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by David M Willis on July 28, 2013 at 12:01 am
  • 04 - Just Hangin' Out With My Family
└ Tags: carol, hank, jocelyne, joyce, sarah

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  1. thecanvashat
    thecanvashat
    July 28, 2013 at 12:02 am | #

    Joyce’s mom knows the street.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      July 28, 2013 at 12:06 am | #

      She doesn’t mean their neighborhood street. Joyce’s mom means the STREET. She is secretly ’bout dat life.
      People be goin’ up to hur like “Da’s Carol B. The mos’ wil’ honkey dat’s ever come up in the hood”

      • thecanvashat
        thecanvashat
        July 28, 2013 at 12:12 am | #

        Which is why Joshua looks so nervous when his mom mentions it.

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          July 28, 2013 at 12:15 am | #

          Joshua: Mom, we swore we’d never talk about what happened in Detroit…Who could’ve thought the drug deal could’ve ended in all those casualties

          Carol: Man up, Joshua. Mama ain’t raisin’ no pussies.

          • Aizat
            Aizat
            July 28, 2013 at 12:17 am | #

            Just imagined Scarface but with Joyce’s mom in the role of Tony Montana.

            • Yotomoe
              Yotomoe
              July 28, 2013 at 12:19 am | #

              OK, DARLING, I’M RELOADED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              • JBO
                JBO
                July 28, 2013 at 12:20 am | #

                “Say hello to my little friend!”
                *Pulls out bible*

                • thecanvashat
                  thecanvashat
                  July 28, 2013 at 12:22 am | #

                  Makes machine gun noises with her mouth.

                • Kernanator
                  Kernanator
                  July 28, 2013 at 3:08 am | #

                  No, a machine gun that shoots Bibles.

                • Chronos
                  Chronos
                  July 28, 2013 at 6:24 am | #

                  No, a Bible with pages made of bullets.

            • Totz the Plaid
              Totz the Plaid
              July 28, 2013 at 12:19 am | #

              Yotomoe! Make it happen!

              • Yotomoe
                Yotomoe
                July 28, 2013 at 1:22 am | #

                CAROL IS BOUT THAT LIFE

                • saltchocolate
                  saltchocolate
                  July 28, 2013 at 1:27 am | #

                  Laughing against my better judgment!

                • Plasma Mongoose
                  Plasma Mongoose
                  July 28, 2013 at 1:56 am | #

                  She looks like Trailer Trash Barbie.

                • Kernanator
                  Kernanator
                  July 28, 2013 at 3:08 am | #

                  Someone help, I cannot breathe. I am laughing too hard.

                • RobJustRob
                  RobJustRob
                  July 28, 2013 at 5:49 am | #

                  Sarah didn’t choose the thug life, the thug life chose her.

                • RobJustRob
                  RobJustRob
                  July 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm | #

                  Did I say Sarah and not Carol? I meant to say Carol. Curse my drunken state.

          • Totz the Plaid
            Totz the Plaid
            July 28, 2013 at 12:20 am | #

            Living near Detroit, I can tell you that the drug stuff actually happens more in Pontiac. There are still some hellish parts of Detroit, but Pontiac is almost entirely a shithole while Detroit has good patches as well.

    • NerdHerder
      NerdHerder
      July 28, 2013 at 12:06 am | #

      Sesame Street?

    • Historyman68
      Historyman68
      October 6, 2013 at 4:32 am | #

      Danny the Street? From Doom Patrol?

  2. Jen Aside
    Jen Aside
    July 28, 2013 at 12:02 am | #

    “Because she has a black friend, see??”

    • EvergreenFir
      EvergreenFir
      July 28, 2013 at 12:37 am | #

      Sad how many people ACTUALLY think this.

      • Raibean
        Raibean
        July 28, 2013 at 1:20 am | #

        “I can’t be homophobic! Some of my best friends are gay!”
        “I can’t be sexist! My mother is a woman!”
        “America can’t be racist! Its early-on economic power was built on the backs of black men and women!”

      • NightRaven
        NightRaven
        July 30, 2013 at 9:31 am | #

        How is it NOT true though? If you are friends with someone, can you really hate and/or fear an intengral part of them? If you are racist, you wouldn’t WANT a friend of a different race, it would be against your believes, and if you disliked their race then you would be such a bad friend that you couldn’t call it a real friendship. Same thing with sexuality/gender, you don’t repress a friend unless you’re scared (if you live in a time/society where tolerance is “evil”).

