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September 18, 2023

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by David M Willis on December 26, 2022 at 12:01 am
  • 02 – Turning Saints Into the Sea

└ Tags: booster, ethan

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    December 26, 2022 at 12:05 am | #

    Happy (un)Boxing Day

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      December 26, 2022 at 12:23 am | #

      And if we’re talking other holidays that happen to fall today—for anyone else who celebrated Hannukah this year, hope you had a good one. 🙂

    • Twitcher
      Twitcher
      December 26, 2022 at 7:17 am | #

      I’ve dream casted my favorite webcomics for years, and I think Thomas Vaccaro/Unicorn of War would fit Booster fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8TOA8-T6I4

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      December 26, 2022 at 9:30 am | #

      Boxing day? Who’s fighting?

      • Some Ed
        Some Ed
        December 26, 2022 at 6:56 pm | #

        Historically, it would be those people who want first pick at all the old crap the wealthy had boxed up and put outside for whomever to make off with. Not that they would know what was in the boxes until after they opened it. I mean, if the boxes were even labeled, they’d be labeled based on the new presents they had previously held, not with whatever was discarded into it. So it was really a pig in a poke situation, except it was unlikely to move on its own and you probably wouldn’t need to feed it.

  2. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    December 26, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    I’m Gonna Tell/I’m Gonna Tell/I’m going to tattle and I’m gonna yell…

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      December 26, 2022 at 2:28 pm | #

      The thing most people remember about Mike was the extraordinarily large number of nickels he carried around, it was almost as if he never got paid in any other currency.

  3. The Wellerman
    The Wellerman
    December 26, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    🥲🥲🥲

    It’s a Boxing Day miracle!

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      December 26, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

      *plays “Hanezeve Caradhina” from Made in Abyss OST on hacked muzak*

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      December 26, 2022 at 8:52 am | #

      Just loved this “holiday”. A charitable one; wish I have a day like this over here.

  4. Nono
    Nono
    December 26, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    Flatly, like his hair.

    • True Survivor
      True Survivor
      December 26, 2022 at 12:11 am | #

      Yes, to be fair, Mike’s hair was somehow a 2D object operating in three-dimensional space (and if you count ghost-mike across time itself).

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      December 27, 2022 at 2:33 am | #

      Flatly, like Mike meeting the earth.

  5. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    December 26, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    Meh, we readers knew more about Mike than most of the cast and I for one was not impressed.

    • Bryy
      Bryy
      December 26, 2022 at 12:37 am | #

      Not to shit on the dead, but yeah. We were privy to literally everything Mike did, including his decision to kill himself because he thought that was the only way to repent for his behavior.

      He was not a good person, and I think anything Ethan is about to say here is gonna be bullshit.

      Unfortunately, Booster being who they are….. this is not going to end well.

      • C.T. Phipps
        C.T. Phipps
        December 26, 2022 at 1:21 am | #

        I didn’t think he tried to kill himself. He was just trying to stop Blaine.

        • cbwroses
          cbwroses
          December 26, 2022 at 1:37 am | #

          Yeah. That wasn’t suicide by abusive dad, but I don’t think he had any illusions about how bad a decision that was about to be.
          He just hoped it would be equally bad for both of them.

        • Thag Simmons
          Thag Simmons
          December 26, 2022 at 5:45 am | #

          Stopping someone by tackling someone over a balcony has to be at least adjacent to trying to kill yourself.

        • Mark
          Mark
          December 26, 2022 at 8:09 am | #

          Agreed, I think he paid out his life as the price of doing something he thought was worth it. Maybe it was more than one thing, I dunno, he didn’t say.

        • Azhrei Vep
          Azhrei Vep
          December 26, 2022 at 9:01 am | #

          I’m with CT. Not just because his books are fun, either.

          I believe Mike knew that what he was doing put his life at risk, and he valued his life lowly enough in that moment to consider it a risk worth taking. It’s an important difference, I think.

      • Leorale
        Leorale
        December 26, 2022 at 2:43 am | #

        Mike was indeed a terrible person.
        But he was still special to Ethan, and Ethan needs to talk about him, and that’s okay.

        • Bryy
          Bryy
          December 26, 2022 at 3:04 am | #

          This, too.

      • Pylgrim
        Pylgrim
        December 26, 2022 at 6:40 am | #

        I mean, he’s humouring him so far. He’s given him a prompt to go on about how he is the only one strong and courageous enough to remember Mike/the right way.

        • Nova
          Nova
          December 26, 2022 at 7:54 am | #

          “I mean [they are] humouring him so far. [They have] given him a prompt…”

          Booster’s pronouns are they/them, not he/him. Thanks!

          • Pylgrim
            Pylgrim
            December 26, 2022 at 11:55 pm | #

            Argh my bad!

    • Shade of Blue
      Shade of Blue
      December 26, 2022 at 11:39 am | #

      Given that a lot of people seem ready to forgive Joe for his own (far more close to IRL) douchebaggery, I’m surprised people aren’t really ready to forgive Mike.

