I don’t think so. Tony loves “the rule of law,” which is just an idea opposite of the rule of man; that the law should apply to everyone fairly and equally. The university, probably including Tony Sr. especially, makes a lot of money selling bombs but they don’t like that it gives them bad PR, so they silenced a peaceful protest with riot cops. Pissing on the rule of law in order to get
b a lot of poor people bombed. Rather, Tony might have to choose between his principles and his dad.
I agree with you, and I see two outcomes:
1) If his father is complicit with the police raid, Tony may have a downfall with his father, choosing his principles over parental bonds.
2) If his father is like Tony and is not complicit, they both will do everything in their power to right these wrongs.
Strongly agree, although that said, with regards to what Tony is saying in Panel 2, I think a distinction must also be drawn between believing in “the system” and believing in the rule of law as derived from consensus and common principles. What we’re seeing the Trump administration doing in recent weeks re: Venezuela and now Greenland is basically what happens when people simply go “Why should I follow the law at all? Who’s going to stop me?” It would herald a return to the law of the jungle, and it would threaten so much more than civil liberties or even human rights.
hard to tell who ppl are sometimes. although while some first impressions/instincts might be bs but if he was that bad/had signs i think sarah might’ve been more putoff at teh beginning (unless she was still thirsty/frustrated enough to be like “yeah he’s a piece of shit but i don’t mind doing a one night stand/hatef*** with him”) or os
Amazi-Girl is a student. Amazi-Girl initiated force on the property belonging to the school and those protecting the school (riot police), ergo Amazi-Girl is in the wrong regardless of ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND CONTEXT.
Note: I admit to being half joking here, Tony’s response in the panel just—gave me a weird ‘this feels very libertarian’ vibe.
Libertarians are in favor of the rule of law, they just want a lot fewer laws, especially ones that tell them they can’t do things they want to do. Laws that that tell other people what they can’t do are fine.
Libertarians actually tend NOT to be big fans of rule of law, since laws tend to include things like regulations and age of consent that they’re not a fan of.
No no, they’re big fans of laws that oppress minorities, they’re just angry when the law puts obstacles on something they specifically feel entitled to. Like, poisoning the land or women.
In general anything that restricts their ability to use money to control people.
What eventually put me off libertarians in practice was noticing that none of the freedoms from legal restrictions they cared about meant anything if you weren’t at least middle class.
No, that’s more conservatives in general. Libertarians specifically USUALLY have a more consistent ideology than that, albeit one that’s extremely poorly thought out and collapses near-instantly everytime they try to put it into practice.
yeah “libertarian” these days is a pseudo-intellectual label the alt-right uses for keeping white supremacist orientation plausibly deniable
they say they’re for free speech and shit but it’s a lie — leftist ideas are communist and therefore bad, the only reason to ever talk to us is for public mockery and ridicule
but you can interview a eugenicist, but that doesn’t automatically mean you’re endorsing them — “you know just hear them out, nothing should be off limits in the free marketplace of ideas”
it feels “safe” to them because Nazis and Klansmen are Totally Non-Political™ 👀
It’s faster not to, and while some cops might have reasonable comsideration for the people they’re responsible for policing its more reliable to broadly assume they’re not that responsible.
Cops tend to make big messes of things (for their job) and they aren’t expected to clean up after themselves. There’s apparently meant to be some other department or whatever that goes after to take care of things (like repaying people who have their doors kicked down and such) but that doesn’t ALWAYS happened.
Been pondering this and let me provide an example;
There was a shooting at a mall near me and while searching for the shooter, cops cut through security gates of several storefronts. I understand WHY they had to do this, HOWEVER the process of cutting through the gates really fucked with those storefronts, some of which were unable to roll the gates back up to open due to the damage and they had to just roll with the “person sized hole” to make an entrance into their shop. It became an issue for a while because the store owners were reasonably upset and wanted compensation to make their stores… you know, functional again, and local law enforcement basically gave them a big shrug. “We did what we had to do, not our problem, you need to fix it yourself” despite such a thing being estimated at several thousand dollars.
I am unfamiliar with any time ever that anyone was compensated for law enforcement kicking down their door. I mean it could have easily happened, but I never heard of it. I am not a lawyer, but sovereign immunity and suchlike tend to apply. If they are acting in the regular course of their duties, you can go pound sand.
Back when the mall thing happened, the article talking about it pointed out that there’s meant to be a department dedicated towards compensating for damages, however, I think the issue is getting them to actually DO it. Like bureaucratic red tape. The reasoning given in my example above was that “the damage was to a store rather than a house. It’s basically public property, therefore the property itself should fix it, not us.”
