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September 20, 2023

Oath

by David M Willis on August 24, 2017 at 12:01 am
  • 04 - The 'Do' List

└ Tags: joe, mary, peter, rachel

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  1. King Daniel
    King Daniel
    August 24, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

    Dating roulette: better or worse than grav roulette?

    • Sev
      Sev
      August 24, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

      Speaking of grav roulette . . .

      • Nobody
        Nobody
        August 24, 2017 at 12:19 am | #

        You have our sympathy

        • Clif
          Clif
          August 24, 2017 at 10:52 am | #

          But not as much as if you had gotten Mary or Rachael.

          • Dragon_Nataku
            Dragon_Nataku
            August 24, 2017 at 11:46 am | #

            Oh no, are there new gravs? Does that mean I’m no longer Marcie?! (yes, I’m only posting to check if my grav changed)

            • Dragon_Nataku
              Dragon_Nataku
              August 24, 2017 at 11:47 am | #

              Ah goddammit of course I get this guy. This might be the one thing that actually makes me “Get a Gravatar” now. ^T__T^

              • SgtWadeyWilson
                SgtWadeyWilson
                August 24, 2017 at 12:48 pm | #

                The good news is Gravatars are fun.

                • truk2
                  truk2
                  August 25, 2017 at 5:10 am | #

                  Or are they

            • Rosstifer
              Rosstifer
              August 25, 2017 at 2:37 am | #

              Oh, dear. Who have I got then?

              • Rosstifer
                Rosstifer
                August 25, 2017 at 2:38 am | #

                Marcie. Sweet.

                • OctopusGardener
                  OctopusGardener
                  August 25, 2017 at 5:53 pm | #

                  Who do I have now?

                • OctopusGardener
                  OctopusGardener
                  August 25, 2017 at 5:55 pm | #

                  I… totally haven’t forgotten this guy, but, purely for the benefit of others, can somebody say who this is?

                • Lingo
                  Lingo
                  August 27, 2017 at 8:56 pm | #

                  Sayid.
                  …He says as an excuse to check his own avatar….

      • Mr D
        Mr D
        August 24, 2017 at 1:45 am | #

        Change the capitalization of your Email to change your gravatar.
        Like, say, your Email is sev@sev.sev
        Capitalize it sEv@sev.sev
        That’ll force the grav-roulette to spin again.

        • Mr D
          Mr D
          August 24, 2017 at 1:47 am | #

          Like this

          • Mr D
            Mr D
            August 24, 2017 at 1:48 am | #

            Or this.
            All you gotta do is change which letters in your email are capitalized and Voila.

            • Blackbird
              Blackbird
              August 24, 2017 at 2:32 am | #

              That’s a great tip. Thank you.

              • Booyahman
                Booyahman
                August 24, 2017 at 12:54 pm | #

                Don’t mind me, just grav-checkin’

                • Booyahman
                  Booyahman
                  August 24, 2017 at 12:54 pm | #

                  Yup, still got it

                • Mr. Random
                  Mr. Random
                  August 24, 2017 at 11:03 pm | #

                  I wonder who I got.

        • ANeM
          ANeM
          August 24, 2017 at 2:42 am | #

          Alternatively go back a decade and set a custom avatar on this new fangled “gravatar” thing and then promptly forget how to change it. Thereby completely sidestepping the whole gravroulette problem entirely.

        • bluebirdy
          bluebirdy
          August 24, 2017 at 3:47 pm | #

          Ok plz let this work this is the first time I’ve seen it explained

          • bluebirdy
            bluebirdy
            August 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm | #

            YASSSS ALL SHALL BOW FOR THE MIGHTY GALASSO!!!

            • 4shizzle
              4shizzle
              September 10, 2017 at 1:29 am | #

              Do you get grav roulette if you changed your Name but kept the email the same?

      • Terry
        Terry
        August 24, 2017 at 9:41 am | #

        HAHA Even the avatar looks upset to be Peter

    • Kinoko
      Kinoko
      August 24, 2017 at 3:01 am | #

      Grav roulette, go!

      • Kinoko
        Kinoko
        August 24, 2017 at 3:02 am | #

        ?

        • Kinoko
          Kinoko
          August 24, 2017 at 3:03 am | #

          Yes. Good.

          • Zee
            Zee
            August 25, 2017 at 10:54 am | #

            *throws the grav dice*

            • Zee
              Zee
              August 25, 2017 at 10:54 am | #

              Yessssss

      • Kryss LaBryn
        Kryss LaBryn
        August 24, 2017 at 7:10 am | #

        Go go gadguette!

        • Kryss LaBryn
          Kryss LaBryn
          August 24, 2017 at 7:11 am | #

          Sierra! Yeah, that’s pretty good. I can live with that. 😀

          • Emperor Norton II
            Emperor Norton II
            August 24, 2017 at 1:59 pm | #

            As someone who got Sierra right away, I must agree with you. She’s pretty good!

        • Khno
          Khno
          August 31, 2017 at 2:44 pm | #

          gaguette?

      • jpic89
        jpic89
        August 24, 2017 at 9:16 am | #

        Big money, big money, no Mary, no Mary, STOP!

        • jpic89
          jpic89
          August 24, 2017 at 9:16 am | #

          Again!

          • jpic89
            jpic89
            August 24, 2017 at 9:17 am | #

            Once more.

            • jpic89
              jpic89
              August 24, 2017 at 9:17 am | #

              I’ll take it! lol

        • Roborat
          Roborat
          August 24, 2017 at 2:29 pm | #

          I find that wall of Sierras very disturbing.

      • kelticat
        kelticat
        August 24, 2017 at 9:34 pm | #

        Hmm?

      • weirderthanweird
        weirderthanweird
        August 25, 2017 at 10:32 am | #

        I’m feeling lucky!

        • weirderthanweird
          weirderthanweird
          August 25, 2017 at 10:33 am | #

          Who is this?

          • Lingo
            Lingo
            August 27, 2017 at 8:58 pm | #

            One of the guys from the LBGTQ meeting, can’t remember his name.

    • NelC
      NelC
      August 24, 2017 at 10:31 am | #

      Less messy than gravy roulette.

      • Emily
        Emily
        August 24, 2017 at 11:19 am | #

        I’d love some gravy

      • Zer0
        Zer0
        August 25, 2017 at 12:58 am | #

        Or Russian roulette for that matter.

