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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 22d
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WELP
that avatar finishes the sentence for you
joyce, you’re messed up… but still oddly cute… i wonder if the no crazy rule works for blonds?
Clearly a dream sequence.
And then she wakes up with damp sheets.
I’m guessing it’s just a dream too.
Well I’d hope so since she has magically switched beds from the last page.
Very observant, this one.
I noticed the mirror dresser, and said, “hey, that doesn’t belong in a college dorm! i should know!”
Of course! Why else choose that avatar?
And since that building appears to have some significant structural faults…
That or the campus is currently warping space/time, and this is the wrong universe for that.
Ethan not being gay warps space/time. This is why you don’t break canon, even in dreams.
…the question is, did Willis ever confirm that none of the characters from this universe wouldn’t ever switch universes to one where stuff like universe switching can happen…?
True enough point. I mean look at the aliens and such, they’re not even ‘real’. Imagine what other changes could take place here.
Depends how hard and fast Ethan re-entered the closet. Chances are this is real and he caused a mini-wormhole to appear on campus.
Can’t wait to see how Joyce treats Ethan when she wakes up. If she’s a typical woman he’ll get the blame for what she dreamt. Considering her ordeal at the end of book one, that may be pretty bad for Ethan.
Wow, sexist much?
Is it still sexist if it’s true? I suppose it could be. Associating negative personality traits with gender, even if a large amount of people share the same experience and can be called upon to validate the aforementioned negative traits… it’s still a blanket observation upon a very large and diverse group. It can’t be proven as a concrete fact no matter how many people come forward to testify its authenticity, because there’s always going to be an exception with individuals.
On the other hand… humans in general are predisposed towards avoiding blame. Both men and women are just as likely to attribute their problems to another person, and since the user Furie doesn’t specifically say that a typical man wouldn’t do the same thing. His or her statement COULD still be considered correct.
One could assume it’s a sexist statement, but it would only be an assumption. Without further information on the user Furie’s personal views, we can only guess as to his or her actual meaning. Unless the user Tualha is sexist, in which case he or she is sensitive to any remarks involving the subject and on the look out for them. Do people often find what they look for even if it isn’t necessarily there? Reading too far into imagined tones of voice within written text? Do I speculate far too much on why people get offended over stupid bull****? Perhaps. More speculation may be required.
This is the best analysis of a three-word comment.
^this
The only thing missing was “OBJECTION!”
No, it’s sexist.
your icon makes this all the better.
I think more speculation is required. Best get started!
Can we be friends?
How is it sexist? Way to say nothing and expect it to mean someting. This comic is a bit disturbing (the night invasion, the weird sexual reveral, etc.), but you are a twit begging for attention.
S/he was saying that the previous comment, that the “typical woman” would blame this dream on Ethan and get mad at him, is sexist. They were not commenting on the comic, they were commenting on someone else’ comment.
It was a pretty sexist comment. I don’t think I know any girls/women who, if they had a sexual dream, would get mad at the guy in it, whether they be religious, virgins, or none of the above.
It isn’t really sexist if you think of it from a writing point of view. The whole “having a dream about a person doing something wacky/odd/crazy, then waking up, attributing it to the real person and attacking them either verbally or literally for comedic effect” thing is a typical trope that’s used for freaky dream sequences like this. It isn’t gender or sex-related at all.
It is when you justify the speculation with “typical woman” rather than with “writing trope”.
I expect it’s rather more that he’s really there and saying that, but she’s still half asleep and dreaming an entirely different context from what he means.
Mind you, I think most people who wake up to find the object of their desire in their bedroom in the middle of the night saying “I’m here because you want me to have sex with you” aren’t going to be expecting that to end with “–and I can’t. Ever. Because I’m gay.”
Dream? Ethan just slips out in the middle of the night while leaving Joyce on the wet patch and she THINKS it’s a dream. Then it turns out that it was Mike disguised as Ethan all along, the devious bastard.
It would have to have involved drugs too, since that background is A. getting pretty trippy, and B. apparently her room back at home.
