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Unwittingly

by David M Willis on May 3, 2013 at 12:01 am
  • 03 - Answers in Hennessy
└ Tags: joyce, sarah

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  1. Herohatch
    Herohatch
    May 3, 2013 at 12:02 am | #

    Joyce’s logic never fails to impress.

    • Tucker
      Tucker
      May 3, 2013 at 3:02 am | #

      I love you, you love me, we’re a happy family!

      (You’re welcome, DOAers)

      Alternatively:
      I love you, you love men, we’re a happy comedy!

      • Skull025
        Skull025
        May 3, 2013 at 8:26 pm | #

        Comendy.

  2. Joe H
    Joe H
    May 3, 2013 at 12:02 am | #

    I know about it too!

  3. Jen Aside
    Jen Aside
    May 3, 2013 at 12:02 am | #

    I know it, and you know it, but do you know I know you know I know it?

    • wererat2000
      wererat2000
      May 3, 2013 at 12:22 am | #

      Wait… are we sure *HE* knows about it?

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      May 3, 2013 at 12:26 am | #

      Reminds me of that one episode of Samurai Jack.

      • ProjectXa3
        ProjectXa3
        May 3, 2013 at 12:41 am | #

        I feel like I should know this one… it involved the Scotsman, right?

        • CianM1301
          CianM1301
          May 3, 2013 at 4:15 am | #

          I believe it was the episode where Jack and Aku fought man-to-man out in the desert, or man-to-demon.

          • Roborat
            Roborat
            May 3, 2013 at 3:23 pm | #

            I seem to remember that was virtually every episode.

            Jump Good

        • KingStarscream
          KingStarscream
          May 3, 2013 at 11:19 am | #

          Was it the one with the “wish granting” worm?

          • Kennerly
            Kennerly
            May 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm | #

            No, CianM is right. Its the one were Jack and Aku decide to have a duel where Jack won’t use his magic sword and Aku won’t use magic or any of his minions. Of course Aku cheats, but Jack was expecting that.

    • Kernanator
      Kernanator
      May 3, 2013 at 12:35 am | #

      Wait, what were we talking about?

    • Aras Pabedinskas
      Aras Pabedinskas
      May 3, 2013 at 1:07 am | #

      I am getting Friends flashbacks from this comment.

  4. SUGauthor
    SUGauthor
    May 3, 2013 at 12:04 am | #

    This strip is all kinds of awesome.

  5. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    May 3, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

    You didn’t think Joyce knew and THAT’S how you would’ve broken it to her, Sarah?

    • Lightning Spiral
      Lightning Spiral
      May 3, 2013 at 12:06 am | #

      Yeah, that was my reaction, too.

    • ASmellyOgre
      ASmellyOgre
      May 3, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

      To be fair, if she didn’t already know, the next few strips would have been hilariously awkward. Well, they’ll still be hilariously awkward, but not in the same way.

    • Jen Aside
      Jen Aside
      May 3, 2013 at 12:07 am | #

      My guess would’ve been truth veiled as sarcasm

    • GoldStarz
      GoldStarz
      May 3, 2013 at 12:08 am | #

      Joyce has been told about several times now, the only reason she finally went “Oh my geez, he’s gay” this time was because her ‘boyfriend’ actually told her himself.

    • Spiny Creature
      Spiny Creature
      May 3, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

      Yotomoe is surprised because it has been established in canon that Sarah is known for her tact.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      May 3, 2013 at 12:12 am | #

      I would’ve danced around it but apparently Sarah is a direct type of person.

      • John
        John
        May 3, 2013 at 12:29 am | #

        It’s difficult to dance around things after Sarah’s taken a bat to your knee.

    • ArkhamTexan
      ArkhamTexan
      May 3, 2013 at 3:42 pm | #

      Yeah, that was a pretty dick move on Sarah’s par–ahhh, screw it. I’ve bongoed about Sarah in previous strips enough. I’ll just put another tally mark in the appropriate column and just express future >:( at Sarah there. It gets too tiring otherwise. 😛

      • John
        John
        May 5, 2013 at 9:20 am | #

        Given Joyce’s demonstrated capacity for repression and denial, I suspect Sarah thought Joyce would manage to still not know even after being told directly.