      I think Mike is one of the most interesting characters in the strip. We see in flashbacks that at a young age that he prefers to sit in the back and hang out with the loners; he’s an observer and a judge, and deeply aware of institutional corruption and structural imbalance from a young age. We can see in his reaction to Sal and Jason, and the way he confronts Amber’s teacher.

      As an observer and judge I think he sees Amber and Ethan as innocents who deserve better, and ultimately he wants to protect them. He uses his intelligence to try and find solutions to their problems that don’t disrupt their lives overmuch, such as when he blackmails Amber’s father and gets revenge on her teacher.

      With Ethan, he literally offers his body as a safe space for Ethan to explore his sexuality. Based on my personal experience I think this is actually a form of self harm, but I don’t think this is lost on Willis either.

      So although he does have an intensely coarse exterior, I really don’t think it’s worth passing judgment on him as harshly as I’ve seen here. What’s the worst thing he’s really *done*, besides say some nasty things? I think that’s just the tough outer shell of someone who knows that in reality, ugly words barely scratch the surface of real injustice.

      • Sirksome
        Sirksome
        December 26, 2022 at 12:40 pm | #

        Well I can remember that time he emotionally manipulated a high schooler who thought they were real friends into conducting a illicit, online affair with that teacher that was mean to Amber for the crime of being a girl that knows math, before dumping the dude.

        https://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/arrangement/

        Mike used a innocent guy to accomplish his own goals in a way that was creepy and potentially dangerous. This is fucked up and this was Mike. I get liking his character, but he does deserve whatever judgement people feel like giving. It’s okay to enjoy characters that do bad things even while judging them for it.

        • Shade of Blue
          Shade of Blue
          December 26, 2022 at 5:57 pm | #

          Yeah, you’re definitely right that his methods are shady. As I said, I think even the way he wants to protect Ethan is shady and self-destructive. I definitely spoke too soon asking what bad he’s really done.

          Let’s not forget though that the teacher also assaulted Mike (a child at the time) directly after he confronted her. And as far as using that kid goes, he doesn’t exactly seem thrilled about his actions afterword. In the next comic you can see that he’s obviously conflicted.

          But ultimately because Mike is dead now, we’ll never know if he had any potential to change his behavior, if he would get better or worse.

        • Tan
          Tan
          December 26, 2022 at 6:34 pm | #

          The implication there is definitely not that he thought they were ‘friends’, at least not without tacking on ‘with benefits’

          (this makes it worse)

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 26, 2022 at 2:42 pm | #

        I’m a pretty big critic of Joe, but I’m absolutely willing to forgive him (in addition to pointing that he really did need forgiveness, which a lot of people seem to forget. Joe’s trying to change. That’s important.

        Mike did have a realization of how messed up his actions were in his last moments, but he died so he never got the chance to try to change.

    • cain
      cain
      December 26, 2022 at 2:32 pm | #

      No matter how shitty somebody was, there are still people who will feel genuine loss when they are gone. Ethan knew Mike for his whole life and understood some of his better points. It makes sense that he would grieve. It also makes sense that he’s upset the others don’t seem to care.

      • Tan
        Tan
        December 26, 2022 at 6:53 pm | #

        They met in high school.

  6. Steve
    Steve
    December 26, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    Would you like to tell me more about how he slept with your mom for a nickel?

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      December 26, 2022 at 12:11 am | #

      Nah, Booster has already seen Amber’s Ao3 page. “Mike X Booster’s Mom” is currently on its 17th chapter.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      December 26, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

      He united all people by giving us some common ground. Regardless of age, race, gender or sexual orientation, Mike somehow managed to sleep with all of their mothers. HE really brought us together.

    • Risky
      Risky
      December 26, 2022 at 1:35 am | #

      I’m still waiting for the reveal that Dina experimented on him before he died.

  7. Beau Kirin Maysey
    Beau Kirin Maysey
    December 26, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    I guess I mostly just wish that if Booster was gonna psychoanalyze everyone, he would just kinda be open and upfront that he’s about to do it :/

    But this is, admittedly, kinda sweet

    • Sirksome
      Sirksome
      December 26, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

      Booster’s they/them. We all trying to remember that as best we can. Respect.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      December 26, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

      They/them, not he.

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      December 26, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

      They, not He.

      But yeah, I think they are at least kind of being upfront with Ethan instead of the shit they pulled with Amber, which makes me think they might have at least internalized why that went poorly.

      Walky and Lucy don’t seem to mind Booster much, but neither are characters known to be terribly unapproachable, so it probably takes a lot to hit a brick wall with those two.

      • Switchchris
        Switchchris
        December 26, 2022 at 1:21 am | #

        Im not so sure that Walky can be offended by somebody telling him how it is, he understands that he is a Manchild and has fully accepted thats how he is gonna be for the rest of his life, the only time he seems to falter is when something pops up that might get in the way of that, like his grades falling.
        Lucy just seems to have put herself behind so many walls that she fails to see anything that isnt already put as truth in her mind. Everything is Positive all the time in some way, to the point that she ignores anything close to a Red Flag. Booster would just try to tell her that she is wrong, she would say she isn’t wrong and then go about her day as if nothing happened.

    • Nova
      Nova
      December 26, 2022 at 7:56 am | #

      “…I wish that if Booster was going to psychoanalyze everyone, [they] would just be open and upfront that [they are] about to do it.”

