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At first I thought it may exponentially complicate things, and while I don’t immediately subscribe to the chosen labels (sushi in particular seems inside-out if one considers sashimi or seaweed rolls, otoh, I suppose sashimi toast makes sense, but I don’t see the solution to seaweed rolls, since some of the ‘filling’ is outside the burito). But, I like where they’re going and can see good things coming from The Cube Rule.
To answer Wagstaff’s query, according to the cube rule, a hotdog is a Taco.
Hot dogs may belong to the sandwich family, but since the halves of the bun are still connected they’re in the same genus as tacos and pita pockets rather than burgers and clubs.
I always find it weird when people refer to the who think as a hot dog. To me, the hot dog is the sausage-y thing that’s ON the bun. A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog on a bun.
It’s both, like many things.
If you buy a package of hot dogs, you’ll just get the sausagey things. If you order a hot dog at a place that serves food, you’ll get it with bun.
Burgers are the same way. If you ordered a burger, you wouldn’t expect just a meat pattie on your plate.
Honestly, I’ve heard mixed things about the company itself, but Dave’s Killer Bread really is good. It also seems like it should be fairly nutrient dense, with a lot of whole grains, and no highly processed flour.
The 22-grain (or whatever the number is) makes great stuffing base. And it’s good on meat sandwiches. But it’s a bit heavy for cheese sandwiches, PB&J, things like that.
Orowheat whole-wheat is what actually lives in my house most of the year.
Not that whole lectin myth again. The only lectin that’s been shown to be at all harmful is phytohemagglutinin, which normally only causes temporary gastronomic distress, and that’s when it hasn’t been cooked properly first. On the contrary, lectins have been shown to provide some protection against cancer. Not to mention that many of the foods with high lectin content provide healthy fiber, phytochemicals, minerals and generally have been found to correlate with a lower risk of heart attack and stroke and a lowered risk of premature death in general.
If your worried about rheumatoid arthritis specifically or have a food allergy, maybe minimize the wheat. But generally, the lectins are bad for you myth is just quackery.
I’m a little late and no expert on this stuff, but just wanted to point out: at no point in that post did eh, whatever say lectins are harmful, but merely that they inhibit the absorption of nutrients. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/anti-nutrients/lectins/ seems to support BOTH your posts, actually: that lectins have health benefits but make the nutrients less accessible.
My local grocery has a store-brand whole wheat that I would buy pretty much regardless of the price, but it’s way cheaper than the name brands. Like $1.20 a loaf compared to $3.49 for the name brand.
Also I don’t quite understand Joe’s sort of contradictory thoughts here. On one hand immediately acknowledging that Sal is “absurdly hot” but also stating that her resemblance to Walky is something he can “get past” as if it’s a problem? Like I’m almost getting some slightly bi repression here. Sal is hot and she looks like Walky. Deal with it Joe!
I understand his motivation, my thing is Sal and Walky look alike so logically isn’t the same features equally appealing on both of them. Joe says “Walky with boobs” like it’s an issue, but to me that’s the deal you sign when you’re attracted to a Walkerton sibling. Danny gets it.
He wasn’t really trying to flirt with Ruth either, or at least that was the impression Joyce inferred to the audience. He just says “ur hot lmao” because that’s his Fun No Feelings Sex Bro persona.
Look at any beauty product ad and it is obvious that ‘hotness’ can reside in the face.
I’ve read that a symmetrical face indicates a lack of serious diseases in childhood which signals ‘fitness’ in the evolutionary psychology sense.
HOWEVER…
When someone looks at you in a certain way, with a smile or even a smirk that screams ‘I am thinking dirty thoughts – about YOU!” then the face is attractive – no matter what convention aesthetics might say.
Lifetime of people approaching with seemingly good intent only to turn on her when she’s not receptive to the point of leading her to believe that people are only nice to her in order to gain leverage, with a possible side order of people who wanted to be kind but then gave up or got angry when Sal walled herself up.
Emotional vulnerability is the issue. And therefore her mother, who does things out of ‘kindness’ just to then use them as ammo against her in arguments at later times makes her cautious.
She was sent away to Catholic boarding school where she snuck out of the windows at night and went to bars where she used her underaged attractiveness to get men to buy her alcohol. She is an easy drunk with low inhibitions and Jason was clearly not her first.
