As much as this theory amuses me, Amazi-Girl is quite clearly female. It would take a lot of work for a man, especially one like Joe, to pull off a convincing girl.
Interesting, I was going to ask you what poll you were talking about, then I discovered if I get to the current page by hitting the home button, rather than the latest button (repeatedly, it doesn’t seem to work properly), I get a different version of the page, with the poll showing.
“It is the same size, it is constantly hard, it cannot impregnate you, and I have two of it. As you see, madam, there is no need to remove my pants.”
– Sigmund Freud, seducer of many ladies
That’s nightmare inducing, but I’m fairly certain that it is somewhere in the confines of this sinful place called the internet. It’s like Sodom in some ways.
Especially since there’s a BEN section of Fanfiction.net. I’ve seen some in the romance category, but I’ve yet to build the courage to delve in. Just brings nightmares.
I didn’t think anything would happen since she said she’d be back in a few minutes. I hope Dorothy learned an important lesson and it’s what’s underneath that counts.
So Dorothy wants to reassert that she’s the one in charge in their relationship? …I mean… if a guy ever did this to a girl, I think she’d be seriously pissed. Am I being crazy here?
I can easily see Joe doing this to a woman and it still being awesome. Except it sorta breaks because I’d imagine Joe WOULD sleep with them. Why waste naked people?
…Actually that second one isn’t really that much of a stretch. And this is coming from someone who has overall liked and at least understood Dorothy’s side during this comic.
I doubt Walky’s into this, but even if she were to magically hit on a kink of his, she didn’t first get his permission to tease/humiliate him. Not cool at all.
ohwait, rereading the comic, it’s not necessarily a “haha, I have the power now I humiliate you” ploy. She could be just saying that his hawtsome bod totally outweighs their previous disagreement about clothes. That’s probably how she meant it, isn’t it. Bedtime for me.
maybe there is just some chemistry I’m not seeing here. To me, it reminded me of two situations, one personal and of a friend’s, where one party was asked to strip down and then just left standing. it was humiliating to an extent, because despite compliments, it proved to be more of mind-fucking power play. I guess thats not whats going on here and it was meant to be more fun.
No, how dare she decide that the issue at hand WHICH SHE STILL OWES HIM A PROPER APOLOGY FOR should be solved by “take your pants of so you get distracted”. Don’t try and make this a gender or sex issue, man, because saying that she should have slept with him is the OPPOSITE of what I’m suggesting… though even that would be better than her “Look, I have power over you. Now I leave.” move she’s pulling here.
I’ve had it done to me as a tease/joke and I wasn’t particularly pissed. Depends on the dynamic. They’ve got a relationship, if a simple one, built on fun and smoochies. He may be frustrated, but I doubt he’d be ANGRY that she complimented his sweet bod.
He’ll just be jealous he didn’t get to return the favor.
I feel sorry for Walky missing out on makeup sex, but not too sorry since he broke up with a girl over pajama pants. On the other hand, come on Dorothy. If you want to patch things up at least throw a dog a bone. Heh.
As far as we know, they haven’t had sex yet. So you really think it would be smart to make their first sexing part of a make-up from a break-up? (Hey, that rhymes!)
Nah, Dorothy is playing it well. Praise him, make the argument moot, and tease him for later when things aren’t so complicated.
Well, I’m not happy.
Not because there was no sexing. It’s probably too early in the relationship for that.
But because what was a really cute relationship is starting to take a turn for the ugly. Walky is being forced into the role of a doormat. Dorothy’s actions are surprisingly uncool. And fuck what Joyce just did.
Bleh, bleh, and bleh.
She reasserted her control freak dominance mojo so all is right with her world. Walky on the other hand, what happened man? We were so proud of you standing up to the she beast. What happened?
Joyce scared him. That’s what happened.
And “she beast”? That’s deeply unfair. Dorothy was overreacting during the original breakup, but she wasn’t being an evil bongo from Hell. NOW, however, she’s talking the easy way out. Boo.
