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by David M Willis on June 22, 2014 at 12:01 am
  • 03 - Up All Night to Get Vengeance
└ Tags: jennifer, joyce

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  1. Geminia999
    Geminia999
    June 22, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    Joyce, God watches from above, not the hallway, stop trying to be sneaky

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 22, 2014 at 12:31 am | #

      Jesus is just outside the door watching her and taking notes like a driving instructor.
      “terrible…just terrible”

      • Jen Aside
        Jen Aside
        June 22, 2014 at 2:42 am | #

        Jesus is in another dorm, what are you talking about

        [srsly, that’d be funny]

        • lejwocky
          lejwocky
          June 22, 2014 at 3:10 am | #

          Saint Young Men: the college years

          • James Rye
            James Rye
            June 22, 2014 at 6:14 am | #

            Please make that happen!

          • Athos
            Athos
            June 22, 2014 at 3:31 pm | #

            Buda ftw!

        • Camachri
          Camachri
          June 22, 2014 at 7:14 am | #

          New headcanon: Jeshua Josephson is a junior with an advice column in the IDS

        • brionl
          brionl
          June 22, 2014 at 12:01 pm | #

          Thank you Joyce, but your Messiah is in another dorm.

      • Usayasha
        Usayasha
        June 22, 2014 at 4:39 am | #

        “Here, ust let me take the wheel.”

      • Historyman68
        Historyman68
        June 22, 2014 at 8:42 am | #

        I’m sorry, your Jesus is in another castle.

    • Shadow12000
      Shadow12000
      June 22, 2014 at 9:05 am | #

      God is ceiling cat?!

      • Gadgeteer Smashwidget
        Gadgeteer Smashwidget
        June 22, 2014 at 4:23 pm | #

        That’s pretty much what the bible says.

  2. Mr. Random
    Mr. Random
    June 22, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    Billie. Nothing about dating, apparently. But she seems to know quite a lot about doing the dance of many mambos.

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      June 22, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

      Every mambo but no. 5

      • Johnny Slick
        Johnny Slick
        June 22, 2014 at 12:13 am | #

        Actually she is a huge Lou Bega fan.

        • Foxhack
          Foxhack
          June 22, 2014 at 12:29 am | #

          You mean Perez Prado.

          • JetstreamGW
            JetstreamGW
            June 22, 2014 at 4:51 pm | #

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOuRWkLP-dA

            Looked it up. Liked it. Posting it here ‘cuz it’s a much better song than the one Lou Bega released.

        • Cheryl
          Cheryl
          June 22, 2014 at 12:55 am | #

          Mother of god why do you all know that!

          • Opus the Poet
            Opus the Poet
            June 22, 2014 at 11:38 am | #

            Some of us are really old. Personally I would have made a Rudy Valentino joke…

      • Maveric1984
        Maveric1984
        June 22, 2014 at 12:25 am | #

        Dammit, now I have that song stuck in my head right before I was about to go to bed…

        • Aizat
          Aizat
          June 22, 2014 at 12:33 am | #

          Hey at least you don’t get two version stuck in your head…yeah, somehow I got the Bob the Builder version stuck to my head too.

        • JessWitt
          JessWitt
          June 22, 2014 at 2:45 am | #

          My condolences. And may you have pleasant dreams of Lou Bega serenading the DoA relationships to that very tune.

        • Charlie Spencer
          Charlie Spencer
          June 22, 2014 at 6:19 am | #

          Better the song than the singer.

      • Jay Eff
        Jay Eff
        June 22, 2014 at 12:46 am | #

        I wonder if Joyce will ask Billie about Mambo No. 6?

        Personally, I’m surprised ol’ Jenny knows there even was a sixth one, myself…

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

      But can she do the bedroom tango?

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        June 22, 2014 at 12:32 am | #

        That’s all well and good, but can she do the Horizantal Monster Mash?

        • Aizat
          Aizat
          June 22, 2014 at 12:33 am | #

          Or the bedroom pretzel?

        • Opus the Poet
          Opus the Poet
          June 22, 2014 at 11:41 am | #

          Horizontal Bop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3TzSNk9kPU

          • Kennerly
            Kennerly
            June 22, 2014 at 12:01 pm | #

            Tube Snake Boogie

            • phroggonalog
              phroggonalog
              June 22, 2014 at 10:18 pm | #

              http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcs9yaRdWU1rit1fvo2_500.gif

    • Jen Aside
      Jen Aside
      June 22, 2014 at 12:07 am | #

      “C’mere, Joyce, I’ll show you how”

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 22, 2014 at 12:57 am | #

      aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
      Mambo, Tango, Marangue, Rumba
      Mambo, Tango, Marangue, Rumba

      It’s easy like playing Roshambo! You’re in time for doing the Mambo!

      Check your pulse and suck on a mango! You’ll need juice for doing the Tango!

      It’s not gonna kill you like Dengue! You just wanna do the Merengue!

