Not exactly related to the new strip, but as a Russian-American with family ties to Ukraine (and having also lived in multiple cities there for a few years), tonight’s…going to be especially difficult for me. Heart goes out to anyone else feeling similarly right now, whether they’re there or not.
I just really wanted a little relief from having to pay seemingly involuntary attention to the tumultuous mess the world is right now. I’m SO sorry if I caused any one any stress though!!!!! 🥺
Kinda reinforces that this is not even strategically driven, but is just petty squabling to stroke his ego. But he’s willing to killing many many people to do it.
Hmm… I was going to share with you a song I recorded in concert 20 years ago, about Ukrainian history, but it looks like the server disc it was hosted on has finally degraded and conked out. Too bad.
OK, instead I’ll just share the US embassy’s meme: https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/02/ukraine-embassy-meme-01.jpg
Huh. Still in moderation jail. OK, let’s try something different:
And, OF COURSE: give blood.
There is a global blood shortage and easing the supply crisis locally will have ripple effects that extend all the way across the world. Already there is less than a full day’s supply available and people needing regular transfusions are having to delay treatment, as are people needing blood-intensive surgeries.
Ukraine is — I was going to talk about the need for blood bank supplies there, but it’s too sad and scary, I can’t say it. It’s too hard to even think about.
I can’t give blood, for health reasons, which is why I hope others will give for two.
The Red Cross has recently expanded its donor criteria and issued “respectful treatment” instructions, to make it easier for folks in the LGBTQ+ community to give blood. Makes it a little easier and less scary.
Blood drive resources:
Red Cross: https://www.redcross.org/give-blood.html
(Yes, I know, Red Cross is problematic. They’re also the ones who DO THE WORK worldwide, in the places where nobody else can.)
Thanks for all the info. Don’t think it’s active moderators censoring you. Any post with 3+ links automatically goes to mod-jail until (i think) Willis themself gets around to looking at it. It’s an anti-spam measure.
I would offer support but my mind is currently preoccupied by my state governor’s attempt to murder hundreds of innocent children to distract people from his previous winter-storm-electric-bill murders
Some of it is an attempt to distract, some of it is his earnest wish to do untold harm, and most of it is that Abbott is going to be primary’d by an even more hardcore conservative, so he’s in a very untenable position that’d be delightful if he wasn’t trying to take us all with him.
Heart goes out to you! I can’t imagine what that must be like. You and yours will be in my thoughts and well wishes. Millions are also hoping for the safety and security of Ukraine so if thoughts can manifest good in the world, let it be now!
Solidarity with you and your loved ones. The world is ruled by the cruellest, most venal opportunists imaginable, but there are so many more people who are with you and the people of Ukraine than are with those who would bomb you or exploit your suffering. I hope that fact can be of some small comfort.
To offer some internet sympathy and also to make amends for that evidently poor choice of mine up there, I would like to share a better, more uplifting share of music. 🙏
Ugh, that sucks. This is why Russia needed to have been punched in the face repeatedly over Crimea.
Chamberlaining never works (and it’s morally bankrupt besides) and it’s never just Poland. Fascists can’t be allowed anything, because what they want is everything.
She’s always worn makeup I assume. Her lips are always shaded pink or purple like she’s wearing lipstick or lipgloss anyway. That’s why I’ve drawn her leaving kiss marks so much
Liz pisses me off so much here, what’s the point of this argument? She doesn’t even want Joe. She’s a spoiled brat who likes to pretend she’s grownup but is terrified of consequences and doesn’t seem to care about self improvement or making amends. Even when she demonstrates she knows she’s done something wrong or has hurt someone.
She is also, quite possibly, extremely bored. I’m convinced this is why family road trips are so awful: People with nothing better to do start shit over things that don’t matter all that much and blow it way out of proportion for sheer lack of anything else worth doing.
People who cause shit just for the sake of it are just disappointing. This is the cause of 90+% of the fights with my ex and they’re continuing it with our kid. It’s heartbreaking to watch them soaking up this behaviour pattern and suffering through the consequences of it.
That’s the saddest part about this scenario, Joe wants to be better, but hasn’t had enough time for the guilt to subside and make him feel like he’s BECOME better yet. A Sarah-shaped repercussion would psychologically decimate him. I genuinely think he’s already on a knife edge as to whether believes he’s actually worthy of love (and Joyce) at this point.