  6. ASmellyOgre
    ASmellyOgre
    May 3, 2013 at 12:05 am | #

    It’s not really unwittingly then, is it?

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      May 3, 2013 at 12:16 am | #

      Wittingly, really.

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        May 3, 2013 at 12:29 am | #

        Or un-unwittingly.

      • Neospector
        Neospector
        May 3, 2013 at 12:30 am | #

        Unwittingly my wit fails to make me wittingly wit.

  7. Geminia999
    Geminia999
    May 3, 2013 at 12:08 am | #

    Wait, why does Joyce have a band-aid on her arm?

    • David
      David M Willis
      May 3, 2013 at 12:26 am | #

      She got a flu shot. Last week for us, ten minutes ago for her.

      • ASmellyOgre
        ASmellyOgre
        May 3, 2013 at 1:14 am | #

        So Dumbing of Age moves at roughly 0.09921% real time. At that speed this comic will be finished in over 750 years.

        • Cholma
          Cholma
          May 3, 2013 at 1:29 am | #

          You’re forgetting about the 5 year time jump David throws in after this school year ends! Joyce & Joe are married while most of the characters fade into the background while David introduces new characters to take the lead.

          • ASmellyOgre
            ASmellyOgre
            May 3, 2013 at 1:44 am | #

            The really funny part is that I just did the actual rough estimate and it came out at a little over 40 years, maybe about 45 (and, yes, I know he’s only doing Freshman year). Assuming he does it in the same detail he has been, this comic already depends on Willis living to a ripe old age.

            • ASmellyOgre
              ASmellyOgre
              May 3, 2013 at 1:47 am | #

              Oh, scratch that! More like 50 years. Not even a week of content per year.

              • Groove
                Groove
                May 3, 2013 at 4:02 am | #

                It’s kind of crazy when you think of it like that. I went back to the first strip the other day to see how much the art style has changed and it’s kind of ridiculous to see how much has happened with only a few weeks passing.

                It’s also a clever way to have the status quo maintain for long periods even when character development in strip time is at a breakneck pace (which is pretty realistic for the first weeks away at college).

              • Josh
                Josh
                May 3, 2013 at 6:11 am | #

                So far we’ve got a little over a week a year, on my last count today should be Thursday week three, but DoA is only 2.5 years old.

                Not that that is much better, epically when we skipped three days of it waiting for some Pajama Jeans. xD

        • hmrc4evr
          hmrc4evr
          May 3, 2013 at 11:25 am | #

          Nope. DoA will be Walky’s tribute to Simon Furman.
          Why?
          Because IT NEVER (will) END!

          • Roborat
            Roborat
            May 3, 2013 at 3:27 pm | #

            Pretty clever of Willis to ensure he has work until he retires, or dies, whichever comes first.

            That being said, I have given up worrying about the timeline and just enjoy the comics.

        • Ivan
          Ivan
          May 4, 2013 at 3:41 am | #

          How do current mortality rates fit in for this age group when compressed by 50 years? Basically we should be seeing many of the characters dying off well before finals.

      • Led
        Led
        May 3, 2013 at 3:33 pm | #

        I’d love to have “In-universe Date and Time” added above the tags on each comic, so we can really keep track of how long it’s been 😀

        • David
          David M Willis
          May 3, 2013 at 4:05 pm | #

          Well, considering DoA doesn’t take place in any specific year, that wouldn’t work at all. If I say it’s September the fifth, for example, and we know it’s a certain day of the week, that kind of makes it one year or another.

          • A5PECT
            A5PECT
            May 3, 2013 at 7:43 pm | #

            How about tracking time by the in-universe college schedule?

            So the first strip would be tagged S1W1, which would stand for “semester 1, week 1.”

            • Li
              Li
              May 3, 2013 at 8:32 pm | #

              But he doesn’t really want to keep track of time like that.

              • David
                David M Willis
                May 3, 2013 at 9:00 pm | #

                Yeah, I’m not really sure it really matters. Stuff happens when it happens. Would it make a difference at all if this were week 5 or week 7?