Joyce scared him into taking Dorothy back which frankly wasn’t too terrible given that Dorothy seemed to have a flicker of remorse/understanding regarding the free will of others just a couple strips ago. If she had learned something from her earlier “change how you dress or else” bullshit episode it would be one thing but they’ve been back together for a grand total of MAYBE two minutes and she’s playing stupid power games once more to prove she’s in charge. In my opinion that pretty much defines she-beast.
And Walky being afraid of Joyce has NOTHING to do with him caving in here. I reiterate, “what happened to the Walky I respected?”
Ugh… Dorothy is not worthy of him. The more I see of her, the more I can’t stand her… I hope, even though it won’t happen, that Joyce and Walky end up together again. It would prove, no matter what universe they’re in, they are mean’t to be… and it is true.
Hell, almost any member of the cast, of either gender, would be better…
Is this Dorothy’s revenge?
Will she turn around and finish the job?
If not, Walky can always go back to the porn that was on his computer before she came over right?
5 seconds later- “Wait, does that mean I can put them back on now? Hello? Dorothy?”
50 minutes later: Mike walks in to see Walky at his laptop wearing tops but no bottoms.
Well, not in favor of Walky playing the role of the doormat and in this case being straight up objectified just because he stood up for himself.
But … I am liking the subtle Scrubs reference. I believe it was the second episode back before Carla and Turk were dating. She asks him to strip (implying that they were about to have sex in the on call room) and then just gives him the thumbs up and goes back to work. It worked there in context … here, it’s just mean.
Seriously, if you ever want to figure out if something is fair, swap the genders. Imagine if Dorothy broke up with Walky because he said she dressed too “fancy”. Walky tells Mike who then threatens Dorothy to take Walky back, only for Walky to then tell her to strip and after giving her the once over leaves after saying, “our argument is over.”
That “swap the genders” thing is always bullshit. It’s as bullshit as “reverse racism.” It presumes a false equivalency. Guys are bigger, stronger, and still run society. Our actions towards women will always have different connotations than the reverse. Merely swapping genders in a situation ignores the factors that actually make it different in the first place. Now, if you just grew Dorothy six inches taller, added seventy pounds, and they lived in a world where Walky’s gender was constantly judged for being a “vagina-tease” or something like that — you know, a place where there’s some Law that if you see someone’s genitals you’re honorbound to fuck them, and if you don’t you’re a horrible jerk…
Although I sort of agree that the situation would be a worse without keeping the complex dynamics in mind. A guy telling a girl he made out with and had a fight with to strip, giving her a once-over, and saying “Okay, we’re square now” is a little fucked up. Like “show your boobs and I’ll forgive you.” It only works in this situation because Dorothy is generally dominant AND she’s female.
That’s true, but gender not withstanding, going up to someone and saying “strip for my amusement” is kinda not cool – depending on the circumstances. That being said it’s not as though Walky’s ever had an issue with standing up to her and he did go along with it.
You know, Willis, just because it’d be WORSE if the genders were swapped doesn’t make it ok this way.
Joyce punching people because they don’t act according to her view of what’s proper etiquette. Worse if she were a guy? Yes. Ok because she’s a girl? No.
I agree with Matt in the sense that if just the genders were reversed our reaction would be different. I also agree with Willis about the false equivalency.
My question is this: Assuming perfect gender equality which reaction would be right? The one where we kinda find the situation funny or the one where we get up in arms about objectification? Or in perfect equivalence would the reaction be 50-50?
It may be a little too early for that but I am interested in knowing what Dorothy’s motivation for this was. If it is just to reassure her control over Walky in the relationship then yeah that’d be a little messed up. But Imma wait a little longer before I call judgement one way or another.
I suspected as much, but this is still a major “not cool” moment for Dorothy and Joyce (especially Joyce). Bullying people into relationships will always be wrong, and going along with it is not OK.
Do you REALLY feel this is how the past week’s worth of comics come across?
I mean, OK, I can totally believe that Walky regretted the breakup. Scary-faced Joyce screaming at him that he’s not worthy and doesn’t have the right to break up with someone better than him? Isn’t good conditions for making up. There is no way for it not to come across as “Walky is not permitted agency in his relationships”.
