i drew this one about the same time the strip it's referencing published

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Joyce: So, uh. You said WING-PERSONNESS is the NUMBER ONE quality anyone can have?
Joe: Yeah, the MOST IMPORTANT thing you can do is facilitate the HANKY-PANKY.
Joyce: Then you are HISTORY'S GREATEST HERO. ...slash SEX MONSTER.
Joe: Hot.

Number one quality
Posted on May 2, 2026 by David M Willis

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133 thoughts on “Number one quality”

  1. Doctor_Who

    Nice to see these two both talking and smiling.

    1. Dan (no hat; different guy)

      Talking and smiling …. on the Dumping Stairs.

      1. Jerna

        Dumping of Age

    2. Newlland(Henryvolt)

      Only smiling on the outside.

      1. clif

        The correct line was not “Hot.”
        It was “And yet here you are …”

  2. NGPZ

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    SomeCocksCantBeUnsucked.GIF

    1. Freezer

      “Some?”

      1. ByronOrpheus

        The concept bears further exploration, but not here and definitely not using my work computer.

  3. shanunu

    I guess this is Joyce saying its over. Hoprfully Joe has had enough processing time 😞

  4. IntangibleMatter

    God why am I actually getting teary at this. It’s so sweet and sad at the same time. It’s like a kind of capstone on their relationship even if it isn’t formalized as “over” yet even though it is. It’s just a nice moment between them.

    …dammit yeah the Estrogen is definitely changing my emotions. Jocelyne wasn’t lying

    1. Morleuca

      The weirdest things set it off. Kleenex commercials, a news story about the crowd at a hockey game in the US singing the Canadian national anthem, a kitten rolling over so his belly can be rubbed, a friend discussing getting hit on by the cute notary public at her divorce paper signing, talking about the emotional effects of E, a video clip about cave painters holding their children on their shoulders so the kids can paint the ceiling

      1. ValdVin

        “A friend discussing getting hit on by the cute notary public at her divorce paper signing” is the kind of thing I expect to have already been made into a movie or novel. I can see it working.

      2. AConcernedHusband

        My wife once cried because the kittens IN MY DREAM that I was telling her about were “too small”. She could not see the kittens. They were just. I told her their size and she teared up.

      3. HereComesHoneyBadger

        As a cis man these things have been hitting me since I turned 30 or so

      4. Clockwork

        It’s funny – as a man I respond with teary-eyedness to a lot of those things too. Definitely not in the same way as you, but some of the same vibes. It can be sad or happy or happy-sad or any mix of other emotions… just need to acknowledge they’re inside me and tell myself it’s okay to show them, externally or with other people or whatever the case may be.

        I think we’ve all got those inside us. For me it’s not necessarily hormones, we’re both just human beings and it’s okay to feel the way you feel no matter what you look or feel like.

  5. Dot

    Is it time? Is the can all the way down the road at last?

    1. Dot

      Mx. David M. Willis give me messy poly out of this whole debacle and you will be reborn as a lotus flower

      1. EpochFlame

        seconding

      2. Grimey

        I dunno if you’re getting messy poly, fam.

        Best I can do is angsty pining and ingenue yuri.

        *slaps roof of Willis’s strip*

        This baby can fit so much yuri.

      3. doinkertag

        dot you’re a shining light in this comment section

        1. clif

          In the velvet darkness
          Of the blackest night
          Burning bright
          There’s a guiding star

        2. Wack'd

          no matter what
          or
          who you aaaaaAAAAAAARE

        3. clif

          There’s a light

        4. Jon

          Over in the Dumbing of Age
          There’s a liiiiiiiiiight
          Burning in the comments page

        5. Thing 2

          And THAT was what I was doing in the Southern States in 1979… (That and discovering MeatLoaf)

        6. Dot

          yippee

      4. Insanenoodlyguy

        As lousy an execution as it is at least Joyce is killing it.

    2. Pocky

      Dot you just jinxed it! Now we gotta wait another year for this plot to unravel.

    3. Needfuldoer

      It really is Joever. :(

    4. Big Z

      Man, I really wanted more than a snapshot of this to happen on-camera, even if this was probably the way it was going to go.

  6. Astariel

    Aw, I like this.

  7. DiDi

    Are we allowed to post images in the comments?

    I have one I’d really like to use right now.

