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  1. BOWLING!!!!! LET’S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

    1. You know, Joyce is way ahead of Dorothy on regular platonic female friendships. She had Becky as an example.

      1. That’s an equally bad example….

        1. That’s The Joke, I believe.

    2. the bowling arc is finally started

      1. Thus begins the shift to a full-time bowling comic

        1. From here on out, the format will shift to an ever-changing cast of characters, sitting on the benches, making small talk and occasionally commenting on the off-screen character whose turn it is. As DoA can carry on for quite some time as a successful comic on the strength of everyone’s enjoyment of the characters themselves, this will inspire imitators.
          And thus, “Bowling Comics” will become the new Gamer Comics, replacing the soft sofa with hard benches, and video game references with obscure bowling rule references.

        2. this was a psyop from big bowling ball all along

        3. Oh no, it became a sports manga.

  2. I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams

    happy birthday to me i just learned that IU has their own friggin’ bowling alley i guess

    1. I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams

      There’s nothing wrong about that btw, i just always find it funny whenever a university has the means to function as it’s own city-state

      1. Alternately: when the university slowly over decades subsumes the city it’s in so that by a century out the entire city *will* be the University

        1. OngoingConversation

          And when it meets with other towns, other cities, it takes them into itself, absorbs them until soon there is no land left …

        2. That is basically my old college of SCAD and how a good quarter of the buildings in Savannah belong to the college. Last time I visited Savannah in 2019 the college had bought a whole city block and was going to demolish it to make dorms, which greatly saddened me because one of the buildings on the block was this awesome sushi restaurant that I went to whenever I had a bad day. RIP Wasabi’s.

        3. On the other hand, back in the day having a bowling lane in the student center wasn’t at all uncommon. I have no idea nowadays.

        4. feels like that here in Raleigh sometimes

        5. Over half of Bloomington’s population consists of IU students, faculty and employees. Then there’s all the businesses that exist mostly to serve students. They do have some other significant businesses, but many of them were attracted precisely because of IU. The town would a wide spot in the road without the university

    2. Happy birthday to you!
      The world is a zoo!
      We wish you a great party!
      And some bowling balls too!
      🥳 🪅 🎉 🎂 🎈 🎊 🎁 🎳

    3. IU has its own bowling team! Idk how well-regarded they are.

      1. Indiana Tech is 7th amongst collegiate bowling teams nationally, so pretty good. Bloomington on the other hand don’t feature.

    4. I didn’t know about a bowling alley when I was a grad student there, or I don’t remember it. But there were 28,000 undergrads (even more now), plus 7,000 grad students; it’s basically a small town inside the town. So I’m not shocked that it would have some town-like amenities.

    5. That’s not that unusual. There was one at the University Center where I went to school.
      I say was because they decided the building wasn’t fancy enough a decade or so ago and bulldozed it. The new building does not have one.

    6. I went to a big university (not IU) and rumor has it that there was a bowling alley deep in the bowels of the student union. But you needed, like, a membership to go there, I guess. I never saw it with my own eyes.

      Also: Bowling, rollerskating, AND trampolining? Joyce’s youth group sounds lit.

    7. The University of Arizona student union has been totally redone since I was a student back in what the kids call, “The Late 1900s”, but back when I went there we had a bowling alley and pool hall.

  3. Accurate, one of the only times I went bowling (outside of birthday parties) was when my freshman roommate, who did a Youth Group thing, had a bowling event and she invited me with. Which is a shame cause I honestly enjoy bowling… I’m shit at it, but it’s fun.

    1. Bowling is absolutely one of those things that can be very fun, even if you’re utter crap at it. I’ve bowled on rare occasions since my 20s (did a bit more as yout’), and I’m not sure I’ve ever broken 150. But I’ve enjoyed every game I ever played, just because it’s a good option to socialize with a small group of friends.

      1. That’s very true, bowling makes for a great lax environment to get together, enjoy some tasty food, and shoot the shit while waiting for your turn to bowl.

  4. Oh shit. Didn’t think we’d get to this bowling alley until September.

  5. You know, it occurs to me that I’ve gone roller skating easily a dozen times in my mife, and I still can’t skate. I was always the guy slowly going around the room within arms reach of the wall.