I still feel uncomfortable about this. It says that the fact she’s likes his body makes up for their argument. First of all that ignores the argument all together. There are compromises they need to work out and they just totally avoided them.
Secondly,Dorothy right now said. Ok, I remember why I wanted this relationship originally.
It seems like she’s ignoring his personality, and is just there for the sex. That may not be what she’s saying, it just tends to look like it.
So please excuse my squick.
Agreed. It would be one thing if Walky were the one seeing Dorothy naked and saying, “I forget what we were arguing about,” but she was the one who started it. He was the one who dumped her, but only because Dorothy said he didn’t dress to her liking. You can’t just say, “Now that I’ve seen you naked, I’m forgiven.”
I agree. I really don’t get what everybody’s complaining about. This is not a dominance thing, she just wanted to see him naked. And maybe show him that breaking up over a pair of pants was really dumb, as she didn’t really care that much in the first place – even if she’d asked him not to wear pajamas in public.
Haha, I don’t see why everyone is hating Dorothy for this. To me, it looks like she just wanted to see some sexy, to kind of lighten the mood a bit and get a good view. Also, Walky didn’t seem to mind. :3
Anyone notice that the actual issue hasn’t been resolved? She still has issues with the fact that he’s a hell of a lot more casual than she is and he’s still gonna want to be autonomous.
Mmm. On the one hand, yes, neither Joyce nor Dorothy can actually do anything to Walky, and if he didn’t want to get back together with Dorothy he didn’t have to, and if he didn’t want to take off his clothes he didn’t have to do that either. Totally granted.
The thing is, though, he looks unhappy in panel three. Embarrassed, at the very least. So it’s hard for me to feel happy about this, when what I’m seeing is that Dorothy made him uncomfortable for her own enjoyment and then promptly wandered off once she was satisfied. I’m not saying she should have had sex with him; I’m saying I’d feel better about this conversation if she hadn’t been the only one smiling when she walked out.
Having read all these speculations, and ‘what if..genders were same’…etc. etc. Also, read and reflected on the various Dorothy is a bongo, Walky is a doormat….
I just wondered how I’d personally feel if a guy burst into my dorm room, insisted I makeup with a guy who’d dumped me, and then if I were crazy enough to allow said guy into my room and he ‘ordered’ me to strip, gave me the thumbs up, and left…what would I do?
I’d buy a new lock for my dorm room, and seriously avoid both of them in the future.
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That’s it? =(
What, you thought they going to end up horizontal on the bed or something?
As opposed to vertical on the bed. Jumping, to be precise
That tends to involve a 90 degree angle.
If only you could see them now…
I read that comment as if Dorothy said it, and saw that smiley as Walky’s body.
“That’s it” works well in context.
How the hell did Amazi-Girl win over Dorothy in the comic drawing polls!?
Like! C’mon!
Yeah, that is weird, but I guess it make sense to have two separate entries for her in costume and out.
Dorothy isn’t Amazi-Girl…Amazi-girl is obviously Joe.
As much as this theory amuses me, Amazi-Girl is quite clearly female. It would take a lot of work for a man, especially one like Joe, to pull off a convincing girl.
You’ve clearly never been to Cleveland.
And by that I mean Cleveland, Thailand.
It’s a bar… there are really no words for it.
No guy can be that convince…they obviously pump a hallucinogenic gas into the building and photoshop all pictures.
Hence why it’s such an effective disguise.
no no your wrong amazi-girl is joyce from the future
Interesting, I was going to ask you what poll you were talking about, then I discovered if I get to the current page by hitting the home button, rather than the latest button (repeatedly, it doesn’t seem to work properly), I get a different version of the page, with the poll showing.
Freud would give this a thumbs up.
The thumb symbolizes his penis.
“It is the same size, it is constantly hard, it cannot impregnate you, and I have two of it. As you see, madam, there is no need to remove my pants.”
– Sigmund Freud, seducer of many ladies
‘It is the same size’? That poor, poor man.
Yep. His gigantic thumbs were a trial to him.
Widely-known fact.
How could Walky blush? Surely all the blood in his body must’ve rushed away from his head.
