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To be honest, an olde timey ‘Hippie Free Love Commune’ might be something that’d help Danny, Ethan & Amber…and being gradually exposed to the aspect of *LOVE* that people would exhibit could be kinda therapeutic for Joyce (1. Sheltered upbringing and a virgin, 2. assaulted in one of her first close interactions with a potential…’intimate’ {my skin crawls to describe Ryan like this}, 3. in serious conflict about even seeing how others interact socially and sexually.)
Of course, they’d need to travel back in time about fifty years or so (gawd, has it been that long? I’m oooooooold… )
I’d try to come up with another one of my asinine contributions, but if I don’t get some sleep soon I’m going to be too rump-led to go outside tomorrow …
Even “biological sex” isn’t so easily defined solely through chromosomes since biology can’t be reduced to genotypes. During sexual differentiation you basically start out with a female base and it differentiates as male in the presence of a Y. Usually. But it happens procedurally, so you kind of have a scale, and there are a ton of pathways which can be broken or stopped on the way so you can land somewhere in the middle between the sexes. Now you can define Y makes a man and no Y makes a woman, but that doesn’t mean it’s biological reality, it’s just a distinction on a chromosomal level which doesn’t necessarily describe what phenotype you have. Intersex individuals can have unclear genetic, anatomic and/or hormonal sex. So in the end, even biological sex depends on our cultural interpretation of the facts. It’s super exciting. vuv I think in Germany intersexuality has legally been recognized two years ago, and people no longer have to give a sex on birth certificates and official papers if they are intersex to prevent surgery on children born with attributes of both sexes among other things. In combination with gender, there sure are a whole lot of options out there, it’s a magical world. ~ @ 0@
I know about Klinefelter and Turner syndromes. The distinction I made works with those cases. With Klinefelter, there’s still a Y chromosome, so you’re considered male. Vice versa for Turner – no Y chromosome, so you’re considered female.
Sorry, but it really doesn’t … chromosomes can undergo translocations that move parts around and there is at least one condition that results in XX individuals with all the ‘traditionally’ male parts … so you could apply that rule to them, but why would you want to?
No problem, I understand the desire to have some order and clarity … and simplification has led to huge progress in science … unfortunately biology is almost? never completely clear cut (and psychology appears to be much fuzzier) …
its quite fascinating really if you read down on that last link it turns out that a subset of the people with that condition don’t even have SRY (the ‘gene for maleness’) …
Speaking more abstractly, sex is a phenomenon on the level of the phenotype (as opposed to the X/Y-chromosomes, which are part of the genotype) and is determined during the development of the embryo. In the typical case, the chromosomes are a causal precursor to sex determination, but like most biological processes this one can be disrupted.
The place where there is a binary is assignation, though I believe that’s usually based on genitalia. So you get Designated Female/Male At Birth (DMAB/DFAB). It’s a harmful practice that does generate this false dichotomy. Sex and gender alike are more complex than binaries and a lot of people find them unhelpful concepts. Talking about a transperson’s ‘biological sex’ is weird and implies that, to use a fictional example, Jocelyne is a woman in a man’s body whereas actually it’s her body, so it’s a woman’s body, that was incorrectly designated male at birth.
We’d probably have less gender and sex based problems as society in general, at least. And equal toys for everybody! (We just need to make sure that there aren’t mass gene tests to determine whether a kid gets barbies or matchbox cars.) When everybody grows up together, there should be less prejudices.
As for the saneness: You seem to indicate men are less sane the women. I doubt this. And apart from the phenomena mentioned above, I strongly doubt the inherent insanities of human beings would be reduced by this.
Daisy: I do not agree. Biological sex continues to be a valid category in many context. For instnace, if we didn’t have this category, the doctors who performed sex change operations wouldn’t understand what they were doing. We can’t simply deny biology because we dislike its harmful consquences.
That’s… really not even a little true. You can have a concept of what a penis or vagina looks like and how they work without correlating them to a concept of binary biological sex that, as we’ve had many examples of in this very discussion isn’t really in any way accurate. It’s not “denying biology”, it’s changing our understanding of it.
It’s a valid category because it helps us organize our lives, but biological sex isn’t defined through biology itself, but it’s a cultural interpretation of biological data. I kid you not, there legitimately is no such thing as a globally valid and independent definition of biological sex as dictated purely by biology without humans picking and choosing whether they want to define it on a genetic, an anatomic or a hormonal level (or maybe even something else). It’s not about denying biology. Our biology will always be our biology, but biological sex is subject to change throughout the years. For example, western countries are starting to officially recognize intersex as a third biological sex on birth certificates and passports since not every human can be defined as a man or a woman on a genetic, anatomic or hormonal level. There is no definition of biological sex I have ever seen which can clearly sort every person in the world into male and female, because the idea that only male and female can exist is a human construct, and not some rule set in stone by biology.
Additional sexes like intersex change absolutely nothing on the expertise or procedures of sex change surgeons since what constitutes as male and female primary and secondary organs has never been up for debate. They don’t give a rat’s bum about how we choose to define biological sex, and as mentioned before, anatomy can but doesn’t have to be part of it.
There is, off the top of my head, 5
Cisgender – AKA boys who are born boys and girls who are born girls – 2
Transgender – boys who are born girls and girls who are born boys – 4
and Gender Fluid – people who are both boys and girls, it depends on how they feel – 5
I probably missed some, being Cisgender myself, but you get the gist
As I understand it, there’s also:
Androgynous — people who’re neutral or apathetic, & default to their biological sex rather than matching it
For practical purposes, we might fall under cisgender, but it could be argued that we’re a subset of genderfluid. I admit to being pretty ignorant of this field, though.
I guess my confusion here is that we’re still using two classifications, although it’s been pointed out that there’s a murky middle as well (basicaly a ‘neither’ category). I thought the concept of being cisgender, transsexual, etc. was that your physiological gender was mismatched with your psychological gender – as opposed to being in a completely different category than males and females.
Pick a number between 0 and 1 (inclusive), multiply it by “male”. Pick a(nother) number (can be the same number if you want) between 0 and 1, multiply it by “female”. Add those together to get a possible gender. So there’s an uncountable infinity of genders.
Standard male and standard female would be (1,0) and (0,1) respectively; “both genders” (1,1), “neither gender” (0,0), and “grey-gendered” (0.5,0.5) are all different things; you can be “very male and kind of female” (1,0.5) or the reverse; you can be “a little more female than male” (0.4,0.6) or “not much of anything, but slightly female” (0,0.1); and as I said, there are infinite possibilities.
And then this doesn’t take into account the interaction with biological sex. Is a (0,1) who was born male different from a (0,1) who was born female? Does it matter if the (0,1) who was born male has had any form of gender reassignment yet? Disloyal Subject’s comment on androgynous people who “default to their biological sex” suggests there’s at least some meaningful thing there, especially since that’s how I’ve often described myself: I have no reason to prefer being male to female, but I have no reason to prefer being female to male either, so I default to the one I was born as. But if you call me a (0.5,0.5) for having no preference, there’s still some difference between me an a similar (0.5,0.5) who was born and defaults to female; and if you say I’m a (0.6,0.4), there’s a difference between me, who is defaulting to biological sex, and an (0.6,0.4) who has an intrinsic, though slight, preference for being male.
At what point do we stop talking about gender, and start talking about personality quirks, then? Otherwise, you could get rather carried away with that system. That, and how in hell do you measure somebody to be (0.4,0.1), for instance, and not (0.8,0.2)?
Note that at this point I’ve pretty much conceded my original position in a different debate; I’m just trying to figure out how this particular assertion can even function.
Same direction, half the magnitude. Thus, gender is perhaps less important for person A. Note that it can be scaled all the way down to zero, where the agenders live.
Ambitious: the word “vector” is useful mental shorthand for the idea you’re describing.
I don’t know if your way of arithmetizing this is necessarily very helpful. Personal identity, whether we are speaking of gender identity or something else, is not a magnitude, but your way of representing yourself in relation to the norms and institutions of your society. Society addresses you and asks: who are you? And identity is your way of answering that question. The circumstances in which society demands of you to produce an identity is not always such that free variation along a set of continuous dimensions is a possibility. To take a facile example: when you have to decide whether to use the men’s or the women’s bathroom, the choice is binary, and exclusive.
There are ways to make the bathroom choice inclusive, but most of them get you into trouble. Loopholes and hypothetical troublemaking, huzzah!
For example: one might try demolishing the wall that seperates these so-called “rest” rooms, or use their silver tounge to get a very unconventional equality based rebellion to do so, depending on one’s skills. (This is likely close to the least probable method, since it’d be difficult to start, and even more so to finish.)
Don’t try this at home! The average home has unisex bathrooms, which are rarely situated beside each other, so it’d be kinda pointless. Don’t take this as permission to blame me for any bathroom related transgressions either, almost nobody will take “Sergent Wadey Wilson sent me here on a secret mission!” as a valid reason for anything.
Depends on what type of person one is. Numerically approaching the genderstuff helped me a bit to understand my own and is easy to explain for many people. Currently I’m thinking about whether the topology of gender (yet to be properly defined) is metrizable. Less easy to explain, more fun and more interesting. Also thinking about: Maybe it’s even a (normed) vector space. And what could a scalar product be there?
I have come to a point where I respect people who identify that they’re another gender but also don’t follow that particular set of beliefs. I will always see people as binary who now have the technology to switch between them.
That’s actually not very respectful– if someone is nonbinary and you call them a binary gender, you are misgendering them, and that’s not okay, even if you don’t “follow that set of beliefs.”
Yeah? I’m agender. What do you see me as? or could it be that you need to see my body before you can think up an acceptable gender in place of what I already told you I am?
I personally have been agender for as long as I can remember, in the same way that other people have been boys or girls for as long as they can remember. I don’t switch anything to anything. I just am.