    And awkwardly trying to participate in the Chicken Dance.

    1. Oh yeah, I preferred to roll over to the carpeted arcade area where I was less like likely to fall and also could play arcade games.

    2. Keep your knees bent, your toes pointed outward in a V, and shift your weight from one leg to another without lifting them! Keeping the knees bent is the single best step to start skating, personally. It’s easier to keep balance and control your fall if you start to lose. (There are also youtube videos with cool ladies demonstrating how to skate).

      More related to the comic, I feel like rollerskating and bowling are somehow connected activities? The smooth, smooth floor and high probability to smash a finger.

    3. Rollerskating I learned quite easily, even though I only started as an adult. Rollerblading too.
      Iceskating? Not so much.
      Tried four times, injured myself falling three of them. It looks so effortless and fun. *sigh*

      1. Huh. That’s the weird combination to me. Because I’d ice skated for forever once I tried rollerblading and rollerblading was exactly the same. Then I tried non-inline skates and absolutely could. not. move. Rollerblading and ice skating for me are identical other then temperature and Do Not Snowplow Stop on rollerblades. Roller skating, though? Completely different animal.

    4. The first, and last, time i went roller skating i broke my arm, and have been terrified of skates ever since

  6. The moment when Dorothy realized that this is one area of society where Joyce was more well-adjusted than she was.

    1. So you’re saying she;s out of her element?
      What, it’s a bowling arc, Big Lebowski quotes are inevitable!
      I’m just trying to…get the ball rolling!

      1. Who ends up with Mike’s ashes blown back in their face?

        1. Dunno, but I got my first partner’s ashes back in the face despite carefully throwing them to leeward.

        2. I approve of the Mike reference, with no idea where it came from.

        3. Those Mike references really tie the comments together.

        4. iiirc Mike was buried? :0

      2. One of these days I want to do Indiana Lebowski as a Halloween costume.
        “Like, it belongs in a museum, man!”
        “This rug ties the whole tomb together.”

      3. All these years and i never noticed the easy “out of your league” joke that movie never made until now.

  7. Real question. Do they remember why they were going bowling in the first place? Did that stuff happen off panel?

    1. Very possible. I don’t know if we’re out of the stage where Asma/Raidah comics are being inserted into an already written buffer, and even if we are, assuming the joke is that they asked Sal instead I see the sense in structuring it so we get the punchline during the date.

      1. But did they even remember to invite Sal. Last we saw Sal she was talking to Joe.

    2. Dorothy put it in her planner, put a post-it note on the cover of her planner, and put a reminder in her phone to check her planner.

      1. Like Dorothy and Joyce don’t already have a shared calendar.

  8. Also the talk with Joe that Joyce keeps putting off is going to be over her head like a Sword of Damocles every time she appears in a strip isn’t it

    She’s going to be making dinner and people are going to be all “before talking to Joe?!?? Hisssss”

    1. I don’t think that talk is going to make much of a difference at this point to anyone except the audience.

      1. True, but that’s the point. Seeing Joyce being willing to have the conversation, regardless of what comes from it, is her respecting Joe’s feelings.

        Every time she ignores it is her ignoring his feelings, for sometimes reasonable (usually not) reasons.

      2. Who but the audience is relevant?
        Those characters are all just narrative vehicles, painstakingly constructed for us readers. They are not people, just mirror-neuron induced transissible memes meant for us to empathize.
        And yes, this… “morality question” resulting from an indecisive, interrupted talk was very deliberately meant to make readers question and fight.
        Y´know, good art making people engage, think, exchange reception…

        1. Good Lord, you mean they are not real?

    2. They’re never getting to the fireworks factory serious talk. :(

    3. Unless somethings already been deleted, you’re the first (and only?) person to bring it up.

    4. I just realized that if Sal does come she’s bringing Danny with her. It’s karaoke all over again!

  9. Last panel Joyce is adorable and very funny.

    It’s amusing that for so long people were arguing that Joyce was straight and just acted gay because Becky warped her idea of what friendship was supposed to look like, and now Dorothy’s admitting that actually applies to her.