        • kiapdx
          kiapdx
          July 30, 2013 at 7:52 pm | #

          Having a “black friend”/”gay friend”/”female mother” does not make you a good person. Notice that last one? I would guess that 99.9% of sexists have a mother who self identifies as female (and were birthed from one) and yet they are still sexist.
          You can have a gay friend but not want to see him holding hands with his boyfriend or be comfortable when your lesbian friend is hanging out with you and sending cute texts to her girlfriend or when your bi friend is checking out cute butts regardless of what sex the owner is. That’s still homophobia, even if you are friends.
          Or someone who is friends with a PoC can still find their hair in its natural state (afro/dreads/etc is what their hair does naturally) to be gross. They can make fun of “urban” people, or jump to conclusions that the guy trying to break back into his own car because he locked the keys inside is actually a thief because of the color of his skin. They can get confused or offended when a PoC calls them out on racist language because “well they called me a cracker” or “my black friend doesn’t mind me saying that word.” They can see nothing wrong with the income disparity between when men and black men, and say that the reason so many more PoCs are in prison is because they are criminals – not because of society and laws targeting them. They can see nothing wrong with an ex-con with a history of racism shooting to death a black teenager who punched him after being stalked and provoked getting off on a self defense charge.

          So yes it is perfectly possible to hate a group of people while being friends with a member of that group. One exception does not mean that you are suddenly perfect.

          • kiapdx
            kiapdx
            July 30, 2013 at 7:53 pm | #

            *white not when. It’s late, can’t type well.

          • NightRaven
            NightRaven
            July 31, 2013 at 5:40 am | #

            Well, first of all… “not racist/sexist/bigoted” ≠ “perfect/good human”
            .. And I still hold that the “friendships” you describe above
            aren’t real friendships. If someone I knew didn’t respect my
            race/religion/gender, he/she/it would certainly not be what
            I would call a friend. That kind of relationship seems more
            like acquaintances. A friend respects and supports a friend, period.
            Yes, everyone has mothers, (and fathers) not everyone grew up with one,
            not everyone respects or love them.
            BTW, what does PoC stand for?
            (My mind jumped to “Pirate of Carribean”, because of the dreads…)

            • NightRaven
              NightRaven
              July 31, 2013 at 5:45 am | #

              And why would you even want to hang out with someone if you think so badly of what they identify with/heritage? It makes no sense to me.

    • kkiten
      kkiten
      April 8, 2016 at 1:39 am | #

      “I am NOT accustomed to diversity!”

  3. Bob
    Bob
    July 28, 2013 at 12:03 am | #

    Is everyone in Joyce’s family an IU graduate, or are they just really enthusiastic about buying probably overpriced shirts?

    • thecanvashat
      thecanvashat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:03 am | #

      Why can’t it be both?

    • David
      David M Willis
      July 28, 2013 at 12:04 am | #

      You can buy those t-shirts at any Walmart in the state for ten bucks.

      • Sarah
        Sarah
        July 28, 2013 at 8:53 pm | #

        Um not in Lafayette you can’t.

        Indy Walmarts don’t really carry college shirts much either.

    • Tenn
      Tenn
      July 28, 2013 at 3:07 am | #

      Her parents are, at least.

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      July 28, 2013 at 3:12 am | #

      We know both her parents are (she says as much when she meets Sarah). It seems highly likely, given that, that Joshua is as well, and most likely one or both of their brothers are either graduates, or currently attending, too.

  4. Aizat
    Aizat
    July 28, 2013 at 12:03 am | #

    Joyce’s last expression. Is it happy, proud, uncomfortable? I’m going to uncomfortable with a hint of happy.

    • ShadowWing Tronix
      ShadowWing Tronix
      July 28, 2013 at 12:04 am | #

      Even Joshua looks like he isn’t sure how to react.

    • thecanvashat
      thecanvashat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

      Her FAAAAACE looks just uncomfortable, really.

    • otusasio451
      otusasio451
      July 28, 2013 at 12:06 am | #

      It appears that there’s also just a pinch of shame, with a sprinkle of new perspective.

      • saltchocolate
        saltchocolate
        July 28, 2013 at 1:28 am | #

        ^ That.

    • Shade
      Shade
      July 28, 2013 at 1:19 am | #

      I’m going for uncomfortable, but she’s forcing a smile so her mother doesn’t realise it.

      • saltchocolate
        saltchocolate
        July 28, 2013 at 1:29 am | #

        ^ And that.

  5. OkamiKing
    OkamiKing
    July 28, 2013 at 12:03 am | #

    Can I just say…

    ALL THE GLORY FOR THIS ARC!

  6. Plasma Mongoose
    Plasma Mongoose
    July 28, 2013 at 12:03 am | #

    Wait until they find out she has an athiest BBF.

    • Ragnal
      Ragnal
      July 28, 2013 at 12:04 am | #

      And a gay Jewish boyfriend.

      • otusasio451
        otusasio451
        July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

        MA-HA-HAN, this story arc is gonna be FULL of awkward, isn’t it?

        • Alex Stritar
          Alex Stritar
          July 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

          Oh yes, and we’ll all be loving every minute of it. XD

        • Plasma Mongoose
          Plasma Mongoose
          July 28, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

          You betcha, Joyce’s face will end up stuck that way for quite some time.

          • JBO
            JBO
            July 28, 2013 at 12:12 am | #

            Now I want to know whether Joyce inherited her “shock face” from her parents.

        • Totz the Plaid
          Totz the Plaid
          July 28, 2013 at 12:24 am | #

          Well, we’ve already had:
          – Walky with his dick sticking out of his pants get caught in a group hug by Mike’s family
          – Danny’s parents heaping emotional abuse on him
          – Joyce’s mom being unintentionally racist
          …and Howard.

