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February 27, 2026

Never leave

by David M Willis on December 21, 2021 at 12:01 am
  • 02 – I'll Leave You A Phantom
└ Tags: amber, mike

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    December 21, 2021 at 12:03 am | #

    SENPAI, YOU NOTICED

    • Deanatay
      Deanatay
      December 21, 2021 at 8:46 am | #

      I mean, obvs

  2. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    December 21, 2021 at 12:05 am | #

    Mike : “duh ?!”

  3. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    December 21, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

    Alright so she was trying to get people to dislike her. Decent tactics for it, honestly.

  4. The Wellerman
    The Wellerman
    December 21, 2021 at 12:07 am | #

    Tulpa or Alter or something else, it looks like Brain Mike has achieved self-awareness.

    Now what?

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      December 21, 2021 at 12:11 am | #

      You call the Ghostbusters.

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        December 21, 2021 at 12:13 am | #

        But Doctor, surely YOU’RE more qualified to deal with these kinds of phenomena?

        • Doctor_Who
          Doctor_Who
          December 21, 2021 at 12:16 am | #

          The Doctor actually has a history themselves of hallucinating deceased/departed friends during traumatic moments.

          So maybe not the best person to ask. “Oh, that’s normal, she’s just about to regenerate into a new form.”

          • The Wellerman
            The Wellerman
            December 21, 2021 at 12:20 am | #

            Well if ya call the Ghostbusters, it’s a 50/50 split between spawning a portal to Marshmallow Hell at the best and the proton streams crossing and ending all life at the worse.

            Your call doc!

            • Abel Undercity
              Abel Undercity
              December 21, 2021 at 9:01 am | #

              And after it’s all over, there’s a high probability of a lawsuit.

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      December 21, 2021 at 12:18 am | #

      He’s a harbinger of Skynet, or whatever they’re calling it now.

      • begbert2
        begbert2
        December 21, 2021 at 1:30 am | #

        Facebook.

        • Clif
          Clif
          December 21, 2021 at 2:02 am | #

          No fair making me laugh while I’m drinking coffee.

        • powerpowerpow
          powerpowerpow
          December 21, 2021 at 7:07 am | #

          Well if it’s what they’re calling it now then I suppose it’s Meta.

          • TheScreenJockey
            TheScreenJockey
            December 21, 2021 at 10:51 am | #

            It’s only called “Meta” in the same sense that the company that owns Google is technically called “Alphabet, Inc.”

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          December 21, 2021 at 7:23 am | #

          They’re not going to stop until we’re living like the humans in Wall-E and paying a monthly subscription for the privilege, are they…

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          December 21, 2021 at 8:29 am | #

          Meta

    • Kirt Dankmyer
      Kirt Dankmyer
      December 21, 2021 at 10:47 am | #

      Now you have to push him over to the original Walkyverse where his Tulpa ass can manifest in full as a latent Martian superpower to fight the Soggies or something.

  5. Svata
    Svata
    December 21, 2021 at 12:13 am | #

    “Yeah, no shit, obviously I am”

  6. crow
    crow
    December 21, 2021 at 12:16 am | #

    Your mom’s a cry for help

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      December 21, 2021 at 12:19 am | #

      If only therapy cost a nickel like your mom does.

      • Ed Rhodes
        Ed Rhodes
        December 21, 2021 at 12:25 am | #

        Well, if you can find Lucy, in her psychiatric booth, it will!

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          December 21, 2021 at 7:25 am | #

          That’s only for the psychological trauma she inflicts.

          (Have to admit, that’s a pretty good racket she was running against good ol’ Charlie Brown. Build him back up so she could knock him right back down again.)

          • StClair
            StClair
            December 21, 2021 at 9:24 pm | #

            *pulls football away, walks up to him lying on his back on the ground*

            “Five cents, please.”

          • The Wellerman
            The Wellerman
            December 21, 2021 at 10:10 pm | #

            In a capitalist society, it is rather wise NOT to take advice from people who give advice for a living.

          • crow
            crow
            December 22, 2021 at 12:03 am | #

            It’s the Lucy Industrial Complex

    • Rabid Rabbit
      Rabid Rabbit
      December 21, 2021 at 1:58 am | #

      Amber’s mom cried for help. And found it. Or at least, Richard definitely helped her to something. Wah-hey.

  7. Romanticide
    Romanticide
    December 21, 2021 at 12:17 am | #

    this is one hell of a moment…

  8. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    December 21, 2021 at 12:18 am | #

    *the guitar jam at the end of “Hotel California” plays on the hacked Muzak*
    (It was either that or Rick Astley’s “Cry For Help”.)

    • Pilgrim
      Pilgrim
      December 21, 2021 at 6:51 am | #

      “How can I miss you if you won’t ever leave?” by the Shirtless Biddles. Bonus points for being an Indiana Band

  9. audkitten
    audkitten
    December 21, 2021 at 12:18 am | #

    I’m still upset that Mike is dead, but I also like the Mike in Amber’s head.

    • Gnoka
      Gnoka
      December 21, 2021 at 12:31 am | #

      Personally, I’m holding onto the delusional headcanon that he’s in witness protection from the mob.

      • WanderingLynx
        WanderingLynx
        December 21, 2021 at 12:46 am | #

        +1, we might never get to see it refuted nor confirmed, which actually helps to hold onto the delusion.