    They forgot to ask Sal to come, didn’t they?

    1. I doubt they forgot to ask Sal, since the mix up of having her come is more interesting than her not coming, but it does seem odd not to put a strip showing that in somewhere.

      1. We just had three strips with Sal in them where Joyce and Dorothy were being discussed, and she didn’t mention being invited to hand out with them that evening, which seems more than a bit strange. It’s not impossible, but it’s strange.

  10. Has she ever been to Spain?

    Did she kinda like the music?

  11. So uh did thy tell Sal that this was happening or did they just bail on doing the one thing Asma asked of them

    1. Or Alice but they probably think Asma meant Sal

      1. What are the odds of some convenient and or wacky development that absolves them here?

        1. For a couple of atheists, they’ve sure got the big guy upstairs looking out for them

    2. This is the sort of thing that makes sense to happen offscreen, especially if there’s going to be a switcheroo. If Sal is the punchline, having that be revealed when Asma learns it makes sense.

      1. Yeah but people ask about it a lot because the comic shows us stuff that could easily be skipped and skips over stuff that could be juicy plots on their own.

      2. The switcheroo is so obvious and so easily-guessed that I don’t think it’s worth holding close to the chest – and I think that Dorothy and Joyce inviting Sal could easily have been worked into a gag.

        1. It’s the sort of thing you can get away with holding close to the chest, especially if you don’t have a good joke about it.

          The other factor is that I’m pretty sure this entire plotline was introduced in revisions after the buffer was complete, which probably encouraged being economical with how much strip-time it got.

      3. I’m not a huge fan of important plot developments being excused or skipped because it happened off panel, especially when we’ve seen the characters and what they’ve been doing. We’ve been with Joyce most of the day and she’s even had scenes with Sal right next to her. If it’s following the setup swerve we’re just assuming Joyce or Dorothy asked Sal but not in any of the scenes they were together and Sal doesn’t mention it at all in her other scenes later?
        ———
        If they did manage to ask Alice then I think that’s also important enough to see or at least have someone mention because Joyce and Dorothy don’t really know Alice. Joyce has talked to her a few times buy does she have a way to contact her? I do think sometimes details matter when you’re establishing a sequence of events even if the payoff is a joke or you just get confusion.

  12. Oh, Lordy! She gonna hold the ball with both hands and swing it between her legs before throwing! Somebody get the gutter bumpers installed!

  13. High school bowling teams are absolutely a thing and would be put on a college application…but occasionally bowling for the heck of it, no, probably wouldn’t work that in.

    Also, Dorothy managing to have a non-social experience of high school cross-country is pretty difficult from what I remember, but I could definitely see it for her.

  14. Well, looks like Dorothy is still wearing what she had on the last time we saw her, so maybe they didn’t end up banging?
    Maybe?

  15. Well for you dotty, it seems to look like role-playing as their evil arch-nemesis.

    (Also joyce, you’re acting real smug for someone who’s also had that rug pulled out from under you twice now. Your first best friend was in love with you for who knows how long, and your second best friend *also* was in love with you, this time mutually.)

    Not sure why i decided to write this comment in second person, but I digress.

    1. As it turns out, the only people who have ever consistently tolerated Joyce on a regular basis, were madly in love with her. Her and Dorothy have, based on Dorothy’s self-report here, never actually had platonic friends? Joyce had Becky and nobody else, and Dorothy seemingly had nobody, period.

      1. Sarah, Jennifer, and Ethan would disagree.

        1. Sarah doesn’t really have much of a choice; Joyce is her roommate, and felt obligated to be her big sister figure, especially after they both went through the trauma of Joyce getting assaulted together.

          Jennifer pretty much only interacts with Joyce, when there’s something in it for Jennifer; I’m not saying they don’t count as friends, but to paraphrase Dorothy, Jennifer mostly ignores Joyce for long periods of time, until she swoops in and does one useful thing for Joyce, so that Jennifer gets to feel really useful. Jennifer is either being self-interested because she feels good solving a problem for Joyce, since she cares about being “the problem solver,” or otherwise she’s begging Joyce to vouch for her to another friend about how much she’s changed (she hasn’t).