          Yep. It’s going to be awkward as hell, and we’ll probably love most of it!

          • Mr. Random
            Mr. Random
            July 28, 2013 at 12:37 am | #

            Just imagine if this family visit happened to you…
            To add more, Grounded awkward end, less funny.
            I wonder if Joe’s parents are going to make an appearance………

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

        And a possibility of having a demon infested hat.

        • Plasma Mongoose
          Plasma Mongoose
          July 28, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

          No, Willis will save that plot-point for another story arc.

          • thecanvashat
            thecanvashat
            July 28, 2013 at 12:11 am | #

            A dinosaur hat has already been seen, though.

  7. Aizat
    Aizat
    July 28, 2013 at 12:04 am | #

    His highness Joshua prefer to grace the game with his presence.

  8. Ragnal
    Ragnal
    July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

    …Mrs. Brown, are you implying that everyone else on your street IS a racist?

    …I’m not sure where to go with this information.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

      Just keep nodding, I guess.

    • thecanvashat
      thecanvashat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

      Nope, if everyone on her street was racist, she wouldn’t have told anybody there.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      July 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

      I imagine everyone on Joyce’s street has never seen a black person in their lives.

      • JBO
        JBO
        July 28, 2013 at 12:08 am | #

        They also never saw an atheist, jew, muslim or catholic. Yeah it’s that kind of street.

      • David
        David M Willis
        July 28, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

        I know the street Joyce grew up on, and it’s definitely possible.

        • MarcinMN
          MarcinMN
          July 28, 2013 at 12:18 am | #

          Sounds like the entire small town that I grew up in. Basically all Caucasian…and I think it still is, but I haven’t lived there in 20 years. My parents can be a little….unenlightened….when it comes to race at times. I’m not saying it’s right, but I can understand it when you spend your whole life in a town that is basically one ethnicity.

          • David
            David M Willis
            July 28, 2013 at 12:24 am | #

            Diversity is when someone moves into the neighborhood who’s of Central European descent instead of Western European descent like everyone else.

            • Scott
              Scott
              July 28, 2013 at 4:48 am | #

              My property value! Damn you Slavic nations…!

              • David
                David M Willis
                July 28, 2013 at 11:37 am | #

                Look we’re not even touching the Eastern European descendants here, that’s just asking for trouble!

            • Andiemus
              Andiemus
              July 28, 2013 at 9:33 am | #

              My grandma’s Romani and lived in Minnesota. Ho-lee shit some of those people.

              • Romanticide
                Romanticide
                July 29, 2013 at 1:39 am | #

                I can only imagine but I am sure nothing I can visualize could ever get close to the actual experience D:

        • Lu86
          Lu86
          July 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm | #

          The smiling, thumbs up avatar really, really makes that comment uncomfortable. Just saying.

        • Reepicheep-chan
          Reepicheep-chan
          July 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm | #

          Haha, this reminds me of when my mom was flipping through her old yearbook and was all, like, “Dang, you know if my friends in highschool were horrible racists I would NEVER KNOW because we like all white. There is literally only one black girl in here. I feel really sorry for her, that must have sucked.”

          Her yearbook was really disturbing like that, my neighborhood growing up was pretty dang white, but not _completely_ white, jeez.

          But yeah, def a thing that really can happen, weird as it is.

      • thecanvashat
        thecanvashat
        July 28, 2013 at 12:14 am | #

        For some reason, I think of Joyce living in Prohibition-era Chicago.

        Which is silly, as Chicago isn’t in Indiana.

        • Plasma Mongoose
          Plasma Mongoose
          July 28, 2013 at 12:18 am | #

          It wasn’t easy trying to be a christain while living in a busy speakeasy.

        • Raibean
          Raibean
          July 28, 2013 at 1:22 am | #

          Chicago and its suburbs are still one of the most segregated areas in the country.

        • The Candyman
          The Candyman
          July 28, 2013 at 11:29 am | #

          Now you’ve got me imagining Joyce as a 1920s gangster.

          And that image is awesome.

      • Dierna
        Dierna
        July 29, 2013 at 2:59 pm | #

        I have an aunt who’s a racist of sorts. Course she grew up in one of those states that hardly had anybody but whites. Then a black family moved in across the street from her. She sounded like Steve Irwin discovering a new animal species. “Did you know black kids played the same games as white kids?!”

        That was then. Now she’s got 2 grandkids that are half Chinese and a step-grandniece that’s half black! My family’s getting more and more diverse and I love it.

    • Nanon
      Nanon
      July 28, 2013 at 12:14 am | #

      No, she’s implying that everyone else on their street’s offspring are racist.

      Just to clarify.

      Either way… she could be right, though she probably didn’t quite mean it that way, because if she were so aware of their racism she wouldn’t be excited about their reaction to her daughter’s friend. Way to be so wrong and probably pretty correct at the same time?

  9. Gram91
    Gram91
    July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

    You were right to run Sarah. The awkwardness can only escalate.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      July 28, 2013 at 12:08 am | #

      It may start out nice, but soon they will ask to touch your hair. And no conversation recovers from that.