                • Aegon01
                  Aegon01
                  May 3, 2013 at 9:08 pm | #

                  Be like Andrew Hussie and do a ton of acts and intermissions. It probably won’t be incredibly confusing.

                • Boom
                  Boom
                  May 5, 2013 at 3:01 pm | #

                  It could matter.

      • Boom
        Boom
        May 5, 2013 at 3:00 pm | #

        Lies!

  8. saltchocolate
    saltchocolate
    May 3, 2013 at 12:09 am | #

    AKA “an open secret” (waiting to become “an open relationship”?)

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      May 3, 2013 at 12:14 am | #

      Which will lead to an open day.

    • Spiny Creature
      Spiny Creature
      May 3, 2013 at 12:18 am | #

      As nice as an open relationship would be, I suspect Joyce and Ethan would be uncomfortable with non-monogamy.

      Something about that couple doesn’t really scream “I have overcome traditional ideas about sexual morality!” Can’t put my finger on what it is, though…

      • saltchocolate
        saltchocolate
        May 3, 2013 at 12:25 am | #

        Because Joyce won’t let strangers touch her.

      • saltchocolate
        saltchocolate
        May 3, 2013 at 12:26 am | #

        You’re right, in other words — though it’s tempting to imagine…

  9. Aizat
    Aizat
    May 3, 2013 at 12:10 am | #

    Somehow, I think this would work. I don’t know why I thought of it.

  10. Regalli
    Regalli
    May 3, 2013 at 12:12 am | #

    I like Joyce’s collar turned up like that. Not entirely sure why, but it looks cute.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      May 3, 2013 at 12:16 am | #

      Good…let the 80s flow through you…

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        May 3, 2013 at 12:20 am | #

        Good, I like the 80’s.

      • Regalli
        Regalli
        May 3, 2013 at 1:34 am | #

        I tried it once, but I ended up in a bad stage musical that included an incestuous Star Wars dream sequence set to “Believe It Or Not” from The Greatest American Hero.

        And because you’ll never believe that’s a thing that exists…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk9pnsU5ilE
        It was a random performance but that was the best video I could find of it on Youtube. That’s an actual thing in the script.

        • Cholma
          Cholma
          May 3, 2013 at 2:31 am | #

          Forget Zoobille Zoo! I now have the Greatest American Hero Theme earworm. Personally, I call that a WIN.

          Believe it or not
          I’m walking on air
          I never thought I could feel so free-ee-ee
          Flyin’ away on a wing and a prayer
          Who… could… it be?
          Believe it or not, it’s just meeee

          • Regalli
            Regalli
            May 3, 2013 at 3:29 am | #

            Yeah, of all the songs they could’ve set an incestuous Star Wars dream sequence to, that was definitely one of the more awesome choices. Albeit a pretty bizarre one.

          • hmrc4evr
            hmrc4evr
            May 3, 2013 at 11:32 am | #

            Greatest American Hero needs a reboot!

            Or DC/WB could get off their collected asses and DO SOMETHING along the same lines but with Billy Batson/Captain Marvel.

            Hell since Marvel owns Malibu comics they could do a Prime series.

            But there’s just as much a chance of those happening as seeing a return of Amalgam Comics on a regular basis.

          • Animal
            Animal
            May 3, 2013 at 3:12 pm | #

            My current earworm is Prokofiev’s Arise, Ye Russian People from Alexander Nevsky, which has the unfortunate side effect of making me want to run out and slaughter Germans.

        • Dicrel Seijin
          Dicrel Seijin
          May 3, 2013 at 4:28 am | #

          I thought you were joking. I can’t believe that it’s really real.

        • StClair
          StClair
          May 3, 2013 at 1:53 pm | #

          What makes this even better is that William Katt auditioned for the role of Luke. (You can find that on Youtube as well.)

  11. Uniqueantique
    Uniqueantique
    May 3, 2013 at 12:14 am | #

    So Joyce’s homeschooled friend, with very likely the same amount of worldly wisdom and sophistication as Joyce herself, is going to advise Joyce on this rather tricky relationship boondoggle?
    Yeah, right.
    That conversation would be worth overhearing.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      May 3, 2013 at 12:22 am | #

      It’s like a trainwreck, it’s horrible but you can’t look away from it.