Away from which head? Hmm?
ehe I have baited you for this response.
Reel in the line you fool! Before he gets away!
I’ve become fairly known for the ‘which head’ joke, haven’t I? Heh.
Clearly, you are a master baiter.
By way of cunning linguistics.
It’s comments like these that make me love the commenters on this site.
Only as a friend, mind you.
Aww! Tease!
the gravatar fits the comment
WILLIS YOU DICK!
Dotty looks pleased.
If that’s what Walky calls it, I suppose she would be pleased with Willis.
Nice subversion there, of something…?
I’m talking about his penis.
No, it’s Walky’s dick.
(I wanted to play too)
Not sure how I feel about her problem-solving strategy.
Unrelated, but I hear Dotty’s voice as Fionna from Adventure Time with Fionna and Cake. Sometimes that gets weird.
DAMN YOU FOR PUTTING THAT IN MY HEAD!
You’re welcome. Now remember: “My breasts, Walky. Touch them.”
:[ I said this in Faz
.Now I’m the one who’s squicked out.
The circle is now complete.
… YES. VERY YES.
Now I want to write a selfcest Adventure Time fanfic… Well, another one.
Ice King’s is the best. No comparison.
But it’s not selfcest.
… Incest to the extremes.
What about if it was Ice King/Spongebob?
That’s nightmare inducing, but I’m fairly certain that it is somewhere in the confines of this sinful place called the internet. It’s like Sodom in some ways.
… Sodom: The ORIGINAL Pound-Town
Nooooooooooo
That’s more disturbing than my gravatar
NOTHING is more disturbing than your avatar, though it is a close second.
Which means there is an epic fanfic to be written about that image! Off to google docs!
About your avatar or DottyxFionna/FionnaxWalky/DottyxFionnaxWalky word porn/lady porn?
Can’t it be all those things?
At the same time? That would turn it from erotica to creepypasta disturbingly quickly.
About my avatar, since the more disturbing something is, the better a fanfic it makes
You’re thinking of either creepypasta or slashfic.
Romantic Slashypasta? I feel like we are getting somewhere with all this
… Now that’s just wrong. All kinds of wrong.
Especially since there’s a BEN section of Fanfiction.net. I’ve seen some in the romance category, but I’ve yet to build the courage to delve in. Just brings nightmares.
That was educational
Seems rather anticlimactic…
Well, Walky, for one, didn’t get a climax out of that storyline…
Walky seems rather blue about it.
Yeah, what a limp way to end an argument.
(Sorry, I’m reaching with that one).
Dotty was reaching for it too.
Walky’s officially lucky. Only women are able to pull that card usually… And yet she still wins.
Well whatever since walky is about to do some pull outs himself.
That implies it’s hidden somewhere to be pulled out of. Instead, he’s got the rub.
Actually, she wasn’t reaching for it, which is the entire problem in itself. So does this mean that Walky or Dorothy got a head?
Tease!
Dorothy, close that door! There’s a draft!
Actually, that’s a shaft.
I can’t wait for Joyce to barge in without knocking.
Or Mike to show up with a camera.
or Joe to show up wearing the same outfit as Walky
… His birthday suit?
That’s enough shipping for one night, I think.
Enough is never enough.
Yotomoe: Everything is so embarrassing when you show up in the same outfit. Especially when the other person wears it better.
Luke: Don’t explain the joke.
I didn’t explain the joke… I was wondering why Joe would be wearing Walky’s birthday suit.
I like the way you think, dotty. I like the way you think.
Now you’re just doin’ this on purpose. Though, I kinda gotta give it to you. You earned the creepster avatar.
Everything you say with that avatar is amazing.
Well, that escalated quickly.
you said that yesterday. stoppit.
Things keep escalating quickly!
Well, that de-escalated quickly. There, you happy?
no. you need to do a dance while saying it.
Do a little dance!
Make a little l-
oh, never mind. Next time, Walky.
I was going for GIR, but that works too, I guess.
You were the turkey all along!
That ELEVATED quickly.
I didn’t think anything would happen since she said she’d be back in a few minutes. I hope Dorothy learned an important lesson and it’s what’s underneath that counts.