So in a word, earned cynicism. Two Words. Well earned cynicism.
Remember a year ago when we had those bread shortages? Around here in the Bay Area, every brand of bread was sold out. Except for the super “health food” low carb, free range, organic, cage free 12 kinds of birdseed bread brand. They were still fully stocked up. I had to laugh.
In the midwest, there were shortages of anything people could buy at Walmart or HyVee for a couple weeks. You’d go into the store and shelves would be emptier than when the employees were moving products to a new section.
Then Walmart had the nerve to turn around and say they deserved a government handout because they lost money during the pandemic. Uh, no.
I continue to be relieved that the whole Sal going after Asher thing resolved itself pretty quickly and now she’s actually pursuing a potentially wholesome relationship.
I suspect that she feels, as I do, that Joe is playing ‘in character’ because it is easier and it helps him avoid thinking about other things (*coughJoycecough*).
I feel like this is the beginning of something serious. Sal is calling Danny by name and Joe now knows about their really strong/sweet and probably more than just friendship situation. Also, nice reflection of Joe on the window pane on panel 2.
It says a lot about Joe that he assumed that Sal was looking for a hookup. I guess that we really do all interpret other people’s actions through our own perspectives and habits!
Fortunately, it’s hard to get punched by someone who’s currently yelling to you from outside the window. Now if Sal goes inside, Joe might be in danger of getting punched.
Having not heard Schwebel’s bread I look it up figuring it was an Indiana thing. But nope, as far as I can tell it’s an Ohio bread company that doesn’t appear to be available in many places out-of-state, not even in Bloomington, Indiana (at least according to the company website). So either Joe is referencing something he can only buy where he grew up which would have to be close to the Ohio border or this a flub and Joe probably wouldn’t know about Schwebel’s.
Also, I spent an absurdly long time looking for someone posting about Joe’s choice in bread so that I could point out that he should be eating Nickles. So thank you, CrazyJ, for being the only person talking about Schwebel’s specifically.
Schwebel’s is all over West PA. Unfortunately, my preferred bread, Stroemann’s, which was made in PA, disappeared some time during the pandemic and has not returned.
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MARTIN’S POTATO BREAD, MOFO
King’s Hawaiian which I didn’t even know they made sliced until I saw that Guy Fieri commercial.
Their rolls are pretty good, but I swear by my grocery store’s bakery rye bread, especially when making grilled cheese.
I discovered that a few years ago and wow it makes for good sandwiches.
Does a hot dog count as a sandwich?
I invite you to investigate The Cube Rule, and see what it does to your own opinions.
It makes my opinions three times as strong.
Or something like that.
At first I thought it may exponentially complicate things, and while I don’t immediately subscribe to the chosen labels (sushi in particular seems inside-out if one considers sashimi or seaweed rolls, otoh, I suppose sashimi toast makes sense, but I don’t see the solution to seaweed rolls, since some of the ‘filling’ is outside the burito). But, I like where they’re going and can see good things coming from The Cube Rule.
To answer Wagstaff’s query, according to the cube rule, a hotdog is a Taco.
A hotdog on a bun is a taco. A hotdog by itself is a salad.
Hot dogs may belong to the sandwich family, but since the halves of the bun are still connected they’re in the same genus as tacos and pita pockets rather than burgers and clubs.
I always find it weird when people refer to the who think as a hot dog. To me, the hot dog is the sausage-y thing that’s ON the bun. A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog on a bun.
It’s both, like many things.
If you buy a package of hot dogs, you’ll just get the sausagey things. If you order a hot dog at a place that serves food, you’ll get it with bun.
Burgers are the same way. If you ordered a burger, you wouldn’t expect just a meat pattie on your plate.
If hoagies are sandwiches, then a hot dog can also be classified as a sandwich.
A hoagie is just another word used in place of the correct ‘submarine sandwich’ which is a sandwich.
A hotdog without a bun is still a hot dog. A hoagie without a bun is just a mess.
They’re also grinders.
You mean a hero?
The world has been debating this meme for years. It’s meat between two pieces of bread, so; yes.
I forgot about King’s but I also can’t eat carbs anymore
Honestly, I’ve heard mixed things about the company itself, but Dave’s Killer Bread really is good. It also seems like it should be fairly nutrient dense, with a lot of whole grains, and no highly processed flour.
