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Undress

by David M Willis on February 18, 2022 at 12:01 am
  • 03 – Trial and Sarah
└ Tags: becky, dina

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    February 18, 2022 at 12:05 am | #

    scientifically finding loopholes

    • Ana Chronistic
      Ana Chronistic
      February 18, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

      Becky regularly loses her top tho

      • Radiance
        Radiance
        February 18, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

        Yeah, Dina’s pretty hard to keep track of.

        • ktbear
          ktbear
          February 18, 2022 at 1:50 am | #

          Wait, was that a bottom joke? Well done!

        • Booyahman
          Booyahman
          February 18, 2022 at 9:40 pm | #

          :clap:

        • BlueHoundoom
          BlueHoundoom
          February 18, 2022 at 10:24 pm | #

          This is the best comment I have ever read.

  2. The Wellerman
    The Wellerman
    February 18, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    Woah look at how well she’s working!!! 😆

    This battle against the Chains of Sunday School is one that’s gonna be won in stages, and Dina’s STRIVING every step of the way, with agility and intellect that’s OUT OF THIS WORLD!!!

    🌌🦕🦖🧬 ✌️😈🥤

    *plays “Who is Strongest” by Shinji Miyazaki on Becky’s Phone*

    • Clif
      Clif
      February 18, 2022 at 12:47 am | #

      Yeah, well what I wonder is if either of them has thought ahead to the possibility that Dina may remove all Becky’s clothes only to discover that it doesn’t do anything for her. Dina isn’t going to lie about it. How will Becky feel then?

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        February 18, 2022 at 1:08 am | #

        For all we know, that which arouses her can be seemingly mundane and non-sex related to us. Like say, getting fossilized.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        February 18, 2022 at 2:32 am | #

        I think she’ll be pleased by the sight of more Becky, the bigger question is if Becky finds “pleased” is satisfactory when what she really wants is for Dina to go feral on her.

        Doing science is Dina’s kink. If nudity is a means to that end, so be it. She can achieve anything with sufficient research.

        https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/04-hompk/ladylust/

      • Z
        Z
        February 18, 2022 at 5:57 am | #

        If Dina enjoys seeing Becky experience sexual pleasure – that can be enough for a fulfilling sexual relationship. And Dina certainly seems to be enjoying herself.

        While she may not walk in on Becky sleeping nude or showering and get horny – I suspect she’ll very much enjoy seeing a squirming, aroused Becky coming undone under her ministrations.

        I also suspect that seeing Becky naked will result in many, many hypotheses coming to mind about how Becky will react to certain acts – and also what Dina will experience from certain acts. Which Dina will be particularly eager to engage in rigorous testing of.

        Is that what your average person considers “sexual attraction”? Maybe not.

        Conditioning also exists. So the more often Dina experiences pleasure while seeing Becky naked, the more pleasure she’ll gain just from seeing Becky’s naked body.

        Also, it’s likely a lot of Becky’s expression of horniness is tied into her conditioning. Dina knows that the second Becky is emotionally ready, Dina will be free to choose to engage in any sexual acts they mutually desire. That brings a lot of calmness.

        Becky’s every feeling of lust is wrapped up in “not until marriage”, “it’s sinful”, “God doesn’t want this”, and as we saw last page there’s also guilt and self-flagelation for feeling it. And if Becky has a denial kink then that’s way more hot and bothered.

        It’s not unlikely that if Becky were also standing there 100% feeling “As soon as Dina and I feel it’s appropriate for us, we will be able to fully enjoy sex to our hearts’ content” – she wouldn’t be having such huge reactions to Dina’s shoulders.

  3. True Survivor
    True Survivor
    February 18, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    Ewww…

  4. Darkoneko
    Darkoneko
    February 18, 2022 at 12:08 am | #

    Becky’s panties status : Genesis 7-12

    And the rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights.

    • Rose by Any Other Name
      Rose by Any Other Name
      February 18, 2022 at 12:16 am | #

      According to an ex-girlfriend of mine who happened to be Israeli, it is only premarital male sex that is forbidden by the bible due to semen death. Female orgasms don’t result in the deaths of microorganisms, so they are actually a mitzvah – a blessing – not a sin. So biblically, Becky is in the clear for all her lady fluids.

      • Leorale
        Leorale
        February 18, 2022 at 2:22 am | #

        If you’re thinking of Onan, it’s not even because of the general death of semen (and they didn’t know about microorganisms). Check out the context of the story: Onan was clearly supposed to impregnate a particular lady, but masturbated instead of fulfilling that duty. Spilling your seed isn’t bad, you’re just not supposed to shirk your duties when God has given you a specific spunk-mission.

        • Leorale
          Leorale
          February 18, 2022 at 2:44 am | #

          (Ok I’m being hyperbolic. It isn’t quite as goofy as I described it, God didn’t, like, appear and command Onan not to pull out. But it’s still a very specific story, in which Onan had a clear and specific responsibility to his brother’s widow, and it’s super wild that Christians interpret this as God hating male masturbation in general.)

          • Leorale
            Leorale
            February 18, 2022 at 2:56 am | #

            Forgive the long paragraphs, it’s 2:30am and I’m talking about Torah-sex, what is my life.

