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That is … horrifyingly sad. The difference between even the top-flight frozen pizzas and one from a decent brick-oven place is just STARK. Our local biergarten/pizzaria (yes, they brew on-site) makes a five-mushroom pizza on a white sauce base, drizzled with bleu cheese and truffle oil. It will change your life.
Yes but …sometimes the frozen pizza is a MUCH better option.
So far we have ordered from three different pizza Places in my City.
The first one, drowned the pizza in oil so it was really DRIPPING when i lift it up
The second one BURNED the pizza that the entire bottom side was Black.
The Third place got it to me half-cooked, last time i ever use a place that advertises with how “Fast” they delivered.
No thank you, i would even take a simple frozen margarita over them anytime.
I’ve had that first one… a place near the bar-crawl route in my town does pizzas where the orange grease crawls slowly up your hand as far as the wrist while you eat.
Authentic 1870s Olde West pizza?
I presume you mean like they used to serve in those frontier towns like Napoli, Pisa, Roma, and Genoa back in Olde West Italy.
Mix two cups flour, one cup water, one teaspoon salt one tablespoon yeast, a tablespoon of sugar to help the yeast get started, a dash of oil and knead. Pizza dough takes less than ten minutes to put together just remember to give the dough about two hours to rise. Your first few attempts probably won’t rise as much as you want but it will be usable and you’ll get the knack with repetition.
I’m a huge fan of making my own pizza dough as well. And you’re right, Pilgrim, it’s super easy and fast to put together but the stumbling block for most when it comes to homemade vs. frozen (or pre-made dough from the store) is the two hours to rise (and the ten minutes to knead). It the difference between pizza being a pre-planned “start in the morning to have by lunch” thing as opposed to a “dammit, I don’t really feel like much cooking, and I need to get something together quick or the kids/stomach is gonna scream, ooh pizza!” thing.
We usually make pizza on weekends. It’s a habit we got into when we lived eight miles past the end of the TV cable. Also canned diced tomatoes work much better than premade pizza sauce. And we do tend to keep a couple of frozen on hand for emergencies like hungry kids.
I buy a frozen plain cheese; pan fry Hamburg and fresh mushrooms; occasionally add spinach and cherry tomatoes and top it all off with another layer of cheese. And yeah, you need a fork and knife to eat it.
I also usually start with frozen plain cheese, although my toppings are usually way different. More likely to be some sauteed garlic and sun-dried tomatoes, maybe some thin-sliced chicken if i’m feeling saucy.
Frozen pizza is so much cheaper than ordering, so I can’t blame you for that. There are some pizza places that start out charging you 12 USD for just a 10 inch, and then charge you whatever they feel like for each individual topping. By the time I get done making one personal pizza it’s 15-17 USD and I still have to get a separate pizza for my husband.
Meanwhile I can pick up a California Kitchen Sicilian pizza for 5.50 and call it good.
Before we moved there was a lovely chain called Mod Pizza that had a brick oven and they specialized in personal pizzas. I haven’t had the chance to see if there’s one nearby yet, so I’ll stick to my frozen pizzas for a while. Both the Pie Five and the Godfathers pizza have shut down, so the options left are not appealing. Though there is a joint called “Toppers” I might check out.
Frozen can be improved immensely just by adding basil and oregano before baking. It won’t measure up to fresh or even starting with a pre-made crust, but the herbs help more than you’d believe.
Ana, no! I’ve got a pizza dough recipe that you can literally make in minutes, since it doesn’t require yeast, it just uses baking powder for leavening. You can top it with store bought sauce, pepperoni, mozzarella, whatever you want, you could literally start making pizza and be done within the hour! And It’s SO much better than frozen pizza! Even if you don’t have a pizza pan, the recipe is designed for a large cookie sheet anyway, because square pizza is better and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. If you or anyone wants me to drop the recipe, I will
This is made with a large baking sheet in mind; feel free to adjust the proportions down as necessary.
Knead together 3 cups of flour, 1 cup of milk, 1/3 cups of oil (olive or a neutral flavored one), 1 1.2 teaspoons salt, 3 teaspoons baking powder. It should be soft but not too sticky, and it’s very forgiving, feel free to mess with the proportions to get it to the desired consistency. Takes about 5-10 minutes.
Spread on a greased baking sheet, it will feel like there’s not enough put keep working it. Have 1 and 1/15 tablespoons of iol, dip your fingers and work it into the dough as needed, spread any excess on top. Takes about 5 minutes
To make sure the crust is cooked all the way through, I like to spread sauce on it now and then bake it in a 425 degree F. oven for about 10 minutes. This is sort of optional, but recommended, especially if you’re going to put a lot of toppings on. Which I do.
Add toppings and cheeses, I recommend pre-cooking things like hamburger and sausage. Cook for about another 10 minutes or so; I never time it, just check on it every few minutes until the cheese it my desired degree of melted and brown.
Cut into squares and enjoy! Unlike most pizzas I’ve ever had, this will warm up in the microwave just fine, and will not be chewy or tough. If you overload with toppings you might need to eat with a fork; this is fine. All told it should be ready within an hour, unless you spend a lot of time cooking lots of toppings. I like to do pepperoni, hamburger, sausage (country, italian, or both), sun-dried tomatoes, bacon or guanciale, plus onions, garlic, and peppers cooked in a red or white wine reduction, and a mixture of mozzarella and provolon cheeses. Also a fan of breakfast pizza, replace the sauce with sausage gravy, top with sauteed mushrooms, bacon, scrambled eggs, cheddar cheese, and top with sunny-side up eggs. Or a seafood pizza, with scampi or alfredo sauce, shrimp, scallops, and crab. Do whatever!
For example, one of the easiest ways to tick me off is by adding too much garlic to “traditional” Italian recipes. I worked under a man who spent 12 years in Italy learning those recipes, they don’t need that much garlic!!!
Yes, there’s dishes that do require larger amounts of garlic. I’m specifically talking about ones that don’t require much (if any) garlic. Dishes such as Parmigiana di Melanazane (don’t get me started on how many places I’ve been that insist on adding garlic to their tomato sauce for this) or a nice carbonara where I swear they add 3 or 4 cloves for no reason… drives me insane
sorry, manic garlic eater her… couldn’t it be that it depends from the type of regional “italian”cuisine… I mean italian doesn’t really mean a thing until late 19th.. and still are contempted by some rumanol speakers or whatev…
like bagna cauda is only a thing “italian” cooks define as italian but wasn’t until piemontese winemakers got hold of a pronvencal recipe… and then only much later when some piemontese defined themeselves as italian…
Also most of “traditional” recipes were either “invented” by court cooks who were rarely from the place the dishes now are thought to originate of, either “collected” by 19th urban floklorists… I don’t know as precisely for Itay as I know for France but our culinary histories are sufficiently intricated (wtf is Provence anyway, or Lombardia) that I know a bit.
For those saying “but the nonna said”, remember those nonnas are as well subject to recreating or remembering thing that didn’t existed, especially when there’s a strong popular link to a social identity to it. Also tomato isn’t even an european product. Nations are constructs, and cuisine a byproduct of their construction.
tl;dr: I agree with Walky there but in a much more pedantic way, that there is no such thing as a traditional recipe nowadays. Unless you go to unaccultured tribes – which rarely write an history of them down, so you can’t even be sure
Just because the history is a tapestry of interwoven influences and cross connects, does not mean that something is not traditional. Traditions are awesome and provide small social-tribal groups identity and a sense of family and belonging. They are rather vital to our primitive self’s feeling of safety and that should not be neglected. That said, when a tradition goes from welcoming and nuturing, to being about ostracizing or excluding, then it, and the jerk making someone be excluded should be tossed or changed.