      There’s no need for taking a number! You don’t need permission to RUMBA!!!

      A Rhythm is a virus with no akin’
      Once you got it, You’ll be shakin’!
      It’s one Germ that you’ll be Thankful for!

      AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRhaha

      A Rhythm is a virus you can make it!
      Once you’ve got it You can’t shake it!
      It’s one Germ that you’ll be thankful FOOOOOOOOR

      A Rhythm is a VIIRUUUUUUUUS
      hachachachacha!

      • JessWitt
        JessWitt
        June 22, 2014 at 2:41 am | #

        And then Yotomoe collapses to sleep, presumably?

  3. Regalli
    Regalli
    June 22, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    Oh, Joyce.

    The end is nigh, right? The end is DEFINITELY nigh?

    Dear god, please let the end be nigh.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:04 am | #

      Darn it, Rorschach. Go picket somewhere else.

      • Doctor_Who
        Doctor_Who
        June 22, 2014 at 12:10 am | #

        Indecisive Rorschach should be a thing. He could walk around carrying a sign saying “The End is Nigh?”

        “The city if afraid of me, I think. I have seen what may be its true face, or a fake one, I’m not sure yet. The streets are something, a trough or a gutter, I dunno, and you know what this metaphor isn’t going well, I should start over.”

        “…And all the whores and and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”and I’ll whisper…Maybe.”

        • Aizat
          Aizat
          June 22, 2014 at 12:14 am | #

          “I’m not locked in here with you…I guess.”

          • -Sentinel-
            -Sentinel-
            June 22, 2014 at 12:21 am | #

            “No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise… unless you really, really insist.”

          • 3oranges
            3oranges
            June 22, 2014 at 2:08 pm | #

            “We’re locked in here together, if we want to be accurate.”

          • Lanval
            Lanval
            June 22, 2014 at 5:23 pm | #

            “Do it, I guess!”

        • Clif
          Clif
          June 22, 2014 at 4:04 am | #

          “…And all the whores and and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”and I’ll look down and whisper…Hodor.”

          Fixed that for you.

        • Regalli
          Regalli
          June 22, 2014 at 12:37 pm | #

          Indecisive Rorschach is now my new favorite thing, thank you.

          • Anarchy 101
            Anarchy 101
            June 22, 2014 at 11:29 pm | #

            Same here

  4. Khaner
    Khaner
    June 22, 2014 at 12:02 am | #

    You take their dick.
    And you shove it in your mouth.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 22, 2014 at 12:14 am | #

      “Do you chew 40 times before swallowing? How long does it take to grow back?”

      • Heavensrun
        Heavensrun
        June 22, 2014 at 12:35 am | #

        aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

        • ShaggyDonahugh
          ShaggyDonahugh
          June 22, 2014 at 1:12 am | #

          AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAa
          *breathes*
          AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

      • Estron
        Estron
        June 22, 2014 at 1:35 am | #

        Opposite reaction. Literally LOL.

        • kelticat
          kelticat
          June 22, 2014 at 1:51 am | #

          Heh. Me too.

      • Cedric Y. Berman
        Cedric Y. Berman
        June 22, 2014 at 3:26 am | #

        First a hand, now this? Oh Ten, your vanity knows no bounds!

      • Shackeltron
        Shackeltron
        June 22, 2014 at 4:50 am | #

        SWEET ROBOT JESUS…..NOOOOOOOO

      • kelticat
        kelticat
        June 22, 2014 at 10:03 pm | #

        B: “Wait, let me call up this website. It can show you things.”
        J: “Oh Joy Sex…Toy; How…To…Suck…Cock…aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADEEPBREATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA…………………………………..

      • gwalla
        gwalla
        June 23, 2014 at 5:03 pm | #

        “How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?”
        “Let’s see…one…ta-WHOO…three *chomp*. Three!”

    • Shade
      Shade
      June 22, 2014 at 2:55 am | #

      “Thing is… he might be a little gay though.”
      “Have you considered…”
      “Don’t say strap-on.”

    • Atlantic Salmon
      Atlantic Salmon
      June 22, 2014 at 9:02 am | #

      Dat mouth.

  5. Idon'tcarenomore
    Idon'tcarenomore
    June 22, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

    So mine didn’t post, after posting. weird.

    As I said…I don’t believe this.

  6. Aizat
    Aizat
    June 22, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

    Billie? Joyce, I know you don’t know much relationships and all but Billie is the absolute last person I would ask for help on this.

    • Heavensrun
      Heavensrun
      June 22, 2014 at 12:36 am | #

      That’s because you know many things about Billie that Joyce does not. However, Joyce is not wrong that Billie probably seriously knows how to really go to town on someone.

      • Anarchy 101
        Anarchy 101
        June 22, 2014 at 11:31 pm | #

        Billie: The first step is to drink this Joyce
        Billie then hands Joyce a bottle of vodka

  7. Tacdud2
    Tacdud2
    June 22, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

    Is this a good idea? Well if it ends in a spit swapping make out match then I am all for it.