While I don’t believe Chloe is evil thanks to Word of God, I absolutely believe the next big villain will be the Dean. The Dean in this version of the school is not only supporting the Bulmeria genocide but also was the one who suck the cops on the students for being against it.
This makes me think of Amber not trusting Walky but instead calculating that his room is safer from his family ties to the dean (would be a cynical but interesting possible interpretation). Don’t think it’s the case, but it’s an option.
Yes, but not at the top, and a big university like this one would have a number of deans. There would also be a President and some kind of board above the deans, and realistically, for something like declaring protests illegal and signing off on police raids on dorms, it would be them making the call and not a dean.
It’s not unusual for there to be a Dean of Students, or similar title, who’d have authority over things like the dorms and student organizations (as opposed to Dean of Arts and Sciences, or Dean of Engineering, who’d be in charge of academic programs).
Deans are pretty important within their area. But for all the talk of Tony’s privilege, a Dean is not in the top 10% that owns everything. Upper middle income to lower high income is more likely. Probably makes less than the president of a mid size company, but far from peanuts.
In Indiana University’s case, there’s the Board of Trustees at the very top, then there’s the President of IU, then there’s the Chancellor of the Bloomington campus, then there’s the Provost, then there’s the deans (note: simplifying things significantly)
Not if the university, which owns the dorms, gives the police permission. A warrant is not needed if permission for entry and search is granted by the owner of the property.
Seriously people the university was being protested, they’re the ones who changed the rules so that the protesters were all trespassing and got the cops to shut down the protest, the university is clearly not on the good side so I don’t understand why nobody else seems to think that the university gave the cops permission to do the search and is assuming they will be pissed about it. I feel like I’m crazy here
The university can’t give the cops permission to search residents’ private rooms. I’m not assuming that the university will be upset about this, but that just means that they’re complicit in the illegal search.
“Everyone” did not make any such assumption, but you appear to have stated the (false) assumption that “everyone” did… I’m not sure why you might assume that, in the face of evidence otherwise. But I could be confused by the way you phrased this “… why everyone assumes the university wasn’t on board with this and granted the cops permission …”. Wasn’t on board with a search? So actually didn’t grant permission? Wasn’t on board with Privacy? So did grant permission? Asuumes the uni granted permission?
Is there a word missing that makes it all clear, as in a typo?
Did you forget the part where they turned an area of the university illegal to be on overnight to justify the police arresting people. He’s the dean. He was part of the decision.
This comic was made like a year ago, yet is all the more relevant since we have a shit ton of wanna be cops going around doing shit without a warrant when they legally have to have one to do anything. ICE isn’t supposed to be able to go after a single person unless they have a warrant to do so, and they be out here attacking everybody who pisses them off or even looks slightly less then Trump’s Preferred shade of White Person.
So they didn’t have a warrant after all. That’s interesting, and likely to annoy a college administration that would otherwise probably be sympathetic to the police. I guess the cops were so embarrassed by Amazi-Girl that they felt like they had to swing their dicks around and rub in everyone’s face that they’re above the law.
Tony’s coming off better today, which I’m glad to see.
I imagine the genocide supporters are more annoyed that they didn’t bring in three people:
1. Amazi Girl
2. The impossible to identify gay LEADERS of the protest (listen, who is more likely to have organized a Pro-Bulmeria protest, an adult Muslim woman who works in administration of the mysterious blonde teenage white girls who clearly possess overwhelming charisma)
Fun fact #1: Universities kinda count as landlords to the students in their dorms.
Fun fact #2: Universties ONLY kinda count as landlords to the students in their dorms. Many tenant rights that exist in a normal tenant/landlord relationship don’t cover student dormitories. The details can vary by jurisdiction and by university.
Fun fact #3: Universities can often perform inspections of dorms, without the sort of advance notice that landlords typically need to give.
Fun fact #4: … which also means that they could invite cops to do the inspections on the university’s behalf. You know, as contractors or something like that.
Fun fact #5: Cops can pay confidential informants for help in their investigations. … not that I’m saying that whatever administrator is in charge of the dorms is getting paid by the cops to allow that inspection. No. not at all. If we said that, the confidential informant wouldn’t be confidential anymore, and that would be a contradiction, so it’s logically impossible to say it.
Fun fact #6: I might not know what the word “fun” actually means.
I can’t speak to what will happen in the comic, but *generally* while campus officials can search without a warrant in the USA, official police cannot. If they tried some sort of workaround like ‘hiring contractors’, that would probably be worse for the university and the police-if someone with resources, such as a dean, took official and legal notice.