        (I did wonder if Booster was Mike for a hot second, but there’s a lot of reasons it’s not them.)

        • King Daniel
          King Daniel
          December 21, 2021 at 1:49 am | #

          Willis actually updated Mike’s entry on the site cast page to say that he’s dead, which might count as an “official” confirmation that he’s dead if anything does.

          • Clif
            Clif
            December 21, 2021 at 2:04 am | #

            Mike’s been officially dead before.

            • The Wellerman
              The Wellerman
              December 21, 2021 at 2:14 am | #

              SAUCE?

              • Needfuldoer
                Needfuldoer
                December 21, 2021 at 7:30 am | #

                That was in the old sci-fi continuity. Mike died in the climactic battle at the end of It’s Walky!, only to inexplicably reappear in Shortpacked! for the lulz. (His reappearance was explained years later.) This was a universe where resurrection technology existed, and he wasn’t the only character to come back.

                • Opus the Poet
                  Opus the Poet
                  December 21, 2021 at 1:40 pm | #

                  They brought back Reagan and Historical Jesus, among others.

                • King Daniel
                  King Daniel
                  December 21, 2021 at 3:26 pm | #

                  Also Walky himself was killed and brought back from the dead, and several minor characters were mentioned to be in a “waiting line” to be resurrected.

            • Bicycle Bill
              Bicycle Bill
              December 21, 2021 at 3:49 am | #

              Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much.  It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead.  There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead.  Mostly dead is slightly alive.  With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.

              • Plain Marie
                Plain Marie
                December 21, 2021 at 8:40 am | #

                hahaha! So apparently your friend here is only literally dead. If he were figuratively dead, he could nag you like he was alive. Oh, wait.

              • Deanatay
                Deanatay
                December 21, 2021 at 8:51 am | #

                Go through his pockets and look for loose change!

            • temperaryobsessor
              temperaryobsessor
              December 21, 2021 at 7:04 am | #

              Yea but this stories less sci fi.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        December 21, 2021 at 8:32 am | #

        Got to admit, inside Amber’s head is a place the mob is unlikely to look.

    • Harmony
      Harmony
      December 21, 2021 at 3:28 am | #

      Did he die? I thought he was just in a coma?

      Was there a funeral I missed?

      • Queezle
        Queezle
        December 21, 2021 at 3:44 am | #

        So I wanted to type that the funeral was during the time skip and we only heard characters referencing Mikes death and the funeral, but now I am not sure anymore if that was a serious question. Maybe you are being ironic. I am sorry.

      • fudo81
        fudo81
        December 21, 2021 at 3:45 am | #

        We all missed it, because of the timeskip

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      December 21, 2021 at 8:58 am | #

      I think I preferred the Mike in the other universe.

  10. The Wellerman
    The Wellerman
    December 21, 2021 at 12:22 am | #

    Hey if you squint at the middle panels Amber kinda looks like a Pikachu. Heh heh.

    • Sunny
      Sunny
      December 21, 2021 at 10:05 am | #

      Now I cannot not see it.

  11. BBCC
    BBCC
    December 21, 2021 at 12:25 am | #

    I MEAN, IF WE’RE JUST GONNA COME OUT AND *SAY* IT.

  12. newlland(Henryvolt)
    newlland(Henryvolt)
    December 21, 2021 at 12:26 am | #

    What the hell else would he be?

  13. Zach
    Zach
    December 21, 2021 at 12:28 am | #

    So his assholery was a cry for help all along?

    • WanderingLynx
      WanderingLynx
      December 21, 2021 at 12:44 am | #

      … I’d believe it. Things point it started as a schtick to keep Blaine away from himself and out of guilt for having messed up both Amber and Ethan by forcing him to drive them – And the more we saw of him (from “Of Mike and Men” and onwards) it seemed like it had gone on so far and for so long he couldn’t stop… And also that he was realizing it was screwing himself over, on top of everyone else.

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        December 21, 2021 at 2:00 am | #

        Eh. He was pretty messed up and manipulative even from the start of “Of Mike and Men,” so I don’t think we can claim it started in response to Blaine. I mean, that was a pretty advanced “I’m more of a sociopath than you are, douchebag” move he pulled on Blaine. It seems unlikely that he just improvised it.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      December 21, 2021 at 2:38 am | #

      Amber’s has been, but I think Mike was more “smart kid who thinks he knows better than everyone else”

    • Joyfulldreams
      Joyfulldreams
      December 21, 2021 at 3:35 am | #

      I mean. I’m pretty sure the strip is saying that the existence of ghost mike, and amber talking to him, is in of itself a cry for help from amber.

    • Sombrero
      Sombrero
      December 21, 2021 at 6:00 am | #

      That’s what Amber believes.

  14. jmsr7
    jmsr7
    December 21, 2021 at 12:28 am | #

    I just noticed that Mike is always easy to see an never has any shadows on him.

    • jmsr7
      jmsr7
      December 21, 2021 at 12:39 am | #

      Yep, confirmed: https://www.dumbingofage.com/tag/amber+mike/

      It’s been bothering me for a while now because i could tell when “Mike in Amber’s head” was there because he was different than real Mike, but i couldn’t figure out what it was…I thought maybe it was the overlapping/impossible locations he occupied, but it was actually the art style that showed it.