        • Zer0
          Zer0
          August 25, 2017 at 12:59 am | #

          Ew. maybe I’ll try that again.

    • Moose
      Moose
      August 24, 2017 at 2:50 pm | #

      I definitely lucked out this time. Went from one of Sarah’s former friends (can’t remember her name) to a badass biker chick/former convict.

  2. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    August 24, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

    petition to create a new level of Hell just for those two

    I’m sure there are others who’d fit there but they can have it

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      August 24, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

      I think the demons would be happy to let them have a private area, since that means they don’t have to watch these two.

      • Andrew_C
        Andrew_C
        August 24, 2017 at 1:37 pm | #

        Talking of couples who would make demons uncomfortable, is Wen going to show up in DOA, I wonder?

    • Doribi
      Doribi
      August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      But there is already a circle, well a part of a circle anyways (is way too big of a geek at times) devoted to Hypocrites, maybe we can take a part of that circle and have them crucified there on opposite sides, so they are marched over by the legions of hypocrites forever, and since they are separated it is even more torture as they can never be together again, oh and there is the extra punishment of having to share that Bolgia (the name for the part I am refering to in Italian) with the Pharisee that pushed the crucifixion of Jesus. (Sorry, had to channel my inner classic literature geek)

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        August 24, 2017 at 12:32 am | #

        Praying isn’t the only thing Mary and Peter are doing on the street corners as the hypocrites do.

    • KSClaw
      KSClaw
      August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

      Isn’t there a special circle of hell for those two morons according to Dante’s inferno?

      • Doribi
        Doribi
        August 24, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

        again, I think they would go to the Bolgia for hypocrites, either as being chained and wearing the gilded lead robes or crucified on opposing sides, still forced to wear the robes and being trodden on for eternity.

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      August 24, 2017 at 12:37 am | #

      She should go to a place that seems just like Heaven is supposed to be, except that all the wrong people are there and none of the right ones are.

      • Kamino Neko
        Kamino Neko
        August 24, 2017 at 2:13 am | #

        So…actual Heaven, then.

        • ditrysia
          ditrysia
          August 24, 2017 at 2:52 am | #

          That falls nicely into my theory that Heaven and Hell are actually the same place, but which one it is depends on the person. So Heaven for Carla would be Hell for Mary and so on.

          • Rowen Morland
            Rowen Morland
            August 24, 2017 at 4:14 am | #

            George Bernard Shaw’s play, Man and Superman had a good bit about that. It was quite a fun read, especially if you considered it a product of its time.

          • RoseDragon71
            RoseDragon71
            August 24, 2017 at 7:15 am | #

            This is the first time I’ve ever felt the need to comment… Your theory about heaven and hell being the same place is kind of how I feel about being on Earth. It’s all in what you make of it…

          • Kryss LaBryn
            Kryss LaBryn
            August 24, 2017 at 7:17 am | #

            I am reminded of a story I came across somewhere or other:

            A guy is being taken on a tour of Hell, and there’s a bunch of people sitting at a table. Now, the table is full of food (sushi); but the people around it are skinny to the point of starvation and grumpy as hell, and the guy asks, “Why is everyone so hungry when there’s all that food there?”

            And someone replies, “Because you can only pick the food up with the chopsticks, and all the chopsticks are five feet long! So none of us can eat anything!”

            So next the guy is taken up to Heaven, where, same thing, table full of sushi; but here, everyone is happy and laughing and well-fed.

            “Oh, so the chopsticks are the normal length here, then?” he asks.

            “No,” someone replies, “Here in Heaven the chopsticks are still five feet long. The difference is, here we feed each other.”

            • Socks
              Socks
              August 24, 2017 at 9:26 am | #

              Huh, I heard that story but people’s elbows were locked, and this was coming from temple. Which made me question why the people didn’t just like, shove their faces into their plates, and also, why this Rabbi who told us jews don’t believe in hell was trying to tell us some story about hell. My elementary school kind of sucked.

            • durhamtyler
              durhamtyler
              August 26, 2017 at 3:15 am | #

              I Heard a version with foot long spoons in One Hundred Years of Solitude

          • Ed Rhodes
            Ed Rhodes
            August 24, 2017 at 7:20 am | #

            They did that on “Night Gallery” where a hippie (John Astin, of all people) is condemned to Hell as a hypocrite. Hell, for him, is a room with a farmer discussing crop futures, a couple showing their slide show of their trip to Hawaii and a stack of 45s of big band music. BAD big band music. When he finally get Satan’s attention, Satan tells him; “This is it. This is what you get for eternity. You know what the funny part is? This exact room is ‘Up There.’ “

            • NelC
              NelC
              August 24, 2017 at 10:37 am | #

              That one haunted me for years. Not so much the circumstances, as it got me thinking about eternity. I think it was being locked in anywhere forever that really got to me.

            • Sean Murphy
              Sean Murphy
              August 24, 2017 at 12:12 pm | #

              “Hell is other people”
              No Exit, 1944, Jean-Paul Sartre

          • Stella
            Stella
            August 25, 2017 at 4:11 am | #

            Anyone else watch “The Good Place”? Gotten to the end of Season 1 yet?

      • Bruceski
        Bruceski
        August 24, 2017 at 12:05 pm | #

        You might like The Good Place.

      • Deanatay
        Deanatay
        August 24, 2017 at 3:16 pm | #

        So, like Heaven, except all the milk containers in the fridge are empty?

    • Aeron
      Aeron
      August 24, 2017 at 3:18 am | #

      I did some digging. It turns out Satan has a Patreon.

  3. AnvilPro
    AnvilPro
    August 24, 2017 at 12:03 am | #

    I smell a double date!

    • AnvilPro
      AnvilPro
      August 24, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

      And what is this new icon?

      • Sergei Andropov
        Sergei Andropov
        August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

        Maybe Bloodrose will finally make an appearance?

        • Sergei Andropov
          Sergei Andropov
          August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

          In fact, maybe she’s already in this very strip, just barely off-panel.

      • Wheelpath
        Wheelpath
        August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

        Yeah, Willis? Ours aren’t on that list you posted to twitter..

      • ellernock
        ellernock
        August 24, 2017 at 4:16 am | #

        image address indicates it’s bloodrose. and god, i wonder who i’m gonna get. i got used to walky.

