Dorothy and Joyce are best friends. cuz sarah is a sour puss and walky treats her like crud. But she’s had nothing but positive experiences with Dotty (cept that whole athiest thing)
You know, I started shipping Jorothy as a sortof crack pairing, but the more time passes, the more the strip seems to be flirting with the idea itself.
Worse when it’s somebody you were hoping to invite to smooch-town. Double-worse when that person is smooching in a manner that indicates sexual preferences different from yours – like a girl smooching the girl you want to smooch, in my case.
I feel very fortunate that most of my dating or married friends are conscientious enough not to make it awkward when I happen to be hanging out with the two of them.
Sure, he’d be a douche if this was anyone but Joyce. I don’t care if she has good intentions, for most of the strips she’s shown up in in Dumbing of Age she’s been a really shitty person. It’s more weird how tolerantly everyone else treats her insanity.
I don’t know about that. I think she just wants some company. And I do think Walky is being an ass, but I doubt he would be if he knew what Joyce had been through.
I don’t see why Joyce is all demanding stuff of Walky in the first place. So far, the sum total of their interactions has been going to class together and Walky interrupting her post-blackout trauma to ask for pajama-jeans assistance.
Shouldn’t she be going to hunt down Ethan instead so she can explore where this subconscious drive to become a shiksa is coming from? (NTTAWWT.)
Oh man, you’ve reminded me–does this 4-day jump mean that SOON (in two days, so like, several months from now) we get to see Joyce and Ethan go to church together? That should be awesome.
I would probably make a comment like Walky just did. Much less douchey that “…I’ll let YOU pretend you’re HER.”
I’d then smack myself (in the FAAAAAAAACE) and apologize, making some poorly- and quickly-phrase statement that ends up both getting me out of some of the trouble my joke landed me in, and possibly putting me in trouble (assuming she assumes I’m making a “Girl On Girl Is Hot” comment, which while it IS true, would NOT be what I meant.)
Walky’s laying it on thick, but he’s right. It’s Dorothy’s choice who she hangs out with when she can. There’s no “I have a right to hang out with her too” thing going on here. If Dorothy wanted to hang out with Joyce, she would. And I still believe that Joyce is going to try to drive a wedge between Dorothy and Walky if she ever gets Dorothy alone. Based solely on this comic: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/03-the-first-step-towards-recovery/suspend/
Joyce needs to realize that the earth does not revolve around her, and yes she does come off as “bible study only”. Walky even gave her an out “Feel free to show it sometime”, and instead of taking the chance to demonstrate there is more to her than her faith and that she does want to actually spend time with Walky, she starting playing the blame game,”You get to hog all of it [Dorothy's Time]!” Way to negotiate Joyce!
So yes, since Joyce wont come up with an alternative idea to “bible study”, and she clearly doesn’t actually want to spend time with Walky (see how fast she backed away back to Dorothy time?], and is clearly jealous of the time Walky spends with Dorothy. Further add onto that, the fact that she is NOT talking this over with Dorothy….
… and anyone would come to the conclusion that all you really want is to crash the smooch time. Walky just worded it in a pro smooch, intended to gross out Joyce way so she may realize she is being crazy.
Am I reading this wrong? All the commenters seem to be suggesting that Joyce wants to hang with Dorothy, but it looks like she wants to hang with Walky to me.
I don’t think your wrong, I think Joyce dosen’t want to spend to much time by herself especailly after last weekend. Walky is free and she wants to hang.
Walky “has a new toy” and dosen’t want to share yet. So out comes Jerky Mc Jerkface. It happens.
She starts out wanting to hang with Walky, then when he rejects her (for fair, if not kindly worded, reasons) she falls back to attacking him for stealing her “buddy” Dorothy.
Joyce is terribly co-dependent. If you show her kindness (Dorothy) you’re her best friend. If no friend is available, she tries to glomph onto the closest person who’ll have her.