      • King Daniel
        King Daniel
        December 21, 2021 at 1:56 am | #

        Yeah, it was first noticed in the comments during the kidnapping arc a year ago, but was more recently confirmed as well when Willis mentioned on Twitter that they’d accidentally shaded Mike in one strip and quickly had to fix that before uploading it to the buffer (also, they’d forgotten to add cheek blushes to Amber and that while for any other characters it wouldn’t be such a big deal, for Amber it’s literally the visual differential feature dividing her from Maisie, so).

        • Joyfulldreams
          Joyfulldreams
          December 21, 2021 at 3:33 am | #

          Wow. ‘Maisie’ is quite a good name to use instead of Amazi-girl. Now I hope she actually starts going by that, or something similar, tbh.

          • Needfuldoer
            Needfuldoer
            December 21, 2021 at 7:34 am | #

            I don’t know, it’s kinda corny…

            • zee
              zee
              December 21, 2021 at 7:53 am | #

              Cornier than “Amazi Girl”?

              • Needfuldoer
                Needfuldoer
                December 21, 2021 at 8:07 am | #

                “Maise” is, yes.

                • Agemegos
                  Agemegos
                  December 21, 2021 at 2:37 pm | #

                  Boo!

                • seregiel
                  seregiel
                  December 21, 2021 at 5:43 pm | #

                  The Wonderful M(r)s. Maise(l)

  15. Cmasta1992
    Cmasta1992
    December 21, 2021 at 12:33 am | #

    Well whoever guessed self sabotage gets six points with the extra point pending

  16. Skater Girl
    Skater Girl
    December 21, 2021 at 12:35 am | #

    TFW your subconscious is more self-aware than you are

  17. WanderingLynx
    WanderingLynx
    December 21, 2021 at 12:38 am | #

    Look. If the Mike in Amber’s head can nag her into actually getting therapy…

    I can’t remember if Amber ended up either remembering or being reminded by Amazigirl of what Mike had said and done at the end of his brief life. Either way, Brain Ghost Mike seems to be the self-actualized version the real thing didn’t get to be so. I appreciate his presence.

  18. Carms
    Carms
    December 21, 2021 at 12:47 am | #

    Aw. Mike’s a part of her brain that LOVES her.

  19. Rose by Any Other Name
    Rose by Any Other Name
    December 21, 2021 at 12:55 am | #

    Happy Solstice everyone!
    I would have said so earlier, but I had to get the presents under the tree.

    Wee! It looks so pretty!

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      December 21, 2021 at 12:57 am | #

      That must be sweet!

      And oh yeah!

      The moon looks lovely, and just tops it all off!!! 🤩

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      December 21, 2021 at 1:35 am | #

      wait, didn’t we open at day 25?

      • JBento
        JBento
        December 21, 2021 at 6:55 am | #

        CHRISTMAS is on the 25th. The Winter Solstice is on the 21st.

        • Rose by Any Other Name
          Rose by Any Other Name
          December 21, 2021 at 10:17 am | #

          Indeed!
          And now, the present opening is done. The kids are playing with their new toys and I am thawing the chicken that will be Solstice lunch while also booting up a video game to play. Good times.

          Merry Solstice to all! And to all – see you tonight (probably).

          • JBento
            JBento
            December 21, 2021 at 12:26 pm | #

            Have fun! (or considering when you’re likely to read this, “I hope you had fun”?)

            • Rose by Any Other Name
              Rose by Any Other Name
              December 22, 2021 at 12:55 am | #

              We did. It was very pleasant.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      December 21, 2021 at 2:27 am | #

      I wish you a very happy Solstice indeed!

      Now, I haven’t had sleep in 24 hours, so…

    • JBento
      JBento
      December 21, 2021 at 6:56 am | #

      Happy Solstice!

      Today a year dies. Having lived through it, can’t say it’s a big loss.

  20. UrsulaDavina
    UrsulaDavina
    December 21, 2021 at 1:20 am | #

    My ex boyfriend and current girlfriend use the term you’re (whatever thing we are arguing about) when they have seemingly lost an argument l. So Amber as lost an argument to herself.

  21. Bagge
    Bagge
    December 21, 2021 at 1:35 am | #

    My takehome from all this is that Amber is doing fine.

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      December 21, 2021 at 2:02 am | #

      Finally making that speedrun attempt
      In Super Mario Bros.
      No time for anything else
      Even sleep

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      December 21, 2021 at 2:40 am | #

      Not getting into any more car chases or street fights is a pretty major plus as far as well-being goes, but there’s a lot of stuff that she’s still struggling with

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      December 21, 2021 at 9:01 am | #

      She’s doing fine like that meme comic of the dog in a building that’s on fire.

    • StClair
      StClair
      December 21, 2021 at 9:35 pm | #

      She’s fine!

  22. Chaucer59
    Chaucer59
    December 21, 2021 at 1:39 am | #

    No, YOU’RE a figment of MY imagination.

  23. Rabid Rabbit
    Rabid Rabbit
    December 21, 2021 at 2:02 am | #

    “I COULD.”

    Could what, exactly, Amber? Socialize? Squick people out? (As opposed to squicking them, I assume that’s a step too far even for her.) Miss something? Warm bridges? Burn bridges?

