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by David M Willis on August 28, 2019 at 12:01 am
  • 01 - Birthday Pursuit
└ Tags: dina, jennifer, joyce

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    August 28, 2019 at 12:02 am | #

    maturity is overrated

    except, I dunno, stock or bond maturity, that’s kinda cool if you have money to fool with that

    • Ana Chronistic
      Ana Chronistic
      August 28, 2019 at 12:03 am | #

      Alt-Text Dina: “Would you ALSO like a Triceratop?”
      Alt-Text Joyce: “WOULD I‽”

      • Dean
        Dean
        August 28, 2019 at 12:29 am | #

        Pfft, it isn’t JOYCE’S birthday.

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        August 28, 2019 at 2:54 am | #

        “First you must describe the evolutionary path of Triceratops from the origins of Ornithischia.”

        • Bryy
          Bryy
          August 28, 2019 at 3:13 am | #

          I love this comment.

        • Arquinsiel
          Arquinsiel
          August 28, 2019 at 10:29 am | #

          “Awesome”.

    • Ob
      Ob
      August 28, 2019 at 2:17 am | #

      Maturity can also be a valuable quality for certain kinds of cheese.

      • anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
        anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
        August 28, 2019 at 10:08 am | #

        as well as certain fermented and distilled beverages.

    • Pylgrim
      Pylgrim
      August 28, 2019 at 9:04 am | #

      “Were I, too, able to throw down the shackles of properness!”

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      August 28, 2019 at 11:18 am | #

      From today’s Questionable Content: “Adulthood is mostly more cleaning than you’d like.”

  2. ValdVin
    ValdVin
    August 28, 2019 at 12:03 am | #

    Gaddangit! is a lot closer to foul language than Joyce usually gets for minor annoyances, isn’t it?

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      August 28, 2019 at 12:05 am | #

      Maybe she was briefly possessed by the spirit of a 19th century prospector.

      • ValdVin
        ValdVin
        August 28, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

        That thar’s a possibility.

      • Sporky
        Sporky
        August 28, 2019 at 12:19 am | #

        Or by Sal.

        • Reltzik
          Reltzik
          August 28, 2019 at 2:56 am | #

          That would be 72 f-bombs in a row.

      • Kamino Neko
        Kamino Neko
        August 28, 2019 at 12:20 am | #

        That’d be ‘Goldurnit’.

        • purblebirb
          purblebirb
          August 28, 2019 at 12:34 am | #

          Yeah I was about to say…

        • brionl
          brionl
          August 28, 2019 at 1:19 am | #

          Maybe ‘Dagnabbit!’

          The Power of Gabby Hayes Compels You!
          The Power of Gabby Hayes Compels You!!

          • anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
            anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
            August 28, 2019 at 10:16 am | #

            That one didn’t start with prospectors but with those who work with sheep.
            Unfortunately their hair has the unfortunate property of collecting material at the back end which is referred to as Daggs, though you would more likely know them as Dinggleberries.
            Nabit is based on the word nab, to catch.
            And there you have it. So wear gloves and wash frequently.

      • Yet_One_More_Idiot
        Yet_One_More_Idiot
        August 28, 2019 at 12:45 am | #

        Wouldn’t that be more like “Dagnabbit!” or “Consarnit!” or something? I’m pretty sure those were used by Bart Simpson at one point and he was told to stop talking like a grizzled old 19th century prospector. 😛

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          August 28, 2019 at 2:16 am | #

          That’s more TF2 Engineer Texan, isn’t it?

        • BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
          BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
          August 28, 2019 at 9:14 pm | #

          What in tarnation are you condiddling clarty-paps yammering on about, dadgummit?

          • He Who Abides
            He Who Abides
            August 28, 2019 at 10:01 pm | #

            Razzinfrazzin, razzinfrazz.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      August 28, 2019 at 6:47 am | #

      I don’t remember a Gaddangit, but Joyce has always been pretty free with the bowdlerized foul language. It may be that her recent willingness to use actual swears also translates into her casual usage getting closer to foul.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        August 28, 2019 at 11:56 am | #

        Sal says gaddang sometimes.