Fun fact 3 reminds me that one time when I was a freshman, my dorm had a random fire drill. We had previously been told if we ignored a fire drill or did not exit our dorm during one that we could get in trouble. Cue my ass sleeping through the alarm and only waking up just after the alarm was done ringing. They did inspect the rooms but lucky for me they didn’t inspect very WELL (I went and hid in my closet, they did the most cursory glance over the rooms) but I remember being so scared I was going to be caught and expelled.
It’s quite possible the school isn’t going to do anything about it, unless they get a lot of pressure; my personal guess is that there is someone at the school who acts as the police contact, and so the school likely has warning in advance and can give its (tacit?) approval.
And this is assuming that this was not a university police department, in which case the police would already be tightly integrated with the university itself.
Hmmm so Tony is Lawful good or nuetral. I think I prefer that to him being uncaring of what effect on others as long as he’s not affected. Not great, as I’m chaotic good, but better lol
He stepped up to put a stop to inceleratorPaul’s harassment of Sarah, so it’s safe to say he’s not uncaring. Though it might be the “it’s happening right in front of me” sort of caring.
If he was to be a DnD character, I’d see him as a paladin of Tyr.
Seemingly cold, but fair and just, while being unyielding towards oathbreakers.
So I think he sees the policemen as corrupt and unworthy of their office. I predict that if his father is willingly implicated in this affair, he may choose his principles over his bonds with his father.
It’s definitely *possible* Tony will turn out to be a moderate, or even someone who reps the thin blue line and other such trash. But…*man* we don’t know that yet.
We don’t know:
1. What he thinks happened at the protest
2. What he thinks the police were doing in the dorms
3. Anything at all about his politics-‘I hope they found what they’re looking for’ becomes a very, very different statement depending on what he thinks they were looking for, and why.
‘His father is a dean and he’s a cis white guy, therefore sus’ maybe isn’t quite the progressive position some of y’all appear to think.
As for that ‘probably’, my interpretation is that ‘he will probably look into taking action’ rather than ‘he will probably object to this’. We also know nothing about his relationship with his father, unless I’m misremembering.
I can’t say I agree. ‘What’s happening on the other side of the planet?’ as a state of mind really is something lots and lots and lots of folks can exist in very comfortably.
We really haven’t seen enough of Tony to have much idea of what his views are about the protest, the police, or politics in general. So I’m gonna wait and see on him I guess.
Exactly. So far just about the only political statement one could make about him, I think, would probably be ‘he’s not an anarchist’ based on his ‘without the rule of law’ statement.
Hang on, are you saying readers *shouldn’t* immediately start yelling at each other about how they are literally monsters for how they interpret Tony’s personality and actions based on like 15 minutes of screen time and should instead calmly wait for more information? That’s not the DoA comment section I’ve seen
I assumed his “I hope they found what they were looking for” meant “I hope they didn’t just trash everyone’s stuff and ruin everyone’s day for no reason”. Dude seems like a dude who wants tangible outcomes for things happening (I base this seeming on…vibes)
A lot of people become radicalized when the system hurts them or someone they care about. I’m not even saying Tony is conservative, but he could very well be a liberal who thinks the system is working fine. He’s very young and he might not have had anything to convince him otherwise, especially as he is a rich white guy.
Tony is reacting to this better than I expected. I’m glad he seems to not think that everything the cops do is good, though I’m wondering if we’ll see more of what he thinks about the cops and the protests in later strips, and if his views differ from Sarah enough that could cause problems for their relationship.
He’s the son of a dean, so I suspect he knows his dad must’ve approved this raid and wants to believe he’s acting in everyone’s best interests. The longer he’s around people tangentially connected to the protests and Amazi-Girl, the more cracks will show.
I believe he thinks that cops should only do good, but that this is way beyond what cops should be allowed to do and should be punished for this breach of trust (as well as the one(s) who ordered that police raid).
I’m getting the impression that punching Incelerator was less because he was a villain and more because that was the only thing Tony can control in his life.
Are we getting a character inversion arc, were Raidah begins acting more charitably while being grumpy, at the same time that Sarah starts using her personal relationships to accomplish her own ends?
Will they meet in the middle and bury the hatchet? Will they fully swap roles? Or will they both realize what’s happening and revert to form?
Honestly Tony’s more or less where I was when I was about 19. To be fair I still sorta agree that rules and law ARE important to a society running well. It’s moreso that I’ve accepted that it currently doesn’t? I’m less against the principle and moreso the execution.
“Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.”