    Inquiring Mikes want to know!

  24. Adam Black
    Adam Black
    December 21, 2021 at 2:37 am | #

    I don’t get this.
    It makes no sense.

    There was literally no narrative point to killing off Mike. None. He’s still here. Hes stil ruining lives.
    But now the conic is lost in a narrative swamp of no escape and accomplished all wrong said he would avoid.

    Like Bury your gays, and characters never escaping a grieving story line.

    The only thing that makes sense … Only seems unlikely due to esteem. The most obvious reason ( if it wasn’t Willis )… He just ran out of story ideas?

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      December 21, 2021 at 2:44 am | #

      This entire narrative right now doesn’t happen without Mike dying, and a dead character persisting as a ghost (of sorts) doesn’t mean that character didn’t die, even if technically he’s still here.

    • AGV
      AGV
      December 21, 2021 at 2:54 am | #

      You’re starting to look like a troll

    • Rani
      Rani
      December 21, 2021 at 3:29 am | #

      I think they mean that Mike’s death doesn’t have any thematic or emotional value since we were never attached to him to begin with. His death does trigger the current narrative-but functionally that narrative is either causing some characters to retread old ground (Amber) or become functionally unusable with the current cast (Ethan), and on top of all this Mike is still ‘around’, so there wasn’t really a ‘loss’ after all.

      Put another way: most of the time, character deaths are supposed to shake up a narrative. Here, Mike’s death slowed everything way the fuck down.

      • Adam Black
        Adam Black
        December 21, 2021 at 4:55 am | #

        Yeah. But that was the explicit cannon reason for not killing characters on a sliding timeline. Time goes to slow.

        If the reason is the character Is garbage and holding the strip back. The reverse happened. They are still in strip. And holding the characters back more just as we were getting growth.

        • powerpowerpow
          powerpowerpow
          December 21, 2021 at 7:25 am | #

          I’m sorry but this and all your other responses are genuinely confusing. Are you upset that Mike was killed off, or upset that Ghost Mike is still around?

          • Fuzzy
            Fuzzy
            December 21, 2021 at 2:06 pm | #

            Both: Willis had said that a main character dying wouldn’t happen because people’s grieving would go on for so long out-of-universe because time passes so slowly in-universe. People are grieving Mike, so Mike dying is bad.

            So what’s good about Mike dying? Well, he wasn’t a great character, so maybe that’s a benefit to him dying: he’s theoretically removed from the narrative. But instead, Brain Mike is still here and doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere.

            So there’s no upside and several downsides to Mike’s death. And Ghost Mike is part of why. (At least in Adam’s opinion, how I’ve interpreted it. I’m relatively neutral on Mike’s death.)

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              December 21, 2021 at 3:44 pm | #

              Brain Mike plays a different role than actual Mike did though. Even for Amber and basically no role for anyone else.

      • Spencer
        Spencer
        December 21, 2021 at 10:53 am | #

        His death does trigger the current narrative-but functionally that narrative is either causing some characters to retread old ground (Amber) or become functionally unusable with the current cast (Ethan), and on top of all this Mike is still ‘around’, so there wasn’t really a ‘loss’ after all.

        I think this is a really linear take on storytelling. Amber’s “retreading old ground” because:

        – her friend died and she’s stricken with grief.

        – Amber never left that old ground to begin with.

        Ethan being “functionally unusable” is the story. He was a character who existed on the margins and could only coo support and warmth at his friends, and now he is in need of it from the people who only want him in a crisis. That’s a good start to a character who was in dire need of a status quo shakeup.

    • dralou
      dralou
      December 21, 2021 at 3:50 am | #

      What gays were buried ? Becky is so lesbian that the mere mention she might not be, makes her appear to correct it.

      Ethan ? He’s not hiding his homosexuality anymore, he just doesn’t feel like playing the field at the moment, what with his best friend with benefits being dead and all.

      Jennifer and Ruth ? They both are bisexual, even if one is identifying as “straight but curious”. The fact that they’re both with men right now don’t mean anything for “the gays”.

      About your accusation of characters never escaping a grieving story line: half of the chapter has nothing to do with Mike’s death, and deals with Joyce deciding she’s superior since she “finally opened her eyes” on god not being real, and acting like a jerk because of it.

      You don’t like Mike ? That’s fair. You really can’t stand the guy, to the point that its mere appearance makes you groan ? Also fair.

      But saying that the author has no more story ideas, because he uses him to advance the plot ? That’s nonsense.

      Granted, right now the story is dealing with the grieving process, but it would be highly difficult to avoid completely the subject, as Mike WAS important for two mains characters.

      Not dealing with it at all would either make those two disappear for years IRL, or make the comic skip for an even longer time than it already did.

      • Adam Black
        Adam Black
        December 21, 2021 at 6:45 am | #

        My response to you was destroyed twice by autoloading videads on kindle browser.

        You clearly didn’t understand what i meant, Even saying the inverse about mike, and praising me for what i don’t believe.

        I was talking about TROPES story elements, not judging as a whole in a gay math death Formula.

        The trope is fullfilled by its function in tne story or not.
        as it was fulfilled in Roomies retstrospectively , when Wilkis gave billieAnd Rutha queer relationship before Ruth killed herself to save unworthy Billy;

        thus giving the story the benefits of gay pathos for straight relationships without fulfillment to gay readers.
        Its called “Bury your Gays” an established trope, the wiki will explain better than i.