You’re right, I’m sorry I somehow didn’t said what I had in mind what was that tradition used to back up nationalism (for nations competing with each other) is bullshit since what defines a nation is moving and cannot in any way be taken without a grain or salt (or garlic).
Also all traditions are not awesome, but I guess since we have different traditions of interpreting things, then I guess it’s better for me to consider my own tradition as questionable in this sense
there’s a scene in beyblade where a guy talks about how civilized it is to eat pizza with a knife and fork. That scene lives in my head rent free, even though I haven’t seen it in like 5 years.
Just the whole idea of Walky really, hes short, smelly, lazy, has no plans (or clues) about the future, until recently he thought girls were icky, has extremely questionable ideas on masculinity yet in spite of all that this is now the third girl to have fallen for him
Amber and Sal are basically superhuman yet this is probably the most unrealistic aspect of the comic
it doesn’t work for everyone, you have to be a minimum level of outgoing and personable, but walky is both of those things. he’s a twerp, but he’s not a shy twerp or a mean one, and that’s a lot when everyone else is figuring out their stuff, too.
I think, and this is just speaking from my perspective, it’s also because none of his flaws have really had negative repercussions. He’s failing math? That’s okay, Amber fixed his grades. His diet is terrible? Well he’s been blessed with a metabolism that still gives him some semblance of abs. He’s dirty and smelly? Well he still gets three girls and apparently has shaggy hair so powerful it makes people who intensely dislike him start to think he’s attractive.
His biggest ‘problem’ has been his lack of confidence re: math, which seems pretty low stakes compared to half the other personal problems going on.
he’s a decent person, and recognized that he was a distraction, but he clearly wanted to keep dating her, and he’s still hanging around amber even though she’s been very clear that she doesn’t want him to; whatever happened around Halloween, he doesn’t seem to have been the one to break things up. and regardless of the specifics, his relationships have been intense and short-lived in ways that haven’t made him happy. he isn’t cheerfully bedhopping the way ethan was, say.
Ehhhh he was ready to break up with Dorothy even if he didn’t want to. And after their break-up, it was Dorothy who re-instigated things every time. At worst his crime then was not firmly setting boundaries with an ex he still had feelings for. He wasn’t perfect there, but I’d put more blame on that section on Dorothy.
he’s doing better than danny—his breakups haven’t had to be quite so blunt—but my point here is that his dating life hasn’t been charmed. he’s gotten hurt because he’s not great at dating, and that’s one of the lifeskills he needs to learn. saying that he’s living the life of riley just because three women dated him over the course of a year is ignoring all that.
I think the smelly comment is just a general assumption based on his history of bad hygiene which is probably the fairest critique you can make of Walky. He does apparently have a wart or something on his taint.
Walky, it’s not polite to drag someone across the table you are eating on, on a first date.
If it turns out they’re into that, you can do it second date.
Yep. Don’t you DARE put ketchup on a hotdog in Chicago or they’ll stab you. I’m fine with that; never been a huge ketchup fan anyway. Mustard all the way. But, Chicago’s obsession with deep dish pizza? Insane. It’s a tomato sauce pie, not a pizza. Yuck.
When I stopped in Chicago on a road trip I observed that wasn’t nearly as much sauce on the pizza as I expected but it had a full inch of Mozzarella which I must begrudgingly respect.
If you order an extra cheese pie in Chicago you are legally required to write letters of apology to every citizen of Wisconsin because they will be without cheese for the next week in order to make your pizza
You ain’t kidding. I took a road trip through Wisconsin once and where most states have signs that said Food – Gas – Lodging, in Wisconsin it’s Food – Gas – Lodging – Cheese. Because every rest area has a cheese shop. I think I gained 5 pounds just eating cheese curds while driving across the state.
Ugh yes. Come to WNY where we have better hot dogs to begin with and we won’t shame you for whatever you want to put on them. Ketchup on a Zweigle’s red hot with a slightly toasted bun is hot dog perfection and Chicago doesn’t get to say anything about it. But if you want your hot dog to be an ingredient in a larger masterpiece you put those Zweigle’s red hoots into mac salad, home fries, and whatever is included in “everything” (don’t ask too many questions) and you’ve achieved the masterpiece that is the Garbage Plate. Anybody who wants to argue has to try one before they can try fighting any Rochestarian. But they’ll have to fight in the snow and ice so the Rochestarian will win.
I suppose the application beans in chili comes down to taste, type, and a preference for red-meat driven colon cancer later in life or not.
To all of you foodies out there, should I get the chance to sit with you and experience your ideal cuisine, I will happily have it the way you would have it. Because this is what makes life a grand adventure: diversity and experience.
I didn’t check the exact data for the purpose of my post and will happily eat cow or go vegan (so long as they don’t serve false food, aka vegan food pretending it’s something that’s not vegan. I like tofu fine, I hate fake tofumeat. About the only thing I can’t stomache are lies). Also, it was late unt I was tired and wrote poorly.
Chili is chile peppers. Meat, and tomatos blended fine. Adding beans and diced tomato makes it a different dish; Chili con carne. Using anything but kidney beans, and it’s Boston Red.
Chili con carne is literally “chili with meat”. It’s just a longer version of the name. Chili and chili con carne are the same thing. A broad name for the family of chili dishes. (some of which are heretical abominations, of course.)
The oldest versions didn’t have beans or tomatoes, but they’ve been part of it for a very long time.
…so does the entire former Shortpacked! cast aside from Robin, Leslie, Amber, and (for obvious reasons) Mike work at Galasso’s? Is that where Ethan’s been since the time skip?
Walky’s romance with Lucy seems to absolutely be based on his low sense of self worth. He’s not cultured or smart so he thinks a cultured smart girl who likes him is a prize, even if they have no chemistry.
I’ve been approaching it from the opposite direction, that Lucy’s been so into Walky at his most outwardly immature because she thinks that’s the best chance she’s got at someone liking her back.
Here in Naples, Italy (supposedly the birthplace of pizza) you usually need to use knife and fork at least at the beginning, because normally pizza is not already sliced. OK, we can also just fold it – so-called pizza a portafoglio – but you don’t do that if you’re seating in a pizzeria. Most people use their hands after slicing and maybe cutting the tip off each slice (Neapolitan pizza is kinda soft; a whole slice won’t stay nicely flat if you pick it up from its outer crust). That’s the way I eat it too. Some people prefer to use knife and fork all the way, and nobody shames them for it – apart from visiting New Yorkers, I suppose
Not from Naples but Italian, and I can confirm: we do use knives and forks for our pizzas, especially in restaurants. Pre-sliced is usually take-away food.
Very accurate, because as a New Yorker, I was already thinking about how if you need a knife and fork, it ain’t pizza. I am an unfortunate product of my upbringing.
Pizza, like a taco or a sandwich, is designed to be eaten by hand, possibly whilst using it to point. Yes, technically you can eat a sandwich with a fork, but I feel like it’s reasonable to say that if you are, someone somewhere has made an error. Pizza is the same.