            “Mitzvah” doesn’t mean “blessing”, it means “commandment”. Early on, humanity is commanded to “be fruitful and multiply”, so procreative sex between married people is lauded under that category. While many may personally agree that orgasms are a blessing, lady-orgasms aren’t commanded by God, they aren’t mentioned either way. They’re just a delightful bonus.

            • Schpoonman
              Schpoonman
              February 18, 2022 at 5:23 pm | #

              And that’s probably why American conservatives tend to not give a shit about them, either.

        • Z
          Z
          February 18, 2022 at 6:02 am | #

          He actually fucked her, then pulled out and came on the ground.

          I’m pretty sure even nowadays it’d be considered *really* shitty to convince a woman you want to have a baby with her so she lets you fuck her, then pull out like that.

          Like, she wouldn’t have agreed to the sex if he said “I don’t want kids I just want to get off”. And you knew it. So you lied to trick her into saying yes.

          So it’s not even that nkn-procreative sex is bad. It’s that lying to trick a person into sex you know they wouldn’t have agreed to is shitty and unacceptable.

          Which is a really good moral.

          • Leorale
            Leorale
            February 18, 2022 at 7:41 am | #

            This is indeed a good moral.

            Plus, there was no social security, the way to get taken care of in your old age was to have sons to take care of you, that was their retirement plan. Super crappy to promise a 401k and then pull out.

            • Jon Rich
              Jon Rich
              February 18, 2022 at 9:22 pm | #

              “Super crappy to promise a 401k and then pull out.”

              Hell, I’m going to use this now to refer to this story from now on. And I will do it *frequently.*

      • Arianod
        Arianod
        February 18, 2022 at 6:14 am | #

        Every Sperm Is Sacred!

        • Keulen
          Keulen
          February 18, 2022 at 9:29 am | #

          Every sperm is great, if a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate

          • Lauren
            Lauren
            February 18, 2022 at 11:17 am | #

            Let the heathens spill them on the dusty ground
            God will make them pay for each sperm that can’t be found

      • Deviant
        Deviant
        February 18, 2022 at 12:47 pm | #

        I wasn’t aware they knew about microorganisms when the Torah was written.

    • Katerly
      Katerly
      February 18, 2022 at 12:18 am | #

      UPVOTE!
      UPVOTE FOR YOU,
      UPVOTE FOR YOUR COW,
      UPVOTE!
      Oh man that made me laugh hard!

  5. Doctor_Who
    Doctor_Who
    February 18, 2022 at 12:08 am | #

    That’s two hat removals, Willis. One more and this comic gets an X rating.

    The X is short for eXposed scalps.

    • Dave Van Domelen
      Dave Van Domelen
      February 18, 2022 at 12:15 am | #

      Topless co-eds!

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      February 18, 2022 at 1:45 am | #

      Obviously the X is cap-italized.

  6. King Daniel
    King Daniel
    February 18, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

    And lo, the Lᴏʀᴅ did say unto them: provideth that thou bring paper towels, or a mop of many woven cords of yarn, thou art verily in the clear in whatsoever thou doest mutually and in good cheer.

    ~2nd Proverbs 6:9

    • WanderingLynx
      WanderingLynx
      February 18, 2022 at 12:37 am | #

      #NICE(-an Council Approved)

  7. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    February 18, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

    It’s the rain.

    • MR. L. SHADE
      MR. L. SHADE
      February 18, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

      Someone please put on a Steve Reich record!

      • Clif
        Clif
        February 18, 2022 at 1:29 am | #

        How about an old Steeve Reeves movie.

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      February 18, 2022 at 2:41 am | #

      Toto’s Africa on a sexy times playlist, yea or nay? It’s an unironically excellent song, but the meme might overpower that at this point.

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        February 18, 2022 at 6:33 am | #

        Fuck yeah it should go on the sexytimes playlist! Right up there with The Circle of Life! 😛

  8. Suet
    Suet
    February 18, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

    Well it’s too late for me to discreetly play Jermaine Stewart on the PA speakers

    Hopefully Becky doesn’t overload on a lovely Sunday like this

    • Cholma
      Cholma
      February 18, 2022 at 12:18 am | #

      Becky: “W-we don’t have to take our clothes off… to have a good time?”
      Dina: “Counterpoint: SCIENCE!”

  9. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    February 18, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

    Even if this isn’t against the letter of the law but it sure feels like it’s against the spirit.

    • aelfwine
      aelfwine
      February 18, 2022 at 12:20 am | #

      Yeah, one’s supposed to avoid acts motivated by lust, same way you are supposed to avoid acts motivated by anger or greed.

      A virtuous life is not supposed to be about finding loopholes.

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        February 18, 2022 at 12:25 am | #

        I mean the law she’s trying to dodge is bullshit, she’s entirely justified about that, but I don’t think this is a defense that would hold up in front of a judge.

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        February 18, 2022 at 12:30 am | #

        That’s neat and all, but human nature doesn’t care about what something is “supposed to be”.

      • John Smith
        John Smith
        February 18, 2022 at 1:43 am | #

        She threw out the whole “don’t be gay” part because it didn’t fit with what she wanted from religion. Why wouldn’t she throw out this part too?

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          February 18, 2022 at 2:35 am | #

          Because!