Joe does find her very attractive, and to be honest, I think if we’re talking strictly physically, the feeling is somewhat mutual. It’s just nothing else about Joe that is her type, and that’s even with his reformation. They are on very different wavelengths for anything other than some kind of not-quite-hatefuck-but-in-that-ballpark.
Which is a shame, because especially at first, Sarah would have been down for the casual, no-strings-attached sex Joe specialized in. If he hadn’t established himself as a predatory creep in her eyes at first meeting.
I’m not sure she’s shown any signs of physical attraction to him though. Certainly nothing like her reaction to Jacob.
Liz’s alternative hypothesis doesn’t even make sense. Sarah didn’t even know Liz was interested in Joe until they were already on their way to Ball State.
Yep. I get along with my younger sibling just fine, but my very-close-in-age father and aunt have definitely seen their relationship improve significantly by not having to see each other or talk unless they want to. (To be clear: They do see each other and talk! Outside of holidays and family crises, even! But they’re just the wrong mix of similar in certain ways and different in others to grate each other’s gears, so while they like each other NOW, it’s one of those relationships where a meetup at Disney World on overlapping trips would be fine, but planning a whole trip to Disney World together would be extremely ill-advised.)
I guess she could use at the very least a LITTLE help (it’ll go a VERY long way), but I’ll thank you NOT to refer to Liz or any of the other college students in the cast as “children”. 😬
I think we all need to remember (and by we, I mean I) that half the cast is in some way either indoctrinated in faith or dealing with trauma caused by faith.
I mean, it’s just Joyce, Becky, Liz? Walky/Sal are other issues, and Billie, Ruth, Dorothy, Dina, Joe, Danny, Ethan, etc. are either atheist or ‘don’t really care about religion’. Even Jacob’s interest in religion is pretty much academic.
and that they’re college students, and uhhhhhhh idk about everyone else but I wasn’t exactly a paragon of maturity at ages 18 – 21. like aside from the trauma obv mentioned/alluded to in the strip I think a lot of what we see is just how horrifyingly awkward it is to be a brand new adult. *shudders to remember*
I think Liz is very interesting, but I get the feeling she’s making some people think more fondly of Malaya and Roz than they have in the past.
Personally, I think there are endearing qualities to her, but she’s definitely immature and really seems to be on the border of a cry for help sometimes. Like, I feel there is something very compelling here to me, reconciling this Liz with Liz’s aborted attempt at sex with Joe. This is a girl at a crossroads.
Yea Liz is being annoying and the screwing with Sarah’s life isn’t cool but this whole convo being fixated on the fact liz might have slept with Joe is bleh
Feels like liz is bad here because she’s interested in casual sex
Like, the comic itself? I don’t think DoA would shame a character for that.
The audience on the other hand, well, fond memories of like a week ago where I had to put up with “Dina can’t tell that she’s pressuring Becky into sex.”
As people mentioned yesterday, remember Sarah’s impression of Joe is still basically the “fix her with my penis” version. Nor does she know how it actually went down between Liz and Joe. There was no reason for her to think Joe wasn’t the creep trying to manipulate her sister into sex.
And by today, she’s mostly just reacting to Liz saying she’s into him.
I get Sarah being protective in relation to Joe, and it’s understandable how she’s operating, I’m more just grousing about it as a concept. Like it’s very in character but even then I’m still urghhhh.
Not just in character for Sarah – implying a character flaw in her, but I think it’s not the casual sex aspect that she’s objecting to. Or at least not mostly. I mean, Sarah’s never shown any signs of being against casual sex before. She’s even talked about preferring it to relationships.
It could be her being okay with it for herself, but protective and controlling of her little sister(s) doing it, which would be pretty lousy and I think might be how you’re reading it?
I see it as far more Joe-centered. Sarah’s not against casual sex, she’s against predatory creeps and there’s little reason to think she’s moved Joe far out of that category. She’s not slut-shaming Liz, she’s worried Joe’s done his old creepy moves on her and that she was naive enough to fall for them.