What if it’s Ryan, and she’s only DREAMING its Ethan?
Given that last panel in particular, yeah.
That dream IS pretty scary.
“I also secretly replaced your loft for ease of sexing.”
Because Jesus is a carpenter, ladies.
…that sounds SO Faz.
Ethan activated his magic card! Toon World!
He has the Toon Skull now, for proper boning.
Summon Toon Blue Eye White Dragon
Don’t worry, Joyce, you’re allowed to deny these urges, Ethan won’t be the least bit offended.
I kind of thought the clock tower looked like it was screaming. Now all I can think of is that tower watching them, the whole time, horrified.
I think it looks like it wants to eat them.
Now I’m imagining OM NOM NOM NOM to the tune of Big Ben’s chimes.
thank you for that mental song. it’s epic
Clock Tower:PREMARITAL HANKY PANKY!!!!!
Cannot sleep, clock will eat me.
CLOCKS DON’T WORK THAT WAY! GOOD NIGHT!
…Well, that escalated quickly.
I can think of something else she wants to escalate quicker.
I can think of something else she wants quick!
And then the clock tower eats them.
Actually had a dream like that once, this would have been over 20 years ago. There was also a giant skeleton in a leathers and chains, with a frying pan trying to cook people.
Wait, huh, what? Dreams? The clock king?
You have just entered… The Twilight Zone.
So she had a libido all along.
She admitted to having a libido pretty early on (see her date with Joe). She just believes it’s evil.
It’s the Evilibido. Libidevilo. Libelvodil. Bidlevi… in any case, it’s baaaaad.
Libevil.
However, she still seems perfectly willing to give in to it so long as no one finds out. That seems… I don’t think you get to yell “Premarital hanky panky!!” at anyone else and act all outraged and indignant if one is perfectly willing to indulge oneself, so long as you can pretend one didn’t.
–Hypocritical. Yeah, that’s the word I’m looking for.
Not really. This is a dream. Things happen and decisions are made in dreams that you would never make when you were awake. Though in retrospect it feels like you were in control, your subconsciousness is really what’s in the driver’s seat.
Joyce isn’t a hypocrite for dreaming about having sex. Her subconscious and unconscious mind are processing her feelings about having sex. That’s a major function of dreams, right there.
What this is, if anything, is a subconscious realization that her physical desires aren’t as controlled as she thinks they are. See also the ominous nature of Ethan’s entrance, and the reversion to her childhood bed, and the way the venetian blinds echo bars. This dream has gotten into the prison of Joyce’s desires, tempting the church to engulf and consume her for following those desires.
Reading the surface explanation into a sequence like this is generally a bad idea. And hypocrisy takes more than having the desire, even if that desire expresses in a dream.
Whether or not this is a bellweather for actual, waking events? Well, we’lkl see what happens next.
Libeezlebub, Mephilibidopheles
This Joyce is sure taking this better than the last one did.
Yeah, some nice synchronization between the storyline here and at BBR.
For the moment…wait until she wakes up.
Meanwhile, Ethan is dreaming about Roadblock.
This is Ethan’s dream.
Ah. Dream. Thank god.
Lol, this is not how my dreams go.
“No, Joyce. Don’t question why your dorm room suddenly became your bedroom from home. Don’t ask me how I know what your room at home looks like.”
Tempux the Clock Demon of Lust has infiltrated your dreams, Joyce! Now he will scream silently as you dream of having premarital hanky panky with a gay man.
“Your dorm room wasn’t erotic enough, so we’ll be having our encounter here in Tim Burton’s head!…Wait, what’s that?…Okay, Mr. Burton has just informed me that I’ve been recast as Johnny Depp, and you are now Helena Bonham Carter. Here, slather on this makeup to make you look like a silent film character, but save plenty for me, alright? Mr. Elfman will be along momentarily to provide the soundtrack.”
This post was just supposed to be that first sentence. It…got away from me, yeah.
I just assumed it was one of those wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey kinda things.
Nope that’s just what happens when Pinky Pie turns up.