  3. Charles Phipps
    Charles Phipps
    August 28, 2019 at 12:04 am | #

    Joyce is growing up in all the wrong ways.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      August 28, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

      Personally, I blame the parents.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        August 28, 2019 at 2:17 am | #

        There’s an Oompa-Loompa song in there somewhere.

        • Delicious Taffy
          Delicious Taffy
          August 28, 2019 at 5:48 am | #

          Oompa
          Loompa
          Don’t raise your kids to be assholes
          We’re not gonna bother rhyming, just don’t do it.

  4. Jess
    Jess
    August 28, 2019 at 12:06 am | #

    Aw, Joyce, don’t be rude!

  5. Terrader16
    Terrader16
    August 28, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

    Sick burn

    • Sunny
      Sunny
      August 28, 2019 at 3:46 am | #

      Becky has been teaching her well.

  6. Cyrus
    Cyrus
    August 28, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

    Too hot for Dina to wear, or too hot for Becky to handle?

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      August 28, 2019 at 12:12 am | #

      You can almost peek up the hood and see the top of her head. It’s the equivalent of an extremely short skirt for Becky, positively indecent.

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        August 28, 2019 at 12:13 am | #

        That makes a lot of sense, actually.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      August 28, 2019 at 12:12 am | #

      Yes.

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        August 28, 2019 at 1:10 am | #

        Yes indeed.

    • Catullus
      Catullus
      August 28, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

      “This outfit is too hot to be worn to bed. Unrelatedly, it also gets too warm.”

    • Stephen Bierce
      Stephen Bierce
      August 28, 2019 at 12:15 am | #

      “Oh, it’s all wet, and I’ll SWEAT
      I’LL SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT,
      SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT, SWEAT SWEAT SWEAT!”–Billy Idol

      • BarerMender
        BarerMender
        August 28, 2019 at 4:59 am | #

        Billy Idol was a real poet, huh?

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      August 28, 2019 at 12:42 am | #

      Why not both?

  7. Pocky
    Pocky
    August 28, 2019 at 12:11 am | #

    *in Master Roshi voice*

    HOW OLD ARE YOU!?

  8. cbwroses
    cbwroses
    August 28, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

    I was binge reading the comics, catching up on the last month and half, when I looked down to scan the comments and immediately wondered why people hadn’t commented much.
    Oh yeah. I’m caught up. No more overabundance of story I can read at my leisure in a single setting.
    Yaaaay.

    • ǝ snow ʍousɐ
      ǝ snow ʍousɐ
      August 28, 2019 at 12:29 am | #

      I’m sorry for your loss, but also congrats on completing the binge!

      • ǝ snow ʍousɐ
        ǝ snow ʍousɐ
        August 28, 2019 at 12:31 am | #

        Oh, wait, not a full archive binge. Well, congrats on being caught up, anyway 😛

  9. Marsh Maryrose
    Marsh Maryrose
    August 28, 2019 at 12:15 am | #

    Has Joyce forgotten that she’s already seen Dina in her tricera-hoodie?

  10. NinjaNick
    NinjaNick
    August 28, 2019 at 12:15 am | #

    I can’t unhear Joyce doing a Cartman impersonation in the last panel.

  11. BigDogLittleCat
    BigDogLittleCat
    August 28, 2019 at 12:17 am | #

    I think we’re all jealous of that hoodie. I certainly am.

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      August 28, 2019 at 12:37 am | #

      I definitely am jealous of that hoodie too.

      • Clif
        Clif
        August 28, 2019 at 1:17 am | #

        I mean, who wouldn’t be.

        • Dara
          Dara
          August 28, 2019 at 3:04 pm | #

          I am also jealous of that hoodie.