(and I’m not even from New York. I’m from TX, where we disagree with literally the entire country about our state food)
I’ll never forget watching an Asian man try to pick up a pizza slice with chopsticks. Also, I lived in NYC for 14 years. I wasn’t impressed by their pizza.
I was on the bum in New York back in ’67. I used to get a slice at the place on 4th and MacDougal. Cost a quarter. Quarters were hard to come by, though, for a country boy who was too shy to panhandle.
I like that Walky was considerate enough to know Lucy wouldn’t want to have a date at her place of work, though obviously, he got a bit carried away here.
Do you mean the European country or the state? I think it was a much older culture though, and it may have been featured in National Geographic or something.
To start, I could give a crap about “New York Pizza”. Not that I dislike it, just… well I’m from PA. Philly area. We’ve got a whooooole lot of Italians living round here. New York does not have the sole claim to good pizza, and in fact as time rolls on the most that happens is their quality goes down as they feel they have an automatic lock on it.
But…
Chicago Deep Dish Pizza is not a Pizza. It is wrong to call it Pizza.
It is a tomato and cheese casserole.
It can be a very GOOD tomato and chese casserole, there is nothing WRONG with a tomato and cheese casserole.
Just don’t call it a fucking pizza. If you need a knife and fork to eat it, it’s not a pizza.
I would sooner accept someone call a calzone a pizza, or even a simple freaking tomato and cheese sandwich melt a pizza, before they call those casseroles a pizza.
That is a very small step above someone making a tomato soup, crushing in some oyster crackers and sprinkling in some parmesan and saying “Hey look, I made a pizza!”
New York’s pizza hangup is bullshit. To paraphrase renowned voice actor Mick Lauer: I could pick up a pizza in New York, drive it directly to an out-of-state New Yorker, and they’d still bongo that it wasn’t as good as the pizza back home.
The best slice of pizza I’ve ever had was in New York.
So were a LOT of average to mediocre slices. New York City may very well have the best pizza in country, but there’s a LOT of pizza joints there and most of them are not that. Averaging the quality of the pizza from all the different places that serve it in the city, I’d wager New York has worse pizza than a lot of places.
Also I’m from the suburbs outside of Philly and know what you’re talking about. The Italian Market is great.
Eat what you want. People have too many strong opinions about too many things, and barely any of those opinions matter even a little bit. Doubly so when it comes to food.
This painfully reminds me of my first relationship… first year of college, scruffy but lovable underachiever, I asked him when he started liking me on a nighttime stroll around campus… his answer was that he was too scared to shoot his shot with our hot friend, so he settled for me.
Yeah that was a dumpster fire
What I’m saying is that if Walky pulls that shit with Lucy, I will climb through my screen and beat him to death with my own trauma.
As an Italian I’ve see for decades people fight about food. How to cook it, the only right recipe, the total hate for the minim difference in a traditional dish. Discussion about what kind of breed is the best. What kind of pizza is good and what is not. And, of course, we are the best and the other countries are unable to cook. I’m so tired of this! It’s absurd!
There are parts of the US that recognise the Normal and Correct way of serving chips (okay, fine, “fries”)? I had no idea.
(If there are any other Scots reading this, especially Edinburgians, I am not interested in debating “chippy sauce”, unless the debate is whether it would be better to set it on fire, or just throw it in the Forth.)
Well. Intrigued by your comment, Taffy, I searched for Rhode Island cuisine. Google’s first suggestion was “Rhode Island-Style Calamari”. Now, I don’t know what abomination YOU were referring to, but calamari from the home state of Lovecraft? None for me, thanks! (Calamari in general is just wrong to me. Cephalopods are too smart to be thought of as food, and also, yuck.)
You haven’t lived until you’ve had clamcakes served in a brown paper bag (with a plastic packet containing a plastic knife and fork, a napkin, salt and pepper, and a wet wipe) and chased it down with either a cabinet or lemonade slush.
Non-american here – can someone help me understand this strip? Usually I get the references to American culture in DoA due to Internet osmosis, but this one escapes me completely. Is the joke that New Yorkers don’t eat pizza with their hands cause theyre fancy?
The joke is that New Yorkers take their pizza really serious and have very strict rules about what constitutes a ‘proper’ pizza, but they still eat with their hands. Actually New Yorkers take all their food seriously to the point where my High School had a small scale riot over whether ‘Nonnis or Bon Amici’s was the better sandwich shop. Personally I didn’t see the issue, since Bon Amici’s is a panini and deli shop while ‘Nonni’s serves primarily subs, but what are you going to do? They were disrespecting the best sandwich place in town!
“New York-style” pizza is a limp, meager, spineless thing that you fold like a soft taco and eat with your hands, and they’re incredibly defensive about it.
As a way to have fun I occasionally start a battle between Chicago/NY supporters for ‘best’ pizza. One of the easiest ways is to claim Chicago has the best foldable thin crust pizza, or that New York has somehow perfected the deep-dish.
Myself? Is there an appropriate amount of sauce to crust? I want to bite into a slice of pizza and taste flavors + cheese, I don’t want sauce to gush out or be an overpowered factor. That’s really all I care about in terms of ‘style’. Flavor does matter a lot, but that’s always subjective.
New Yorkers only eat pizza with their hands. To use a knife and fork is an abomination. New York Mayor De Blasio was mercilessly mocked when he was photographed eating pizza with a fork. Hence, Walky’s comment.
How DARE you berate our culture! You obviously just haven’t had REAL New York pizza or you’d know to shut your gob! You gots no respect I tells you! No respect!
I’m getting increasingly sad for Lucy… normally I have a lot of patience for the DoA cast but this scene reads increasingly as Walky not giving a shit about Lucy in any way shape or form. This dynamic is not a surprise and Walky has stumbled into a natural trap for the selfish and unmotivated. But ho boy does it piss me off.
(Too many memories of college boys just being absent in their relationships and the hurt feelings all around.)
And I feel bad for Lucy being a girlfriend of convenience. They don’t seem to be engaging much and I’m pretty sure Walky could have this conversation/date with an action figure and he wouldn’t act much different.
The last panel just really put a nail in the coffin with Walky yanking her arm around while he makes his point. He’s not choosing to actively hurt her or even been mean its just the lack of consideration (again) hurts Lucy. I just hope she wises up quickly and isn’t too badly hurt emotionally, or heck maybe Walky will realize what he’s doing or one of his friends will say something. But for now. I go c’mon Walky you’re a better kid than this.
I went to a pizza place in NYC that had rave reviews by online and passerby alike. And while I was 100% sure that the restaurant was a mob front, the pizza wasn’t bad. I actually enjoyed Domino’s better though. I submit that there are diminishing returns for fast food quality/taste. After a certain point, you really just can’t tell the difference.
My only pizza hot take is that “pineapple on pizza is bad” is something said by actual children who won’t go beyond their chicken tenders regardless of restaurant.
I’m not sure any of those things go together well.
Hawaiian works because of the particular combination of sweet, salty and acid of the pineapple, ham and tomato sauce. I don’t think adding heat (jalapenos) or replacing the acid with more fat is good. Sausage might be okay, but ham is simpler and works better, I suspect.