Well, I can’t speak for Walky, but I know that sometimes, 4-5 minutes is all it really takes.
She’s certainly eating the eye candy.
Caramel eye candy, even.
Dat eyecandy. Her eyes are focused a bit low on his body too. *groucho eyebrow waggle*
Best grav for that comment.
Dat smile.
WHAT?? You can’t leave a guy hanging like that!
heh heh… hanging…
You’ll give him an aneurysm.
or an euphemism.
COCK TEASE!
Bet she just walked off with the pajama jeans and is planning to burn them.
Well, some people like to wear pajama pants and some people just want to watch the pants burn.
Next week, Walky storms into her dorm wrecking things and yelling “WHERE ARE THEY!?” In a gruff, raspy voice.
“Walky, I swear to God I don’t have them-” “SWEAR TO MEEEEEEE”
Wait…I thought Sal was Batman, not Walky?
Runs in the family.
Without any pants on. Maybe that was her plan all along…
Pants burning party time? Pants burning party time.
So Dorothy wants to reassert that she’s the one in charge in their relationship? …I mean… if a guy ever did this to a girl, I think she’d be seriously pissed. Am I being crazy here?
I can easily see Joe doing this to a woman and it still being awesome. Except it sorta breaks because I’d imagine Joe WOULD sleep with them. Why waste naked people?
I’m rather hoping that Walky’s pissed after this myself.
This is… actually pretty seriously not cool.
as long as he’s not pissing. that’d get messy
thank you. Its kinda humiliating to just expose yourself on command and then get nothing for it.
Maybe he enjoys the humiliation?
Wouldn’t’ve pegged Walky as a masochist. Then again, I wouldn’t’ve pegged Dotty as a sadist, either. Hm.
…Actually that second one isn’t really that much of a stretch. And this is coming from someone who has overall liked and at least understood Dorothy’s side during this comic.
Fair point.
I doubt Walky’s into this, but even if she were to magically hit on a kink of his, she didn’t first get his permission to tease/humiliate him. Not cool at all.
ohwait, rereading the comic, it’s not necessarily a “haha, I have the power now I humiliate you” ploy. She could be just saying that his hawtsome bod totally outweighs their previous disagreement about clothes. That’s probably how she meant it, isn’t it. Bedtime for me.
Yeah, that’s how she meant it… and it’s still 100% totally not ok.
Not to mention that she’s still the one that owes him an apology.
How dare she look at his penis without fucking it.
Oh man, this is the best Gender Studies class ever.
maybe there is just some chemistry I’m not seeing here. To me, it reminded me of two situations, one personal and of a friend’s, where one party was asked to strip down and then just left standing. it was humiliating to an extent, because despite compliments, it proved to be more of mind-fucking power play. I guess thats not whats going on here and it was meant to be more fun.
No, how dare she decide that the issue at hand WHICH SHE STILL OWES HIM A PROPER APOLOGY FOR should be solved by “take your pants of so you get distracted”. Don’t try and make this a gender or sex issue, man, because saying that she should have slept with him is the OPPOSITE of what I’m suggesting… though even that would be better than her “Look, I have power over you. Now I leave.” move she’s pulling here.
I’m glad someone else was bothered by this too.
I’ve had it done to me as a tease/joke and I wasn’t particularly pissed. Depends on the dynamic. They’ve got a relationship, if a simple one, built on fun and smoochies. He may be frustrated, but I doubt he’d be ANGRY that she complimented his sweet bod.
He’ll just be jealous he didn’t get to return the favor.
He just dumped her over being controlling.
Doesn’t seem like the dynamic to make that ok.
Damn, Dorothy. You doing anything later tonight?
Just Walky.
DAMMIT!
The gravatar is shiptastic.
To be honest, Walky teased the whole relationship, this is only fair.
Did he?
Dorothy’s pretty good at the “revenge” thing
walky must be hung like lord flasheart.
Woof!
And that Danny grav is really creepy when paired with your comment.
Danny just likes to watch.
I love Dorothy’s bizarre smiley face.
Seeing his Mr Happy makes her happy.