          Has she actually interacted with Ethan at all, since he quit using her as his beard? I don’t really recall them spending any time together, after that.

          Either way, none of those really rise to the level of “consistently tolerate” except Sarah, who actually doesn’t have a choice, and also, is on the verge of being pretty sick of Dorothy and Joyce, right now XD

        2. @Throwmatron
          .
          I think you may be letting your satisfaction with your conclusion (“Joyce has always been insufferable”) cause you to rationalize away Doopyboop’s points.
          .
          Pretty sure that if you reread, you’d find “Sarah doesn’t have much of a choice about putting up with Joyce” to be… a reach.

  16. I think the proper syntax is “never BEEN bowling.”

  17. Were Dorothy’s parents the kind of high-pressure “get her into the *right* kind of preschool for success” types? Or did she just make herself like that as part of her ambitions?

    1. From what little we’ve seen of them, they don’t seem very high pressure at all. I remember one strip from Family Weekend where they said they just want Dorothy to be happy, and Dorothy said she wanted to make more of her life than they did, but I can’t find with the multi-tag not working.

      1. It’s entirely possible that Dorothy’s parents have always been chill, and supportive of whatever she wanted, but Dorothy’s perception was that the only logical actions to take in life, were the ones that maximized life successes, and so her parents supported those ambitions, and then she took that support as evidence that she had made the correct read on “how to live life correctly.”

        I sort of have this issue in retrospect with my own mother. I always felt very, very deeply that I needed to succeed, and try overwhelmingly hard, and only do things that would make me succeed in life, because I thought that I would be castigated or rejected by her. But, in my adult relationship with her, there just isn’t any evidence that she ever felt that way? I sort of think that I just had rejection sensitive dysphoria my whole life, and so I must have catastrophized about normal parental behaviors and corrections, reading them as a source of existential fear that my life would become hell if I was ever slightly disappointing to anybody.

        Every impression of Dotty’s parents we’ve gotten, has seemed to follow the pattern of “holy crap, we have no idea why our kid is so intense like this, but we also don’t know what to do about it, and it isn’t a bad way for her to be, per se; I mean, she’s really successful in school, and always motivated to give 110%, and everything she does as a result is explicitly behavior that should bring her success…so I guess we just support her, and maybe gently suggest, every now and then, that she doesn’t need to take everything so seriously?”

        But, because Dorothy is How She Is, her peers never seemed to like or accept her, and she never really understood why her focus on objectively doing whatever thing was most right for her future success, all the time, didn’t lead to people liking or accepting her, so that became fuel for her to double down on this view of what behaviors and habits were correct to have, and this mentality subsequently left her even more socially isolated, and lacking any internal drive to connect with those around her.

        Really, just classic stuff for an academically-gifted kid with social deficits that go unnoticed and untreated, due to psychological intervention being heavily focused on kids who are failing academically, and those who are thriving academically being assumed to be “on the right track.”

  18. the proper term for “bowling” is “kegling”. a “bowler” is a “kegler”.

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/kegling

    1. The crossover jokes with Kegel exercises just write themselves, don’t they.

      1. Leading to the well known drinking tune, Who’ll Come a Kegging With Keglers With Me?

      2. Alright….let’s not try to SQUEEZE too much out of this thread, OK?

    2. There’s an interesting Gravatar.

      1. Interesting is a word.

      2. The swastik and om (🕉) have been used both together and separately by Hindus for a long, long time

        1. And then the swastik was completely ruined by the nazis.

          There are lots of lovely ancient Hindu/Buddhist/Jain symbols that won’t make Westerners wonder whether you’re also a nazi, so, maybe you want to pick one of those.

        2. Fuck Hitler, honestly. It sucks that he got to steal that particular symbol for his atrocities and now a massive portion of the world has to say “Yes, Hitler and the Nazis get to have it. That’s not ours anymore, now” or get side-eyed.