    1. NGPZ

      pretty sure, given I and Yoto do it as hyperlinks all the time :)

      1. Li

        You can LINK to images but you can’t post them directly, the img HTML tag doesn’t work.

  8. RassilonTDavros

    Preemptively wishing Wack’d well this evening, hoping things don’t get too crazy.
     
    anyway i like this one, it’s cute

    1. Wack'd

      i appreciate the well-wishes!

  9. Nubetrasnochada

    Aaagh! Right on the dumping stairs 🫠

  10. v

    Joe’s expression is so bittersweet here… feels like he’s starting to accept that things are over between him and Joyce, but also a little bit of character regression? He’s falling back on his old horny persona to cover over his sadness and make Joyce think everything’s fine. It’s sweet that he doesn’t want to make his feelings her problem, but I do wonder if this is the beginning of a trend towards leaning back into (rebound) sex as the only thing he cares about. I hope not, for his sake.

    1. Switchchris

      I think that’s a lot to assume from the little we are given here, and its kinda assuming the worst.

    2. redcaela

      Check the eyes. Still looks the part of sad and wet softboy, rather than high octane horndog.

      1. Hatman

        sad and wet horndog

    3. Envy

      With him knowing how many hang-ups Joyce has about sex because of the religious upbringing, I do think a part of him is genuinely happy for her, even if this is extremely bittersweet for him.

      1. redcaela

        Part of him does seem genuinely pleased that he was able to make Joyce happy, even if it meant letting her go. You don’t see him regretting giving Dorothy comfort and the nudge she needed to be honest and live unrepressed, either. He’s not wrong to claim credit for both of those things and not regard the whole thing as an unmitigated tragedy. He’s been a really good friend to both of them in this, even when they’ve failed to reciprocate.

    4. Gunslinger

      It’s a funny mixed bag. It’s guised under the horny bro persona, but deep down he values true friends that support each other. Joyce recognising him as a fantastic wingman (and a pervert) is a real gesture of friendship. Not that “friends after a breakup” friendship. Things might be over, but they have each others’ backs. Joe’s getting teary-eyed because she genuinely wants him to be in her life, however tangentially.

  11. Yumi

    Here’s the referenced strip:
    https://www.dumbingofage.com/comic/wingpersonness/

    1. Ty34er

      Thank you!

    2. Slartibeast Button, BIA

      Thanks!

    3. Holly

      Thank you!

      I was kind of hoping the strip would also have a reference for her calling him a “sex monster”, because that seems like a really negative connotation to me and made me wonder if it was a reference to The List. That would be from more like a decade (sob) ago than a year ago, though.

      1. Astariel

        Here’s the sex monster strip. It’s from before they were dating, but Joe seems to like it!
        https://www.dumbingofage.com/comic/indomitable/

    4. steamweed

      “It was at that moment that Joe shipped Joyce with the sex partner of her choice. If not him, then someone else as deserving or more so.”

    5. ADLegend21

      wow a year (our time) and she was so into him.

    6. Throwatron

      Wow. He really gave her exactly what she wanted, just not how she expected him to.

  12. audkitten

    I want them to stay friends. I want that more than anything

    1. Skunksia

      So no poly? ;w;

      1. Jon

        If you can’t be friends with your poly partners, who can you be friends with?

  13. Bill Erak

    OH NO, THE DUMPING STAIRS!!! RUN JOE, RUN!

    1. NGPZ

      one simply cannot escape the Dumping Stairs :(

      1. Jess

        I think they’d have to be running up the down dumping elevator for that to be the case…

        1. Jess

          I think they’d have to be running up the down dumping ESCALATOR for that to be the case.That being said, there’s definitely no running in the elevator either.

        2. Icalasari

          Not with THAT attitude, there isn’t!

  14. EpochFlame

    guess it really is over. good end(?)

    1. NGPZ

      dunno, we can only assume they hit all the right flags somewhere offscreen

      1. thejeff

        If so, offscreen was definitely a choice for that promised talk

  15. Newlland(Henryvolt)

    There’s your talk…so we good?

    1. thejeff

      What am I missing? How is this the talk that Joyce had promised him? Twice now.
      I would expect that talk to at least mention his poly offer.

  16. Pocky

    So yeah; this can only go well!

    1. clif

      Maybe.

      Don’t trust the Dumping Stairs.

  17. StarryMoon

    This really is not how I imagined their talk to go

  18. Foxtastic

    Oof, but a good oof. Cathartic oof?