I think it’s more that Sarah knows her sister is a naive, immature little dork who left her faith like, yesterday and probably doesn’t have the best mindset around sex (whatever she thinks that mindset may be) and Joe from her perspective is a predatory sleezebag creep. I think she’s just worried that her baby sister got pressured into something she wasn’t ready for. And also Liz is an *annoying* baby sister so she’s also just pissed about that, generally
Her reasons are her own but being the omnipresent observer we are we are privy to the fact that they aren’t particularly good reasons. She is also assuming a lot about Sarah and is insinuating that she might STILL sleep with Joe simply because her sister MIGHT be interested in him. That is pretty “wrong”.
If you mean whether Sarah likes Joe; Meh? They haven’t had such deep interactions that this would suddenly cause “relationship drama”.
My hypothesis on the feud between younger and older siblings is that older siblings used to have all the attention and now there’s this small child next to them they want to punch but then they get grounded if they do so.
Signed, a younger sibling with an outrageously stupid and volatile older sibling.
See, the trick is to be born about a decade and a half later so the sibling is too old to care/probably appreciates having the attention brought off them, any aggressive action from them is wildly inappropriate (unless they’re yelling at you for something stupid bc they’re basically half a parent) and you both effectively get raised as only children, unable to actually interact as siblings until you reach adulthood
….yeah i didn’t actually start feeling like i had a brother until i was like, 15
Or, you can do it like my sister (2-year-difference) and I and become united against one horrible, controlling (and now much better, because less present) parent.
But honestly, I think it comes a little bit down to personality (I’m more of a mediator, my sister was aggressive because of learnt behaviour) and how your parents treat you equally (or not).
I grew up sharing a room with my sister and there were days we wanted to kill each other, but we more or less got along (mostly because we fought so much with my mother, so we kids didn’t have much energy left to want to take our feelings out on one another. Only when I was being a slob).
My sister fought for being able to go out as a teenager, being allowed to drink (we’re located in Europe, you can drink alcohol once you’ve turned 16), staying overnight at friends’ places and stuff like that.
And I never wanted to do that, so there never were any frustrations with me being allowed to do stuff she wasn’t allowed to do at my younger age, and thus no “The younger child is getting pampered”-kind of stuff. She had to fight more, yes, but also because I absolutely despise being screamed at, and I only ever screamed at my mother in fights, because I was reflecting her fighting behaviour – I didn’t know any better.
What I’m trying to say: It comes down to personalities and talents and how the parents deal with those. If one older child is some kind of genius, I’m guessing a younger sibling won’t have such a good life always being compared to the other. (applies the other way round as well, of course)
This older sibling has always been the quiet, boring, mostly responsible one. My two youngers are the ones who got up to all the mischief. I just stayed in my room and puttered with my hobbies (reading and model building, mostly).
you know if Joyce and joe werent meant for either in this strip I think Sarah and joe would be entertaining just like my mid-south hillbilly redneck uncle and my African American aunt from NYC are you never know if they’re gonna kiss or kill each other ……
I feel like some people in the comments just don’t care about the difference between protectiveness and control, and are eager to lump Sarah’s behavior into the second category.
But I think statements like, ‘Sarah thinks she knows what’s best’ are unfair. Sarah isn’t being controlling, she’s being protective. She doesn’t want her sister taken advantage of or to see Liz ruin her life over an impulsive decision to flunk out of college.
Could that be seen as Sarah thinking she knows best? I guess – but what’s the alternative? That she watches her sister ruin her life in a series of bad, impulsive decisions that will follow her for years to come? Watch as her sister drops out of college? Watch as she’s potentially arrested for illegally living on another campus? What, is her involvement in Liz’s life to give a piece of advice and then watch it go down in flames when her sister doesn’t listen?
Since when is apathy the way we show each other love?
Since when is apathy the way we show each other love?
Since around the time people started treating human interaction as a purely hypothetical perfect-play scenario in which only the most singularly optimal outcome is remotely permissible, according to rules that were never established and nobody could agree on anyway. I’m sure if Sarah didn’t give a shit and just let Liz do whatever, people would have a problem with that, too. And if she did something in the middle, she’d get called wishy-washy and spineless. Everything is always the endpoint, nothing is ever in progress or beginning, there’s no winning move, everything is an infraction, and every infraction is an irremovable blot upon a person’s soul. Eat at Arby’s.