        3. @ Leorale – maybe those westerners should learn how to tell the difference (or use reverse image search) rather than asking two billion people to stop using an ancient religious symbol because it’s not “lovely” to them.

        4. Leorale, I believe you’ve mentioned that you’re Jewish before, so from one Jew from another I’d like to lightly chastise you and say that of all people we should be willing to extend people grace and freedom to use their religious iconography without judgment. Anyone with any knowledge of the world can see the swastika and om and know immediately that the person using it is probably Hindu, not Nazi.

        5. like, as a fellow Jew, here be my two cents on this

          like, it’s OKAY if ya wanna reclaim a symbol or word for the sake of restoration and empowerment — Kami only knows how I and a couple of my autistic homies sometimes reclaim the R-slur from people who use it to hurt us

          that being said, however, is good to be mindful that outside that kinda context, in a place like this, anything resembling a fascist symbol can still make a lot of people around here very uncomfortable

          our goal here is to create a safe and inclusive space for many kinds of vulnerable people, and in today’s political climate, so many of us have so much to lose that benefit of the doubt is a luxury we just can’t afford anymore, ya know?

        6. … okay only NOW just seeing the om 🕉

          my sincere apologies for the misunderstanding

        7. Just to add my two cents to what NGPZ said.

          Yes obviously we want to create a safe space but I don’t think that should come at the expense of excluding other people’s cultures because others might mistake the symbols for those of hate because of their own ignorance.

          Even ignoring the Om in the center, it’s also clearly, visibly, not the same shape as the german swastika that was used by nazis. And while it’s up to all of us to be aware not to let dogwhistles fly under the radar. We shouldn’t take that so far as to straight up tell people not to bear their cultural and religious signs.

    3. I’m gonna be charitable and assume your use of that symbol in your avatar is the version of it used as a sign of good luck in Hinduism and other eastern religions. And hopefully not a version of that symbol that means support for the very evil ideology of Germany in the 1930s and 1940s.

      1. It has the Om symbol amd is multicolour so they are obviously Hindu

        1. It looks like a modified swastika with the number 30 in the middle.

        2. It’s funny, the shape would be much more obviously different at the ends, if the website update hadn’t given is these stupid obnoxious dipshit fuckass bullshit circular icons that don’t look good and ruin some of my best fucking Gravatar designs.

          I also thought it was a 30, to be honest, but that’s purely my own ignorance about most things religious and/or Eastern.

        3. @jon educate yourself?

          Google om symbol and swastikas in Hinduism and Buddhism

      2. Agree with the other comentator, looks like they have the OM symbol in the middle which is buddhist/hindu. Mind you, in east asia we recognize the difference between a Buddhist swastika and a Nazi one.

      3. But not charitable enough not to mention it, despite what is fairly obvious.

        1. Mentioning it means also communicating to other commenters that there is a benign context for the symbol. It’s thus worth mentioning, because many folks legitimately only are familiar with the infamous version.

        2. Can mention it in a less aggressive/superior manner!

        3. @Thing 2: Maybe you could be more charitable in your interpretation.

  19. This one is kind of cute.

  20. So a couple of things
    Dorothy may literally only have had Danny and Joe as her only meaningful non-academic social interactions in High School.
    Seems like she didn’t have any girlfriends or a girl best friend at all, at least not past elementary or middle school, given the way she phrased it.

    1. Joe is apparently the closest Dorothy had to a friend that she wasn’t sleeping with. (Assuming her mysterious “I’ve been with three people” third sex partner, non-Danny and non-Walky, wasn’t a fling with Joe at some point.)

      Joe’s your best friend, Dorothy. Suck it up. (And you stole his girlfriend.)

  21. That alt-text, tho

  22. more good news,

    I am FINALLY back on my PC with a setup which can accommodate my inflamed leg, although given my low energy levels cuz of meds and anemia it’ll be a while before I can get back to full swing of things TT-TT

    oh yeah might as well craft me a new avatar to go with these… trying times
    like fuck imma give my ID to YouTube, suck my dick

    1. I hope you’re feeling better, for what little well wishes from a stranger on the internet are worth.

      1. I mean it’s a mixed bag
        I can have it down below my heart more but my leg still hurts like fuck and it’s started oozing and scabbing again (Sweets Syndrome)

        additionally I have C. Diff infection, so taking meds for that, over halfway through the 10 day med regime now, hopefully i can get through without this killing me, I can’t even get my first iron transfusion until this is cleared

        FUN FUN FUN @~@

        1. Whatever you did to get into this situation, stop doing it!

          Useful advice, I know.