If anyone could determine the subtle differences between Pinkie Pie and a Time Lord, it’s Dorothy.
/and then nobody can continue the chain
Challenge Accepted.
Good thing Akane was around to continue the joke.
And Zuko completed the challenge in record time.
Jeez Joyce, lay off the acid before going to sleep…
Well this just got positively Freudian…
Freud weeps at your misrepresentation of his theories
Theories are made to be misinterpreted!
That last panel made me think of Batman… Somehow his influence permeates through everything Willis creates in my mind.
I still think all this is completely real and not at all a dream or anything. Totz real
CALLED IT.
i’m confused is this a dream, or a reality, or both? what’s happening?
if it’s a damn dream then both my predictions were wrong, dammit man TELL ME
IS THIS THE REAL LIFE
IS THIS JUST FANTASY
CAUGHT IN A LANDSLIDE
NO ESCAPE FROM REALITY
OPEN YOUR EYES
LOOK UP TO THE SKIES AND SEE
Hey, I thought we did that yesterday. But what the heck, Ill do it anyway. I’M JUST A POOR BOY
I NEED NO SYMPATHY
BECAUSE I’M EASY CUM
EASY GO
LITTLE HIGH, LITTLE LOW
ANY WAY THE WIND BLOWS.
DOESN’T REALLY MATTER TO ME.
TO MEEEEEEE
MAMMA, JUST KILLED A MAN
PUT A GUN AGAINST HIS HEAD.
PULLED MY TRIGGER, NOW HE’S DEAD
MAMA, LIFE HAD JUST BEGUN
MAMA, LIFE HAD JUST BEGUN. BUT NOW I’VE GONE AND THROWN IT ALL AWAY.
MAMA, OO-OO-OOOH
DIDN’T MEAN TO MAKE YOU CRY
if i’m not back again this time tomorrow, carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters
TOO LATE, MY TIME HAS COME
SENDS SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE
BODY’S ACHING ALL THE TIIIME…
Goodbye everybody, Ive got to go, gonna leave
you all behind and face the truth…
MAMA, OO-OO-OOOO, I DON’T WANNA DIE. SOMETIMES WISH I’D NEVER BEEN BORN AT ALL.
One of those dreams, if you know what I mean…
a Legos vs. Transformers dream?
those are awesome.
One of those dreams where your subconscious realises that Ethan’s gay even if you haven’t consciously figured it out yet?
She’s going to take off her clothes (for sexy purposes) and then suddenly it’ll turn out they’ve been in class all along?
Her bed changed. In the last comic, it was it’s normal bunk-bed self with Lucy probably at the bottom. Now it’s a non-bunk bed. Do they even make non bunk beds? I don’t think they do. Damn you Willis for inventing new types of beds!
What would Lucy be doing there?
Maybe she got kicked out of her apartment because she didn’t pay her rent on time and just hanging out until she finishes her novel?
Her room at home? That’s MY room NOW! What the hell are those two doing here!?
I just imagine they’re literally on your bed and it’s pissing you off.
Panel 2: “I am a human sacrifice, your greatness.”
Thumpa-sprung.
Ethan’s preferences mean that Joyce could be in for a very rude awakening.
hopefully not literally.
I know how you can tell it’s a dream. The panel edges are all wibbly wobbly.
No… I think he was having trouble with the line tool in PShop from drinking too much of Mike’s Hard Lemonade (yeah… THAT Mike! And it ain’t lemonade neither!)
I like how they don’t get wibbly until halfway through the first panel, to avoid spoilers.
Especially not you. You knowing would be the worst.
Next comic, Sarah awakens. “OK, that’s answers ‘why’, but my next question is ‘how’. While answering, keep in mind this bat had a nice conversation with the last person who insisted Joyce wanted to have sex with him.”
…and that’s when she killed him. So he couldn’t talk.
that is the biggest mindfuck I’ve had this month
considering that this is probably gonna be a sex dream, apt description.
“…No one can know.”