I feel bad for Joyce in this panel, but Walky was fair given how she’s behaved to date. She needs help with *issues* not another set of “kind words” to idolize.
Of course, it’s a comic so she’s going to ping pong around a while before she starts evolving.
Freshman year is a lonely time. You know no one. As a consequence, friendships happen quickly and intensely-as we’ve seen. They have to, because people need them. You need a community.
Joyce has just been deprived of her community. Walky and Dorothy got together and Walky is making it plain Joyce isn’t welcome. This is quite the kick in the teeth. Joyce’s series of awkward reactions to the W/D pairing is because she feel threatened. Rightly so, judging from the past two strips. There’s other members of the community (everyone who was at the beach), but Walky and Dorothy are the ones she talk to most easily (go back and judge time spent over the course of the strip).
I saw this happen repeatedly in college. Two girls and a guy would be friends; one of the girls and the guy would pair off and the other girl would be left in the cold. It was painful to watch then; it’s painful to watch now.
I don’t understand most of the comments here. Sigh.
Joyce could not really make it more obvious how lonely she is and how much she doesn’t want to be alone tonight. She was just staring, preoccupied, at the bandage on her hand from where she cut it open crashing a glass into the face of an attempted rapist.
What I think most of Walky’s defenders on this page are forgetting is that that was the last time Joyce tried to make a new friend.
As a result, she’s turtling pretty hard, turning to the people she knows at least a little, and NONE of them want to be her friends. She approached Walky in the last strip to ask what Dorothy is doing, because Dorothy is so busy that she hasn’t been able to get Dorothy alone for five minutes to ask HER. Walky says he doesn’t know what she’s up to because of her schedule, so Joyce tries to keep the conversation afloat and eventually suggests that, if Dorothy is busy, maybe she and Walky can hang out.
Joyce doesn’t even like Walky. She just feels a modicum of safety around him and wants to feel less alone right now.
I guess I don’t think that’s so terrible.
I found Walky’s last panel at her really mean, but otherwise don’t blame him for not wanting to hang out with her. He doesn’t know what happened. He just sees her as a slightly annoying girl he talks to sometimes who doesn’t approve of him dating his girlfriend.
I guess I am just capable of understanding where both characters are coming from and empathizing with the one who’s been through an awful, awful mostly secret trauma more than the guy who got humiliated in his womens’ studies class and then got the girl anyway.
You’re forgetting that Joyce is really good at alienating people with her “YOU’RE ALL GOING TO HELL” nonsense, and constantly putting down other people for having different views than she does. I sure wouldn’t want to hang around her.
Sounds like you do, in fact, know where people are coming from here. Combine that with Joyce being perceived as the instigator of the grudge between the two, people’s comments are understandable.
“I guess I am just capable of understanding where both characters are coming from”
If you want to convince people of your position, you’re going to need to be a bit more diplomatic.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Walky pretty much DOES know what happened, unless I’m misremembering when he walked in on the middle of a discussion in a pajama-jean induced haze.
However, this is this and that is that. Joyce having had a very bad experience at a party does not entitle her to bust in on other people’s kissy-times. Especially since the audience here was given a glimpse into her head showing that she would be doing it with malice aforethought.
I don’t see why folks are calling Walky a douche. I mean… I’m also still waiting for Joyce to reveal that there is, in fact, something more to her than her religion, because it seems to be her sole interest or ‘hobby’ (I hesitate to apply the term, but you know what I mean) of any kind.
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“Jokes on you! I already do that!”
I like this plan.
She’s jealous of Walky cos he gets all of Dotty’s time? When did they get to such good friends?
Something must have happened during those missing 4 days.
Dorothy and Joyce are best friends. cuz sarah is a sour puss and walky treats her like crud. But she’s had nothing but positive experiences with Dotty (cept that whole athiest thing)
Joyce and Billie are best college friends as well.
