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Pooper

by David M Willis on June 3, 2021 at 12:01 am
  • 04 – Hompk!
└ Tags: jason, ruth

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    June 3, 2021 at 12:05 am | #

    Jason should point out that titty pics canNOT be withdrawn at any time

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 3, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

      Nor are they legal tender to pay for whiskey, in case she’s thinking she can kill two birds with one titty.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        June 3, 2021 at 12:16 am | #

        Honestly, as bad for business as it’d be, I would definitely accept payment in titty pics. There’s like…not a non-predatory sounding way to advertise that service, but I certainly would accept that deal.

        • NotThatDrew
          NotThatDrew
          June 3, 2021 at 12:34 am | #

          Just another reason why we should return to the barter system. Such offers would probably become more common

          • Wagstaff
            Wagstaff
            June 3, 2021 at 12:36 am | #

            Technically we are always in a barter system. Money is just the most often traded item due to its fiat.

            • Rabid Rabbit
              Rabid Rabbit
              June 3, 2021 at 1:12 am | #

              Somehow, I read that as “it’s flat,” and that honestly made a lot of sense. In paper form, it’s so easily carried and passed around!

              • Yotomoe
                Yotomoe
                June 3, 2021 at 1:22 am | #

                That’s how I read it too!

              • Paradox
                Paradox
                June 4, 2021 at 12:43 pm | #

                “Flat”? That’s awesome! And it makes so much sense too! Well played…

            • ktbear
              ktbear
              June 3, 2021 at 1:38 am | #

              But arent Fiats like horrible expensive while also being horribly unreliable?

              • Wagstaff
                Wagstaff
                June 3, 2021 at 1:43 am | #

                No, no, no. Modern money is called fiat money because it only has value because of government decree.

                Compare with older forms of money, that only had value because they were in the form of coins containing precious or semiprecious metal (usually gold or silver).

                • Miralelian
                  Miralelian
                  June 3, 2021 at 2:34 am | #

                  *Woosh!*

                  __|[your head]\__
                  |–O————–O—\

                  ^
                  The Fiat convertible you are driving

                • milu
                  milu
                  June 3, 2021 at 6:15 am | #

                  usually i find woosh comments obnoxious, but your ascii art is stunning, so instead, i think you’re awesome *0*

                • Demoted Oblivious
                  Demoted Oblivious
                  June 3, 2021 at 9:21 am | #

                  First, props to Jason for covering consent AND for bad sms goal tending.

                  Ya know, if I were driving a convertible, I prolly wouldn’t care if I was being sassed, if something was going over my head, or that it was a Fiat. Especially if Daisy and Ruth were riding with me. So Yoto… do you do commissions? I’ve put on some weight this year and could prolly manage an a- or even a b- cup titty picture. I mean, if you don’t mind ginger chest hair.

                  Good luck getting THAT image out of your heads y’all! Look dad! I painted a picture and didn’t even lift a brush.

                • Taellosse
                  Taellosse
                  June 3, 2021 at 10:41 pm | #

                  Ah yes, “precious metals,” which we all pretend are not themselves accorded value entirely arbitrarily. The only way in which such materials have inherent value is that a great deal of effort is expended to mine and refine them. But we only bother to invest that labor because we decided they look pretty.

                  Regardless of what “backs” a given currency, its value is established by a collectively accepted delusion. At bottom, money is a token representing labor (here are my tokens, which I exchange for your own work product). It simplifies trade so direct barter is no longer necessary – otherwise we’d all have to engage in byzantine chains of sequential bartering to trade our narrow skills for all the things we want and need – or all have to give up our specialized expertises and become subsistence farmers or hunter gatherers.

              • Wizard
                Wizard
                June 3, 2021 at 2:51 am | #

                My FIAT 124 was pretty reasonably priced, and it’s only been in the shop for anything other than routine maintenance once in 3.5 years. Then again, it was actually built by Mazda. (Yeah I drive an Italian car that was made in Japan.)

                • khn0
                  khn0
                  June 4, 2021 at 3:55 am | #

                  But… the FIAT factories in Turin were instrumental to worker’s power (I mean, literally, potere operaio)

              • StClair
                StClair
                June 3, 2021 at 1:35 pm | #

                “The GM/DM drives up in his Fiat and makes a ruling.”

                (not my line, but one I’ve heard)

            • khn0
              khn0
              June 4, 2021 at 4:00 am | #

              Yeah, it’s not like there were women’s strikes at home in order to make it clear that they are providing men time/chances to sell their workforce in a untold and unequal barter. Men are women bosses, because women are men’s proletariat, and there wasn’t really a contract between them to give this bater a status… (note I left sex barter out of this, as if we could)

            • Common sense
              Common sense
              June 4, 2021 at 8:46 am | #

              Well if we are always in a Barter system
              And tittie pics would be a valid thing to barter with.
              How exactly would Taxes work in that case?

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 3, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

      But they can be DRAWN at any time. 😛

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 3, 2021 at 12:43 am | #

        Good point.

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 3, 2021 at 1:13 am | #

        We’re not stopping you.

        (In fact, we’re encouraging you. Possibly because we’re terrible people.)

        • NotThatDrew
          NotThatDrew
          June 3, 2021 at 1:27 am | #

          Luckily I know of a roof where we’d be welcome

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        June 3, 2021 at 3:45 am | #

        Hypothetically, yes.

        … is this more than a hypothetical? If so, please keep us abreast of any such developments.

        • Demoted Oblivious
          Demoted Oblivious
          June 3, 2021 at 9:22 am | #

          I too am interested in the development of these breasts.

  2. Wagstaff
    Wagstaff
    June 3, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

    Wow. This provides a very useful metric on her alcohol tolerance.

    • Clif
      Clif
      June 3, 2021 at 1:01 am | #

      What is the metric unit for alcohol tolerance?

      • Wagstaff
        Wagstaff
        June 3, 2021 at 1:05 am | #

        I didn’t mean an exact metric. I just meant that this observation can give us a good idea on just how effective alcohol is for her.

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        June 3, 2021 at 1:12 am | #

        Scovilles.

        • Wagstaff
          Wagstaff
          June 3, 2021 at 1:18 am | #

          Uh…. I think that one’s for peppers.

          • Delicious Taffy
            Delicious Taffy
            June 3, 2021 at 1:49 am | #

            No, peppers are measured by color.

            • Wagstaff
              Wagstaff
              June 3, 2021 at 2:01 am | #

              No, I mean Scovilles are used to measure their spiciness.

              • Delicious Taffy
                Delicious Taffy
                June 3, 2021 at 3:01 am | #

                Scovilles aren’t spicy, they’re a unit of measurement. More of an abstract concept than a food. The higher your Scoville count, the harder it is to get drunk.

                • Wagstaff
                  Wagstaff
                  June 3, 2021 at 3:16 am | #

                  As UNITS. Where did you get your information about Scovilles in regard to intoxication?

                • Delicious Taffy
                  Delicious Taffy
                  June 3, 2021 at 3:52 am | #

                  Clif asked about it?

                • milu
                  milu
                  June 3, 2021 at 6:21 am | #

                  i’ve measured this conversation and it’s 2,5 megascovilles (it’s a unit of roflness i’m specifying just in case cos i’ve seen people get confused)

                • Deanatay
                  Deanatay
                  June 3, 2021 at 10:36 am | #

                  milu: I see the problem. When measuring roflness, the unit is usually called a SydneyScoville, to alleviate confusion.