        • ellernock
          ellernock
          August 24, 2017 at 4:17 am | #

          well it could be? worse? let’s try the capitals trick.

          • Benjamin Geiger
            Benjamin Geiger
            August 24, 2017 at 11:03 am | #

            Eh. Was Mary last time. Let’s see what I get now.

    • Sev
      Sev
      August 24, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

      Well that’s a horrifying thought.

      I can’t even bring myself to imagine going on a double date with Mary and Peter.

      • Sev
        Sev
        August 24, 2017 at 12:09 am | #

        That’d be almost as bad as getting Peter in the grav roulette =/

        (At least that facial expression is perfect for like, every comment).

  4. tim gueguen
    tim gueguen
    August 24, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

    I wonder if Peter is legitimately an awful Christian like Mary, or if he’s playing her.

    • tim gueguen
      tim gueguen
      August 24, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

      And I see the bossman has introduced some new avatars.

    • Ravian
      Ravian
      August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

      Given that Joe seems to recognize him, I think he may just be Male Mary, but you never know

    • Cephalo the Pod
      Cephalo the Pod
      August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

      I’ve said it before, if Peter & Mary are based off of a couple from Willis’s own college residence wing, Peter might be faking it right now but eventually convert for real.

      • Puckish Rogue
        Puckish Rogue
        August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

        We just need Paul to show up and its all on

        • Eyebrow
          Eyebrow
          August 24, 2017 at 10:07 am | #

          I hear his last name completes the trio. It’s Peter Paul, and Mary.

          • Emperor Norton II
            Emperor Norton II
            August 24, 2017 at 12:25 pm | #

            And then Peter and Paul have to remember the Golden Rule.

      • bryy
        bryy
        August 24, 2017 at 1:49 am | #

        If Peter goes from Fake Christlover with a shitty attitude to Real Christlover with a good attitude, that would be so sweet.

    • Smiling Cat
      Smiling Cat
      August 24, 2017 at 12:16 am | #

      Why not both?

      • Puckish Rogue
        Puckish Rogue
        August 24, 2017 at 12:24 am | #

        Why not Zoidberg? (Sorry)

  5. Wheelpath
    Wheelpath
    August 24, 2017 at 12:04 am | #

    Good old ship clashing with garbage trash garbage trash garbage.

  6. Stu
    Stu
    August 24, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    At a guess – Mary’s feeling guilty about being as harsh as she was on Ruth. Maybe not TOO guilty, but just a bit.

    • Cephalo the Pod
      Cephalo the Pod
      August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

      You mean Rachel, right?

    • showler
      showler
      August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

      I will assume you meant Rachel.

    • Stu
      Stu
      August 24, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

      Er yeah, Rachel. I think Mary’s incapable of guilt.

  7. AkerSama
    AkerSama
    August 24, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    That 5th panel makes me wonder if Rachel was applying that same “redemption isn’t real” speech to herself as well.

    • Mara
      Mara
      August 24, 2017 at 1:56 am | #

      I had the same thought. What’s weighing down her soul?

      • Pablo360
        Pablo360
        August 24, 2017 at 7:40 pm | #

        Besides that her speech made Mary happy, that is.

  8. Shadowypenguin
    Shadowypenguin
    August 24, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    So Joe recognizes Peter. He is the male Mary after all.

  9. Fart Captor
    Fart Captor
    August 24, 2017 at 12:05 am | #

    That’s the wrong hand, Joe! >:[

    Otherwise, very well done

    • David M Willis
      David M Willis
      August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

      pretty dang sure that’s his right hand

      • David M Willis
        David M Willis
        August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

        (and, yes, joe’s left-handed, but it’s still done with the right hand, regardless, I CHECKED)

        • Fart Captor
          Fart Captor
          August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

          Oh, derp. I was 100% certain it was supposed to be with the left, but you’re right. I must’ve been thinking of the handshake

          • Gesc
            Gesc
            August 24, 2017 at 1:23 am | #

            Scouts use their left hand for handshakes, as it’s the hand closer to the heart.

            • Zer0
              Zer0
              August 25, 2017 at 1:09 am | #

              Do they only shake with the left for official scout business or is that something that sticks with people? Only asking because I have never actually seen anyone shake hands with their left.

      • Lexi
        Lexi
        August 24, 2017 at 12:09 am | #

        Scout oaths are done with the left hand, always. For both Boy Scout and Girl Scout movements.

        • David M Willis
          David M Willis
          August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

          are you sure

          https://www.google.com/search?q=scout+oath+hand&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwja_Zv5gO_VAhVJWCYKHaCTAkAQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950

          • David M Willis
            David M Willis
            August 24, 2017 at 12:16 am | #

            there’s just an awful lot of scouts here using the right hand, you see

            • Ryek Hvek
              Ryek Hvek
              August 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

              that’s from the Mirror Universe, where I was a Scout

              • Bagge
                Bagge
                August 24, 2017 at 1:03 am | #

                Instead of helping old ladies cross the street you helped them cross the street the other way

                • OnyxIdol
                  OnyxIdol
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:15 am | #

                  No no, they helped roads cross young men.

                • Bagge
                  Bagge
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:57 am | #

                  How many roads?

                • King Daniel
                  King Daniel
                  August 24, 2017 at 4:21 pm | #

                  Why did the road cross the chicken? So it could stay on the same side.

              • 3-I
                3-I
                August 24, 2017 at 5:51 am | #

                Mirror Scout is somewhere between Bloodpact Scout and Eternal Scout, right?

                • Bagge
                  Bagge
                  August 24, 2017 at 7:10 am | #

                  Welcome to Night Vale.

            • Kinoko
              Kinoko
              August 24, 2017 at 3:09 am | #

              Right hand is correct for the three-finger salute!

              Source: was a Girl Guide in the UK for quite a few years. It’s the same internationally, except for the Cub Scouts, who get a two-finger salute.
              Either way, it’s always the right hand.

              • vlademir1
                vlademir1
                August 24, 2017 at 11:03 pm | #

                The two finger Cub Scout salute isn’t absolutely universal. Some packs, the one I was in for example, allow the three finger as well. That’s typically a thing where the given pack has close direct ties with a specific boyscout troop.

          • Lexi
            Lexi
            August 25, 2017 at 12:54 am | #

            And this is where my brain apparently backfires on me. My scouting and guiding troops always empathized using the left hand to *shake* which apparently crossed wires in my brain as the hand you use to salute.