You know, I started shipping Jorothy as a sortof crack pairing, but the more time passes, the more the strip seems to be flirting with the idea itself.
Dotty is way too straight for that,
This is Willis we’re talking about here. Not to mention, this is also college. Bi-curious experimentation is the norm.
I was straight for over 20 years before I even considered the possibility of being anything else.
No one’s perfect.
Hi, I’m no one and I’m perfect.
~\o Your no-body called today… She hung up when I asked her name… o/~
Wow, been a LONG time since I’ve heard that song! Thanks
for the memories!
Why does Odysseus have so many fans?
People-watching in Smooch Town is always an awkward experience.
Worse when it’s somebody you were hoping to invite to smooch-town. Double-worse when that person is smooching in a manner that indicates sexual preferences different from yours – like a girl smooching the girl you want to smooch, in my case.
And next panel Joe pops up to help Walky turn the situation into a threesome with Dorothy and Joyce
Then Walky turns it into a foursome with mcnuggets.
More like a fifty-threesome, amirite
Don’t forget the BBQ sauce.
I feel very fortunate that most of my dating or married friends are conscientious enough not to make it awkward when I happen to be hanging out with the two of them.
It’s nice of them to let you choose which of them you pretend to be while the smooch. It is awkward to get pushed into that sort of thing.
It’s nice of them to let you choose which of them you pretend to be while they smooch. It is awkward to get pushed into that sort of thing.
Oh, snap!
Wow, Walky’s kind of a douche there.
Thank god I wasn’t the only one thinking it
Yeah, that was just downright nasty of him.
In panel 5 Walky briefly becomes Joe. Strangely Walky is much better at being Joe than Joe is.
To be fair, Joyce’s reaction to him and Dotty going out wasn’t exactly endearing.
Sure, he’d be a douche if this was anyone but Joyce. I don’t care if she has good intentions, for most of the strips she’s shown up in in Dumbing of Age she’s been a really shitty person. It’s more weird how tolerantly everyone else treats her insanity.
My thoughts also, Khantalas, Walky needs a good kick for that remark.
Joyce is not a happy chappie in the last panel.
I can’t imagine why. I mean, who could turn down an overt invitation to be the third wheel like that?
it’s like the best wheel!!! Hasn’t anyone ever seen a tri-cycle?
Yeah it is hard to imagine…
Invitation to be a third wheel / implication that she’s gay for his girlfriend.
Wow, Walky. You, sir, are an ASS.
I knew it. Joyce does have the hots for Walky.
well he is sculpted in caramel
Walky needs a good smacking. Like the full Moe Howard repertoire delivered upside his head.
everyone thinks Walky’s a douche but I dunno. I think he’s just teasing her cuz she’s a girl and he has a brother-sister rivalry with her.
why is the world conspiring against the Joyce-Walky relationship?? GOD WHY????
God: YOU KNOW WHY.
It must be she’s not a cat person
Because it would result in the continued lack of Enterprise?
What does God need with a ship?
+1
…to be fair, Joyce is kinda coming off as a total closet case.
I don’t know about that. I think she just wants some company. And I do think Walky is being an ass, but I doubt he would be if he knew what Joyce had been through.
I can tell you one thing…it wasn’t spiders…
it could have been spiders…
I don’t see why Joyce is all demanding stuff of Walky in the first place. So far, the sum total of their interactions has been going to class together and Walky interrupting her post-blackout trauma to ask for pajama-jeans assistance.
Shouldn’t she be going to hunt down Ethan instead so she can explore where this subconscious drive to become a shiksa is coming from? (NTTAWWT.)
Oh man, you’ve reminded me–does this 4-day jump mean that SOON (in two days, so like, several months from now) we get to see Joyce and Ethan go to church together? That should be awesome.
I would probably make a comment like Walky just did. Much less douchey that “…I’ll let YOU pretend you’re HER.”