I still don’t know where to stand with this Tony fella. I hear “rule of law” and that worries me because rules and laws disproportionately target people that look like me while serving the rich which Tony just so happens to be. Is he just young and naive?
I think it does come from a place of optimism rather than outright authoritarianism, but he probably doesn’t realize how often rules and laws disproportionately target people like his girlfriend. I think this might be a sticking point for them.
“Rule of law” is the concept that NO ONE should be above the law, that laws should be fair and just to everyone following the laws, and that people in power should not be able to abuse the laws for their own benefits.
The “rule of man” is where an entity (king, council, emperor, dictator, and other forms of absolutist government) dictate what is the law and that this entity and their lackeys are above the laws.
So in this case in the comic, policemen searching every rooms for something undefined while leaving a mess and without apparent limits to where they can go is a sign that they are acting under the rule of man (AKA sent by someone powerful and spiteful).
If they were acting under the rule of law, they should have searched a single room or a few designated rooms with a limited warrant from a judge, IF they have a legitimate suspicion of who could be the culprit of the crime they are sent for, and shouldn’t touch other rooms if they didn’t find it in the designated room(s). Perhaps they could ask questions to voluntary students to maybe find clues as to where they should get the next warrant for, but not act until they get the next warrant except under exceptional circumstances.
The rule of law is what we should strive for, but it has been eroded for decades already…
This strip has confirmed something I’ve had brewing in my brain for months, now. The university needs an apocalypse. Something dire needs to happen to every single background extra and unseen-but-assumed student and faculty member at IU, resulting in their mass deaths or disappearances. Only the main cast and their friends should still be around, for at least one in-story month. It’s the only way to prevent The Incident®.
Cops can generally excuse most actions if they are in lukewarm pursuit of a fugitive believed to be severely injured. That precedent should be more than enough coverage for their asses, especially if they worst they did was peek in a few rooms and ransack the rest. It’s too real. Makes me sick. rip Floyd and Good.
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Oh boy, Tony is going to end up having to choose between the law, and Sarah.
I don’t think so. Tony loves “the rule of law,” which is just an idea opposite of the rule of man; that the law should apply to everyone fairly and equally. The university, probably including Tony Sr. especially, makes a lot of money selling bombs but they don’t like that it gives them bad PR, so they silenced a peaceful protest with riot cops. Pissing on the rule of law in order to get
b a lot of poor people bombed. Rather, Tony might have to choose between his principles and his dad.
Ya, this seems more likea personal dilemma that is actually about Sarah.
I agree with you, and I see two outcomes:
1) If his father is complicit with the police raid, Tony may have a downfall with his father, choosing his principles over parental bonds.
2) If his father is like Tony and is not complicit, they both will do everything in their power to right these wrongs.
wow whoever clocked Tony as a moderate, I’ll say, ya aint far off :0
I mean, it was probably the easiest prediction about him. Most people figured either that or center-right (same dif).
I mean yeah, globally moderates reliably score pretty right-wing
in the united states they *appear* leftist because they want civil liberties
but they believe in the system, and they will never be anti-establishment
Strongly agree, although that said, with regards to what Tony is saying in Panel 2, I think a distinction must also be drawn between believing in “the system” and believing in the rule of law as derived from consensus and common principles. What we’re seeing the Trump administration doing in recent weeks re: Venezuela and now Greenland is basically what happens when people simply go “Why should I follow the law at all? Who’s going to stop me?” It would herald a return to the law of the jungle, and it would threaten so much more than civil liberties or even human rights.
hard to tell who ppl are sometimes. although while some first impressions/instincts might be bs but if he was that bad/had signs i think sarah might’ve been more putoff at teh beginning (unless she was still thirsty/frustrated enough to be like “yeah he’s a piece of shit but i don’t mind doing a one night stand/hatef*** with him”) or os
Most people are so it’s a pretty safe bet statistically
Bingo
Looking into that, but from which direction?
so can we get to work on radicalizing tony now
*checks Bingo card*
Libertarian Tony!?
BINGO!
how is “without rule of law we have nothing” libertarian?
Very slippery slope of Non-Aggression Principle.
Amazi-Girl is a student. Amazi-Girl initiated force on the property belonging to the school and those protecting the school (riot police), ergo Amazi-Girl is in the wrong regardless of ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND CONTEXT.
Note: I admit to being half joking here, Tony’s response in the panel just—gave me a weird ‘this feels very libertarian’ vibe.
Libertarians are in favor of the rule of law, they just want a lot fewer laws, especially ones that tell them they can’t do things they want to do. Laws that that tell other people what they can’t do are fine.