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“because what if he ended up coming home for Thanksgiving with you”
“♪You want my hands off Jo-o-oe♫”
“n/m go sit on his face then”
She wants your hands off Joe in the same way she wants your hands off of a Gaboon Viper.
“A-ha! You admit you don’t want me to strip naked and dive into this pit full of rusty metal spiked!”
You had me in the first half, I’m not gonna lie.
You got me in the second half.
Falling on rusty metal spikes…. Mmmmmm. Nice. What a magical way of getting nailed.
Theme song for this thread.
Not exactly related to the new strip, but as a Russian-American with family ties to Ukraine (and having also lived in multiple cities there for a few years), tonight’s…going to be especially difficult for me. Heart goes out to anyone else feeling similarly right now, whether they’re there or not.
Wish I had a drink on hand right now.
And Putin WOULD choose the anniversary of the fall of his PREVIOUS puppet government there to take revenge! He is a real-world supervillain.
Yeah, right? Soviets or bust bruh! 🫡🤪
*plays “Propoganda” by Taku Iwasaki on Car Radio*
Not an appropriate time
Yet again, another attempt at humor fails. 😞
Oh, well. Failure is discovery too, I guess.
I just really wanted a little relief from having to pay seemingly involuntary attention to the tumultuous mess the world is right now. I’m SO sorry if I caused any one any stress though!!!!! 🥺
Fuck, I didn’t even realize that.
Just have a pit in my stomach right now, can’t even really dig into the strip beyond acknowledging what’s happening in it on a surface level.
Fuck Putin and anyone who stands by him.
As far as warding off bad feelings right now… I’ve got anti-war punk metal.
*plays “War is our Destiny” by Saint Vitus through the Bluetooth speaker*
Kinda reinforces that this is not even strategically driven, but is just petty squabling to stroke his ego. But he’s willing to killing many many people to do it.
Oh, weird, my reply got sent to moderation jail. Too many linkies I bet. Here it is, broken up and with html removed:
Yes. So true. Ugh. It’s so awful. There just are no words. I’ll be worrying all night.
Hearts, prayers, thoughts, money, letters. Those are a few things we can give our friends and family in Ukraine.
MSN lists a few Ukraine-based organizations (some are military, but some are also humanitarian): https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-to-help-the-people-of-ukraine-7-things-you-can-do-right-now/ar-AAUcMtO
Here are a few local US organizations serving Ukraine and its diaspora in this time of crisis and trauma: https://news.yahoo.com/want-help-ukraine-california-organizations-215932081.html
Hmm… I was going to share with you a song I recorded in concert 20 years ago, about Ukrainian history, but it looks like the server disc it was hosted on has finally degraded and conked out. Too bad.
OK, instead I’ll just share the US embassy’s meme:
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/02/ukraine-embassy-meme-01.jpg
Huh. Still in moderation jail. OK, let’s try something different:
And, OF COURSE: give blood.
There is a global blood shortage and easing the supply crisis locally will have ripple effects that extend all the way across the world. Already there is less than a full day’s supply available and people needing regular transfusions are having to delay treatment, as are people needing blood-intensive surgeries.
Ukraine is — I was going to talk about the need for blood bank supplies there, but it’s too sad and scary, I can’t say it. It’s too hard to even think about.
I can’t give blood, for health reasons, which is why I hope others will give for two.
The Red Cross has recently expanded its donor criteria and issued “respectful treatment” instructions, to make it easier for folks in the LGBTQ+ community to give blood. Makes it a little easier and less scary.
Blood drive resources:
Red Cross: https://www.redcross.org/give-blood.html
(Yes, I know, Red Cross is problematic. They’re also the ones who DO THE WORK worldwide, in the places where nobody else can.)
Vitalant: https://www.vitalant.org/
OK, last piece. Sorry, had to break it up into tiny pieces because of the mod squad:
COVID survivor plasma donation: https://www.survivorcorps.com/plasma-state
Plasma donation for all, nationwide: https://www.survivorcorps.com/plasma-national
Thanks for all the info. Don’t think it’s active moderators censoring you. Any post with 3+ links automatically goes to mod-jail until (i think) Willis themself gets around to looking at it. It’s an anti-spam measure.
I would offer support but my mind is currently preoccupied by my state governor’s attempt to murder hundreds of innocent children to distract people from his previous winter-storm-electric-bill murders
so uh
yeah
Ugh. Texas. Gov. Abbot, yes. Puke. Uckh. Bleagh. Yuckkkkh.