    • Beau Kirin Maysey
      Beau Kirin Maysey
      January 6, 2023 at 12:37 pm | #

      they/Them, apologies

  8. BBCC
    BBCC
    December 26, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

    This is a really really sweet way for Booster to handle it. I like how this is going so far.

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      December 26, 2022 at 7:55 am | #

      Agreed, I’m crossing fingers they keep it up.

    • Mark
      Mark
      December 26, 2022 at 8:16 am | #

      So maybe Booster does have the makings of a therapist or counselor. Once the brashness is ground down a bit.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      December 26, 2022 at 9:41 am | #

      I just hope there isn’t another shoe to drop.

      Genuinely. Ethan needs more friends, and a support network beyond Amber (who’s barely holding it together herself).

      • Nono
        Nono
        December 26, 2022 at 12:49 pm | #

        He had Danny but then there was the whole hospital fiasco which Danny still hasn’t apologized about…

  9. Username Taken
    Username Taken
    December 26, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

    Mike was a big ol’ fucko, but we made excuses for him because some of us remembered him from Shortpacked and he was less real there and more whimsically antagonistic. Oh whoops, 4th wall break.

    Anyway, Booster took a lil, but I love them as much as the rest of the cast. Well played, Willis.

    • Blume
      Blume
      December 26, 2022 at 12:16 am | #

      I don’t know Shortpacked, so all I saw was DoA’s version… And yes, he was just… Mike. I did not enjoy him because we only really got to know him when he was nearing his end. Very sad.

      • Risky
        Risky
        December 26, 2022 at 1:32 am | #

        I remember semme Mike and he died fighting the martians, a real hero and not a bad guy overall when drunk. Not everyone has the fortitude to take that trip now, though. If you do, make sure to squint at every page, every gust of wind, and every magazine rack. That’s a slight spoiler but it will probably avail you not.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      December 26, 2022 at 12:20 am | #

      I feel like Dumbing of Age felt a lot sillier in the early parts so Mike still worked pretty well. I think Dumbing of age had sort of an unofficial drama tag pull where the world started to take itself a little more seriously. Which can make a reread a bit awkward.

      • BowlerHatGuy
        BowlerHatGuy
        December 26, 2022 at 10:08 am | #

        “Dumbing of Age felt a lot sillier in the early parts”

        The part where ambers dad put on a super villian costume? The whole kidnapping, murder, extortion, murder thing was a weird phase to read through. It was like, these are real kids, going through real problems, dealing with them in fairly real ways, to, oh, no, this is a superhero story where people jump from moving vans and walk away as things explode behind them and everyone is made of flubber.

        And then at the halloween party, Walky made clear he was struggling with Mikes death, and it got real again.

    • Freezer
      Freezer
      December 26, 2022 at 1:31 am | #

      Mike was a fucko. But he was also a fucko who would take a bullet (or this case, thrown himself off a flight of stairs) for his friends (DoA and Walkyverse versions).

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      December 26, 2022 at 1:56 am | #

      Mike was better in Shortpacked, because that world was a lot more silly and his actions didn’t have the consequences they have in a more realistic world. And most of the targets of his asshole behavior in Shortpacked were annoying dumb customers at a store.

      • JBento
        JBento
        December 26, 2022 at 5:56 am | #

        See also: Robin.

    • Ike
      Ike
      December 26, 2022 at 8:56 pm | #

      I never read Shortpacked (or any of the Walkyverse) and I liked Mike.

    • Hrodvitnir
      Hrodvitnir
      December 26, 2022 at 10:40 pm | #

      I never read shortpacked, and I could never decide how I felt about Mike. I feel like most of these characters strike a good balance of cartoonishness to realness, but Mike’s worst behaviours were… really bad. And I could just never settle on an opinion on him, even a nuanced one vs the overly black and white takes I often see on here.

  10. Lieutenant Dan
    Lieutenant Dan
    December 26, 2022 at 12:11 am | #

    I remember Mike flatly, but I think he was a dancer.

    • Mark
      Mark
      December 26, 2022 at 8:35 am | #

      I saw what you did there.

  11. Mikey
    Mikey
    December 26, 2022 at 12:13 am | #

    This is a general reminder that Booster uses “they” and not “he”.

    • StClair
      StClair
      December 26, 2022 at 1:22 am | #

      *looks up*
      too late.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      December 26, 2022 at 3:28 am | #

      Yeah but if I take my fingers and go like this 🤏, it’ll cover the T and Y, so “they” will look like “he”. I just have to keep that up forever and I’ll be able to justify anything I say.

      • Nova
        Nova
        December 26, 2022 at 8:02 am | #

        Really not sure why everyone struggles so hard with this, but here it is on EVERY FUCKIN PAGE with Booster in it.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          December 26, 2022 at 9:43 am | #

          It’s easy when you comment before reading anybody else’s comments.

  12. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    December 26, 2022 at 12:14 am | #

    I wonder if Walky has any feelings about Mike. I know he didn’t know him long but they were roommates and despite Mike treating him like shit Walky never really seemed to hate him.