              • StClair
                StClair
                June 3, 2021 at 1:38 pm | #

                Wagstaff:
                I believe that (1) the people you’re responding to are aware of this and (2) you need to check and/or replace your sarcasm detector.

                • StClair
                  StClair
                  June 3, 2021 at 1:40 pm | #

                  (as I’ve now seen a couple of posts by you that fit the general pattern of “yes, that’s literally true, but they’re making a joke”.)

                • milu
                  milu
                  June 3, 2021 at 2:18 pm | #

                  i believe that Wagstaff is actually performing mild cluelessness for the benefit of all humankind via hilarity. you understand that Wagstaff can not themself confirm this as they are surely taking their mission too seriously to break character.

                • Wagstaff
                  Wagstaff
                  June 3, 2021 at 8:03 pm | #

                  Besides my sense of humor, I mainly seek to benefit the entire human species with the power of science!

                  Also, this webcomic and its message board are currently among the few things in my life that keep me from going star-craving MAD!

                • milu
                  milu
                  June 3, 2021 at 8:12 pm | #

                  This place is making you LESS mad??!

                  ….relatable.

                • milu
                  milu
                  June 3, 2021 at 8:25 pm | #

                  Also, “star-craving mad” is lovely and suggests some sort of sad and poetic children’s story about an astronomer forced to work in the city, maybe to endlessly feed sheets of meaningless digits to a scary anthropomorphized computer, and there are too many lights and air pollution to see a single star!! Oh no!

                  Well, I do hope you look after yourself anyway <3

                • Wagstaff
                  Wagstaff
                  June 3, 2021 at 10:31 pm | #

                  Thanks milu!

                  And also, “star-craving mad” is from one of my favorite childhood characters: an undead pirate skeleton who would make up math puzzles with his own bones!

            • Ohmsford
              Ohmsford
              June 3, 2021 at 12:11 pm | #

              I thought peppers (like kisses) were measured by the peck

        • Reltzik
          Reltzik
          June 3, 2021 at 3:47 am | #

          Scovilles are a unit of measurement for profanity per second.

          • Enkrod
            Enkrod
            June 3, 2021 at 5:43 am | #

            Since Scoville is already used for spicyness, I think those units are called SpS or Sydneys per Second.

            • Reltzik
              Reltzik
              June 3, 2021 at 2:44 pm | #

              Profanities can be spicy!

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 3, 2021 at 1:14 am | #

        Dunno, but you’d better use it, because she’s having none of that Imperial unit shit.

        • Demoted Oblivious
          Demoted Oblivious
          June 3, 2021 at 9:26 am | #

          You’d think a country that fought, won, and celebrate their war of independence would be ALL OVER a different measuring system than that of their IMPERIAL oppressors.

          • Ana Chronistic
            Ana Chronistic
            June 3, 2021 at 10:03 am | #

            Up to and until it takes EFFORT

          • Taellosse
            Taellosse
            June 3, 2021 at 10:49 pm | #

            Sure, but since those former oppressors eagerly adopted that alternative system first, we prove our bold independence by retaining the old, outmoded system all sensible nations have long since abandoned.

            Also, we’re pretty sure changing now would be a sign of weakness – leaders don’t belatedly do what everyone else does, they stand apart, proud and confident!

      • Eldritchy
        Eldritchy
        June 3, 2021 at 10:42 am | #

        Are we talking per mill?

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 3, 2021 at 8:09 am | #

      Except that we don’t know how many shots she’s had.
      Could be just the two we’ve explicitly seen her downing, but I think more are implied.

  3. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    June 3, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

    I mean Ruth’s the one who even brought up getting laid in the first place so this is a little weird to me that’s she suddenly guilty about not wanting it.

    • Wagstaff
      Wagstaff
      June 3, 2021 at 12:09 am | #

      If only she knew just how hungry a Daisy was.

    • TemporalShrew
      TemporalShrew
      June 3, 2021 at 12:11 am | #

      Wouldn’t that be precisely the reason? She brought it up, therefore she feels obliged to go through with it, therefore she feels guilty for not totally wanting to go through with it.

      • Sirksome
        Sirksome
        June 3, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

        My question is why did she even bring it up? Things were going pretty well before sex was even put on the table at all. It was pretty much established that Daisy is in to her and wants to see her again regardless of if they actually smash or not. But Ruth is drunk so maybe I’m trying to apply more logic to this than she is.

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          June 3, 2021 at 12:31 am | #

          Things honestly weren’t going all that great. Ruth still had her walls up around her. You can see a huge difference between how she’s opened up to Jason vs. Daisy. Ruth basically offered sex because she’s forcing it. That’s at least my impression. She’s just trying to force herself with another girl who’s nice who she’s not super compatible with but is nice and wants to bone. Daisy’s a rebound.

          • Sirksome
            Sirksome
            June 3, 2021 at 12:42 am | #

            There are important differences between Ruth and Daisy vs Ruth and Jason. For one Ruth is drunk. She had one shot before they even really started talking and before that she was her usual abrasive self with him. Plus they’ve met before the last time Ruth was here with “Billie”. That’s established familiarity which is much less pressure than a blind first date. Ruth was showing some attraction to Daisy. Enough to proposition her and even now she’s saying she think’s Daisy’s hot. It’s just strange to me that she essentially psyched herself out in the process of trying to psyche herself up when there was no pressure on her to begin with.

            • Yotomoe
              Yotomoe
              June 3, 2021 at 12:51 am | #

              – “She had one shot before they even really started talking and before that she was her usual abrasive self with him.”
              Emphasis on “usual”. She’s not trying hard with Jason and that makes all the difference. Ruth feels like she SHOULD have sex with Daisy, but I don’t think she actually WANTS to. Like she wants to but she doesn’t WANT to. There’s instant gratification and then there’s the reality of the situation.

              • Sirksome
                Sirksome
                June 3, 2021 at 1:00 am | #

                “She want to but she doesn’t want to” See that’s exactly what I’m confused about. Although frankly I’m not sure what Ruth wants even matters at this point because I think she’s past the point where she can even give consent. Which might actually be what she wanted all along. Kind of take the choice away so she doesn’t even have to make it.

                • Needfuldoer
                  Needfuldoer
                  June 3, 2021 at 2:38 am | #

                  Ruth’s not entirely over Jennifer yet, and she thinks she’s not good enough for Daisy. Hence the self-sabotage.

        • Regina phalange
          Regina phalange
          June 3, 2021 at 12:43 am | #

          I mean, there’s a million and one reasons for someone to float the possibility of sex and then regret it? The most basic interpretation is that Ruth made a forward and flirty comment to let Daisy know that she was open to sex, and then she got nervous exactly because of how overly excited that made Daisy. At the very least, if you offer something to someone and they basically respond with “I am so grateful that I have lost control of my bowels AND the social awareness that would otherwise stop me from saying that,” wouldn’t you really start to question the offer, or at have some anxiety over whether you just committed to something that’s a way bigger deal than you thought?

          That’s not even getting into the million nuances here. Ruth may have been hoping for a fling, and Daisy’s excitement is telling her that she wants more than that (or is reminding Ruth of potential unresolved feelings re: Jennifer), which is making Ruth feel guilty about it. Ruth could just generally be comfortable with romantic partners whom she can idolize (or more generally stand-off-ish partners), so she could be uncomfortable with the the fact that, rather than engage in snarky banter, someone “too hot for her” is THIS excited about sex with her. Hell, she could just be self-sabotaging. There are a legitimately dozens of other reasons I could list for why Ruth would bring this up and is now regretting it.