    • Questionor
      Questionor
      May 3, 2013 at 12:30 am | #

      actually didn’t Joyce say at some point that she was the most well adjusted of their group or something like that?

      • Spiny Creature
        Spiny Creature
        May 3, 2013 at 12:40 am | #

        According to their preacher, Joyce is the well-adjusted one, hence she was trusted with going to a big state school full of sinners. Becky is the one who couldn’t handle a secular university.

        • TinHeart
          TinHeart
          May 3, 2013 at 10:33 pm | #

          Does this mean, she was the only one indoctrinated enough that her preacher was sure that the ‘sinners’ wouldn’t be able to ‘corrupt’ her, or does this mean she was the one the least intense about her indoctrination and hence able to get along with the least suspicion?

          • Charles Phipps
            Charles Phipps
            May 4, 2013 at 8:58 pm | #

            The thing to understand about religion is it rarely works like a cult since religious leaders usually believe it, removing a lot of the “sinster manipulation” aspect–even in fundamentalists.

            • David
              David M Willis
              May 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm | #

              I think if we arbitrarily decide that a cult can’t be a cult if its leader buys into his/her own delusion, then there are a hell of a lot of cults that aren’t cults. If David Koresh didn’t buy into his own press, I’m pretty sure he’d have been waving a white flag in about 30 seconds once the FBI surrounded his compound. And I think we can agree he was a cult leader, yes?

            • begbert2
              begbert2
              May 5, 2013 at 12:37 am | #

              If you’re going to forgo the standard definition of a cult (“Any religion I [the speaker] don’t belong to”), then you’re unlikely to find a consensus as to the definition. Personally I think there are several factors to look at: the degree to which the religion tries to separate their members from outsiders, the degree to which it tries to control and manipulate information, and the degree to which it idolizes its past and present mortal leaders. It’s tempting to also include how focused it is on money, but that really only indicates corruption, rather than cult status specifically.

      • Kelly
        Kelly
        May 3, 2013 at 12:42 am | #

        It was like the second or third thing she said to Sara

    • Charles RB
      Charles RB
      May 3, 2013 at 2:13 am | #

      This will end well.

      For US.

  12. Doctor_Who
    Doctor_Who
    May 3, 2013 at 12:15 am | #

    I can’t imagine how Becky will react.

    First Joyce goes and dates a guy almost immediately upon entering college. Then she reveals that he’s a Jewish guy. Now Joyce tells her that she’s dating a GAY Jewish guy.

    She’s fully expecting the next call to be “Good news, he’s not Jewish after all; he’s satanic!”

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      May 3, 2013 at 12:17 am | #

      Becky’s head will explode when Joyce tells her.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      May 3, 2013 at 12:18 am | #

      Or worse. “Good news, I’m pregnant with the Anti-Christ” or something like that.

      • luke
        luke
        May 4, 2013 at 7:56 am | #

        I feel like it’s Becky who’s going to be the pregnant one 😮

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      May 3, 2013 at 12:32 am | #

      No better yet. “Turns out I’m not dating a gay Jewish guy at all!”

      • Ancestral Hamster
        Ancestral Hamster
        May 3, 2013 at 12:43 am | #

        Re: Turns out I’m not dating a gay Jewish guy at all!”
        …”I’m dating a gay Jewish woman!”

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          May 3, 2013 at 12:50 am | #

          Not only that but I’ve found a really nice coven to join!

          • Ancestral Hamster
            Ancestral Hamster
            May 3, 2013 at 12:56 am | #

            Then Becky will contact her youth pastor and a few of Joyce’s other friends and an intervention will be staged. Whereupon the sinner will be brought back into the fold, and IU burned to the ground.

            • Aras Pabedinskas
              Aras Pabedinskas
              May 3, 2013 at 1:13 am | #

              Unfortunately, burning the university down invokes the final mass sacrifice necessary to bring the Lord Satan to the mortal realm upon which time he will take Joyce (and Ethan) as his mate(s) and use their anti-christ spawn to finally over throw God. And everyboddy will be forced to wear sweater vets and be lesbians.