  8. timemonkey
    timemonkey
    June 22, 2014 at 12:03 am | #

    This is the beginning, Joyce has snapped.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

      Nah, when someone snapped, they started seeing red and leave a trail of blood and a pile of dead bodies in their wake.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 22, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

      Anti Joyce Rises.

      • timemonkey
        timemonkey
        June 22, 2014 at 12:30 am | #

        Hopefully this time nobody gets shot in the head.

        • 4th Dimension
          4th Dimension
          June 22, 2014 at 6:34 am | #

          Hopefully this time somebody gets cumshot in the head?

  9. Doc Harleen
    Doc Harleen
    June 22, 2014 at 12:04 am | #

    Poor Billie.

    Also, when did Joyce learn the phrase “go to town”? I wanted to look through the archives but I’m technically supposed to be studying.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:06 am | #

      Wait, I though go to town meant beating the living snot out of someone?

      • Kelly
        Kelly
        June 22, 2014 at 12:15 am | #

        “Go to town” could mean all kinds of very different things. It is totally dependent on context.

      • timemonkey
        timemonkey
        June 22, 2014 at 12:31 am | #

        It mostly just means going all out in the given situation.

      • Kennerly
        Kennerly
        June 22, 2014 at 12:07 pm | #

        Well, beating it out is one way, and it has the consistancy of snot, but it shouldn’t be green.

      • A5PECT
        A5PECT
        June 22, 2014 at 8:53 pm | #

        Well then Joyce wouldn’t have any need to ask Billie for help.

        He already has plenty of practice “going to town” from dating Joe.

    • TheOthin
      TheOthin
      June 22, 2014 at 12:06 am | #

      Internet maybe? She learned the term “shipping” there.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 22, 2014 at 12:12 am | #

      Maybe she thinks it means something else. Billie will launch into a graphic sex talk, and Joyce will stand there horrified and say “No no, I meant like holding hands without your parents present and watching PG-13 rated movies!”

  10. xain
    xain
    June 22, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

    so betting pool how much longer before she blows like a billion dicks

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      June 22, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

      We could ask the same question of Ethan.

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        June 22, 2014 at 12:16 am | #

        I’m betting it’s 37.

        • ST
          ST
          June 22, 2014 at 1:09 am | #

          Is that time or dicks?

          • ShaggyDonahugh
            ShaggyDonahugh
            June 22, 2014 at 1:12 am | #

            Why not both?

            • Jen Aside
              Jen Aside
              June 22, 2014 at 2:46 am | #

              In a row?

              • Anarchy 101
                Anarchy 101
                June 22, 2014 at 11:34 pm | #

                All on the same person? Cause that’d be interesting

    • Blackbird
      Blackbird
      June 22, 2014 at 12:16 am | #

      She’s still six weeks away. Err, six weeks strip time, not real time.

      The Slipshine of it will be epic, and I’ll be able to tell my great-grandkids about how I was around for the first DoA Slipshine, back when the comic was still in 2D and Willis’ grandfather wrote it.

      • Viktoria
        Viktoria
        June 22, 2014 at 12:21 am | #

        Nah, Willis will still be the one writing those strips. Sure, he’ll technically be dead at that point(Michael Bay has hitmen. Who knew?), but he’ll get his buffer into early 2106 before he goes.

        • Aizat
          Aizat
          June 22, 2014 at 12:23 am | #

          Why would Michael Bay needed a hitman anyway? And if he has one, shouldn’t some of the Earth’s population (me included) be dead by now?

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        June 22, 2014 at 12:45 am | #

        I will say that never before has a slipshine managed to have a character blow a billion dicks and it not get boring even a little.

      • Estron
        Estron
        June 22, 2014 at 2:51 pm | #

        I love the idea of DoA being handed down from generation to generation. Which generation, do you think, will have the honor of actually depicting the characters’ graduation?

        • DSL
          DSL
          June 22, 2014 at 5:54 pm | #

          Ssssh. People complain about that happening in the newspaper comic pages.

        • Roborat
          Roborat
          June 24, 2014 at 2:37 pm | #

          Generation? We will have evolved into a new species by then.

  11. rhelmot
    rhelmot
    June 22, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

    NOW

    *gesures*

    KISS

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      June 22, 2014 at 12:09 am | #

      http://www.coolestfamilyever.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/now-kiss.png

  12. Idon'tcarenomore
    Idon'tcarenomore
    June 22, 2014 at 12:05 am | #

    Gotta love Joyces response.
    I just saw that response “to my only non Walky friend cause she doesn’t know any better…to wit Joyce says..’I don’t, actually.

    Rofl

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:07 am | #

      Wait, Walky is Billie’s only friend? Huh, I would’ve thought that Billie would be a tad more popular.

      • Jon P
        Jon P
        June 22, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

        The problem is that when you so frequently talk about how much more popular you SHOULD be, it tends to not actually happen.