I’d probably see you as whatever your born with. Unless you were born the ultimate life form I imagine you’re one or the other. Now what you define yourself as is completely different. To me it doesn’t really matter cuz I try to treat people equally. I’ll just accept that that’s what YOU believe and not bring it up. I’m respectful but blunt.
Well, so long as you accept that if you say awful shit like this on my website again, you won’t get to post on it anymore. I’m fucking serious. I don’t care that you think you’re hedging some sort of imaginary middle ground and that by pawning off this “this is what I believe” crap that you’re immune from consequences, because in this subject there is no middle ground. There is not being a turd and being a turd. Don’t be a turd.
I’m not trying to be awful…I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings. I want everyone to be happy and feel comfortable in their own bodies and I don’t want anyone to feel bad about that. I guess I phrased my point kind of mean but I think it’s a lot to ban me forever over. But it’s your call, I guess. I’m don’t really understand how these things work. But if I’m being so bad you gotta threaten me then I guess I’ll just have to keep some of my opinions to myself.
@Yotomoe: no hate from me if that helps, I personally hope you don’t get banned or leave, but again that probably doesn’t mean much. If you want to learn more about why what you were saying was considered offensive there has been a lively discussion elsewhere in today’s (well yesterday’s discussion section) that might be helpful?
I really only see you first by your username (Not helpful in this circumstance) then by your gravitar. So right now I see you as a girl, but if you were to change to a male picture, I’d see you as a male. Of course then you get something like “Amazi Stool” and you just become something random depending on whatever pronoun I happen to feel like typing at that moment.
If you wish to correct that behavior, alternate pronouns will be accepted! (And requested.) (Seriously, my pronoun system is insufficient, much like my Vespasian gas. It’s also malfunctional enough to have gotten me into an uncomfortable situation on one of these forums) (PLEEEAAASSEEE GIVE ME A NEW PRONOUN!!!! Between gender roles, nonbianary genders, Amazistool, transgenders, and gender neutral usernames, I’m constantly out of step when trying to talk to people!)
In English, “they” is slowly (re)gaining ground as a gender neutral pronoun. If your unsure, you can always use “they”. And then listen to all the Victorian grammarians complain about using a plural pronoun to refer to a singular person. Fortunately, they’re a dying breed, and I highly doubt there are any on this here forum.
There’s also agender (identifying as no gender), bigender (identifying as both male and female), genderqueer (generally nonspecific non-binary identity), neutrois (similar to agender), demigirl/boy (identifying partially as female/male but not entirely), etc.
Hence the Y chromosome rule. Being classified a male does not require having only an XY pair, it just requires having a Y chromosome. So, XY, XXY, and XYY all fall under male, while XX and XO fall under female.
Well, one more question before I go to bed. If the social constructs of ‘male’ and ‘female’ aren’t to be considered genders but instead used to define genders, then just what are they to be classified as?
I’m the last person to give an educated answer on this topic, but as I understand it ‘male’ and ‘female,’ aside from being biological sexes, are also subcategories of prefixgenders – eg cisgender males have male bodies & feel male, androgynous males have male bodies and don’t care, transgender males have female bodies and feel male, etc.
Don’t be sad! If you want your perspective to be reflected here you can enlighten us with your vision and perhaps rays a little consciousness in the process?
See, this is weird for me. People apparently always use celebrity voices. Whenever someone mentions that, they always reference them. I just kinda make up the voices on the fly to fit how they look.
It’s totally the opposite for me – I tend to remember comics as cartoons, and I can hear the characters speaking, but there isn’t a voice to the words.
I can’t say whose voice I attribute to Joe, it might just be one I heard sometime somewhere or one I made up. Sometimes I swear I can almost picture the character I think I heard it from, but like, it fits Joe so perfectly that he now overpowers the old connection.
I have a friend that Joyce reminds me of, so naturally I imagine her voice. But other characters’ voices come from my head.
I can never think of whose voice I’m hearing in (just that they’re vaguely familiar), until someone says something like “Sal is voiced by Applejack,” and then it’s “Yes! Yes, they totally are!”
I think he just wants someone to talk to about it, not that he is interested in Joe. It makes sense he would confide in Joe since he is Danny’s best friend and experienced in sex and attraction. I dont see this ending well but I think it’s good that Danny is talking to someone about it rather than stuffing and trying to pretend it’s not there.
Even then, with guys there still might be a few rounds left in the barrel from a while after. I’ve offered my own solution before, but seems most people don’t like a plasma shot to the genitals…
“I was totally reinforcing her sexual female energy by having hot and heavy inappropriate sex in her office. And if you get mad at me for that it makes you ALL hypocrites!”
If Joe does talk about this, I’m sure Penny will be fired. Leslie is faculty and should know the channels to report this sort of thing. Also, I don’t think she likes Penny enough to turn a blind eye, and the dean has already expressed annoyance at this sort of thing. In short, Penny’s probably going to get a rude awakening.
He probably recognizes that this is something that might freak Amber out though, and it seems to be a theme that very few people in the comic recognize being bi as a thing, so the only way he could present it is thinking he might be gay.
At the very least, he doesn’t seem to be aware of bisexuality. He is worried he might be gay.
Still, right here he’s managed to broach the subject pretty effectively. He does seem to have put some thought into how he can describe his feelings without up and saying “I might be gay”.
Plus, with the way lesbianism is fetshized, a whole lot could be brushed off as him just being interested in his girlfriend’s potential past sexy experiences if the conversation starts going somewhere undesirable. Would be a whole lot easier to backtrack than it will be now that he’s asked his best manfriend.
Of all the people he could choose, he chose the only one with a positive sex life that’s free of most of the squicky aspects everyone else has, aside from his ex-girlfriend, ha ha. Joe was probably the best choice.
This is gonna be Joe’s acid(-reflux) test for me. If he manages to actually give Danny some sound advice, I’ll be a lot more willing to overlook some aspects of his casual lechery.
“Ya want me to tell a story about the bees and the other bees, kiddo?”
“Um, actually most bees are female so that would be an ill fitting metap…”
“Sex is like Mario Cart, you don’t have to follow a manual. There, we had the talk and everything. Get out of my hair.”
“Luscious chocolate haiiiiiir.”
“Shut up, Joyce”
I keep forgetting that Danny and Dorothy know each other. Dorothy would probably be a good person to talk to about things like that, but I can’t see Danny going to her as things stand between them.
I’ve been rooting for Dorothy to be the one he opens up to from day 1 because she really does seem like the best option but I don’t know if he’s ready to be friends with her yet. Even if she is overall a very level headed and non judgmental person it would probably still be awkward for him to discuss his sexual identity issues with his ex girlfriend. Also even if we know bisexuality’s a thing and Dorothy likely does too I think Danny would probably still be worried she’d write him off as gay and potentially bring into question their past sexual relationship. Plus he knows she and Amber are more or less okay with each other now and more or less friendly acquaintances. I don’t know if Dorothy would be comfortable knowing more about Amber’s boyfriend than Amber does considering she already feels she knows more about Amber than she has a right to.
If things go awry with Joe (and god knows they will) then Dorothy is the next logical choice. He can’t really talk to Ethan or Amber about it and he has no significant connection to other cast members. It’ll be super awkward trying to talk to his ex-girlfriend about his attraction to men, but awkward is Danny’s middle name.
Plus, it’d be nice for Danny and Dorothy to get along again. Danny could use more friends in the cast.
This is the man who’s already dismissed Walky’s idiotic views on masculinity and put Danny in his place about patronising women who want sex. I’d say there’s a fair chance he’ll do fine on this one.
For future reference: Any comment after and including Yotomoe’s “I learned it from you! I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!” cannot be properly replied to and such replies are instead added to the end of the list, after all the others (like this one). Non-replies are added before Yotomoe’s comment, which is why I’m “replying” to Swoop.
This whole rigmarole is because someone posted a Patreon spoiler and were subsequently banished from the realm.
@Brumagem, you are going to have to refer to the name of the person, else include a piece of the comment you are replying to in yours. This is currently a nonfunctional mess.
He’s pretty much try to hint to a question if joe even gotten curious about other then just chicks or not without being to forward about it…
With that said, i gladly take over for joe honestly if he won’t talk about it, cuz in my opinion danny may not be the smartest but he’s pretty cute and honest kind a guy who i aleast would know din’t run around and have sub-plots all the time….
Danny doesn’t recognize that he’s bisexual. He’s confused about his feelings towards Ethan, and he’s trying to figure them out, so he’s asking his best friend if he’s ever felt anything for someone who wasn’t a girl.
I think he’s trying to reassure himself that the most heterosexual guy he knows has had sexual thoughts about other guys so he can feel confident in his heterosexuality even though he totally wants to make the sexo loco with Ethan.
Joe, I could kind of forgive you for constantly mocking Danny when he comes to you for help because he has been self-centered and repeating the same mistakes over the course of the comic, plus you were missing a lot of context in the Amber/Amazi-Girl situation, but I will be so pissed off if you blow him off now of all times. Treat this boy right for once.
I don’t think Joe would be prejudiced against bisexuals (though he may be ignorant like Danny is), but I think he’s very capable of being a dick right now and I really hope he chooses not to be.
This is something I’ve been waiting to happen for a long time. Danny’s eventually going to open up about his feelings to somebody, and his best friend seems like the best place to start.
Of course, how tomorrow’s strip goes will determine whether Joe is a good friend or further my desire to run him over with a combine harvester.
You know, I bet that is exactly what’s going on in Joe’s head. He has been almost comically apathetic about things that doesn’t have to do with HIM getting laid. Like when Sarah confronted him about dating Joyce might not be the best of ideas, and all he got from it was the idea of a threesome.