    I was definitely expecting some drama with Joyce not dumping him, and trying to make the poly thing work. I’m glad that’s not what’s happening. The way things have gone down so far was not the right foundation for making a poly relationship work.

    Maybe they could circle back! But I don’t think Dorothy will be into that, so we’ll see.

    1. Zaxares

      Ehhh… I wouldn’t say it’s cathartic, but at least we have closure. I still feel that Joyce did not do right by Joe, but it seems that Joe is ready and willing to forgive Joyce and let her be happy with Dorothy, so if he’s bowing out gracefully, that is his choice and we must respect that.

      1. anonymsly

        Yeah, same. I think I’m now hoping for a Joe/Sarah take two down the line. I like Sarah and Tony but I’m not sure I see much future for them. I think Tony, while being a genuinely decent dude who tries to do right (or so he has been presented to us thus far) may be too rigid for Sarah in the end. I think she needs more shades of grey (and/or more tolerance for mess) than Tony allows in himself.

      2. Sirksome

        Sincere question here. What do people want here as far as a cathartic end to Joe and Joyce’s relationship? I personally think Joe getting angry would be out of character so I’m just curious at what a satisfying ending for Joe and Joyce looks like? I think this is it.

        1. thejeff

          1) More drama with an actual attempt at poly.
          2) Lots more drama with Joyce cheating on Dorothy with Joe.
          3) More seriously, at least some sign that Joe isn’t actually okay here. That his first attempt at a relationship ending in being cheated on bothers him more than he’s letting on.

        2. Big Z

          I said it elsewhere, but this feels like the END of a conversation that I would’ve liked to have seen more of on-camera. As it stands, it’s pretty anti-climactic for something Joyce has been consciously avoiding for days.

  19. Ray

    Sompin’ tells me a part of Joe wants to say, “I wish I could be YOUR Sex Monster”…. but then again. he’s got an image to uphold……

    1. Wack'd

      🎶 I WANNA BE
      BWAMP BWWAAAAP
      YOUR SEX MONSTER
      BWAMP BWAAAAAAAAAP
      WHY DON’T YOU CALL MY NAME 🎵

      1. Allotrope

        ahhhhhh right in my childhood <3

  20. Rakeesh

    I wonder how much Joyce actually believes her own rhetoric on the importance of being with Dorothy (‘history’s greatest hero’). It’s not the first time she’s said something like that. Obviously it’s important *to her,* but she seems determined to attached, like, cosmic significance to her getting together with Dorothy.

    Actually, it’s *very* on brand for a Christian fundamentalist-turned-atheist. The world is *literally* about her, she’s just subtracted Jesus. I would say this is ‘teenagers in love’ hyperbole, but the fact is not every teenager or young adult talks about their relationships like this.

    1. anonymsly

      Joyce has already tried, more than once and to Dorothy’s face, tried to rewrite ‘being in the same room briefly before we actually met’ as ‘our eyes met and we knew instantly that we were MADE FOR EACH OTHER and in FOREVER LOVE FOREVER’. To her credit, Dorothy tried to shut that down, but imo it was pretty clear that Joyce’s takeaway was ‘aw, Dorothy’s still fighting destiny, that’s so sweet’.

      The danger of Joyce opting out of self-awareness of this tendency of hers is that *when* she breaks up with Dorothy (possibly to likely due to a new forever-love-at-first-sight-never-ever-been-another deal) it will be super messy. Joe is the least mess-making person for Joyce to do this to, but Dorothy won’t be. And the fact that Joyce is getting a YOU GO GIRL from the vast majority of her acquaintance now is only going to add to that future mess.

  21. Chrissy

    Joe is a good egg. He hurts but he’s trying.

  22. Sirksome

    I feel like more people were dumped on the dumping stairs than the tag is showing. It’s kind of just Danny. Is he the only one who has been dumped at the dumping stairs? I also think it happened to Danny twice at the stairs. Was Walky dumped at the stairs or was that like a field or something? I know he was also dumped at the Halloween party. Maybe these stairs are false advertising.

    1. Wack'd

      the real answer is that tagging all the old comics is going very, very slowly

      1. clif

        Ambitious tho.

  23. Rachel

    Oh my god I love today’s. Could it really happen, joyrothy with a side of gentle joe??? I don’t know I just really like Joe lately

  24. Stormtide Leviathan

    I know they’ve been called that a lot already but the “dumping stairs” location tag definitely adds a layer of comedy here

  25. Bryy

    This is so sad. I like that they are breaking up well, but it should not have happened like this.