I admittedly like to experiment with flavors (in general, not just pizza) from time to time. Haven’t ever had anchovies yet, but the others I’ve all had individually on pizzas, so I’d be curious at least to see what they’re like together.
Mother Bear’s Pizza, a (apparently award-winning nationwide) pizzeria in the real-life location given to Galasso’s in-comic; we’ve seen a framed newspaper on the Galasso’s wall beforehand headlining “Mother Bear’s crushed under Galasso’s iron heel”. Delicious Taffy’s current gravatar is their real-life logo, which the hovertext also references.
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I just realised it’s been LITERAL YEARS since I’ve had pizza other than frozen
or like, maybe ONCE I impulse-bought a personal pan pizza from Target’s Food Avenue
Wow. I don’t think I could survive that long without pizza.
I try to eat healthy these days, but even then once a month I’m getting a pie from my best local place.
Not even homemade?
That is … horrifyingly sad. The difference between even the top-flight frozen pizzas and one from a decent brick-oven place is just STARK. Our local biergarten/pizzaria (yes, they brew on-site) makes a five-mushroom pizza on a white sauce base, drizzled with bleu cheese and truffle oil. It will change your life.
Yes but …sometimes the frozen pizza is a MUCH better option.
So far we have ordered from three different pizza Places in my City.
The first one, drowned the pizza in oil so it was really DRIPPING when i lift it up
The second one BURNED the pizza that the entire bottom side was Black.
The Third place got it to me half-cooked, last time i ever use a place that advertises with how “Fast” they delivered.
No thank you, i would even take a simple frozen margarita over them anytime.
I’ve had that first one… a place near the bar-crawl route in my town does pizzas where the orange grease crawls slowly up your hand as far as the wrist while you eat.
My girlfriend and I went to Old Town Sacramento last weekend, and I had a pizza slice and she had a salad for lunch. Authentic 1870’s Olde West Pizza.
Authentic 1870s Olde West pizza?
I presume you mean like they used to serve in those frontier towns like Napoli, Pisa, Roma, and Genoa back in Olde West Italy.
They ain’t called spaghetti westerns for nothin’. XD
Wouldn’t it be pretty stale by now?
Naw, they just zapped it in the steam powered microwave and it was all good.
Appropriate avatar is appropriate.
I have found Cheese-stuffed crusts in the frozen section and never looked back!
The best of frozen pizza is just sad. On the other hand, getting a ready-made crust and doing the rest yourself can come out pretty good.
Mix two cups flour, one cup water, one teaspoon salt one tablespoon yeast, a tablespoon of sugar to help the yeast get started, a dash of oil and knead. Pizza dough takes less than ten minutes to put together just remember to give the dough about two hours to rise. Your first few attempts probably won’t rise as much as you want but it will be usable and you’ll get the knack with repetition.
I’m lazy and just pay the store two bucks for a dough ball.
Works just as well and makes delicious pizza.
I’m a huge fan of making my own pizza dough as well. And you’re right, Pilgrim, it’s super easy and fast to put together but the stumbling block for most when it comes to homemade vs. frozen (or pre-made dough from the store) is the two hours to rise (and the ten minutes to knead). It the difference between pizza being a pre-planned “start in the morning to have by lunch” thing as opposed to a “dammit, I don’t really feel like much cooking, and I need to get something together quick or the kids/stomach is gonna scream, ooh pizza!” thing.
We usually make pizza on weekends. It’s a habit we got into when we lived eight miles past the end of the TV cable. Also canned diced tomatoes work much better than premade pizza sauce. And we do tend to keep a couple of frozen on hand for emergencies like hungry kids.
I did try homemade and botched it so badly it became like unleavened bread with toppings
I then tried premade dough and it STILL somehow didn’t work, basically the same as the homemade
All pizza is bad for me anyway (more than usual), so I don’t even care which I have. Yay dietary restrictions ruining everything
I want to try grilling a pizza. I’ve got the grill and a pizza stone, but laziness has been a stumbling block…
I buy a frozen plain cheese; pan fry Hamburg and fresh mushrooms; occasionally add spinach and cherry tomatoes and top it all off with another layer of cheese. And yeah, you need a fork and knife to eat it.
I also usually start with frozen plain cheese, although my toppings are usually way different. More likely to be some sauteed garlic and sun-dried tomatoes, maybe some thin-sliced chicken if i’m feeling saucy.
That sounds excellent.
Frozen pizza is so much cheaper than ordering, so I can’t blame you for that. There are some pizza places that start out charging you 12 USD for just a 10 inch, and then charge you whatever they feel like for each individual topping. By the time I get done making one personal pizza it’s 15-17 USD and I still have to get a separate pizza for my husband.
Meanwhile I can pick up a California Kitchen Sicilian pizza for 5.50 and call it good.
Before we moved there was a lovely chain called Mod Pizza that had a brick oven and they specialized in personal pizzas. I haven’t had the chance to see if there’s one nearby yet, so I’ll stick to my frozen pizzas for a while. Both the Pie Five and the Godfathers pizza have shut down, so the options left are not appealing. Though there is a joint called “Toppers” I might check out.
Oh, I know Mod Pizza! Lived in Denver for a year and every time I went it was great.
We took our kids to a Mod Pizza, and they asked where the pizza’s were…
Frozen can be improved immensely just by adding basil and oregano before baking. It won’t measure up to fresh or even starting with a pre-made crust, but the herbs help more than you’d believe.
Ana, no! I’ve got a pizza dough recipe that you can literally make in minutes, since it doesn’t require yeast, it just uses baking powder for leavening. You can top it with store bought sauce, pepperoni, mozzarella, whatever you want, you could literally start making pizza and be done within the hour! And It’s SO much better than frozen pizza! Even if you don’t have a pizza pan, the recipe is designed for a large cookie sheet anyway, because square pizza is better and I will fight anyone who says otherwise. If you or anyone wants me to drop the recipe, I will
I would be likely to give it a try. Once anyway.
Oh god, I typed all the recipe out and then the web page fucked up! Fun times
Okay, take 2:
This is made with a large baking sheet in mind; feel free to adjust the proportions down as necessary.
Knead together 3 cups of flour, 1 cup of milk, 1/3 cups of oil (olive or a neutral flavored one), 1 1.2 teaspoons salt, 3 teaspoons baking powder. It should be soft but not too sticky, and it’s very forgiving, feel free to mess with the proportions to get it to the desired consistency. Takes about 5-10 minutes.
Spread on a greased baking sheet, it will feel like there’s not enough put keep working it. Have 1 and 1/15 tablespoons of iol, dip your fingers and work it into the dough as needed, spread any excess on top. Takes about 5 minutes
To make sure the crust is cooked all the way through, I like to spread sauce on it now and then bake it in a 425 degree F. oven for about 10 minutes. This is sort of optional, but recommended, especially if you’re going to put a lot of toppings on. Which I do.
Add toppings and cheeses, I recommend pre-cooking things like hamburger and sausage. Cook for about another 10 minutes or so; I never time it, just check on it every few minutes until the cheese it my desired degree of melted and brown.