          The fact that Daisy has been in the bathroom so long that Ruth had time to get somewhat drunk probably isn’t helping the doubt, anxiety, and possible regret.

          • Sirksome
            Sirksome
            June 3, 2021 at 12:52 am | #

            Those are all valid insights. I’m just chalking it up to Ruth probably not being ready to actually date. Jennifer did set this up kind of assuming what Ruth needed. I’m not sure how long Daisy’s supposed to actually be gone on this. It’s weird comic time. It doesn’t take long to down two shots of whiskey. That’s kind of on Ruth. She ordered a drink basically as soon as Daisy was out of line of sight and got drunk almost instantly. Like I said yesterday that’s pretty impressive.

            • Rabid Rabbit
              Rabid Rabbit
              June 3, 2021 at 1:25 am | #

              We have to remember that Jennifer sometimes thinks that casual sex is a good thing*. There’s a strong vibe of “Sure, we broke up, but don’t worry, I’ll get you laid! Sex is the important part, right?” from her. So since she arranged this date, and probably made it fairly clear that she was finagling an easy lay for both Ruth and Daisy (and, let’s be honest, from her point of view it makes sense — she knows Daisy is desperate, Ruth could use it [as she thinks], it’ll all be fine), both Daisy and Ruth probably think of this as equivalent to a Tindr meet-up. Jennifer has promised both of them sex (just not with her), so they sort of both think that’s what’s on the table; not going through with it because of reasons would seem rude, since they both feel they’re meeting on that basis.

              Ruth definitely isn’t ready to date, and I think she realizes that; but this isn’t a “Let’s date” date, it’s a “Shall we bump genitals?” date. Because this is Dumbing of Age and everyone is therefore stupid, the fact that not being ready to date might make casual sex not a good idea (for this particular person, in these particular circumstances) might not come across.

              *Not saying that casual sex is necessarily a bad idea! Just that Jennifer doesn’t always think things through. It’s not for everyone, or not always. But Head Cheerleader has found what seems to her the ideal situation, so of course she’s going to push it through. Unfortunately, she apparently hasn’t worked out that “So you couldn’t have that guy, go have sex under the bleachers with that one” isn’t necessarily a cure-for-all.

          • BarerMender
            BarerMender
            June 3, 2021 at 1:02 am | #

            And possibly Daisy had regrets and slipped out the backdoor.

            • Sunny
              Sunny
              June 3, 2021 at 7:59 am | #

              I think it’s just that a lot of things slipped out her backdoor and now she’s mentally going through every option for what Ruth might say and how she can respond to that once she gets back there.

    • CJ
      CJ
      June 3, 2021 at 1:57 am | #

      I‘m honestly not sure how to read the situation. Is it really Ruth feels obliged to habe sex with Daisy and doesn’t want to, or is it that Ruth would like to have sex, not with Daisy per se, Daisy as a person is still an unknown anyway, but just doesn’t know how that works outside of her usual ways (which involved being very drunk and/or bullying the person before the fact)?

      Is this about ongoing consent or freaking on the unknown?
      (Not saying it wouldn’t be a bad idea for Ruth to have sex now she‘s drunk, but before she got drunk, what was the real issue?)

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      June 3, 2021 at 3:49 am | #

      Maybe Ruth just isn’t comfortable jumping into bed with someone two hours after meeting them, and is pumping the brakes a bit and would rather wait until the third date or something.

    • Sombrero
      Sombrero
      June 3, 2021 at 5:33 am | #

      There are some hints that Ruth kind of feels that getting laid with Daisy is something she owes to Jennifer. She doesn’t really want to, and now that it’s obvious how much Daisy wants it the pressure is going up. She is getting (drunkenly) aware that if she sabotages the sex part of this date she will not just failing Jennifer, she will also hurt Daisy. Too much responsibility to mix up with half bottle of whiskey.

    • Tan
      Tan
      June 3, 2021 at 10:45 am | #

      On the one hand, as Jason says, it is one’s right to withdraw consent at any time for any reason.

      On the other hand, withdrawing consent without hurting the other person’s feelings is a fucking minefield

  4. Suet
    Suet
    June 3, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

    Ah, here came the boozles.

    *throws arms up in air* You do you, boo.

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      June 3, 2021 at 12:26 am | #

      The reprint of the 1989 strip naming them. https://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/2013/07/10

      • Demoted Oblivious
        Demoted Oblivious
        June 3, 2021 at 9:41 am | #

        Thank you for that Opus. I missed Opus the Penguin and that comic in particular is going in my inspiration folder.

        • NickG
          NickG
          June 3, 2021 at 6:29 pm | #

          Berke Breathed is not the most regular of updaters but he has produced around 900 new Bloom County strips since 2015, available on gocomics and two book collections.

  5. Jane
    Jane
    June 3, 2021 at 12:07 am | #

    …Maybe a second date will go better. With Daisy less anxious, and Ruth less self-sabotaging.

  6. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    June 3, 2021 at 12:07 am | #

    Medicated Drunk Ruth sounds oddly like… Robin? Her speech patterns, anyway.

    Or maybe Robin just sounds drunk all the time, I’ve known people like that

    • NotThatDrew
      NotThatDrew
      June 3, 2021 at 12:09 am | #

      A near constant sugar high seems more likely for Robin

    • cosine
      cosine
      June 3, 2021 at 9:06 pm | #

      i’m not sure if the origin is talked about somewhere, but i always figured Robin’s accent is a more traditional/Northern Midwestern accent? Which can be similar to a Canadian accent, if Ruth’s is slipping through here

  7. Mr. Random
    Mr. Random
    June 3, 2021 at 12:08 am | #

    I mean, is the 3rd date thing just a lie they tell kids?

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 3, 2021 at 12:09 am | #

      My answer depends on whether or not you’re a kid.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 3, 2021 at 12:13 am | #

      It is. I for one have never seen a 3rd date. 3rd dates are a myth.

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 3, 2021 at 1:26 am | #

        Hmm. What’s the algebra between 3rd date and 3rd base?

        • Wagstaff
          Wagstaff
          June 3, 2021 at 2:30 am | #

          Give me some more parameters, and I’ll solve this word problem in a jiffy!

        • Lars
          Lars
          June 3, 2021 at 2:40 am | #

          It’s all explained on xkcd 540.

          • Wagstaff
            Wagstaff
            June 3, 2021 at 2:51 am | #

            That only accounts for one variable. It tells us nothing about the quantity of dates.

            I sure hope this doesn’t turn out to be a three-body problem; it’s gonna be a while before I get my hands on an adequate computer for such a task.

      • Demoted Oblivious
        Demoted Oblivious
        June 3, 2021 at 9:43 am | #

        It’s like a giant third raisin. You just need a bigger container than can hold more than two pieces of dried fruit.

  8. NotThatDrew
    NotThatDrew
    June 3, 2021 at 12:08 am | #

    While they say “It’s the thought that counts”, I’m sure Daisy would prefer this to not be a spur of the moment drunken decision

  9. Regalli
    Regalli
    June 3, 2021 at 12:08 am | #

    … Yeah there’s a LOT to unpack here and I have the brain capacity to get into precisely NONE OF THAT right now. Ruth. Sweetie.