So I don’t think he gives any fucks about who Danny fucks (as long as he fucks, of course because otherwise – what the fuck?), but he thinks Danny wants to rope him into it somehow, as sex instructor, as partner in a threesome or just a regular gay sex partner.
And since he thinks Danny is a wimp who was also his childhood friend he’s thinking “Seriously, I can do so much better than you Danny.”
In Joe’s own words, he’s a 10 and Danny’s a 7 – in other words, he’s clearly out of Danny’s league :p
I can’t imagine that Joe would care about Danny being gay or bi at all, as long as he wasn’t involved personally, or that he’d respond to this situation with any malice. Not that it’ll stop him from being a totally unhelpful jerk for the rest of this conversation.
You know, I wonder if Danny scored any brownie points saying “genders” instead of “other gender”. He can be kind of frustratingly traditional in some regards, but he seems to know a little more than I would have thought. Good on you, Danny.
the mental image I had was “futilely trying to remove any semblance of awkwardness by phrasing it as though from the POV of a space alien observing humans”
AS a Space Alien observing Humans, I’m more prone to just saying what I’m thinking. Problem is, it can cause problems when you cross some unknown line & make things awkward. Gotta admit, the reactions do get pretty funny at times…
I know there’s scarf-colour-codes apparently. Have 1 in your back pocket, & it tells others what you’re into. Found a Youtube video about it. Not gonna link it tho, if you wanna see it, you gotta find it…
Yeah no, I don’t think so. I have heard about something like that on the Internet (well, at least a decade back), but that sounds way too much like something circulating among parents in email forwards or made up wholesale by some fundie preachers.
You know, like the surefire ways to tell your child is a drug addict or planning to shoot up the school or whatever else scandalizes a parent.
I’m not 100% sure about that. He hasn’t been established to be cool with that stuff, and I’m pretty sure he’s made a couple casual remarks expressing discomfort with non-straightness in the past.
Like when Danny woke up all groggy, saw Roz in his room, and said “Man, Joe’s way hotter than he used to be” Joe pops on screen with a big frown on his face saying “Don’t go down that road, dude.” That road seemingly referring dudeloving.
Plus, much as his heart’s in the right place a lot of the time, his past attempts at supporting Danny have been really misguided and ineffective, causing a lot more harm than good. Tried to hook Danny up with Sarah assuming that Danny wants what Joe Wants. Then when Danny comes in with a new girl he’s eying Joe makes a huge scene over how much she looks like Danny’s ex right in front of her. If he can’t effectively navigate these differences within the framework for the standard culturally normative desires, I suspect the problem will only be exacerbated once Danny exits that framework.
Maybe, but “don’t go down that road” could be more about getting hit on himself. You made me wonder about casual remarks, but I couldn’t find many. What kind of threesome is about himself again, and betting Walky is gay isn’t that much to go on.
We do know Joe is sort of accepting of female homosexuality, in the really immature way of objectifying it. So my guess is he might also be sort of accepting of male homosexuality in an immature way, you know, the kind where it’s ok for some non-macho people but better stay far away. But it’s only a guess.
It’s possible. The wording was imprecise, leaving much open to interpretation.
Just saying, there’s nothing in particular indicating he’s on the level with this subject, and at least one remark that might be indicating he’s not. Joe might handle this okay, but then again he might not.
And then there’s the time Amber grossed out Joe by asking if he was first in line for the next shot at Danny while he had a sock on the door. Not sure if he was grossed out by the thought of doing dudes, or the thought of doing Danny, though.
We can hope this conversation will go well for Danny, but honestly my expectations are not high here.
@Screwball, Yeah, I think we have something like that at my grocery school. But I’d still have to get (And thus count so that I wouldn’t end up short) 100 nickles!
Yeah, I know the so called ‘exploding batteries’ just sort of burst into flames … but well you know … puns and other word-play are even more irresistible to me than pedantry …
You’ve got the right idea Danny. You experience new and strange thoughts and feelings. Asking a friend who knows more about that sort of things is a good idea.
Too bad the friend in question is a bit of a douche.
Because of stuff like this. Joe does zero effort to understand Danny’s feelings* and spends equal time mocking him for being a sex-less wimp and giving him “help” that would only benefit Danny if he was like Joe, which Joe is well aware he isn’t.
Danny still operates on their childhood relationship as best friends (even if he seems to have got the message that those days are long past), while Joe seem to have decided to be too cool for friends. Now he has wingmen instead (that’s why Jacob is his new Main Man, not Danny).
Friends growing apart is nothing new and nobodies fault, but Joe is still unnecessarily rude to Danny.
*) Which is why it’s a bit thin to say that he wouldn’t hurt Danny intentionally – he puts zero effort into actually learn and understand what would and wouldn’t hurt Danny.
I forgot that happened. Joe can be a douche. But I don’t think he is so much of a douche that he would blow off Danny now. This is different. They may heve grown apart, but not so apart as to ignore somthing like this.
Also, Does Danny have any other friends? He seems lonely now that I think about it.
He’s not as maniacally social as Joyce, but given the short time frame of the comic he’s done a decent job getting new friends. Amber/Amazi-girl, Ethan and Sal (well, to some extent).
He would probably have more friends by now if he hadn’t a) had his trademark lousy luck being dumped by Dorothy and roped in with Blaine, which took a lot of energy, b) hadn’t started to date a vigilante and thus had to keep a low profile to not expose her secret identity and c) had spent less time being resentful at people like Roz and Joe for not conforming to his views and more time actively seeking out people who did (like he did with Ethan).
Bagge, Remember, Joe is also mad at Danny for basically constantly running off and ignoring him since they started college. They had a whole argument about it in front of Jacob.
That is a very good point. I think a lot of their interaction can be summed up as “we used to have fun but now we have grown apart and have different ideas abut what fun is, and we are angry with each other for not having my kind of fun any longer”
In that light, Joe didn’t try to be insensitive with Danny when Dorothy broke up with him, he tried to congratulate him on being free for doing the sexy college things. Then he got grumpy when Danny didn’t follow the script.
Danny: “So, Joe, anyway, have you ever wanted to drive on the Hersey Highway, y’know, play the skin flute, go to a Gay bar, walk on the wild side, polish the knob, cruise the public bathrooms, wear makeup, check out a bath house, listen to show tunes, Judy Garland and Bette Milder, y’know, stuff like that?”
Joe: “Huh, sorry buddy, I wasn’t listening, I was thinking about that last chicks tight little cooter.”
Feeling really protective of Danny now and don’t want him to get hurt. I just want him to be okay. These used to not be feelings I had about Danny, now I do. Go figure.
We’ll see tomorrow, walkyverse/shortpacked Joe grew up at some point, grew a beard… Wait… Stubble here…. Hmm… But grew a beard and became a much better person, so there is hope.
Okay, Joe. I’ve never liked you in this universe. But I don’t want to hate you. Now is the time to put me in my place and show me you can be something other the a giant douchebag to someone coming out to you! Show me the error of my ways, big guy! Come on! You can do it!
You know what, to be honest, I think Joe is gonna be pretty chill about this. He and Danny are super close, and I think the only awkward thing is that Danny is asking him if he fucks dudes, and Joe is like “um why do you care who I’m fucking.” I don’t see Joe as homophobic in any sense of the term.
I mean I could be wrong.
I think that Joe will either say “Yes I tried it and discovered I’m not into dudes” or “No I’ve never considered it” or maybe even “Yes, I’ve thought about it” or “Yes I’ve done the do with dudes.” I can even see him saying “It’s not gay if it’s a three-way!” and trying to get a high five from Danny. But I don’t think he will look down on Danny for the question, or for Danny being bi.
Yeah, it’s not a good look for him. He sucks when he is out of balance or control of the limited things he can control. That’s when he needs a friend to help him make the jump to the next level, like Joyce and Robin have in the past
Probably. It’s easy to forget that despite the airs he puts on, it’s new for him to be able to cut loose like this. Lived with one of his parents until recently. Had all the difficulties that come with that. High school faculty was probably a lot less eager to sex up students in the office too for obvious reasons.
That’s a good thing to keep in mind. Joe is trying very, very hard to live up to a pretty limiting ideal. To be fair, he is doing a good job of it but his ideal of bro-who-is-getting-it-like-all-the-time is very hard to actually live rather than just aspire too.
*-* oh that reminds me how much i wanna see other genders in doa.
like
god an agender character would make me feel so good in my heart.
But i digress, i hope this talk winds up being a good bonding/realization moment and not a hilarious disaster of miscommunication. though i feel the “WILLIS!”-es coming.
If I remember right, it’s in East Coast USA time. That link’s what I worked out when I asked. Should be able to work out what that translates into from there…
Unfortunately, I made the mistake of reading the comments too soon, and read the spoiler. Regardless, I appreciate your care to keep that off of here, as best you can. You definitely should not have to, ever. I love this comic, wholeheartedly, and I am glad you respect your fans enough to keep people off the site who would kill the surprise for us, not to mention taking advantage of their privileged access.
Just be glad no one has gone through the trouble of hacking DOA to do the biggest leak ever. I mean seriously, how many strips does Willis already have uploaded? I’ve heard it to be four months, but I think it’s larger now.
I would just turn off the internet, or not read comments. Which is the best option, regardless. Maybe request the binary version of the comic. Ones and zeroes only, please. Do not worry, I can read The Matrix, so this will be cake.
If you read Willis’s twitter feed (which is conveniently located right next to the comments), you will find that someone broke the “no Patreon spoilers” rule and a) had their comment deleted (unthreading all the replies and wreaking havoc with future replies) and b) were put in Willis’s spam folder for all eternity.
has it been confirmed that Danny is actually bisexual (instead of gay) or are we just basing this theory on the fact that he’s had a fairly long and somewhat successful hetero relationship and that he enjoys sex with females?