        Its not a contest a science proof or an equation. Thats a bit like saying blaine isnt a kidnapper because of all the characters he didn’t kidnap.

        < a bit note on this trope. I think you should be a little less aggressive when discussing it. I do not know what it is like to have my personal desire reinforced my entire life through culture. Sounds great. Its this absence bury Your Gays points to, and this absence is sadly real. Ive buried my best friend, ive lost lovers to addiction or ODing to Hiv and aids disease and simply going terminal from going mad of undiagnosed mental illness.

        Dumbing of Age made a promise early on no major dead characters with reasonns explained. That was enough for me to open my circle of trust, and allow myself to enjoy the little things i had missed out on. as if it was written by a non straight writer wholl see the story line through( unsure of Willis status now , just a prior description of a reader trusting a writer with a sensitive story line. .

        Im not entitled. Its his story. He can write the story he wants. But i feel ive given an unfair level of trust to see the story line through, it got me to care a lot about a story the author didn't. That feels a little shitty, and i wish it didn't.

        But mostly im not seeing any positive growth from these events. I don't know why thet were written orvfor what purpose. Maybe the speculation is pointless. Maybe we have to wait 5 years. Maybe it will end ( if the author has gotten bored with the story to recycle plots. Ok

        Be kind , be weell. Third time the charm

        I don't feel that way about Mike. I was repeating other peoples speculation why they heard mik was offed. Its Wilkis comic. His rules. We are just trying to understand story motives.

        My issue was Mike was same as billi& ruth roomies. He was a queer character whos growth meant he had to die. He grew, he changed then buried. Uts classic repeat of a bury your gays storyline. Other characters had also grown, esp Ethan. Now its been trashed for dead gay pathos instead of living learning relationships that earned their growth over 5 years.

        Finally you misunderstood what i said about Willis. I said the opposite: knowing him, the creative esteem we hold him, his body of works, its almost absurd, irrational to think he did this again because he ran out of story ideas. But i feel its the elephant in the room.
        When we rule out the impossible, whatever shakes down is probably the truth. It seems absurd. You agree. But i don't really know why.

        The characters never escaping a greiving story line DOES NOT Come FROM Me. Its not an accusation, its a paraphrase quote from Willis. Im just agreeing with the Angel on his shoulder. I feel the weight of why he didn't want to, and wonder why he did.

        • Adam Black
          Adam Black
          December 21, 2021 at 7:04 am | #

          Dr lou. I apologize for the bad grammar on the first ( i passed out from boost shot) and on the overly stiff curt tone of the second (it was deleted 2x)

          I just had to complete despite it sounding robotic.

          It was originally written in a warmer friendly tone, lost in the paranoi of loading video ads stealing content. **

          My op comment is really a meta criticism about how story elements are being used, not criticism of those elements themselves. And WHY. ( not i like x, i don’t like x) but does this serve the story, why or why not? The Elements themselves are ok.

          Its not My story. I have no rights to change it. I just have opinions of an invested reader & r being mystfied about recent choices.

          & i really miss offerings the trust of author with my fiction reading heart.
          Good morning friend. Sleep time for boosted adam

    • zee
      zee
      December 21, 2021 at 7:56 am | #

      Killing one queer person in a cast that’s half queer isn’t bury your gays, for fuck’s sake

      • JBento
        JBento
        December 21, 2021 at 8:19 am | #

        There’s no graveyard large enough to “bury your gays” this webcomic.

        • Delicious Taffy
          Delicious Taffy
          December 21, 2021 at 8:33 am | #

          They could probably fit in the Falkreath graveyard. (Incidentally, every time an NPC in Skyrim brags about how “large” that graveyard is, I get irrationally annoyed because there can’t be more than a dozen graves in Falkreath and they’re telling lies,)

          • Queezle
            Queezle
            December 21, 2021 at 10:30 am | #

            I am sure there is a mod for that

          • King Daniel
            King Daniel
            December 21, 2021 at 3:35 pm | #

            I just like to mentally remind myself that the in-game province of Skyrim is only like 3 or 4 square km when “canonically” in the lore the region is thousands of square km (similarly to how in Fallout 3 for example, you can make it from Raven Rock to the National Mall in a matter of hours on foot…even though Raven Rock is in Pennsylvania), and everything in the game is just scaled down for gameplay purposes.

      • Sum Dum Gai
        Sum Dum Gai
        December 21, 2021 at 10:05 am | #

        Yeah, this. Per TV Tropes: “the problem isn’t merely that gay characters are killed off: the problem is the tendency that gay characters are killed off in a story full of mostly straight characters, or when the characters are killed off because they are gay,” neither of which is the case here.

      • Spencer
        Spencer
        December 21, 2021 at 10:48 am | #

        Adam’s issue isn’t the killing of a queer character in that sense, more that Mike was one of the three queer men in the series in contrast with a larger set of queer women.