    Good to see that Jason does appear to genuinely be a decent bartender now! Certainly he’s better at it than he was teaching.

    • Sirksome
      Sirksome
      June 3, 2021 at 12:17 am | #

      Was Jason actually bad at teaching tho? I mean he failed with Walky and Sal but those two were pretty specific circumstances that clashed with his personality. It’s not really enough to just completely write off his teaching skills for me.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        June 3, 2021 at 12:20 am | #

        They’re the only two we know of him trying to teach. He wasn’t teaching the class so that’s all we have to go on.

        • Regalli
          Regalli
          June 3, 2021 at 12:39 am | #

          He was effectively teaching the class, I feel like? I’d have to check, but Amber was able to change grades when Jason was fired because no one else knew. (Could be he was only grading papers and not instructing, but that’s still an aspect of teaching where the subsequent judgment fails come into play.)

          Either way, though, the sleeping with a student alone was enough for me to say ‘yes, you are a bad teacher, the onus is on you to SHUT THAT SHIT DOWN especially since (as Sal did indeed think) there’s the perception sleeping with you will equal better grades and that inherently fucks the power dynamic’, and the specific ways he antagonized and belittled her were… also not great. Walky wasn’t giving his best effort either, though Jason went in saying ‘it’s a lost cause and you disappoint your mother’ immediately and I can’t imagine that endeared Walky to the guy. Not knowing your student may have ADHD (because he himself doesn’t know either) and therefore your teaching methods won’t work is one thing. So is your teaching methods not working on any student when you’re young and maybe don’t know alternate approaches yet. Considering it the student’s personal failing when your methods don’t work, to the point of disbelief when Sal found a tutor who DID help her learn the material, is another. Sleeping with said student? NO. Nonononono. No. And he recognized that he had a position of power over her (having someone else grade her papers) and that this was a terrible idea.

          • BBCC
            BBCC
            June 3, 2021 at 12:57 am | #

            The TAs do the grading, but he didn’t do any of the actual lecturing. The only ‘teaching’ teaching he did was with Walky and Sal, neither of which went well.

            • a/snow/mous/e
              a/snow/mous/e
              June 3, 2021 at 9:40 am | #

              Yeah, TAs don’t actually do the main lecture — they often observe the lecture, which is presumably why Jason was at the front of the room, they usually run the labs for science courses, and they might lecture for recitation (basically, “recitation” is a supplementary lecture they sometimes have where TAs go over the material with a fraction of the class, since each class has multiple recitation groups). They probably don’t have recitation for freshman courses, though.

      • Devin
        Devin
        June 3, 2021 at 12:34 am | #

        Just based on the small insight we got into his methods on helping someone who wasn’t getting it, it seems like he’s at best not great. Being able to explain something in multiple different ways is usually the key to bridging a gap in understanding. I say this with much experience.

        If that’s a representative sample of his operating procedure, it doesn’t speak well to his general teaching ability. And if it’s not, it doesn’t speak to his ability to apply the right technique at the right time. Either way it’s not good for him, and absolutely exacerbated the personality conflict.

        Walky was a different scenario, you can’t help someone who isn’t ready to be helped, and that shouldn’t be held against him. Despite Walky showing up, he was very clearly not ready. This was not imho wholly Walky’s fault, but he was not in a place to receive help, and it would have taken tremendous skill on the part of a TA to help him. A success there would speak very highly in someone’s favor, but a failure should not necessarily count against them.

        • C.T. Phipps
          C.T. Phipps
          June 3, 2021 at 12:43 am | #

          Jason was a bad teacher and Walky insulted the man doing him a favor repeatedly.

        • Regalli
          Regalli
          June 3, 2021 at 12:51 am | #

          Yeah, I wouldn’t hold the sessions with Walky going badly against Jason, but I am willing to say that the bit where he’s immediately dismissive of both twins’ chances of improvement reflects badly on him as a whole (since it is, in fact, shared between two otherwise-different interactions.)

          But yeah, from what we see of the Sal sessions, at best he doesn’t know how to help her and instead of recognizing that, he keeps trying the same approach or considers it a Sal problem. I can see a novice TA making that mistake – or even a TA with some experience but not a ton of training or interest in teaching – but still, not great.

          • Devin
            Devin
            June 3, 2021 at 12:56 am | #

            Yeah, that’s a terrible start and absolutely set a bad tone to begin with with Sal. I’m not sure how much difference it made with Walky, but that doesn’t make it any better. That’s not an attitude anyone in a teaching position should ever be taking.

          • Rabid Rabbit
            Rabid Rabbit
            June 3, 2021 at 1:44 am | #

            On the other hand, he did actually reach out to Walky to try and help him. For his own selfish reasons, but yeah.

            The feeling I always got about Jason is that he was thrown into the job with no proper training. In one of the earliest strips he appears in, he’s calling out to the students repeating what the prof just said, as though he’s trying to establish his existence. According to Penny, Prof. Rees just rushes back home as soon as he can and ignores everything else. It’s very easy to become a TA with no idea what to do — especially in Jason’s case, given that he just came over from England. An American student would at least have the experience of having had a TA himself when he was doing these lower-level classes. Jason ends up in the deep end. Like when he first interacts with Sal, and has that gross reactions of “Holy hell, you’re hot, I want to change my office hours to accommodate you,” but then does walk it back afterwards. And yes, absolutely, he should have shut Sal down the moment she started taking off her shirt, but he does then try to salvage his ethics by 1) giving her the grade she deserves and 2) handing over future papers to someone else to grade. Unlike Penny, he at least gets what the ethical issues are. Hence why he found it so easy to not contest his firing.

            He’s a terrible teacher, but the thing is, I don’t think he’s been given any model for being a good one. People who end up as TAs, being advanced students and thus presumably actually interested in the subject, tend not to be the ones who necessarily needed a good teacher at any point, and definitely never needed tutoring, so don’t know how good tutoring works. Jason’s a bad teacher because he gets his subject matter; the most important quality in a teacher at this level is understanding how people might not get it. It’s all so obvious to him that he can’t see where Sal is finding a roadblock, whereas Danny, who’s good with rules, can.

            And it’s understandable! Learning how to talk about your subject with someone who’s not at the same level is tough! The sad thing is, TAs ought to be given some training in this, and I definitely feel Jason wasn’t. Which is also sad, since unlike Penny, he clearly actually wanted to be a good one. But I feel like he accepted his firing not just because he couldn’t help but agree he deserved it, but also because he knew he wasn’t a good teacher and being fired spared him from having to realize it day after day.

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              June 3, 2021 at 8:28 am | #

              That’s absolutely true – and can often extend to college professors as well. Knowing a subject doesn’t mean knowing how to teach it and neither faculty nor TAs are required to take classes in education.

              That said, other than the inappropriate comments to Sal, his first interaction with either of them was to suggest they drop (or should have already dropped in Walky’s case, I think.) Sometimes that’s appropriate, but it shouldn’t come before an attempt to help. That’s not a matter of needing to learn different techniques for helping people, just dismissing them because they don’t instantly get it.

              • Regalli
                Regalli
                June 3, 2021 at 11:40 am | #

                That’s about stance as well. He was almost certainly dropped into this with no guidance or training, but even with that as the standard we’re judging against, he’s subpar in his interactions with students.