        2. you mean using antibiotics when unnecessary? NO SHIT!

          wouldn’t even be dealin with this had I known what this actually WAS any sooner

          hindsight is 20/20 I guess,

          *audible sigh*

  23. Dorothy, are you starved for platonic touch?. I think you might want to ask Danny about that, though he probably isn’t thrilled with you right now.

  24. Also, Dorothy, girl, you had Sierra for months, do you guys just not talk anymore?

    1. Sierra’s one of the nicest, most casual, most laid-back people in the building, and by the end of a single semester rooming with Dorothy she was Stepford-smiling.

      1. “So you’re saying that Dorothy and Joyce have always literally been chores to be around, for everybody they’ve ever known, to the point of being almost anti-social in the way they interact with others?”

        “Always have been.”

        Everyone was convinced Dorothy and Joyce backslid into being self-centered, amoral, and annoying. No, the text was always clear about this: they are those things. They just got the benefit of being framed as main characters, and also were the types of people to constantly externalize the ways in which they believed they were morally superior to others, and we as the readership took what they said at face value, because of the framing. Their social incompetence was played for laughs, and its nature as a punchline, softened the perception of how very real it actually was. It felt like it was “exaggerated for the purpose of punchlines,” but actually, it wasn’t exaggerated in the slightest, at any point XD

        1. You gotta stop bringing so much truth.
          (please don’t, I love it.)

        2. Calling Joyce and Dorothy amoral for the crime of *checks notes* cheating and being a bit messy, is a bit much. Annoying and self-absorbed? Sure, they both have those issues. But amoral? You know what amoral means, right? Just because they’re not acting the way you want them to or that you would in that situation doesn’t make them amoral. Joyce in particular is a very morally firm character who doesn’t like seeing people treated unfairly. The cheating thing is a big blind spot for her but one blind spot does not amoral make.

        3. Both of them have a huge desire to be moral, and a huge need to be seen as moral. And, before they were both traumatized and spiraling, they maintained moral behavior with relative consistency, purely through following the obsessive sets of rules that they made up for themselves (Dorothy), or were externally prescribed to them (Joyce).

          But, now both of them are trying out behaving in a way that isn’t constrained by those rigid moral systems they had inside them…and they are not doing very well at it, and keep making choices that are ultimately selfish, even where their underlying intentions are still good. So, if “amoral” is too harsh a way to describe that to you, subjectively, that’s completely fair. But I definitely wouldn’t call either of them good moral actors right now, because they’re actually in the stage of their lives where they are practicing being so, for the very first time.

        4. To riff on what Throwatron’s saying, there’s a big gulf between “amoral” and “immoral”. And it’s fair to say that our leading ladies are occasionally allowing self-discovery and/or self-centeredness to push them into the former without necessarily accusing them of the latter.

          Speaking on a personal level, my own experience growing up very religious and then turning into an atheist in college led me to making several (different, granted) mistakes than Joyce in particular during my transition from “rule-follower” to “being with a self-managed moral sense”. It’s not easy, and I’d certainly characterize some of my own behavior as amoral in that period, while also asserting that I didn’t do anything as definitively unethical as Joyce’s cheating in particular.

        5. When you realize your moral code is fundamentally flawed, and you need to make drastic changes, your only option is to take a hammer to it, and piece together a new moral framework from scratch. This means there’s a period where you don’t HAVE a moral framework, and you’re kinda just doing what feels right. THATS where these girls are right now, helping each other find new rules to live their lives by. They’ll get better. They’re both still so young.