    • Nerrin
      Nerrin
      December 26, 2022 at 12:18 am | #

      There was something during the Halloween flashback where he said something really crass about Mike’s death but his follow-up when confronted on it amounted to, “Jesus Christ, I desperately need to not think about that for one night,” so it definitely hit him.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        December 26, 2022 at 12:22 am | #

        I think that was more Walky trying to avoid even mentioning that Mike had died.

        • Nerrin
          Nerrin
          December 26, 2022 at 12:28 am | #

          He was still basically doing it to cope, being shitty about a moment of silence for Mike because he had enough silence alone in his room as it was.

      • Bryy
        Bryy
        December 26, 2022 at 12:39 am | #

        That was when he got punched for it.

        His follow-up was to try to force people to like his shitty joke.

        • Nerrin
          Nerrin
          December 26, 2022 at 1:15 am | #

          You’re attributing a lot more guile to Walky than I feel he ever shows. Yes, even the very shallow amount that would require.

          • Bryy
            Bryy
            December 26, 2022 at 3:06 am | #

            This reaction was to tell people “no, you’re all wrong, Mike’s not dead”, and then got mad at them when they GOT UPSET.

            • BowlerHatGuy
              BowlerHatGuy
              December 26, 2022 at 10:16 am | #

              Dorothy calling for a moment of silence at a party was pretty shitty as well. She acts like a robot a lot. She said she sees a therapist on a regular basis at one point, but she cluelessly ripped open a fresh wound in a room full of people, and she had no skills to manage the almost guaranteed fuckuppery that it would, and did, generate.

              Everyone is struggling to cope with so much stuff, including Dorothy, but Dorothy of all people should have known better than to do what she did.

              • Joy
                Joy
                December 26, 2022 at 11:37 am | #

                Gotcha, fake Dali lama quote guy.

                • Bruh
                  Bruh
                  December 26, 2022 at 11:04 pm | #

                  The amount of pettiness this comment section holds onto is truly grand sometimes.

                • Joy
                  Joy
                  December 26, 2022 at 11:46 pm | #

                  Bruh, it was actually really hurtful and distressing of him. I’m still not over it. If I act like it’s funny, I’m not going to get as angry about that having happened.

            • Nerrin
              Nerrin
              December 26, 2022 at 2:55 pm | #

              People do grief in different ways. Some of them are fucked up. Walky has retreated from everything remotely emotionally difficult with, usually, wildly inappropriate commentary meant to be joking but which also justifiably doesn’t land. Like do you think I’m trying to absolve him of it being a shitty thing? I already called it crass and shitty. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t still affected by Mike’s death.

            • justin8448
              justin8448
              December 26, 2022 at 3:42 pm | #

              My read is that Walky wasn’t mad specifically because everyone was upset at his joke.

              He was already mad generally at the fact of his former roommate’s death, very specifically mad at Dorothy for making a big show of bringing it up at this party, subconsciously mad that no one else seemed to understand this, and lacked any other tools for expressing his anger other than making a horrible joke.

              I don’t think he planned on getting punched in the face over it. But I get the sense that he considered it an absolutely acceptable outcome. It was probably cathartic, compared to all the other pain he’s experiencing.

    • Sirksome
      Sirksome
      December 26, 2022 at 12:21 am | #

      I think it’s a situation where you just become accustomed to people. It’s natural to find familiarity even in something you might find abrasive. Walky probably misses Mike because he was there.

    • cbwroses
      cbwroses
      December 26, 2022 at 1:32 am | #

      Nah, Walky never hated him.

      For his part, almost all of Walky’s relationships have some varying degree of antagonistic feel to them be it the teasing of Sal, the back and forth with Jennifer, or the frenemies with Joyce;
      the only people he hangs around with a lot who we don’t see treat him that way are the women he’s been involved with, and that’s only been 3 women over about 5 months.

      And when he met Mike, he hadn’t seen or talked to Sal for 5 years and had been basically bullied or ignored by Jennifer for most of if not all of high school, so about 4 years.
      So he was probably happy to have someone his own age to be around more often (he doesn’t seem to have had many friends growing up).
      He was basically almost as “close” to Mike as he is to Joyce, close in “” because of the antagonistic relationship he has with both and almost because Walky never seemed to try to mouth off to Mike like he does to pretty much everyone else.
      And it’s not because he was scared because we’ve seen him scared of Ruth and that wasn’t the same vibe; that just wasn’t their dynamic for some reason.

      For Mike’s part, the role that he thought he played, one of being the asshole to make people realize stuff about themselves/make things better for them in the long run has been the closest to accurate with Walky as him visiting their Gender Studies class led Dorothy to be open about messing with Walky, and he bought Walky his beloved pajama jeans which led to Walky and Dorothy’s first breakup and first make up. Plus he was an extra fly in Walky’s ear about Math simply from sharing the same room and the occasional word.

      • Mark
        Mark
        December 26, 2022 at 8:28 am | #

        Mike was unpleasant to everyone, but I think he simply accepted Walky for who he is, which I don’t see from anyone else. That may have been quite attractive to Walky.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 26, 2022 at 9:48 am | #

        Mike abused Walky more than anyone else, except possibly Ethan and Amber. Mostly due to proximity. Mike didn’t accept him or help him with his abuse – other than by complete accident.