            Probably doesn’t help that I can be really bad at telling left from right.

        • vlademir1
          vlademir1
          August 24, 2017 at 12:35 am | #

          Sorry, but unless that’s changed since I was part of Scouts in the ’80s it’s right hand (just dug out my old handbooks to check). Wikipedia agrees on this subject, which normally I wouldn’t take as significant but I know most of the big Scouting organizations have taken pains to make sure the info there is accurate, as does the plethora of official imagery and various photos associated with the movement which Google image search turns up for both “scout oath” and “scout half salute”.

          That said, I’d doubt Joe was in Scouts anyway, or else his troop was significantly less formal than the one I was part of, because outside the hand issue that is one sloppy salute. Mind you, I live in an area with tons of military and retiree locals so bias and all that.

          • Fart Captor
            Fart Captor
            August 24, 2017 at 12:39 am | #

            Yeah, I so did I. My brain clearly misfired. I even tried it with my left hand and it felt totally wrong.

        • Doom Shepherd
          Doom Shepherd
          August 24, 2017 at 1:30 am | #

          Eagle Scout here – never made the sign with the left hand.

    • Jed!
      Jed!
      August 24, 2017 at 12:34 am | #

      Not a scout, but it’d be weird if it were done with the left anyway, considering the weird stigma in the West about the left hand. Specifically, it’s seen as ungodly, and also associated with witches. In other countries, it’s just because the left hand is the one you clean yourself with.

      • Andy
        Andy
        August 24, 2017 at 1:37 am | #

        It’s understandable, really. The left hand tends to be the more sinister of the two.

        • OnyxIdol
          OnyxIdol
          August 24, 2017 at 1:56 am | #

          Get out.

          • butting
            butting
            August 24, 2017 at 2:43 am | #

            Then there’s the old legionnaires’ marching cadence: “Sinister! Sinister! Sinister, dexter, sinister!”

    • CJ
      CJ
      August 24, 2017 at 3:18 am | #

      Hm, we weren’t into scout’s oaths in Germany, but I distinctly remember that scout’s greeting was with the right hand up and shaking hands with the left.

      (Which I found strange once I learned the left hand was deemed inappropriate for handshakes in cultures not using a water toilet…)

  10. shadowcell
    shadowcell
    August 24, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

    it’s like faz and wen were radicalized

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      August 24, 2017 at 12:09 am | #

      Don’t put the thought of Fundie Faz in my head, I need to get sleep tonight.

      • Aletheia
        Aletheia
        August 24, 2017 at 12:32 am | #

        But Faz is a fundie of the Church of Charts. 😛

        • SgtWadeyWilson
          SgtWadeyWilson
          August 24, 2017 at 12:47 am | #

          “The great Faz even has a chart that shows exactly how much more fundamental the Church of Charts is as compared to all your boring churches.”
          “…what?”

  11. butts
    butts
    August 24, 2017 at 12:06 am | #

    “We all have to live with our mistakes.”

    …between that and her whole thing about Ruth, it sure sounds like Rachel’s got some serious shit we haven’t heard yet.

    • Kas
      Kas
      August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

      Yeah, I’m getting more and more curious what she’s got going on

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      It’s either that or she’s saying, “No, Joe, I’m not forgiving you, because live with your mistakes.” I’m leaning towards it being Rachel’s mistake, but I’m not yet sure.

      • Gwen
        Gwen
        August 24, 2017 at 12:44 am | #

        It might very well be both.

        • Gwen
          Gwen
          August 24, 2017 at 12:44 am | #

          What? Mary? Nooooooo! Time to change my capitalization.

          • JaneDoe
            JaneDoe
            August 24, 2017 at 1:13 am | #

            Yeah, that one’s much better 😛

            Of course, couldn’t really get any worse than Mary…

            (Watch as I also get Mary)

            • JaneDoe
              JaneDoe
              August 24, 2017 at 1:13 am | #

              Yeah, I’m fine with this one 😛

      • Dellaran
        Dellaran
        August 24, 2017 at 1:33 am | #

        From the expression on Rachel’s face, I think she’s talking about her own mistakes.

      • Kryss LaBryn
        Kryss LaBryn
        August 24, 2017 at 7:21 am | #

        I think if she was telling Joe *he* needed to live with *his* mistakes, she’d be looking (glaring?) at him.

        The glance down and to the side seems more reflective to me; I bet you a thousand Internet points that she’s thinking of her own mistakes.

    • Goblin Scribe
      Goblin Scribe
      August 24, 2017 at 2:09 am | #

      Ooh, what mistake do I get to live with?

      • Goblin Scribe
        Goblin Scribe
        August 24, 2017 at 2:10 am | #

        Oh, wow, I got Billie! So cool—she’s one of my favorite characters. I sure lucked out this time.

        • Goblin Scribe
          Goblin Scribe
          August 24, 2017 at 2:12 am | #

          Whoops, I meant to reply to the grav check thread. Sorry to crash this one! At least I got Billie as my avatar, and not some GIANT CHICKEN, because that would be stupid.

          • EvilMidnightLurker
            EvilMidnightLurker
            August 24, 2017 at 2:23 am | #

            Billie’s a chicken I tell ya, a giant chicken!

            • Goblin Scribe
              Goblin Scribe
              August 25, 2017 at 12:59 am | #

              That Lurker’s just nuts! How dare they disrespect Billie in this way!

    • hof1991
      hof1991
      August 24, 2017 at 8:52 am | #

      As a sophomore, she has a full year of what Joe and the gang are two months into. Yes, she has a back story from hell. Just like Sarah. The sunny happy frosh seem like a lifetime ago.

  12. Larkle
    Larkle
    August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

    So, I guess that Peter was the Mary of the boys’ wing.

    • Larkle
      Larkle
      August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

      Oh, I have a new avatar! I can’t remember who she is though… was she one of Raidah’s friends?

      • Sara Hysaro
        Sara Hysaro
        August 24, 2017 at 12:16 am | #

        Nash, according to the image address. Doesn’t seem to have appeared in DoA yet, assuming I didn’t mess up the tags.