  25. I’ve decided that this bowling scene is the reason my parents divorced.

  26. When I was in high school, for our senior year our required gym class had five activities and we were supposed to do three of them for three weeks each until the quarter was over. One of them was bowling, and the only thing that mattered to our grade was showing up on time. There was no grading based on number of pins knocked down, we just had to be outside the gym for the bus to pick us up and drop us back off. Easiest “Pass” I ever had. (And what’s surprising was there were some kids who failed EVEN THAT by skipping the class entirely.)

  27. Nico, cousin! Let’s go booowlliiiiinggg

  28. My high school gym class had a week where we went bowling at the local bowling place. I wasn’t into sports as a kid and wasn’t very good at them, but I still went bowling during that week of gym class, and I even played an old bowling video game. I guess I’m kinda surprised that Dorothy has never gone bowling before, since in my experience it’s a sport you can play very casually, even if you were more focused on studying than sports in school.

    1. It’s a group activity, and Dorothy is suggesting she never had much of a group.

    2. hahaha i sucked at it lots until the last couple years

      was going to Round One with my friend a lot so got a lot of practice

      by the end of September, got to the point to which i was able to score 100+ consistently, even without rails

  29. Don’t worry, Dorothy, no one you know does either. Just fake it ’til you make out.

    1. Is that how it goes? — I’ve been doing it wrong.

  30. Dorothy’s been to paradise, but she’s never been to she.
    (Obscure, weird joke that you may need to be old to get.)

    1. Possibly a necessary but not sufficient condition. I’m old, but….

      1. [html]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27ve_Never_Been_to_Me[/html]
        If the kids know this one, it’s because it was featured in Priscilla: Queen of the Desert, but that’s old too.

  31. This is very funny. I like this one

  32. We all have different life experiences that give us different strengths. I learned how to practice law before I learned to change a tire.

    1. I learned to spin fire and walk on stilts before I learned to drive a car.

  33. The last panel was especially heartwarming for me (in a pleasantly amusing/fuzzy/tickly way).

  34. Joyce knows Dorothy’s shoe size? Of course she does. She knows every size from intimates through headbands..

  35. So Dorothy’s never done a bowl before. That’s fine. She can just watch what other people are doing, and learn the correct bowl movements by following their example.

  36. I’m surprised they could get that close to the lane with their normal shoes. Well, rule of environemental display and all that.

    1. My local bowling alleys only require bowling shoes on the hardwood play area; they don’t even care if you’re in your sneakers on the benches.
      Besides, they haven’t even checked in or rented their clown shoes yet.

  37. Dorothy you kinda said it yourself over the years — “I mostly know what I read about.”

  38. Okay, I like this strip. While I want more Joe and getting to wallow in his misery, this one I like.

  39. Dorothy doesn’t know how to bowl?!!

    This is BOWLPHOBIA!!!

    1. Your mom is bowlphobia!

      1. For a nickel?

    2. Excellently done. Take a bowl.

  40. So Joyce and Dorothy pratfalled into a relationship because Joyce’s idea of female friendship was warped by her best friend having a lifelong crush on her, and Dorothy had no idea what female friendship was like so she just treated Joyce’s obsessively clingy and needy behavior as normal. Yeah that tracks, I love it!

  41. Kay this one’s a fun interaction lol. And they’ll have to go back to get sal anyway bc they haven’t brought their “friend with the leather jackets and the hair”

    1. Would be funnier if they forgot about it and have to go at the last minute find Alice by chance and just take her anyway.

  42. um….weren’t they supposed to be going bowling with somebody?

    1. They just arrived first, I think. Joyce and Dorothy being Super Punctual seems on brand.

      Asma also seems like the punctual type. Asma’s probably already there with her bowling shoes on and has already thrown a strike or two.

    2. I think the idea is that they’re supposed to be meeting Asma and, presumably, Sal at the alley. It will be very funny if this means that Danny comes along. It will be hilarious if Danny invites Joe.

      1. I would think that, structurally, Danny storming off ranting about biphobia was meant as the explanation for why he wouldn’t randomly be tagging along with Sal.

