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️𝓝𝓪𝓷𝓲 
EEW HUGS
still gonna ship them
dats incest :U
Your point being….
it’s the game the whole family can enjoy!
Slightly dated, but “Incest is best – roll your own.” was always a catchy motto. :-P.
It’s not just incest, it’s TWINcest!
You ought to get pun-ishment for that one.
more like WINcest, amiright.
Hate to break it to you, Mc, but Jen didn’t come up with that one.
(It’s been the rallying cry of the Supernatural fandom for years)
FWIW, I first heard it in relation [HURR] to this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/BetterDays?from=Main.BetterDays
[WATNING: TV Tropes]
…wtf is watning, shitty iPad keyboard |=<
It has been used on 4chan since there was a 4chan. Guessing it was used on places like usenet before that…
What the fuck man, what makes it worse is that their twins it be like doing it with someone of the opposite sex that looks exactly like you.
Oh God, how horrifying
I can’t stop laughing. But ew. But hehe.
Yeah, I bet you think all mouse people look alike, you racist.
Mousist?
Well, the incest tabo is a perfectly reasonable one for several reasons including potential abuse of power and genetic problems, but that said, what’s the big problem of doing it with someone who looks exactly like you? Unless, of course, you look terrible to begin with.
I don’t think people care about genetic problems in this climate-change-denier age so much as the fact that incest generally happens most when underage children are involved.
Hopefully I don’t have to explain why any kind of paedophilia is wrong |=(
Though with college age twins, that’s certainly not the issue.
I’m reminded of H. P. Lovecraft’s relatives, a brother/sister pair who apparently lived together and passed themselves off as married after moving away.
My opinion on that matter was always: If they want to do it, let them do it. As long as they’re not siring children, nobody’s come to harm.
I always felt Incest was one of those lifestyle choices you get a free pass to be intolerant about.
As long as it stays in the family.
Also the genetic issues are fairly rare, and these days you could test for them ahead of time.
First generation doesn’t have problems anyway. Chucky III didn’t get to be the way he was until he had a horizontal family tree for several generations. That’s why Charles III is the famously inbred Hapsburg and not his parents. Egyptian Dynasties would have been a lot shorter if marrying family immediately resulted in monster babies.
@Rutee: The royals of most lineages wised up after a few “wrong” generations. They started marrying second cousins or further out more frequently which, as I previously stated, added about as much to their genetic diversity as marrying a random person. Generally, most “mad kings” in history can be traced back to 3+ generations of cousin-cousin or uncle-niece pairings leading to their birth.
The effects of incest are exponential. If your mating cousins are twice as likely to cause genetic problems, then the children of two such pairings are four times as likely. Their children are, in turn, 16x as likely to cause problems, despite still being a cousin pairing. Third generation “lovin’ cousins” are still only half as likely as to cause problems as sibling mates. Two generations of sibling mates has the ridiculous potential cause problems of 32^2, or 1,024x the pairing of random strangers. These are rough models, but surprisingly accurate based on lab animal studies that have been done concerning the passage of genes that have been indicated to predispose an individual a particular type of cancer.
This is mostly a reply to Dran and Rutee, but the thread has gotten to long to comment to them directly.
@Dranorter. that is not, strictly speaking, true. First gen incest between individuals of close genetic make up (fraternal twins = regular siblings, so far as genetics are concerned) has a nasty habit of bringing recessive traits to surface. No, they might not all have clotting disorders and severe and crippling scoliosis, but anything that has a habit of running in a family is about 32x more likely to crop up when a pair of siblings have a child vs. unrelated individuals. One way to think of this is if you have a couple of uncles and aunts with asthma and a couple more with eczema, you can bet some pretty good money that the child of you and your sibling with have one, the other, or both.
@Rutee: Royalty often paired with first cousins, aunt/uncles, ect. Rarely (as in, none come to mind) did they breed with their siblings. This may seem seem like a “so what?” difference, but when you explore genetics, it isn’t. Your siblings genetics are roughly 50% identical to yours. Your fathers are roughly 25% like yours. This means your uncles genetics are roughly 12.5% of yours (50% * 25% = 12.5%, this is actually true of your grandparents, fyi). Your cousin shares roughly 1/16th, or 6.25%, of your genetics. Any further out then that, and you may as well be mating with a stranger off the street.
If a few generations of Cousin on Cousin and Uncle on Niece parings screwed up certain royals as much as it did, imagine what a pair of siblings can do.
Clearly not as much as our taboos dictate, given that we have dynasties that did it over multiple generations.