What? I’ve been a libertarian this whole time?
Libertarians actually tend NOT to be big fans of rule of law, since laws tend to include things like regulations and age of consent that they’re not a fan of.
No no, they’re big fans of laws that oppress minorities, they’re just angry when the law puts obstacles on something they specifically feel entitled to. Like, poisoning the land or women.
This guy gets what I’m laying down.
In general anything that restricts their ability to use money to control people.
What eventually put me off libertarians in practice was noticing that none of the freedoms from legal restrictions they cared about meant anything if you weren’t at least middle class.
No, that’s more conservatives in general. Libertarians specifically USUALLY have a more consistent ideology than that, albeit one that’s extremely poorly thought out and collapses near-instantly everytime they try to put it into practice.
yeah “libertarian” these days is a pseudo-intellectual label the alt-right uses for keeping white supremacist orientation plausibly deniable
they say they’re for free speech and shit but it’s a lie — leftist ideas are communist and therefore bad, the only reason to ever talk to us is for public mockery and ridicule
but you can interview a eugenicist, but that doesn’t automatically mean you’re endorsing them — “you know just hear them out, nothing should be off limits in the free marketplace of ideas”
it feels “safe” to them because Nazis and Klansmen are Totally Non-Political™ 👀
That one named cop: “Jesus Christ, that’s a lot of stuffies.”
His partner: “Stuff me, that’s a lot of Jesus Christ.”
Bravo. *slow clap*
Why did they feel the need to trash the rooms when they could have easily looked through stuff without making a mess?
All Cops Are Bastards means all cops are BASTARDS
they’re cops
“Petty spite” would be my guess.
It’s faster not to, and while some cops might have reasonable comsideration for the people they’re responsible for policing its more reliable to broadly assume they’re not that responsible.
Because they believe that due to their position of authority, they can literally do anything.
In a hurry; utterly uncaring about neatness or carefulness.
Pigs, unlike cops, are very clean in their particular way, and gentle and friendly.
There’s precious little overlap.
Pigs are messy like that
Cops tend to make big messes of things (for their job) and they aren’t expected to clean up after themselves. There’s apparently meant to be some other department or whatever that goes after to take care of things (like repaying people who have their doors kicked down and such) but that doesn’t ALWAYS happened.
Been pondering this and let me provide an example;
There was a shooting at a mall near me and while searching for the shooter, cops cut through security gates of several storefronts. I understand WHY they had to do this, HOWEVER the process of cutting through the gates really fucked with those storefronts, some of which were unable to roll the gates back up to open due to the damage and they had to just roll with the “person sized hole” to make an entrance into their shop. It became an issue for a while because the store owners were reasonably upset and wanted compensation to make their stores… you know, functional again, and local law enforcement basically gave them a big shrug. “We did what we had to do, not our problem, you need to fix it yourself” despite such a thing being estimated at several thousand dollars.
I am unfamiliar with any time ever that anyone was compensated for law enforcement kicking down their door. I mean it could have easily happened, but I never heard of it. I am not a lawyer, but sovereign immunity and suchlike tend to apply. If they are acting in the regular course of their duties, you can go pound sand.
Back when the mall thing happened, the article talking about it pointed out that there’s meant to be a department dedicated towards compensating for damages, however, I think the issue is getting them to actually DO it. Like bureaucratic red tape. The reasoning given in my example above was that “the damage was to a store rather than a house. It’s basically public property, therefore the property itself should fix it, not us.”
While I don’t believe Chloe is evil thanks to Word of God, I absolutely believe the next big villain will be the Dean. The Dean in this version of the school is not only supporting the Bulmeria genocide but also was the one who suck the cops on the students for being against it.
Also, pretty sure Walky’s mom used to date him? And we haven’t seen her in a while, would be a fun little surprise.
This makes me think of Amber not trusting Walky but instead calculating that his room is safer from his family ties to the dean (would be a cynical but interesting possible interpretation). Don’t think it’s the case, but it’s an option.
I’m not a USian and am only familiar with the structure of universities from media. Is a dean high in the pecking order?
Yes, but not at the top, and a big university like this one would have a number of deans. There would also be a President and some kind of board above the deans, and realistically, for something like declaring protests illegal and signing off on police raids on dorms, it would be them making the call and not a dean.
True but they always refer to him as THE Dean, so I’m taking Tony’s dad as the University head for simplicity.
But even if he’s not, he’s almost certainly a supporter of it all.
It’s not unusual for there to be a Dean of Students, or similar title, who’d have authority over things like the dorms and student organizations (as opposed to Dean of Arts and Sciences, or Dean of Engineering, who’d be in charge of academic programs).
