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June 8, 2026

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by David M Willis on August 8, 2023 at 12:01 am
  • 04 – But Don't Give Yourself Away
└ Tags: asher, ethan

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    August 8, 2023 at 12:04 am | #

    “Ugh, SELF-CARE? MEH”

    funny how being “good” = being Walky (by funny, I mean, absolutely INFURIATING for Jennifer lolololol)

  2. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    August 8, 2023 at 12:04 am | #

    Asher getting into an “I can fix him” romance isn’t that surprising. That he’s the one doing the fixing though, can’t say I called that.

    • cbwroses
      cbwroses
      August 8, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

      If it wasn’t for the whole connection-to-the-Korean-mob-kidnapping-of-his-schoolmates-death-of-a-rotten-bastard thing, Asher would be one of the most got-it-together characters in the story.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        August 8, 2023 at 4:18 am | #

        “Every time I get out of the drama, it keeps pulling me back in!“

      • Delavan
        Delavan
        August 8, 2023 at 10:00 am | #

        Yeah. I feel like there’s some background “Asher had a wakeup call” story coming…

  3. C.T. Phipps
    C.T. Phipps
    August 8, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Asher will tell Jennifer about this and she will insult him for being a loser for staying faithful.

    • Lumino
      Lumino
      August 8, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

      Of course she will, because Jennifer is basically Mary with the serial numbers filed off.

      • Wack'd
        Wack'd
        August 8, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

        must’ve missed the part where jennifer maliciously misgendered a trans person, blackmailed a suicidally depressed person for being a lesbian, and tried to prevent said suicidally depressed person from receiving treatment to extend said blackmail

        these are all the same as being a petty jerk, sure

        • Insanenoodlyguy
          Insanenoodlyguy
          August 8, 2023 at 2:50 am | #

          Roller skaters are a menace and Mary masturbates to Ronald Regan. Everything Mary does is justified and she is perfect.

        • Raen
          Raen
          August 8, 2023 at 12:52 pm | #

          I feel to some extent that Jennifer is basically lucky she didn’t do anything like that – her actions are less harmful not because she has a better nature, but because her toxicity found less harmful outlets.

          • zee
            zee
            August 8, 2023 at 1:25 pm | #

            Billifers toxic but she’s not a bigot (not actively at least, she’s still a sheltered white passing Midwestern rich girl in desperate need of some education). I wouldn’t say it’s lucky she never did those things bc as bad as she can be, I don’t think it’d occur to her to be that outright evil. Like don’t get it twisted, billies a bongo, Mary is genuine evil.

        • Lysbeth
          Lysbeth
          August 8, 2023 at 1:15 pm | #

          It happened slightly out of frame you just didn’t see it much like the hyperbole in the previous comment

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        August 8, 2023 at 12:35 am | #

        They’re both bongos, but they’re very different sorts of bongo and one is much, much worse than the other.

      • Insanenoodlyguy
        Insanenoodlyguy
        August 8, 2023 at 2:48 am | #

        No, Mary would insult him for considering it. She’d praise the being faithful part.

        • Tan
          Tan
          August 8, 2023 at 8:08 am | #

          Praise? No. Maybe backhanded ‘praise’ while making homophobic remarks and generally asserting her moral superiority

    • audkitten
      audkitten
      August 8, 2023 at 12:07 am | #

      Imagine if THAT is what makes her break up with him

      • C.T. Phipps
        C.T. Phipps
        August 8, 2023 at 4:28 am | #

        I fully believe Asher will tell her, she’ll react that he’s not BAD BOY enough, and he’ll dump her.

        And then Jennifer will be confused that people dump HER.

  4. Animedingo
    Animedingo
    August 8, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Why does asher have the most mental health here

    • Mr. Random
      Mr. Random
      August 8, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

      People with money get therapy?

      • Jo_cubstar
        Jo_cubstar
        August 8, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

        Checks out^

      • Segnosaur
        Segnosaur
        August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

        Perhaps. But Asher’s family has criminal ties. It may be a stereotype but I can’t imagine mental health being a big thing in that environment

        • cbwroses
          cbwroses
          August 8, 2023 at 12:16 am | #

          *Stares in “the Sopranos was a whole thing”*

          • RowenMorland
            RowenMorland
            August 8, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

            Wasn’t his getting therapy a dangerous secret for him?