        • zee
          zee
          February 18, 2022 at 12:28 pm | #

          Yeah because trauma and human psychology are that easy.
          If you weren’t traumatized by that thing then why are you still traumatized by this thing, just get over it >:(

      • Hazel
        Hazel
        February 18, 2022 at 2:43 am | #

        It’s not just for kicks. As we learned when she was talking to Leslie, Becky would be comforted to know if Dina has sexual attraction before they marry. Beyond the lust and love, a loophole to find out now could avoid incompatability leading to divorce, which is its own “sin” with less opportunity for loophole.

        Becky’s doing her best to not let go of a faith that has mostly failed her because she believes in the “important” stuff, such as the rest of the virtues… I’m sorry but this is a bad faith take of Becky’s personal situation.

      • Jamie
        Jamie
        February 18, 2022 at 3:01 am | #

        Nah, motivated by lust and anger are fine, by the literal text of the Bible.

        Greed is dicier, though.

    • RassilonTDavros
      RassilonTDavros
      February 18, 2022 at 12:29 am | #

      Is a distinction between “the letter” and “the spirit” even a concept that Biblical literalists have in their vocabulary? Asking because I genuinely do not know.

    • Francoinblanco
      Francoinblanco
      February 18, 2022 at 2:22 am | #

      IMHO its crutch for Becky, its better to “outsmart”God than admit that she is on highway to hell by her learned worldview

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      February 18, 2022 at 2:48 am | #

      Becky is a pretty standard American Christian in that regard, it’s just that when she inevitably said “Oh no, this part of the immutable word is really harmful to my worldview. Time to mute it!” the part she muted was actually harmful and she’s not muting something like “Feed and clothe the hungry and cold,” like most American Christians do.

      • Spencer
        Spencer
        February 18, 2022 at 12:37 pm | #

        Yeah like, I kinda feel that a lot of modern cultural Christianity is about turning off and on the parts you want to follow.

        Becky in a vacuum feels contradictory, where she was able to throw everything she didn’t want into the garbage, but “Good Christian Girl having a sexual guilt complex” doesn’t feel like that much of a stretch.

  10. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    February 18, 2022 at 12:14 am | #

    “Let’s just get one thing straight: This the cutest thing that’s ever happened to me.”

    As Dina’s shoulder scientist and priest hi-five each other.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      February 18, 2022 at 12:19 am | #

      Cute, yes!!! But surely a priest should know better then to interfere with the work of the Empress of Evolution!

      Speaking of which, if you liked Super Saiyan Joyce, stay tuned! 👍😈

    • Rabid Rabbit
      Rabid Rabbit
      February 18, 2022 at 3:36 am | #

      Oh, there ain’t nothin’ straight about this.

      • a/snow/mous/e
        a/snow/mous/e
        February 18, 2022 at 10:53 am | #

        Let’s just get one thing queer… actually, why stop there? Let’s get EVERYTHING queer~

    • Z
      Z
      February 18, 2022 at 6:06 am | #

      Becky’s shoulder scientist and priest.

      Dina has a panel entirely made of shoulder scientists.

      • Keulen
        Keulen
        February 18, 2022 at 9:31 am | #

        Yeah, this. I highly doubt Dina would have a shoulder priest.

        • The Wellerman
          The Wellerman
          February 18, 2022 at 11:54 pm | #

          Me too.

  11. BarerMender
    BarerMender
    February 18, 2022 at 12:14 am | #

    Wait a minute. Isn’t there a rule about “the occasion of sin?”

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      February 18, 2022 at 3:02 am | #

      Yup. For Catholics.

  12. Abel Undercity
    Abel Undercity
    February 18, 2022 at 12:15 am | #

    OMG, what if they both take off their hats and touch heads together?

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      February 18, 2022 at 3:35 am | #

      now THAT’S taking it too far, kids read this comic

  13. Robbie
    Robbie
    February 18, 2022 at 12:15 am | #

    Skip Proverbs and go for Song of Songs

    • Agemegos
      Agemegos
      February 18, 2022 at 8:17 am | #

      Hear! Hear!

  14. aelfwine
    aelfwine
    February 18, 2022 at 12:15 am | #

    Am curious whst sort of creed Becky is following in which it’s bad to undress yourself but okay to let yourself be undressed by another.

    • Hopey
      Hopey
      February 18, 2022 at 12:24 am | #

      Fundamentalist beliefs is often literalist. In that sense, loopholes might be amenable to a believer. Alternate interpretations don’t focus on the action more so than the intention itself, which is assigned greater significance.

      • BarerMender
        BarerMender
        February 18, 2022 at 2:11 am | #

        Who better than Booster to explain that?

    • Carms
      Carms
      February 18, 2022 at 12:25 am | #

      there’s not ROOLS against her undressing herself, it’s just that she’s been raised with shame around it- that’s what she meant about the Fundie Shame last strip. it’s not against the rules, she just can’t shake bad feels about it.
      This gets around the shame, which is not a choice, but continues to toe the Actual lines Becky wants to toe.

    • Jeff K!
      Jeff K!
      February 18, 2022 at 12:26 am | #

      It’s not a creed, it’s internalized “sex is bad” and “don’t be naked” messages that she grew up with causing a post-traumatic physical reaction.