There’s actually a small net loss. Gay and bi people are rare, so it’s less of a gain than 100%. More like 5-10%. You also lose all the homophobic and biphobic straight people (there are actually women grossed out that a guy they want kissed/fucked another guy lol), and all the biphobic gay people.
Am I the only one who thinks that As the comic has progressed over the years, Joe has just looked like he’s been further and further from the last time he took a shower?
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“Uh… how MANY ‘others’…?”
The more, the merrier!
The entire cast should have a (whatever number)some
To be honest, an olde timey ‘Hippie Free Love Commune’ might be something that’d help Danny, Ethan & Amber…and being gradually exposed to the aspect of *LOVE* that people would exhibit could be kinda therapeutic for Joyce (1. Sheltered upbringing and a virgin, 2. assaulted in one of her first close interactions with a potential…’intimate’ {my skin crawls to describe Ryan like this}, 3. in serious conflict about even seeing how others interact socially and sexually.)
Of course, they’d need to travel back in time about fifty years or so (gawd, has it been that long? I’m oooooooold…
)
How many are there?
however many we want
I built my OWN gender out of BUTTS
OH NOES You gots the Butts Disease too.
It will not stop spreading until we are all sucked up our collective asses.
That’s a cheeky answer. (_._)
Bummer, all the good bun puns have already been used …
The butt puns will never end! There will always be someone to bring up the rear.
I rectum so…
Well, I guess there are always new asspects to explore …
I’m sure we’ve got a good arse-nal of puns. How long until we crack?
I wonder if I could crack out a good one.
These are some of the worst puns in the anals of history.
Now that was a great ass crack!
I’d try to come up with another one of my asinine contributions, but if I don’t get some sleep soon I’m going to be too rump-led to go outside tomorrow …
Don’t worry–if we all work together, we’ll get to the bottom of this.
Good job, you’ve exposed a bootyfull sunken treasure …
Sphincter
2.001
I cannot allow you to have that many Dave err Danny.
nice nagisa avatar
Kiitti! ^_^
… Look for my screw up. There were a ton listed recently.
Depends on whether or not you’re asking Robert Heinlein.
Two. Honestly, you either have a Y chromosome, or you don’t. Unless, of course, you’re actually a chicken.
Biological sex != gender. Not even close sometimes.
I was wondering what I was missing.
Even “biological sex” isn’t so easily defined solely through chromosomes since biology can’t be reduced to genotypes. During sexual differentiation you basically start out with a female base and it differentiates as male in the presence of a Y. Usually. But it happens procedurally, so you kind of have a scale, and there are a ton of pathways which can be broken or stopped on the way so you can land somewhere in the middle between the sexes. Now you can define Y makes a man and no Y makes a woman, but that doesn’t mean it’s biological reality, it’s just a distinction on a chromosomal level which doesn’t necessarily describe what phenotype you have. Intersex individuals can have unclear genetic, anatomic and/or hormonal sex. So in the end, even biological sex depends on our cultural interpretation of the facts. It’s super exciting. vuv I think in Germany intersexuality has legally been recognized two years ago, and people no longer have to give a sex on birth certificates and official papers if they are intersex to prevent surgery on children born with attributes of both sexes among other things. In combination with gender, there sure are a whole lot of options out there, it’s a magical world. ~ @ 0@
Gender is not determined by chromosomes, even though the two have a very high correlation. For example, Carla.
Let’s leave Carla out of this. We know too little of Carla in this universe, and Walkyverse Carla isn’t a human.
Willis has stated that Carla is still trans, just not “trans-human”. It’s one of the reasons, if not the only reason, she has her own room.
(pssst… klinefelter syndrome, among other things)
Even at the purely biological level gender is not exclusively binary … and with the effects of synthetic hormone mimics and disrupters we’re dumping into the environment and ourselves, this is something that is likely to become more common rather than less.
Sorry, about the link fail … intersex …
I know about Klinefelter and Turner syndromes. The distinction I made works with those cases. With Klinefelter, there’s still a Y chromosome, so you’re considered male. Vice versa for Turner – no Y chromosome, so you’re considered female.
Sorry, but it really doesn’t … chromosomes can undergo translocations that move parts around and there is at least one condition that results in XX individuals with all the ‘traditionally’ male parts … so you could apply that rule to them, but why would you want to?
Ah, I stand corrected, then. Got it now.
…Maybe.
No problem, I understand the desire to have some order and clarity … and simplification has led to huge progress in science … unfortunately biology is almost? never completely clear cut (and psychology appears to be much fuzzier) …
its quite fascinating really if you read down on that last link it turns out that a subset of the people with that condition don’t even have SRY (the ‘gene for maleness’) …
I wouldn’t say simplification leads to progress in science; it just helps me tidy things up in my mind.
Speaking more abstractly, sex is a phenomenon on the level of the phenotype (as opposed to the X/Y-chromosomes, which are part of the genotype) and is determined during the development of the embryo. In the typical case, the chromosomes are a causal precursor to sex determination, but like most biological processes this one can be disrupted.
Also I’m kinda surprised, nobody seems to have brought up my favourite sex-related phenomenon.
The place where there is a binary is assignation, though I believe that’s usually based on genitalia. So you get Designated Female/Male At Birth (DMAB/DFAB). It’s a harmful practice that does generate this false dichotomy. Sex and gender alike are more complex than binaries and a lot of people find them unhelpful concepts. Talking about a transperson’s ‘biological sex’ is weird and implies that, to use a fictional example, Jocelyne is a woman in a man’s body whereas actually it’s her body, so it’s a woman’s body, that was incorrectly designated male at birth.
@Rorror: That is amazing …
… I wonder what would happen if all guys were born with that condition … maybe we’d be saner?
We’d probably have less gender and sex based problems as society in general, at least. And equal toys for everybody! (We just need to make sure that there aren’t mass gene tests to determine whether a kid gets barbies or matchbox cars.) When everybody grows up together, there should be less prejudices.
As for the saneness: You seem to indicate men are less sane the women. I doubt this. And apart from the phenomena mentioned above, I strongly doubt the inherent insanities of human beings would be reduced by this.
Daisy: I do not agree. Biological sex continues to be a valid category in many context. For instnace, if we didn’t have this category, the doctors who performed sex change operations wouldn’t understand what they were doing. We can’t simply deny biology because we dislike its harmful consquences.
That’s… really not even a little true. You can have a concept of what a penis or vagina looks like and how they work without correlating them to a concept of binary biological sex that, as we’ve had many examples of in this very discussion isn’t really in any way accurate. It’s not “denying biology”, it’s changing our understanding of it.
It’s a valid category because it helps us organize our lives, but biological sex isn’t defined through biology itself, but it’s a cultural interpretation of biological data. I kid you not, there legitimately is no such thing as a globally valid and independent definition of biological sex as dictated purely by biology without humans picking and choosing whether they want to define it on a genetic, an anatomic or a hormonal level (or maybe even something else). It’s not about denying biology. Our biology will always be our biology, but biological sex is subject to change throughout the years. For example, western countries are starting to officially recognize intersex as a third biological sex on birth certificates and passports since not every human can be defined as a man or a woman on a genetic, anatomic or hormonal level. There is no definition of biological sex I have ever seen which can clearly sort every person in the world into male and female, because the idea that only male and female can exist is a human construct, and not some rule set in stone by biology.
Additional sexes like intersex change absolutely nothing on the expertise or procedures of sex change surgeons since what constitutes as male and female primary and secondary organs has never been up for debate. They don’t give a rat’s bum about how we choose to define biological sex, and as mentioned before, anatomy can but doesn’t have to be part of it.
There is, off the top of my head, 5
Cisgender – AKA boys who are born boys and girls who are born girls – 2
Transgender – boys who are born girls and girls who are born boys – 4
and Gender Fluid – people who are both boys and girls, it depends on how they feel – 5
I probably missed some, being Cisgender myself, but you get the gist
As I understand it, there’s also:
Androgynous — people who’re neutral or apathetic, & default to their biological sex rather than matching it
For practical purposes, we might fall under cisgender, but it could be argued that we’re a subset of genderfluid. I admit to being pretty ignorant of this field, though.
Another prominent one is agender – identifying as no gender.
There is also an opinion that being a cyborg is a gender: http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/murphy20150128
I do not hold this opinion. I just heard about it the other day.
I guess my confusion here is that we’re still using two classifications, although it’s been pointed out that there’s a murky middle as well (basicaly a ‘neither’ category). I thought the concept of being cisgender, transsexual, etc. was that your physiological gender was mismatched with your psychological gender – as opposed to being in a completely different category than males and females.
Pick a number between 0 and 1 (inclusive), multiply it by “male”. Pick a(nother) number (can be the same number if you want) between 0 and 1, multiply it by “female”. Add those together to get a possible gender. So there’s an uncountable infinity of genders.
Standard male and standard female would be (1,0) and (0,1) respectively; “both genders” (1,1), “neither gender” (0,0), and “grey-gendered” (0.5,0.5) are all different things; you can be “very male and kind of female” (1,0.5) or the reverse; you can be “a little more female than male” (0.4,0.6) or “not much of anything, but slightly female” (0,0.1); and as I said, there are infinite possibilities.
And then this doesn’t take into account the interaction with biological sex. Is a (0,1) who was born male different from a (0,1) who was born female? Does it matter if the (0,1) who was born male has had any form of gender reassignment yet? Disloyal Subject’s comment on androgynous people who “default to their biological sex” suggests there’s at least some meaningful thing there, especially since that’s how I’ve often described myself: I have no reason to prefer being male to female, but I have no reason to prefer being female to male either, so I default to the one I was born as. But if you call me a (0.5,0.5) for having no preference, there’s still some difference between me an a similar (0.5,0.5) who was born and defaults to female; and if you say I’m a (0.6,0.4), there’s a difference between me, who is defaulting to biological sex, and an (0.6,0.4) who has an intrinsic, though slight, preference for being male.