I’d then smack myself (in the FAAAAAAAACE) and apologize, making some poorly- and quickly-phrase statement that ends up both getting me out of some of the trouble my joke landed me in, and possibly putting me in trouble (assuming she assumes I’m making a “Girl On Girl Is Hot” comment, which while it IS true, would NOT be what I meant.)
Yes, with my luck, things would go precisely that anime-clichedly.
My luck: It’s Wacky!
And then comes its sequel: Joyce and Wacky!
Walky’s laying it on thick, but he’s right. It’s Dorothy’s choice who she hangs out with when she can. There’s no “I have a right to hang out with her too” thing going on here. If Dorothy wanted to hang out with Joyce, she would. And I still believe that Joyce is going to try to drive a wedge between Dorothy and Walky if she ever gets Dorothy alone. Based solely on this comic: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/03-the-first-step-towards-recovery/suspend/
I’m with Walky in all he just said.
Joyce needs to realize that the earth does not revolve around her, and yes she does come off as “bible study only”. Walky even gave her an out “Feel free to show it sometime”, and instead of taking the chance to demonstrate there is more to her than her faith and that she does want to actually spend time with Walky, she starting playing the blame game,”You get to hog all of it [Dorothy's Time]!” Way to negotiate Joyce!
So yes, since Joyce wont come up with an alternative idea to “bible study”, and she clearly doesn’t actually want to spend time with Walky (see how fast she backed away back to Dorothy time?], and is clearly jealous of the time Walky spends with Dorothy. Further add onto that, the fact that she is NOT talking this over with Dorothy….
… and anyone would come to the conclusion that all you really want is to crash the smooch time. Walky just worded it in a pro smooch, intended to gross out Joyce way so she may realize she is being crazy.
Go Walky standing up for yourself!
I’m hoping she remembers and takes the advice, but she probably won’t. Not from him, at least — she’s not exactly his biggest fan.
I’m looking forward to the character revealing/development that’ll happen when she gets a chance to “show it sometime”. 8~)
Thank you for saying that and putting it into better words than I could hope to – an awful lot of people seem to think Walky’s just being a douche…
Walky=doesn’t afraid of anything
That’s my favorite town!
Smooch Town is nice, but one of the best things about it is the fairly short commute to Sexytimeopolis.
I’d say that Walky’s being an asshole, but to be fair, I’d probably do the same thing in his position.
True enough, but the only time I spend time as an asshole is when I’m stuck sitting on the bog.
Walky handled this one well, in my opinion. He has no obligation to Joyce whatsoever.
Am I reading this wrong? All the commenters seem to be suggesting that Joyce wants to hang with Dorothy, but it looks like she wants to hang with Walky to me.
Not sure why he’s being so mean though. o_O
I don’t think your wrong, I think Joyce dosen’t want to spend to much time by herself especailly after last weekend. Walky is free and she wants to hang.
Walky “has a new toy” and dosen’t want to share yet. So out comes Jerky Mc Jerkface. It happens.
“Dorothy gets like five minutes of free time a day and you get to hog all of it!”
Sounds like it’s Dorothy at issue to me.
She starts out wanting to hang with Walky, then when he rejects her (for fair, if not kindly worded, reasons) she falls back to attacking him for stealing her “buddy” Dorothy.
Joyce is terribly co-dependent. If you show her kindness (Dorothy) you’re her best friend. If no friend is available, she tries to glomph onto the closest person who’ll have her.
I feel bad for Joyce in this panel, but Walky was fair given how she’s behaved to date. She needs help with *issues* not another set of “kind words” to idolize.
Of course, it’s a comic so she’s going to ping pong around a while before she starts evolving.
Freshman year is a lonely time. You know no one. As a consequence, friendships happen quickly and intensely-as we’ve seen. They have to, because people need them. You need a community.