  12. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    August 28, 2019 at 12:18 am | #

    I love Joyce and Dina’s goofy rivalry. I think it helps that the stakes aren’t high, and there’s not really any malice there, just mutual irksome moments with each other, like Dina trolling her on flu shots, and Joyce unintentionally doing so with the fire-breathing dinosaurs.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      August 28, 2019 at 1:10 am | #

      It’s not entirely unlike Becky and Dorothy, or Dorothy and Roz. a low stakes clash of personalities that is completely hillarious.

  13. Cass
    Cass
    August 28, 2019 at 12:20 am | #

    I like Billie just standing back and experiencing this exchange. Which I expect is about all she feels up to doing.

    • Hazel
      Hazel
      August 28, 2019 at 12:32 am | #

      Even doing that looks like too much. She looks ill-ill not comedy ill.

  14. Kamino Neko
    Kamino Neko
    August 28, 2019 at 12:29 am | #

    Joyce, who is it that has Monkey Master jammies, again?

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      August 28, 2019 at 1:24 am | #

      Unfair; she doesn’t consider those to be formal attire.

      • BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
        BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
        August 28, 2019 at 9:19 pm | #

        Well why the hell not?

  15. Dean
    Dean
    August 28, 2019 at 12:30 am | #

    Dina plans to be both married and buried in that hoodie.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      August 28, 2019 at 1:07 am | #

      and fosilized

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        August 28, 2019 at 2:59 am | #

        Preferably in that order.

  16. BBCC
    BBCC
    August 28, 2019 at 12:36 am | #

    Joyce, you own a pair of monkey master leggings, a dexter shirt and a hat you wore unironically around the dorm when your parents visited. Maybe don’t start throwing stones yet. 😛

  17. TrueVCU
    TrueVCU
    August 28, 2019 at 12:44 am | #

    Billie’s “I need booze” face is everything

  18. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    August 28, 2019 at 12:49 am | #

    There better be a party hat on top of that hoodie eventually.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      August 28, 2019 at 2:59 am | #

      I’m guessing 3 party hats.

  19. not someone else
    not someone else
    August 28, 2019 at 12:55 am | #

    Joyce’s remark annoys me to an irrational degree, but Dina is handling it great.

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      August 28, 2019 at 1:25 am | #

      I’m waiting to see if Becky chimes in. She’s right there.

  20. Bagge
    Bagge
    August 28, 2019 at 1:02 am | #

    I kiiiiinda think miss MonkeyMaster leggings is just a bit jelous of Dina owning her childishness without shame.

  21. Josh Spicer
    Josh Spicer
    August 28, 2019 at 1:06 am | #

    Dina pulling out the old Fluttershy trick of owning someone.

  22. Bagge
    Bagge
    August 28, 2019 at 1:06 am | #

    I just love Billie’s look of “can’t cope with this shit”. Comedy gold!

  23. Bagge
    Bagge
    August 28, 2019 at 1:08 am | #

    Too hot to be worn to bed?

    There goes Dina’s idea for a birthday gift for Becky.

    • Dana
      Dana
      August 28, 2019 at 1:19 am | #

      I wonder if it was for sexytimes. Or at least holding hands and looking at pictures of dinosaurs.

      • Emperor Norton II
        Emperor Norton II
        August 28, 2019 at 1:57 am | #

        Why are you repeating yourself?

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        August 28, 2019 at 3:52 am | #

        We KNOW it’s fit for holding hands and looking at pictures of dinosaurs
        http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/04-walking-with-dina/edmontosaurus/

        • BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
          BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
          August 28, 2019 at 9:44 pm | #

          Willis, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, poisoning the tender minds of impressionable twenty-somethings with such detestable smut.

          By the way, when is the next Slipshine coming out?

  24. thEmpror
    thEmpror
    August 28, 2019 at 1:14 am | #

    I feel special, for it was my burfday yesterday

    • Dr. Sharks
      Dr. Sharks
      August 28, 2019 at 10:15 am | #

      What? Impossible. It was MY birthday yesterday.

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        August 28, 2019 at 1:33 pm | #

        The only way to settle this is with a battle to the death.