              • Groove
                Groove
                May 3, 2013 at 4:04 am | #

                And all because they played D&D.

                • hmrc4evr
                  hmrc4evr
                  May 3, 2013 at 11:34 am | #

                  Uhm…I played Battletech so I’m excused from the downfall of humanity right?

                • SerpentRose
                  SerpentRose
                  May 4, 2013 at 12:34 pm | #

                  Exactly! And there are people working to get out the word on how dangerous D&D is. Notably someone is fundraising to make “Dark Dungeons” into a movie. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/295102457/rpgs-are-evil-dark-dungeons-the-movie

                • begbert2
                  begbert2
                  May 5, 2013 at 12:52 am | #

                  I… I… I honestly can’t tell if that Dark Dungeons thing is supposed to be anti-RPG, or anti-Chick. I mean, I’m leaning towards the latter, because of, well, tons of reasons from his video, but on the other hand… seriously?

  13. Orion Fury
    Orion Fury
    May 3, 2013 at 12:22 am | #

    I can imagine a continuation of the punchline with Dina. It’s not dirty or anything like that, I just won’t say it, since I now fear my posts being randomly deleted.

    Though I’m curious as to why I’m even bothering with this then. Oh well, hope and hope, I guess.

    • Zababcd
      Zababcd
      May 3, 2013 at 1:12 am | #

      My post on yesterday’s comic appears to have disappeared as well, and I’m almost certain I didn’t break any rule. Supposing that you also didn’t break a rule, it could have been a site error. Or maybe David was just in a bad mood and decided to randomly delete a bunch of comments.

      • Orion Fury
        Orion Fury
        May 3, 2013 at 1:18 am | #

        Maybe. Is your Gravatar assigned or one you picked out?

        • Zababcd
          Zababcd
          May 3, 2013 at 1:50 am | #

          I picked it out. I’ve been making a new grav for every strip I post on for a while now, with source material from the strip. It helps to suppress my urge to link to completely pointless image manipulations in the comment section.

    • John
      John
      May 3, 2013 at 1:25 am | #

      The comic just moved to a new server, and things behind the scenes may be lagging a bit in getting pointed at the new site. Probably you posted your comment on the old server after the switchover, and your browser has since gotten straightened out and found the new server, which never had the comment you left on the old one.

      • Orion Fury
        Orion Fury
        May 3, 2013 at 1:36 am | #

        Have to wait and see, assuming that the old comments will pop over.

        • John
          John
          May 3, 2013 at 2:04 am | #

          Probably not. I think Willis would have to manually transfer over any comments posted on the old site after the switchover, and it seems unlikely that he’d bother.

          • David
            David M Willis
            May 3, 2013 at 6:17 am | #

            That’s way beyond my skillset, whether I could bother or not. I can’t even reach the old site, nor could I post comments that are not mine if I could.

  14. Cholma
    Cholma
    May 3, 2013 at 12:22 am | #

    * cue Dramatic Chipmunk
    Dun dun DUNNNNN!

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      May 3, 2013 at 12:28 am | #

      Cue Dramatic Thunder.

  15. Kernanator
    Kernanator
    May 3, 2013 at 12:31 am | #

    Actually, is there anyone who DOESN’T know?

    • Regalli
      Regalli
      May 3, 2013 at 12:39 am | #

      … Maaaaaybe Joe? I don’t think they’ve interacted with each other yet.

      • Aras Pabedinskas
        Aras Pabedinskas
        May 3, 2013 at 1:15 am | #

        Danny, but is that really a surprise?

    • Josh
      Josh
      May 3, 2013 at 6:14 am | #

      Jacob? Penny? Naaa I doubt it. 😉

  16. Kernanator
    Kernanator
    May 3, 2013 at 12:35 am | #

    Also, mmm, sweater vest porn.

    • Tom Speelman
      Tom Speelman
      May 3, 2013 at 12:46 am | #

      Dat vest.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        May 3, 2013 at 12:56 am | #

        I’m gonna have to delete my history.

        • Zababcd
          Zababcd
          May 3, 2013 at 1:53 am | #

          NO! If you delete your history, you will be deleting your present self (according to most fictional time-travel rules)!