The 22-grain (or whatever the number is) makes great stuffing base. And it’s good on meat sandwiches. But it’s a bit heavy for cheese sandwiches, PB&J, things like that.
Orowheat whole-wheat is what actually lives in my house most of the year.
I’m partial to Oroweat’s oatnut bread.
People still believe in that stuff? Whole grains contain lectins that prevent you from taking up the vitamins & minerals & whatnot.
Grass seeds aren’t apples. They haven’t evolved to be eaten. Quite the opposite in fact.
If you have enough of wheat flour, try rye flour.
Dave’s Killer Bread is an apt name, considering how fuckin’ dry it is.
Not that whole lectin myth again. The only lectin that’s been shown to be at all harmful is phytohemagglutinin, which normally only causes temporary gastronomic distress, and that’s when it hasn’t been cooked properly first. On the contrary, lectins have been shown to provide some protection against cancer. Not to mention that many of the foods with high lectin content provide healthy fiber, phytochemicals, minerals and generally have been found to correlate with a lower risk of heart attack and stroke and a lowered risk of premature death in general.
If your worried about rheumatoid arthritis specifically or have a food allergy, maybe minimize the wheat. But generally, the lectins are bad for you myth is just quackery.
I’m a little late and no expert on this stuff, but just wanted to point out: at no point in that post did eh, whatever say lectins are harmful, but merely that they inhibit the absorption of nutrients.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/anti-nutrients/lectins/ seems to support BOTH your posts, actually: that lectins have health benefits but make the nutrients less accessible.
I miss Klosterman’s tbh.
Wait, hold up, they make, like, regular loaves of bread of that stuff, not just rolls????????????????????
Yep! It’s the perfect PBJ bread
My local grocery has a store-brand whole wheat that I would buy pretty much regardless of the price, but it’s way cheaper than the name brands. Like $1.20 a loaf compared to $3.49 for the name brand.
“Danny, get over here! No, stand over HERE! I’m facing the other way now, the shirt won’t work!”
Joe’s an optimist. Also I guess Jacob is around. Maybe we’ll see him at some point.
Joe is confused. Danny? But, Sal is hot! Danny?
Sal proving that she knows at least one person’s name other than her brother’s.
Joe either doesn’t know Sal’s, or just considers the description more appropriate.
I get the feeling she knows more names than she lets on, but she just prefers her nicknames for everyone.
“Danny? Danny who? Is there a *cool* Danny around here somewhere I don’t know about?”
Joe has been handed a golden opportunity to fuck this up.
Also, yay Jacob still exists.
Pretty sure that Joe is psychologically incapable of cock-blocking friends.
Deliberately, sure, but I think it’s been established that Joe is a garbage wingman.
What about that one time during science class?
He seems to be pretty good at accidentally cock-blocking though.
What if when Danny and Sal break up on the Got Dumped Stairs Danny starts dating Walky.
No, the rule is that whoever DUMPS Danny has to date Walky next.
…. this might cause some problems.
That’s why Danny is taking initiative.
Now he gets to date Walky, otherwise if Sal breaks up with him she’ll have to do it.
“Danny taking initiative” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Have your upvote
Also I don’t quite understand Joe’s sort of contradictory thoughts here. On one hand immediately acknowledging that Sal is “absurdly hot” but also stating that her resemblance to Walky is something he can “get past” as if it’s a problem? Like I’m almost getting some slightly bi repression here. Sal is hot and she looks like Walky. Deal with it Joe!
I think it’s more that he thinks Walky is a weird little toxically-masculine manchild who dated his stepsister?
‘Unfortunately, your brother’s personality is so obnoxious it rubs off on you by proxy, since I know him way better.’
He says she’s “absurdly hot” in private but when talking to her throws the “Walky with boobs” line.
He’s probably negging, or maybe this is the best flirting he can muster since Joyce pointed out that shot he took at Ruth was barely an effort.
I understand his motivation, my thing is Sal and Walky look alike so logically isn’t the same features equally appealing on both of them. Joe says “Walky with boobs” like it’s an issue, but to me that’s the deal you sign when you’re attracted to a Walkerton sibling. Danny gets it.
See, now to me, Joe is basically saying Walky with boobs being hot is what is absurd but yet true.
It’s like how evolution and the accidental creation of life by the time-traveling Cheese dropping a candy wrapper with bacteria can both be true.