        • Roborat
          Roborat
          August 28, 2019 at 3:56 pm | #

          There can be only one!

      • Tan
        Tan
        August 28, 2019 at 4:05 pm | #

        Also mine

  25. abysswatcher1993
    abysswatcher1993
    August 28, 2019 at 1:26 am | #

    Joyce: “Now I need a hoodie!”
    Dina: “Aren’t you a creationist?”
    Joyce: “I am an optimistic nihilist.”

  26. BenRG
    BenRG
    August 28, 2019 at 2:07 am | #

    In which Joyce is reminded that growing up does not require that one abide by an arbitrary ‘adult behaviour’ stereotype.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      August 28, 2019 at 2:22 am | #

      Growing up is optional.

      • BenRG
        BenRG
        August 28, 2019 at 4:29 am | #

        But Joyce is having to deal with very rigid ‘adult’ roles and behaviours in her mind. A part of her wants to be ‘adult’ (or, more specifically, in control) and I think that drives a lot of her intrusive behaviour.

      • TemperaryObsessor
        TemperaryObsessor
        August 28, 2019 at 10:21 pm | #

        I don’t think growing up is always optional, refusal to grow up often causes those close to you problems. But its not so much about what you wear and more about learning to contribute to your community/family, learning not to be an A-hole, and taking responsibilty for your own life.

  27. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    August 28, 2019 at 3:01 am | #

    …. so does Joyce still vehemently reject evolution, and if so why?

    • Eldritch Gentleman
      Eldritch Gentleman
      August 28, 2019 at 4:06 am | #

      If I remember right the last time it was brought up with her she exploded about how if evolution is true then it’s not Adam and Eve’s fault that the world is awful, the world just is awful on it’s own or because God created it this way. Something along those lines I think.

      • Charles Phipps
        Charles Phipps
        August 28, 2019 at 5:31 am | #

        Another reason she’d have a problem with Catholicism. Though mind you I’m not sure how they lean so heavily into original sin while also accepting evolution.

        • Eldritch Gentleman
          Eldritch Gentleman
          August 28, 2019 at 7:24 am | #

          Well for one thing they explain evolution as divinely inspired. Basically they accept the scientific theories that the universe “spun from nothing” but they make God the Spinner. As for the original sin I’m not sure, but I think it might be the belief that we are all born capable of doing bad things, basically we are born corrupted and our goal should be to fight that corruption through out life. If we’d get to the bottom of this then humanity gaining sentience might be seen as the original sin.

          • CJ
            CJ
            August 28, 2019 at 7:31 am | #

            I think Catholicism does not believe in the verbatim truth of the Bible but in its inherent truth. So the story of Adam and Eve need not to have actually happened to create original sin, it’s just a metaphor.
            (I still struggle with the idea that anyone born in the 20thies century or later in a developed country would believe anything in there could possibly have happened as described there. It’s like thinking stuff described in Buffy the Vampire Slayer actually happened.)

            • Eldritch Gentleman
              Eldritch Gentleman
              August 28, 2019 at 7:56 am | #

              Yeah that’s the attitude they took on regarding the Old Testament, that they are tales to touch us morality.

            • John
              John
              August 28, 2019 at 9:41 am | #

              That is always the take I have had in the bible, morality tales with maybe a bit of historic book keeping, what with all the this guy begot this guy who begot this guy tedium. Granted, that is not what the teachers at the fanatically catholic school I went to for grades 1-9 taught us. Those were dark times…

              Still though, not all the stories there are bad, I have always enjoyed the story of Moses, just not of them should be taken as literal truth.

            • Seregiel
              Seregiel
              August 28, 2019 at 12:16 pm | #

              Mostly this as a catholic school attendee but still believe in transubstantiation… aka the wine and bread become literal body and blood of Christ. So – moral stories and canibalism!