        Walky was really messed up by his death. He tells Booster at one point that he’s still checking the closets for fear Mike’s going to spring out to surprise him.

        • Schpoonman
          Schpoonman
          December 26, 2022 at 11:12 am | #

          Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on literally every claim of “Mike was a helper!” He was a terrible abuser who maybe once in the entire comic’s run actually helped someone, and I’ll be dead before I let anyone think he ever helped Walky.

          • Joy
            Joy
            December 26, 2022 at 11:38 am | #

            I agree.

          • Nono
            Nono
            December 26, 2022 at 12:51 pm | #

            He DID order for him pajama jeans and got him to go to class a few times.

            That said, he also definitely abused Walky.

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              December 26, 2022 at 2:28 pm | #

              The intent of the pajama jeans was to hurt him by getting Dorothy to dump him.

              • cbwroses
                cbwroses
                December 27, 2022 at 12:58 am | #

                Not that anyone will see this (or that I’ll see any reply if they do), but I did say the role Mike THOUGHT he played was the CLOSEST to accurate with Walky.
                I didn’t say he was correct in that thought.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      December 26, 2022 at 5:51 am | #

      Walky never really liked Mike, but I think it’s pretty clear that he has not taken his death particularly well.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 26, 2022 at 9:57 am | #

        A roommate dying will mess anyone up. In Walky’s case it’s probably complicated by relief that Mike’s not around to mess with him anymore. He doesn’t have to be afraid every time he comes home or goes to sleep anymore. OTOH, he’s got to be guilty about that, since it’s because Mike’s dead, especially since he died saving Amber.

  13. Cattleprod
    Cattleprod
    December 26, 2022 at 12:18 am | #

    The first time I met Mike, he asked me if he should have a hairstyle that can’t exist in three dimensions. I said “No! How would you do that? How would that even work?”

  14. deathjavu
    deathjavu
    December 26, 2022 at 12:23 am | #

    Yeah, no one else is as deluded about how Mike was as Ethan is. Must have been the sexin.

    • Kyrik Michalowski
      Kyrik Michalowski
      December 26, 2022 at 12:26 am | #

      You would be surprised at what people will overlook or simply bite their tongue over in exchange for good sex.

      • Nono
        Nono
        December 26, 2022 at 12:41 am | #

        Sometimes biting the tongue is part of the good sex.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      December 26, 2022 at 9:49 am | #

      Not the sexin. He was deluded long before. I’d say it was the years of abuse. Mike had his hooks deep into Ethan.

  15. Suet
    Suet
    December 26, 2022 at 12:32 am | #

    Silly Ethan, only Amber remembers him flatly

  16. anon
    anon
    December 26, 2022 at 12:33 am | #

    feels like amber should be here too or also have a separate convo with booster about mike later

    • Bryy
      Bryy
      December 26, 2022 at 12:41 am | #

      I feel like that’s coming. Booster’ll relay information to Amber, and she’ll be all “uh Ethan?” and Ethan’ll be all “DANNY SAID THIS”.

    • Seralyna
      Seralyna
      December 26, 2022 at 4:30 am | #

      I mean i don’t really think it matters that much if someone gets the wrong impression that a dead kid is slightly nicer than he actually was

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 26, 2022 at 9:59 am | #

        I don’t think it matters if Booster gets the wrong impression, but Ethan and Amber are going to have to grapple with the abuse at some point.

      • Schpoonman
        Schpoonman
        December 26, 2022 at 11:10 am | #

        I suppose hearing about a monster in a false light is a lot less damaging than when the abuser is still alive and you get forced into contact with them without warning.

    • BowlerHatGuy
      BowlerHatGuy
      December 26, 2022 at 10:21 am | #

      Amber had/has a split personality, blackouts, does stuff as one identity that the other doesnt know about., suicidal tendencies, low self esteem, and more.

      Amber doesnt need booster. Amber needs professional help on multiple levels.

      • Yumi
        Yumi
        December 26, 2022 at 1:04 pm | #

        Pretty sure that’s not what anon was talking about, but to address your separate point– needing professional help and needing friends are not mutually exclusive.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          December 26, 2022 at 4:02 pm | #

          Yeah, but that poster seems to think mentally [anything] people shouldn’t have friends in the first place. Presumably something something burden something something.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        December 26, 2022 at 3:37 pm | #

        ¿Por qué no los dos?

      • David M Willis
        David M Willis
        December 26, 2022 at 5:24 pm | #

        yay it’s the “mentally ill folks don’t deserve love” guy saying more of that

        i’m putting you in the blacklist

        • The Wellerman
          The Wellerman
          December 26, 2022 at 7:16 pm | #

          Thank you!!! Merry Boxing Day, Willis!!!

        • Joy
          Joy
          December 26, 2022 at 11:41 pm | #

          It’s the end of the dumbing of age comments section fake Dali Lama quote guy era. :O

  17. Raja
    Raja
    December 26, 2022 at 12:49 am | #

    this is really sweet tbh made me smile

    • Twig
      Twig
      December 26, 2022 at 2:11 am | #

      Same <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

  18. C.T. Phipps
    C.T. Phipps
    December 26, 2022 at 1:20 am | #

    ETHAN killed Mike!