I think Joe has figured that he has zero chance with Sal
Yeah, this. All he’s got is to mess with her a little, and he’s gonna take what he can get.
He wasn’t really trying to flirt with Ruth either, or at least that was the impression Joyce inferred to the audience. He just says “ur hot lmao” because that’s his Fun No Feelings Sex Bro persona.
Since when is hotness a property of the face?
Since always?
I mean, it’s not the only thing, but it’s definitely a big factor in physical appearance.
Look at any beauty product ad and it is obvious that ‘hotness’ can reside in the face.
I’ve read that a symmetrical face indicates a lack of serious diseases in childhood which signals ‘fitness’ in the evolutionary psychology sense.
HOWEVER…
When someone looks at you in a certain way, with a smile or even a smirk that screams ‘I am thinking dirty thoughts – about YOU!” then the face is attractive – no matter what convention aesthetics might say.
the faaaaaaaaace?
Joe is over-joeing in a desperate attempt to put out of his mind the recent revelation that he has romantic feelings for Joyce.
Also he’s snarking at someone throwing rocks at his window.
All of the above comments, plus maybe a subconscious admission that Walky is hot too.
Holy shit, she called him Danny.
That’s how you KNOW she’s serious!
Technically, she referred to him as Danny. Until she does it to his name, she can still keep her cred.
She already did though https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/05-as-long-as-its-free/figured/ and it was very sweet
OK, so long as she doesn’t do it to his face in front of others.
And yes, I know how filthy that sounds. Perverts.
You’re the one who made the comment. You’re the one who knows how filthy it sounds. We’re the perverts.
It’s a fair cop.
The indignity of having to actually use his name! How low she’s been brought!
Sunday Morning used to be rerun time for Saturday Morning
Worst. Wingman. Ever.
Honestly, I basically love what the comic has done with Joe and (to a lesser extent) Danny. They’re extremely funny now.
how timely. I got to this strip while rereading this comic and it gels nicely with this page.
And here I thought you were gonna reach all the way back to some Roomies strip.
YES GO GET DANNY.
TBH though, this is a lot better than I thought the first time we see Joe hitting on her would go.
I’m sure Joe must’ve hit on her in one of their first three encounters. He’s Joe.
No, the first time we see them interact on screen is just after the list, so he’s in apologizing mode there.
Oh, DANNY. His name was DANNY. Thank you, that’s been driving me nuts for months.
The alt text killed me more than usual this time.
Condolences on your untimely demise.
I’m sure we are all glad you got better. Personally, I didn’t get it and assumed I was missing a cultural referent.
I’m genuinely curious what happened to Sal to make her so afraid of romance.
It’s not romance, it’s emotional vulnerability. Also, her mother.
Lifetime of people approaching with seemingly good intent only to turn on her when she’s not receptive to the point of leading her to believe that people are only nice to her in order to gain leverage, with a possible side order of people who wanted to be kind but then gave up or got angry when Sal walled herself up.
Emotional vulnerability is the issue. And therefore her mother, who does things out of ‘kindness’ just to then use them as ammo against her in arguments at later times makes her cautious.
She was sent away to Catholic boarding school where she snuck out of the windows at night and went to bars where she used her underaged attractiveness to get men to buy her alcohol. She is an easy drunk with low inhibitions and Jason was clearly not her first.
So in a word, earned cynicism. Two Words. Well earned cynicism.
Three words.
“Oh, sweet, you want this? No, of course, you want the hotter dude down the hall. No? You want…bread?
…are you a pigeon because I’m pretty sure you have to tell me if you’re a pigeon.”
That moment when you realize “oh, right, ah’m the only person who actually knows who my nicknames belong to.”
Next time I do a full re-read I’m going to try to document every single nickname Sal ever gives everyone.
Remember a year ago when we had those bread shortages? Around here in the Bay Area, every brand of bread was sold out. Except for the super “health food” low carb, free range, organic, cage free 12 kinds of birdseed bread brand. They were still fully stocked up. I had to laugh.
I just switched to tortillas and made sandwich wraps, quesadillas and burritos.
You actually had bread shortages?
(wouldn’t notice, rarely eat bread.)
That low-carb stuff is usually about 5 times more expensive than regular bread.
In the midwest, there were shortages of anything people could buy at Walmart or HyVee for a couple weeks. You’d go into the store and shelves would be emptier than when the employees were moving products to a new section.