            • Dragonfire
              Dragonfire
              August 8, 2023 at 1:07 am | #

              It also made him a more effective criminal, though.

        • Wack'd
          Wack'd
          August 8, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

          have you watched the sopranos

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            August 8, 2023 at 8:11 am | #

            I wasn’t aware it was a documentary.

      • Nono
        Nono
        August 8, 2023 at 12:43 am | #

        Eh, Becky seems mostly okay for being a broke teen. She’s got her hangups but she’s a lot more aware of hers.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          August 8, 2023 at 8:15 am | #

          That qualification’s doing a lot of work there.
          And Becky has long practice at pretending to be fine, covering up childhood abuse.

      • Amós Batista
        Amós Batista
        August 8, 2023 at 5:38 am | #

        Perhaps, but therapy means him telling secrets…
        I don’t know if therapist can hold criminals secrets from their patients.

        • Nono
          Nono
          August 8, 2023 at 6:00 am | #

          It varies according to country. But the standard is that therapists are under no obligation to, and depending on the country it can even be considered breaking confidentiality laws.

          The exceptions are for cases of future planned child abuse and acts of terrorism, at least as far as the UK goes.

        • TheScreenJockey
          TheScreenJockey
          August 8, 2023 at 7:54 am | #

          In most U.S. States (incl. Indiana) conversations with a credentialed therapist are generally confidential, and can only be revealed under court order (or with the client’s consent) . . . and such court orders can only be issued under specific circumstances.

          For instance, in Florida, where I practice, a therapist can only break confidentiality if the client tells them about either 1) an ongoing or impending (NOT completed) crime against any minor or an elderly or disabled adult, or 2) a crime or threat of crime (implied or explicit) against the therapist who is breaking confidentiality.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      August 8, 2023 at 12:45 am | #

      I mean, there’s two people here and Ethan’s really not doing so well.

    • Bash
      Bash
      August 8, 2023 at 6:49 am | #

      He’s had the least amount of (on-screen) trauma?

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 8, 2023 at 8:15 am | #

        It’s good to not be in the main cast.

    • zee
      zee
      August 8, 2023 at 1:28 pm | #

      Got a head start in taking care of himself after running away from his mob family? Have the cast has shitty families but it looks like he was the first to try cut himself off from his, even if he can get dragged back in. Probably took a lot of introspection in his teen years and a realization of “I want better than this, I deserve better than this. I can be better”

  5. Mr. Random
    Mr. Random
    August 8, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    I think some undeserved nerd rage is exactly what he needs.

  6. Kyoulkoa
    Kyoulkoa
    August 8, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Less fun, but not NOT fun

  7. Wack'd
    Wack'd
    August 8, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    “Take care of yourself, Ethan. Normally, that’s an empty platitude, but with you, I think you need the occasional reminder.”

  8. NGPZ
    NGPZ
    August 8, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    I think i know what piece of Willis resides in Ethan 😗

    Also i may not type here much tonight ’cause my dominant hand is swollen 😖😭

    • cbwroses
      cbwroses
      August 8, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

      Is “speech to text” an option?

    • GholaHalleck
      GholaHalleck
      August 8, 2023 at 12:13 am | #

      But what about the submissive and breed-able hand?

      *flees*

      • NGPZ
        NGPZ
        August 8, 2023 at 12:27 am | #

        hahaha ngl that made me chuckle

        ah well, doing laundry it with ol’ lefty tonight i guess

      • Kyrik Michalowski
        Kyrik Michalowski
        August 8, 2023 at 12:49 am | #

        I get the feeling the feeling you have seen some Telepurte videos.

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        August 8, 2023 at 3:26 am | #

        For most people that’s the same hand.

  9. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    August 8, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    What’s even happening on the Transformers wiki right now?…..I wish they’d make a real sequel to the war for cybertron games.

    • Formedras
      Formedras
      August 8, 2023 at 12:13 am | #

      I wish Activision would rerelease the War for Cybertron games. Heck, not even a remaster. Just a basic port for X1/PS4, and a straight-up rerelease minus DRM on Steam.
      Maybe anti-cheat. Maybe. If it also comes with a no-anti-cheat EXE for lots and lots of mods.