Cut into squares and enjoy! Unlike most pizzas I’ve ever had, this will warm up in the microwave just fine, and will not be chewy or tough. If you overload with toppings you might need to eat with a fork; this is fine. All told it should be ready within an hour, unless you spend a lot of time cooking lots of toppings. I like to do pepperoni, hamburger, sausage (country, italian, or both), sun-dried tomatoes, bacon or guanciale, plus onions, garlic, and peppers cooked in a red or white wine reduction, and a mixture of mozzarella and provolon cheeses. Also a fan of breakfast pizza, replace the sauce with sausage gravy, top with sauteed mushrooms, bacon, scrambled eggs, cheddar cheese, and top with sunny-side up eggs. Or a seafood pizza, with scampi or alfredo sauce, shrimp, scallops, and crab. Do whatever!
There’s nothing wrong with frozen pizza. My brother eats it semi-regularly.
Wow. That’s an unexpected trigger Walky has.
Walky has some strong beliefs, not when it comes to religion or politics, but for food? Hell yeah.
As a cook I understand the feeling entirely
For example, one of the easiest ways to tick me off is by adding too much garlic to “traditional” Italian recipes. I worked under a man who spent 12 years in Italy learning those recipes, they don’t need that much garlic!!!
That’s depend of the dishes. Bagna cauda requires a lot or garlic.
As does a real aioli.
Yes, there’s dishes that do require larger amounts of garlic. I’m specifically talking about ones that don’t require much (if any) garlic. Dishes such as Parmigiana di Melanazane (don’t get me started on how many places I’ve been that insist on adding garlic to their tomato sauce for this) or a nice carbonara where I swear they add 3 or 4 cloves for no reason… drives me insane
sorry, manic garlic eater her… couldn’t it be that it depends from the type of regional “italian”cuisine… I mean italian doesn’t really mean a thing until late 19th.. and still are contempted by some rumanol speakers or whatev…
like bagna cauda is only a thing “italian” cooks define as italian but wasn’t until piemontese winemakers got hold of a pronvencal recipe… and then only much later when some piemontese defined themeselves as italian…
Also most of “traditional” recipes were either “invented” by court cooks who were rarely from the place the dishes now are thought to originate of, either “collected” by 19th urban floklorists… I don’t know as precisely for Itay as I know for France but our culinary histories are sufficiently intricated (wtf is Provence anyway, or Lombardia) that I know a bit.
For those saying “but the nonna said”, remember those nonnas are as well subject to recreating or remembering thing that didn’t existed, especially when there’s a strong popular link to a social identity to it. Also tomato isn’t even an european product. Nations are constructs, and cuisine a byproduct of their construction.
tl;dr: I agree with Walky there but in a much more pedantic way, that there is no such thing as a traditional recipe nowadays. Unless you go to unaccultured tribes – which rarely write an history of them down, so you can’t even be sure
Just because the history is a tapestry of interwoven influences and cross connects, does not mean that something is not traditional. Traditions are awesome and provide small social-tribal groups identity and a sense of family and belonging. They are rather vital to our primitive self’s feeling of safety and that should not be neglected. That said, when a tradition goes from welcoming and nuturing, to being about ostracizing or excluding, then it, and the jerk making someone be excluded should be tossed or changed.
You’re right, I’m sorry I somehow didn’t said what I had in mind what was that tradition used to back up nationalism (for nations competing with each other) is bullshit since what defines a nation is moving and cannot in any way be taken without a grain or salt (or garlic).
Also all traditions are not awesome, but I guess since we have different traditions of interpreting things, then I guess it’s better for me to consider my own tradition as questionable in this sense
Joyce and Walky truly are two sides of the same neurotic coin.
This is Walky’s hill, and Lucy’s wrist will die on it.
As a New Yorker, he’s not wrong, but I’m still offended.
Pizza Gatekeeping is our thing.
Only heretics and parents with at least 2 children are allowed to eat Pizza with a knife and fork.
there’s a scene in beyblade where a guy talks about how civilized it is to eat pizza with a knife and fork. That scene lives in my head rent free, even though I haven’t seen it in like 5 years.
doncha know pally? it’s all about boigah.
*gasp* Have da Boiga Bruddahs returned? After all this time?
Hate is a strong word and is overused but I really dislike Walky
How could you dislike a man willing to vocalize such disdain for pizza snobs?! We should all be so lucky as to have such passion and courage.
Just the whole idea of Walky really, hes short, smelly, lazy, has no plans (or clues) about the future, until recently he thought girls were icky, has extremely questionable ideas on masculinity yet in spite of all that this is now the third girl to have fallen for him
Amber and Sal are basically superhuman yet this is probably the most unrealistic aspect of the comic
he’s a college freshman, none of that is all that unusual?
In that case I wish I’d gone to an american college
it doesn’t work for everyone, you have to be a minimum level of outgoing and personable, but walky is both of those things. he’s a twerp, but he’s not a shy twerp or a mean one, and that’s a lot when everyone else is figuring out their stuff, too.
Sweet, summer child.
I think, and this is just speaking from my perspective, it’s also because none of his flaws have really had negative repercussions. He’s failing math? That’s okay, Amber fixed his grades. His diet is terrible? Well he’s been blessed with a metabolism that still gives him some semblance of abs. He’s dirty and smelly? Well he still gets three girls and apparently has shaggy hair so powerful it makes people who intensely dislike him start to think he’s attractive.
His biggest ‘problem’ has been his lack of confidence re: math, which seems pretty low stakes compared to half the other personal problems going on.
also dude got dumped twice by girls he really liked for being a flake, it’s not like he’s had a charmed dating life
Not really? With Dorothy it was basically a mutual decision since she needed to focus on her studies. With Amber we don’t really know what happened.
he’s a decent person, and recognized that he was a distraction, but he clearly wanted to keep dating her, and he’s still hanging around amber even though she’s been very clear that she doesn’t want him to; whatever happened around Halloween, he doesn’t seem to have been the one to break things up. and regardless of the specifics, his relationships have been intense and short-lived in ways that haven’t made him happy. he isn’t cheerfully bedhopping the way ethan was, say.
Ehhhh he was ready to break up with Dorothy even if he didn’t want to. And after their break-up, it was Dorothy who re-instigated things every time. At worst his crime then was not firmly setting boundaries with an ex he still had feelings for. He wasn’t perfect there, but I’d put more blame on that section on Dorothy.
he’s doing better than danny—his breakups haven’t had to be quite so blunt—but my point here is that his dating life hasn’t been charmed. he’s gotten hurt because he’s not great at dating, and that’s one of the lifeskills he needs to learn. saying that he’s living the life of riley just because three women dated him over the course of a year is ignoring all that.
also can i just say that it is ridiculous that we’re both joes for this conversation
Joeception?
Maybe one of you isn’t Joe but a younger Richard Rosenthal.
Smelly and lazy, sure, but you’re really listing “short” as something that should be held against him? Wtf?
I guess when you dislike someone you throw everything into the mix though when I was at uni if you were short you better have a great game
don’t have to have game when you’re the prize, not the player, my dude
Believing you’re the prize and having it work /is/ having great “game”. Y’know, if that’s the approach you want to have with partners.
I mean he’s a physically attractive but unintimidating guy, so I get why he’s gotten a lot of attent
Walky is smelly? I don’t see wavy lines coming off of him, or people seeming to mind it.
Jennifer once referred to his “funk” iirc. Years and years ago, so I’m not up to the task of finding it however.