                • Regalli
                  Regalli
                  June 3, 2021 at 11:40 am | #

                  *About MY stance. Realized that just as it was posting. Damn.

            • Devin
              Devin
              June 3, 2021 at 12:43 pm | #

              You’re absolutely right. He’s a bad teacher, but it’s not necessarily his fault.

              His bad teaching is indicative of a failed system, and not a failing of character on his part, but in the end it had the same effect for Sal. I think this is useful for what we say about Jason in the larger picture, but it doesn’t make him any better of a teacher.

              I would also argue that the most thorough understanding of a subject allows you to explain it to a layperson (although this does also require some degree of communication skills) so it’s also possible that his understanding of his subject matter is functional but not masterful.

      • DinaJoyce
        DinaJoyce
        June 3, 2021 at 2:46 am | #

        My understanding is that he was a PhD student. In my experience (insert obligatory “not all departments”) faculty don’t give a crap if you can teach, especially in your first couple years of the program. They care about your course work/research. And if you’re their TA, they care that you take care of the tedious parts of their job, like grading and dealing with students who complain about grades (which includes the ones who need help). I feel like a lot of departments suddenly remember you won’t get a job if they never teach you how to teach when you’re in like your 5th year and about to actually graduate. Before that they don’t care about you because odds are you’ll drop out for some reason and they will have wasted their precious time doing the boring parts of mentorship. Plus, they don’t want their drop outside getting jobs in the field.

  10. Wagstaff
    Wagstaff
    June 3, 2021 at 12:10 am | #

    *plays “Desperate Romantics” on the Voxola PR-76*

  11. Opus the Poet
    Opus the Poet
    June 3, 2021 at 12:10 am | #

    Jason stop, the world needs as many titty pics as humanly possible, but the dick pics can all just die in a fire unless solicited by the receiver.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 3, 2021 at 12:11 am | #

      I’ve been ASKED for dick pics and I still feel like an asshole sending them. But i also don’t like receiving titty pics for nothing. I don’t have anything else to show.

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 3, 2021 at 1:51 am | #

        https://somethingpositive.net/comic/following-orders/

      • milu
        milu
        June 3, 2021 at 12:16 pm | #

        i think it’s less about anatomical and more about erotic equivalence?

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      June 3, 2021 at 12:14 am | #

      Titty pics can be a good thing, but they must be done for the right reasons.

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        June 3, 2021 at 12:18 am | #

        You have to be pure of heart or they can’t defeat Buu.

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          June 3, 2021 at 12:22 am | #

          Give me some Chi-chi’s that can ride the nimbus <3

  12. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    June 3, 2021 at 12:10 am | #

    *plays “She Came In Through The Bathroom Window” on the jukebox*

  13. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    June 3, 2021 at 12:11 am | #

    Ok you’d have no way of knowing this, but girls pulling open their shirts to take titty pics is one of my biggest turnons. o3o I mean I’m not exactly shy about how much I love boobs. I guess it’s the same reason i really like boob flashes. It’s just very deliberate and that makes it sexy.

    • NotThatDrew
      NotThatDrew
      June 3, 2021 at 12:13 am | #

      Totally agree on this one

    • Wagstaff
      Wagstaff
      June 3, 2021 at 12:14 am | #

      Isn’t that true about the vast majority of Homo Sapien males?

      • Opus the Poet
        Opus the Poet
        June 3, 2021 at 12:17 am | #

        Even the gay ones. We XY people are programmed to like/want boobs

        • Wagstaff
          Wagstaff
          June 3, 2021 at 12:21 am | #

          Believe it or not, female Homo Sapiens are one rare occasion XY! It all comes down to a single gene on the Y chromosome that starts the developmental domino effect so to speak. Without that gene, the person will grow up to be female (different from being a woman), regardless of everything else.

          • a/snow/mous/e
            a/snow/mous/e
            June 3, 2021 at 9:45 am | #

            Yeah, the SRY gene. I like to think it’s saying “sry!!” to transwomen for giving them male genitals.

            • RedCat
              RedCat
              June 3, 2021 at 4:08 pm | #

              I’ve lost track of the joke.

        • BarerMender
          BarerMender
          June 3, 2021 at 1:15 am | #

          Oh, please. We’re ALL born to suck tit.

          • Wagstaff
            Wagstaff
            June 3, 2021 at 1:37 am | #

            I wonder if that’s somehow connected to the fact that the frequency of females being lesbian is much higher than the frequency of males being gay…

            • Kryss LaBryn
              Kryss LaBryn
              June 3, 2021 at 8:01 am | #

              Considering the negative societal effects of being either, still (altho thank god still better than it was when I was a kid), and the actual literal danger of coming out, though, can we really be sure yet that we have a decent handle on the actual frequencies of various sexualities?

              Like, in such an environment, people who, were they in a culture that regarded it on the minor level of importance as, say, hair colour, would have no issues recognizing their gender and sexuality and just be gay or whatever and no one would think twice, can very well still find themselves not only not recognizing it in themselves, but also not even being self-reflective enough to even consider asking the question.

              There’s a known correlation between neurodiverse people and trans people, and the rates of each in the other community are higher than we see in the general population; but we don’t yet know if that’s because of something to do with the actual neurology of either, or if it’s because part of the process of getting medically recognized and treated for either is a lot of self-examination and psychiatric consultations, and that the process of assessment itself just makes it more likely to find the other thing when you aren’t looking for it. You know? It’s been postulated that if such assessments were done on everyone, that correlation might smooth out, but until then (or until we can point at a specific and overlapping mechanism that causes or increases the likelihood of each) all we can do is note a correlation.

              TL;DR: Is the frequency actually higher? Or are women just more prone to the kind of self-reflection that would prompt that realization, coupled with a greater societal acceptance of gay women that might make it feel safer to (a) accept that about oneself, and (b) come out (and therefore be counted)?

              • Regalli
                Regalli
                June 3, 2021 at 11:51 am | #

                Re: Neurodivergence and trans people, I’ve also seen it posited that neurodivergent people tend to recognize they don’t quite follow the rules of society, even if they’re undiagnosed, and not-infrequently go ‘wait, why are these rules even a thing?’ (Particularly in the case of autism, which is the one I’ve most frequently seen statistical citations for. Dunno what the rates are with others.) Thus, another question is ‘are autistic people more likely to be trans because they’re autistic, or are they actually about as trans as the general population statistically but recognize it more because they’re internalizing societal rules and expectations less?’ (Being autistic and nebulously not quite cisgender, I definitely feel like there was a link between my going ‘all these social rules are bullshit, particularly as they apply to gender’ and then ‘wait, yeah, this gender doesn’t quite fit me as well as I thought.’ Long since diagnosed, but only started realizing there was Gender Shit going on in the last few years.)

                • Delicious Taffy
                  Delicious Taffy
                  June 3, 2021 at 6:49 pm | #

                  Just another autistic chiming in, here. Once I finally came to terms with my (diagnosed since kindergarten) autism, I definitely did start noticing other things that were “different” about myself, especially things that felt wrong like people saying “he” when referring to me. I tried sort of reinforcing that assigned masculine identity and leaning into it, but that only confirmed what I’d been slowly realislzing. It’s like I’ve been masking not only my neurodivergence, but my gender identity as well, using exactly the same behaviors. So there might just be something to the idea of correlation, one way or another.