          … Oh, you meant browser history. Carry on.

          (This is a transcription of my thought process upon reading your comment. I did get the joke as well, though. Afterwards.)

  17. Zababcd
    Zababcd
    May 3, 2013 at 1:02 am | #

    No wonder Becky’s not picking up, Joyce, your phone appears to be turned off.

  18. AsimovSideburns
    AsimovSideburns
    May 3, 2013 at 2:23 am | #

    This can only end in tears.

    Tears of laughter, and joy, and disillusioned self-hatred.

  19. Tristan J
    Tristan J
    May 3, 2013 at 2:50 am | #

    Wait, you know about that?
    Wait, you know about that?
    Wait, you know about that?

    Ignore me, just being silly.

    • BayoWolf
      BayoWolf
      May 3, 2013 at 1:18 pm | #

      The comma messes with it, allowing for an extra emphasis after it.

    • Historyman68
      Historyman68
      May 4, 2013 at 12:52 am | #

      Thank you, I’m glad somebody did that.

  20. Lis
    Lis
    May 3, 2013 at 3:53 am | #

    I really hope that something good comes out of this before Joyce gets pregnant “Saved” style

  21. name
    name
    May 3, 2013 at 4:12 am | #

    Are knowing and understanding still two diffrent things? Otherwise I am lost and need more to drink.

    • hmrc4evr
      hmrc4evr
      May 3, 2013 at 11:37 am | #

      Knowing is half the battle. Understanding is usually off in a bar getting sloshed.

  22. Notebooked
    Notebooked
    May 3, 2013 at 6:40 am | #

    And now she’s wittingly courting a gay guy. Hm.

  23. Gordon Blvd
    Gordon Blvd
    May 3, 2013 at 6:56 am | #

    man, these two are PRICELESS together!

  24. Frank
    Frank
    May 3, 2013 at 7:17 am | #

    After rereading this comic from start to now. I am even more disapointed in my freshmen year.

  25. NerdHerder
    NerdHerder
    May 3, 2013 at 8:19 am | #

    Oh snap, panel 1 is Joyce’s equivalent of flashing.

  26. Zart
    Zart
    May 3, 2013 at 8:57 am | #

    David, your “fan service” is impeccable, if not a bit too graphic for some perhaps…some of your readers might explode before their time…also, future sexuologists will have a hard time explaining fetishes with sweater vests in certain age/interest groups…

    • Viredae
      Viredae
      May 4, 2013 at 7:28 am | #

      Hell, I’m having difficulty explaining it now…

  27. Alexis
    Alexis
    May 3, 2013 at 9:25 pm | #

    She’s putting up a brave face, but you can tell Sarah’s disappointed that her sudden reveal didn’t totally devastate Joyce.

  28. Maycroft
    Maycroft
    May 3, 2013 at 11:48 pm | #

    Dotty doesn’t know.

  29. Historyman68
    Historyman68
    May 4, 2013 at 12:53 am | #

    At first I was like “what it’s not updating at midnight even though Willis moved to a new server?!” but then I was like “oh it’s Saturday”

  30. Zoey
    Zoey
    May 4, 2013 at 11:33 pm | #

    wait…..what!?

  31. Aeyt
    Aeyt
    May 5, 2013 at 11:58 am | #

    The flu shot band-aids confused me for a moment…

  32. Sarah
    Sarah
    May 5, 2013 at 7:22 pm | #

    Question: Am I a bad person for reading this while attending Purdue? lol.
    Well technically I’m studying abroad in England right now…anyway I discovered this through questionable content and now I feel weird never having heard about it at home.

    • Narf
      Narf
      June 26, 2013 at 12:54 am | #

      What… why would that… I don’t…

      No, no it does not make you a bad person to read this while attending Purdue. Absolutely noone on earth cares.

      (oh god i am so confuuuuuuuuuused)

  33. Siirenias
    Siirenias
    August 22, 2013 at 12:58 am | #

    I cannot ignore this – In the second through fourth panels, she looks bizarrely like Marty McFly, but like…in reverse.

  34. Onion
    Onion
    April 29, 2016 at 1:48 am | #

    Again, plane wreck.

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