      • Sirksome
        Sirksome
        August 8, 2023 at 12:30 am | #

        Yeah it’s kind of crazy there’s no way to legally play those games on modern hardware. Some of the best Transformers games ever are essentially lost media. Equally crazy no one’s decided to develop more Transformers video games in the shooter genre, or really at all. I think there’s a rts game that came out a while ago but that’s been it for years.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          August 8, 2023 at 4:26 am | #

          Are the original installers broken on modern PCs, or are they just out of print?

          Could they theoretically re-release them on GOG with the DRM removed? They carry games that are much older than that. If they run fine on modern PCs, the big hurdle would be licensing.

          • Sirksome
            Sirksome
            August 8, 2023 at 9:27 am | #

            The problem is that the games have been delisted. I’m not sure on the technical hurdles, but it does have emulations that run pretty easily. That’s technically “piracy” though and not many people have the knowledge to run emulations even though it’s fairly easy on modern computers.

            As to why it’s not been re-released by the publisher? The answer could be anything. Hasbro has expressed interest in a re-release, but the games are owned by Activision Blizzard. Probably just think there’s not a lot of money in re-releasing a couple of niche games over a decade old.

      • NGPZ
        NGPZ
        August 8, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

        They probs wont ’cause capitalism — porting over a game that old and publishing it would probably cost more than what they’d make back 😗

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      August 8, 2023 at 12:36 am | #

      New cartoon episodes right? The one with at least two ex-GOT guys doing voice work in it.

  10. Mehe
    Mehe
    August 8, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    Consider me pleasantly surprised by Asher here.

  11. Zane Becker-Byrd
    Zane Becker-Byrd
    August 8, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    Ethan you need to get out more.Wait no, not like that. He has a girlfriend!

  12. Jo_cubstar
    Jo_cubstar
    August 8, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

    Is Asher actually a decent guy? 🤔

    • cbwroses
      cbwroses
      August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

      As decent as a guy we shouldn’t trust can be.

    • Switchchris
      Switchchris
      August 8, 2023 at 12:13 am | #

      I get the Vibe that while he has done some seriously messed up stuff in the past, probably because of his family, the dude has chilled out and tried to become better.

    • Francoinblanco
      Francoinblanco
      August 8, 2023 at 12:23 am | #

      I have the impression that Asher has simply already processed it all and managed to sort out a few things before the others. Only his blindness to jeniffer surprises me

      • Laura
        Laura
        August 8, 2023 at 12:34 am | #

        …Or his patience with her.

      • Dante
        Dante
        August 8, 2023 at 12:35 am | #

        Like Thag Simmons said earlier, he’s got the “I can fix him” trait; and also remember

        1- He was brought up in a way toxic and narcissistic environment
        2- He “wants to do better”. He probably… holy shit, this is familiar, he probably holds onto very tightly to the idea people can be better if they put in the work.

        Which is right, imho, just. Jennifer hasn’t… quite… put in the work :’DD Not in the healthy way skdjgs

        • Imogen
          Imogen
          August 8, 2023 at 12:48 am | #

          I don’t think Asher thinks he can fix Jennifer. A part of him thinks she’s fixing him.

          • zee
            zee
            August 8, 2023 at 1:30 pm | #

            Porque no los dos? Mutual fixing

            • milu
              milu
              August 8, 2023 at 7:09 pm | #

              🎵 Mutual fixing is something that’s good for me

              (@Laura made me do it)

              • Laura
                Laura
                August 9, 2023 at 12:02 am | #

                Hee hee!

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      August 8, 2023 at 12:43 am | #

      Asher is trying to be a decent guy, if nothing else.

      He’s got a lot of baggage from how his folks raised him and he’s still working through all that, but that’s true for most of our main characters. His situation is a lot higher stakes than the rest, admittedly, and his status as a late introduced secondary character means he’s more likely to fail than the rest, but at least for now he’s not hopeless.

      • Mark
        Mark
        August 8, 2023 at 5:44 pm | #

        Possibly rather than “better” he thinks of it as “I want less danger in my life.”

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      August 8, 2023 at 1:09 am | #

      Maybe he is just being polite instead of saying “I follow the policy of never sleeping with someone crazier than myself.”

    • TheScreenJockey
      TheScreenJockey
      August 8, 2023 at 7:57 am | #

      Lots of career criminals are “decent dudes” so long as you are not the target of one of their crimes. They don’t just go around being generally shitty to people. Crime is their PROFESSION, and like most people, they behave differently in a professional setting than in a social one.