      • Plasma Mongoose
        Plasma Mongoose
        July 28, 2013 at 12:13 am | #

        “Oh, it’s soooo springy” *bouncing their hands on her hair*

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          July 28, 2013 at 12:17 am | #

          When people ask to touch my hair I just touch theirs so that it’s either equally awkward or we connect on a level that most never dare to reach.

          • Plasma Mongoose
            Plasma Mongoose
            July 28, 2013 at 12:24 am | #

            I remember back when I was a teen when my hair was almost as springy and practically waterproof, you wouldn’t know it now though.

            • Yotomoe
              Yotomoe
              July 28, 2013 at 12:34 am | #

              Well yeah. Cuz you’re a gravitar :3.

          • David
            David
            July 28, 2013 at 4:16 am | #

            Pubic hair should serve for both.

        • Tenn
          Tenn
          July 28, 2013 at 3:12 am | #

          “I wonder if it can hold my weight?” *climbs on top of Sarah and uses her as a trampoline*

          • Luzahn
            Luzahn
            July 28, 2013 at 9:36 am | #

            This is the weirdest slashfic.

            =P

      • taekwondogirl
        taekwondogirl
        July 28, 2013 at 5:33 pm | #

        Implying that everyone actually has at least the courtesy to ASK. High school I had people walk up and start petting my hair without even acknowledging that they were invading my privacy. 😐

        I’m white (Jewish), so it doesn’t even remotely compare with the space invasion that happens to minorities.

      • Andy
        Andy
        July 28, 2013 at 7:35 pm | #

        I honestly cannot understand why one person would want to touch a stranger’s hair.

  10. JBO
    JBO
    July 28, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

    So this is where Joyce got her ability to accidentaly say the most offensive thing possible.

    • Pat
      Pat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:44 am | #

      Joyce seems to be aware that her mom’s comment is a little off, though. She’s learning!

    • NightmareWarden
      NightmareWarden
      July 28, 2013 at 3:31 pm | #

      The women of that family have foot-in-mouth disorder. Danny and a certain politician we’ve seen in this comic suffer horribly from this disorder as well.

  11. Philippe G.
    Philippe G.
    July 28, 2013 at 12:06 am | #

    That explains so much.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:08 am | #

      And still asks many questions.

    • Plasma Mongoose
      Plasma Mongoose
      July 28, 2013 at 12:14 am | #

      You gotta remember that this family isn’t used to diversity.

      • Mr. Random
        Mr. Random
        July 28, 2013 at 12:41 am | #

        If what I hear of “Christian colleges” is true, and her best friend Becky went to one, I wonder who’ll have changed more.

        • drs
          drs
          July 28, 2013 at 11:23 am | #

          What do you hear?

          • Mr. Random
            Mr. Random
            July 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm | #

            They are chess pits of sex, drugs, and repressed teenagers working through about two decades of strict rules.

            • Baroncognito
              Baroncognito
              July 28, 2013 at 2:33 pm | #

              Chess pits?

              • Bill M.
                Bill M.
                July 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm | #

                Yes. Those pawns, bishops, rooks, and assorted other male pieces, once killed and off the board, engage in a gay necrophilial orgy.

                However, it’s still not as wretched as the Mos Eisley Cantina, but that’s due to how Bea Arthur ran the place.

              • Livinthelife
                Livinthelife
                July 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm | #

                Hey, man. What happens in chess club stays in chess club.

  12. John
    John
    July 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

    Man, Sarah really is good at ducking out of the strip.

    • thecanvashat
      thecanvashat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

      She’s ducking out to get popcorn, of course.

      • JBO
        JBO
        July 28, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

        “I’m back what did I miss? Aww, they already found out she is dating a gay jew, that was the part I was getting teh popcorn for!”

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          July 28, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

          At least I’m in time for them to hear about the athiest.

          • Aizat
            Aizat
            July 28, 2013 at 12:12 am | #

            She may need extra butter for that revelation.

            • JBO
              JBO
              July 28, 2013 at 12:13 am | #

              Sarah is obviously a sugar only popcorn type.

              • Yotomoe
                Yotomoe
                July 28, 2013 at 12:17 am | #

                I can’t imagine Sarah ingesting sugar.

                • Aizat
                  Aizat
                  July 28, 2013 at 12:19 am | #

                  What about butter?

                • thecanvashat
                  thecanvashat
                  July 28, 2013 at 12:21 am | #

                  How do you think she forms her crusty exterior?

                • Aizat
                  Aizat
                  July 28, 2013 at 12:22 am | #

                  Salt?

                • Zach
                  Zach
                  July 28, 2013 at 1:12 am | #

                  Me eather. And butter? Too self indulgent. I like mine with salt, olive oil, basal, and oregano.

              • Plasma Mongoose
                Plasma Mongoose
                July 28, 2013 at 12:25 am | #

                Sugar on popcorn??? I know about butter or oil but sugar??