    DUN DUN DUN!

    • Bryy
      Bryy
      December 26, 2022 at 3:07 am | #

      oh god we’re gonna get a flashback to exactly when mike died, aren’t we?

      • vulcanodon
        vulcanodon
        December 26, 2022 at 8:35 am | #

        Pearls on the alley pavement and everything

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        December 26, 2022 at 10:22 am | #

        An entire strip of just his EKG gradually flatlining.

        With one last pulse that looks like a hand flipping the bird.

        • Schpoonman
          Schpoonman
          December 26, 2022 at 10:58 am | #

          Gonna count the panels down like it’s a New Years’ ball drop. I’ll even get someone to edit a party hat on Joyce in my Gravatar and everything.

        • Opus the Poet
          Opus the Poet
          December 26, 2022 at 2:46 pm | #

          Not gonna lie, that would be Mike all over, and funny as well.

          • C.T. Phipps
            C.T. Phipps
            December 26, 2022 at 5:32 pm | #

            Mike: Ethan…

            Ethan: Mike! You’re awake!

            Mike: Yeah, to make you feel guilty.

            Ethan: Wait, what?

            *Mike wills himself to die*

  19. Reed
    Reed
    December 26, 2022 at 1:35 am | #

    well no one else was having sex with him either so let’s not polish his grave too much.

    (although actually idk who mike was sleeping with, someone who’s on top of the slipshines lmk)

    • GeekyWarrior
      GeekyWarrior
      December 26, 2022 at 1:05 pm | #

      We know Mike hooked up with Eric earlier on. By the context it seems like Mike was casually fooling around with people when he felt like it.

      https://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/03-the-thing-i-was-before/needs-2/

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 26, 2022 at 2:45 pm | #

        By the context, he’d agreed to not do his Mike things to Danny, so he went on with a plan to seduce Ethan to make Danny jealous instead. Hooking up with Eric, and being seen doing so by Ethan, was part of that plan.

        To be fair, that plan messed with Mike as well. He wasn’t completely impervious to feelings about Ethan, but he was committed to his sctick.

  20. Keulen
    Keulen
    December 26, 2022 at 1:37 am | #

    Considering that Mike was a jerk to pretty much everyone except Ethan and possibly Amber, is it really any surprise that most people remember Mike the way he treated them?

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      December 26, 2022 at 10:00 am | #

      I’d say that’s really “pretty much everyone, especially Ethan and Amber”.

  21. Florence
    Florence
    December 26, 2022 at 2:25 am | #

    Regardless of how Mike actually was, this is good

    It’s healthy to be able to say and feel what your feeling without judgment

    Also yay Booster did good

  22. anonymsly
    anonymsly
    December 26, 2022 at 2:41 am | #

    Ethan’s not wrong that most people remember Mike ‘flatly’ – as an asshole, noth8ng else.that’s how he presented. Ethan got somewhat more than that, he got to see a whole person who was, yes, mostly an asshole but not entirely.

    It must be very lonely for Ethan, really – he’s mourning someone who, while real, only existed for him. If he tries to tell other people ‘no, THIS person, I miss THIS’ they just think he’s romanticizing or wearing rose-colored-glasses and, I imagine, stop listening to a greater or lesser extent. And the only other person who did get to see nuanced-Mike is Amber, but he can’t talk to Amber because she swings between trying to appropriate his grief and use it to self-flagellate or making the conversation about her needs/wants; there’s no support to be had from Amber.

    Booster represents someone who never knew Mike at all, but immediately indicates both that they understand Ethan had a personalized Mike and they’d like to hear about that. It must feel phenomenal, no wonder he smiles: someone actually listening.

    • poofdepoof
      poofdepoof
      December 26, 2022 at 7:51 am | #

      Well said

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      December 26, 2022 at 10:05 am | #

      When did Ethan get to see nuanced Mike?

      It’ll be interesting to see what Ethan has to say about Mike. Maybe he’s got some bits we didn’t see or that I’ve forgotten.

      • Joy
        Joy
        December 26, 2022 at 12:47 pm | #

        Middle school and high school

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          December 26, 2022 at 2:36 pm | #

          All that time and he was maybe 50% sure they were friends.
          Amber had basically cut him off by the time college started. She tolerated him for Ethan’s sake, but otherwise never sought him out or willingly interacted with him. By that time, as we found out later, he’d spent years “poking Amber’s bear” to turn her into a time-bomb to use against Blaine.

    • Boobery
      Boobery
      December 26, 2022 at 11:41 am | #

      Absolutely. Ethan knew him since they were kids and also weirdly don’t have the goldfish memory everyone else (comments not characters) where he did have other moments? Like, it’s absolutely fine not to like him and not to pretend he was a lovely person after he passed, but he clearly had layers. Just had to really peel back the onion.