Some of it is an attempt to distract, some of it is his earnest wish to do untold harm, and most of it is that Abbott is going to be primary’d by an even more hardcore conservative, so he’s in a very untenable position that’d be delightful if he wasn’t trying to take us all with him.
I mean, he also genuinely wants said innocent children harmed.
But why not kill more kids with one act!
Not much to offer but internet sympathies, but you have those in spades from me.
Heart goes out to you! I can’t imagine what that must be like. You and yours will be in my thoughts and well wishes. Millions are also hoping for the safety and security of Ukraine so if thoughts can manifest good in the world, let it be now!
Can’t blame you for feeling down now. you have my sympathies.
Solidarity with you and your loved ones. The world is ruled by the cruellest, most venal opportunists imaginable, but there are so many more people who are with you and the people of Ukraine than are with those who would bomb you or exploit your suffering. I hope that fact can be of some small comfort.
To offer some internet sympathy and also to make amends for that evidently poor choice of mine up there, I would like to share a better, more uplifting share of music. 🙏
*plays “Please Let There Be Good Weather Tommorrow” by Fujii Fumiya on Car Radio*
I don’t even know what to say, but our hearts are with you.
I’m so sorry, it’s truly awful
Sympathies!
Vibes man. The situation is absolutely awful and I hate that it’s happened. A friend of mine was living in Georgia when it was invaded in 2008.
Ugh, that sucks. This is why Russia needed to have been punched in the face repeatedly over Crimea.
Chamberlaining never works (and it’s morally bankrupt besides) and it’s never just Poland. Fascists can’t be allowed anything, because what they want is everything.
Yes Joe gets a lot of attention IN SPITE of it, alt!
*plays Who’s Johnny on thee car stereo*
Hands-free Joe
Sarah is that sister. I love it.
Sarah is the sister who has just made Joe irresistible.
Joe is best compatible with Sarah’s little sister.
“Okay, so no hands. What about other body parts?”
Mouth would be my go to.
Is Sarah wearing make-up?
Whether she is or not, those are some GORGEOUS cheeks!!!! 😍
She’s always worn makeup I assume. Her lips are always shaded pink or purple like she’s wearing lipstick or lipgloss anyway.
That’s why I’ve drawn her leaving kiss marks so muchYeah, there’s something I LOVE about the way Willis does cheeks, reminds me of anime and even some old cartoons I loved like George Shrinks.
~Aaaaah~….. so ADORABLE☺️
Salubrious, too!!!! 😝
wow i haven’t thought about George Shrinks in ages 😛
D: she’s coming for SS JoeJo without even knowing it D:
Liz pisses me off so much here, what’s the point of this argument? She doesn’t even want Joe. She’s a spoiled brat who likes to pretend she’s grownup but is terrified of consequences and doesn’t seem to care about self improvement or making amends. Even when she demonstrates she knows she’s done something wrong or has hurt someone.
maybe so we get a glimpse into why sarah is so bitter? cause this is really giving me some sarah context.
I think Liz desperately wants attention so bad that she’s willing to fuck up her own life to get it.
She’s basically deflecting at this point is my guess.
She is also, quite possibly, extremely bored. I’m convinced this is why family road trips are so awful: People with nothing better to do start shit over things that don’t matter all that much and blow it way out of proportion for sheer lack of anything else worth doing.
Better to be angry than bored.
People who cause shit just for the sake of it are just disappointing. This is the cause of 90+% of the fights with my ex and they’re continuing it with our kid. It’s heartbreaking to watch them soaking up this behaviour pattern and suffering through the consequences of it.
No.
This is bad. Joe is gonna get his shit kicked in, potentially even worse just because Liz won’t elaborate on anything.
Eh, he’ll probably assume he had it coming.
That’s the saddest part about this scenario, Joe wants to be better, but hasn’t had enough time for the guilt to subside and make him feel like he’s BECOME better yet. A Sarah-shaped repercussion would psychologically decimate him. I genuinely think he’s already on a knife edge as to whether believes he’s actually worthy of love (and Joyce) at this point.
Speaking of which, my gravatar is now the character that resembles me the most, I don’t think I’ll ever recover from this own.