      It’s not that she didn’t want to get naked, it’s that she physically couldn’t bring herself to do it, or probably even bring herself to seriously consider the idea.

      Speaking from some experience here.

  15. jeffepp
    jeffepp
    February 18, 2022 at 12:16 am | #

    From Dina’s face, she’s been feeling something for several strips.

    • Dara
      Dara
      February 18, 2022 at 3:13 am | #

      She’s enjoying this. A lot.

      Dina is the dom Becky needs.

      Possibly that we all need. But particularly Becky.

  16. Delicious Taffy
    Delicious Taffy
    February 18, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

    Oh man, Becky sure seems to hate this. She really seems to be in a real state of upset over these current events. Dina sure is causing Becky to be super duper problem’d and bebothered. This situation is incredibly uncomfortable and problematic and Actually Evil. /s

    • Clif
      Clif
      February 18, 2022 at 1:33 am | #

      Well, as long as you realize it, that’s what’s important.

    • Spencer
      Spencer
      February 18, 2022 at 6:58 am | #

      ikr, Dina’s inability to read social cues means she’s at risk of pressuring Becky into something she doesn’t want.

      I’m an extremely sensible and intelligent person for saying this.

    • Florence
      Florence
      February 18, 2022 at 8:49 am | #

      Finding ways to make your girlfriend happy by helping her deal with her inner shame? What diabolical villainy!

      • Spencer
        Spencer
        February 18, 2022 at 9:15 am | #

        but but but what if sex is icky and scary and innately traumatizing???

        Becky got taught that sex is wrong and now that she’s confronting that, she’s uncomfortable! Obviously this is Dina’s fault.

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        February 18, 2022 at 4:46 pm | #

        VILLIANY, you say?!?!?!

        😈😈😈

        Prepare for trouble!
        And make it double!

        🦖🦕

        To protect the world from superstition!
        To put pseudoscience out of commission!

        👁🌌🌎🪐📡

        To denounce the evil of chastity!
        To unleash the brain’s true capacity!

        🧠🧠🧠🌠✨️🌌

        Dina!
        Joyce!

        Team Dino — brain powers combined!
        Surrender now, or we’ll blow your mind!

        🤯🤯🤯 🦖🦕🧠 ✌️😈

        *plays “Team Rocket Theme” on Hacked Muzak*

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      February 18, 2022 at 9:36 am | #

      Yeah, the expressions of Becky’s blushing face in this strip show she’s clearly upset and feels discomfort. Dina definitely can’t tell that she’s actually not into this at all. How dare she do something so terrible to her girlfriend who clearly doesn’t want this. /s of course

  17. BBCC
    BBCC
    February 18, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

    LMAO. Well, this is going to be a fun day for Becky after all. Yay. ^.^

  18. Delicious Taffy
    Delicious Taffy
    February 18, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

    This strip is super duper cute and I love these two goobers.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      February 18, 2022 at 12:24 am | #

      I’m a Goofy Goober!

      Yeah!

      You’re a Goofy Goober!

      Yeah!

      We’re all Goofy Goobers!

      YEAH!

      GOOOFY GOOOFY GOOBERS YEAH!!!!!

      🤪

    • Florence
      Florence
      February 18, 2022 at 12:41 am | #

      They keep trying to make each other happy and there’s something wonderful about that

  19. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    February 18, 2022 at 12:23 am | #

    I love that they’re taking this step by step.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      February 18, 2022 at 12:25 am | #

      Takin’ it slow and bein’ methodical are Very Good for first-timers like these two. Ya love to see it.

      • Geneseepaws
        Geneseepaws
        February 18, 2022 at 2:40 am | #

        But also careful for science. The only fault I see is no notebook. Dina is trying to memorize what is happening as it is happening. That is not good science. There might be things unwritten, details which might not be remembered or remembered clearly enough, that might turn out to be Very significant, later. Go slowly you two, and memorize it All!

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      February 18, 2022 at 2:36 am | #

      Dina is a firm believer in the scientific process.

  20. EvilMidnightLurker
    EvilMidnightLurker
    February 18, 2022 at 12:24 am | #

    Remind me, does either the Tanakh or the Bible even mention the existence of lesbians?

    • Rose by Any Other Name
      Rose by Any Other Name
      February 18, 2022 at 1:41 am | #

      Nope. It is almost exclusively concerned about sperm.

      See my comment above about mitzvahs.

      • Jamie
        Jamie
        February 18, 2022 at 3:08 am | #

        Apparently, recent interpretations suggest that Leviticus passages might actually only refer to brothers, not even just random male-on-male banging.

      • SeasideSun
        SeasideSun
        February 18, 2022 at 6:07 pm | #

        woman-woman sex is, however, mentioned in the Talmud. Rav Eleazar and Rava says that it’s fine and doesn’t keep a woman from being eligible for marrying a kohen. But then the Rambam said that all same sex relations are one of “the practices of the Egyptians” which we’re forbidden from doing. Then The Shulchan Aruch upheld this. And so while it’s not explicitly mentioned in Torah, the Orthodox position has been that such things are forbidden.