Deans are pretty important within their area. But for all the talk of Tony’s privilege, a Dean is not in the top 10% that owns everything. Upper middle income to lower high income is more likely. Probably makes less than the president of a mid size company, but far from peanuts.
In Indiana University’s case, there’s the Board of Trustees at the very top, then there’s the President of IU, then there’s the Chancellor of the Bloomington campus, then there’s the Provost, then there’s the deans (note: simplifying things significantly)
Yes. They are the head of their department or an administrative function.
… so, another evil dad.
Suck? What? Do you, perchance, mean “sicced?”
That’s right Tony, follow your heart…
Become Amazi-Tony.
If he turns to the Dark Side he becomes The Toneinator, tone-policing everyone.
I’m not sure why everyone assumes the university wasn’t on board with this and granted the cops permission to search the dorms
Speaking *very* generally, campus officials don’t need a warrant: actual police officers do.
Not if the university, which owns the dorms, gives the police permission. A warrant is not needed if permission for entry and search is granted by the owner of the property.
Is anyone assuming that? I thought the implication that the university okayed the search was fairly clear.
A charitable Chloe read would be that Puddinghead was trying to warn Asma to stay away for a few days.
Sarah JUST said she thinks the search is actionable, everyone is talking about warrants.
Seriously people the university was being protested, they’re the ones who changed the rules so that the protesters were all trespassing and got the cops to shut down the protest, the university is clearly not on the good side so I don’t understand why nobody else seems to think that the university gave the cops permission to do the search and is assuming they will be pissed about it. I feel like I’m crazy here
The university can’t give the cops permission to search residents’ private rooms. I’m not assuming that the university will be upset about this, but that just means that they’re complicit in the illegal search.
“nobody else”? Again, why are you portraying yourself as the only person with one of the views being expressed or explored?
If we’re talking about the characters, it’s because most of them don’t have all the information.
“Everyone” did not make any such assumption, but you appear to have stated the (false) assumption that “everyone” did… I’m not sure why you might assume that, in the face of evidence otherwise. But I could be confused by the way you phrased this “… why everyone assumes the university wasn’t on board with this and granted the cops permission …”. Wasn’t on board with a search? So actually didn’t grant permission? Wasn’t on board with Privacy? So did grant permission? Asuumes the uni granted permission?
Is there a word missing that makes it all clear, as in a typo?
Oh, Tony shot way back up my list again. Now he’s in the middle
….”probably”
Yeah he’s probably looking into how to better aid the police in their search.
…based on what? I mean, you could certainly be right, but what about his portrayal so far indicates a move in aiding or inhibiting the cops?
Did you forget the part where they turned an area of the university illegal to be on overnight to justify the police arresting people. He’s the dean. He was part of the decision.
Ah you meant the Dean. I think they thought you meant Tony.
Iiiiinteresting… better than I might’ve thought.
This comic was made like a year ago, yet is all the more relevant since we have a shit ton of wanna be cops going around doing shit without a warrant when they legally have to have one to do anything. ICE isn’t supposed to be able to go after a single person unless they have a warrant to do so, and they be out here attacking everybody who pisses them off or even looks slightly less then Trump’s Preferred shade of White Person.
And people recording them or doing anything they take as disrespectful.
This country needs some serious de-ice-ing.
So they didn’t have a warrant after all. That’s interesting, and likely to annoy a college administration that would otherwise probably be sympathetic to the police. I guess the cops were so embarrassed by Amazi-Girl that they felt like they had to swing their dicks around and rub in everyone’s face that they’re above the law.
Tony’s coming off better today, which I’m glad to see.
I imagine the genocide supporters are more annoyed that they didn’t bring in three people:
1. Amazi Girl
2. The impossible to identify gay LEADERS of the protest (listen, who is more likely to have organized a Pro-Bulmeria protest, an adult Muslim woman who works in administration of the mysterious blonde teenage white girls who clearly possess overwhelming charisma)
Fun fact #1: Universities kinda count as landlords to the students in their dorms.
Fun fact #2: Universties ONLY kinda count as landlords to the students in their dorms. Many tenant rights that exist in a normal tenant/landlord relationship don’t cover student dormitories. The details can vary by jurisdiction and by university.
Fun fact #3: Universities can often perform inspections of dorms, without the sort of advance notice that landlords typically need to give.
Fun fact #4: … which also means that they could invite cops to do the inspections on the university’s behalf. You know, as contractors or something like that.