        I’ve litigated and religated my own thoughts on this, Adam’s feelings are valid insofar as whatever disagreement I have with them they don’t need to be run by me to mater, all I can really say is that I fundamentally oppose with the idea that a story can’t have a queer character die or else it’s Bury Your Gays (if I had one wish it would be to smite TVTropes off the face of the earth), because all it does is create specific little boxes that queer characters get to exist in, and that a certain amount of Representation (a term I am also coming to loathe) is required before you’re allowed to write someone as an actual character.

        • JBento
          JBento
          December 21, 2021 at 12:46 pm | #

          I just did a cast page headcount (excluding Mike): there’s 15 girls, 8 of which are definitely queer (and yes, I’m only counting Becky as one); and 8 dudes, 3 of which are definitely queer. That’s close, proportionately.

          • Spencer
            Spencer
            December 21, 2021 at 12:49 pm | #

            Danny, Ethan and who else?

          • Spencer
            Spencer
            December 21, 2021 at 1:10 pm | #

            Oh hey, Asher has a bio now and it says “women want to be with him, men also want to be with him.”

            That’s not necessarily a hard confirm but I’m going for it.

        • Fuzzy
          Fuzzy
          December 21, 2021 at 2:23 pm | #

          No character needs the possibility of dying to be written as an actual character, unless the threat of death is an ever present part of the narrative. Which it isn’t in this comic. “Doesn’t die” is not an overly constrictive box for gay characters to exist in, imo.

          I think part of Adam’s reaction is that he trusted the comic to not kill ANYONE and only read it/lowered his guard because of that. He has trauma related to death, specifically deaths caused by the deceased’s marginalized status as gay people. Selecting your media to avoid your triggers is totally reasonable.

          • Spencer
            Spencer
            December 21, 2021 at 4:30 pm | #

            “Doesn’t die” is not an overly constrictive box for gay characters to exist in, imo.

            It is, but certainly not if “a queer character dying” is something an audience member can’t stomach rather than as a standard of storytelling. You can write stories about queer characters dying even if it’s Bury Your Gays, because BYG just means “a queer character has died” in a vacuum, and the actual meat of the issue is in a surrounding context of stories about the Tragic Gay. Mike died because he was such a worthless character that he had no value to the series, his death provided more interesting character drama than Mike could were he alive, and sometimes bad shit just happens and the scoundrel who suddenly revealed himself as not so bad after all loses the chance to meaningfully redeem himself.

            Yakuza 0, a game I adore, has its climax begin when the blind lady at the center of the plot gets shot and put into a coma, and so protagonist Majima goes absolutely tilted. That is a story where a woman is Stuffed Into The Fridge so that a man can go beat up the dudes who caused it; not even “technically,” that’s just the definition. Is the story itself just that, though? Can the feelings I had about the story and Majima as a character be boiled down to just that? Is a female character getting for a dude something to apologize for, or is it just something that’s happened so often with the average poor quality of a thing that happens often enough that, regardless, it’s doomed to be a substandard story?

            • BBCC
              BBCC
              December 21, 2021 at 11:52 pm | #

              For that last paragraph, that’s up to you. For you, the story goes beyond that moment and it doesn’t need to be defined as that trope, even if you recognize it is harmful in a pattern. For someone else, yeah, that moment probably DID ruin the story. I’ve known of stories people found incredibly meaningful and deep that were ruined for me by fridging. Although, personally, I’d say it doesn’t sound SUPER fridge-y to me. Most people don’t tend to count Death by Backstory as fridging in my experience.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      December 21, 2021 at 8:02 am | #

      Mike isn’t here, and he’s not ruining lives. The “Mike” with no shading is a symptom of Amber’s incredibly unhealthy coping process after his death, a hallucination or similar that only manifests for her and hasn’t interacted with even one other character. As far as “growth” or “redemption”, the closest Mike got before he decided to tackle Blaine off a roof was a sudden realization that he’d been kind of a prick. He didn’t really get a lot of time to make good on any potential growth, so there’s not much to say on that end.

    • Amelie Wikström
      Amelie Wikström
      December 21, 2021 at 5:59 pm | #

      I’d question Mike being a “character”. Actually I have on many occasions, over the years. It’s been my theory Mike turned out impossible to write when the cast of Shortpacked! was transplanted to this more real world-like story; he works as a surreal, Sadistic Good archetype whose existence comprises a series of laser targeted zingers and acts of violence aimed at improving things for people in the most comically painful and melodramatic way imaginable, but little else. To even try to give him any kind of vulnerabilities and human motivations as the comic has done has seemed to turn him into a different character, in my opinion. I expect he had to be retired mainly because there was no room for him here. I expect his ghost isn’t going to stay for long either.

      So, I could certainly agree, Willis may have run out of story ideas – for Mike. But I wouldn’t take that as any indication for the prospects of any of the many other, nuanced, human characters here.

  25. Steelbright
    Steelbright
    December 21, 2021 at 5:03 am | #

    Oof.

  26. Heather
    Heather
    December 21, 2021 at 5:19 am | #

    People who called it on Amber being creepy to drive people away? Congratulations. You get a cookie. 🍪

    • Reaver
      Reaver
      December 21, 2021 at 8:25 am | #

      Hey this had raisens in it!

      • Heather
        Heather
        December 21, 2021 at 12:33 pm | #

        I need to get some of your five a day into you somehow.