        Now, that is not to say there haven’t been recent writings by Orthodox rabbis suggesting that there are other halachic principles that trump this. And in addition what occurs in the bedroom cannot and need not be known to the community. So, while people can’t be out, there surely have been relationships.

        But obv, Becky isn’t Jewish . . .

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      February 18, 2022 at 2:36 am | #

      Not in the Tanakh. In that location and in those times, sex would have been considered an action, not an identity — plus iirc the rare characters who pass the Bechdel test are each other’s sisters and in-laws.
      Lady-with-lady sex isn’t mentioned at all.

  21. Kyrik Michalowski
    Kyrik Michalowski
    February 18, 2022 at 12:24 am | #

    Blerg. Eyes can’t properly see, had 2 cataplectic incidents and have a migraine.

    No random quips or questions today, have a good night everyone, think of lesbiabs as you fall asleep.

    • Hazel
      Hazel
      February 18, 2022 at 2:22 am | #

      I’m sorry you went through all that.. I hope you feel better soon 🙁

      • Kyrik Michalowski
        Kyrik Michalowski
        February 18, 2022 at 10:59 am | #

        Thank you for your kind words, I’m feeling better after a night’s sleep.

  22. William Leonard Reese Jr.
    William Leonard Reese Jr.
    February 18, 2022 at 12:26 am | #

    . . . Well there’s the thing with Onar and “spilling his seed on the ground” but I’m. . .not sure if that applies?

    Genuinely I don’t remember the context of that scene or why it was declared an evil act by God. . . as quoted in the bible at least.

    From what I remember he did that because he refused to beget a child unto the widow of his brother which.. . . yeah that seems entirely reasonable. So was it an evil act in and of itself? Or because he disobeyed orders?

    • Bicycle Bill
      Bicycle Bill
      February 18, 2022 at 1:02 am | #

      According to Jewish law, he was disobeying orders to perpetuate his brother’s bloodline by impregnating his brother’s widow.  Both the NIV and KJV seem to indicate that he did bed her, but the passage is vague in that it sounds more like he had sexual congress but withdrew before orgasm and ‘spilled his seed upon the ground’ — for which he paid with his life. (And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.)

      It is from this that the Christian churches base their proscriptions on masturbation and contraception.

      (cue up “Every Sperm is Sacred” on the hacked Muzak)

      • Doom Shepherd
        Doom Shepherd
        February 18, 2022 at 4:00 am | #

        Obviously though, the sin was disobeying a direct order, not spilling the seed. Dunno how they all missed that.

        • Z
          Z
          February 18, 2022 at 6:17 am | #

          To me the sin is lying to a woman to let you fuck her.

          It’s unlikely the woman would’ve agreed to act as a living Fleshlight – she agreed to let him impregnate her.

          Depending on your personal views, at best that’s a mean thing to do, at worst it’s rape.

          It should be a really good lesson about consent but noooo its used to say stop touching yourself.

  23. BubbaFett
    BubbaFett
    February 18, 2022 at 12:30 am | #

    So we’re basically living out one of the authors fantasies then (not bad really)

  24. foamy
    foamy
    February 18, 2022 at 12:30 am | #

    Damnit, I was promised Steve. Where’s Steve??? 🙁

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      February 18, 2022 at 12:35 am | #

      Like I said yesterday, past strip hovertexts have promised “tomorrow’s strip” to contain, among other things, a Mary/Galasso hookup. You young’uns and your impatience!

      • Clif
        Clif
        February 18, 2022 at 12:54 am | #

        I can’t help noticing that there has still not been a Mary/Galasso hookup, so where has your patience gotten you???

        • King Daniel
          King Daniel
          February 18, 2022 at 12:56 am | #

          Don’t worry, I hear their hookup will be coming any day now!

        • AbacusWizard
          AbacusWizard
          February 18, 2022 at 12:57 am | #

          You mean, there has still not been a Mary/Galasso hookup *on panel*

          • King Daniel
            King Daniel
            February 18, 2022 at 12:58 am | #

            Ah, to have such strong faith in the power of the Mary/Galasso hookup!

            • DaveM
              DaveM
              February 18, 2022 at 1:32 am | #

              Given the Authors predilections as seen in his Twitter feed, It could be he’s foreshadowing a future Mary Worth/Galasso hookup.

              Search your feelings (and his twitter feed), you know it to be true.

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      February 18, 2022 at 9:43 am | #

      Somewhere off-panel, Steve is eating cereal. Sad that we don’t get to see it.

  25. Zachary R.
    Zachary R.
    February 18, 2022 at 12:31 am | #

    I WAS PROMISED A BOWL OF STEVE-Os

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      February 18, 2022 at 12:33 am | #

      We’re all gonna have to learn to cope with that loss, believe me. It’s a shock to us all.

  26. Ray
    Ray
    February 18, 2022 at 12:35 am | #

    As they say on Archer:
    https://tenor.com/uMME.gif

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      February 18, 2022 at 12:42 am | #

      👏😆 I love Archer, this is awesome!

  27. WanderingLynx
    WanderingLynx
    February 18, 2022 at 12:41 am | #

    I’m quivering with envy. I’d always loved Dina as a character but hadn’t thought of her as a hot character until these strips (with her description of Ruining Joe as a teaser?)