        • RacingTurtle
          RacingTurtle
          August 24, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

          Sara wins grav roulette. Danny+Ukulele OTP! 🙂

        • Larkle
          Larkle
          August 25, 2017 at 3:31 pm | #

          Ah, thanks. 🙂

    • BP
      BP
      August 24, 2017 at 7:36 pm | #

      I kind of wonder now if there’s a trans man in the boys’ wing who got bullied by Peter like Carla was by Mary.

      HOW DEEP DOES THE RABBIT HOLE GOOOOO~?

  13. Cheshrin
    Cheshrin
    August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

    Ooh, ooh, what’s my new avatar I gotta know!

    • Cheshrin
      Cheshrin
      August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

      Yeeeeessssssssss I’m Sal now!

    • jeffepp
      jeffepp
      August 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

      Official avatar check thread.

      • wwwhhattt
        wwwhhattt
        August 24, 2017 at 12:40 am | #

        hai

      • Sophran
        Sophran
        August 24, 2017 at 12:43 am | #

        Please be a good facial expression…

        • Sophran
          Sophran
          August 24, 2017 at 12:43 am | #

          ohoho. An improvement in character for sure.

      • Jess
        Jess
        August 24, 2017 at 12:51 am | #

        I wanna see mine!

        • TheGrammarLegionary
          TheGrammarLegionary
          August 24, 2017 at 1:03 am | #

          I was Dina before, hard to improve on that (I know, cliché, but I just love her enthusiasm once she gets onto dinosaurs).

          • TheGrammarLegionary
            TheGrammarLegionary
            August 24, 2017 at 1:04 am | #

            Ooh, but I’m definitely cool with Joyce and her enthusiasm for pretty much everything!

      • Bonnie
        Bonnie
        August 24, 2017 at 1:12 am | #

        Nyello?

      • nobilis
        nobilis
        August 24, 2017 at 1:13 am | #

        Who am I now?

        • nobilis
          nobilis
          August 24, 2017 at 1:25 am | #

          Next try…

          • nobilis
            nobilis
            August 24, 2017 at 1:27 am | #

            And another one …
            I had Joyce for a long time and was happy, but all things must pass.

            • nobilis
              nobilis
              August 24, 2017 at 12:32 pm | #

              No, no, no, I don’t want to be Eric, Joe or Daisy!

      • Dean
        Dean
        August 24, 2017 at 1:13 am | #

        wat I got

        • Dean
          Dean
          August 24, 2017 at 1:14 am | #

          Nice!

      • Chered
        Chered
        August 24, 2017 at 1:44 am | #

        Grav roulette spin spin spin

        Not that I comment but every year or so

      • Xenocide
        Xenocide
        August 24, 2017 at 2:26 am | #

        Who do I get…

        • Xenocide
          Xenocide
          August 24, 2017 at 2:50 am | #

          Eh, could be worse than Meredith, but let’s see….

          • Xenocide
            Xenocide
            August 24, 2017 at 2:52 am | #

            An amusing picture of Sarah, but I’ll probably stick with Meredith

      • Rian
        Rian
        August 24, 2017 at 2:54 am | #

        Hit me with it.

      • Chris Phoenix
        Chris Phoenix
        August 24, 2017 at 3:36 am | #

        Checking… hoping I’m still Dorothy…

        • Chris Phoenix
          Chris Phoenix
          August 24, 2017 at 3:37 am | #

          Oh well, Ruth is cool in some ways too. Let’s see what happens if I capitalize the X…

      • MM
        MM
        August 24, 2017 at 3:48 am | #

        Uh oh.

      • Hilzabub
        Hilzabub
        August 24, 2017 at 7:49 am | #

        I’m just curious what happens if I change the capitalization and already hava a gravatar

      • Bauble
        Bauble
        August 24, 2017 at 12:09 pm | #

        well now i’m curious to see what i have…

      • Paradox
        Paradox
        August 24, 2017 at 12:25 pm | #

        Is that the case? Well how about this!

        • Paradox
          Paradox
          August 24, 2017 at 12:27 pm | #

          We are extremely pleased.

      • LynziGraye
        LynziGraye
        August 24, 2017 at 9:46 pm | #

        Testing for Gravatar…

        • LynziGraye
          LynziGraye
          August 24, 2017 at 9:47 pm | #

          Ryu? Feh.

          • LynziGraye
            LynziGraye
            August 24, 2017 at 9:48 pm | #

            Better, but maybe one more?

            • LynziGraye
              LynziGraye
              August 24, 2017 at 9:49 pm | #

              Perfect!!

      • Kit
        Kit
        August 25, 2017 at 1:26 am | #

        Check

      • Liliet
        Liliet
        August 26, 2017 at 7:45 am | #

        Let’s see…

        • Liliet
          Liliet
          August 26, 2017 at 7:45 am | #

          oh my god please no

          • Liliet
            Liliet
            August 26, 2017 at 7:46 am | #

            oh this one’s nice but I have no idea who this is so let’s try one more time

            • Liliet
              Liliet
              August 26, 2017 at 7:47 am | #

              on one hand this is wonderful on the other I THINK I’LL STICK TO THE STRANGE REDHEAD

    • TheHorseCouncil
      TheHorseCouncil
      August 24, 2017 at 1:36 am | #

      Lets see here……

      • TheHorseCouncil
        TheHorseCouncil
        August 24, 2017 at 1:40 am | #

        Maybe one more time.

        • TheHorseCouncil
          TheHorseCouncil
          August 24, 2017 at 1:42 am | #

          Yes this is good.

          • Minotaur
            Minotaur
            August 24, 2017 at 2:04 am | #

            So does everybody change?

            • Kamino Neko
              Kamino Neko
              August 24, 2017 at 2:17 am | #

              Everybody who doesn’t have a set gravatar…unless the algorithm happens to randomly assign the same one, which is possible, if unlikely.

              • 3-I
                3-I
                August 24, 2017 at 5:53 am | #

                Dagnabbit, and I was hoping for a new chocolate fairy sculpture.

            • Needfuldoer
              Needfuldoer
              August 24, 2017 at 2:22 am | #

              The default generic ones got re-rolled, but if you set one up through the “Get a Gravatar” link you keep it.

              • KingoHrts
                KingoHrts
                August 24, 2017 at 6:22 am | #

                I of course remain a generic playing card. But I was not ready to abdicate anyway.

    • Dusk Rain
      Dusk Rain
      August 24, 2017 at 4:32 am | #

      Ooh am I finally not Joe any more?