Merde. I left a ‘generally’ out of my first post on the matter. My bad on that.
You know what makes this conversation even more disturbing? Look up the Westermarck effect. Siblings separated at birth, meeting each other and not knowing that they are siblings, tend to find each other highly sexually attractive. Disgusting, and yet… it explains Luke and Leia kissing! George Lucas got it right!
Uh, no. I have no idea where you are getting the second half of your comment. All the Westermarck effect tells us is that you don’t find your own sister/brother sexy because you grew up with them and have some biologic/mental resistance to thinking of them as a potential mate (through Darwinism, pheromones, or some other less explained reasons).
Two siblings who never met are no more likely to find the other sexually attractive than any other two individuals. Unless you believe the VERY messy – and heavily refuted – logic of Freud, I really can’t figure out where you are getting that idea. Freudian theory is the basis of modern psychology in much the same way alchemy is the basis for chemistry.
For a narcissist it would be the Ultimate! After all, if you are perfect, there is no one better to have sex with!
Also regarding incest, that reminds me of a punchline, “If she ain’t good enough for her own kin, she ain’t good enough for you.”
If you were perfect why would you need to have sex?
If you were perfect, why would you want to stop having sex?
If I had a clone, I wouldn’t go outside very much.
I’d be busy.
Oh, give me a clone
Of my own flesh and bone
With the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when she is grown,
My very own clone,
We’ll be of the opposite sex.
Clone, clone of my own,
With the Y chromosome changed to X.
And when we’re alone,
Since her mind is my own,
She’ll be thinking of nothing but
I think I’m a clone now,
There’s always two of me
Just a’hanging around
I think I’m a clone now
(A clone now)
‘Cuz every chromosome
Is a hand-me-down
On a warm summer day the doctor went away
to a place where he could make it real
his assistant’s hips were nice
so he cloned her once or twice
now his hips are aching what a deal
Ich lass mich klonen
Ich lass mich
klonen
ich lass mich klo-nen
ich lass mich klonen
Because you’d be sending your clone to your work/school?
What about someone of the opposite sex who *is* you, and your child, and both of your parents, and all of you(r) zombies?
Ah, someone who knows his classic Science Fiction.
Incest is wrong, relatively speaking.
Tighten it up to “Incest is Relatively Wrong,” and you’ve got your slogan.
I believe you just came up with Arkansas’ new motto.
Oh no no no. We’re not giving up our current slogan so easily: “Incest is best, put your sister to the test!” is just too catchy to drop.
Arkansas.
As long as they act responsibly, I support them however they choose to express their love.
Plus, did you read Timemonkey’s comments the other day? How could you pass that up?
I don’t recall.
Walky’s third leg approves… Or is that just mine
HUGS ARE DA BEST
yes. Kisses would be far more appropriate. Kisses with tongue.
At least it came out.
That’s what she said.
Is she gay?
And Walky didn’t
They hug from a distance with facial expressions…which isn’t nearly as poetic-sounding as I’d like.
Feels?
Feels!
If they hug, I might die of the cute.
If twins hugged they merge into a single person.
They recombine into their pure form and finally are more powerful than you can possibly imagine!!!
“Behold the might of SALKY.”
Salvid
Dally
Salvid or Dally. Either one works. Two mustache tips way up!
Salvid Dally… why does that make me think of the metamorphosis of Narcissus ?
I know this has absolutely nothing to do with the ship or the strip and I should be ashamed of myself for destracting from the strip that started the shipping of this incestual ship, but if you start to google “Salvid”, it corrects you and asks if you’re referring to “Salvador Dalli.” I found that to be awesome and totally appropriate to add here in response to your mustache tipping!
It autocorrects to a misspelling of Salvador Dali? Weird.
That is an AWESOME PUN!
Guess even Google doesn’t know
WONDER TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE
Soooo. Quick completely ineffective poll.
How many people here have siblings?
+1
+1
I have a younger brother…
I have a sister, about a year younger than me.
I’ve stopped counting, honestly.
Are you secretly a DeSanto?
+1 brother
+2 half sisters I don’t know
+2 stepsisters I’ve never met
+1 stepbrother I actually know
+1 stepsister I actually know
+1 halfstepbrother I’ve never met.
Everyone got divorced and remarried.
Do all their names start with R?
2 half sisters 2 half brothers 1 of each on my moms side 1 of each on my dads side
Moms side 5 and half years onee chan, me, 6 years and 4 months otouto.
Dads side me, 10 years 2 months otouto, 15 years 2 months imoto.
I have no siblings. I have many rivals.