I think the smelly comment is just a general assumption based on his history of bad hygiene which is probably the fairest critique you can make of Walky. He does apparently have a wart or something on his taint.
I suspect it’s a real thing, but blown massively out of proportion by readers who don’t like him.
It was a zit. They happen, in sometimes unfortunate places, even if you are hygienic (granted, Walky isn’t the best at hygiene but even so).
Dislike, but maybe not quite as much as I used to.
I agree with Walky 1000% on this. Never understood the insane pizza culture fights
Walky, it’s not polite to drag someone across the table you are eating on, on a first date.
If it turns out they’re into that, you can do it second date.
If I’m not mistaken, Chicago has a signifier over ketchup on hotdogs that’s equally intense, if not more.
Yep. Don’t you DARE put ketchup on a hotdog in Chicago or they’ll stab you. I’m fine with that; never been a huge ketchup fan anyway. Mustard all the way. But, Chicago’s obsession with deep dish pizza? Insane. It’s a tomato sauce pie, not a pizza. Yuck.
Quite agree. Thin-crust pizza is the only pizza.
I’ll happily take that thin crust a step further and make is a cracker crust. A bit of provel wouldn’t go amiss now and then, either.
Remember when counter tops were white Formica with gold flecks? My parents would roll out the dough until they could see the gold through it.
This gentleman has been to St. Louis.
Yeah, Chicago’s pizza is nuts. Sauce on top of the cheese? What the hell?
Deep dish is a rare treat or what you take your out-of-town relatives to get.
Most of us eat Chicago-style thin crust. And unlike NY-style you don’t need to fold it like a taco to eat with your hands.
When I stopped in Chicago on a road trip I observed that wasn’t nearly as much sauce on the pizza as I expected but it had a full inch of Mozzarella which I must begrudgingly respect.
If you order an extra cheese pie in Chicago you are legally required to write letters of apology to every citizen of Wisconsin because they will be without cheese for the next week in order to make your pizza
Hi, citizen of Wisconsin here. You severely underestimate how much cheese we have. We even wear it on our heads because there’s so much cheese.
You ain’t kidding. I took a road trip through Wisconsin once and where most states have signs that said Food – Gas – Lodging, in Wisconsin it’s Food – Gas – Lodging – Cheese. Because every rest area has a cheese shop. I think I gained 5 pounds just eating cheese curds while driving across the state.
Another citizen of Wisconsin here. Go ahead, cheese it up. We’ll make more.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
As a fellow cheesehead, I agree whole-cheesedly with Andy and Bicycle Bill.
ChrisM, you traveled Wisconsin properly. Well done.
Ugh yes. Come to WNY where we have better hot dogs to begin with and we won’t shame you for whatever you want to put on them. Ketchup on a Zweigle’s red hot with a slightly toasted bun is hot dog perfection and Chicago doesn’t get to say anything about it. But if you want your hot dog to be an ingredient in a larger masterpiece you put those Zweigle’s red hoots into mac salad, home fries, and whatever is included in “everything” (don’t ask too many questions) and you’ve achieved the masterpiece that is the Garbage Plate. Anybody who wants to argue has to try one before they can try fighting any Rochestarian. But they’ll have to fight in the snow and ice so the Rochestarian will win.
As a Texan, I just can’t understand arguing over pizza like it was something important like whether beans have any place in chili.
I suppose the application beans in chili comes down to taste, type, and a preference for red-meat driven colon cancer later in life or not.
To all of you foodies out there, should I get the chance to sit with you and experience your ideal cuisine, I will happily have it the way you would have it. Because this is what makes life a grand adventure: diversity and experience.
You do know that it only increases cancer risk by 1% right? You have a much higher risk of getting cancer just by not wearing sunblock!
I didn’t check the exact data for the purpose of my post and will happily eat cow or go vegan (so long as they don’t serve false food, aka vegan food pretending it’s something that’s not vegan. I like tofu fine, I hate fake tofumeat. About the only thing I can’t stomache are lies). Also, it was late unt I was tired and wrote poorly.
The only beanless chili I’ve ever had was cooked by an absolute freak who couldn’t be trusted with anything.
Chili is chile peppers. Meat, and tomatos blended fine. Adding beans and diced tomato makes it a different dish; Chili con carne. Using anything but kidney beans, and it’s Boston Red.
Adding noodles is just cracked, though.
Chili con carne is literally “chili with meat”. It’s just a longer version of the name. Chili and chili con carne are the same thing. A broad name for the family of chili dishes. (some of which are heretical abominations, of course.)
The oldest versions didn’t have beans or tomatoes, but they’ve been part of it for a very long time.
Who the fuck is putting noodles in chili? I just wanna talk.
Don’t be ridiculous. No one puts noodles in chili.
You put the chili on the noodles like a civilized person. At least if you’re in Cincinnati.
It’s not really chili though – different spices, comes out of a different tradition entirely.
I’ve cut her out of my life for unrelated reasons.
Or which Carolina has the best BBQ.
I’m gonna guess North, because I’m loath to give any credit to anything labeled “South”.
Oh and Clif, I answered your query about traffic lights in yesterdays thread.
ok, thanks, *goes back to look*
Thanks. Canada and the frozen northlands it is.
With the- oh.
If there’s only one pizzeria in a college area, you know something’s wrong.
Chances are, the something that is wrong is that it’s still a co.pany town.
*company town
Why am I so afraid that Lucy’s going to be more invested in this relationship than Walky is and end up getting her heart broken?
I hope I’m just being a pessimist. I want good things for Lucy. I mean, look at her! She deserves all the good things.
I feel like if not that, then lucy is gonna realize she doesn’t like him as much as she thought she did
As Booster aptly put it: she can do better
She’s about to get her *wrist* broken.
But, two weeks later:
Lucy: “Dorothy, can you take Walky back? Please?”
…so does the entire former Shortpacked! cast aside from Robin, Leslie, Amber, and (for obvious reasons) Mike work at Galasso’s? Is that where Ethan’s been since the time skip?
No, so far it’s just Galasso, Conquest, Pamela, Lucy, Ken, Becky and recently Jason. Sydney used to but then got fired.
Sayid. He works there as well.
Not Faz, of course. And I thought we saw Sydney Yus in some other capacity in this series too.
Malaya is also counter-accounted for.
Hey Stephen, what ever happened to your Muzak?
It’s around. Don’t have to do the schtick every night. Heck, sometimes Willis beats me to it!
DoA!Sydney Yus was introduced as an employee of Galasso’s who was fired after she deliberately served Dina and Becky a veggie pizza instead of the “strictly carnivorous” one Dina had wanted. She has since returned to working there after returning in disguise, only to discover that Galasso had forgotten that she’d been fired to begin with.
Nor Jacob or Carla. Nor Roz, although actually I’m not sure she ever worked at Shortpacked! either.
She’s never worked there, pretty sure Robin would explode if she had to work beside her family daily.
It’s Ken, Lucy and Sydney, plus Galasso’s immediate family, but that’s it
Hey, I guess Dorothy’s use of jag really is spreading.
Yeah!!! FUCK New York!
Walky’s romance with Lucy seems to absolutely be based on his low sense of self worth. He’s not cultured or smart so he thinks a cultured smart girl who likes him is a prize, even if they have no chemistry.
I don’t see this relationship going far unless Walky changes a bit.