      • Dusk Rain
        Dusk Rain
        August 24, 2017 at 4:32 am | #

        Nice but idk who that is.

        • Dusk Rain
          Dusk Rain
          August 24, 2017 at 4:34 am | #

          Adorable. Keep spinning…

          • Dusk Rain
            Dusk Rain
            August 24, 2017 at 4:35 am | #

            I’ll stick with walky unless this is Joyce.

    • AndieStardust
      AndieStardust
      August 24, 2017 at 6:05 am | #

      checking mine!! :0
      I had Ruth before, I think

      • AndieStardust
        AndieStardust
        August 24, 2017 at 6:08 am | #

        Her face foods my worry irl buuuuut I’m curious. change the caps right?

        • AndieStardust
          AndieStardust
          August 24, 2017 at 6:09 am | #

          drat, I meant fits! ugh auto correct/swype =the worst

          • Zer0
            Zer0
            August 25, 2017 at 1:20 am | #

            That autocorrect was just channeling the Walky grav. He was thinking about chicken nuggets when you were typing.

  14. Fox
    Fox
    August 24, 2017 at 12:07 am | #

    Interesting sentiment coming from Rachel given her condemnation of Ruth. Good for Joe, I hope he succeeds. Mary and Peter make me want to bleach my soul to remove the taint of their nauseating self righteousness. Theirbbehavior is so gross.

    • Fox
      Fox
      August 24, 2017 at 12:09 am | #

      *their behavior, stupid tablet keyboard

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      August 24, 2017 at 2:26 am | #

      I don’t think Rachel here is inconsistent with her treatment of Ruth. It’s a softer phrasing, certainly, but seem to me to be the same attitude.

      • Fox
        Fox
        August 25, 2017 at 9:02 pm | #

        Living with them isn’t the same as being eternally punished for them and never being able to change though. Also, if she really holds such harsh views as universal then she’s either as big as Mary on condemnation or she’s projecting, neither of which is healthy.

  15. Rambling Idiot
    Rambling Idiot
    August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    I have a feeling Rachel or someone she knew wasn’t forgiven.

    • Rambling Idiot
      Rambling Idiot
      August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      Actually, judging by her people don’t change thing she may not forgive herself. Also, eww I’m Malaya.

      • Michael Chandra
        Michael Chandra
        August 24, 2017 at 1:32 am | #

        Jealous… I miss her angry bongo face.

  16. Passchendaele
    Passchendaele
    August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    The only question is if Mary’s luck in the dumbiverse will parallel hers in the walkyverse. If so…*evil laugh*

    • Passchendaele
      Passchendaele
      August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

      I’m also apparently Becky now, and I am 100% okay with this.

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        August 24, 2017 at 2:58 am | #

        You are Rad!

    • Nono
      Nono
      August 24, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

      Well we wouldn’t see the ramifications of that for a few in-universe months so…. wait a couple years then.

    • boop
      boop
      August 24, 2017 at 12:37 am | #

      if by that you mean ‘punished for her sin by getting pregnant’ . . um, ew, no. nobody needs a reinforcement of the narrative that ‘only bad girls get pregnant’ or ‘having unmarried sex ought to ‘ruin’ your life’ or any other variant of ‘pregnancy = comeuppance’

      • Passchendaele
        Passchendaele
        August 24, 2017 at 12:47 am | #

        Nope, it’s more of Mary ending up divorced and remarried a lot. I absolutely hate Mary and Peter as a couple (and separately, too), and would love to see them broken up, hopefully with a little heartbreak involved. Pregnancy doesn’t have anything to do with this.

        • Nono
          Nono
          August 24, 2017 at 1:53 am | #

          Is that paid content? Because the last I remember of Mary it was her telling her husband to report Sal.

  17. Chrissy
    Chrissy
    August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    Hah! I love hating on Mary and Paul. They’re both so awful, I can’t even tell if they deserve each other or not.

    • Chrissy
      Chrissy
      August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      Erm… who is this lovely character?

      • JessWitt
        JessWitt
        August 24, 2017 at 12:19 am | #

        Spencer. She hasn’t appeared yet.

        • segnosaur
          segnosaur
          August 24, 2017 at 10:46 am | #

          So what you’re saying is that she’s a time traveler.

  18. Puckish Rogue
    Puckish Rogue
    August 24, 2017 at 12:08 am | #

    Panel 6 is so wrong but so funny I can’t stop smiling while reading it because its so devilishly over the top

    I half expect them to start twirling their waxed moustaches

  19. TheAmazingKMan
    TheAmazingKMan
    August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

    Talk about a match made in the darkest, deepest pits of the ninth level of hell…

    • TheAmazingKMan
      TheAmazingKMan
      August 24, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

      But on a brighter topic, I’m really proud of Joe in this strip. He really does seem to be trying after what Joyce said to him.

      Although… what IS he doing in the woman’s wing in the first place?

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        August 24, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

        Not the normal.

      • Nono
        Nono
        August 24, 2017 at 12:22 am | #

        If I had to wager a guess, going to apologize to Dorothy (since she didn’t come for doughnuts and Joe probably figured he should say sorry for putting her in a foul mood last week).

      • DrWattson
        DrWattson
        August 24, 2017 at 12:25 am | #

        I assume Joe was there seeking out Rachel specifically to apologize.

      • Lone Wolf
        Lone Wolf
        August 24, 2017 at 12:26 am | #

        He might be on his way out of the wing after having escorted Joyce back to her room.

      • wwwhhattt
        wwwhhattt
        August 24, 2017 at 12:41 am | #

        Looking at his phone, maybe going through the list to apologise to each person in person.
        (heh)

        • wwwhhattt
          wwwhhattt
          August 24, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

          That was supposed to be a question… never let it be said I sounded sure about anything

        • ValdVin
          ValdVin
          August 24, 2017 at 5:18 am | #

          I’m with you.

          He could well be doing an apology to everyone who didn’t get a donut. That might be a few people on this wing.

          Wonder if he knows many other women on other wings of the hall?

    • (((Mkvenner)))
      (((Mkvenner)))
      August 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

      I doubt hell is this creative.