    1. NGPZ

      ngl I think it has lot to be desired too
      on the other hand I’m glad at least we have closure :(

  26. Thing 2

    NICE ‘camera’ angles there, Willis!

  27. Shogo

    I don’t recall Joe ever playing wingman for Joyce and Dorothy, so the characters acting like he did is genuinely confusing to me.

    1. Wack'd

      here’s the start of the convo where he tells dorothy to accept her feelings for joyce

      and here’s the comic where he says joyce/dorothy smooches were the intended outcome

      1. Odo

        Specifically what Joe “told” Dorothy to do was “Be honest with yourself”, and then he said “I just remember a time when I was in denial about wanting Joyce, and all the jerky, hurtful decisions I made to try to bury it. To convince myself otherwise. I just, y’know, empathize”

        When I read that comment it really doesn’t come across like “wingmanning” to me. It is more Joe being super empathetic to Dorothy, even when she was sending his GF salacious photos.

        And then when he comments later saying he “told her to” that comes across a lot more as a cope, than an objective statement of fact. It seems to me that is Joe is finding it easier to blame himself than to consider that maybe he wasn’t treated with the respect he deserves.

        I think it is interesting how Joe is demonstrating how the characters are unreliable narrators in the story. Both how their perceptions change over time as they recontextualize the past (see Joyce’s fantasy over seeing Dorothy for the first time) and how their present interpretations are biased by their personal motives.

        1. Li

          I mean, it IS possible that Joe is being an unreliable narrator, even to himself, but until we get a stronger hint on that front, I think the Occam’s Razor explanation for this seeming discrepancy is: “Joe knew that Dorothy would NOT react well to being directly encouraged to make a move on Joyce, so he instead tried to push past what he correctly deduced was a big ole wall of denial, and waited for Joyce to make the first move instead, something he suspected she was pretty close to doing, based on some things Joyce had already said to them, and a few months of observation.”
          .
          Again: unreliable narrator is also possible! But I think “Joe correctly judged that Dorothy was going to kind of freak out just over being asked directly and in a non-joking way if she had feelings for Joyce, so any further nudging was going to be a nonstarter” is kind of sufficient explanation so far.

      2. RedCat

        That did not register as trying to get his girlfriend to get with Dorothiy, to me, tbh.

  28. PilkScientist

    Joe has finally learned that the most sexually and emotionally gratifying thing one can do, is facilitate loving passionate and repeated lesbian sex in a stable long-time-coming relationship.

    Only now, having learned this, can Joe truly begin down the path towards having this too.

  29. Li

    Bawwww. 🥹🥹🥹
    .
    (I still want these kids to try poly, but either way this exchange got to me.)

    1. Florence

      It’s very sweet

      1. Li

        Yes ❤️ like, whatever happens next, I baww’d.

    2. nadamás

      Certainly love it. (Btw sorry to bring it up the thing we talked about the other day about finding your name, it doesn’t seem like my browser have the thing you mentioned, or that I didn’t get where to find it).

      1. Li

        You’re fine! No need to apologize.
        .
        FWIW I see the option in iOS Chrome in the same place — a little caret on the magnifying glass. It might be somewhere else on Android?
        .
        I’m holding out hope for getting grav roulette back, so I’m reluctant to change my display name :c

        1. nadamás

          Nope seem like i don’t have it
          Oh well, nothing to be done about it.

        2. Li

          :( Are you on Android? I know you mentioned Chrome as your browser.

    3. Dandi Andi

      I do think they’d be a cute polycule, but I’m not sure any of them are ready for it. Even though I am solidly in the camp of “the cheating was not that bad”, Joyce has twice now shown an inability to respect the boundaries of a monogamous relationship. And I find that very forgiveable, it is still an impediment to trust. Same goes for Dorothy’s treatment of Walky. And I’m still sore about Joe’s do list. I think they’ve all got some more growing to do before is be excited about a Joe/Joyce/Dorothy polycule.
      .
      (Even as I write that, I’m still imagining it. Joyce is craving attention and touch but Dorothy needs a weekend to study. So instead Joe takes her out for a lovely date and brings her back to his room to smash that dopamine button. Everybody wins! Dorothy gets to study, Joyce gets dopamine, and Joe is thrilled just to be included.)
      .
      The polycule I’m actually hopeful for is Joe/Sarah/Tony. I know I just got done saying I didn’t feel great about Joe in a polycule, but I think that he’s done enough to rebuild trust with Sarah. That, and Sarah will absolutely not tolerate any amount of bullshit from him. I think they’d do really well for each other. That, and I’d love to see the look on Raidah’s face when she sees Sarah walking down the hall flanked by her no-nonsense short king on one side and her giant doting labrador of a boyfriend on the other like the absolute goddess she is.