      • Maveric1984
        Maveric1984
        June 22, 2014 at 12:12 am | #

        She really hasn’t put any effort into anyone except Ruth, and Ruth hates her. When they went to the beach it was because of Joyce. She doesn’t really know Dorothy beyond that she’s Joyce’s friend, she has this “rivalry” thing going on with her roommate, and while she was kinda popular as a backup RA when Ruth was drinking heavily, she never really was on the level with the other girls, instead thinking of herself as superior. The only real reason Walky is her friend is because they grew up together.

      • Kelly
        Kelly
        June 22, 2014 at 12:12 am | #

        That is kind of one of the points of Billie. She *was* popular, in high school. It has taken her a while to see that that doesn’t always translate. And she had one other friend – Ruth. But she screwed that up.

      • dailybrad
        dailybrad
        June 22, 2014 at 12:13 am | #

        Billie hasn’t managed to ingratiate herself to anyone yet. Dorothy would possibly be a friend to her if she was around her much, but she doesn’t really have any bond with anyone besides Joyce and Walky, since Sal has been gone so long and Sarah and she blew it with Ruth. She’s in a very awkward stage in life right now.

      • timemonkey
        timemonkey
        June 22, 2014 at 12:17 am | #

        Billie had friends in high school, but her popularity, and it seems her friends, didn’t follow her to college. The only people here who really like her are Walky and joyce. Dorothy and Dina are mostly neutral to her and Sarah openly hates her.

        • dailybrad
          dailybrad
          June 22, 2014 at 1:12 am | #

          Hate is a bit of a strong word, but she does find her quite annoying, since they have very different work ethics, or just ethics in general.

          • kelticat
            kelticat
            June 22, 2014 at 1:28 am | #

            So you are saying that Sarah despises Billie. Because hating her would take too much of Sarah’s Jacob gazing time.

    • dailybrad
      dailybrad
      June 22, 2014 at 12:10 am | #

      Joyce has at least some self awareness about her shortcomings by now, but naturally, still has much to learn.

  13. Los
    Los
    June 22, 2014 at 12:06 am | #

    It’s wonderful that Joyce exists in comic land. In real life she’d be a little unbearable. Here, she’s adorable.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 22, 2014 at 12:46 am | #

      I can’t even bare it in comic land D:!

      • Rheinman
        Rheinman
        June 22, 2014 at 11:21 am | #

        Rule 34, if you acn’t do it, someone else will

  14. Tandel
    Tandel
    June 22, 2014 at 12:07 am | #

    *Pulls up a chair and popcorn*

    Ladies and gentleman, this may be the start of the best thing ever.

    • -Sentinel-
      -Sentinel-
      June 22, 2014 at 12:54 am | #

      You think it’ll outdo the vibrator thing?

  15. alicemacher
    alicemacher
    June 22, 2014 at 12:07 am | #

    Joyce has just unknowingly engaged in Cockney rhyming slang.

    (huh huh i said “Cockney” huh huh)

    • saltchocolate
      saltchocolate
      June 22, 2014 at 1:37 am | #

      Wow — you’re right! I hadn’t caught that. Nice!

  16. Just Me
    Just Me
    June 22, 2014 at 12:11 am | #

    How much does Billie know about Joyce? About who Joyce is calling her Boyfriend? If not much, then Joyce is bound to get some wrong advice.

    • dailybrad
      dailybrad
      June 22, 2014 at 12:14 am | #

      I don’t believe Billie is aware about Ethan’s orientation, though in part I think it’s since she’s met him all of like once.

      • Nono
        Nono
        June 22, 2014 at 9:59 am | #

        I like to imagine Billie likes to think any guy she finds hot is okay with making out with guys as well.

        Hence her thinking Ethan would be okay with lip-smacking dude is par for the course.

  17. nothri
    nothri
    June 22, 2014 at 12:14 am | #

    Okay, Billie, the thing is, Joyce is a mostly naive and innocent girl who isn’t going to understand your explanations.

    Obviously you’ll need to demonstrate by making out with her if you want any of your information to stick.

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      June 22, 2014 at 12:19 am | #

      Why waste time, just shove her face straight in your boobs.

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        June 22, 2014 at 12:21 am | #

        Nah, it doesn’t work anymore. People today are desensitized to that sort of thing.

        • timemonkey
          timemonkey
          June 22, 2014 at 12:33 am | #

          There is no resistance to Billie’s boobs. You are either born immune or you are at their mercy.

          • Aizat
            Aizat
            June 22, 2014 at 12:35 am | #

            Well, if it you put it like that….

          • Yotomoe
            Yotomoe
            June 22, 2014 at 12:47 am | #

            Gay men, Straight Women, All gendered and Sexed people the world over. ALL GIVE INTO THE MIGHT THAT IS BILLIE’S RACK.

            • Jody
              Jody
              June 22, 2014 at 4:16 am | #

              New super hero idea.