Then Walmart had the nerve to turn around and say they deserved a government handout because they lost money during the pandemic. Uh, no.
Bread shortages? What I remember running out were pasta, rice, beans, and in a bit of a downstream effect, dried cumin, but not perishables.
We had bread shortages?
Well, I guess I wouldn’t know, because I don’t eat bread.
I don’t remember having bread shortages in my area last year. I definitely remember having people panic-buying toilet paper last year though.
It was a bit of a downstream effect on account of the poor people without access to toilet paper having to use something.
That’s what the newspaper is for. Especially the op/ed section.
We had shortages of TP, bread, pasta, and all the comfort carbs.
zero for two, Joe
Now she’s yelling at someone she barely knows that she wants to see Danny. I get the feeling that her plan backfired.
She would have had to make the same request if she had knocked on the door and Joe answered it.
True, but at a much lower volume. So less people overall would here her.
I had forgotten that Sal once said Danny is adorable but she won’t have sex with him, I wonder if she’s changed her mind?
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/03-up-all-night-to-get-vengeance/shirk/
That was a while ago, and since then they’ve become pretty good friends
Also she kissed him
Yeah like, that was a day after they first met.
Not to mention that it was probably another indicator to what Sal talked about last chapter: she thinks Danny’s tutoring her to get into her pants.
I continue to be relieved that the whole Sal going after Asher thing resolved itself pretty quickly and now she’s actually pursuing a potentially wholesome relationship.
God this was hilarious. I didn’t know I needed Joe and Sal talking.
I love how Sal doesn’t care enough about Joe to be offended by him.
I suspect that she feels, as I do, that Joe is playing ‘in character’ because it is easier and it helps him avoid thinking about other things (*coughJoycecough*).
so she KNOWS his name
I feel like this is the beginning of something serious. Sal is calling Danny by name and Joe now knows about their really strong/sweet and probably more than just friendship situation. Also, nice reflection of Joe on the window pane on panel 2.
This is adorable.
*gasp* she remembers his name
It says a lot about Joe that he assumed that Sal was looking for a hookup. I guess that we really do all interpret other people’s actions through our own perspectives and habits!
I mean Joe knows no one seeks him for his personality.
Is Joe trying to get punched? Because that is how you get punched.
Fortunately, it’s hard to get punched by someone who’s currently yelling to you from outside the window. Now if Sal goes inside, Joe might be in danger of getting punched.
Sal can climb in windows. He should fear her climbing up and punching him.
Having not heard Schwebel’s bread I look it up figuring it was an Indiana thing. But nope, as far as I can tell it’s an Ohio bread company that doesn’t appear to be available in many places out-of-state, not even in Bloomington, Indiana (at least according to the company website). So either Joe is referencing something he can only buy where he grew up which would have to be close to the Ohio border or this a flub and Joe probably wouldn’t know about Schwebel’s.
Schwebel’s is from Youngstown, near(ish) Akron, in the north East, far from Indiana. I’d never heard of it until I moved to the Cleveland area.
Nickles Backery, of Fort Wayne, seems the more likely bread option.
Also, I spent an absurdly long time looking for someone posting about Joe’s choice in bread so that I could point out that he should be eating Nickles. So thank you, CrazyJ, for being the only person talking about Schwebel’s specifically.
it’s because i like saying the word schwebels and hate saying the word nickel
Is it canon now that Joe is some sort of bread snob that imports his bread from out of state? Cause if it’s not I think it should be!
Mike telling someone he fucked their mom for a schwebels just wouldn’t have had the same impact.
Now we know why Mike died, DamnYouWillis doesn’t like the word nickel, and Mike is constantly doing Moms for nickels.
Mike died for your bread.
Should at least charge a dime.
Schwebel’s is all over West PA. Unfortunately, my preferred bread, Stroemann’s, which was made in PA, disappeared some time during the pandemic and has not returned.
Oh Joe. I know we grow, but know we grow so slow…so slow.
Gotta maintain appearances in public.
It is amusing that Joe is the one that froces Sal to use a nmae and how he does so.
Anybody feel that Sal, in panels 4 and 6, looks very very vulnerable and unusually open? It hit me like a punch. … How different she looks.
We’re looking down at her from Joe’s perspective—it’s an unusual point of view.