Fun fact #5: Cops can pay confidential informants for help in their investigations. … not that I’m saying that whatever administrator is in charge of the dorms is getting paid by the cops to allow that inspection. No. not at all. If we said that, the confidential informant wouldn’t be confidential anymore, and that would be a contradiction, so it’s logically impossible to say it.
Fun fact #6: I might not know what the word “fun” actually means.
I can’t speak to what will happen in the comic, but *generally* while campus officials can search without a warrant in the USA, official police cannot. If they tried some sort of workaround like ‘hiring contractors’, that would probably be worse for the university and the police-if someone with resources, such as a dean, took official and legal notice.
It could well be worse for the university.
But my point is, the college administrator in question might be far from annoyed.
Oh, absolutely.
Fun fact 3 reminds me that one time when I was a freshman, my dorm had a random fire drill. We had previously been told if we ignored a fire drill or did not exit our dorm during one that we could get in trouble. Cue my ass sleeping through the alarm and only waking up just after the alarm was done ringing. They did inspect the rooms but lucky for me they didn’t inspect very WELL (I went and hid in my closet, they did the most cursory glance over the rooms) but I remember being so scared I was going to be caught and expelled.
It’s quite possible the school isn’t going to do anything about it, unless they get a lot of pressure; my personal guess is that there is someone at the school who acts as the police contact, and so the school likely has warning in advance and can give its (tacit?) approval.
And this is assuming that this was not a university police department, in which case the police would already be tightly integrated with the university itself.
Hmmm so Tony is Lawful good or nuetral. I think I prefer that to him being uncaring of what effect on others as long as he’s not affected. Not great, as I’m chaotic good, but better lol
And yeah, I’m wondering about the dean too….
It’s generous of him to offer to help tidy.
might be more of a white privilege thing than him being full alt right or whatever
(tho given the other comments about him, i’d think some would ‘suspect’ his offer to help clean up but not rly much to snoop in )
He stepped up to put a stop to
inceleratorPaul’s harassment of Sarah, so it’s safe to say he’s not uncaring. Though it might be the “it’s happening right in front of me” sort of caring.If he was to be a DnD character, I’d see him as a paladin of Tyr.
Seemingly cold, but fair and just, while being unyielding towards oathbreakers.
So I think he sees the policemen as corrupt and unworthy of their office. I predict that if his father is willingly implicated in this affair, he may choose his principles over his bonds with his father.
It’s definitely *possible* Tony will turn out to be a moderate, or even someone who reps the thin blue line and other such trash. But…*man* we don’t know that yet.
We don’t know:
1. What he thinks happened at the protest
2. What he thinks the police were doing in the dorms
3. Anything at all about his politics-‘I hope they found what they’re looking for’ becomes a very, very different statement depending on what he thinks they were looking for, and why.
‘His father is a dean and he’s a cis white guy, therefore sus’ maybe isn’t quite the progressive position some of y’all appear to think.
As for that ‘probably’, my interpretation is that ‘he will probably look into taking action’ rather than ‘he will probably object to this’. We also know nothing about his relationship with his father, unless I’m misremembering.
I’m honestly of the mind that a huge chunk of the cast’s opinion on the protest was, “What’s a Bulmeria?”
Which obviously is a view only fictional characters could have comfotably.
I can’t say I agree. ‘What’s happening on the other side of the planet?’ as a state of mind really is something lots and lots and lots of folks can exist in very comfortably.
I’m still maintaining that is both Joyce and Dorothy’s take on it.
We really haven’t seen enough of Tony to have much idea of what his views are about the protest, the police, or politics in general. So I’m gonna wait and see on him I guess.
Exactly. So far just about the only political statement one could make about him, I think, would probably be ‘he’s not an anarchist’ based on his ‘without the rule of law’ statement.
Hang on, are you saying readers *shouldn’t* immediately start yelling at each other about how they are literally monsters for how they interpret Tony’s personality and actions based on like 15 minutes of screen time and should instead calmly wait for more information? That’s not the DoA comment section I’ve seen
I assumed his “I hope they found what they were looking for” meant “I hope they didn’t just trash everyone’s stuff and ruin everyone’s day for no reason”. Dude seems like a dude who wants tangible outcomes for things happening (I base this seeming on…vibes)
This groks the situation better than anything I could come up with.
A lot of people become radicalized when the system hurts them or someone they care about. I’m not even saying Tony is conservative, but he could very well be a liberal who thinks the system is working fine. He’s very young and he might not have had anything to convince him otherwise, especially as he is a rich white guy.
“Probably”? I can think of some reasons why that would mean a “No.” None are good.