              She flies around with a giant boob window, to defeat villains she just directs their attention to her rack.

              She slowly pulls away some of the fabric and they’re sucked into an endless void.

              • Yotomoe
                Yotomoe
                June 22, 2014 at 12:02 pm | #

                That doesn’t even remotely sound like a punishment.

  18. Maveric1984
    Maveric1984
    June 22, 2014 at 12:15 am | #

    I gotta say, I was a male version of Billie for a while there in my 20s. I only ever had relationships that were only sex, not a lot of actual dating. I knew what I was doing in the bedroom, but not really how to be a boyfriend. I didn’t start really wanting more until about 4 years ago. I’m now engaged and am getting married in March.

    • Gadgeteer Smashwidget
      Gadgeteer Smashwidget
      June 22, 2014 at 4:32 pm | #

      congrats!

  19. Kernanator
    Kernanator
    June 22, 2014 at 12:16 am | #

    Going to town? I love going to town! Especially to bookstores!

  20. arank11
    arank11
    June 22, 2014 at 12:17 am | #

    Joe: *Rushes in, completely out of breath* I sensed that I was needed

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:19 am | #

      Joe’s powers allows him to detect hormonal change in the opposite sex and magically appears to join her or them…because he can.

      • arank11
        arank11
        June 22, 2014 at 12:34 am | #

        With great penis comes great responsibility

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 22, 2014 at 12:48 am | #

      He busts through the wall like Kool-Aid man.

      • ShaggyDonahugh
        ShaggyDonahugh
        June 22, 2014 at 1:09 am | #

        Penis first, because he’s Joe.

      • kelticat
        kelticat
        June 22, 2014 at 1:43 am | #

        No he teleports and Billie and Joyce will be “Where the heck/hell did you come from?!”

        • Doom Shepherd
          Doom Shepherd
          June 22, 2014 at 11:21 am | #

          Tuckerspace.

    • PedanticJerkass
      PedanticJerkass
      June 23, 2014 at 10:06 am | #

      He’s already there, standing behind the door like Dina.

  21. Ragnal
    Ragnal
    June 22, 2014 at 12:19 am | #

    W-wait, I thought she went to lunch with Walky. Did she change her mind after the Ruth stare?

    • Gigafreak
      Gigafreak
      June 22, 2014 at 12:36 am | #

      This is maybe an hour later. You can see Joyce had just started decorating when they left, and she just FINISHED decorating when you see Walky coming back.

      • Ragnal
        Ragnal
        June 22, 2014 at 9:06 am | #

        Ah, you’re right. I forgot that the scene transitioned over to Danny’s perspective for a wee bit.

  22. MrSirk
    MrSirk
    June 22, 2014 at 12:19 am | #

    At this ponit I’m not sure if she know’s that “going to town” means banging.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      June 22, 2014 at 12:20 am | #

      Yeah, I thought she meant beating up Ethan or something.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        June 22, 2014 at 12:49 am | #

        I thought she had no idea to use public transit.

  23. LiaHansen
    LiaHansen
    June 22, 2014 at 12:21 am | #

    whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  24. Rabid Rabbit
    Rabid Rabbit
    June 22, 2014 at 12:27 am | #

    So, Willis, your next Slipshine is going to be Billie’s demonstration, yes? Like how a lead cheerleader would explain a move to a newbie by showing it off. Except this will be Billie explaining, then suddenly having to make Joyce position herself a certain way because she needs the other body to demonstrate the move properly… http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1453

    • Chubsius
      Chubsius
      June 22, 2014 at 12:40 am | #

      “Joyce and Billie read a porn together. FOR INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES!”

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        June 22, 2014 at 12:41 am | #

        Or as Padok Wiks put it, in the interest OF SCIENCE!

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 22, 2014 at 12:49 am | #

      “Billie demonstrates the best course of action on how to suck like a billion dicks”
      Long title but I think it works.

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        June 22, 2014 at 1:03 am | #

        Why not 37?

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 22, 2014 at 1:35 am | #

        “First, when you open your mouth, remember to part your teeth.”

    • -Sentinel-
      -Sentinel-
      June 22, 2014 at 10:39 am | #

      I guess they’ll be using a strap-on?

  25. Pyr05
    Pyr05
    June 22, 2014 at 12:34 am | #

    Joyce is unaware dating is not ‘going to town’ on someone. Sorry Joyce, it doesn’t mean going to town to go on a date and make out heavily.

  26. Chubsius
    Chubsius
    June 22, 2014 at 12:36 am | #

    If Joyce can’t get her gender studies lessons right, I fear with great fear what the result of Billie’s teachings will be.

    Also, what exactly is Joyce’s plan right now? To force herself on Ethan in an attempt to screw him straight? I’m calling it now, if that happens it’ll trigger the red background of doom and flashbacks to the party. Extra damns to Willis if it triggers her memory and she actually remembers everything that happened that night.