      1. Li

        Oh let me be very clear, I expect it to be clumsy and messy and potentially heartbreaking for a WHIIILE, at the very least. I would love to see them eventually as a happy and functional ‘cule, but in the meantime I am indulging in my own trash goblin who craves mess tendencies.
        .
        Like, imma soft touch, I don’t want them to be sad FOREVER, but I’m definitely on board for some drama and some miscommunication and a lot of clumsy growing together and making mistakes in the process ❤️

      2. Li

        That said: I would love to see Sarah stay winning, as they say? I’m also still very interested in seeing more of Rachel, though not necessarily in a romantic way, where Joe is concerned… Willis has planted a couple of seeds there that I’m looking forward to seeing come to fruition.
        .
        I’m now wondering what I think Sarah actually WANTS, relationship-wise, apart from someone taller than her who delivers in the bedroom. (And I’m much more sympathetic on that first point, now that it’s finally occurred to me that it’s not because she just wants someone tall, but because she herself is so tall, and she’s suffering from not feeling feminine enough. Only compounded by the whiteness of American beauty standards.)
        .
        Like I’m not against her and Joe becoming an item? I’ve liked their friendship just as I’ve liked his friendship with Dina! I’m just suddenly realizing I’m not sure I know what Sarah would want as a character, for her part.
        .
        (She’s also allowed some mess and drama and miscommunication and stuff! I don’t have any compunctions about hoping for things a character wouldn’t want. It just made me think? If that makes sense.)

  30. darkoneko

    oh Joe…

  31. zee

    They should fuck

    1. Mitzi B.

      Joyce….. You’ve cheated once, you can do it again! Messier this time!

      1. AC

        …this possibility is so damn intriguing lmao

  32. GistOfSpirit

    …Are they looking at me?

  33. Sirksome

    Is this the breakup? I’m considering this the breakup. Even if they haven’t signed the official breakup contract in their own blood and sacrificed it to hell to seal the demon lord of broken relationships in their eternal slumber. But seriously I think this is a nice place to end it and they can both move forward from here without a cloud of uncertainty or “they’re poly” ideas. Just moving forward still as friends and looking back at their brief time as a couple with more positive memories than negative. I think enough people are either mad for Joe or mad at Joyce that he doesn’t have to be and frankly I wouldn’t want him to be. I think ending it here is the best outcome.

    1. thejeff

      How is this breakup? This certainly isn’t clearer than the original breakup scene. The cloud of poly is still there. They don’t even mention breakup or the poly thing again.
      What am I missing here?
      Is it just that they’re talking without an explicit “We’ll have the real talk later”?

      1. Sirksome

        I’m not sure a clean and definitive break is going to happen. For all I know we cut away from here next strip. If that’s the case I think Joe and Joyce seem fine and there has been no indication from either that they’re still together. I’m just saying if they don’t directly address anything in this moment they have alone together I’m perfectly fine accepting that and moving on like hopefully they both have. Joyce acknowledged Joe helped get her with Dorothy that seems like a clear enough indication of who she wants to be with now. Joe is happy she’s happy, now l want him to find his own. I’ll let the other characters be mad about this.

        1. thejeff

          I guess. I don’t think there’s any real indication of closure here though. Maybe this could be the only strip we get of Joe and Joyce talking, but it would seem very anti-climactic for the set up.
          Seems more likely to me this is the start of “the talk”, rather than all of it.

  34. Dang Fool

    I couldn’t remember a Dumping Hall at IU. Maybe it’s new? Then the penny dropped.

  35. Odo

    Ahhh what riveting DRAMA

  36. Florence

    *Banging my cutlery in the table chanting* “MESS! MESS! MESS! MESS!”