Does it make her happy in the pants?
Yes.
The proper term is “Mr. Elephant”
I feel like that gravvie is either Faz or Walky, and both of those situations are hilarious.
Shit, I just started a new ship, haven’t I? FORGIVE ME NINJA RICK!
this gravi is me, silly.
… I stand by my statement.
Walky is caramel. I am clearly chocoloate.
Milk chocolate.
the best kind
Caramel chocolate? Chocolate-covered caramel? Ooh, caramel-covered chocolate!
Happiness is a caramel penis.
As opposed to a warm puppy.
I’m more of a fan of cats. I would make this joke more obvious, but I don’t want to risk the chance of this post being deleted.
So, Dorothy’s willing to forego the sloppy appearance of his clothes because she likes what she sees “underneath the facade” Good for you Dorothy!
Of course, I mean the facade that he’s an idiot.
And by underneath the facade you mean his delicious caramel abs
Underneath those are his delicious ribs, best served hot. I mea-
Walkys are friends…not food.
His ribs are under his abs? Holy shit, someone get this kid to a doctor!
Caramel is known to melt when things get hot.
I lol’ed so hard at this…
A note, she forgot about the argument, because she was sleepy, and full. Of Beefcake! *snickers*
Not yet. *wink*
Well that was (sort of) unexpected.
I feel sorry for Walky missing out on makeup sex, but not too sorry since he broke up with a girl over pajama pants. On the other hand, come on Dorothy. If you want to patch things up at least throw a dog a bone. Heh.
As far as we know, they haven’t had sex yet. So you really think it would be smart to make their first sexing part of a make-up from a break-up? (Hey, that rhymes!)
Nah, Dorothy is playing it well. Praise him, make the argument moot, and tease him for later when things aren’t so complicated.
…Monkey Master is the name of Walky’s penis, I suppose?
Too easy.
…and also hints at bestiality.
Well, I’m not happy.
Not because there was no sexing. It’s probably too early in the relationship for that.
But because what was a really cute relationship is starting to take a turn for the ugly. Walky is being forced into the role of a doormat. Dorothy’s actions are surprisingly uncool. And fuck what Joyce just did.
Bleh, bleh, and bleh.
Agree. I am not too happy with any of this. I seriously don’t understand how Dorothy thinks this is okay.
She reasserted her control freak dominance mojo so all is right with her world. Walky on the other hand, what happened man? We were so proud of you standing up to the she beast. What happened?
Joyce scared him. That’s what happened.
And “she beast”? That’s deeply unfair. Dorothy was overreacting during the original breakup, but she wasn’t being an evil bongo from Hell. NOW, however, she’s talking the easy way out. Boo.
Joyce scared him into taking Dorothy back which frankly wasn’t too terrible given that Dorothy seemed to have a flicker of remorse/understanding regarding the free will of others just a couple strips ago. If she had learned something from her earlier “change how you dress or else” bullshit episode it would be one thing but they’ve been back together for a grand total of MAYBE two minutes and she’s playing stupid power games once more to prove she’s in charge. In my opinion that pretty much defines she-beast.
And Walky being afraid of Joyce has NOTHING to do with him caving in here. I reiterate, “what happened to the Walky I respected?”
Okay, that was…unexpected.
Gotta admit though, it’s an effective way to get over a funk.
Ugh… Dorothy is not worthy of him. The more I see of her, the more I can’t stand her… I hope, even though it won’t happen, that Joyce and Walky end up together again. It would prove, no matter what universe they’re in, they are mean’t to be… and it is true.
Hell, almost any member of the cast, of either gender, would be better…
Aaaaaamd this is why women win most arguements
Tomorrow, Joyce comes back into the room and sees naked Walky, thus validating all of us who ship Joyce and Walky.
…wait.
Walky you hussie! Have some self-respect!
Dangit Dorothy, you do not just order a man to remove his clothes and then walk away! Tease! TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!
Walky sure knows how to obey. Of course if I was in his shoes I would too.
Is this Dorothy’s revenge?
Will she turn around and finish the job?
If not, Walky can always go back to the porn that was on his computer before she came over right?