Older sister. Younger brother. Yes, I am the dreaded middle child.
Middle children unite! Really peacefully, with social skills and ignorability!
Far too many. Will you take some off my hands?
1 brother + 1 sister.
I got siblings but due to the age difference and having a different parent, I was raised as an only child.
ah me too. I have one half brother and one half sister.
I got one half sister and three half brothers that I know of and they are all many years younger than me.
-1
You have a negative sibling?
One older brother.
+4, which is to say I have four siblings. And I’m exactly in the middle, with two older and two younger.
I have a younger sister, and like Walky, have not exactly been a great brother on a number of occasions. Trying to/am doing better.
+1 younger sister
One twerpy little bro who nonetheless outgrew me *shakes fist*
I feel your pain…
I have younger sisters.
Twin.
I have one six year younger sister. My favorite family member. I can actually talk to her about stuff! It’s pretty cool.
well, these days I can. Not when she was young, though. Not because of my own opinion of her or something like that, but because she couldn’t argue. When she became twelve, suddenly she had reactions beyond Cry and Get Angry And Shout when a disagreement happened, and I was immediately ready to treat her like a human. We’ve gotten along swimmingly since.
+1 Same here!!!
1 sister, fourteen months younger than me.
I do. A rather annoying younger sister who thinks she’s more mature than me.
I have a twin brother.
2 older half brothers.
3. Why, whats up?
Base curiosity.
I’m the oldest of 5 siblings
And another one.
Younger sister, she was given up for adoption, when she got back into contact with us it seems she was almost certainly better off for it.
+2 younger brothers. Yes, I am the smug, know-it-all eldest brother, and damned smug about it. So there!
Two younger siblings, twice the uses of the word “smug” in one sentence when you’re describing your relationship with them… Yep, the math checks out!
I only have one younger brother, so I only get to be a normal amount of smug. :[
+2 sisters, one older and one younger. They often fight with each other, but as the timid middle child I get along quite well with both of them :3 Sometimes it feels like I’m the youngest one though >_<
Well. That worked much better than expected.
I have four myself. 1 half sister. 2 sisters. And then a brother. In that order.
Oh yeah, and one step brother and sister. And recently a step brother in law.
Only child. I was born 3 weeks early and weighed 2.2 lbs. Needless to say I survived (although my pediatrician confided in me before my 18th birthday he had no clue how I made it those first few months).
Mom and Dad figured it was too risky to try again.
I have siblings. I don’t talk to them much. I don’t have the age excuse, though, since two of the three are literally my age.
o/
+2
+3, give or take one
+1.
Just a younger brother!
aw man you assholes better hug at some point now
Ah, they going to be okay, aren’t they? Probably not Billie but these two yes.
Again I have to say that Walky is showing a heretofore unknown adorkable side.
Dang, knew the ‘awkward sibling hug’ wasn’t really going to happen, but it came close.
Because it’s easier being a brother to someone you’re not actually related to.
I was expecting Sal to be offended by that.
As the whiter brother, I gotta help out my whiter sister first. Then you and I can Sibling it up.
Aren’t they all equally white
Or if the Walkertons’ dad is half-white in this universe like he is in the other one, Sal is technically probably whiter than Billie
Well I’m basing it on Walky bieng the “whiter” sibling according to Sal while Billie is just visually whiter.
We’re at a point where Asians are almost passably white now, privilege-wise.
Dammit why should I have to be a cracker
Don’t be sad. Crackers get all the Cheese! And you can always stay at The Ritz.
If this was a different forum I would be directing you towards the Multi-Dimensional Larger-on-the-inside Pun Vault. As it is I will just remind you that there is still a Head Cheese in this universe, and he dislikes crackers…
being black is as far away from white as you can get, like, ever
and sal’s skin is darker than billie’s
I was gonna contend that being, like, a cockroach is farther from white, but I’m sure racists will disagree
He did just admit he’d been a bad brother to her.
Most of my family are huggy/kissy people, I AM NOT!
Oh god, this. So much this. I’ve actually found out after I became an adult that it could be calming, and even enjoyable, to have physical contact with someone, such as holding hands or hugging. That was huge, and a big surprise to me. Turns out when I’m not considered a monster or abnormal for not wanting to be touched at any time my family wants to, including after every quarrel and disagreement we ever had, and I could touch other people on my own terms, it was actually enjoyable! I never knew!
Once, my grandmother was enormously offended, and refused to talk to me until the next time we met, because I asked her not to touch my shoulder from behind without warning me first or asking if it was okay.