                • Mr. Random
                  Mr. Random
                  July 28, 2013 at 12:42 am | #

                  Oil?

                • Luzahn
                  Luzahn
                  July 28, 2013 at 9:39 am | #

                  Olive oil is good on popcorn, that’s what I usually have.

                • Gordon Blvd
                  Gordon Blvd
                  July 28, 2013 at 9:55 am | #

                  Cocoanut oil – ONLY!

    • Thor
      Thor
      July 28, 2013 at 12:54 am | #

      She should have kissed Joyce on the cheek, said something about keeping the bed warm, left, and then snuck back to watch the meltdown.

  13. Raen
    Raen
    July 28, 2013 at 12:08 am | #

    And here I was, thinking her parents would be relatively sane.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      July 28, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

      It could be worse.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        July 28, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

        They could be Mike’s parents. No sane people could possibly be THAT happy.

        • Aizat
          Aizat
          July 28, 2013 at 12:11 am | #

          If Mike’s parents are a picture of insanity, I don’t want to be sane.

          • Yotomoe
            Yotomoe
            July 28, 2013 at 12:18 am | #

            The Joker seems really happy and friendly on paper, too.

            • Mr. Random
              Mr. Random
              July 28, 2013 at 12:42 am | #

              I think you forgot to turn the page.

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      July 28, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

      Sane? They made Joyce into Joyce.

      • Jenny Creed
        Jenny Creed
        July 28, 2013 at 4:41 am | #

        One could define sanity as the absence of psychological activity. . .

  14. AHR
    AHR
    July 28, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

    see? Joyce has learned a lot already!

    • NightmareWarden
      NightmareWarden
      July 28, 2013 at 3:33 pm | #

      “A lot” is very relative here…

  15. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    July 28, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

    Even wearing all this Dexter/MM stuff Joyce still doesn’t look as geeky as the rest of her family.

    • JBO
      JBO
      July 28, 2013 at 12:11 am | #

      Religious people are nerds after all.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNtnN_DiP3o

  16. Kernanator
    Kernanator
    July 28, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

    Interesting moment here in that last panel, with Joyce’s reaction to her mother.

  17. Justnobody
    Justnobody
    July 28, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

    ..huh

  18. Z3tto
    Z3tto
    July 28, 2013 at 12:11 am | #

    That’s pretty much exactly how I imagined Joyce’s parents to be.

    • Totz the Plaid
      Totz the Plaid
      July 28, 2013 at 12:28 am | #

      I already saw the versions that show up in “It’s Walky”, so I wasn’t sure where Willis was going to go with the Browns once they got a real appearance (not counting their cameos at the start of the comic).

  19. VZG
    VZG
    July 28, 2013 at 12:33 am | #

    “You see, by ‘never’, what I meant was, uh… until now.”

    • Mr. Random
      Mr. Random
      July 28, 2013 at 12:44 am | #

      Your words bring shame upon this family. SHAME! Upon aaaaall this family!

  20. Uniqueantique
    Uniqueantique
    July 28, 2013 at 12:49 am | #

    In comparison to her family, Joyce really has come a long way: she actually looks embarrassed in last panel (still loves her, but “OMG Mom”.)
    Sarah is no dummy, she knows when to go out for popcorn or homework.
    As for hair, I’m an ‘Irish-American’ redhead. [If blacks can be African-Americans, I can be Irish-American I guess. And maybe that’s part of the problem. I can remember back when we were all just – Americans.]
    Anyway, we redheads have the coarsest hair of the 4 main types, while black hair is the finest. In grade school a black girlfriend and I compared hair. Her hair was as soft as a bunny rabbits. Never forgot that. However, couldn’t find any difference in how our skin felt, felt like skin to both of us.
    Grew up in an unusal town in NY, I know that now. Not many Jewish families in town, but every year we had an elementary school pagent with both the manger scene play, and a presentation about Hannaka (sorry I can’t spell, going for phonetic).

    • Raibean
      Raibean
      July 28, 2013 at 1:27 am | #

      lol if you think Mexican-Americans were ever just “American”
      Before Mexican-American, we were just “Mexican”

      (Also if white people get to be European-Americans. None of this “Caucasian” BS. I mean, the Caucasus region isn’t even in Europe! Some white supremacist archaeologist just found a pretty skull and started using the term to describe Europeans because it supported a master-race theory that was so prevalent.)

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      July 28, 2013 at 1:28 am | #

      No offence, but we were never all Americans. Some of us were property. And then second class citizens. The only reason the term African American is enough is we’ve come up enough in the world to be vocal, but not enough to be equal.
      Sorry to be like this but yeah.

    • saltchocolate
      saltchocolate
      July 28, 2013 at 1:37 am | #

      I remember when the Irish were the “Black Irish” and, in the South, went to the “colored schools.” Book for you: How the Irish Became White, by David Roediger.

    • David
      David M Willis
      July 28, 2013 at 2:32 am | #

      Yeah, “back when everyone was just -American,” that only held true for politically and culturally visible Americans. Being considered “African-American” was actually a step up because you were at least being acknowledged as participants by society at large, even if some hedgey hyphenization was required. It was another baby-step into integration.