I really need to reread It’s Walky! sometime soon.
Laws only matter if the ones in charge follow them
And if the other two govt branches don’t roll over and let the execs do as they please.
Tony is reacting to this better than I expected. I’m glad he seems to not think that everything the cops do is good, though I’m wondering if we’ll see more of what he thinks about the cops and the protests in later strips, and if his views differ from Sarah enough that could cause problems for their relationship.
He’s the son of a dean, so I suspect he knows his dad must’ve approved this raid and wants to believe he’s acting in everyone’s best interests. The longer he’s around people tangentially connected to the protests and Amazi-Girl, the more cracks will show.
I believe he thinks that cops should only do good, but that this is way beyond what cops should be allowed to do and should be punished for this breach of trust (as well as the one(s) who ordered that police raid).
just ‘probably’, huh? I guess it might be too soon in their relationship to nudge Tony into talking to his dad about it
Mr. Cop left the bible behind.
Tony’s gonna have sex with Sarah and then start preaching for the downfall of society’s social structures like Felix the Cat.
*Fritz the Cat
Not felix. WAY different cat.
Haven’t watched those movies in aWHILE
I’m getting the impression that punching Incelerator was less because he was a villain and more because that was the only thing Tony can control in his life.
Are we getting a character inversion arc, were Raidah begins acting more charitably while being grumpy, at the same time that Sarah starts using her personal relationships to accomplish her own ends?
Will they meet in the middle and bury the hatchet? Will they fully swap roles? Or will they both realize what’s happening and revert to form?
Honestly Tony’s more or less where I was when I was about 19. To be fair I still sorta agree that rules and law ARE important to a society running well. It’s moreso that I’ve accepted that it currently doesn’t? I’m less against the principle and moreso the execution.
I can’t think of a single society I’ve heard of that’s ever managed to run well, regardless of how many laws they had.
“Law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice, and when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress.”
— Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.
I still don’t know where to stand with this Tony fella. I hear “rule of law” and that worries me because rules and laws disproportionately target people that look like me while serving the rich which Tony just so happens to be. Is he just young and naive?
I think it does come from a place of optimism rather than outright authoritarianism, but he probably doesn’t realize how often rules and laws disproportionately target people like his girlfriend. I think this might be a sticking point for them.
“Rule of law” is the concept that NO ONE should be above the law, that laws should be fair and just to everyone following the laws, and that people in power should not be able to abuse the laws for their own benefits.
The “rule of man” is where an entity (king, council, emperor, dictator, and other forms of absolutist government) dictate what is the law and that this entity and their lackeys are above the laws.
So in this case in the comic, policemen searching every rooms for something undefined while leaving a mess and without apparent limits to where they can go is a sign that they are acting under the rule of man (AKA sent by someone powerful and spiteful).
If they were acting under the rule of law, they should have searched a single room or a few designated rooms with a limited warrant from a judge, IF they have a legitimate suspicion of who could be the culprit of the crime they are sent for, and shouldn’t touch other rooms if they didn’t find it in the designated room(s). Perhaps they could ask questions to voluntary students to maybe find clues as to where they should get the next warrant for, but not act until they get the next warrant except under exceptional circumstances.
The rule of law is what we should strive for, but it has been eroded for decades already…
This strip has confirmed something I’ve had brewing in my brain for months, now. The university needs an apocalypse. Something dire needs to happen to every single background extra and unseen-but-assumed student and faculty member at IU, resulting in their mass deaths or disappearances. Only the main cast and their friends should still be around, for at least one in-story month. It’s the only way to prevent The Incident®.
There’s an apocalypse enough already 😒
Soggies?
Yeeeeee, The Dean singed on this for certain.
Super interesting what will happen when Raidah finds out.
Tony, you should come to clean to Sarah. She’s not going to be happy about it but she’ll be less upset than you lying.
Also holy shit 11 months is insane.
“What’s this?”
” ‘Other…Nobody’. It’s a modulator for my Darth Vader cosplay.”
A fan is usually sufficient but is much less purse sized.
Front-Facing Tony is a rare sight, but not as disturbing as Front-Facing Homestar.
Cops can generally excuse most actions if they are in lukewarm pursuit of a fugitive believed to be severely injured. That precedent should be more than enough coverage for their asses, especially if they worst they did was peek in a few rooms and ransack the rest. It’s too real. Makes me sick. rip Floyd and Good.
so, he would have been okay with the cops doing this with a warrant….
Oh brother, this guy stinks!
oh boyhere we go
So, they inavertandly found out a book Joyce hadn’t throw out yet.