    3. Did the even invite Sal?

  43. Pulling rug; munching rug. Eh, what’s the dif.

  44. Countdown to Big Lebowski references begins now

  45. Joyce: “Hey, I grew up sheltered by the Wacky World of Christian Fundamentalism, so I have no idea how things are supposed to work. It’s normal and ordinary for platonic friends to teach each other to masturbate, watch each other masturbate, and meticulously planning their laundry schedules in order to meet up to masturbate, right?”

    Dorothy, having absolutely no idea that she is confidently, stridently wrong: “Yes.”

    Ron Howard: “It was weird.”

    1. perfect, no notes

  46. Also, slightly insane to think:
    this comic started the same year just as I was finishing my undergraduate program. These kids would have been the incoming freshmen I took on campus tours as a senior.

    I recently celebrated my 15th anniversary in the field of education.

  47. Going back to yesterday and comments about pacing problems…

    Are we looking at where Danny was going? No.
    Are we paying attention to what is up with Walky and Amber? No.
    Are we delving more into Joe coping/Joe being totally fine with being cheated on? Still no.

    We are instead back to yet another scene of Joyce and Dorothy doing absolutely nothing remotely related to “Drama”.

    1. In some ways, I think the buffer is serving as a bit of an enemy to Willis, here. While having it takes a lot of the stress off of him, it does make course-adjustments much more difficult. He managed it, kind of, on the representation issue, but event that’s been less than smooth. Even if he were to agree that there’s been pacing issues, there’s just not a whole lot he can do about it without tossing out a year’s worth of work.
      Essentially, he’s trapped in the condition a buddy of mine calls, “Brakes are out, no point in steering!”

      1. That’s fair to say in terms of why its too late to fix now, but I kind of think that the pacing issue is really just a manifestation of a difference in what is considered most important.
        .
        I think when creating the buffer “Doyce being ‘cute'” strips were prioritized because that is content that Willis most wanted to create and that patreon supporters most wanted to see.
        .
        Which is certainly their perogative, I just think it was a bad creative choice.
        .
        And functionally, I think choosing to focus on the romantic feelings of the people who cheated on their partners, at the expense of focus on the people who were cheated on, serves to minimize/normalize cheating. It makes the harm less visible and focuses on the satisfaction it brings to the cheaters.
        .
        And since cheating is fundamentally a selfish choice, where the person is prioritizing their immediate desires over care or respect for others, having the story essentially mimic that perspective is concerning to me.
        .
        Joyce acted as if her immediate desires were more important than anything else… and the narrative essentially treats “Joyce” and her desires as more important than anything else.

      2. For the record, I think this isn’t a buffer issue.
        If I understand correctly, the whole bowling arc is an insert to give us more Asma and bring her more into the main cast. Jumping into it with another DoJo strip rather than having them meet Asma straight off is a choice, but we’ll see how it plays out.
        This admittedly doesn’t play into “Drama”, but it is set up for something.

    2. I think that’s because the core premise of this comic is that it’s supposed to be a comedy.

    3. “The main characters appeared in a comic” does not constitute a “pacing problem”.

      1. It certainly can, if it’s largely an ensemble cast and the proportions of screen time given to various characters changes in a way that’s less entertaining.

  48. In about 1980 I was in a church in North Carolina. The Youth Pastor stood up and gave a report: the youth group was planning to go bowling, then to Pizza Hut for pizza.
    An older member stood up like a shot: “Doesn’t that Pizza Hut sell BEER?!”

    The church erupted in loud voices. And and just like that, the youth group didn’t even get to go bowling.

    1. Christians are excellent at free-associating themselves out of experiencing the slightest bit of fun or joy

  49. I am bad at bowling, therefore it is the worst sport.
    It shares that places with all other sports I suck at, which is all.
    Im bad at sports.

    1. SAME. Although I do enjoy golf (on a good day, playing 18 holes I can score in the low 120s 😁).

  50. Sure you do, dorothy. You know becky.

  51. I note that the page no longer indicates what the current chapter and title are. This is vexing to me.

    1. agreed, please bring back the book and chapter titles mx. willis!

  52. yessssss bowling (asma) time

  53. Cross country isn’t very social if you are very tiny, very slow and arrive back well after everyone else.

  54. I demand that the alt-text immediately stop talking about carpetry.

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