      See also: “they were simpler times.”

      • Bluebird
        Bluebird
        July 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm | #

        I’d never considered before how radical my own belief seems to be:

        For me, an American (capital A, no hyphen) is someone who has either:

        A) Been born in this country. (or territories)
        B) Gone through the process of obtaining citizenship. (Which is not a trivial accomplishment)

        Race, or perceived Race or ethnic background has nothing to do with it.

        • David
          David M Willis
          July 28, 2013 at 6:14 pm | #

          You do realize we were talking about Pre-Civil Rights era, right? It’s not particularly brave or radical to say those things you say NOW, and so self-back-patting isn’t especially required.

          But even today, while everyone would outwardly agree wholeheartedly that all Americans are American, it’s what occurs on a subconscious level that is the problem.

          • Bluebird
            Bluebird
            July 28, 2013 at 10:04 pm | #

            I don’t mean to start an argument here, but the serious note of the comments (on what is typically a light-hearted comic) underline the fact that Racism (and by extension, many other forms of discrimination) is still very much alive and well in the US, and not just on a subconscious level. I grew up in a place where much of the population was (and still is) very much like Joyce and family. These attitudes extend to elected officials on the national level too, so it isn’t just a local, or regional issue.

            In that context, my previous comment seems quite radical indeed. Though I do not consider myself a radical in any sense of the word.

    • Skemono
      Skemono
      July 28, 2013 at 3:06 am | #

      I can remember back when we were all just – Americans.

      Really? You predate World War I?

      • james
        james
        July 28, 2013 at 5:27 am | #

        I remember when we called ourselves colonialists.

        Then those Adams cousins started making a ruckus.

    • Luzahn
      Luzahn
      July 28, 2013 at 10:07 am | #

      Are we sure Uniqueantique’s not just talking about “-Americans,” as in when “white people” were more seen as different ethnic group -Americans than a single group?

      • Luzahn
        Luzahn
        July 28, 2013 at 10:12 am | #

        Whoops, I see others have also made that point. Never mind then.

        • The Candyman
          The Candyman
          July 28, 2013 at 11:36 am | #

          I remember when we were all just British. Then those damnable rebels had the gall to break away from the motherland…

          • Luzahn
            Luzahn
            July 28, 2013 at 11:56 am | #

            Hey, you guys cut into our profit margins, what did you expect?

            =P

    • Hotsauce
      Hotsauce
      July 31, 2013 at 9:44 am | #

      Really? Because I don’t, and I’ve been around for over 40 years. I suspect that what you’re actually remembering is the time before your world expanded enough to discover that racial tension exists. Perhaps it needs to expand enough to realize that not everybody’s life is like yours.

  21. Somebody
    Somebody
    July 28, 2013 at 1:13 am | #

    NOOOOOOO!

  22. Em
    Em
    July 28, 2013 at 1:32 am | #

    “Oh good, you’re not a racist like everyone thought you were. Maybe they’ll assume that we aren’t as well! Everyone wins! Right Sarah? …Sarah? Joyce, where’d that African-American friend of yours go?”

    You know I bet she’d call any black person African-American. I’ve seen that happen before with people. “Um actually I’m not American.” The best was a white friend of mine from Africa who had recently gotten citizenship here. People would get so confused and flustered when he’d tell them he was African-American.

    • Skemono
      Skemono
      July 28, 2013 at 3:07 am | #

      Yeah, I went to school with some white / Jewish kids who’d grew up in South Africa, and used to joke about being “African American”.

    • Megatron
      Megatron
      July 28, 2013 at 12:47 pm | #

      When I was in San Diego, I noticed that recent emigrants from Sudan generally identified themselves as sudanese. I assumed that most emigrants from Africa would identify themselves as being from whatever country they came from.

      After all, I figured that part of the reason we call black people African-American because we don’t know where in Africa their ancestors came from. It’s not like slave traders and slave owners were particularly interested in preserving the culture of their slave’s native land.

      I mean, I would suspect that an Egyptian who immigrates to the U.S. wouldn’t want to identify as African American, they’d want to identify as Egyptian-American. But maybe I’m wrong.

    • fit-to-freak
      fit-to-freak
      July 28, 2013 at 7:40 pm | #

      yeahhh…white people should not be doing that. It’s smug and kind of belittling.

    • Jason
      Jason
      July 28, 2013 at 9:36 pm | #

      S’funny… I once saw someone online throw a complete fit because a black Brit was just called “black”. Apparently we should have been calling him African-American, despite the fact that, you know… He was British.
      Not African, not American… Just a Brit who happened to be black.

      It’s interesting to note such differences. The insistence in calling black Americans “African-Americans” has always seemed a little distasteful to me. I mean, if they feel a tie to another country and want to identify as being of both that country, and of America, that should be their choice, rather than being forced on all members of a particular race to identify them as being “different”.
      But I’m tangenting, and other people have already commented on it. I just wanted to say that, yes, there are people who call all black people “African-American”, even when that label is in no way accurate.