              • TheWanderingMist
                TheWanderingMist
                August 28, 2019 at 6:45 pm | #

                Raised Catholic here, though stopped attending church when I was around 10. Catholics don’t have any problem with evolution. Here are some misconceptions:

                1. The Catholic Church burned witches at the stake!
                Nope! The official position of the Catholic Church is that witchcraft doesn’t exist.

                2. The Catholic Church denies evolution!
                True, they did at first, but so did many actual scientists, until the theory gained a lot more evidence.

                3. The Catholic Church put Galileo under house arrest for saying the Earth revolved around the Sun!
                Partially true. They did force him to recant what he said at first, however, it was because the Church thought very highly of Aristotle, the father of modern science. This is why the Pope asked him to weigh arguments on both sides, and why he was put on house arrest later, since he mocked the Pope in his book.

                • Reltzik
                  Reltzik
                  August 28, 2019 at 7:57 pm | #

                  That witchcraft doesn’t exist is the PRESENT official position of the Catholic Church. I would suggest looking at Summis Desiderantes Affectibus, a papal bull by Pope Innocent VIII.

                • CJ
                  CJ
                  August 29, 2019 at 8:10 am | #

                  I thing the position of the Catholic Church on witchcraft changed several times.
                  The problem with it is, they believed in batteling heresy by any means possible, thus the Inquisition.
                  People who are sure they are saving your eternal soul from eternal damnation by torturing you and burning you at the stake are incredibly dangerous, especially if they have a power structure at their back that approves of this. And for a long time, the Catholic Church did.

    • Vulcanodon
      Vulcanodon
      August 28, 2019 at 8:04 am | #

      So the funny thing about loss of faith is that it happens before realizing all the implications of it. At some point she’s going to have the realization of a sixth frame to this strip
      http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/originalsin/

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 28, 2019 at 10:40 am | #

        I think the point of that strip was that Joyce sees the implications. Tying everything together like that makes the faith stronger, but it means if any one of those things breaks, the whole bundle collapses. Strong, but brittle, where a more flexible approach can survive losing some of the facets.

    • TheWanderingMist
      TheWanderingMist
      August 28, 2019 at 10:18 pm | #

      @Reltzik

      Here’s a relevant Wikipedia article:

      “During the Early Middle Ages, the Christian Churches did not conduct witch trials.[5] The Germanic Council of Paderborn in 785 explicitly outlawed the very belief in witches, and the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne later confirmed the law. Among Orthodox Eastern Christians concentrated in the Byzantine Empire, belief in witchcraft was widely regarded as deisidaimonia—superstition—and by the 9th and 10th centuries in the Latin Christian West, belief in witchcraft had begun to be seen as heresy.

      However, towards the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the early modern period (post-Reformation), belief in witchcraft became more popular and witches were seen as directly in league with the Devil. This marked the beginning of a period of witch hunts among early Protestants which lasted about 200 years, and in some countries, particularly in North-Western Europe, thousands of people were accused of witchcraft and sentenced to death.

      The Inquisition within the Roman Catholic Church had conducted trials against supposed witches in the 13th century, but these trials were to punish heresy, of which belief in witchcraft was merely one variety.[5] Inquisitorial courts only became systematically involved in the witch-hunt during the 15th century: in the case of the Madonna Oriente, the Inquisition of Milan was not sure what to do with two women who in 1384 and in 1390 confessed to have participated in a type of white magic.

      Not all Inquisitorial courts acknowledged witchcraft. For example, in 1610 as the result of a witch hunting craze the Suprema (the ruling council of the Spanish Inquisition) gave everybody an Edict of Grace (during which confessing witches were not to be punished) and put the only dissenting inquisitor, Alonso de Salazar Frías, in charge of the subsequent investigation. The results of Salazar’s investigation was that the Spanish Inquisition did not bother witches ever again though they still went after heretics and Crypto-Jews.[6]”

      Note that belief in witchcraft was considered heresy from around the 8th century, with only a brief acknowledgment of it during the 1400s, and even then, still not all Inquisitorial courts chose to try it as witchcraft itself rather than heresy.