At what point do we stop talking about gender, and start talking about personality quirks, then? Otherwise, you could get rather carried away with that system. That, and how in hell do you measure somebody to be (0.4,0.1), for instance, and not (0.8,0.2)?
Note that at this point I’ve pretty much conceded my original position in a different debate; I’m just trying to figure out how this particular assertion can even function.
Same direction, half the magnitude. Thus, gender is perhaps less important for person A. Note that it can be scaled all the way down to zero, where the agenders live.
Ambitious: the word “vector” is useful mental shorthand for the idea you’re describing.
“Gender Vector” would be a great name for a zine about gender and sexuality…
I don’t know if your way of arithmetizing this is necessarily very helpful. Personal identity, whether we are speaking of gender identity or something else, is not a magnitude, but your way of representing yourself in relation to the norms and institutions of your society. Society addresses you and asks: who are you? And identity is your way of answering that question. The circumstances in which society demands of you to produce an identity is not always such that free variation along a set of continuous dimensions is a possibility. To take a facile example: when you have to decide whether to use the men’s or the women’s bathroom, the choice is binary, and exclusive.
There are ways to make the bathroom choice inclusive, but most of them get you into trouble. Loopholes and hypothetical troublemaking, huzzah!
For example: one might try demolishing the wall that seperates these so-called “rest” rooms, or use their silver tounge to get a very unconventional equality based rebellion to do so, depending on one’s skills. (This is likely close to the least probable method, since it’d be difficult to start, and even more so to finish.)
Don’t try this at home! The average home has unisex bathrooms, which are rarely situated beside each other, so it’d be kinda pointless. Don’t take this as permission to blame me for any bathroom related transgressions either, almost nobody will take “Sergent Wadey Wilson sent me here on a secret mission!” as a valid reason for anything.
Depends on what type of person one is. Numerically approaching the genderstuff helped me a bit to understand my own and is easy to explain for many people. Currently I’m thinking about whether the topology of gender (yet to be properly defined) is metrizable. Less easy to explain, more fun and more interesting. Also thinking about: Maybe it’s even a (normed) vector space. And what could a scalar product be there?
Me laugh at your petty genders! Me am too awesome to be contained by hu-man rules!
That mean narcissists have their own gender?!?
/silly
Sure – you’re only attracted to yourself.
That would be sexual preference, not one’s own gender.
I have come to a point where I respect people who identify that they’re another gender but also don’t follow that particular set of beliefs. I will always see people as binary who now have the technology to switch between them.
That’s actually not very respectful– if someone is nonbinary and you call them a binary gender, you are misgendering them, and that’s not okay, even if you don’t “follow that set of beliefs.”
Yeah? I’m agender. What do you see me as? or could it be that you need to see my body before you can think up an acceptable gender in place of what I already told you I am?
I personally have been agender for as long as I can remember, in the same way that other people have been boys or girls for as long as they can remember. I don’t switch anything to anything. I just am.
I’d probably see you as whatever your born with. Unless you were born the ultimate life form I imagine you’re one or the other. Now what you define yourself as is completely different. To me it doesn’t really matter cuz I try to treat people equally. I’ll just accept that that’s what YOU believe and not bring it up. I’m respectful but blunt.
Well, so long as you accept that if you say awful shit like this on my website again, you won’t get to post on it anymore. I’m fucking serious. I don’t care that you think you’re hedging some sort of imaginary middle ground and that by pawning off this “this is what I believe” crap that you’re immune from consequences, because in this subject there is no middle ground. There is not being a turd and being a turd. Don’t be a turd.
I’m not trying to be awful…I’m sorry if I hurt anyone’s feelings. I want everyone to be happy and feel comfortable in their own bodies and I don’t want anyone to feel bad about that. I guess I phrased my point kind of mean but I think it’s a lot to ban me forever over. But it’s your call, I guess. I’m don’t really understand how these things work. But if I’m being so bad you gotta threaten me then I guess I’ll just have to keep some of my opinions to myself.
Thank you, David. I appreciate what you did here.
Wow this got really ugly …
@Yotomoe: no hate from me if that helps, I personally hope you don’t get banned or leave, but again that probably doesn’t mean much. If you want to learn more about why what you were saying was considered offensive there has been a lively discussion elsewhere in today’s (well yesterday’s discussion section) that might be helpful?
I really only see you first by your username (Not helpful in this circumstance) then by your gravitar. So right now I see you as a girl, but if you were to change to a male picture, I’d see you as a male. Of course then you get something like “Amazi Stool” and you just become something random depending on whatever pronoun I happen to feel like typing at that moment.
If you wish to correct that behavior, alternate pronouns will be accepted! (And requested.) (Seriously, my pronoun system is insufficient, much like my Vespasian gas. It’s also malfunctional enough to have gotten me into an uncomfortable situation on one of these forums) (PLEEEAAASSEEE GIVE ME A NEW PRONOUN!!!! Between gender roles, nonbianary genders, Amazistool, transgenders, and gender neutral usernames, I’m constantly out of step when trying to talk to people!)
In English, “they” is slowly (re)gaining ground as a gender neutral pronoun. If your unsure, you can always use “they”. And then listen to all the Victorian grammarians complain about using a plural pronoun to refer to a singular person. Fortunately, they’re a dying breed, and I highly doubt there are any on this here forum.
No wonder. (see above for reasons)
There’s also agender (identifying as no gender), bigender (identifying as both male and female), genderqueer (generally nonspecific non-binary identity), neutrois (similar to agender), demigirl/boy (identifying partially as female/male but not entirely), etc.
Not to mention occasionally you get XXY…
Hence the Y chromosome rule. Being classified a male does not require having only an XY pair, it just requires having a Y chromosome. So, XY, XXY, and XYY all fall under male, while XX and XO fall under female.
Well, one more question before I go to bed. If the social constructs of ‘male’ and ‘female’ aren’t to be considered genders but instead used to define genders, then just what are they to be classified as?
I’m the last person to give an educated answer on this topic, but as I understand it ‘male’ and ‘female,’ aside from being biological sexes, are also subcategories of prefixgenders – eg cisgender males have male bodies & feel male, androgynous males have male bodies and don’t care, transgender males have female bodies and feel male, etc.
And there’s all the intersex conditions. Of which there are many
Turns out I’m REALLY into single celled organisms. But I don’t know what to count them as so…
Depends on if they have flagella or cilia.
Flagella…because bondage?
Danny: Turns out I’m really narcissistic and am totally into fucking my reflection. Is that wierd?
Depends how admirrorable you are?
Behind every glass is a silver lining, I will let you reflect on that for a moment.
This is transparently true … and yet upon refraction I can’t get behind the surface …
I’m a little sad because I thought this was a trans* pun at first and then I read the thread.
Don’t be sad! If you want your perspective to be reflected here you can enlighten us with your vision and perhaps rays a little consciousness in the process?
Hey, so am I right in guessing that your current green haired gravitar is actually a guy with an asshole friend named Karma?
Narcissistic lycanthropes must have it rough then.
Yep, they have to settle for grooming themselves in the mirror …
Cisgendered lycanthropes are the new normal. http://www.theonion.com/articles/typo-in-proposition-8-defines-marriage-as-between,6506/
Good news! They are totally into you as well
So you’re really turned on by a yeast infection, then. And petri dishes.
Depends on who you ask.
The serious answer is: plenty. Called non-binary folks.
I normally stop after the first twenty or so
Well, Joe is made of sex, so…
If Joe abstains from sex for more than a day he will return to the earth.
I guess that would be a real cum down?
Although, in Greco-Roman mythology, that might even count as sex.
Ooooohhhh………brain freeze!
“You know, I think I have a fetish for tall Jewish Men”.
Well he is very interested in the extra-curricular activities for it.
Does anyone else read Joe with the voice of Joe Swanson from Family Guy?
I give him H. Jon Benjamin’s voice.
I’ve been stuck on Daniel Henney, as an accident of he sounds like the voice I had in mind
See, this is weird for me. People apparently always use celebrity voices. Whenever someone mentions that, they always reference them. I just kinda make up the voices on the fly to fit how they look.
I’m weirder. Sometimes I watch movies, and it’s stored as text in my long term memory. No seriously, my recall has it in a little speech bubble.
It’s totally the opposite for me – I tend to remember comics as cartoons, and I can hear the characters speaking, but there isn’t a voice to the words.
Oh, I totes hear non-celebrity voices, but how do I explain those? Like, how would “like Willis” sound if you’ve never met him in person?
Obviously Willis has Peter Cullen’s Optimus Prime voice. It’s the only thing that makes sense.
You would think that! Nope! He-Man.
I have talked with Sir Willis a few times, and for the life of me, I cannot remember what his voice sounds like.
(speaking seriously, I do sometimes get my memories of David Willis’s voice mixed up with Aaron Diaz’s)
I’d be curious, but then whatever his voice actually is would break my idea of what it sounds like. Text is so much nicer than voice, I often find.
I can’t say whose voice I attribute to Joe, it might just be one I heard sometime somewhere or one I made up. Sometimes I swear I can almost picture the character I think I heard it from, but like, it fits Joe so perfectly that he now overpowers the old connection.
I have a friend that Joyce reminds me of, so naturally I imagine her voice. But other characters’ voices come from my head.
Most text voices sound kinda same-y in my head…
Same, but if I had to pick a known voice to describe my perception of Joe’s… Elvis Presley springs to mind.
I do now.. thanks.. o_o;
I was thinking more Brock Samson or The Tick
(Seriously I was thinking more of a John Dimaggio than Patrick Warburton)
Or Kronk!