And then Joyce produced a pistol equipped with a silencer, and promptly shot Ethan; through years of experience, the cleanup was as rapid and efficient as the shot. The cover? Impeccable.
It would be weeks until the police found the body, and by then, Joyce would be in the French Indies, sipping a martini to the sunset.
after she bangs him, of course.
So, death by snu-snu?
after? No, this happens DURING.
Also, Bill Murray was involved somehow.
Wait, am I mixing my memes again?
Your comment was just so much funnier since your av is Dina.
Welcome to my nightmare realm, my child…..Hope you have pleasant dreams……….
It felt so good when I did it with my penis! A girl let me do it, it literally just happened, havin’ sex can make a nice man out the meanest.
Wait, no, I’ve seen this one before! She’s not going crazy, she’s in a perfect dream world created by the Mad Hatter. Tomorrow she’s going to try and read a book, but it won’t make any sense!
She’s a college student — you’ve just described at least a quarter of her textbooks.
That really depends on her class load and her pet subject. Considering what we’ve seen I’m not sure whether she’d follow one of her books or not just being a student… I’d predict partial comprehension.
Not even herself can know. That’s why she’s going to forget this ever happened.
memory wipe x 2
I want to see more Jason
Well that was unexpected.
Called it!
*For best results, imagine said in Mr. Popo’s voice.*
That is hilarious.
I have just been rewatching DBZ too…
Still kinda expecting Mike to pop in aaaaany second now.
I’ve overseen the words “with me” the first time I read the comic. “You want to have sex with you” sounded… strange.
Relax, Joyce. Except for the people who have seen you in the same room with Ethan or heard you talk about him, no one suspects a thing.
So that makes… everybody?
Just everybody she knows. Complete strangers have no clue. She has the entire population of Minnesota completely fooled.
Somehow, I am thinking this isn’t a sexy dream. Thinking it might be related to the trauma of the rape attempt.
I was thinking it would be related to something similar that happened back at home. Otherwise I’m wondering why she’d be picturing it at home (assuming that is her room at home).
I figure the dialogue is 100% real, but Joyce is still half asleep, and her mind is taking what he’s saying and wrapping a dream around it. She’s actually mumbling into a drool-soaked pillow and won’t properly wake up until he says “–can’t because I’m gay.”
“Wait–WHAT?!”
Is this the part where her walls and floor turn into her coworkers and start chanting that she killed Fry?
Don’t worry
Bee happy
if she killed Fry, what happened to–right, he’s doing House.
Agree, Joyce is not looking as though she is anticipating any fun out of this midnight dream encounter. Near rape attack memories coming through finally?
Doubt it. That’s existential horror at the realization that the desire to have sex can’t be subsumed under the jesus.
Yea the first panel also conclusively shows it’s a dream. Note the fact that she’s in a bed… her own bed… not a bunk bed in a dorm room. Her own bed in her own room. I was briefly convinced it might not be, but yeaa…
And then she wakes up Joe’s bed.
But Joe is sleeping in the floor like a gentleman.
Because she pushed him out of bed after sleep-sexing him.
Joyce, why are you in your room?
I refute the assumption that this is a dream. Clearly Joyce was teleported to her home. By science.
And her home is melting. Also thanks to the wonders of science!
Teleported by Creation Science!
I wonder if it’ll be a trick and this is actually Ethan’s dream. That’d be neat.
If it were Ethan’s dream, Joyce would be replaced with Batman.
If it were anyone’s dream anyone would be replaced by batman.
Spoiler alert: they’re both Batman.
Welcome to the cragged shame pits of the lustwolves.
Welp, that’s it. That’s the best possible comment anyone could make for this comic. Show’s over, everybody, come back tomorrow.
I’m *blushing*
We’re not werewolves. We’re lustwolves, a species that is possessed by the spirit of passion and BLOODLUST.
Yeah, this is how these things work. Even if you stop believing in them you stil have to keep up appearances.
This will be revealed to be a suppressed memory of Joyce’s of someone she knew back home, who she’s replaced with Ethan, and it was something traumatic.
Just wait and see!