      • Li
        Li
        July 29, 2013 at 7:37 am | #

        Which I think is mostly due to Americentricism. If it’s not done like it is in America, it should be! Whether or not they have our history with racism and slavery!

  23. Heather
    Heather
    July 28, 2013 at 3:21 am | #

    Aww Joyce, muffin, a part of growing up is realising your parents are far from perfect or that they can hold wrong opinions/problematic viewpoints. It’s an awkward realisation, especially when you probably still love them (and it can hurt on some level too), but it’s one almost everyone has to go through or they’ll remain emotionally and socially stunted. It just shows you’re beginning to grow up honey.

    (Yikes Joyce’s mum but yeah something which is definitely realistic and I could see an Aunt of mine pulling, god damn- so good one Willis).

  24. Notebooked
    Notebooked
    July 28, 2013 at 7:01 am | #

    Joyce is being playfully sarcastic with her brother? I didn’t even know she had that gene.
    Joyce is being more open than her mother? Not entirely unexpected, but still good to see the effects of the outer world working. I don’t expect this to be a much bigger thing than this — certainly I don’t expect any big argument or cutting the parents out of her life — but even as a little thing it puts some difference between them.

    • Luzahn
      Luzahn
      July 28, 2013 at 12:57 pm | #

      I’m just interested in seeing how her brother acts.

      Presumably he’s gone through the same process Joyce has, and I’d suspect he would either turn out as the end result to Joyce’s current process of becoming open-minded, or an even worse zealot than his parents.

  25. Andiemus
    Andiemus
    July 28, 2013 at 9:30 am | #

    For the first time in my life, getting into an argument on the Internet just isn’t worth the headache. Is this growing up?

    • Demon-Something
      Demon-Something
      July 28, 2013 at 10:47 am | #

      Yes. Yes it is.

  26. The Candyman
    The Candyman
    July 28, 2013 at 11:53 am | #

    I’m just going to assume that Joyce’s parents have never seen a black person in their lives.

  27. Jody
    Jody
    July 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm | #

    Ugh, I’ve been that friend before.

  28. sandbridgekid
    sandbridgekid
    July 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm | #

    My Grandmother was a Meleungon from West Virginia, considered White in WV, or damn near. But often “mistaken” as colored in the 50-70’s in Virginia. Had to carry her birth certificate around with her. Was refused admittance to Mary Washington as an adult, despite it. So took classes at GWU. I’ve been thought of as least Native American, because I tan under florescent lights, turn bronze in full sun.

    • Milosh
      Milosh
      July 28, 2013 at 3:58 pm | #

      I go to Mary Washington now, and most of my friends there are non-white. Funny how that worked out…

  29. sandbridgekid
    sandbridgekid
    July 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm | #

    My Dad wondered about my mother, until he saw her b. certificate. It All didnt end with the 70’s. My first grade in 1969, was the first year schools in VA Beach were desegregated after Massive Resistance. Being a kid I didnt know how revolutionary all this was. And Fuck It All, it seems to be returning to that era of ‘polite’ racism.

  30. Captain67
    Captain67
    July 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm | #

    So now we know her blue laser beam eyes come from her dad

    • David
      David M Willis
      July 28, 2013 at 6:18 pm | #

      Technically we’ve known that since Strip 2.

      • xKiv
        xKiv
        July 28, 2013 at 10:08 pm | #

        Or 4, since that’s where we can first confirm that they don’t come from her mom?

  31. Darnel
    Darnel
    July 28, 2013 at 7:51 pm | #

    Man,… it sucks to be Sarah at this time,….
    And yes it’s sometimes awkward moving toward insulting how “innocent” some people are
    “Ooooh Can I touch it?”
    “Do you belong to a gang? Why do you do that?”
    “You’ve NEVER gotten trouble with the police? REALLY??”

    Sigh,.. sorry,.. just down today,.. nice strip Mr. W.

  32. Kerin
    Kerin
    July 28, 2013 at 11:31 pm | #

    Gosh, I sure hope Ethan doesn’t meet Joyce’s brother. Could get, uh, out of, um, hand.

  33. Ryune
    Ryune
    July 29, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

    Just putting this out here : Joyce’s brother is hot.

  34. Uniqueantique
    Uniqueantique
    July 29, 2013 at 1:33 am | #

    I disagree that hyphenating names is a step up in society. Voting is, fighting for what you think is right is. Dying for what you think is right is.
    Simpler times my ass.
    I was afraid of the polio epidemic in grade school. A friend ended up in an iron lung-go google that one.
    I was afraid of the damn Air Raid sirens.
    I was afraid of the BOMB, especially seeing as how we thought about it all the time as we practiced Air Raid drills in school each week, where we all crawled under our desks and practiced kissing our asses goodbye.
    My family passed down stories of the Potato Famine to me, so don’t patronize me with Black Irish stories: been there, done that.
    It did not make me recognize black people as a political part of society by sticking a hyphen in the middle of their name. Rosa Parks made me aware of that. Riding a Freedom Bus made me realize that.
    I teach now, and I come here to listen to the kids I teach. And I guess that I was as sure of the world and thought that I had all the answers when I was a kid too. The answers are not Black and White and never will be. We just do the best we can.
    I have enjoyed the strips a lot, and the debates.