    • anon
      anon
      December 26, 2022 at 8:18 pm | #

      i mean his (mike’s) parents def loved him, tho awkwardness aside i dk if there’s much of a chance for ethan to visit them and talk about it

  23. Taffy
    Taffy
    December 26, 2022 at 3:24 am | #

    Booster, what evil schemes are you up to? What horrible plot have you begun to concoct? What nightmarish hazards will you visit upon dear, precious, sweet little Ethan, whose only crime is being slightly moody?

    Truly, they are the incarnation of malice and hatred, this Booster before us.

    • BowlerHatGuy
      BowlerHatGuy
      December 26, 2022 at 9:25 am | #

      This might be the first actually healthy conversation two characters on doa have had on screen about some deep underlying psychological issue that needs addressing.

      But after 10 years of comics where many of the characters are walking around clearly advertising deep psychological issues without any character actually addressing thos problems, having Booster straight up ask Ethan to talk about it might be a bit jarring.

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        December 26, 2022 at 12:35 pm | #

        Jarring for someone with a ghoulishly pessimistic view of the story, perhaps. Personally, Ruth isn’t part of this particular plot thread, so I’m not all that invested, even if it’s pretty neat.

  24. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    December 26, 2022 at 3:32 am | #

    It’s not lip service, I’m sure Booster would like to actually know more about the dead dude they keep being named after, and Walky certainly wouldn’t be the person to ask about it in any depth

  25. Wereg
    Wereg
    December 26, 2022 at 3:48 am | #

    As much as I’ll dunk on Booster, it’s really nice to see them just be there for Ethan here. It doesn’t seem like he’s had an unbiased person to talk about Mike to.

    I hope their friendship goes well.

  26. Sombrero
    Sombrero
    December 26, 2022 at 4:21 am | #

    Good. I hope by 2025 the consequences of Mike’s death will be over and DoA will move well past him. Then, at some point in the future, when absolutely nobody mentions that old character Mike in the comments, Willis will decide that it’s time to merge universes or to insert some zaniness in DoA, and he will be resurrected/come out from his disguise persona to annoy us.

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      December 26, 2022 at 2:55 pm | #

      At some point the Feds will bust the entirety of the Mob Blaine was laundering money for, and Mike will come out of Witness Protection and back to his friends.

      • Icalasari
        Icalasari
        December 26, 2022 at 11:21 pm | #

        And in the biggest twist of all, it ends up that Amber was Mike this entire time

        He’s just THAT good

  27. Icalasari
    Icalasari
    December 26, 2022 at 4:24 am | #

    Now I’m starting to see Booster as more of a rounded character. And yay, somebody figured out how to break Ethan’s shell!

  28. codycola
    codycola
    December 26, 2022 at 4:35 am | #

    booster? doing something nice and good??

    • Council
      Council
      December 26, 2022 at 6:37 am | #

      You can always him trying to do good in spirit…with the added benefit of diving elbow deep into someone’s mind and taking a good rummage around to see what interesting stuff he can find inside.
      His problem isn’t a lack of good impulses. It’s combining those two objectives without asking for permission first.

      On the other hand, he must realize he is toeing a line too delicate when it comes to Ethan to risk doing stuff like that, so I wouldn’t call this Improvement. It’s the same thing with better optics.

      • Council
        Council
        December 26, 2022 at 6:37 am | #

        Ugh. They/them*

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      December 26, 2022 at 2:56 pm | #

      Yes. they are Chaotic Good, but still of a good alignment.

  29. JBento
    JBento
    December 26, 2022 at 5:59 am | #

    They remember him flatly because that’s how he looked like after hitting that pavement. Splat.

    • Council
      Council
      December 26, 2022 at 6:22 am | #

      I’d scrape him off. For a nickel.

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      December 26, 2022 at 8:56 am | #

      It’s good today is already AFTER Christmas.

      • JBento
        JBento
        December 26, 2022 at 4:15 pm | #

        But it’s before NEXT Christmas. Gotta start building my position early if I want to place high in the rankings. Gimme that coal!

        • Icalasari
          Icalasari
          December 26, 2022 at 11:22 pm | #

          Santa stopped giving naughty people coal. These days, he gives NFTs

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      December 26, 2022 at 10:55 am | #

      Damn, beat me to it.

  30. Hazel
    Hazel
    December 26, 2022 at 6:32 am | #

    I continue to like Booster, despite everything. I think this shows that they and Ethan have real potential for friend chemistry. And also that all the psycho-babble has some actual goodwill motivating it, under the layers of obfuscation, avoidance, and smug intellectualism.

    Or perhaps, as a smug, avoidant intellectual, I am merely projecting.

    • poofdepoof
      poofdepoof
      December 26, 2022 at 7:49 am | #

      This is my favorite thing they’ve done so far!

  31. Stephen Nedland
    Stephen Nedland
    December 26, 2022 at 7:26 am | #

    Ethan is about to discover that he did not lose very much, other than a toxic cancer. “Dumbing of Age”, Mike, was insufferably toxic, and no one should have had to put up with him; sorry, not sorry.

  32. motorfirebox
    motorfirebox
    December 26, 2022 at 8:31 am | #

    Booster rips off his mask to reveal… Historical Jesus!

    • spriteless aunty
      spriteless aunty
      December 26, 2022 at 11:55 am | #

      Ahh, Booster could hope to be so supportive.