Oh, the guilt never subsides. I still feel guilty for stuff I haven’t even done yet!
Hard same, but I suspect Joe has an overall healthier ego than both of us.
I think Sarah and Joe would actually make a good couple but Sarah hates him so much now that they’d never give it a try.
I’d prefer them as friends. Especially since I ship Joe hard with Joyce. And Friends with a rewards program with Liz.
I’d like Sarah to get with someone though, not Jacob since I think there’s way too much spite wrapped in all of that, but someone.
Sarah deserves a partner that would actually understand her and tell Liz to buzz off.
Unfortunately, all the male cast members are pretty non-confrontational other than… Joe?
There is always the ability to add a new one.
If he’s not hard, how would he ever get with anyone?
(I keed. He has a mouth and/or could bottom, and any number of other creative solutions)
Joe does find her very attractive, and to be honest, I think if we’re talking strictly physically, the feeling is somewhat mutual. It’s just nothing else about Joe that is her type, and that’s even with his reformation. They are on very different wavelengths for anything other than some kind of not-quite-hatefuck-but-in-that-ballpark.
Which is a shame, because especially at first, Sarah would have been down for the casual, no-strings-attached sex Joe specialized in. If he hadn’t established himself as a predatory creep in her eyes at first meeting.
I’m not sure she’s shown any signs of physical attraction to him though. Certainly nothing like her reaction to Jacob.
We did it, guys. We found the Dumbest of Age character.
Congrats Liz on not being able to figure out your sister’s motivations seconds after she spells them out to you.
Liz’s alternative hypothesis doesn’t even make sense. Sarah didn’t even know Liz was interested in Joe until they were already on their way to Ball State.
Hence why Liz thinks Sarah is now interested in Joe. A full Catch-22.
Nah, Blaine still has a lock on that title and likely will for some time, unless he’s ineligible on account of being an adult and also a corpse
I guess being totally lacking in brain functions DOES technically makes you the stupidest person around.
Liz cannot exit the cast quickly enough. Drive fastr, Zoomr drivr!
“OK”
-Zoomr
Does Zoomr like the cars, the cars that go boom?
Then there could be a Zoomr boomer.
only Tigra and Bunny know.
Wanting to love someone while kinda wanting to strangle them, all at the same time.
Ah, sibling energy.
When I was a teenager, I got along with my older sister a lot better after she married and moved out.
Yep. I get along with my younger sibling just fine, but my very-close-in-age father and aunt have definitely seen their relationship improve significantly by not having to see each other or talk unless they want to. (To be clear: They do see each other and talk! Outside of holidays and family crises, even! But they’re just the wrong mix of similar in certain ways and different in others to grate each other’s gears, so while they like each other NOW, it’s one of those relationships where a meetup at Disney World on overlapping trips would be fine, but planning a whole trip to Disney World together would be extremely ill-advised.)
Huh. All my experience with siblings was purely strangly, until I got old enough to never be required to see them ever again.
Hey! She said “I love you”! And definitely meant it!
That’s something, right???
She said it to Joyce too earlier today.
She means it, natch, but I kinda view the subtext of it as “what I do is for your own good.”
This is such an unhealthy mindset. The child needs help! 😬
I guess she could use at the very least a LITTLE help (it’ll go a VERY long way), but I’ll thank you NOT to refer to Liz or any of the other college students in the cast as “children”. 😬
I think we all need to remember (and by we, I mean I) that half the cast is in some way either indoctrinated in faith or dealing with trauma caused by faith.
I mean, it’s just Joyce, Becky, Liz? Walky/Sal are other issues, and Billie, Ruth, Dorothy, Dina, Joe, Danny, Ethan, etc. are either atheist or ‘don’t really care about religion’. Even Jacob’s interest in religion is pretty much academic.
Every character in this strip seems to be psychologically fucked up in one way or another, even the not-overtly-religious ones. Except maybe Dina.
and that they’re college students, and uhhhhhhh idk about everyone else but I wasn’t exactly a paragon of maturity at ages 18 – 21. like aside from the trauma obv mentioned/alluded to in the strip I think a lot of what we see is just how horrifyingly awkward it is to be a brand new adult. *shudders to remember*
This conversation goes on much longer, and Sarah’s going to develop a permanent underbite. And probably bruxism.
the possibility never even entered my mind but that damn Liz is instilling some doubt now
Liz, you’re crazy.