    (The likely direction is breakup but I kind of hope Joyce commits to polyamory)

  37. Leaf

    Joe has had a front seat in seeing just how amazingly bad at monogamay folks can be, and how trying to force onself into relationship roles can come at the expense of what the individuals involved actually need from each other. There aren’t a lot of good role models out there for healthy relationship models, but Joe is really taking the time to listen to the people in his life and care about them. I’m honestly proud of him for proving love in this way.

  38. Zamperla

    Aw, these two.

    You know the funny thing? I know it’s a little gauche to talk about The Old And Different Continuity, but I’ve been rooting for joe a long, long time. And a moment like this makes me so happy. It feels like he really takes a moment to process, and feel things here. Even if he comes in with a little goof, it’s one very much in the playful but sincere spirit offered. Not to mention the vulnerability of Joyce even being able to talk about these things.

    But I’m really happy to see Joe take that moment. Like. Joe! Really feeling his own damn emotions!

    This really is a very rewarding webcomic to read. Like all this, Joyce is bi now, and this is the comic with CARLA in it. win win win win.

  39. Dave

    Everyone’s talking about this as a breakup but I really don’t see it. It still feels to me like Joyce has been suppressing the feelings she has for Joe on both an emotional and physical level, to avoid having to confront being split between two people.

    Also, like, she once had to change her underwear just from Joe touching her shoulders, feelings like that don’t just disappear overnight!

    1. Li

      Recency bias + Dumping Stairs + whatever you call the DoA commentariat’s penchant for assuming today’s strip is going to be the end of a scene, I think!

      1. Odo

        To be fair there have been a bunch of scenes lately that ended before I suspected, so it doesn’t seem unreasonable to assume any strip might be the last we see of a particular interaction.

        1. Yumi

          Yeah, I was thinking this, too. Often those parts that cut away before getting to what I thought/hoped we were going to get aren’t just one strip, though– though for others they might be.

        2. Li

          I mean, it always MIGHT be the end of an interaction! I was just answering the question, heh, in terms of what’s up with so many people assuming it will be.
          .
          I think it could go either way. I also think that a lot of scenes that we’ve cut away from still aren’t “done”. We’ll get more from Raidah, we’ll get more from Asma, we’ll get more from Dina — just maybe not within the next few days, you know?
          .
          A lot of the predictions that we will specifically cut away from or terminate an interaction lately also seem to come from a place of being deeply out of sync with Wilis in terms of storytelling priorities, i.e. desperately wanting more of Joe and Joyce’s interactions while actively not wanting to see Joyce and Dorothy together.
          .
          I am confident that Willis has bigger plans for Joe, and I’m content (even happy) with getting lots more Dorothy/Joyce interactions in the meantime, so I’m not worried about how fast we get more of this particular plot thread — but it’s not like it’s super hard for me to imagine feeling differently!

  40. Acher4

    *snickers thinking of the constant tries in the comments to paint Joyce as a monster because Joe didn’t know they were seperated*

    ahahahaAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

    1. thejeff

      That’s been very rare, though some similar things have been misinterpreted as that.
      It’s been clear since the morning after that Joe knew that, whatever their own situation was, Joyce was with Dorothy now.
      It’s been more common to argue that Joyce should have told Dorothy she might not be quite as broken up with Joe as Dorothy assumes.
      I don’t see anything today to change any assumptions, though hopefully this is the start of the talk she’s been putting off.

    2. Newlland(Henryvolt)

      Is denial and not knowing the same thing?
      He knew, he just holding out for hope that wasn’t there.

  41. Intragalactic

    That’s sweet

  42. SaffronComic

    The fact that Joe actively tried to push Dorothy into Joyce’s arms, something he kind of implied before and Joyce is explicitly thanking him for here, is perhaps the single most fascinating part of this entire storyline. It’s not even that he’s forgiven Joyce, he actively wanted this outcome, and I’d kind of like to see a bit more diving into why. It’s selfless, but he’s not really conflicted about it at all, and I think the fact that Joyce dating Dorothy means she’d break up with him was something that (on some level) he saw as a plus. Dude straight-up doesn’t want to be happy. Probably because he doesn’t think he deserves it, I guess?

    1. Wack'd

      he just wants her to have the things she wants

  43. SomeOfTheJuice

    This certainly sucks to see for Joe, but of all possible outcomes between Joe and Joyce after Joyce and Dorothy became a thing, this is probably the least messy one. A tragic acceptance and return to being simply trusting friends. Joe, it may not be with Joyce, but true love will find you in the end.

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