5 seconds later- “Wait, does that mean I can put them back on now? Hello? Dorothy?”
50 minutes later: Mike walks in to see Walky at his laptop wearing tops but no bottoms.
I guess Dorothy wears the pants in this relationship.
Bah, Dear Walkie: I wouldn’t put up with that =/
Dorothy is an evil genius. And Walky is her man/boy plaything.
OK, Dorothy has become my favorite character as of now.
Yes, in real life this would be pretty uncool, but in the fictional context it’s funny.
Well, not in favor of Walky playing the role of the doormat and in this case being straight up objectified just because he stood up for himself.
But … I am liking the subtle Scrubs reference. I believe it was the second episode back before Carla and Turk were dating. She asks him to strip (implying that they were about to have sex in the on call room) and then just gives him the thumbs up and goes back to work. It worked there in context … here, it’s just mean.
Seriously, if you ever want to figure out if something is fair, swap the genders. Imagine if Dorothy broke up with Walky because he said she dressed too “fancy”. Walky tells Mike who then threatens Dorothy to take Walky back, only for Walky to then tell her to strip and after giving her the once over leaves after saying, “our argument is over.”
Sounds like stupid bullshit yes?
That “swap the genders” thing is always bullshit. It’s as bullshit as “reverse racism.” It presumes a false equivalency. Guys are bigger, stronger, and still run society. Our actions towards women will always have different connotations than the reverse. Merely swapping genders in a situation ignores the factors that actually make it different in the first place. Now, if you just grew Dorothy six inches taller, added seventy pounds, and they lived in a world where Walky’s gender was constantly judged for being a “vagina-tease” or something like that — you know, a place where there’s some Law that if you see someone’s genitals you’re honorbound to fuck them, and if you don’t you’re a horrible jerk…
Then, yes. THAT would be stupid bullshit.
^this.
Although I sort of agree that the situation would be a worse without keeping the complex dynamics in mind. A guy telling a girl he made out with and had a fight with to strip, giving her a once-over, and saying “Okay, we’re square now” is a little fucked up. Like “show your boobs and I’ll forgive you.” It only works in this situation because Dorothy is generally dominant AND she’s female.
That’s true, but gender not withstanding, going up to someone and saying “strip for my amusement” is kinda not cool – depending on the circumstances. That being said it’s not as though Walky’s ever had an issue with standing up to her and he did go along with it.
Dorothy did not “go up to someone.” Walky is someone she has dated and let touch her goods.
I meant that there was really little context for their speaking at that time. Wasn’t someone random but it’s not as though they just started chatting.
You know, Willis, just because it’d be WORSE if the genders were swapped doesn’t make it ok this way.
Joyce punching people because they don’t act according to her view of what’s proper etiquette. Worse if she were a guy? Yes. Ok because she’s a girl? No.
I agree with Matt in the sense that if just the genders were reversed our reaction would be different. I also agree with Willis about the false equivalency.
My question is this: Assuming perfect gender equality which reaction would be right? The one where we kinda find the situation funny or the one where we get up in arms about objectification? Or in perfect equivalence would the reaction be 50-50?
Score one for the Caramel Boy!
Although it is kind of appalling seeing people spin around and say “Dorothy, finish the job!” What, is Walky a ninja, now?
WILLIS,
BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE A TUMBLR (you restrict your “ask me” section to tumblrers only) AND CANNOT FIND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, THIS IS WHERE I HAVE TO SAY…
YOU ARE A BEAUTIFUL HUMAN BEING.
This is primarily due to this:
http://imgur.com/dS4JY
that is all.
Well, okay. Dorothy is a dick who likes humiliating people to assert her dominance. That’s…charming.
Forget Walky’s very reasonable dumping of her for spazzing out over pajama jeans. He should very, very definitely dump her over this.
It may be a little too early for that but I am interested in knowing what Dorothy’s motivation for this was. If it is just to reassure her control over Walky in the relationship then yeah that’d be a little messed up. But Imma wait a little longer before I call judgement one way or another.
Her motivation was that she wanted to see her boyfriend naked. You guys are NUTS.