      • Anon A Mouse
        Anon A Mouse
        August 8, 2023 at 10:04 am | #

        I know Asher has been an accessory to crimes and very likely committed a few, I have a hard time seeing him as a “career criminal”, regardless of his ties. And he appears to be seeking a new “profession” from what little details we have on him.

        • pope suburban
          pope suburban
          August 8, 2023 at 6:24 pm | #

          Yeah, I understand that Asher is a legal adult now, but he’s been that for like…five minutes. Up until right now, he was a child who had as much say as any child in what he did with his life, which is to say very little. Dad tells you to drop this off with your uncle, you do it. Grandpa threatens your friends unless you make a call, you do it- and that’s a situation that would be overwhelming for an independent adult, never mind an adolescent raised with skewed norms around acceptable behavior and obedience. Asher seem to want a normal life for himself. Frankly, I’m not even mad that he took from his family to make that possible, because they’re the ones who set him back and appear to want to keep him back with regards to going legit. Godspeed you, kid, get out and don’t look back. I only hope it doesn’t bring him and/or his loved ones to ruin later on.

  13. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    I guess it’s nice that Asher is a decent dude but sometimes even decent dudes still can’t be trusted. We should all remember that.

  14. CallynD
    CallynD
    August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    Is Ethan also autobiographical? Because I think Ethan is also autobiographical.

    • GholaHalleck
      GholaHalleck
      August 8, 2023 at 12:15 am | #

      I think each character is a piece of Willis.

      Ethan is probably the guy who reverts all of his jokes on the transformers wiki that he wants to fight/smooch.

      • cbwroses
        cbwroses
        August 8, 2023 at 12:20 am | #

        Here’s hoping the Blaine and Toe dad pieces were killed off with their characters.

        • milu
          milu
          August 8, 2023 at 12:12 pm | #

          Those were never 1st-person-POV characters

          • cbwroses
            cbwroses
            August 8, 2023 at 6:32 pm | #

            I never thought they were.
            I was just playing off GholaHalleck.

    • LiamKav
      LiamKav
      August 8, 2023 at 5:10 am | #

      I believe (although I might be wrong) that Ethan was created on Shortpacked! to be DW’s mouthpiece, although I think he realised that he was actually a lot more like Amber (at least on that series).

  15. Pylgrim
    Pylgrim
    August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    If you told me 5 years ago that Asher was going to become one of the more morally upright characters in the comic, I’d have laughed at you.

  16. Axel
    Axel
    August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    I could get into this as a long term ship. Sometime to allow for the inevitable breakup with Jennifer, then either some time until starting a relationship OR an immediate hookup that later ends up serious with Ethan, maybe a kind of quiet, supporting each other relationship, instead of making out in the halls?

    • Axel
      Axel
      August 8, 2023 at 1:17 am | #

      okay, now I can see this comment and not my other comment when I ctrl+f. Weird.

      • Axel
        Axel
        August 8, 2023 at 1:21 am | #

        NEVERMIND, I just didn’t see the update go by, my comments were on yesterday

  17. BBCC
    BBCC
    August 8, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    Well at least some of him remains intact!

  18. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    August 8, 2023 at 12:12 am | #

    I do like that Ethan still has Transformers.

    • Switchchris
      Switchchris
      August 8, 2023 at 12:15 am | #

      A Transformers fan will always be a transformers fan, the head death of the universe couldn’t stop that lol.

      • Switchchris
        Switchchris
        August 8, 2023 at 12:18 am | #

        Dang it… it lagged and posted twice…

    • Switchchris
      Switchchris
      August 8, 2023 at 12:16 am | #

      A Transformers fan will always be a transformers fan, the heat death of the universe couldn’t stop that lol.

      • Laura
        Laura
        August 8, 2023 at 12:36 am | #

        Mmm… I prefer “head death”. “La petite mort”…

      • Jeff K!
        Jeff K!
        August 8, 2023 at 12:46 am | #

        No no, you had it right. We’re talking Transformers, the universe probably has a head.