    • Minotaur
      Minotaur
      August 24, 2017 at 2:09 am | #

      Not that I like Mary or anything, but how would she belong in the traitor’s department of Hell? I mean having her frozen in ice would be fine by me, but treachery is not the first thing that comes to mind with Mary…

      • Frederic Garber
        Frederic Garber
        August 24, 2017 at 5:16 am | #

        I’d mark her for A Sower of Discord. She gets to be hacked and mutilated by a demon with a giant sword. But Dante tended to categorize people according to what his story or personal feelings mandated, not necessarily about a consistent logical or theological framework.

  20. Irredentist
    Irredentist
    August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

    I knew it, Joe and Rachel are totes gonna bang.

  21. BBCC
    BBCC
    August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

    Anti life justifies my hate. Anti Life SO justifies my hate…

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

      EW. FUCK not for that icon.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 24, 2017 at 7:37 am | #

        But it went so well with the Anti-life bit.

    • Kernanator
      Kernanator
      August 24, 2017 at 12:17 am | #

      Good ol’ “No Subtlety” Kirby.

    • durhamtyler
      durhamtyler
      August 26, 2017 at 3:25 am | #

      Man, the last time I heard that one it was an earlkier episode of Stop The Fourth Wall. That takes me back….

  22. Nono
    Nono
    August 24, 2017 at 12:10 am | #

    I’m dreading the Mary/Peter slipshine.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      August 24, 2017 at 12:23 am | #

      But they’re a canon pairi-…

      …. oh, wait, that’s Spiderman.

      • 3-I
        3-I
        August 24, 2017 at 5:54 am | #

        Not since the intervention of the devil!

    • Andy
      Andy
      August 24, 2017 at 1:51 am | #

      Dammit now I’m imagining it.

      And I can’t decide if it would be super boring vanilla sex with them being smug about how they’re forgiven afterwards, or if it would just be pages of them making out and talking about how they’re better than all the sinners because they’re not having sex.

      • Kamino Neko
        Kamino Neko
        August 24, 2017 at 2:34 am | #

        Nah. Lots of anal, with them being super smug about how it doesn’t count.

        • Eyebrow
          Eyebrow
          August 24, 2017 at 10:14 am | #

          That was my guess too. Like the Garfunkel and Oates song.
          .

          • Eyebrow
            Eyebrow
            August 24, 2017 at 10:15 am | #

            Oooh, can I not say “Brownbacking”?

    • Blackbird
      Blackbird
      August 24, 2017 at 2:35 am | #

      Me too. Especially when all the spiders crawl out of Mary’s vagina on page 4.

      • Kryss LaBryn
        Kryss LaBryn
        August 24, 2017 at 7:29 am | #

        Haha my friend has a four-year-old who decided he was super into Spiderman before he had a clue about who Spiderman actually was (just liked the toys, I think).

        In his version Spiderman is a good guy who can control spiders, so he beats up bad guys and then all his spiders tie them up in their webs and crawl all over their faces until they promise to be good and not steal stuff anymore.

        You have no idea how much I want that to be canon, haha. It would probably work REALLY WELL.

      • Woobie
        Woobie
        August 26, 2017 at 2:39 am | #

        ew

    • Rei
      Rei
      August 24, 2017 at 5:37 am | #

      That is the worst thing that can happen for slipshine oh god

  23. Amias
    Amias
    August 24, 2017 at 12:11 am | #

    “Neder issar” = a traditional Hebrew vow of prohibition or deprivation. (Had to look it up, glad to learn.)

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      August 24, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

      I though it was Hebrew, but couldn’t be bothered to look it up. Tnx.

    • Joy
      Joy
      August 24, 2017 at 12:31 am | #

      (me too! this conversion-considerer knows a lil more than she did before :3 )

      • Leorale
        Leorale
        August 24, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

        If you do decide to convert, you’ll surely end up knowing more than the vast majority of other Jews. It’s a thing. Good luck with whatever you choose. ^^

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      August 24, 2017 at 12:35 am | #

      Me, too. I had no idea there were explicit laws around what does and doesn’t count as a vow, but it makes sense.

    • Sunny
      Sunny
      August 24, 2017 at 12:18 pm | #

      Speaking of Hebrew vows, are jews allowed in the scouts? They’re a christian organisation afaik, aren’t they?

      And I wonder who I will be now.

      • Fart Captor
        Fart Captor
        August 24, 2017 at 12:53 pm | #

        The BSA is a secular organization. Some level of religious overtones tend to be present, but it can vary wildly from troop to troop. Some troops are VERY religiously-oriented, though I don’t know if any actually require you to belong to any particular religion to join.

        The main reason for the religious bullshit like excluding gay scouts until only a few years ago and their continued exclusion of trans scouts is largely due to a large part of their funding coming from religious organizations.

        As I understand it, troops like mine that are secular and not creepily militaristic have gotten rarer in the last decade or so. Hopefully there are other more inclusive organizations taking their place rather than them simply going away

        • Scar Man!!!
          Scar Man!!!
          August 24, 2017 at 4:25 pm | #

          They’re not new, but there is the Coed “Venture Scouts”

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 24, 2017 at 1:03 pm | #

        Yeah, Jews are allowed by the Boy Scouts. (Though many troops are directly supported by churches and I suspect some would discriminate.)

        Belief in God is part of the scouting rules. Officially atheists can not be members, but those of any religion can be (probably some wiggle room on exactly what qualifies). Again, how strictly this is enforced likely varies from group to group.

  24. Grethelwveir
    Grethelwveir
    August 24, 2017 at 12:11 am | #

    Huh. New pics?

    • Grethelwveir
      Grethelwveir
      August 24, 2017 at 12:11 am | #

      Hmm…

    • Briny
      Briny
      August 24, 2017 at 2:25 am | #

      Might be.

  25. Grethelwveir
    Grethelwveir
    August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

    Pfft… Okay, no.

    • Grethelwveir
      Grethelwveir
      August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

      Maybe…

      • Grethelwveir
        Grethelwveir
        August 24, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

        Ooh! Okay.

        • Michael Chandra
          Michael Chandra
          August 24, 2017 at 1:34 am | #

          How do you do that? ?

          • Michael Chandra
            Michael Chandra
            August 24, 2017 at 1:38 am | #

            Just different caps and software fixes it?

            • Michael ChandrA
              Michael ChandrA
              August 24, 2017 at 1:39 am | #

              Test1234? Does this work?

              • Michael Chandra
                Michael Chandra
                August 24, 2017 at 1:39 am | #

                Drat.