        • The Wellerman
          The Wellerman
          December 21, 2021 at 6:55 pm | #

          Raisins? It doesn’t happen to be an oatmeal raisin cookie by any chance, does it? 😋

    • Plain Marie
      Plain Marie
      December 21, 2021 at 8:32 am | #

      She seems conflicted. She needs people, but hates having to need people.

      • Alaric
        Alaric
        December 21, 2021 at 10:47 am | #

        She doesn’t just hate having to need people. She considers herself a horrible person, and doesn’t want to inflict herself on other people.

  27. Anon A Mouse
    Anon A Mouse
    December 21, 2021 at 6:01 am | #

    Can we just not have Mike around anymore? I was SO happy when he died and more than a little disappointed we got a “Replacement Mike” so soon but at least Booster is marginally less cartoonish in their assholery.

    • beige
      beige
      December 21, 2021 at 6:23 am | #

      I mean, this isn’t mike

      this is amber. and ambers self loathing, that she now externalizes as a Mike halucination, because amber is really not in a good headspace

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      December 21, 2021 at 7:40 am | #

      Amber needs to get some sleep, then Brain!Mike should be suppressed for a while.

    • zee
      zee
      December 21, 2021 at 8:01 am | #

      Booster still isn’t comparable to Mike :/

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        December 21, 2021 at 8:35 am | #

        But Booster’s been rude and inappropriate, which we all know Mike had a monopoly on before he got the Big Ouch.

      • Anon A Mouse
        Anon A Mouse
        December 21, 2021 at 5:28 pm | #

        Booster doesn’t know any of them well enough to dunk on them like Mike did but they still feel the need to psycho-analyze everyone around them unbidden. I think they are easily comparable.

        • Spencer
          Spencer
          December 21, 2021 at 6:19 pm | #

          Not true!

          Booster had to actually be bidden by Ruth. Otherwise, they’ve made pretty simple observations.

          • BBCC
            BBCC
            December 21, 2021 at 11:53 pm | #

            Seriously. Roz SCREAMS “Middle child syndrome” something FIERCE. This was not rocket science.

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      December 21, 2021 at 9:06 am | #

      I would rather we still have the real Mike than a replacement.

  28. Sombrero
    Sombrero
    December 21, 2021 at 6:03 am | #

    Does a brain ghost exist if nobody’s there to hallucinate him?

    • Plain Marie
      Plain Marie
      December 21, 2021 at 8:30 am | #

      I wondered the same thing. Can Ghost Mike have a thought when Amber is not there? Maybe she is just out of view.

  29. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    December 21, 2021 at 6:26 am | #

    I wonder why ghost Mike is not trying to possess Amber’s body for return alive. I don’t think she will be against that actually, she would be happy to let her conscience be erased. Maybe he was not so bad, after all…

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      December 21, 2021 at 9:35 am | #

      This isn’t literally Mike’s ghost, this is Amber’s “I can be better” thoughts compartmentalized and manifested with a Mike avatar. He might be running quasi-independently in her head, but he can’t take helm control like AG can.

      • Rabisch
        Rabisch
        December 21, 2021 at 11:56 am | #

        I know it. So, what better excuse for Amber to start acting like Mike and then say he’s possessing her? She could be another person, this time someone who is not a hero and has no obligation to others

  30. Throwatron
    Throwatron
    December 21, 2021 at 6:40 am | #

    it is a huge burn on mike for willis to make the funniest fucking thing he ever said, post-mortem

  31. Buli-Buli
    Buli-Buli
    December 21, 2021 at 6:52 am | #

    I have figured it out.

    Ghost-Mike fulfills a role for Amber. The same one A LOT of readers thought real Mike had.
    Encouraging self-improvement in Amber/others through negative reinforcement.

    Which mskes me confused. On one hand Blaine’s negative reinforcement caused Amber’s problems. And real Mike’s (possible) attempts just exacerbated Amber’s issues.
    So it makes sense her new Alter or hallucination or whatever would use the same technique, but raises the question if it would help.
    Now granted Ghost-Mike HAS been nicer and more direct about it so maybe it will.
    Which then raises the question that if Ghost-Mike’s criticism and advice are born from Amber’s own knowledge and perception of herself… how long will that criticism stay remot eer ly constructive.
    I mean if Amber foes go to therapy and starts making progress, will Ghost-Mike disappear, job done? Or will he start trying to give her bulimia or something?

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      December 21, 2021 at 8:00 am | #

      This isn’t Touched by an Angel, the Dumbiverse doesn’t lean on supernatural elements. Amber didn’t somehow absorb Mike’s soul and memories when he died.

      We’ve had on-panel confirmation that Ghost Mike has access to information Real Mike would not have.

      https://www.dumbingofage.com/2020/comic/book-10/03-when-it-crumbles/pride/

      Ghost Mike isn’t a literal continuation of Real Mike. At the same time, he’s also not a deliberate “that’s what Mike would’ve said right now” muse Amber conjures at will.

      I think he’s a product of Amber compartmentalizing any “I need to be better” thoughts. He runs semi-independently, like he’s in his own Docker container, and he got Mike’s voice and appearance thanks to timing, trauma, and her memories of his pushing her while he was alive.

      • Buli-Buli
        Buli-Buli
        December 21, 2021 at 9:17 am | #

        What? I never meant to suggest Ghost-Mike and Real-Mike are the same person.