    Truly dunno if she’s enjoying this in her pants but you can tell she’s having Baby’s First Domme Euphoria Rush and man, it matters.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      February 18, 2022 at 12:59 am | #

      🧠🧠🧠 🌌🦕🦖 Dina is using her BRAIN POWER, the power of SCIENCE to save her girlfriend from the Chains of Sunday School. She’s methodically searching for weaknesses in the Fundie Fortress of Becky’s brain, striving every step of the battle with EXTRAORDINARY intellect and prowess!!!!

      I’m quivering with something, but it’s not envy. It’s pure EXHILARATION!!!!

      😆😆😆 🍿🍿🍿 🥤🥤🥤

      *plays “A Moment for Shuddering” by Christopher Bullock on Hacked Muzak*

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      February 18, 2022 at 1:01 am | #

      BTW @Lynx, wanna drop your Discord handle so I can show ya a really cool piece of (SFW) art imma working on? 😃

      • WanderingLynx
        WanderingLynx
        February 18, 2022 at 2:30 am | #

        OH YEAH, I FORGOT. Sorry bruh, I’m not having the best week. My handle is actually wanderinglynx over there too :3 Yours?

        • The Wellerman
          The Wellerman
          February 18, 2022 at 5:18 am | #

          😅 Totally alright bruh! I totally get that too!

          It’s TheWellerman #three zero nine nine!!!

  28. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    February 18, 2022 at 12:44 am | #

    There’s an slight shift in Becky’s expression between Panels 3 and 4, and it looks like the beginnings of a smile. It’s subtle, but it’s there, and it’s adorable.

  29. TheKelliestKelly
    TheKelliestKelly
    February 18, 2022 at 12:46 am | #

    The way this is going I’m thinking I’m going to have to resubscribe to Slipshine

  30. Tsa
    Tsa
    February 18, 2022 at 12:52 am | #

    tmw you’re not horny but sex has still become one of your Special Interests

    • Clif
      Clif
      February 18, 2022 at 12:56 am | #

      For SCIENCE!

  31. Kirtro
    Kirtro
    February 18, 2022 at 12:55 am | #

    I was promised cereal eating but I done see it

    • Clif
      Clif
      February 18, 2022 at 1:00 am | #

      The poster behind them clearly shows Steve eating a bowl of cereal in the lower left. Unfortunately, that part is hidden by Dina’s head.

  32. Barf Ninjason
    Barf Ninjason
    February 18, 2022 at 12:56 am | #

    I know no way to say this without sounding lascivious as hell, but I love it when girls talk about getting wet. Had multiple friends tell me about needing to clamp their legs together at parties because they were so horny they were afraid they were gonna, yeah, “drench the floor,” basicallt. Ahem: gluh.

  33. Ashley
    Ashley
    February 18, 2022 at 1:04 am | #

    Hats off to you, Dina.

  34. Tomn
    Tomn
    February 18, 2022 at 1:05 am | #

    So Dina worked out that since Becky finds removing Dina’s hat to be hot, she’s also likely to get turned on from Dina removing Becky’s hat?

    Clever girl.

  35. Joshua Hollis Wright
    Joshua Hollis Wright
    February 18, 2022 at 1:16 am | #

    Man, I was looking forward to seeing what sort of cereal QC Steve is eating. Is he still munching on the brand that he saved the elf AI from? They sent him a lifetime supply or something, but that could get boring. I need answers and neither Jacques or Willis is providing me them!!!

    • Axel_Grease
      Axel_Grease
      February 18, 2022 at 10:58 am | #

      Steve strikes me as the kind of guy to eat free cereal even though he hates it.

  36. Bagge
    Bagge
    February 18, 2022 at 1:16 am | #

    I take it that Becky is rather enjoying this. In her pants.

  37. BarerMender
    BarerMender
    February 18, 2022 at 1:43 am | #

    The remark I posted a while back about limited palette might have been my limited eyes. I’ve had a cataract replaced and the colors in this strip have come alive. I’m seeing colors I didn’t remember existed.

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      February 18, 2022 at 2:13 am | #

      Have you seen any mysterious colors unlike any seen on Earth?

      But seriously, congrats!

      • BarerMender
        BarerMender
        February 18, 2022 at 2:16 am | #

        Thanks. I was seeing some blues that were glowing strangely. I figured out that was because one eye was seeing the blue and the other eye wasn’t. Weird looking.

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        February 18, 2022 at 7:04 am | #

        Colors…. that are out of this world….

        You mean like these? ✌️😈

        https://imgur.com/a/cPwQdrN

  38. BarerMender
    BarerMender
    February 18, 2022 at 2:14 am | #

    Dina, while you have the hat off, run your fingers through her hair. Get her inured to hands moving on her. It’ll come in, ah, “handy,” after a few more items.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      February 18, 2022 at 11:08 am | #

      We do enjoy a little bit of hair play. Even in a platonic sense it’s just cozy and nice.

  39. michaelinasmeal
    michaelinasmeal
    February 18, 2022 at 3:12 am | #

    next slipshine: dina finds the poophole loophole

    • Zaxares
      Zaxares
      February 18, 2022 at 5:59 am | #

      Wait, do fundies ACTUALLY consider that a loophole? I would have thought they’d still classify it as “sodomy” and rail against it. 😛

      • jonathan young
        jonathan young
        February 18, 2022 at 9:41 am | #

        oh someone’s gettin’ railed alright!

