheshire’s parents are great parents but shitty people” scenario to use Young Justice as an example.
Shade
What implications? That people can be right on one issue while terrible about another?
tbf
Ah, but do the Ruttens see themselves as war profiteers? Or do they tell themselves that they’re selling defense systems which keep their country safe like how they keep their daughter safe?
People are messy and complicated and those sorts of internal tensions make for good stories.
thejeff
It’s kind of a pedantic point I guess, but once upon a time “war profiteering” was an actual specific crime rather than just “has something to do with making things for the military”.
Lys
Reality is not that simple, defense industry workers are queerer than you might think because multiple American arms manufacturers are in fact very LGBT friendly. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon all score 100/100 in the Human Rights Campaign’s employer rating system, and at this point Raytheon’s history of being a trans-friendly employer is decades long: https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/defense-giant-raytheon-protects-transgender-employees
bliss
Are you aware of Sam Altman who is gay and has a partner, is a billionaire
who has just turned his LLM over to the Department of War(should be Defense)..
Only those confused Gay Republicans are happy with him.
Jon
Still is Defense. Only Congress can change the name of an official department of the government.
Lys
Peter Thiel, founder and chairman of Palantir, is another gay billionaire with department of defense contracts, and is generally thought to be the man responsible for Jack Vance being Vice-President. He started dating financier Matt Danzeisen in 2007 and married him in 2017.
HueSatLight
it’s been the department of war for decades, “department of defense” is a euphamism to get you to support murdering wedding parties in Afghanistan and farmers in Viet Nam.
And pinkwashing isn’t that complicated.
anon
i mean, wouldn’t the cops be on her parents side in that case? i mean they showed up to ‘stop’ the protest, not join it
HueSatLight
indirectly
drs
Cops aren’t an actual hivemind, and they take orders from above. It’s possible that a cop present sympathized with the protests, and/or had it in for a rich kid.
I’m not betting on it or arguing it as likely, but it’s hardly impossible.
Serendipity
It’s got an asymptotic relationship with impossibility. A cop willfully destroying a wealthy person’s property is going to get the book thrown at him, and they know that. This is clearly bigotry in action- the devil does not need an advocate in this instance.
Dot