        Wait… I literally refer to Ghost-Mike as an Alter/hallucination/etc and claim he and his commentary are born from Amber’s own perceptions and thoughts.

        Did you mean to respind to someone else?

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          December 21, 2021 at 9:28 am | #

          Either that or it’s another case of “me read words not good”. :\

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          December 21, 2021 at 9:33 am | #

          You’re right, checking again I meant to post that as a reply to Rabisch up the page a ways. Sorry!

          • Kirt Dankmyer
            Kirt Dankmyer
            December 21, 2021 at 10:53 am | #

            Okay, but you get a thumbs up for the Docker metaphor.

      • Roborat
        Roborat
        December 21, 2021 at 7:09 pm | #

        Not Touched by an Angel? Well, that is good, because I absolutely hated that show.

    • Axel_Grease
      Axel_Grease
      December 21, 2021 at 11:23 am | #

      I think its similar to an abuse victim ending up in an abusive relationship. We seek out people that hurt us in familiar ways. So no, I don’t think it will help.

  32. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    December 21, 2021 at 7:43 am | #

    Oh, Amber in 4th panel got an adorable asshole face. Love it!

  33. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    December 21, 2021 at 7:46 am | #

    I want to protest: if we got a Ghost-Mike, we deserve a Ghost-Bonnie, too!!

    • J. Gawain
      J. Gawain
      December 21, 2021 at 8:04 am | #

      Willis is just dangling Ghost-Mike in front of us so when he moves on we can follow him to a spinoff in Ghost-land where we will get to meet Ghost-Bonnie. The down side is we will also have to put up with Ghost-Blaine and Toest-Dad. I’m debating whether or not its worth it.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        December 21, 2021 at 8:09 am | #

        And it turns out there actually are water slides and you can eat cake until you feel barfy. (Blaine and Toedead have to clean up the barf.)

  34. Beau Kirin Maysey
    Beau Kirin Maysey
    December 21, 2021 at 8:52 am | #

    If we gradually increase the distance between Mike Tulpa and his source, can we materialize him for real??

    CAN we have Force Ghost Mike???

  35. Kitsune
    Kitsune
    December 21, 2021 at 8:56 am | #

    Keep in mind, Mike does have a habit of coming back from the dead.

  36. Mr.Morningstar
    Mr.Morningstar
    December 21, 2021 at 11:16 am | #

    Honestly this is is a very self aware hallucination

  37. ADLegend21
    ADLegend21
    December 21, 2021 at 1:39 pm | #

    ugh Mike is on the strip for my birthday booooooo

  38. nothri
    nothri
    December 21, 2021 at 5:02 pm | #

    Its a shame she can’t just gain mental clarity and cease to have this alternate personality.

    I mean, who doesn’t like to make a good Mike Drop, am I right?

  39. C.T. Phipps
    C.T. Phipps
    December 21, 2021 at 11:13 pm | #

    I am fully comfortable with the fact Mike is there without her.

    So he’s a ghost not an alternate personality or figment.

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Fun thing about reading the DC x Sonic comics is that it’s interspersed with these ads for other DC comics that I have zero context for. Why is Batman shouting “hush” while dealing with a nosebleed? I’ll never know.
An ad for Batman Hush 2 Chapter 3 #160 I think? There are a lot of numbers, I don’t really know what it is, sorry. Batman is in front of the word HUSH repeated in the background, and he’s gripping his head and blood’s coming out from under his mask.
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Kory Bing @korybing.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Scene from the good place where Michael is saying “Jason figured it out? Jason? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts” but instead of “Jason” it says “reedpop”
amymebberson.bsky.social's user avatarAmy Mebberson AA216 at Dragoncon!🐉 @amymebberson.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Related: Reedpop cons strictly forbid AI at any exhibitor’s booth or AA table, as does Comic con. Take note Fanexpo. Nobody wants slop. Ban it.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Dumbing of Age: "Date both" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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Date both
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Colin Carlson @colincarlson.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
i'm the guy who invented the spike traps that pop out of temple walls. i hate my job. every day my boss says "why haven't we killed any archeologists" and i say "they haven't invented that yet." they pay me in tomb juice. i hate tomb juice. honestly i might just start working on my big boulder idea
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Ayo @darrylayo.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
A furious person labeled both democrats and republicans screeches I hate you and hope you die at an innocent happy person labeled Zohran who is saying I like New York City
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Ohhhhhhh, STREAMING surprise!!! I definitely read that differently at first
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
DID GARFIELD EAT THAT KID?????
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
It's the Phantom Menace, Charlie Brown
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Big swing for the new Cracker Barrel logo
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
trying to replicate this lineup, but the toy constructicons aren't quite as narrow as the animated ones, it seems also where'd scavenger go
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
maggie likes to check the dumbing of age subreddit ever so often to see which of us two they've psychoanalyzed to have cheated on the other, today
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@ratlimit @ratlimit.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
I'm PhD in graphic design and Cracker Barrel's REAL problem is they didn't go *far enough*
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Today in #9ChickweedLane I learned the strip will remove even the color black to resist the alien will of the dernier cri
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its she coolcab @coolcab.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
The previous photo of joyce with pupils with an MS Paint mario hat, Mario moustache and open mouth expression and the word
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Kendra, regular version @kendrawcandraw.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 He will die soon 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯 🕯
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