    • Axel_Grease
      Axel_Grease
      February 18, 2022 at 10:57 am | #

      I could see various lesbian activities as loopholes.

  40. Lone Duck
    Lone Duck
    February 18, 2022 at 5:16 am | #

    I think Becky will back out. Because it is a choice to stand still and be undressed, I think Becky’s guilt will push her away. That’s just my own experience with my own fundamentalism. Hope I’m wrong.

  41. LazyReader
    LazyReader
    February 18, 2022 at 5:43 am | #

    It started with a hat…..

    • Wack'd
      Wack'd
      February 18, 2022 at 10:31 am | #

      becky macintyre, college freshman, eager to escape a bright future at anderson university, fled her father as an educational opportunity to learn the business of lesbianism

      • Clif
        Clif
        February 18, 2022 at 11:12 pm | #

        Horatio Alger would be proud.

        • Wack'd
          Wack'd
          February 20, 2022 at 11:51 pm | #

          it’s a french dispatch reference

  42. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    February 18, 2022 at 5:54 am | #

    Proverbs only got boring text about women, Becky. “Virtuous woman” and shit. You better look in Song of the Songs.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      February 18, 2022 at 6:37 am | #

      @Amos, wanna see something that’s the opposite of boring? 🙃

      Given you seem to be interested in my work, care to drop me a Discord handle or email or something so I can show you some of my works in progress?

      • Amós Batista
        Amós Batista
        February 18, 2022 at 1:18 pm | #

        Sure: Amós#9009

  43. Alan in DC
    Alan in DC
    February 18, 2022 at 5:58 am | #

    And if she DOESNT enjoy it – in her pants- and just stops cold, that’ll be one of the most disappointing ends to a story arc published anywhere, anytime.
    Guess I’ll have to wait and see.

  44. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    February 18, 2022 at 6:04 am | #

    This is adorable!!!

  45. Raen
    Raen
    February 18, 2022 at 6:54 am | #

    I increasingly feel like the two of them need to have an entirely unsexy talk about what will and will not be okay for them to do.

  46. Amelie Wikström
    Amelie Wikström
    February 18, 2022 at 7:23 am | #

    This may have more to do with the bamptism shenanigans Willis tweeted about yesterday than with today’s strip but it’s not unrelated. I’ve been thinking about the weird way both the Catholic church and Becky’s church conflates the will of God with church doctrine.

    Like when the priest says the wrong words and you die before the mistake is corrected so you go to Hell for all eternity, according to certain strict interpretations of scripture. Except it doesn’t matter because the holy man has declared you’re still saved as long as you accept God’s love. It turns out following the letter of the law is irrelevant.

    But then you look into what this “accepting God’s love” stuff means specifically, and there are highly specific, quantifiable, exclusionary definitions in scripture – if you look at the world around you and happen to see Mother Earth or anything worth worshiping, in fact if you fail to see the God of Abraham and His love for you personally, you’re fucked. The letter of the law doesn’t just lay out the details of rituals and incantations you have to follow to receive salvation; it lays out exactly what you need to think and feel to fulfill its spirit to escape damnation.

    So Becky has to look for loopholes in scripture to be allowed to feel certain things and touch her SO in certain ways because the church has taught her God judges her according to the rules as written by the church. Which is sad. I had a lot of hope that recognizing the church was full of crap had allowed her to divorce God from dogma and keep just the one she needs.

    Though she seems to still work towards it at least.

  47. Beau Kirin Maysey
    Beau Kirin Maysey
    February 18, 2022 at 8:32 am | #

    Becky be fighting against herself for character progress

  48. Zee
    Zee
    February 18, 2022 at 8:51 am | #

    Remember when this kinda content used to be Slipshine exclusive?

    • Alan in DC
      Alan in DC
      February 18, 2022 at 11:24 am | #

      Well-ll, not completely… Dorothy easily doffed her top when Walky asked her to in the first semester, and that stayed in the mainline version.

      • King Daniel
        King Daniel
        February 18, 2022 at 3:14 pm | #

        Also, we got an uncensored look at Walky’s li’l Walky. Again, in the main strip.

  49. Keulen
    Keulen
    February 18, 2022 at 9:39 am | #

    I like that the first article of clothing Dina removed was Becky’s hat.

    • Axel_Grease
      Axel_Grease
      February 18, 2022 at 10:51 am | #

      She’s got her priorities in order.

    • Bicycle Bill
      Bicycle Bill
      February 18, 2022 at 5:31 pm | #

      Now run your fingers through her hair while taking copious notes because, well, ‘science’.

  50. Ryek Hvek
    Ryek Hvek
    February 18, 2022 at 10:20 am | #

    like the motto says, “Undress for Success.”

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      February 18, 2022 at 10:43 am | #

      “You should always undress for the handjob you want.” – Abraham Lincoln

  51. RHWHX
    RHWHX
    February 18, 2022 at 11:05 am | #

    Man, I love Dina, she’s my fav. And if it comes to Becky, it’s making me sad that her fundie upbringing is making her horny full of guilt and shame. I wonder if the horny is gonna win.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      February 18, 2022 at 11:10 am | #

      Based on the whole of human history, I’ve got good money on the horny winning. It’s got an impeccable track record.