            • Miri
              Miri
              June 3, 2021 at 8:13 am | #

              I suspect that has more to do with toxic masculinity making it harder to come out for guys? A guy acknowledging that he wants to suck another guy off or that he wants to be the recipient of bottom sex may well find himself characterised as cissy/girl-like/other term used to indicate he is an inferior male and person. I don’t think that happens so much to women.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                June 3, 2021 at 8:36 am | #

                Long before getting to actual sex, it’s much more socially acceptable for women to show platonic physical affection to each other, which may make it easier to realize.

                I haven’t seen statistics, but I’d be interested to know if the ratio is changing with time. More people in younger generations identify as LGBTQ, but I don’t know if the gender breakdown is different than in older generations. I think I have seen that most of the increase is in bisexuals, whatever that means.

                • a/snow/mous/e
                  a/snow/mous/e
                  June 3, 2021 at 9:56 am | #

                  it’s likely because there’s less bi erasure. people really used to act like bisexuals/pansexuals were just gay people in denial. at least for gay men. women bisexuals of course were probably experimenting, and maybe just “kinky” because boy do men love to fetishize queer ladies.

                • thejeff
                  thejeff
                  June 3, 2021 at 10:45 am | #

                  Less bi erasure, but also less homophobia in general. It used to easier for bisexuals to just not come out at all, even to themselves. Just pretend to be straight, it’s not that hard if you actually are attracted to the opposite sex.

                • Regalli
                  Regalli
                  June 3, 2021 at 12:05 pm | #

                  There’s also a massive confounding variable in both ‘more LGBT people in younger generations’ and the proportion of older lesbians to any other older queer people – AIDS disproportionately killed gay and bisexual men, particularly in the early days of the epidemic, so there are way fewer surviving gay Boomers and Gen Xers. (There’s a racial bias in mortality rates as well, which continues to this day. Good old systemic racism in the medical system.) Gay kids definitely seem to be coming out younger as well, but if your statistics come from the current populations of each generation, there’s a gap in your numbers.

              • a/snow/mous/e
                a/snow/mous/e
                June 3, 2021 at 9:49 am | #

                oh it is absolutely toxic masculinity at play here, no question

              • Yotomoe
                Yotomoe
                June 3, 2021 at 11:20 am | #

                I often go with the ancient Greek interpretation of “What’s more manly than two men fucking?”

                • a/snow/mous/e
                  a/snow/mous/e
                  June 3, 2021 at 2:07 pm | #

                  hell yes

                • He Who Abides
                  He Who Abides
                  June 3, 2021 at 9:36 pm | #

                  3 men fucking?

                • David M Willis
                  David M Willis
                  June 3, 2021 at 10:26 pm | #

                  *hands over phone*
                  it’s for you

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        June 3, 2021 at 12:19 am | #

        My understanding is that it is. Probably even true for the vast majority of Hominid Males come to think of it, though it’s difficult to ask them

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 3, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

      I’m inclined to agree with this pervert.

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      June 3, 2021 at 4:56 am | #

      It is pretty darn sexy.

  14. Dean
    Dean
    June 3, 2021 at 12:14 am | #

    Sending it to Daisy when she’s on the toilet might send the wrong message.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      June 3, 2021 at 4:32 am | #

      Sending it to Daisy when she’s on the toilet might result in her staying on the toilet.

      • RedCat
        RedCat
        June 3, 2021 at 4:10 pm | #

        gross.

  15. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    June 3, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

    Jason’s a way better bartender than he was a TA or tutor, it must be said.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      June 3, 2021 at 12:16 am | #

      Not handling your customers/students with contempt does that.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 3, 2021 at 12:17 am | #

      Well, he is British.

    • crow
      crow
      June 3, 2021 at 2:22 pm | #

      Just like Va11 Hall-A

  16. Bagge
    Bagge
    June 3, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

    I mean, it’s not like Daisy would turn down that message.

  17. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    June 3, 2021 at 12:19 am | #

    Am I being a bit predictable by being INCREDIBLY active for the first time in a while the second a comic includes the word titty and the photos thereof?

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 3, 2021 at 12:23 am | #

      Predictability is mostly a good trait. However, I’m not super clear on how many times I’m supposed to chant “Titty” at the mirror to invoke your dark powers.

    • Sporky
      Sporky
      June 3, 2021 at 12:23 am | #

      Yes, but we don’t mind. Actually I’m here becaudse I was just like “wait, I should reread the comments to see if Yoto posted some art!”

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        June 3, 2021 at 12:32 am | #

        Haha sorry no dice. Been trying to draw my own characters more. Right now I’m trying to make animated dance loops but it’s a bit hard.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          June 3, 2021 at 5:47 am | #

          In that case you’d better take a break every four hours or you’ll have to go to the hospital.

    • Devin
      Devin
      June 3, 2021 at 12:51 am | #

      Predictable or reliable?

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        June 3, 2021 at 12:53 am | #

        “Reliable, sensible, dependable. Lotsa little words that end in ‘ibble’.”

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          June 3, 2021 at 12:57 am | #

          Horrible, incorrigible, Adorable

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 3, 2021 at 5:47 am | #

      Whatever happened to predictability
      The milkman, the paper boy, text message titty?

      • a/snow/mous/e
        a/snow/mous/e
        June 3, 2021 at 9:59 am | #

        everywhere you look, everywhere you go
        there’s a heart, there’s a heart,
        a breast to hold onto

  18. Skemono
    Skemono
    June 3, 2021 at 12:21 am | #

    Is that the duty of a bartender? I thought it had something to do with drinks or alcohol or something. I was way off.

    • drs
      drs
      June 3, 2021 at 12:31 am | #

      Reminding your intoxicated customers or those around them about consent seems a natural extension of “cut you off now” bartending roles.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      June 3, 2021 at 12:59 am | #

      Officially, probably not. Ethically, Jason’s kicking ass here.

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 3, 2021 at 1:53 am | #

        Yeah. It’s amazing how much easier it is to be ethical when the hot girl isn’t climbing onto your lap after pulling her shirt off.

        • Sunny
          Sunny
          June 3, 2021 at 8:25 am | #

          The furniture between them is taller than when Jason was a TA and is fixed to the floor. That makes it harder to get over or around it. Even so, I give it at most 3-5 comics before Ruth tries to get on top of Jason and take off her shirt unless Daisy gets back in the meantime.

          • Meagan
            Meagan
            June 3, 2021 at 8:26 pm | #

            Agreed

    • crow
      crow
      June 3, 2021 at 2:20 pm | #

      Jason’s trying to make his job more important to cope with the loss of his academic career

    • RedCat
      RedCat
      June 3, 2021 at 4:11 pm | #

      Also, therapy!

  19. AbacusWizard
    AbacusWizard
    June 3, 2021 at 12:26 am | #

    ohhhhhh Ruth that is way too many boozles, you need to put some back

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 3, 2021 at 12:30 am | #

      Now I wanna see her grab and eat one of the boozles.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      June 3, 2021 at 4:33 am | #

      That, or it’s a reasonable amount of boozles mixed unreasonably with psych meds.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 3, 2021 at 8:37 am | #

      For Ruth, any boozles are too many.