    • Ocksgrough
      Ocksgrough
      June 22, 2014 at 12:44 am | #

      Wait, what? I thought she remembered all that happened already: she thwarted everything but the drugging by whacking the guy with her glass (with Sarah’s follow-up batting).

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        June 22, 2014 at 12:47 am | #

        Yeah but she rather not remember that sort of thing. I mean, do you want to even remember the traumatic things you faced?

        • tinfoil theory
          tinfoil theory
          June 22, 2014 at 1:39 am | #

          I know I don’t.

          But Joyce did ask if the nice pastor’s son was all right, so apparently there were some things that did not make it to long term memory after the drugs took effect.

          Which also means that the memories cannot be recovered by whatever trigger.

          Unless I’m wrong. There are many alcohol-induced holes in my memory. (I blame space aliens from the planet Minibar.)

          • kelticat
            kelticat
            June 22, 2014 at 1:48 am | #

            They made it to her subconscious memory because she still sees him in her nightmares.

            • tinfoil theory
              tinfoil theory
              June 22, 2014 at 1:57 am | #

              It’s not like nobody told her what happened.

          • Bill
            Bill
            June 22, 2014 at 3:54 am | #

            She was told why her hand was bandaged and a brief outline of what had happened — “You smashed a cup in a boy’s face …. he drugged you”.  Sarah never told her exactly *WHO* it was that had drugged her or who she gashed.

            • Jason
              Jason
              June 22, 2014 at 3:58 pm | #

              I think you’re reading that wrong. They told her off-panel.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      June 22, 2014 at 12:50 am | #

      Oh man. We’re getting a new superhero?

      • ShaggyDonahugh
        ShaggyDonahugh
        June 22, 2014 at 1:11 am | #

        Dear God. Amazi-girl gets a sidekick, the Billidick Wonder.

    • kelticat
      kelticat
      June 22, 2014 at 1:14 am | #

      I’m calling double red flashbacks of doom if she starts trying to screw Ethan straight. She’ll flashback to the party, He’ll flashback to the convenience store and prom. We probably will end up with a new hero as Ethan starts going after rapists and possibly Sal and definitely Joyce.

      • ShaggyDonahugh
        ShaggyDonahugh
        June 22, 2014 at 1:17 am | #

        I like how hero has become synonymous with “Person who uses violence to deal with their many psychoses”.

        • kelticat
          kelticat
          June 22, 2014 at 1:22 am | #

          Hey, both Amber and Ethan admire the Bat franchise. A group of heroes who use violence to deal with traumatic incidents.

          • ShaggyDonahugh
            ShaggyDonahugh
            June 22, 2014 at 1:31 am | #

            Eh. Never really liked Batman (for that reason lol). However, he does have my favorite villain, The Joker ^_^
            Though it’s really not saying much, because my favorite hero is Iron Man.

            • Gangler
              Gangler
              June 22, 2014 at 3:03 am | #

              What weirds me out is the writers who think Bruce Wayne can be interesting without a Robin.

              There’s some small child who has to deal with all his bullshit. That’s what makes all his rage and trauma matter.

        • tinfoil theory
          tinfoil theory
          June 22, 2014 at 1:43 am | #

          As opposed to the original meaning of hero: Someone who gets others killed.

          (Fortunately, Batman is the kind of hero who would never koll anyone.)

      • Rabid Rabbit
        Rabid Rabbit
        June 22, 2014 at 1:37 am | #

        Meanwhile, Sal: “Why da fuck are are all these crazy masked people tryin’ to beat me up al the time???”

  27. chris73
    chris73
    June 22, 2014 at 12:53 am | #

    This is something that can’t really be explained so much as demonstrated

  28. Ancestral Hamster
    Ancestral Hamster
    June 22, 2014 at 1:23 am | #

    Billie has failed dating but is summa cum laude in one-night stands.

    {Oh, and her nickname is “Lassie”! :D}

    • Maveric1984
      Maveric1984
      June 22, 2014 at 9:15 am | #

      Why do they call her Lassie?

      Get her up in the equipment room.

      • Ancestral Hamster
        Ancestral Hamster
        June 23, 2014 at 1:09 am | #

        Good, someone got the reference! Three points for you!

  29. Bill
    Bill
    June 22, 2014 at 1:25 am | #

    I have a very bad feeling about this.

  30. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    June 22, 2014 at 1:30 am | #

    http://i.imgur.com/s9BrtRf.png

    Edit I did a billion years ago of panel 3

    • kelticat
      kelticat
      June 22, 2014 at 1:33 am | #

      What was that?! Joyce coming into the room after killing Amber? Or Ethan?

      • Triniking
        Triniking
        June 22, 2014 at 2:26 am | #

        Neither. She used Sarah’s toy the wrong way.

    • nothri
      nothri
      June 22, 2014 at 2:48 am | #

      Panel three is completely terrifying. Its what I expect to see if Gozer came to me and asked me to pick the form of the destroyer and I thought of DOA.