I’ve been approaching it from the opposite direction, that Lucy’s been so into Walky at his most outwardly immature because she thinks that’s the best chance she’s got at someone liking her back.
What could make for a more solid and enduring relationship than a mutual lack of self esteem.?
If a pizza requires a knife and fork to eat, it’s not a pizza but rather a casserole.
Or an unfolded calzone
if you don’t need a knife and fork to eat a pizza, it’s not pizza but actually a sandwich
…An open-faced sandwich?
Are pizzas and sandwiches really mutually exclusive categories?
I’ve always thought pizza is finger food. And I don’t understand why anyone likes deep dish “Chicago” style pizza.
If you fold a pizza slice, does it become a taco?
Here in Naples, Italy (supposedly the birthplace of pizza) you usually need to use knife and fork at least at the beginning, because normally pizza is not already sliced. OK, we can also just fold it – so-called pizza a portafoglio – but you don’t do that if you’re seating in a pizzeria. Most people use their hands after slicing and maybe cutting the tip off each slice (Neapolitan pizza is kinda soft; a whole slice won’t stay nicely flat if you pick it up from its outer crust). That’s the way I eat it too. Some people prefer to use knife and fork all the way, and nobody shames them for it – apart from visiting New Yorkers, I suppose
I wonder if I’m the only Neapolitan DoA reader…
Not from Naples but Italian, and I can confirm: we do use knives and forks for our pizzas, especially in restaurants. Pre-sliced is usually take-away food.
Or you’ve loaded it with too many toppings.
…. or exactly the right number of toppings.
Very accurate, because as a New Yorker, I was already thinking about how if you need a knife and fork, it ain’t pizza. I am an unfortunate product of my upbringing.
As someone who loves deep dish, I must respectfully disagree. Amd I’m not even from a state that prioritizes pizza.
I’m from the Midwest, and I’m gonna have to agree with you on pizza.
Pizza, like a taco or a sandwich, is designed to be eaten by hand, possibly whilst using it to point. Yes, technically you can eat a sandwich with a fork, but I feel like it’s reasonable to say that if you are, someone somewhere has made an error. Pizza is the same.
(and I’m not even from New York. I’m from TX, where we disagree with literally the entire country about our state food)
I’ll never forget watching an Asian man try to pick up a pizza slice with chopsticks. Also, I lived in NYC for 14 years. I wasn’t impressed by their pizza.
Clearly you never got a New York slice at a real pizza joint, then.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgEeDR98X8
/s
I was on the bum in New York back in ’67. I used to get a slice at the place on 4th and MacDougal. Cost a quarter. Quarters were hard to come by, though, for a country boy who was too shy to panhandle.
I can respect people for their pizza related choices, though I must admit I do not understand.
And awww, hand holding. <3
I like that Walky was considerate enough to know Lucy wouldn’t want to have a date at her place of work, though obviously, he got a bit carried away here.
who was it that said Walky had no passion?
https://imgur.com/a/LZPD8sr
Just a quick doodle.
Very cute!
10/10
*Plays “Abracadabra” on Voxola PR-76*
Also, kudos for not having them act outside of character. Great work!
Which one, the Alan Parsons version, or the late 40s swing version.
Steve Miller’s version.
Yay!
Yotomoe, do you have a website for ALL your art?
Yotomoe1 on twitter o3o I also got a discord.
♡♡♡
Little does Daisy know, she’s potentially in for one hell of a treat.
If want wonder if I could ever get a girlfriend that lets me connect the dots of her freckles with a water soluble marker. That’d be pretty fun/kinky.
I think there was once a culture on earth that actually did that with soft coal to predict the future. I can’t remember it’s name, though.
See, my first instinct was to say “fuckin’ [Irish Pejorative]s”, but I think it might actually just be people from Georgia.
Do you mean the European country or the state? I think it was a much older culture though, and it may have been featured in National Geographic or something.
Huh. Thanks for giving me a new idea yotomoe
Very nice.
Oooooh!
Just buy the slipshine like everyone else to find out, Daisy
Wait, is this Lucy’s first relationship?
Can’t remember if it was ever stated, but it certainly FEELS like it.
She stated she wasn’t popular in high school, but unpopular people still find significant others, so who knows?
…”titty bear”
You’re goddamn right, “titty bear”.
Ursine honkers.
Arktik Paridae.
are you telling me this place has a sign with bear titties on it??
https://motherbearspizza.com/
The real world place Galasso’s is based on.
aha, sure but, “bear titties”??? wink wink nudge nudge! ok nevermind
Say no more.
Are you ready for this, Lucy? <3 Are you ready for this ALL THE TIME??? <3 <3
To start, I could give a crap about “New York Pizza”. Not that I dislike it, just… well I’m from PA. Philly area. We’ve got a whooooole lot of Italians living round here. New York does not have the sole claim to good pizza, and in fact as time rolls on the most that happens is their quality goes down as they feel they have an automatic lock on it.
But…
Chicago Deep Dish Pizza is not a Pizza. It is wrong to call it Pizza.
It is a tomato and cheese casserole.
It can be a very GOOD tomato and chese casserole, there is nothing WRONG with a tomato and cheese casserole.
Just don’t call it a fucking pizza. If you need a knife and fork to eat it, it’s not a pizza.
I would sooner accept someone call a calzone a pizza, or even a simple freaking tomato and cheese sandwich melt a pizza, before they call those casseroles a pizza.
That is a very small step above someone making a tomato soup, crushing in some oyster crackers and sprinkling in some parmesan and saying “Hey look, I made a pizza!”
New York’s pizza hangup is bullshit. To paraphrase renowned voice actor Mick Lauer: I could pick up a pizza in New York, drive it directly to an out-of-state New Yorker, and they’d still bongo that it wasn’t as good as the pizza back home.
The best slice of pizza I’ve ever had was in New York.
So were a LOT of average to mediocre slices. New York City may very well have the best pizza in country, but there’s a LOT of pizza joints there and most of them are not that. Averaging the quality of the pizza from all the different places that serve it in the city, I’d wager New York has worse pizza than a lot of places.
Also I’m from the suburbs outside of Philly and know what you’re talking about. The Italian Market is great.
I pretty much entirely agree with Jon Stewart’s rant about deep dish pizza.
What about the thin crust pizzas from places like Uno’s, where they cut it into squares instead of wedges? That’s also knife-and-fork stuff.
I am now scared to eat pizza, frozen or otherwise. People have OPINIONS.
Eat what you want. People have too many strong opinions about too many things, and barely any of those opinions matter even a little bit. Doubly so when it comes to food.
+1
Nothing wrong with (jokingly) arguing about food, like in today’s comments, as long as no one takes it too seriously.
+10 for the perfect Gravatar.
That’s some seriously cute hand holding in panel one.
This painfully reminds me of my first relationship… first year of college, scruffy but lovable underachiever, I asked him when he started liking me on a nighttime stroll around campus… his answer was that he was too scared to shoot his shot with our hot friend, so he settled for me.
Yeah that was a dumpster fire
What I’m saying is that if Walky pulls that shit with Lucy, I will climb through my screen and beat him to death with my own trauma.
Fair
As an Italian I’ve see for decades people fight about food. How to cook it, the only right recipe, the total hate for the minim difference in a traditional dish. Discussion about what kind of breed is the best. What kind of pizza is good and what is not. And, of course, we are the best and the other countries are unable to cook. I’m so tired of this! It’s absurd!