Joyce has just been deprived of her community. Walky and Dorothy got together and Walky is making it plain Joyce isn’t welcome. This is quite the kick in the teeth. Joyce’s series of awkward reactions to the W/D pairing is because she feel threatened. Rightly so, judging from the past two strips. There’s other members of the community (everyone who was at the beach), but Walky and Dorothy are the ones she talk to most easily (go back and judge time spent over the course of the strip).
I saw this happen repeatedly in college. Two girls and a guy would be friends; one of the girls and the guy would pair off and the other girl would be left in the cold. It was painful to watch then; it’s painful to watch now.
At first I thought the first panel was in the Dreamatorium.
I don’t understand most of the comments here. Sigh.
Joyce could not really make it more obvious how lonely she is and how much she doesn’t want to be alone tonight. She was just staring, preoccupied, at the bandage on her hand from where she cut it open crashing a glass into the face of an attempted rapist.
What I think most of Walky’s defenders on this page are forgetting is that that was the last time Joyce tried to make a new friend.
As a result, she’s turtling pretty hard, turning to the people she knows at least a little, and NONE of them want to be her friends. She approached Walky in the last strip to ask what Dorothy is doing, because Dorothy is so busy that she hasn’t been able to get Dorothy alone for five minutes to ask HER. Walky says he doesn’t know what she’s up to because of her schedule, so Joyce tries to keep the conversation afloat and eventually suggests that, if Dorothy is busy, maybe she and Walky can hang out.
Joyce doesn’t even like Walky. She just feels a modicum of safety around him and wants to feel less alone right now.
I guess I don’t think that’s so terrible.
I found Walky’s last panel at her really mean, but otherwise don’t blame him for not wanting to hang out with her. He doesn’t know what happened. He just sees her as a slightly annoying girl he talks to sometimes who doesn’t approve of him dating his girlfriend.
I guess I am just capable of understanding where both characters are coming from and empathizing with the one who’s been through an awful, awful mostly secret trauma more than the guy who got humiliated in his womens’ studies class and then got the girl anyway.
You’re forgetting that Joyce is really good at alienating people with her “YOU’RE ALL GOING TO HELL” nonsense, and constantly putting down other people for having different views than she does. I sure wouldn’t want to hang around her.
“He doesn’t know what happened.”
Sounds like you do, in fact, know where people are coming from here. Combine that with Joyce being perceived as the instigator of the grudge between the two, people’s comments are understandable.
“I guess I am just capable of understanding where both characters are coming from”
If you want to convince people of your position, you’re going to need to be a bit more diplomatic.
“He doesn’t know what happened”
Am I thinking of the right “happening?” ‘Cause I thought he was informed about it right here:
Source: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-2/01-pajama-jeans/nightmare/
Or are you referring to something else?
Good point – Walky was indeed filled in. I had forgotten.
Panel 3 – Where’d the band-aid go…?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Walky pretty much DOES know what happened, unless I’m misremembering when he walked in on the middle of a discussion in a pajama-jean induced haze.
However, this is this and that is that. Joyce having had a very bad experience at a party does not entitle her to bust in on other people’s kissy-times. Especially since the audience here was given a glimpse into her head showing that she would be doing it with malice aforethought.
Wait, where was that malice aforethought shown? I missed something.
!Owwwwwww!
Poor Joyce- she just gets dumped on by her classmates
Phrasing!
That was mean, Walky.
It appears having Mike as his roommate is rubbing off on Walky!
OOOOOH WALKYBURN!!!
Awwww! Joyce is so cute when she’s blushing <3!!!
Meg Griffin: “Can I think about you in the tub tonight??”
Connie D’Amico: “No!” (walks away)
Meg: (muttering to herself) “I’m still GONNA!”
so, im pretty sure Hobbes has been reincarnated as a boy named walky.
SMOOCH
I don’t see why folks are calling Walky a douche. I mean… I’m also still waiting for Joyce to reveal that there is, in fact, something more to her than her religion, because it seems to be her sole interest or ‘hobby’ (I hesitate to apply the term, but you know what I mean) of any kind.