    • 3oranges
      3oranges
      June 22, 2014 at 2:15 pm | #

      It works really well with what she’s saying in that panel, too.

  31. nothri
    nothri
    June 22, 2014 at 2:43 am | #

    Man, I had a very busy schedule to stick to of wallowing in my own misery. Damn all these fools and their need for my wisdom!

  32. Marvelman
    Marvelman
    June 22, 2014 at 3:30 am | #

    uh-oh

  33. JoeMerl
    JoeMerl
    June 22, 2014 at 3:53 am | #

    Hmm…Joyce wants to keep Ethan from being gay, Billie recently failed at being gay…she might actually be really helpful!

    • Oxyvolt
      Oxyvolt
      June 22, 2014 at 7:10 am | #

      How does one “fail to be gay”? By being straight or bi?

      • Marianne
        Marianne
        June 22, 2014 at 7:22 am | #

        Well according to the British courts, a lesbian asylum seeker probably isn’t really a lesbian unless she’s attended pride parades and read Oscar Wilde. So I guess I’m lucky that I was born here, rather than fled here from a homophobic foreign government, as I also fail to be a proper lesbian under our wonderful, wise legal definition. And here you thought gayness was about who you found attractive!

        • Rutee
          Rutee
          June 22, 2014 at 12:12 pm | #

          ….ugh.

        • apostateCourier
          apostateCourier
          June 22, 2014 at 4:39 pm | #

          Please tell me you’re joking.

  34. acher4
    acher4
    June 22, 2014 at 4:05 am | #

    Oh my, this duet i hadn’t thought about. This friendship will be fun. 😀

  35. luxlucis
    luxlucis
    June 22, 2014 at 4:29 am | #

    Gosh darn it Joyce! He doesn’t wants you and the point was you not doing this!

  36. hof1991
    hof1991
    June 22, 2014 at 7:23 am | #

    Billie is so focused on herself and/or drunk that she is a fount of misinformation and bad advice. She thinks Sal is AG and almost attacked Danny just for a little information. Of course Sarah’s not been much help, as Joyce wants man hands on her, not mechanical phalluses. Dorothy might give her some useful advice, but no one with any sense would help her plan a semi seduction of Ethan. Hence she asks Billie

  37. flyingfish
    flyingfish
    June 22, 2014 at 8:25 am | #

    Step 1: Make sure he isn’t gay.

  38. Rocketboy1313
    Rocketboy1313
    June 22, 2014 at 9:23 am | #

    Read that as, “Go down on somebody”.

  39. Just Here
    Just Here
    June 22, 2014 at 9:26 am | #

    And in obedience to the universal laws of comedy, Joyce goes to just about the worst person possible for relationship advice.

    Joyce’s ultimate problem is simple: Joyce needs to learn to define Joyce, and Joyce’s wants & needs internally, and not in terms of what others want for Joyce.

    I can relate. Growing up, I wasn’t encourage in a lot of self-independence. Not for religious reasons, but for others. Learning how to deal with the real world was a bongo.

    • March
      March
      June 22, 2014 at 6:37 pm | #

      I think she just wants to know what she’s supposed to do when she wants more than a chaste kiss, in which case Billy might be the best person. She knows all about BC, and she’s been around the block a few times. She’ll tell Joyce in blunt terms that she can’t misinterpret. Like, “This is sex, this is what you need to do to get him off, what he needs to do to get you off, and then you both go home happy”

  40. Jeeves
    Jeeves
    June 22, 2014 at 10:15 am | #

    Just you wait, it’ll turn out that Joyce is like some kind of boner savant. Like the Kwisatz Haderach, but with dicks.

    Little did Jacob know how true his ‘suck like a billion dicks’ quip would turn out to be…

    • gwalla
      gwalla
      June 23, 2014 at 5:13 pm | #

      The Spice Channel must flow?

  41. Rani
    Rani
    June 22, 2014 at 10:21 am | #

    Forget what I said about Amazi-Girl.

    THIS is the plane that’s going down.

    AWESOME.

  42. Sean
    Sean
    June 22, 2014 at 11:01 am | #

    Is that a thing people do? Talk about sex like that? I’m being serious, is that a thing actual people do like Billy and Joyce do here?

    • Rani
      Rani
      June 22, 2014 at 11:04 am | #

      inb4 YES.

      What about it seems implausible?

    • Mr. Morningstar
      Mr. Morningstar
      June 22, 2014 at 11:41 am | #

      Is that… Really so hard to beleive?

    • Rutee
      Rutee
      June 22, 2014 at 12:03 pm | #

      Ahahahayes. Is it that unusual to you?

      …or do you mean the phrase ‘go to town’? Because I’m pretty sure Joyce is just talking about licky style right now.

    • Lanval
      Lanval
      June 22, 2014 at 5:18 pm | #

      People do! Especially in university. I’ve never been the type to ask or talk about that stuff myself but friends asking friends questions is pretty common.