  19. Pocky
    Pocky
    August 8, 2023 at 12:12 am | #

    Time for some HEALING

    • Laura
      Laura
      August 8, 2023 at 3:52 am | #

      “When I get thar feeling…”

  20. Dara
    Dara
    August 8, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

    Oh get with the programme, Asher, this is DUMBING of Age, not Asher Being Smart of Age.

    • cbwroses
      cbwroses
      August 8, 2023 at 12:50 am | #

      Maybe being faithful to Jennifer and staying with her is the dumb decision?

      • Bruno
        Bruno
        August 8, 2023 at 11:59 pm | #

        Doesn’t mean impulsively making out with the first messed up guy who asks is the smart one.

  21. Dday
    Dday
    August 8, 2023 at 12:22 am | #

    Gotta put the dialogue from panel 1 on a t-shirt

  22. Slartibeast Button, BIA
    Slartibeast Button, BIA
    August 8, 2023 at 12:23 am | #

    Is the idea here that getting in a Transfomers wiki edit war will paper over the depression with rage?

  23. Raen
    Raen
    August 8, 2023 at 12:28 am | #

    How the hell is the guy who literally murdered a guy in a hospital bed now the moral compass?

    • Grimey
      Grimey
      August 8, 2023 at 12:33 am | #

      The closest comparison for someone I’ve had in my life similar to Asher was my college roommate’s brother. My roommate and I were close friends, so I got to know her brother well. He’d done many horrible things as a teenager, vandalism, and assault, and was only a year removed from another charge. He was turning his life around, but he was always the voice of moral choice around us. His reasoning was that he’d done pretty awful things so he didn’t want anyone else to make bad choices if they could help it.

      He went on to work in rehabilitation for other ex-felons.

      • Arian
        Arian
        August 8, 2023 at 3:42 am | #

        Awesome.

      • Mark
        Mark
        August 8, 2023 at 5:49 pm | #

        [applause]

    • UrsulaDavina
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      August 8, 2023 at 12:35 am | #

      His moral compass is a roulette wheel?

    • drs
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      August 8, 2023 at 12:58 am | #

      It’s not like Asher has people killed for shits and giggles, as far as we can see. He seems to be trying to distance himself from the mob. But Blaine blackmailed him or something, and was an obvious violent sociopath to boot. Blaine invoked mob context, and got dealt with the mob way. Asher might see it as self-defense, or cleanup, or something.

      Even fully active mob types can have morals or standards, like “don’t cheat on your wife” or “don’t sell drugs to kids”

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        August 8, 2023 at 5:29 am | #

        Also decently likely that Asher’s involvement was limited to bringing Blaine’s actions to the attention of the family.

    • Scruffy looking nerfherder
      Scruffy looking nerfherder
      August 8, 2023 at 3:24 am | #

      People act like Asher was out here gunning down nuns for shiggles. The guy he had pulled down was a violent, wife beater who blackmailed him into helping him kidnap what was essentially a group of college women(excluding two people.) for revenge. A fucked up thing to do, yes. A villain that all the DOA characters need to be weary of because his dubious and nefarious nature? Nothing about his characterization has screamed that at all. Mary is more intimidating.

      • pope suburban
        pope suburban
        August 8, 2023 at 6:31 pm | #

        Yeah like…I’m not saying that everything Asher has done was morally impeccable, but he was also a child for most of it. A child raised in an environment not conducive to what most would call good behavior. How hard are we realistically gonna be on a child? Especially since, from what we know, when Asher hit the age of reason, he started trying to distance himself from the crime. He’s not really so different from Joyce in that he grew up in a skewed environment and needed a fairly short amount of time to deprogram himself. Whatever he did with regard to Blaine seemed to be under some amount of duress on Asher’s part, and also, have you *met* Blaine? A violent kidnapper, lifelong domestic abuser, and unabashed mob stooge who took joy in hurting others was stopped, which I think is a net win for humanity even if the means weren’t exactly squeaky-clean. Asher seems to have kept to the right path since and that ought to count for something.

      • Raen
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        August 9, 2023 at 10:40 pm | #

        Sure, he wasn’t “gunning down nuns,” but he was an accomplice to a murder! Yes, the murder of a pretty lousy human being, but still a human being! (I feel like Jimmy Stewart right now.)

    • C.T. Phipps
      C.T. Phipps
      August 8, 2023 at 4:30 am | #

      The answer is, “He is a murderer but the person he murdered is Blaine. So, did he really do anything wrong?”