I suspected as much, but this is still a major “not cool” moment for Dorothy and Joyce (especially Joyce). Bullying people into relationships will always be wrong, and going along with it is not OK.
Okay that’s where my disconnect laid. I didn’t think Walky’s ‘s Joyce-influenced apology took as them getting back together.
And yeah I probably am nuts commenting on the morals and such of fictional characters. I’ve accepted that much.
If Walky didn’t want to get back together with Dorothy, he woulda told Joyce to fuck off, like basically always.
Do you REALLY feel this is how the past week’s worth of comics come across?
I mean, OK, I can totally believe that Walky regretted the breakup. Scary-faced Joyce screaming at him that he’s not worthy and doesn’t have the right to break up with someone better than him? Isn’t good conditions for making up. There is no way for it not to come across as “Walky is not permitted agency in his relationships”.
Willis, I get that’s what you’re trying to go for, but it REALLY didn’t work. At all.
I still feel uncomfortable about this. It says that the fact she’s likes his body makes up for their argument. First of all that ignores the argument all together. There are compromises they need to work out and they just totally avoided them.
Secondly,Dorothy right now said. Ok, I remember why I wanted this relationship originally.
It seems like she’s ignoring his personality, and is just there for the sex. That may not be what she’s saying, it just tends to look like it.
So please excuse my squick.
Well put.
Agreed. It would be one thing if Walky were the one seeing Dorothy naked and saying, “I forget what we were arguing about,” but she was the one who started it. He was the one who dumped her, but only because Dorothy said he didn’t dress to her liking. You can’t just say, “Now that I’ve seen you naked, I’m forgiven.”
She was being playful. There’s nothing mean about it.
I agree. I really don’t get what everybody’s complaining about. This is not a dominance thing, she just wanted to see him naked. And maybe show him that breaking up over a pair of pants was really dumb, as she didn’t really care that much in the first place – even if she’d asked him not to wear pajamas in public.
‘Atl do, pig. ‘Atl do.
Oh my GOD. That was amazing. Why are people butthurt :c
I assumed she was checking up on those manly man nipples. Planning her return to the man-nipple-nibbling game.
Haha, I don’t see why everyone is hating Dorothy for this. To me, it looks like she just wanted to see some sexy, to kind of lighten the mood a bit and get a good view. Also, Walky didn’t seem to mind. :3
Well-played Dorothy, well-played.
Anyone notice that the actual issue hasn’t been resolved? She still has issues with the fact that he’s a hell of a lot more casual than she is and he’s still gonna want to be autonomous.
Mmm. On the one hand, yes, neither Joyce nor Dorothy can actually do anything to Walky, and if he didn’t want to get back together with Dorothy he didn’t have to, and if he didn’t want to take off his clothes he didn’t have to do that either. Totally granted.
The thing is, though, he looks unhappy in panel three. Embarrassed, at the very least. So it’s hard for me to feel happy about this, when what I’m seeing is that Dorothy made him uncomfortable for her own enjoyment and then promptly wandered off once she was satisfied. I’m not saying she should have had sex with him; I’m saying I’d feel better about this conversation if she hadn’t been the only one smiling when she walked out.
Having read all these speculations, and ‘what if..genders were same’…etc. etc. Also, read and reflected on the various Dorothy is a bongo, Walky is a doormat….
I just wondered how I’d personally feel if a guy burst into my dorm room, insisted I makeup with a guy who’d dumped me, and then if I were crazy enough to allow said guy into my room and he ‘ordered’ me to strip, gave me the thumbs up, and left…what would I do?
I’d buy a new lock for my dorm room, and seriously avoid both of them in the future.
“…You guys forgot I was in here, didn’t you?”
“AGH! MIKE!”
I will never like dorothy. I find shenanigans very entertaining about this storyarch, but I still don’t like her.
Poor poor Walky is doomed.
Wow so feeling bad for Walky, talk about disrespect back and forth.
Your mouth says “or else”, but your eyes say “please”. I hope Dina is taking notes.
Oh you evil bongo, leavin’ a guy standin’ at attention like that…
Antigravity eyebrows deployed.