Some people do not like to be touched, or do not want to be touched at specific times or when in specific moods, or need to have a say in whether the touching should be initiated before it already has been. Before I was an adult, I met no one who had any understanding for or sympathy with this.
I had a great grandmother who was in one of those Death’s waiting room type nursing homes, well anyway she did not believe that I was me and insisted that I was someone else entirely, she continued to assume this of me until my mother told me to give her a hug, well I gave her one of my awkward pseudo-hugs and suddenly she realised that I really was her great-grandchild.
It sounds like we both share Susan’s uneasiness with touching/hugging/kissing.
I am a hugger and am generally okay with light physical contact as long as I have notice. However, I do not like being touched while I am eating, and it took longer than you might expect to set that precedent with my mother.
Parents are unreasonable if you extablish anything with them I consider you touched by God
It does. I love EGS. I see aspects myself in so many of the characters.
Uhh, Walky? How about trying to be a good brother to your ACTUAL SISTER? You know, the one related to you by blood?
Oh well. Baby steps.
But is that even natural?
Nope
I think they understand that that’s an implicit part of their conversation.
Also, Billy kinda needs him more right now. Sal has her problems, but none of them are really urgent. And their relationship (Walky and Sal’s) is gonna take time to heal.
Still, it would be nice to have an explicitly-stated apology
She gave him a pass on that, he took it. This was the right move. She knows anyway.
Didn’t know a person only has the capacity to love and be a good sibling to one person at a time :-\
I think the idea here is showing what the twins DO have in common-a disdain for normal methods of showing affection
This may be Walky showing uncharacteristic sense in interactions between people. “I can’t fix what happened between us overnight, but I can help Billie now.”
When Billie’s all happy after making out with Ruth it’s going to be awkward for him since he’ll be expecting her depressed, huh.
The Walkertons season 3 premieres this fall.
Aww…No Awkward Sibling Hug?
This comment was not meant to be a response….sorry!
When can we expect a Movie?
“Everytime I think about it, I feel like I’m hugging myself with boobs…it’s wierd…”
So how big are your moobs anyhow?
You think boobs would make things less stressful but no.
Joyce believes that Billie’s boobs would reduce stress as this comic below indicates.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/curiosity/
Well her boobs can colm anyone down.
Empathic hugging. Next stage is air kissing.
Also Walky smells. And has cooties.
…and smells like tacos and McNuggets.
And also Billie’s puke
How did I forget THAT?
I’m also pretty sure he didn’t brush his teeth or his morning face!
^^^Amethyst!!!^^^
YEAH!!!
They may as well do Troy and Abed’s handshake.
Come on guys, it’s really easy!
Step 1: Open arms
Step 2: Close arms around target
Step 3: Throw target into the air to set up your combo move
Or just walk ’em off the edge of the arena to piss everyone else off.
You gotta do your chain grab.
Step 4: Advancing Guard
Optional Step 5: Aegis Reflector
What if they A instead of guard though? I bet Walky’s one of those jerks with a ridic fast jab D:
Sympathy via light physical contact?
Yeah..now Dina could give some pointers to the twins.
I love smiling Sal… I’m a bigger fan of Sal. Take that Joyce!!
I’m probably just being dumb but is the “to her” there a typo? It sounds awkward to me. Did you mean “But I want to be a good one now”?
no
my bad
I needed to be sure.
He means that he wants to be a good brother to Billie. It’s kind of like he’s saying “I failed you, I’m not gonna fail her,” only less melodramatically, and more Walkyishly.
Ohhhh. Yeah I’m dumb.
There’s an aquabats song about hugs that could help this along…
Hey Homies!
I’d forgotten that Billie is basically walk’s surrogate sister.
*Walky’s
I’m still forgetting this. What?
Billie sees her parents so little that she almost calls the Walkterons Mom and Dad.
Walky and her are close enough they’re practically siblings.
I may be reading too far into this, but is it possible that kid-Walky was kinda replacing Sal with Billie? Like, Walky and Sal never really got each other, and so Walky missed Sal. Billie was much more accessible, and they feel very sibling-ish towards each other.
It’s more likely that Walky and Billie were just friends independently, but it’d be kinda touching if he was looking for Billie because he was really looking for a certain sisterly relationship.
Hey Homies!
Ah look at this adorable family of Douchebags.
Hugs are for the WEAK!! One must NOOGIE to show affection to siblings! it is the ONLY acceptable way!
But you must BUY them DINNER first!
NOPE. If it’s FAMILY, you must PUT UP WITH THEM when they COME OVER UNANNOUNCED for a TWO-WEEK VACATION (including ROOM AND BOARD at YOUR HOUSE)!