    • Nova
      Nova
      December 26, 2022 at 11:55 am | #

      “Booster rips of [their] mask to reveal…”

      Booster’s pronouns are they/them not he/him. Thanks!

  33. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    December 26, 2022 at 8:35 am | #

    Booster is good, they managed to make Ethan smile, HOORAY! Maybe Ethan will be the first real client/patient in Booster’s life, they’re looking at him after a request from Amber, probably no one has ever asked him to before. Let’s hope everything goes well. I think Booster is good, but they lacks experience. Ethan might resent if they actually tells him what they thinks of Mike based on the gathered informations.

  34. BowlerHatGuy
    BowlerHatGuy
    December 26, 2022 at 9:16 am | #

    Asking someone their experience or memory of a person or an event lets them tell THEIR truth about it. Not THE truth. Other people can experience Mike as nothing but an asshole, and thats fine too.

    I would assume Booster knows this and knows its about getting Ethan to open up so he can grieve mike and move on. Maybe then ethan might open up about being in then out then in then back out of the closet?

    Either way, this may be the first time two characters actually deal with some underlying psychological bullshit onscreen on doa, so I guess thats progress.

    Its been all sorts of “we dont talk about Bruno” here. It will be interesting if all the other characters that are clearly suffering from depression, anxiety, etc, start having sillmilar conversations about their internal states, cause a lot of characters have been stuck in the same place for ten years of comics.

  35. RedComet
    RedComet
    December 26, 2022 at 10:46 am | #

    Wow, Amber knocked it out of the park.

    Everything Is Therapy Analysis Including Friendship person becoming friends with Desperately Needs A Therapist and Friendship guy.

    • Hof1991
      Hof1991
      December 26, 2022 at 12:43 pm | #

      And Amber also aimed Joyce at Joe. She is the writer for these episodes.

  36. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    December 26, 2022 at 10:50 am | #

    You know, Ethan, if Mike hadn’t been such a shrieking piece of shit until two strips before his effective character death maybe other people wouldn’t have seen him flatly.

    Or you’re just horny and not dealing well with it. He was about as flat as his hair (and himself after hitting the ground).

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      December 26, 2022 at 2:38 pm | #

      More I think that Ethan is a long term abuse victim who Mike had made dependent on him.

      • Joy
        Joy
        December 26, 2022 at 11:38 pm | #

        That’s… Interesting. I would consider that a valid interpretation, and I’m not sure yet whether or not I agree with it. He abused Walky, so we have established him as an abuser, I think? In any case I still think that it’s going to be good for Ethan to talk about Mike in a positive way. And it’s okay to have positive feelings toward your abusers without it invalidating anything!

        Ethan is so cute this strip. :3

  37. Ethan
    Ethan
    December 26, 2022 at 11:08 am | #

    … Huh.

    That was actually really considerate and helpful.

    Thumbs up, Booster!

  38. Dsr667
    Dsr667
    December 26, 2022 at 12:33 pm | #

    Yeah that amber girl sure did remember him very flatly, as in rendering.

  39. poyo
    poyo
    December 26, 2022 at 1:20 pm | #

    lol not excited for the eventuality where booster has to break it to ethan that he is definitely romanticizing his memory of mike. they seem to be a smart cookie tho so im sure they’ll find the appropriate time to have that talk, not right now

    • Rabisch
      Rabisch
      December 26, 2022 at 2:16 pm | #

      If Booster were a good psychologist they would not tell him anything and would be able to help Ethan understand that on his own. But unfortunately, as talented as Booster, they are still a young student. I’m afraid they tells him too much and for reaction Ethan will avoid them and withdraw more and more into himself.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 26, 2022 at 2:48 pm | #

        Be interesting if Booster hears Ethan’s stories of Mike and just picks up on it all being manipulative abuse. Not sure how they’d handle that. Suggest actually talking to a professional about it, I’d hope.

  40. Needfuldoer
    Needfuldoer
    December 26, 2022 at 2:15 pm | #

    “It hurts less when you neglect to understand what you’ve lost.”

    Referring to Amber?

  41. cain
    cain
    December 26, 2022 at 2:35 pm | #

    I like Booster a lot. They’d be grating to know in person, but they’re fun to watch, and they’ve opened up a few interesting scenes.

  42. Maddie B
    Maddie B
    December 26, 2022 at 4:26 pm | #

    Glad this seems to be working for Ethan.

  43. elsendor
    elsendor
    December 26, 2022 at 7:11 pm | #

    me too ethan me too

  44. Sporky
    Sporky
    December 26, 2022 at 10:04 pm | #

    I mean he was a flat character for the vast majority of the comic, so

  45. Nicoleandmaggie
    Nicoleandmaggie
    December 26, 2022 at 10:04 pm | #

    I love the subtle expression on Ethan’s face in the last panel.

  46. Grayfinity
    Grayfinity
    December 26, 2022 at 11:19 pm | #

    Helpful and hopeful? This is good!

    …Why do I get the feeling we’re about to jump cu-

  47. Alex
    Alex
    December 27, 2022 at 4:55 pm | #

    I KNEW BOOSTER WAS ACTUALLY GOOD WITH PEOPLE!!

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