“Oh, right the penis, the penis for Penny, the penis specially chosen to pleasure Penny, Penny’s penis.”
That’s the one.
I gave Joe the voice of Sterling Mallory Archer before I even knew who that was.
Yes. I think that’s who I hear too.
I can never think of whose voice I’m hearing in (just that they’re vaguely familiar), until someone says something like “Sal is voiced by Applejack,” and then it’s “Yes! Yes, they totally are!”
Ashleih Ball’s Applejack voice does fit Sal too dang well. Now I’m realizing that I don’t have a fixed voice for Wally in my head…
No. Joe is not worthy of Patrick Warburton.
But I can totally see Danny as Arthur.
Which Arthur? All I can think of is the aardvark, and I doubt that’s the one.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cheese & Burger Society felt the same way.
I hear Johnny Bravo’s voice.
Not until now. Now I can’t stop. I blame you for this.
brock samson
yeah umhuh…and what is that all about…first Ethan and now Joe?
Danny is coming down with a serious case of Matzo Fever.
I don’t think he’s attracted to Joe, at least in that way. But I dunno, maybe that’s something he and Joyce have in common!
I think he just wants someone to talk to about it, not that he is interested in Joe. It makes sense he would confide in Joe since he is Danny’s best friend and experienced in sex and attraction. I dont see this ending well but I think it’s good that Danny is talking to someone about it rather than stuffing and trying to pretend it’s not there.
I don’t think Leslie’s giving you any extra credit for slipping in anywhere, Joe.
You got any cute sisters?
His dad looks just like him. I like to think he has a sister that looks just like him too.
That would REALLY mess with Joyce.
Given dad’s promiscuity, that’s pretty likely. No birth control is 100% effective (except the permanent kind).
Even then, with guys there still might be a few rounds left in the barrel from a while after. I’ve offered my own solution before, but seems most people don’t like a plasma shot to the genitals…
Actually there are birth controls more effective than sterilization (i.e. the implant.)
“I was totally reinforcing her sexual female energy by having hot and heavy inappropriate sex in her office. And if you get mad at me for that it makes you ALL hypocrites!”
If Joe does talk about this, I’m sure Penny will be fired. Leslie is faculty and should know the channels to report this sort of thing. Also, I don’t think she likes Penny enough to turn a blind eye, and the dean has already expressed annoyance at this sort of thing. In short, Penny’s probably going to get a rude awakening.
Let’s hope so!
of all the people on the planet he could go talk to about this he chose this tool? o_o
To be fair, Danny barely knows anybody, as far as I recall.
Tools Recognize Tools, grandad.
To be fair, it’s his oldest friend.
And as such he should know Joe will be thoroughly unhelpful on this point.
I dunno, who else would he usually get sex advice from? Unsolicited, even?
Could make for some bedroom talk with Amber. That’s a normal thing for couples to do, right? Talk about what sort of stuff they’re into sexually?
He probably recognizes that this is something that might freak Amber out though, and it seems to be a theme that very few people in the comic recognize being bi as a thing, so the only way he could present it is thinking he might be gay.
At the very least, he doesn’t seem to be aware of bisexuality. He is worried he might be gay.
Still, right here he’s managed to broach the subject pretty effectively. He does seem to have put some thought into how he can describe his feelings without up and saying “I might be gay”.
Plus, with the way lesbianism is fetshized, a whole lot could be brushed off as him just being interested in his girlfriend’s potential past sexy experiences if the conversation starts going somewhere undesirable. Would be a whole lot easier to backtrack than it will be now that he’s asked his best manfriend.
Oh that would go over real well…”hi girl I’m dating, I think I’m attracted to boys as well, specifically the last boy you dated. Is that weird?”
Combining the concepts “Joe” and “sex advice” fills me with fear
Of all the people he could choose, he chose the only one with a positive sex life that’s free of most of the squicky aspects everyone else has, aside from his ex-girlfriend, ha ha. Joe was probably the best choice.
This is gonna be Joe’s acid(-reflux) test for me. If he manages to actually give Danny some sound advice, I’ll be a lot more willing to overlook some aspects of his casual lechery.
I’d think Sarah would be a better option but I think she’s to busy screwing up her own shit
I think Danny barely knows Sarah.
Sarah is willing to tolerate Danny. Which may very well be the closest kind of “friendship” she’ll ever allow with anyone, really.
Well, Joe is allegedly his best friend. He’s got a picture of them holding hands while riding a dragon and everything.
And his only other options are Ethan or Amber and Amazi-Girl, either of which would be even more awkward.
Hmm. Or Sal. That might actually be his best option.
*Sal pats Danny on the head*
“Ya want me to tell a story about the bees and the other bees, kiddo?”
“Um, actually most bees are female so that would be an ill fitting metap…”
“Sex is like Mario Cart, you don’t have to follow a manual. There, we had the talk and everything. Get out of my hair.”
“Luscious chocolate haiiiiiir.”
“Shut up, Joyce”
Ahh… It’s good to be back to the comments section.
My strategy for Mario Kart is to just hit anyone that gets in my way. I have a feeling that might not be the best strategy for sex.
For a given value of “hit”, and assuming you limit yourself to people who wants to play with you, there is something to be said for it
Or Dorothy. Dorothy might work to some extent.
I keep forgetting that Danny and Dorothy know each other. Dorothy would probably be a good person to talk to about things like that, but I can’t see Danny going to her as things stand between them.
I’ve been rooting for Dorothy to be the one he opens up to from day 1 because she really does seem like the best option but I don’t know if he’s ready to be friends with her yet. Even if she is overall a very level headed and non judgmental person it would probably still be awkward for him to discuss his sexual identity issues with his ex girlfriend. Also even if we know bisexuality’s a thing and Dorothy likely does too I think Danny would probably still be worried she’d write him off as gay and potentially bring into question their past sexual relationship. Plus he knows she and Amber are more or less okay with each other now and more or less friendly acquaintances. I don’t know if Dorothy would be comfortable knowing more about Amber’s boyfriend than Amber does considering she already feels she knows more about Amber than she has a right to.
If things go awry with Joe (and god knows they will) then Dorothy is the next logical choice. He can’t really talk to Ethan or Amber about it and he has no significant connection to other cast members. It’ll be super awkward trying to talk to his ex-girlfriend about his attraction to men, but awkward is Danny’s middle name.
Plus, it’d be nice for Danny and Dorothy to get along again. Danny could use more friends in the cast.
OOOOOOH SHIT, DANNY!!!!!!!!
I was hoping that of all the people Danny could have this conversation with he would end up choosing Joe.
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just don’t make any videos Joe, otherwise you might end up booted out of IU.
Right?? I was waiting and waiting for this conversation of awkwardness, I am so excited.
Yes, you get it!
Only 40 mins now…
I was going to play some (artiste formerly known as) Prince on the Muzak but I’m afraid I’d get sued.
I love stubble!Joe.
Also here’s hoping that he isn’t a dick to Danny for once.
Bwa ha ha ha!
But are you hoping that Joe will give the D to Danny?
Vitamin D…in suppository form.
Shouldn’t that be “Tenacious D”?
So that’s why Danny hangs out with Joe. Cuz Danny likes dicks!
Mindfuck! Oh wait.
It’s been hypothesized that men grow facial hair faster when they’re expecting sex.
Joe is almost never not expecting sex.
Therefore permastubble.
Oh this will be interesting. Is Dumbiverse Joe an insensitive lunkhead about this kind of thing? Or just a regular lunkhead?
Taking all bets! Taking all bets!
Joe is a lunkhead who hasn’t learned how not to be a lunkhead yet. Unlike Walvyverse Joe, who had some time to grow up a bit.
This is the man who’s already dismissed Walky’s idiotic views on masculinity and put Danny in his place about patronising women who want sex. I’d say there’s a fair chance he’ll do fine on this one.
The replies he’s made in the next comic feel incredibly icky to me, so I guess he chanced out.
What is Danny asking Joe? is he referring to bi- or homo-? Is he trying to move on Joe?
I don’t think he’s into Joe. I think he’s just asking if Joe’s ever been curious.
Well he is pretty close behind Joe, butt I doubt that he’s actually into him …
That would explain the surprise-eyebrow in panel 4, though.
*sigh* People do seem to enjoy sticking in things like puns around here, don’t they…
Puns upset you?
That was supposed to be a reply
For future reference: Any comment after and including Yotomoe’s “I learned it from you! I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!” cannot be properly replied to and such replies are instead added to the end of the list, after all the others (like this one). Non-replies are added before Yotomoe’s comment, which is why I’m “replying” to Swoop.
This whole rigmarole is because someone posted a Patreon spoiler and were subsequently banished from the realm.
Way to ruin the page Yotomoe!
In all fairness, he hasn’t been the one making double posts apologizing for non-replies or exclaiming the peculiarity thereof.
Also, I wonder if Joe’s going to need an intervention at some point?
@Brumagem, you are going to have to refer to the name of the person, else include a piece of the comment you are replying to in yours. This is currently a nonfunctional mess.
Ethan-Amber-Amazigirl-Danny*
He’s pretty much try to hint to a question if joe even gotten curious about other then just chicks or not without being to forward about it…
With that said, i gladly take over for joe honestly if he won’t talk about it, cuz in my opinion danny may not be the smartest but he’s pretty cute and honest kind a guy who i aleast would know din’t run around and have sub-plots all the time….
Danny doesn’t recognize that he’s bisexual. He’s confused about his feelings towards Ethan, and he’s trying to figure them out, so he’s asking his best friend if he’s ever felt anything for someone who wasn’t a girl.
I think he’s trying to reassure himself that the most heterosexual guy he knows has had sexual thoughts about other guys so he can feel confident in his heterosexuality even though he totally wants to make the sexo loco with Ethan.
I think he’s about to be disappointed.