    • Francoinblanco
      Francoinblanco
      August 8, 2023 at 5:02 am | #

      professional have standards

    • LiamKav
      LiamKav
      August 8, 2023 at 5:13 am | #

      Wait, did I miss the bit where Asher literally murdered someone? I thought Blaine was murdered by a cop?

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        August 8, 2023 at 5:25 am | #

        Asher was involved enough to get informed that it was done. At best he’s an accessory to the murder, at worst he ordered the hit himself

      • Koname
        Koname
        August 8, 2023 at 5:28 am | #

        He was, Asher just put the call in to his family. People might be compounding that moment in their memory since its been a few years now.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          August 8, 2023 at 8:22 am | #

          My assumption is that he reported it to the family then got told to handle it using family resources. So not doing it on his own initiative, but still responsible. That’s why it was reported to him when it was done.

          Also potentially a way of pulling him back in towards the family business

      • bhtooefr
        bhtooefr
        August 8, 2023 at 5:56 am | #

        https://www.dumbingofage.com/2020/comic/book-10/04-is-a-song-forever/blammo/ pretty strongly implies that he ordered the hit.

        Especially as it’s a callback to https://www.dumbingofage.com/2020/comic/book-10/03-when-it-crumbles/gone-too/ where Blaine had apparently ordered him to pull the fire alarm, to get everyone out of the building to enable the kidnapping.

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      August 8, 2023 at 10:17 am | #

      … yeah, now I’m feeling kindof hypocritical.

    • zee
      zee
      August 8, 2023 at 1:33 pm | #

      Let’s not pretend murdering Blaine is anything but a morally upstanding act

    • Mark
      Mark
      August 8, 2023 at 5:48 pm | #

      Um, we haven’t seen or heard of the bent cop in a long time.

  24. Grayfinity
    Grayfinity
    August 8, 2023 at 12:29 am | #

    From 63.5 to 0. Good on ya, Asher. Get your sitch straight with Jennifer first.

    …
    THEN you can make out with Ethan.

  25. Dante
    Dante
    August 8, 2023 at 12:30 am | #

    … Booster will know this and their approval is going to know no bounds, isn’t it. ASHER PASSED THE VIBE CHECK??

    Like, Ethan went full-on “come to the dark side we’ve got makeouts and self-loathing” and Asher went like “what about kissing you without the latter. one day.” It’s super sweet :’33

  26. reed
    reed
    August 8, 2023 at 12:39 am | #

    mental health win! the worst person you know advised that the two of you not participate in the self-destructive behavior that brings you joy!

  27. IniquitousKing
    IniquitousKing
    August 8, 2023 at 1:14 am | #

    His shittiness during that awful breakfast aside, Asher’s really growing on me as of late. Really hope he pulls away from Jennifer, and Raidah’s group in general.

    I do kinda think Ethan’s shot himself in the foot bigtime here as far as any future fun times with Asher though. Someone pushing themselves onto you like that (The verbal pushiness, not the surprise kiss, though that could have also gone very poorly) has got to be a huge turn-off/red flag.

  28. Blibdoolpoolp
    Blibdoolpoolp
    August 8, 2023 at 1:27 am | #

    I can’t help but feel like if Jennifer hears about this she’s gonna be more disappointed Asher didn’t keep going.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      August 8, 2023 at 7:53 pm | #

      Yep, she heavily implied after Sal confronted her about Asher that she wanted him to cheat to ‘inject the drama into her veins.’

  29. Queezle
    Queezle
    August 8, 2023 at 1:33 am | #

    Is it bad that I kind of want Asher to break up with Jennifer? She is so horrible to him. And while I can not quite forget his role in the kidnapping and subsequent events, maybe he really is trying to be a good guy now?

    • Imogen
      Imogen
      August 8, 2023 at 2:00 am | #

      I think people ignore that Asher was, if I remember correctly, *threatened* into playing that role. Yes, it still wasn’t great, but it wasn’t something he wanted to do. So far, Asher fits pretty tidily amongst our cast of “poor dumbass teenagers making terrible decisions”.

    • darkgloomie
      darkgloomie
      August 8, 2023 at 2:32 am | #

      He did probably arrange for Blaine’s death. Or if he did not arrange for it, he wanted to be informed of it. (Which- fair? Blaine did threathen him).