  20. NotThatDrew
    NotThatDrew
    June 3, 2021 at 12:28 am | #

    Making/serving drinks is just the base requirement. Good bartenders are also there to lend an ear/advice as needed, and the best will keep you from acting like an idiot if they feel it’s necessary

    • NotThatDrew
      NotThatDrew
      June 3, 2021 at 12:30 am | #

      Welp, instead of accidentally replying to someone as is common here, I managed to forget to hit reply on Skemono’s comment

  21. Nono
    Nono
    June 3, 2021 at 12:31 am | #

    For some strange reason, I’m getting ‘Daisy escaped through the bathroom window, didn’t she’ vibes.

    I know it wouldn’t make sense, but if it happens, I called it.

    • Lingo
      Lingo
      June 3, 2021 at 12:45 am | #

      yep me too

    • Eldritchy
      Eldritchy
      June 3, 2021 at 5:44 am | #

      That or she is watching them vibe from the bathroom door and is all sad that Jason stole her date.

  22. BBCC
    BBCC
    June 3, 2021 at 12:32 am | #

    Jason is a great bartender. I’m proud of him.

    And of course – RUTH NO.

    • a/snow/mous/e
      a/snow/mous/e
      June 3, 2021 at 10:01 am | #

      yeah unfortunately it’s not a bartender’s job to ask “are you an alcoholic?”

  23. Delicious Taffy
    Delicious Taffy
    June 3, 2021 at 12:34 am | #

    For the record, if I ever work at a bar or suchlike, I’m totally printing out Panel 3 and putting it in a frame on the wall.

    • NotThatDrew
      NotThatDrew
      June 3, 2021 at 12:37 am | #

      Having worked behind a bar for one summer, I wholeheartedly support this idea.

  24. Andy
    Andy
    June 3, 2021 at 12:41 am | #

    Bad Ruth! You should at least wear a t-shirt under your jersey. The less you have to wash them, the better. Plus they don’t tend to be terribly comfortable on bare skin.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 3, 2021 at 12:48 am | #

      We’ve seen her in a tank to that looks a lot like that, before, so maybe she’s wearing it now? On the other hand, I’m pretty sure Ruth’s bras are pretty plain, based on what I can remember.

    • crow
      crow
      June 3, 2021 at 2:23 pm | #

      She normally does, but she’s on a date

      • Andy
        Andy
        June 3, 2021 at 4:58 pm | #

        The fact that she’s on a date at a pizza place wearing that jersey is also giving me anxiety. I mean, I’m fairly sure Willis based it on the 2016-17 Reebok jerseys based on the collar, the 2 narrow stripes on the arm, and the wide stripe at the base, so if it gets a stain that won’t come out, good luck finding one of them that won’t set you back a couple hundred bucks.

  25. C.T. Phipps
    C.T. Phipps
    June 3, 2021 at 12:42 am | #

    Poor Billie had a great plan to pimp her ex for a college newspaper position.

    She’ll have to go back to supervillain school.

  26. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    June 3, 2021 at 12:52 am | #

    I think Daisy has probably wrecked that bathroom. Like just fucking destroyed it. Walky would be proud.

    • jupiterror
      jupiterror
      June 3, 2021 at 1:10 am | #

      amen to that

    • DrunkenNordmann
      DrunkenNordmann
      June 3, 2021 at 3:35 am | #

      In that case we should pity whoever has to clean that bathroom after closing up.

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        June 3, 2021 at 4:35 am | #

        That’s probably a good rule in general.

  27. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    June 3, 2021 at 1:10 am | #

    …What.

  28. Amos Batista
    Amos Batista
    June 3, 2021 at 1:51 am | #

    Little spoiler: the title of first capitule of book 12 is already in the air. You all can see it in “Archives” page. You’be seen it by me :).

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      June 3, 2021 at 3:20 am | #

      Incidentally (since there’s one more chapter in Book 11 after this one), that makes this the first book to have more than four chapters since 2012 – Books 1 and 2 had six chapters each, but 3 through 10 had four each.

      • Amos Batista
        Amos Batista
        June 3, 2021 at 8:42 am | #

        Yeah, I’d figured it out.
        And what’s about the title: Sister, Christian? I wonder who is this person that will be focused…

        • King Daniel
          King Daniel
          June 3, 2021 at 1:52 pm | #

          My guess? Becky (who’s effectively Joyce’s adoptive sister) finds out about Joyce’s current outlook.

        • RassilonTDavros
          RassilonTDavros
          June 3, 2021 at 3:38 pm | #

          I’m really hoping it’s a Jocelyne arc (maybe even about her coming out?) but Becky learning that Joyce is an atheist seems more likely. I think Dorothy probably suspects as much in light of this conversation, so it makes sense for Becky to be the next to learn— and the fact that Dorothy knew first would likely hurt her a lot. It could be both, I suppose— actually, those two things combined could be a really good story.

          Come to think of it, we don’t really know much about Jocelyne’s religious beliefs, do we? Unless it was in a Patreon strip or something. Hoping that gets explored at some point.

  29. Lulu
    Lulu
    June 3, 2021 at 4:50 am | #

    I wonder if Jason would be saying the same about consent if drunk Ruth would be making a move on him later when it will turn Daisy fled.

  30. Keulen
    Keulen
    June 3, 2021 at 4:52 am | #

    How long has Daisy been in the bathroom now? It seems like she’s been there an awfully long time.

    • Wagstaff
      Wagstaff
      June 3, 2021 at 4:57 am | #

      Uh… I think it’s only been a few minutes. Or even just seconds, for that matter.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 3, 2021 at 5:44 am | #

      Irritable Bowel Syndrome is no laughing matter. This is the second time nature’s call has interfered in her plans.

  31. Sombrero
    Sombrero
    June 3, 2021 at 5:41 am | #

    Since when Jason is capable of showing real empathy??? (Panels 2 & 3). This can only have one logical explanation: He’s really Mike. And he’s drunk.

    • RedCat
      RedCat
      June 3, 2021 at 4:04 pm | #

      I think it helps when he likes people, and he just got to talk trash about America with Ruth, so, that’s one reason to like her. Also they have similar fuckups and shitty home situations, so he can also relate to her.

  32. Needfuldoer
    Needfuldoer
    June 3, 2021 at 5:42 am | #

    I just hope Daisy realizes how intoxicated Ruth’s gotten herself. Maybe she’ll call off the snu-snu so as to not take advantage of her current state.

    It would build trust between them and let the “Daisy never gets any” gag continue running.

    • RassilonTDavros
      RassilonTDavros
      June 3, 2021 at 3:38 pm | #

      Trust building is good.

  33. AGV
    AGV
    June 3, 2021 at 6:28 am | #

    I think that this still has good potential for their relationship in the long run.

    It going so bad that it’s ending early, so it gives the perfect chance to start over either as friends or lovers.

  34. ValdVin
    ValdVin
    June 3, 2021 at 6:32 am | #

    Daisy might yet learn exactly how far down those freckles go.

    (Yes, I have them, and a fellow redhead once used this line on me, very effectively.)

  35. JBento
    JBento
    June 3, 2021 at 6:59 am | #

    I’m liking bartender Jason a whole lot more than I liked TA Jason.

    • Alex
      Alex
      June 3, 2021 at 11:03 am | #

      I know, right? I think he’s found his true calling.

  36. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    June 3, 2021 at 7:18 am | #

    Ruth saying “Enough” to the alcohol give me hopes this will not become a total disaster. Jason is actually a great bartender, he looks to care for Ruth’s sake and stop her to do stupid things. But now I’m starting to be worried for Daisy. She’s taking really a lot of time.