    • Li
      Li
      July 29, 2013 at 7:48 am | #

      Having difficulty really understanding how your hearing stories equates with having experienced racism first-hand? And definitely not seeing where you get the right to tell non-white people what terms to prefer for themselves or how to feel about hyphenation.

      I also think that needing Rosa Parks to “recognize black people as a political part of society” is something you should be admitting with quiet shame, not brandishing as a flag that proves “African-American” is a worthless term.

      (As in, “I can’t believe it wasn’t until that woman refused to move to the back of the bus that…”)

  35. Romanticide
    Romanticide
    July 29, 2013 at 1:46 am | #

    Sarah’s not-aracnic sense just starting tingling it seems?

  36. Dahlia
    Dahlia
    July 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm | #

    Gosh, I hope if Ethan bumps into them he doesn’t develop a crush on Josh! D:

  37. Noel Schornhorst
    Noel Schornhorst
    August 20, 2013 at 9:33 am | #

    Is it bad that I think Joshua’s hot?

    • Anna1090
      Anna1090
      August 22, 2013 at 9:31 pm | #

      Nah, I agree.

  38. SgtNumnum
    SgtNumnum
    October 14, 2013 at 9:26 am | #

    The happiness lasted about five seconds

  39. Heroic Failure
    Heroic Failure
    October 20, 2013 at 10:31 pm | #

    I see you what you did there with that alt text.

  40. Arcelos
    Arcelos
    October 29, 2014 at 3:58 am | #

    So… the hover text… does “visual cues” include Joyce saying she’s the youngest in the family?

  41. Aisling
    Aisling
    June 8, 2015 at 3:20 pm | #

    LMAO its like newbie Joyce all over again!

  42. Nightsbridge
    Nightsbridge
    July 8, 2015 at 5:29 am | #

    Looking back over this much later . . . ‘Older siblings,’ Willis said.

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Aubrey Gilleran @aubreygilleran.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
It's not a new argument, of course, but Chesterton dismissed it effectively in 1908. "You will hear everlastingly... this argument that the rich man cannot be bribed. The fact is, of course, that the rich man is bribed; he has been bribed already. That is why he is a rich man."
atrupar.com's user avatarAaron Rupar @atrupar.com ⋅ 1d
Hawley dismisses Trump lining his pockets with his memecoin: "Listen, I think nobody believes that Donald Trump can be bought. I mean, what does Donald Trump need more money for?"
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Cat Manning @catacalypto.bsky.social ⋅ 10d
1984 calendar meme reading 1529, the year of the first Ottoman siege of Vienna
spavel.bsky.social's user avatarPavel🐀 @spavel.bsky.social ⋅ 10d
Who can forget the Swiss-Austrian Union, or its famous capital - Istanbul.
AI generated ad by a company called Travello showing the 10 most visited cities in Europe, except the cities are hilariously poorly placed. London is in Wales, Paris is in Ireland, Rome is in France, Rom (yes like Rome but without an E) is in Spain, Barcelona is in Morocco, Prague is in Germany, Vienna is in Italy, Istanbul is in Austria, Milan is in Libya, and Antalya is correctly shown as in Turkey but is in the wrong place. Also a few of the borders like Switzerland and Austria or Hungary and Slovenia are missing.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
*at the very end of Andor, cassian travels through a vortex that makes everyone look a decade younger*
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
(May 14, 2026)
a bemused lucy watches as somebody collapses on her dorm room floor
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
wilbur, savvy enough to know he's in a comic strip but still not a great actor, awkwardly lifts a muffin up into frame so that we, the audience, understand that he has a muffin right now, which is very important narratively, but he's not really selling it well as an organic, human action
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Dumbing of Age: "Up" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic #dofa
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
i mean i... guess there are people who want toy-accurate hyper-articulated original-toy-look guys but in cartoon colors for some reason
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Fuck you, Clayface!!!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
www.ebay.com/itm/23609982... selling my LG34 Mindwipe, minus Servant
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Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Transformers Generations TakaraTomy Legends LG34 Wipe (Mindwipe), incomplete at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many pro...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Menace Level: up to date on his vaccinations
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Today in #9ChickweedLane I learned Gran is back from the grave so she can jerk it to furry porn with her daughter
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
www.ebay.com/itm/23609184... 5 hours left on my 4-jet titans return tidal wave
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Check out those stickers. They make him look pretty great, actually. That aircraft carrier mode shines. Tidal Wave is loose and incomplete! So there's only four (4) jets!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
confirming that the reason there's been no Galaxy Version female characters in Blokees until now is that they felt they needed to make Round Lady Thighs For Ladies
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Dumbing of Age: "For you" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
y'know there's not an awful lot of rocketeering in The Rocketeer
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wint @dril.bsky.social ⋅ 4d
buddy you came to the wrong ass to fuck
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Man if they were arresting judges then this'd be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard but thankfully that's not happening.
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