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        February 18, 2022 at 4:14 pm | #

        Dina agrees. Evolutionary speaking, our genes are predisposed towards the horny winning.

  52. RedCat
    RedCat
    February 18, 2022 at 12:33 pm | #

    Show of hand, how many ex-christians have a guilt-kink?

    • Bicycle Bill
      Bicycle Bill
      February 18, 2022 at 4:42 pm | #

      raising hand“Present!”

      Once went to a legal brothel in Nevada. Had a drink at the bar and spoke with one of the ladies, who gave me the ten-cent tour of the place, after which we ended up at her room where we were supposed to negotiate what kind of ‘party’ we were going to have.  Was unable to conclude the deal (while I suspect that might have been as much for financial reasons as for religious guilt, the feeling that I was breaking a Major Rule and was consigned myself to Hell for all eternity was still there), and returned to the bar where I had another beer and eventually bought a baseball hat as a souvenir.

  53. TallPacked
    TallPacked
    February 18, 2022 at 2:18 pm | #

    Dina’s about to part the Dead(red?) Sea

  54. Rosicrucian
    Rosicrucian
    February 18, 2022 at 2:19 pm | #

    Fundie kids would 100% do weird technicalities like this, and if you don’t believe me you should google “Soaking” and “Jump-humping” (while not at work.)

  55. zee
    zee
    February 18, 2022 at 10:18 pm | #

    I just wanted to point out that i think it’s funny how there are 3 separate commenters with variations of Z(ee) as a name and we’re all here today which i don’t think ever happens

    • zee
      zee
      February 18, 2022 at 10:19 pm | #

      My people of the single letter and capitalized varieties, i hope you see this and think it’s funny too

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www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... Wanna Tricerahoodie Dina plush? GO PLEDGE FOR ONE! We need 200 people to make it happen! Pledge period will end in 10 days!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 16h
had a personal trainer for a couple years now, and still i get folks trying to um, actually the situations present in my exermacise strips
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 18h
Other 3D printing adventures: bought this Velocity head on Cults, sized it down a tiny bit (it's meant for Velocitron Override), then painted it and gave it to my Velocity custom made from Legacy Arcee.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 19h
two days to go! www.makeship.com/petitions/tr...
damnyouwillis.bsky.social's user avatarDavid M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 9d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... Wanna Tricerahoodie Dina plush? GO PLEDGE FOR ONE! We need 200 people to make it happen! Pledge period will end in 10 days!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Dumbing of Age: "How many" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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Two days left to collect pledges for a Tricerahoodie Dina plush!  If we reach 200 pledges by Thursday, Dina will be made! That sounds pretty rad, I dunno!  Run over there if you want to help make this...
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Kashana @kashana.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Can’t believe nobody wants to go to a soccer game to be kidnapped by ICE
phillewis.bsky.social's user avatarPhil Lewis @phillewis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
FIFA Club World Cup ticket sales tank dramatically after the Dept. of Homeland Security bragged that agents would be “suited and booted" at the stadium in a now-deleted social media post
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FIFA Club World Cup Ticket Sales TANK After DHS Says Agents Will Be At Stadium
Tickets to the opening match that were once $349 (and up) could be had for just $4.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Three days to go! www.makeship.com/petitions/tr...
damnyouwillis.bsky.social's user avatarDavid M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 9d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... Wanna Tricerahoodie Dina plush? GO PLEDGE FOR ONE! We need 200 people to make it happen! Pledge period will end in 10 days!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
www.ebay.com/itm/23615364... selling my studio series 86-11 perceptor! with *jazz hands* instructions!!!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
....got into spx on the waitlist dreams are real!!!!!!!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
hey guess who's getting sold next
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
ACAB means Dolly
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Three days to go! www.makeship.com/petitions/tr...
damnyouwillis.bsky.social's user avatarDavid M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 9d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... Wanna Tricerahoodie Dina plush? GO PLEDGE FOR ONE! We need 200 people to make it happen! Pledge period will end in 10 days!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
I think you mean the Slug-Maker
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
today in #9chickweedlane i guess we're memory-holing again that 1997 story where amos and edda kissed for the first time after she, uh, got shot at school
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
this has real "leia comforting luke for losing a guy he just met after her planet got exploded" energy
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Dumbing of Age: "Locate" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
butts disease
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Unnatural Selections @soundmirrors.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
It’s been awhile since I’ve more seriously read up on Ugaritic and Canaanite religions (alas, w/semi dated scholarship), but this is interesting, and not in a peaceful matriarchal fantasy kind of way.
theradr.bsky.social's user avatarRabbi Danya Ruttenberg @theradr.bsky.social ⋅ 22d
If you do a close read not only of the Bible but the archeology, it starts to look like the Israelites, & all but a couple of Judean kings, worshipped a goddess for pretty much the whole First Temple era. The implications of this are... far ranging-- & her name might not be what we've believed.
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Israelite Goddess Mystery Quest
smashing pillars / tracing echoes
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Have some sticker ideas for Toyhax
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
fellas, is hasbro trying to make toys for children again
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