Yep, my thoughts exactly. As horrible as that is.
Now I’m wondering if Willis ever read the Swamp Thing episode Etrigan (the Demon) guested in. If so, we may be in for a nasty turn.
Look here. It’s two tickets to that thing you like. Look again. Now I’m on a horse [moo] …cow.
Next thing Joyce knows, Ethan suddenly became Freddy Krueger.
Hello Joyce. Look at your man, now back to me. Squint at your man, now look at me in HD.
Submitted for your approval: the case of one Joyce Brown. Put on Earth naive, singleminded and an optimistic Christian. In a moment, she will experience something new, wrought by Ethan Spiegel, a toy enthusiast. And, though, it’s a fact that both of them should have stood in bed, they will tempt all the fates by moving into the cold, gray dawn of the Dream Zone.
despite the fact that they should have stood in bed, they will now lie down in bed. together. repeatedly.
“Whoops, I tripped. Oh no, I tripped again. Whoops…”
Joyce: I was feeling done in, couldn’t win. I’d only ever held hands before…
Ethan: You mean you’d only ever held hands?
Joyce: I felt there’s no use getting, into heavy petting. It only leads to trouble… And seat wetting…
Joyce: Now all I want to know is how to go. I’ve tasted blood and I want more.
Sarah and Dorothy: More, more, more.
I’ll put up no resistance, I want to stay the distance
I’ve got an itch to scratch, I need assistance:
Fapfapfapfapfapfapfap.
Interesting dream.
Wait, in panel 4, Ethan just transformed into Slender.
Joyce’s face in panel 3 is one of the more effective ones in DoA so far.
Queue the Twilight Zone music.
Don’t think that’s gonna be a problem, Joyce. Well, not unless you start telling people yourself.
I’d say it’s a pretty normal dream for someone like Joyce.
The weird part is, it’s actually Dina’s dream.
If it was, I’d expect more dinosaurs.
This week isn’t going to be pretty.
“I have a confession to make Joyce. It is something I have been hiding from you as long as we’ve known each other. My real name is Dr. Strange, Sorceror Supreme, and I just transported you to the sex dimension. I apologize that I did not come out about this to you sooner. I am sorry about that Joyce.”
Like FIRE
HELLFIRE
There’s fire in her skin…
This burning desire is turning her tooooooo sin. Mea culpa.
I can’t help but recall when when Willis said Joyce was autobiographical.
Oh Joyce, as one of my religious friends once said. “It’s not that you want you want to have sex, darn near everybody wants to. It’s the fact that you don’t do it.”
It’s not a dream, Joyce’s house is just a bouncy castle.
…Which is going to make the sex a lot more mid-air-y and entertaining.
*Flashes back to the Dark Shadows movie*
That one was a bit weird for me. Too many vampire blowjobs and inconsistencies in mood.
I’m a sucker for redundant titles though. Dark Shadows, Lethal Weapon…
If it wasn’t a dream…PLOT TWIST MAYBE? o3o
Since Joyce is realizing stuff in this dreams I am calling a “But I won’t ’cause I’m gay” from Ethan. After all, Sarah did make a (cryptic) comment about it when Joyce was around (something about “you’re safe unless you have an Y-chromosome”).
I would like to point out! (and hope someone else catches it)
in the last comic she was in a bunk bed
now she is not
dream is obvious.
Ethan: Sex Genie
Is she saying no one must know about them HAVING sex or that she WANTS to have sex. If the latter, then that’s kind of sad. I mean, to feel immense shame for even being tempted to do something you think is wrong even if you resist that temptation… what a sad way to live. (and I grew up Catholic)
I think it’s the latter. And it’s a sad way to live.
Also, of COURSE it’s a dream.
Nonsense; what makes you think that?
Well, either that or this is Willis’s way of introducing the Cheese to the Dumbiverse.
Abomination!
Gotta be a dream. So out of character.
What was your first clue?
I’m so confused… she was just in a bunk bed in the last panel. Now it’s a twin bed. Or I’m already high and I don’t know it.
Dreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeam