This is the strip where she tells you she’s blindly following other people’s plans, though.
clif
Yeah, I noticed that.
Daibhid C
No, this is the strip where she tells you she’s following other peoples plans. She never said “blindly”.
Were you under the impression that the protest happened because all those people just … decided to show up randomly at the same time?
Li
“Blindly” is a word you keep inserting, it’s not actually present in any character’s dialogue.
Serendipity
Listening to the event organiziers is not “blindly following other people’s plans.” That’s how community organizing works.
clif
Okay, blindly is a bit of an over statement. There can be completely valid reasons for trusting other people’s judgement. None-the-less, just doing what other people say is a bit of a red flag for me. It implies that the decisions may not be personally vetted before acting on them. I’m perfectly willing to reserve judgement and wait for context if it becomes relevant, but it’s noted as a warning indicator.
Li
There is ALSO no implication that she isn’t personally vetting anything.
clif
It could easily be a turn of phrase, but “I just do” implies “that’s all I do.” It may not be a significant implication or worth worrying about yet, but it’s an implication.
Ever and Anonymous
I’ve been both an organizer and follower for serious nonviolent direct actions (NVDA). Organizing is best done in a core group that can hash out all the details thoroughly. If you’re not part of that small number but know that they’re basically competent and have a good track record, then you absolutely should follow them and ask only what’s needed to fill your role. Endlessly rehashing what’s already been fully discussed and decided (as is all too common) only aids the existing power structures.
If you truly have good reason to question the safety or effectiveness of the existing plan, then you can raise any valid objections in a succinct and timely manner. It’s very unlikely those will, or even can, be accommodated given the limited time and leadership capacity. If the action that’s been organized doesn’t feel worth the risk for you, then just run away from it. Staying to support any action that hasn’t been organized well enough also only helps the existing power structures.
All that said, when you have a group and a plan that works, NVDA can be great! It’s some of the hardest but most meaningful work I’ve ever done. (The fact they’re still talking around phones that could be compromised does require some serious suspension of disbelief though. Ugh.)
Li
It only implies that if you believe you live in a universe where anyone would ever actually say that and mean it.
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There are people who don’t think critically enough, and people who let whatever tell them what to believe, but do you really think even those people would actually say “I just do what I’m told” and mean it?
nadamás
You reading too much into something doesn’t nake it “an implication”.
Jocelyne and Dorothy are meeting up at a coffee shop to discuss plans for future resistance actions. Jocelyne says the resistance is thinking about holding a sit-in at Dean McHenry’s office.
I am sorry you are suffering through a migraine. I only get relatively mild ones and they are still agony.
Here’s hoping you go puke your guts out (that usually makes me feel better).
Dorothy and Jocelyn are talking about the ongoing protests demanding that university sponsors divest themselves from the Bulmerian conflict, with particular focus on information hygiene and taking steps to avoid putting out too much information that the authorities could use to move against the protesters.
Good luck with the endocrinologist. About 50 yrs. ago I started with my internist.
No shots just diethystibesterol which is not available any longer due to problems
with womb carriers and their offspring.
I mean this is all symbolic really. It’s not like any of these horrible US contractors NEED the investment money of Indiana University. It won’t affect their bottom line in the slightest. This is meant to simply not have their tuition go to bankroll bombings in Bulmeria. But it won’t SAVE anyone.
Which is kind of ironic because if Joycelyn was doing her own dastardly scheming, they could actually approach Carla about getting her parents to possibly take no more murder drone contracts–and possibly make a real difference. It could be where Dorothy learns a valuable lesson about power brokering and networking.
I don’t really care about all that, I just wanna see Jocelyne burn stuff with a flamethrower.
clif
That seems fair.
SadnessWithASmile
I feel like Carla might also appreciate the opportunity to make a flamethrower for Jocelyne. And possibly herself. Especially with the whole TV situation. So while I agree that seeing Jocelyne with a flamethrower would be delightful, I still think she should loop Carla in, because you know what’s better than a trans woman with a flamethrower? TWO trans women with flamethrowers!
There is no Joyce in Jocelyne. She’s not some kind of Joyce Lynn.
CT Phipps
Gasp! A typo! My apologies to the Jocelyns of the world.
Dwampre Scorrigank
In case you didn’t see it this is a reference to Joyce finding some old artworks labeled “Joyce Lynn” that were likely Jocelyne, possibly to hide herself using an under-the-radar name.
eh, whatever
They were not labeled “Joyce Lynn” – that was someone’s misreading without glasses of unclear handwriting.
Even Carla convincing her parents to pull their company out of those contracts isn’t going to make any real difference. Not in the short run and probably not in the long. From what she said earlier, they’re secondary contractors at worst. They make some systems that are used in missiles. Not clear whether that’s special built equipment for the military or if the missiles just include general purpose Ruttech components.
anon
plus i imagine there’d be some ‘shareholders’ issue or whatever/other ppl in the ocmpany that might overrule it somehow/cancel it out even if her parents are the owners of ruttech
Is it weird that I had difficulty reading this strip because my eyes kept wondering back to the very nicely drawn fish. It is jsut there, ineffibly tantalizing in the middle of panels, like: “Ignore these mortals, gaze upon me and know the infinte depths of pridomidal sea”
Pridomidal (adj.)
Describing the extreme, level of grumpiness experienced before one has consumed their first cup of coffee or tea. Example: “I am absolutely pridomidal until 9 a.m.”
Why yes, the pridomidal sea may very well have infinite depths.
Tony being a decent enough guy to spot Raidah being kinda sus is great and all, but we gotta eventually deal with the Sarah relationship troubles on the horizon with him being the dean’s son and all the genocide stuff. Like; I would hope Tony could see some reason, and put her before the old man, or even be sympathetic to the students who are dealing with this whole protest crackdown, but I get the feeling their relationship hasn’t been long enough to form that kinda bond yet.
On a side note,Jocelyn is lookin great, as always.
I figure we should have a few good years before Willis decides to retire and do a Transmogrifiers comic.
Li
Season finale != series finale.
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Like I don’t really agree with the idea that these are season finale vibes, but the kidnapping for example was a season finale.
clif
A fair point. When do you think the new season would pick up?
Li
Well, I don’t think this season is ending, haha. Just wanted to point out that a season finale isn’t the end of a show. 🙂
162 thoughts on “Tertiary”
Sirksome
Yeah I still don’t trust Tony. Not yet.
Sirksome
Jocelyne also not trusting. Very intelligent. Clearly she’s the superior Brown child.
Rosicrucian
Jocelyne has had a lot more time to be disappointed by the world.
Ado
This is the strip where she tells you she’s blindly following other people’s plans, though.
clif
Yeah, I noticed that.
Daibhid C
No, this is the strip where she tells you she’s following other peoples plans. She never said “blindly”.
Were you under the impression that the protest happened because all those people just … decided to show up randomly at the same time?
Li
“Blindly” is a word you keep inserting, it’s not actually present in any character’s dialogue.
Serendipity
Listening to the event organiziers is not “blindly following other people’s plans.” That’s how community organizing works.
clif
Okay, blindly is a bit of an over statement. There can be completely valid reasons for trusting other people’s judgement. None-the-less, just doing what other people say is a bit of a red flag for me. It implies that the decisions may not be personally vetted before acting on them. I’m perfectly willing to reserve judgement and wait for context if it becomes relevant, but it’s noted as a warning indicator.
Li
There is ALSO no implication that she isn’t personally vetting anything.
clif
It could easily be a turn of phrase, but “I just do” implies “that’s all I do.” It may not be a significant implication or worth worrying about yet, but it’s an implication.
Ever and Anonymous
I’ve been both an organizer and follower for serious nonviolent direct actions (NVDA). Organizing is best done in a core group that can hash out all the details thoroughly. If you’re not part of that small number but know that they’re basically competent and have a good track record, then you absolutely should follow them and ask only what’s needed to fill your role. Endlessly rehashing what’s already been fully discussed and decided (as is all too common) only aids the existing power structures.
If you truly have good reason to question the safety or effectiveness of the existing plan, then you can raise any valid objections in a succinct and timely manner. It’s very unlikely those will, or even can, be accommodated given the limited time and leadership capacity. If the action that’s been organized doesn’t feel worth the risk for you, then just run away from it. Staying to support any action that hasn’t been organized well enough also only helps the existing power structures.
All that said, when you have a group and a plan that works, NVDA can be great! It’s some of the hardest but most meaningful work I’ve ever done. (The fact they’re still talking around phones that could be compromised does require some serious suspension of disbelief though. Ugh.)
Li
It only implies that if you believe you live in a universe where anyone would ever actually say that and mean it.
.
There are people who don’t think critically enough, and people who let whatever tell them what to believe, but do you really think even those people would actually say “I just do what I’m told” and mean it?
nadamás
You reading too much into something doesn’t nake it “an implication”.
Li
hah, basically
ZombieKyrik
Uhh, I’m confused. Maybe the migraine is making me dumb; what’s going on here?
ZombieKyrik
A simple explanation would help; I can barely remember my birthday at the moment. x_x
Steamweed
As a reminder, today is your birthday. Happy birthday!
Cbwroses
Dorothy wants to support the cause, but Jocelyne wouldn’t discuss any plans via text, so they met up to do so.
BarerMender
I didn’t realize that wasn’t Joyce until you said something.
ZombieKyrik
I think my reply to my own comment got eaten somehow.
Astariel
Jocelyne and Dorothy are meeting up at a coffee shop to discuss plans for future resistance actions. Jocelyne says the resistance is thinking about holding a sit-in at Dean McHenry’s office.
TrueSurvivor
I am sorry you are suffering through a migraine. I only get relatively mild ones and they are still agony.
Here’s hoping you go puke your guts out (that usually makes me feel better).
Michelle J Caboose
That’s Jocelyne, and not Joyce (which, for some reason, I didn’t realize until the third re-read of the last panel).
Rebecca
Dorothy and Jocelyn are talking about the ongoing protests demanding that university sponsors divest themselves from the Bulmerian conflict, with particular focus on information hygiene and taking steps to avoid putting out too much information that the authorities could use to move against the protesters.
IntangibleMatter
Hell yeah, comics with trans characters three days in a row. Who just also happen to be some of the best characters.
Shame about the circumstances, though.
Anyways I’ve got an endocrinologist appointment on Tuesday and hopefully I can switch to E injections so wish me luck
ZombieKyrik
Good luck, hope everything goes well for you.
NGPZ
good luck! hoping for the best! <3
Sirksome
Good luck!
Li
Good luck!
RassilonTDavros
Good luck! 👊
embe13
thumbs up!
bliss
Good luck with the endocrinologist. About 50 yrs. ago I started with my internist.
No shots just diethystibesterol which is not available any longer due to problems
with womb carriers and their offspring.
John Campbell
I got to the last panel before I figured out that that wasn’t Joyce.
anon
it’s basically the ‘i support you/why do you look like me’ trans/hrt meme lol
StClair
Same.
Thag Simmons
This is entirely too cozy for a conspiring spot. This diner needs to be like 50% seedier, at least.
Felden
Ah, but that’s the first place they’d look!
anon
i assuem it’s nearby on campus/would think it’s the same one tony and sarah went to before booster interrupted them
Reltzik
Nah, it’s a coffee shop. Coffee shops get a +5 circumstance bonus for Resistance Planning.
Taffy
Jocelyne should get to run into the Dean’s office with a flamethrower and just ignite everything.
Bill Erak
Now now, that won’t work unless she asks for a nice curry afterwards.
(Nobody will get this reference)
QueenofSodor
that sounds hot
CT Phipps
I mean this is all symbolic really. It’s not like any of these horrible US contractors NEED the investment money of Indiana University. It won’t affect their bottom line in the slightest. This is meant to simply not have their tuition go to bankroll bombings in Bulmeria. But it won’t SAVE anyone.
Which is kind of ironic because if Joycelyn was doing her own dastardly scheming, they could actually approach Carla about getting her parents to possibly take no more murder drone contracts–and possibly make a real difference. It could be where Dorothy learns a valuable lesson about power brokering and networking.
Taffy
I don’t really care about all that, I just wanna see Jocelyne burn stuff with a flamethrower.
clif
That seems fair.
SadnessWithASmile
I feel like Carla might also appreciate the opportunity to make a flamethrower for Jocelyne. And possibly herself. Especially with the whole TV situation. So while I agree that seeing Jocelyne with a flamethrower would be delightful, I still think she should loop Carla in, because you know what’s better than a trans woman with a flamethrower? TWO trans women with flamethrowers!
anon
i mean, carla can’t even confront her parents about it, so joycelyn asking her to wouldn’t make much of a difference
eh, whatever
There is no Joyce in Jocelyne. She’s not some kind of Joyce Lynn.
CT Phipps
Gasp! A typo! My apologies to the Jocelyns of the world.
Dwampre Scorrigank
In case you didn’t see it this is a reference to Joyce finding some old artworks labeled “Joyce Lynn” that were likely Jocelyne, possibly to hide herself using an under-the-radar name.
eh, whatever
They were not labeled “Joyce Lynn” – that was someone’s misreading without glasses of unclear handwriting.
Would you name yourself after your sister?
thejeff
Even Carla convincing her parents to pull their company out of those contracts isn’t going to make any real difference. Not in the short run and probably not in the long. From what she said earlier, they’re secondary contractors at worst. They make some systems that are used in missiles. Not clear whether that’s special built equipment for the military or if the missiles just include general purpose Ruttech components.
anon
plus i imagine there’d be some ‘shareholders’ issue or whatever/other ppl in the ocmpany that might overrule it somehow/cancel it out even if her parents are the owners of ruttech
Astariel
Interesting. Going right into the future resistance planning. I wasn’t expecting that.
NGPZ
really hope Jocelyne really fills her in on how this shit GOES
but gotta start somewhere I guess
*plays “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised” by Gil Scott-Heron on hacked coffee shop speakers*
Cattleprod
That wallpaper is 100% from a real place, right?
HueSatLight
Hopscotch Coffee
Jess
that wall art is SO CUTE!!!
Kevin K
Wallpaper fish for next bonus strip!
TrueSurvivor
Is it weird that I had difficulty reading this strip because my eyes kept wondering back to the very nicely drawn fish. It is jsut there, ineffibly tantalizing in the middle of panels, like: “Ignore these mortals, gaze upon me and know the infinte depths of pridomidal sea”
clif
Pridomidal (adj.)
Describing the extreme, level of grumpiness experienced before one has consumed their first cup of coffee or tea. Example: “I am absolutely pridomidal until 9 a.m.”
Why yes, the pridomidal sea may very well have infinite depths.
eh, whatever
…primordial?
clif
Probably, but pridomidal is funnier.
Stormtide Leviathan
“Also my ex boyfriend’s mom used to be married to him.”
clif
And therefor you shouldn’t trust me either.
Pocky
Tony being a decent enough guy to spot Raidah being kinda sus is great and all, but we gotta eventually deal with the Sarah relationship troubles on the horizon with him being the dean’s son and all the genocide stuff. Like; I would hope Tony could see some reason, and put her before the old man, or even be sympathetic to the students who are dealing with this whole protest crackdown, but I get the feeling their relationship hasn’t been long enough to form that kinda bond yet.
On a side note,Jocelyn is lookin great, as always.
Bryy
I’m honestly getting season finale vibes.
clif
I figure we should have a few good years before Willis decides to retire and do a Transmogrifiers comic.
Li
Season finale != series finale.
.
Like I don’t really agree with the idea that these are season finale vibes, but the kidnapping for example was a season finale.
clif
A fair point. When do you think the new season would pick up?
Li
Well, I don’t think this season is ending, haha. Just wanted to point out that a season finale isn’t the end of a show. 🙂
Bill Erak