Joe’s not really the first guy to go too for this question
I dunno, he’s kinda the floor’s resident sexpert.
Joe, I could kind of forgive you for constantly mocking Danny when he comes to you for help because he has been self-centered and repeating the same mistakes over the course of the comic, plus you were missing a lot of context in the Amber/Amazi-Girl situation, but I will be so pissed off if you blow him off now of all times. Treat this boy right for once.
I don’t think Joe would be prejudiced against bisexuals (though he may be ignorant like Danny is), but I think he’s very capable of being a dick right now and I really hope he chooses not to be.
Uncontrollable urge to point out unintentional double entendre … unsuccessfully resisted … sorry …
Argh! Ninja’ed! bows to superior reply skillz
Well, you did go into the subject much more deeply than I did
…
… I can’t help it …
If he blows him off now, of all times, we’ll learn a LOT more about Joe than we ever knew before!
…and perhaps just how capable a dick he is.
#sorrynotsorry
Jesus Christ, “blow off” is not a sexual act. I can’t believe the people above me can’t even handle a sentence having a word in common with a sex act.
We’re here to have fun, any potential lead in to a pun or innuendo will be taken.
And just how long have you been reading this forum?
The only thing I want to know about this strip is WHAT GAME IS DANNY PLAYING? THE PAUSE SCREEN TELLS ME NOTHING
Actually, that’s just very tiny Pong
It’s actually not a pause screen. Danny was playing Pong on Expert mode.
lol beatcha
This is something I’ve been waiting to happen for a long time. Danny’s eventually going to open up about his feelings to somebody, and his best friend seems like the best place to start.
Of course, how tomorrow’s strip goes will determine whether Joe is a good friend or further my desire to run him over with a combine harvester.
I think Joe thinks he moving on him? If so this could get very interesting.
Wow that makes this situation easier
I can think of a couple guys Dan would rather be “moving on”
Joe is taking of his hoodie all sexy-like
“gdi, Danny, I am not have a threesome with you and the Dorothy-clone nerd chick!”
You know, I bet that is exactly what’s going on in Joe’s head. He has been almost comically apathetic about things that doesn’t have to do with HIM getting laid. Like when Sarah confronted him about dating Joyce might not be the best of ideas, and all he got from it was the idea of a threesome.
So I don’t think he gives any fucks about who Danny fucks (as long as he fucks, of course because otherwise – what the fuck?), but he thinks Danny wants to rope him into it somehow, as sex instructor, as partner in a threesome or just a regular gay sex partner.
And since he thinks Danny is a wimp who was also his childhood friend he’s thinking “Seriously, I can do so much better than you Danny.”
In Joe’s own words, he’s a 10 and Danny’s a 7 – in other words, he’s clearly out of Danny’s league :p
I can’t imagine that Joe would care about Danny being gay or bi at all, as long as he wasn’t involved personally, or that he’d respond to this situation with any malice. Not that it’ll stop him from being a totally unhelpful jerk for the rest of this conversation.
It’s about time Joe gave him “the talk”
…and maybe even “the pork”.
Somebody’s gonna squeel!
Wow, ya’ll are really going hog wild on this subject …
Now I’m picturing Dina watching Deliverance.
But Joe’s Jewish! He can’t give Danny pork! It’s not kosher!
You know, I wonder if Danny scored any brownie points saying “genders” instead of “other gender”. He can be kind of frustratingly traditional in some regards, but he seems to know a little more than I would have thought. Good on you, Danny.
I don’t know how intentional it was but it got brownie points with me regardless.
Surely intentional by Willis. And I baked him a sheet of brownies for it.
the mental image I had was “futilely trying to remove any semblance of awkwardness by phrasing it as though from the POV of a space alien observing humans”
AS a Space Alien observing Humans, I’m more prone to just saying what I’m thinking. Problem is, it can cause problems when you cross some unknown line & make things awkward. Gotta admit, the reactions do get pretty funny at times…
A combine harvester…hehe, that struck me as funny. sorry tired.
Not-actually-horrible choice to ask for advice, maybe, we’ll see, don’t let me down Joe.
Really thought for a minute he was insinuating polyamory, not bisexuality. Darn.
Poor kid. Bi-curiosity really can be confusing.
Joe’s gonna handle this okay. He might even give Danny a special sock for the door to indicate man-happenings.
There are sock-codes now? Kids of today.
I know there’s scarf-colour-codes apparently. Have 1 in your back pocket, & it tells others what you’re into. Found a Youtube video about it. Not gonna link it tho, if you wanna see it, you gotta find it…
Yeah no, I don’t think so. I have heard about something like that on the Internet (well, at least a decade back), but that sounds way too much like something circulating among parents in email forwards or made up wholesale by some fundie preachers.
You know, like the surefire ways to tell your child is a drug addict or planning to shoot up the school or whatever else scandalizes a parent.
I’m not 100% sure about that. He hasn’t been established to be cool with that stuff, and I’m pretty sure he’s made a couple casual remarks expressing discomfort with non-straightness in the past.
Like when Danny woke up all groggy, saw Roz in his room, and said “Man, Joe’s way hotter than he used to be” Joe pops on screen with a big frown on his face saying “Don’t go down that road, dude.” That road seemingly referring dudeloving.
Plus, much as his heart’s in the right place a lot of the time, his past attempts at supporting Danny have been really misguided and ineffective, causing a lot more harm than good. Tried to hook Danny up with Sarah assuming that Danny wants what Joe Wants. Then when Danny comes in with a new girl he’s eying Joe makes a huge scene over how much she looks like Danny’s ex right in front of her. If he can’t effectively navigate these differences within the framework for the standard culturally normative desires, I suspect the problem will only be exacerbated once Danny exits that framework.
Maybe, but “don’t go down that road” could be more about getting hit on himself. You made me wonder about casual remarks, but I couldn’t find many. What kind of threesome is about himself again, and betting Walky is gay isn’t that much to go on.
We do know Joe is sort of accepting of female homosexuality, in the really immature way of objectifying it. So my guess is he might also be sort of accepting of male homosexuality in an immature way, you know, the kind where it’s ok for some non-macho people but better stay far away. But it’s only a guess.
Joe’s attempts to help have been pretty abysmal, but I think “that road” wasn’t dude-loving so much as best-friend-loving.
It’s possible. The wording was imprecise, leaving much open to interpretation.
Just saying, there’s nothing in particular indicating he’s on the level with this subject, and at least one remark that might be indicating he’s not. Joe might handle this okay, but then again he might not.
Also, regardless of his general attitudes, it’s also very possible that Joe is going to mistake Danny’s question here for a pass and take it badly.
And then there’s the time Amber grossed out Joe by asking if he was first in line for the next shot at Danny while he had a sock on the door. Not sure if he was grossed out by the thought of doing dudes, or the thought of doing Danny, though.
We can hope this conversation will go well for Danny, but honestly my expectations are not high here.
A simple “Nah, brah, I’m straight” would’ve sufficed.
And if Joe’s bi too, it’d be “come at me bro…”?
*looks at Patreon*. Way too expensive. No way I’m going to figure out how to deposit 500 nickles online like that.
I know more Aussie banks are getting coin counting machines in their customer areas, to help speed things up. Got the same thing where you are?
I know more Aussie banks are getting coin counting machines in their customer areas, to help speed things up. Got the same thing where you are?
(Hopefully this time it’ll stay as a reply to Crazy Dina, where it’s supposed to be…)
No such luck. Good morning from the US West Coast, though.
Hmm. My reply came out as an individual comment itself? Vexing.
@Screwball, Yeah, I think we have something like that at my grocery school. But I’d still have to get (And thus count so that I wouldn’t end up short) 100 nickles!
… And now I’m totally going to want to write at least one check like that in my life time. Amount: 100 Nickles ($5.00)
*looks at Patreon*. Way too expensive. No way I’m going to figure out how to deposit 100 nickles online like that.
There’s a slot in the side of my iPad. Maybe I put the nickels in there?
Good news: I can almost guarantee you’ll get a change …
Bad news : the dis-charges might cost you an arm ….
Being serious for a moment, there’d just be a short circuit, until something melted. Then I’d have to buy a tablet that I can’t fit a coin into.
Yeah, I know the so called ‘exploding batteries’ just sort of burst into flames … but well you know … puns and other word-play are even more irresistible to me than pedantry …
You’ve got the right idea Danny. You experience new and strange thoughts and feelings. Asking a friend who knows more about that sort of things is a good idea.
Too bad the friend in question is a bit of a douche.
In this situation, I don’t think it matters whether or not Joe’s a douche. He would never say something to intentionally hurt Danny.
Also, why do you think Joe is a douche? He seems like a pretty cool dude to me.
Intentionally hurt Danny? Probably not. Be too self-involved to give a damn whether he is or not? Yeah, there’s precedent for that.
Because of stuff like this. Joe does zero effort to understand Danny’s feelings* and spends equal time mocking him for being a sex-less wimp and giving him “help” that would only benefit Danny if he was like Joe, which Joe is well aware he isn’t.
Danny still operates on their childhood relationship as best friends (even if he seems to have got the message that those days are long past), while Joe seem to have decided to be too cool for friends. Now he has wingmen instead (that’s why Jacob is his new Main Man, not Danny).
Friends growing apart is nothing new and nobodies fault, but Joe is still unnecessarily rude to Danny.
*) Which is why it’s a bit thin to say that he wouldn’t hurt Danny intentionally – he puts zero effort into actually learn and understand what would and wouldn’t hurt Danny.
I forgot that happened. Joe can be a douche. But I don’t think he is so much of a douche that he would blow off Danny now. This is different. They may heve grown apart, but not so apart as to ignore somthing like this.
Also, Does Danny have any other friends? He seems lonely now that I think about it.