Would love to know what the @ride_trips Your Rideshare Driver guy would tweet about this
I think Liz is very interesting, but I get the feeling she’s making some people think more fondly of Malaya and Roz than they have in the past.
Personally, I think there are endearing qualities to her, but she’s definitely immature and really seems to be on the border of a cry for help sometimes. Like, I feel there is something very compelling here to me, reconciling this Liz with Liz’s aborted attempt at sex with Joe. This is a girl at a crossroads.
Sarah wants Liz to keep her hands off Joe? I thought it was the other way around, but the same means lead to that end too.
I bet the Zoomr driver is Dana. Maybe that’s what Carla meant by “epic prank”.
“I love you and you annoy me” is high praise from Sarah
Yea Liz is being annoying and the screwing with Sarah’s life isn’t cool but this whole convo being fixated on the fact liz might have slept with Joe is bleh
Feels like liz is bad here because she’s interested in casual sex
Like, the comic itself? I don’t think DoA would shame a character for that.
The audience on the other hand, well, fond memories of like a week ago where I had to put up with “Dina can’t tell that she’s pressuring Becky into sex.”
Oh, don’t worry. I’m sure we’ll see more of that whenever we cut back to Becky and Dina.
Probably not. Things seemed to be going well.
When has that ever stopped people from catastrophising and forcing a situation into the “Bad Behavior” box?
There will be some, there always are for anything.
I bet we’ll see less of it next time, than of people complaining about it.
As people mentioned yesterday, remember Sarah’s impression of Joe is still basically the “fix her with my penis” version. Nor does she know how it actually went down between Liz and Joe. There was no reason for her to think Joe wasn’t the creep trying to manipulate her sister into sex.
And by today, she’s mostly just reacting to Liz saying she’s into him.
I get Sarah being protective in relation to Joe, and it’s understandable how she’s operating, I’m more just grousing about it as a concept. Like it’s very in character but even then I’m still urghhhh.
Not just in character for Sarah – implying a character flaw in her, but I think it’s not the casual sex aspect that she’s objecting to. Or at least not mostly. I mean, Sarah’s never shown any signs of being against casual sex before. She’s even talked about preferring it to relationships.
It could be her being okay with it for herself, but protective and controlling of her little sister(s) doing it, which would be pretty lousy and I think might be how you’re reading it?
I see it as far more Joe-centered. Sarah’s not against casual sex, she’s against predatory creeps and there’s little reason to think she’s moved Joe far out of that category. She’s not slut-shaming Liz, she’s worried Joe’s done his old creepy moves on her and that she was naive enough to fall for them.
Sarah is being overly protective here, and in this specific aspect of the conversation she’s in the wrong.
I know, I just have a visceral irritation with even the implication
I’m struggling to put words together properly cause everything feels really bad around the world. I’m definitely going through feelings about Ukraine.
I think it’s more that Sarah knows her sister is a naive, immature little dork who left her faith like, yesterday and probably doesn’t have the best mindset around sex (whatever she thinks that mindset may be) and Joe from her perspective is a predatory sleezebag creep. I think she’s just worried that her baby sister got pressured into something she wasn’t ready for. And also Liz is an *annoying* baby sister so she’s also just pissed about that, generally
I know that Liz is usually wrong, but is she?
Her reasons are her own but being the omnipresent observer we are we are privy to the fact that they aren’t particularly good reasons. She is also assuming a lot about Sarah and is insinuating that she might STILL sleep with Joe simply because her sister MIGHT be interested in him. That is pretty “wrong”.
If you mean whether Sarah likes Joe; Meh? They haven’t had such deep interactions that this would suddenly cause “relationship drama”.
Oh, but Joyce trying to make Joe and Sarah together would be comedy gold.
Just tell her you don’t want Joe involved in your life especially if it meant your sister dating him.
We’ve spent too many days away from Becky and Dina. They’ve got to be two-knuckles-deep by now.
By now Dina might have removed Becky’s shoes and maybe even her socks.
I admire Sarah’s patience. Liz is REALLY annoying here. But it’s sweet she tells her she loves her ♡.