  37. Edwin I Callahan
    Edwin I Callahan
    June 3, 2021 at 7:43 am | #

    Ruth doesn’t think she deserves Daisy (or anyone); hence the self-sabotage, the drinking and the general Ruthiness. The really sad thing is Ruth trying to work up the nerve to offer Daisy a sympathy bone because she feels bad Daisy is so desperate she’s willing to settle for her.
    Also, I am getting a little worried that Daisy’s been gone so long. Maybe she did bail (Because she thinks she doesn’t deserve Ruth or Daisy’s learning she has a previously undiagnosed but serious condition that can be triggered by extreme stress. Remember who writes this strip.

    • drs
      drs
      June 3, 2021 at 7:54 pm | #

      Pooping of Age.

      In theme with Dorothy and Walky’s turdplay.

      • Wagstaff
        Wagstaff
        June 3, 2021 at 10:40 pm | #

        At least Edmund Mcmillen and Arale are not alone in their extraordinary obsession with poop.

  38. Disastroid
    Disastroid
    June 3, 2021 at 7:49 am | #

    Ruth is getting drunk and thinking about someone else’s feelings, which is better than getting drunk and simply dumping on herself until she passes out. It’s not pretty but it may be progress.

  39. Leadsynth
    Leadsynth
    June 3, 2021 at 7:55 am | #

    Does “too hot for me” mean “too attractive for me” or “too horny for me”?

    • Juanoku
      Juanoku
      June 3, 2021 at 8:01 am | #

      Yes

  40. Alan in DC
    Alan in DC
    June 3, 2021 at 8:41 am | #

    A-ann-nd here comes the moment when Ruth realizes, through the ‘clarity’ of fermented & distilled spirits, that she is actually bi and jumps Jason’s boney British bones behind the bar.

    • a/snow/mous/e
      a/snow/mous/e
      June 3, 2021 at 10:02 am | #

      ruth’s BEEN bi

      • a/snow/mous/e
        a/snow/mous/e
        June 3, 2021 at 10:03 am | #

        like Word of Willis has always been that Ruth is bisexual. no epiphany of identity necessary here.

        • Alex
          Alex
          June 3, 2021 at 11:02 am | #

          But she’s still pretty young and has seemed unsure about her sexuality before. Willis knows things about his characters that they may not have realized themselves.

          • Regalli
            Regalli
            June 3, 2021 at 12:11 pm | #

            She had a boyfriend in Canada, who Sir brought up during his awful visit. Ruth hadn’t realized she was interested in women as well before Jennifer, but she knew she was into guys beforehand and never showed the same confusion and discomfort about bisexuality that Jennifer did. Some ‘yeah this surprised me as well’ in a conversation with Howard, but she never felt like this was an outlier and recognizes that bisexuality wasn’t just made up for porn. Ruth has textually known she’s bi and into guys specifically for ages.

            • Alan in DC
              Alan in DC
              June 3, 2021 at 2:10 pm | #

              Odd, that’s not the vibe I got. Maybe I missed some context, but with Ruth’s boyfriend referred to in past tense, my head just jumped to her being into women exclusively, after a period of trials and experimentation with males in her youth and deciding it wasn’t for her.

              I went thru that with a lady I was serious about for several years. When she turned 30, she decided all men suck. She’s now 60, living in New Hampshire and married to a woman. But it took her time with me for her real self to emerge.

            • Alex
              Alex
              June 3, 2021 at 4:58 pm | #

              I seem to recall that she hadn’t done all that much sexually with her ex-boyfriend. Some lesbians will date a boy before they realize their own sexuality. Ruth may know she’s bisexual but she may also be uncertain, if she’s never had sex with a man. It hasn’t been addressed that much in the comic from what I remember.

              • Spencer
                Spencer
                June 3, 2021 at 6:19 pm | #

                It was never mentioned either way so why the hell are we constantly looking for reasons why Ruth is not actually bi.

                Look I’m not blaming you for any of this, y’all’ve been conditioned for a longass time, but maybe finding out someone likes the same gender shouldn’t automatically mean gay all the time anymore.

                • Regalli
                  Regalli
                  June 3, 2021 at 8:10 pm | #

                  Seriously, she has expressed no angst about being bi, and surprise/mild confusion about being attracted to women, but no onscreen reexamination of her attraction to men – she thinks she has bigger things to worry about anyway. Given she still remembers Ciaran’s name years down the line and is willing to bring it up later against Clint’s abuse, that suggests he did mean a fair bit to her (as does Clint’s awareness and dismissal of him.) You’d think if she did dramatically reassess/question her attraction to men this would occur onscreen, and that it would include reassessment of a past relationship she canonically had and valued. Occam’s razor suggests that she’s pretty comfortable with herself and not thinking a ton about her attraction one way or another – she may not be calling herself bisexual, but I don’t think she’d be surprised to find herself attracted to a man again.

                  There’s no reason to believe she’s questioning her sexuality. People are in fact allowed to go ‘oh huh’ and then roll with it.

              • Sam
                Sam
                June 3, 2021 at 6:30 pm | #

                You don’t need to have sex with a man to be certain if you feel attraction to them. Even if she chose not to do stuff with her ex-bf, which I can’t recall being mentioned in that type of context either way, she hasn’t wavered in her sexuality like Jennifer has and just accepted she was bi without hesitation. Don’t really have to address something in this comic over and over if it doesn’t have drama attached and all. It is more Danny and Jennifer’s thing to be insecure about that for different reasons, though Danny has pretty much accepted it now, Jennifer clearly hasn’t.

          • Spencer
            Spencer
            June 3, 2021 at 7:15 pm | #

            Actually never mind I’m blaming you for saying this now.

            “A bi person doesn’t actually know” like, I ain’t got a polite way to address this. That is not an okay thing to say about bi folk and you should feel ashamed of yourself.

  41. Hilzabub
    Hilzabub
    June 3, 2021 at 9:02 am | #

    I’m just wondering if there’s a truck waiting around some corner to test Ruth’s regret levels

    • a/snow/mous/e
      a/snow/mous/e
      June 3, 2021 at 10:04 am | #

      I don’t think she’s showing much integrity at the moment

  42. raultsi
    raultsi
    June 3, 2021 at 10:21 am | #

    well, I never.

    Titty pics are a thing? How come I’ve never received one? Uh-huu-huu-huu-heart-rending-huu

  43. FacelessDeviant
    FacelessDeviant
    June 3, 2021 at 10:39 am | #

    Speaking of consent. I don’t think bartenders are allowed to confiscate cell phones.

  44. Wakeangel2001
    Wakeangel2001
    June 3, 2021 at 1:20 pm | #

    so that’s where the logic chain comes from…

  45. RedCat
    RedCat
    June 3, 2021 at 4:05 pm | #

    I’m sorry, I could swear I’ve seen that little symbol before in Binding of Isaac, do the Leafs have a deal with the devil or something?

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 3, 2021 at 6:58 pm | #

      That’s just some string laced up in the front. Unfortunately.

  46. Alexandra
    Alexandra
    June 3, 2021 at 4:07 pm | #

    Ruth has a very good point, this tactic worked for me before

  47. Steelbright
    Steelbright
    June 4, 2021 at 2:54 am | #

    This strip alone makes me like Jason 100% more

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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Menace Level: up to date on his vaccinations
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