He’s not as maniacally social as Joyce, but given the short time frame of the comic he’s done a decent job getting new friends. Amber/Amazi-girl, Ethan and Sal (well, to some extent).
He would probably have more friends by now if he hadn’t a) had his trademark lousy luck being dumped by Dorothy and roped in with Blaine, which took a lot of energy, b) hadn’t started to date a vigilante and thus had to keep a low profile to not expose her secret identity and c) had spent less time being resentful at people like Roz and Joe for not conforming to his views and more time actively seeking out people who did (like he did with Ethan).
Bagge, Remember, Joe is also mad at Danny for basically constantly running off and ignoring him since they started college. They had a whole argument about it in front of Jacob.
Addendum: He’s mad that he and Danny aren’t doing “awesome stuff” together. In Joe speech, that’s going to parties and picking up chicks.
That is a very good point. I think a lot of their interaction can be summed up as “we used to have fun but now we have grown apart and have different ideas abut what fun is, and we are angry with each other for not having my kind of fun any longer”
In that light, Joe didn’t try to be insensitive with Danny when Dorothy broke up with him, he tried to congratulate him on being free for doing the sexy college things. Then he got grumpy when Danny didn’t follow the script.
Not for nuthin, but Ethan does bear a certain physical similarity to Joe. I’m sure that won’t make this situation more awkward though
“It’s just, there’s this tall chunk of well-chinned Jewish guy that I can’t stop thinking about…”
No offense but Joe does not seem like the guy to talk to about this.
Probably the next slipshine?
Weird continuity having Joe with the messed-up hair when it was not messy on his last strip.
…Oh you mean he went to “other places” first? Alright.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear!
Ssssssshhhhh
No tears.
Only dicks now.
Dicks everywhere, forever.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7emz458dkh8/maxresdefault.jpg
GO CLIMB A WALL OF DICKS!
Why thank you, I will!
That wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it would be, thank Christ.
Sheesh. Danny’s talking about gayness just about as much as Becky now.
Sarcasm?
No, Becky actually understands what her sexuality is. Although she doesn’t get that bisexuality is a thing either, so…
Danny: “So, Joe, anyway, have you ever wanted to drive on the Hersey Highway, y’know, play the skin flute, go to a Gay bar, walk on the wild side, polish the knob, cruise the public bathrooms, wear makeup, check out a bath house, listen to show tunes, Judy Garland and Bette Milder, y’know, stuff like that?”
Joe: “Huh, sorry buddy, I wasn’t listening, I was thinking about that last chicks tight little cooter.”
Danny: “Never mind.”
“Y’ever spend the night in a Turkish prison?”
“Y’ever watch movies about gladiators?”
“Y’ever seen a grown man naked?”
Feeling really protective of Danny now and don’t want him to get hurt. I just want him to be okay. These used to not be feelings I had about Danny, now I do. Go figure.
Oh, yes. Joe. Just the person you want to consult on that issue ^^
Still, not the worse way to find out your roomy digs men.
Ohhhh, Danny. I hope you’ll learn in time who to talk to about stuff like this, because Joe definitely isn’t it.
We’ll see tomorrow, walkyverse/shortpacked Joe grew up at some point, grew a beard… Wait… Stubble here…. Hmm… But grew a beard and became a much better person, so there is hope.
It also took him years.
I’m going to treat that hovertext as canon, thank you.
Okay, Joe. I’ve never liked you in this universe. But I don’t want to hate you. Now is the time to put me in my place and show me you can be something other the a giant douchebag to someone coming out to you! Show me the error of my ways, big guy! Come on! You can do it!
You know what, to be honest, I think Joe is gonna be pretty chill about this. He and Danny are super close, and I think the only awkward thing is that Danny is asking him if he fucks dudes, and Joe is like “um why do you care who I’m fucking.” I don’t see Joe as homophobic in any sense of the term.
I mean I could be wrong.
I think that Joe will either say “Yes I tried it and discovered I’m not into dudes” or “No I’ve never considered it” or maybe even “Yes, I’ve thought about it” or “Yes I’ve done the do with dudes.” I can even see him saying “It’s not gay if it’s a three-way!” and trying to get a high five from Danny. But I don’t think he will look down on Danny for the question, or for Danny being bi.
“So, like, when Bugs Bunny dressed as a girl bunny, did you ever, like, find him attractive?”
“What? No! Hahahaha–No.”
“Yeah, me either.”
Excellent Wayne’s World reference!!
I’m going to be disappointed if that’s not the next strip.
They might be too young to have watched Bugs.
Is it me, or does it look like Joe might be spinning out of control a little?
Yeah, it’s not a good look for him. He sucks when he is out of balance or control of the limited things he can control. That’s when he needs a friend to help him make the jump to the next level, like Joyce and Robin have in the past
Probably. It’s easy to forget that despite the airs he puts on, it’s new for him to be able to cut loose like this. Lived with one of his parents until recently. Had all the difficulties that come with that. High school faculty was probably a lot less eager to sex up students in the office too for obvious reasons.
That’s a good thing to keep in mind. Joe is trying very, very hard to live up to a pretty limiting ideal. To be fair, he is doing a good job of it but his ideal of bro-who-is-getting-it-like-all-the-time is very hard to actually live rather than just aspire too.
Whatever happens in canon, my Danny/Joe fanfic starts here and it’s sickeningly sweet.
I though lemons were sour though
I see what you did there.
*-* oh that reminds me how much i wanna see other genders in doa.
like
god an agender character would make me feel so good in my heart.
But i digress, i hope this talk winds up being a good bonding/realization moment and not a hilarious disaster of miscommunication. though i feel the “WILLIS!”-es coming.
Danny’s raging boner, rubbing up behind him.
sigh, well its clear to see exactly how helpful Joe will be. Danny, please talk about your sexuality issues with someone who isn’t a raging jackass???
Danny is SO CUTE when he’s blushing and confused!
Is Danny ever not blushing?
-plays porn music-
Danny that timing brah
What time are comics posted in? I know it says 12.01 but where is that
If I remember right, it’s in East Coast USA time. That link’s what I worked out when I asked. Should be able to work out what that translates into from there…
OK, is anyone else finding it hard to actually REPLY to someone’s post, instead having it added to the bottom of the page?
I had to delete a post this morning and didn’t have time to do a proper clean-up. that’s why the threading is wonky.
(talking about tomorrow’s patreon strip on here puts you on my fucking shit list)
(seriously, we went half a year without that ever happening and then today it got all fucking ruined, so thanks, you know who you are)
(I AM ON VACATION I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THIS)
Ah, fair enough. There’s always the 1 idiot who spoils it for everyone -_-. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen again. Enjoy the holiday Mr Willis…
If you weren’t on vacation, you still shouldn’t have to do that.
Because people shouldn’t be assholes.
(It’s a theory of mine, anyways. I hope it takes hold)
Unfortunately, I made the mistake of reading the comments too soon, and read the spoiler. Regardless, I appreciate your care to keep that off of here, as best you can. You definitely should not have to, ever. I love this comic, wholeheartedly, and I am glad you respect your fans enough to keep people off the site who would kill the surprise for us, not to mention taking advantage of their privileged access.
Just be glad no one has gone through the trouble of hacking DOA to do the biggest leak ever. I mean seriously, how many strips does Willis already have uploaded? I’ve heard it to be four months, but I think it’s larger now.
I would just turn off the internet, or not read comments. Which is the best option, regardless. Maybe request the binary version of the comic. Ones and zeroes only, please. Do not worry, I can read The Matrix, so this will be cake.
Fuck letting other people spoil my fun.
Yes. Fuck other people screwing with our fun! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah no. Still not doing that.
I like everyone hailing Dina.
Good. Cause you’re all going to be hailing for a LONG time. A good LONG time. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!
If you read Willis’s twitter feed (which is conveniently located right next to the comments), you will find that someone broke the “no Patreon spoilers” rule and a) had their comment deleted (unthreading all the replies and wreaking havoc with future replies) and b) were put in Willis’s spam folder for all eternity.
Hi
Just throwing it here. Join irc! nightstar.net #dumbingofage
has it been confirmed that Danny is actually bisexual (instead of gay) or are we just basing this theory on the fact that he’s had a fairly long and somewhat successful hetero relationship and that he enjoys sex with females?
Willis has stated that Danny is bi.
Is there something to base it off besides his sexual relationship with women? Dude’s bi. Don’t see why that’s so hard to grasp.
Google “bi-erasure”.
Are… are you asking if Danny has tried not being Bi?
Danny in that last panel is the most aesthetically he has ever been, in my humble opinion.
Nope nope nope Joe is NOT the guy to ask about this, Danny.
Going to Joe for insight: Mistake
DANNY, why? You couldn’t wait 10 seconds?
Danny panned it up.
Yes! So glad this conversation is happening.
Waiting for Joe to high-five Dan when he realize he’s increased his do-list options an extra 100%.
…Cause that’s what I’m jealous of bisexual people for the most, TBH.
There’s actually a small net loss. Gay and bi people are rare, so it’s less of a gain than 100%. More like 5-10%. You also lose all the homophobic and biphobic straight people (there are actually women grossed out that a guy they want kissed/fucked another guy lol), and all the biphobic gay people.
*no reply to anyone, just it’s own post*
I’m pretty dense so someone spoon feed me. Did Danny just asked Joe “have you ever want to do a guy?” ???
Yes, I too sometimes wonder about the people on LOST who kidnapped Walt.
So, is this the part where Joe finally reveals that he’s been pretending to be straight all these years?
Am I the only one who thinks that As the comic has progressed over the years, Joe has just looked like he’s been further and further from the last time he took a shower?
Seeing as this strip is > 1 day old, I think it is safe to assume comments are one big conversation now instead of a giant inter-netting of different convos.
Just end the conversation, Danny. You’re too good for him anyway.