Look, as long as you’re not French, you can feel secure in your home country’s cuisine.
Almost forgot, that includes Rhode Island and I will NOT elaborate. They know what they did.
If vinegar on fries is wrong, I don’t want to be right.
(But ketchup is for dipping, not spattering all over the entire order of fries.)
There are parts of the US that recognise the Normal and Correct way of serving chips (okay, fine, “fries”)? I had no idea.
(If there are any other Scots reading this, especially Edinburgians, I am not interested in debating “chippy sauce”, unless the debate is whether it would be better to set it on fire, or just throw it in the Forth.)
Well. Intrigued by your comment, Taffy, I searched for Rhode Island cuisine. Google’s first suggestion was “Rhode Island-Style Calamari”. Now, I don’t know what abomination YOU were referring to, but calamari from the home state of Lovecraft? None for me, thanks! (Calamari in general is just wrong to me. Cephalopods are too smart to be thought of as food, and also, yuck.)
You haven’t lived until you’ve had clamcakes served in a brown paper bag (with a plastic packet containing a plastic knife and fork, a napkin, salt and pepper, and a wet wipe) and chased it down with either a cabinet or lemonade slush.
(Calamari in general is just wrong to me. Cephalopods are too smart to be thought of as food, and also, yuck.)
…tentacle hentai will do that to you.
Note to self. Ranting and hand holding do not go hand in….
…. er… wait….
A classic example of what my SO describes as “The Bunny Death Grip”.
panel 5: in which
WillisWalky literally turns to face the fourth wall and directly address the readers.Non-american here – can someone help me understand this strip? Usually I get the references to American culture in DoA due to Internet osmosis, but this one escapes me completely. Is the joke that New Yorkers don’t eat pizza with their hands cause theyre fancy?
The joke is that New Yorkers take their pizza really serious and have very strict rules about what constitutes a ‘proper’ pizza, but they still eat with their hands. Actually New Yorkers take all their food seriously to the point where my High School had a small scale riot over whether ‘Nonnis or Bon Amici’s was the better sandwich shop. Personally I didn’t see the issue, since Bon Amici’s is a panini and deli shop while ‘Nonni’s serves primarily subs, but what are you going to do? They were disrespecting the best sandwich place in town!
“New York-style” pizza is a limp, meager, spineless thing that you fold like a soft taco and eat with your hands, and they’re incredibly defensive about it.
You take that back.
As a way to have fun I occasionally start a battle between Chicago/NY supporters for ‘best’ pizza. One of the easiest ways is to claim Chicago has the best foldable thin crust pizza, or that New York has somehow perfected the deep-dish.
Myself? Is there an appropriate amount of sauce to crust? I want to bite into a slice of pizza and taste flavors + cheese, I don’t want sauce to gush out or be an overpowered factor. That’s really all I care about in terms of ‘style’. Flavor does matter a lot, but that’s always subjective.
New Yorkers only eat pizza with their hands. To use a knife and fork is an abomination. New York Mayor De Blasio was mercilessly mocked when he was photographed eating pizza with a fork. Hence, Walky’s comment.
The proper way to eat pizza is to plant your face in it.
Walky, it’s probably not a good idea to accidentally nearly break your girlfriend’s wrist on the first date. Just FYI.
How DARE you berate our culture! You obviously just haven’t had REAL New York pizza or you’d know to shut your gob! You gots no respect I tells you! No respect!
Is Mad Mushroom no longer the Bloomington pizza place? I’ve been away for too long.
I’m getting increasingly sad for Lucy… normally I have a lot of patience for the DoA cast but this scene reads increasingly as Walky not giving a shit about Lucy in any way shape or form. This dynamic is not a surprise and Walky has stumbled into a natural trap for the selfish and unmotivated. But ho boy does it piss me off.
(Too many memories of college boys just being absent in their relationships and the hurt feelings all around.)
Agreed.
You have accepted a great responsibility, Walky. Nerd girls need love too. Don’t mess this up.
I’m. Really not sure where you’re getting all that, beyond maybe projection based on that last line
Can’t speak for Lorien but personally I just don’t see it as a very engaging arc… it’s obviously not going anywhere…
Perhaps put more clearly?
He just doesn’t seem that interested in her.
And I feel bad for Lucy being a girlfriend of convenience. They don’t seem to be engaging much and I’m pretty sure Walky could have this conversation/date with an action figure and he wouldn’t act much different.
The last panel just really put a nail in the coffin with Walky yanking her arm around while he makes his point. He’s not choosing to actively hurt her or even been mean its just the lack of consideration (again) hurts Lucy. I just hope she wises up quickly and isn’t too badly hurt emotionally, or heck maybe Walky will realize what he’s doing or one of his friends will say something. But for now. I go
c’mon Walky you’re a better kid than this.
The dangers of hand-holding.
Has Walky ever manically yelled at the comments section before? I find it charming in a Lewis Black kind of way.
A college town that’s not literally awash in pizza joints?
I went to a pizza place in NYC that had rave reviews by online and passerby alike. And while I was 100% sure that the restaurant was a mob front, the pizza wasn’t bad. I actually enjoyed Domino’s better though. I submit that there are diminishing returns for fast food quality/taste. After a certain point, you really just can’t tell the difference.
*Jon Stewart intensifies*
An easy way to start a fight is to say pineapple and pizza in the same sentence.
Pizza, pepper, potato, and pineapple are all foods that start with P.
Well played, good sir.
My only pizza hot take is that “pineapple on pizza is bad” is something said by actual children who won’t go beyond their chicken tenders regardless of restaurant.
It’s okay, you’re allowed to be wrong about disgusting pizza toppings
They’re allowed to be wrong, but they aren’t in this case
yeah, bacon on pizza is a lot grosser.
I once had a pizza delivered by mistake to my home. The toppings were sausage, anchovies, pineapple, and jalapeños. The sauce was Alfredo.
Would you have eaten it? I tried a slice and judged it to be toxic waste.
Take away the anchovies and I’ll take the whole box
I’m not sure any of those things go together well.
Hawaiian works because of the particular combination of sweet, salty and acid of the pineapple, ham and tomato sauce. I don’t think adding heat (jalapenos) or replacing the acid with more fat is good. Sausage might be okay, but ham is simpler and works better, I suspect.
I admittedly like to experiment with flavors (in general, not just pizza) from time to time. Haven’t ever had anchovies yet, but the others I’ve all had individually on pizzas, so I’d be curious at least to see what they’re like together.
Pineapple is bad, regardless of what it’s on. It’s just a vile conglomeration of hate and yellow that has masqueraded as fruit for entirely too long.
Spencer continuing to have the good opinions
…Galasso forced a rival out of town. Like the Mob
What’s the place that used to be Galasso’s a reference to?
Mother Bear’s Pizza, a (apparently award-winning nationwide) pizzeria in the real-life location given to Galasso’s in-comic; we’ve seen a framed newspaper on the Galasso’s wall beforehand headlining “Mother Bear’s crushed under Galasso’s iron heel”. Delicious Taffy’s current gravatar is their real-life logo, which the hovertext also references.
You can’t prove anything. I was framed.
pizza opinions!!!!!
We got a burrito down!
Red alert!