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        August 28, 2019 at 10:33 pm | #

        Oh, yes, it was definitely more a Protestant thing than a Catholic thing. I was just pointing out that there WAS a point, albeit briefly, where the Catholic Church declared witchcraft to be a real thing that existed and involved itself in witch hunts.

  28. Plasma Mongoose
    Plasma Mongoose
    August 28, 2019 at 3:09 am | #

    Cosplaying as a dinosaur doesn’t count as formal wear?

    I want off this planet.

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 28, 2019 at 4:45 am | #

      Context is king. Cosplaying as a dinosaur counts as formal wear only under the appropriate circumstances. For Sarah’s birthday, the appropriate formal wear is cosplaying as Grumpy Cat.

      Of course, this is Dina’s birthday too, so I’m genuinely surprised that Becky isn’t dressed up as a Raptor or something.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 28, 2019 at 6:42 am | #

        It’s not the party yet. 🙂

        • Bagge
          Bagge
          August 28, 2019 at 9:00 am | #

          I’m not entirely sure Becky is ready for that “special gift” yet.

          But the day is young…

    • Amazi-Stool
      Amazi-Stool
      August 28, 2019 at 5:00 pm | #

      Cosplaying as a dinosaur does count as formal war!

    • ValdVin
      ValdVin
      August 28, 2019 at 5:18 pm | #

      Tangential: Is this Sapphire in Hit the Diamond?

      • TheWanderingMist
        TheWanderingMist
        August 28, 2019 at 6:47 pm | #

        Looks like her, but Sapphire is kind of blue.

        • ValdVin
          ValdVin
          August 28, 2019 at 8:22 pm | #

          Yeah, that’s another thing I was wondering too.

  29. JBento
    JBento
    August 28, 2019 at 8:54 am | #

    That is Dina sass and I am HERE FOR IT!

  30. ziggy78eog
    ziggy78eog
    August 28, 2019 at 11:03 am | #

    I think Joyce is jealous that she does not have a pair of Monkey Master PJs, that are just as cool.

  31. wakeangel2001
    wakeangel2001
    August 28, 2019 at 12:48 pm | #

    not gonna judge, this was basically me in college, heck it’s basically me now and I’m brushing up on my mid thirties.

  32. Kaw
    Kaw
    August 28, 2019 at 6:28 pm | #

    Dina and logic win again!

    • TheWanderingMist
      TheWanderingMist
      August 28, 2019 at 6:48 pm | #

      Dina is a fool. She should wear it to bed in the winter, when the temperature is coldest, and also not use blankets while in the outfit.

  33. TheWanderingMist
    TheWanderingMist
    August 28, 2019 at 6:49 pm | #

    I know the FAQ says her name is “DEE-nuh”, but given her obsession, I think “DYE-nuh” is more appropriate.

    • He Who Abides
      He Who Abides
      August 28, 2019 at 7:25 pm | #

      Especially since her last name starts with a “saur”-sounding syllable.

      • Poskie
        Poskie
        August 28, 2019 at 10:48 pm | #

        So then I’d imagine neither of you two have read It’s Walky, in which Dina’s name is not even as subtle as it is here. In It’s Walky she’s called Dina Sarazu.

        • TheWanderingMist
          TheWanderingMist
          August 28, 2019 at 10:59 pm | #

          Correct, I haven’t read that. I read this whole webcomic in a week, so now I’m going all the way back to the beginning of Roomies! to see how different it is.

          Also, I’m starting a formal protest to force Willis to change the pronunciation of her name to what it clearly wants to be? Who’s with me?!

        • He Who Abides
          He Who Abides
          August 30, 2019 at 5:02 pm | #

          I have not, but the name “Dina Saruyama” isn’t subtle either.

    • Rowen Morland
      Rowen Morland
      August 29, 2019 at 6:38 am | #

      This has always been Willis’ greatest crime.

    • David M Willis
      David M Willis
      August 30, 2019 at 10:19 pm | #

      “Dina” is not pronounced the way you want. You’re looking for “Dinah,” with an H.

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