You sound like are speaking from personal experience. It sounds awful.
I see what you alluded to here.
A punch to the upper arm or shoulder is also acceptable.
especially for blind earthbenders
Yeah, the only really acceptable way for siblings to interact is to smack the other’s shoulder once or twice and then pretend it didn’t happen. (Not actually serious, but kind of actually serious)
Our appreciation can be expressed in grunts and approving nods.
Meh…/nods approvingly
That was worse than not saying anything.
they’re a different breed, the Walky twins
Maybe they’re a different breed
Maybe they’re not listening
So blame it on their ADD baby
DAMN YOU AGAIN, WILLIS! YOU WON’T LET ME HATE LEO, AND NOW YOU’RE NOT LETTING ME HATE SAL! *shakes fist in impotent rage*
Go on hug it out, y’all won’t die.
Sal is being surprisingly cute and relaxed, here…
Sooo…. is anyone else even remotely entertaining the idea that perhaps Billie is indeed Walkie’s sister biologically? Cause that kinda feels like whats going on to me,
‘Dad’s British, Mom’s Chinese.’
Considering Mr. and Mrs. Walkerton are half-black and white, respectively, I’d say it’s a pretty far cry.
That would mean Walky’s father had an affair with Billie’s mother which is kind of plausible at least from Billy’s mother side. On the other hand since Walky’s father is black wouldn’t Billie be much more darker skinned?
The racial mix wouldn’t line up.
I love their smiles. It feels so good to see them share that.
If you never did it, it doesn’t work to start now.
As long as Walky and Sal understand each other who cares what anyone else thinks.
That’s at the heart of a lot of sibling interactions, isn’t it!
*plays the Full House theme*
This warms the cockles of my heart, dammit.
Awww, that’s adorable. In a walky way…
So… instead of adorkable, it’s… awalkable?
I heard feelings make you gay. That’s why I lift weights instead of emoting.
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Way to trigger my ADD/OCD there people. (Must click… ALL … the links). Fortunately I know TV Tropes is a bad one for me and keep my hands away from the pointing devices attached to the computer, and just used the keyboard to navigate the page and ONLY the page until complete, then close the page out.
In my (weak) defence, I posted it mainly to test to see if I can successfuly do the hovertext thingy.
Being a brother at 18 is an entirely different game than being one as a kid. Walky can learn to play this game.
Plus, baby steps. Be a good brother to Billie and he will learn to handle the nearly adult Sal better.
Walky, this is nice and all, but you should also probably say you want to be better to your actual sister. Then again, it’s possible Sal can take care of herself.
I agree, but I think the subtext is that he also wants to be a good sister to his actual sister as well. But he decided to smile awkwardly and use subtext rather than using words as neither of them are good at feelings, as indicated in the last panel.
“Awkward sibling hug?” “Awkward sibling hug.”
http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me3odlEjsU1r6hkw6o2_500.gif
So Billie, Walky, and Sal are all siblings? Did I miss something? Nothing about it in the Cast Gallery.
No. Walky and Sal are siblings (twins,) although they have very, very different life stories. Billie is Walky’s closest frenemy from childhood. She’s so alienated from her family that she almost thinks of Walky and Sal’s parents as her own parents. Walky (and, I assume Sal) think of Billie as a sibling to the extent that when somebody suggested they were lovers, they both reacted as if that were a suggestion of incest.
To add to this, Linda Walkerton and her husband also considers Billie to be a daughter, and according to Sal they like Billie more than Sal.
Though while Walky reacts to the suggestion of being sexually involved with Billie as he would to being sexually involved with Sal, Billie seems to be somewhat sexually attracted to Sal.
Billie’s just…confused. Not necessarily about her sexuality, but about…everything.
I mean, seriously, Ruth? Ruth is my favorite character, bar none, but I wouldn’t have a relationship with her for anything.
Billie’s an “adopted sibling” in the sense she and Walky have been friends forever and she used to spend all her time at his house.
Also, at least her dad is pretty neglectful of her (and we don’t know if her mom’s in the picture at all), hence why she didn’t have family at Fall Freshman Family Weekend and didn’t expect them.
my family was basically the opposite
“[family name]s don’t hit, they hug”
kinda sucked for me, since I’m really averse to touch :/
Thanks Willis, I needed this one.
I love how they both just take it for granted that Billie is part of their family.
Aww…no Awkward Sibling Hug?
*tilts head, smiles*
And nothing to provoke ignorant comments about race issues either. Almost too good to be true.
But wait till next time.