      There are a lot of people who like dispensing their advice regardless of whether it was invited or not and it can be varying qualities.

  43. Edmund Grain
    Edmund Grain
    June 22, 2014 at 11:14 am | #

    Obviously this will end with Joyce and Sal making out on the motorcycle.

  44. Sam
    Sam
    June 22, 2014 at 12:10 pm | #

    Why is Joyce pointing to that door in the last panel?

    • Jackson
      Jackson
      June 22, 2014 at 3:02 pm | #

      Because the town is that way.

      • anonymous
        anonymous
        June 22, 2014 at 5:07 pm | #

        Jacob is waiting in the hall.

  45. Charles Fee
    Charles Fee
    June 22, 2014 at 12:14 pm | #

    Wait..What does that mean in America? You guys have really different (Read: Wrong) definitions of most sexual acts compared to Europe

    • gwalla
      gwalla
      June 23, 2014 at 5:17 pm | #

      It is not anything specific. It is equivalent to “really get down to business”, “do thoroughly and with much enthusiasm”.

      • Charles Fee
        Charles Fee
        June 24, 2014 at 5:41 am | #

        Ah fair enough, it’s mostly the bases you do really weird to us. Pretty much the same in this case but usually implies violence/force

  46. Jess
    Jess
    June 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm | #

    I can sympathize with Joyce… My BF is bi and I’m entirely straight. I love him, even though there are times when he kinda makes me feel uncomfortable. There are times when I wish he was just straight, but I love him enough that I’m not going to try changing him. The best I can do is try to make him as comfortable as possible with himself.

    • Charles Fee
      Charles Fee
      June 22, 2014 at 9:05 pm | #

      Why? If my GF had a problem with me liking dudes I’d leave her. That’s like…Nearly homophobic. Joyce has a reason to think so, homosexuality is wrong to her.

  47. Lanval
    Lanval
    June 22, 2014 at 5:19 pm | #

    Whelp. This ends in tears and likely Ethan getting dragged out of the university closet kicking and screaming.

  48. John
    John
    June 23, 2014 at 7:10 am | #

    Panel 3 Joyce will swallow your soul.

  49. OmegaDez
    OmegaDez
    June 23, 2014 at 2:38 pm | #

    Doyyy.

    And Billie needs a hug.

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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
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Two days left to collect pledges for a Tricerahoodie Dina plush!  If we reach 200 pledges by Thursday, Dina will be made! That sounds pretty rad, I dunno!  Run over there if you want to help make this...
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Kashana @kashana.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Can’t believe nobody wants to go to a soccer game to be kidnapped by ICE
phillewis.bsky.social's user avatarPhil Lewis @phillewis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
FIFA Club World Cup ticket sales tank dramatically after the Dept. of Homeland Security bragged that agents would be “suited and booted" at the stadium in a now-deleted social media post
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FIFA Club World Cup Ticket Sales TANK After DHS Says Agents Will Be At Stadium
Tickets to the opening match that were once $349 (and up) could be had for just $4.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Three days to go! www.makeship.com/petitions/tr...
damnyouwillis.bsky.social's user avatarDavid M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 9d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... Wanna Tricerahoodie Dina plush? GO PLEDGE FOR ONE! We need 200 people to make it happen! Pledge period will end in 10 days!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
www.ebay.com/itm/23615364... selling my studio series 86-11 perceptor! with *jazz hands* instructions!!!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
....got into spx on the waitlist dreams are real!!!!!!!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
hey guess who's getting sold next
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
ACAB means Dolly
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Three days to go! www.makeship.com/petitions/tr...
damnyouwillis.bsky.social's user avatarDavid M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 9d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... Wanna Tricerahoodie Dina plush? GO PLEDGE FOR ONE! We need 200 people to make it happen! Pledge period will end in 10 days!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
I think you mean the Slug-Maker
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
today in #9chickweedlane i guess we're memory-holing again that 1997 story where amos and edda kissed for the first time after she, uh, got shot at school
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
this has real "leia comforting luke for losing a guy he just met after her planet got exploded" energy
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Dumbing of Age: "Locate" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
butts disease
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Unnatural Selections @soundmirrors.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
It’s been awhile since I’ve more seriously read up on Ugaritic and Canaanite religions (alas, w/semi dated scholarship), but this is interesting, and not in a peaceful matriarchal fantasy kind of way.
theradr.bsky.social's user avatarRabbi Danya Ruttenberg @theradr.bsky.social ⋅ 22d
If you do a close read not only of the Bible but the archeology, it starts to look like the Israelites, & all but a couple of Judean kings, worshipped a goddess for pretty much the whole First Temple era. The implications of this are... far ranging-- & her name might not be what we've believed.
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Israelite Goddess Mystery Quest
smashing pillars / tracing echoes
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Have some sticker ideas for Toyhax
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
fellas, is hasbro trying to make toys for children again
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