My hypothesis on the feud between younger and older siblings is that older siblings used to have all the attention and now there’s this small child next to them they want to punch but then they get grounded if they do so.
Signed, a younger sibling with an outrageously stupid and volatile older sibling.
See, the trick is to be born about a decade and a half later so the sibling is too old to care/probably appreciates having the attention brought off them, any aggressive action from them is wildly inappropriate (unless they’re yelling at you for something stupid bc they’re basically half a parent) and you both effectively get raised as only children, unable to actually interact as siblings until you reach adulthood
….yeah i didn’t actually start feeling like i had a brother until i was like, 15
I feel like I woulda been better off tbh
You kinda start getting frigid on the idea of sibling bonds when you feel like they’re supposed to be important.
Or, you can do it like my sister (2-year-difference) and I and become united against one horrible, controlling (and now much better, because less present) parent.
But honestly, I think it comes a little bit down to personality (I’m more of a mediator, my sister was aggressive because of learnt behaviour) and how your parents treat you equally (or not).
I grew up sharing a room with my sister and there were days we wanted to kill each other, but we more or less got along (mostly because we fought so much with my mother, so we kids didn’t have much energy left to want to take our feelings out on one another. Only when I was being a slob).
My sister fought for being able to go out as a teenager, being allowed to drink (we’re located in Europe, you can drink alcohol once you’ve turned 16), staying overnight at friends’ places and stuff like that.
And I never wanted to do that, so there never were any frustrations with me being allowed to do stuff she wasn’t allowed to do at my younger age, and thus no “The younger child is getting pampered”-kind of stuff. She had to fight more, yes, but also because I absolutely despise being screamed at, and I only ever screamed at my mother in fights, because I was reflecting her fighting behaviour – I didn’t know any better.
What I’m trying to say: It comes down to personalities and talents and how the parents deal with those. If one older child is some kind of genius, I’m guessing a younger sibling won’t have such a good life always being compared to the other. (applies the other way round as well, of course)
For me it was a small child picking on me, but getting in trouble if I used my size as an advantage.
This older sibling has always been the quiet, boring, mostly responsible one. My two youngers are the ones who got up to all the mischief. I just stayed in my room and puttered with my hobbies (reading and model building, mostly).
you know if Joyce and joe werent meant for either in this strip I think Sarah and joe would be entertaining just like my mid-south hillbilly redneck uncle and my African American aunt from NYC are you never know if they’re gonna kiss or kill each other ……
bleh meant to say each other
All the girlies want (to spite) Joe.
I would love it if these two could have a reasonable discussion about their issues with each other, but sadly I doubt that’s likely to happen.
You don’t tug on Superman’s cape
Back to Ball State you must go
You don’t pull the mask off that ol’ Lone Ranger
And you don’t mess around with Joe.
Goddamn, Liz, shut up about Joe already. Hate when people can’t just drop it and stop saying the same thing over and over.
Gosh, Liz is SO pretty though ♥
Isn’t she just?
Unholy crap she does!!!
I feel like some people in the comments just don’t care about the difference between protectiveness and control, and are eager to lump Sarah’s behavior into the second category.
But I think statements like, ‘Sarah thinks she knows what’s best’ are unfair. Sarah isn’t being controlling, she’s being protective. She doesn’t want her sister taken advantage of or to see Liz ruin her life over an impulsive decision to flunk out of college.
Could that be seen as Sarah thinking she knows best? I guess – but what’s the alternative? That she watches her sister ruin her life in a series of bad, impulsive decisions that will follow her for years to come? Watch as her sister drops out of college? Watch as she’s potentially arrested for illegally living on another campus? What, is her involvement in Liz’s life to give a piece of advice and then watch it go down in flames when her sister doesn’t listen?
Since when is apathy the way we show each other love?
Since when is apathy the way we show each other love?
Since around the time people started treating human interaction as a purely hypothetical perfect-play scenario in which only the most singularly optimal outcome is remotely permissible, according to rules that were never established and nobody could agree on anyway. I’m sure if Sarah didn’t give a shit and just let Liz do whatever, people would have a problem with that, too. And if she did something in the middle, she’d get called wishy-washy and spineless. Everything is always the endpoint, nothing is ever in progress or beginning, there’s no winning move, everything is an infraction, and every infraction is an irremovable blot upon a person’s soul. Eat at Arby’s.