      Really, all we know is that he’s probably trying to distance his family and mob ties.

  30. 0kami
    0kami
    August 8, 2023 at 2:40 am | #

    Also, Ethan…

    Wash. Your. FAAAAACE.

    • Laura
      Laura
      August 8, 2023 at 3:55 am | #

      And brush your teeth before you run up and kiss someone!

  31. JD
    JD
    August 8, 2023 at 2:43 am | #

    i respect asher for not being the unfaithful type however i must admit i am disappointed about the fact the odds of a fun little cheating plotline are looking low at the moment

  32. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    August 8, 2023 at 5:16 am | #

    it’s 3rd date material, ethan. 3rd.

  33. Megan Rivera
    Megan Rivera
    August 8, 2023 at 5:23 am | #

    I gotta say, I actually hope Asher turns his life around and is a good person from here on out. This could be a great start.

    • Diane
      Diane
      August 8, 2023 at 10:32 am | #

      I want to have faith in Asher as well. But the fact that he called in a hit on Blaine means he still has connections with his grandfather, and the whole “washing his hands of the mob” is not true. Maybe he truly did try to get away but got pulled back in because of Blaine, maybe it was a bluff because they knew they were getting known and wanted to have plausible deniability for his grandson to take the reins. Still hoping he’ll try to be good in the end.

  34. Amelie Wikström
    Amelie Wikström
    August 8, 2023 at 5:24 am | #

    Asher keeps showing such a suspicious attitude (I mean, acute depressive self-destruction is hot?) while acting perfectly decent. Maybe even. . .too perfect. No he just can’t win with me, at least not before his part in the murders is dealt with and we know for sure how out of the mob he is.

  35. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    August 8, 2023 at 5:43 am | #

    Asher and Joe are the great example of boys that can improve themselves, being better than yesterday.

  36. Willoughby Chase
    Willoughby Chase
    August 8, 2023 at 9:32 am | #

    “Live fast, die young” sure is a motto but do you want to live it?

    • True Survivor
      True Survivor
      August 8, 2023 at 10:18 am | #

      Depends on how vulnerable you are to predators. It is basically the reproductive strategy of aphids. Of course, Ethan is unlikely to be eaten alive by ladybugs so he should probably start working on his mental health.

      It is definitely one sick motto though.

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        August 8, 2023 at 12:42 pm | #

        Aphids are cute.
        I might be influenced by that grounded game tho

  37. Vulcanodon
    Vulcanodon
    August 8, 2023 at 10:30 am | #

    Asher doing better, becoming better.

    • Mancuso
      Mancuso
      August 8, 2023 at 4:56 pm | #

      And wasting it on Billie of all people.

  38. Dot
    Dot
    August 8, 2023 at 10:40 am | #

    Trading one self-destructive habit with another, I suppose.

  39. Raven
    Raven
    August 8, 2023 at 10:40 am | #

    Asher is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters and I’m not sure what to do about that

  40. Acher4
    Acher4
    August 8, 2023 at 11:05 am | #

    Asher is a good egg… :O
    <3 😀

  41. John
    John
    August 8, 2023 at 1:25 pm | #

    Ethan, GO TO THERAPY!!!!!

  42. Mancuso
    Mancuso
    August 8, 2023 at 4:53 pm | #

    My younger kid complained to me that a very cute, extremely flirty guy rejected him the other night on the premise that he (other guy) was straight. I argued that it was less depressing than being rejected by a gay guy just because he’s not into you. True, he said, except dude was totally gay – just scared. Small town, we both sighed.

  43. milu
    milu
    August 8, 2023 at 7:03 pm | #

    So confused with everyone up-thumbing and back-clapping Asher today. I didn’t imagine yall were so serious about your “cheating bad” stance as to enjoy a hot character in a dramedy comic literally titled “kids making bad calls” choosing not to fuck just because that would allegedly be “””wrong””

    I for one am devastated

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      August 8, 2023 at 8:37 pm | #

      If the characters don’t teach me how to behave, how will I have morals?

      • Slartibeast Button, BIA
        Slartibeast Button, BIA
        August 9, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

        You get them from the fear of a big guy in the sky who will have you tortured for eternity if you don’t kiss his ass energetically enough, duh!

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