              • Michael Chandra
                Michael Chandra
                August 24, 2017 at 1:43 am | #

                Better this time?

              • Michael Chandra
                Michael Chandra
                August 24, 2017 at 1:46 am | #

                Damn you Willis! Okay that last one with cOm wasn’t bad but still.

              • Michael Chandra
                Michael Chandra
                August 24, 2017 at 1:47 am | #

                I hate spamming but I want a nicer pic. =/ So going to try a few more capitalizations of my Email.

                • Michael Chandra
                  Michael Chandra
                  August 24, 2017 at 1:48 am | #

                  I can live with that one. =)

                • Blackbird
                  Blackbird
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:37 am | #

                  Using your thread to test a couple

                • Blackbird
                  Blackbird
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:38 am | #

                  And I got Mary… that’s what I get for thread stealing

                • Grethelwveir
                  Grethelwveir
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:56 am | #

                  Lol. It’s okay. This can be the “find your gravatar” thread.

                • nobilis
                  nobilis
                  August 24, 2017 at 12:40 pm | #

                  And I am still trying to get Dina …

                • nobilis
                  nobilis
                  August 24, 2017 at 12:43 pm | #

                  Jacob isn’t bad, but let’s try again

                • BP
                  BP
                  August 24, 2017 at 7:42 pm | #

                  A find your Gravatar thread? Hooray, now I can stop spamming the bottom!

                • BP
                  BP
                  August 24, 2017 at 7:43 pm | #

                  Danny’s better…

    • BP
      BP
      August 24, 2017 at 7:43 pm | #

      Eh, not a Meredith fan since SP!

      • BP
        BP
        August 24, 2017 at 7:43 pm | #

        Perfect! 😀

  26. Cattleprod
    Cattleprod
    August 24, 2017 at 12:12 am | #

    Mary and Peter, since you’re okay with dying now, I have some good news about what the rest of the dorm thinks about you.

    • Fox
      Fox
      August 24, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

      I think that sentiment applies to most if not all of the readership too.

      • Averien
        Averien
        August 24, 2017 at 12:57 am | #

        Not all. If she was raised in a household with ideals such as she displays, then I feel pity for her. She’s been taught that hate is humanity’s province and duty, has never been shown actual love, and has thus been quietly abused her entire life. Others have it worse, but she is the product of hate. For that, I do not hate her (however much I hate her behavior and even philosophy); I pity her, and wish not for her eternal torment, but for her enlightenment and an ease to a wretched suffering she does not even know she is enduring.

        • King Daniel
          King Daniel
          August 24, 2017 at 1:05 am | #

          According to Willis IIRC, Mary’s parents are probably alright people who’re unable to really understand why she turned out the way she did.

          She’s kind of like the opposite of Joyce in that respect.

          • Fox
            Fox
            August 24, 2017 at 1:11 am | #

            I’ve read that too, hence my dislike of Mary, she’s awful just because that’s who she is, not because of how she was raised.

          • Kamino Neko
            Kamino Neko
            August 24, 2017 at 2:45 am | #

            The ‘opposite of Joyce’ aspect comes up in pretty much every element of her personality, except for the ‘devout Christian’ part.

          • Woobie
            Woobie
            August 26, 2017 at 2:42 am | #

            That probably happens to lots of parents.

        • Fox
          Fox
          August 24, 2017 at 1:18 am | #

          Even if she were a product of her environment, which Willis has said she is not, that doesn’t make me hate her less. She’s not ignorantly bigoted and unaware of the harm she does, she actively enjoys tormenting and hurting other people for her own personal amusement. She is a type of nasty that lives in the same realm as the things that drive the “Ryan’s” of the world. She revels in hurting others and having power over them, all while justifying it to herself as they are not “real” people. She’s an awful human being.

          • Minotaur
            Minotaur
            August 24, 2017 at 2:15 am | #

            Not that I like Mary or anything, but what makes you think she doesn’t believe other people are “real”? Did I miss something?

            • Minotaur
              Minotaur
              August 24, 2017 at 2:51 am | #

              Oh, wait, that’s actually a very accurate way of describing how Mary doesn’t see Carla as female… Though I’m still not sure how it would fit her conviction that “regular sinners” are going to hell… (Like Joyce for instance)

              • Fox
                Fox
                August 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm | #

                That’s the thing though, she sees anyone who isn’t like her as “sinners”, she strips them of all humanity and views them as nothing more than their ” misdeeds.” She then uses that as an excuse to torment people. With Carla, she doesn’t just not see her as female, she doesn’t see her as a person at all, she treats her as subhuman.

              • Fox
                Fox
                August 25, 2017 at 9:09 pm | #

                Sorry, I took so long to reply, my comments haven’t been wanting to go through.

  27. Shiro
    Shiro
    August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

    Okay, points for Joe. That was a genuine apology.

    No points for Mary or Peter. Punches for Mary and Peter.

    Also, I’m wondering what Rachel has to live with.

    • Fox
      Fox
      August 24, 2017 at 12:16 am | #

      Seconded on all points.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      August 24, 2017 at 12:24 am | #

      Among other things, she has to live with Mary and Peter.

      …..

      …..

      Come and knock on our doooooor…..

      • Fox
        Fox
        August 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

        No, dear gods no, three’s company with Mary and Peter is a punishment only someone as bad as “Ryan” deserves.

  28. Irredentist
    Irredentist
    August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

    Also, who the hell is my avatar, and why do they look like a laughing demon?

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      August 24, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

      Nash, a new upcoming character. Little known about her.

    • Sporky
      Sporky
      August 24, 2017 at 12:15 am | #

      I think it’s a new character we haven’t seen yet!

      • Irredentist
        Irredentist
        August 24, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

        A Muslim one, apparently. I was beginning to think that Asma was the only one in all of Indiana. Good to see some more religious diversity.

        • Fart Captor
          Fart Captor
          August 24, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

          There’s also Raidah

          • Irredentist
            Irredentist
            August 24, 2017 at 12:27 am | #

            I didn’t know Raidah was Muslim. Huh.

            • Gwen
              Gwen
              August 24, 2017 at 12:48 am | #

              She and Jacob spent a lot of time discussing religion.

  29. MonkeyMadness
    MonkeyMadness
    August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

    I REALLY hope that Mike ends up seducing and hatef***ing either Mary or Paul . . . or BOTH . . .

    And if it does happen I hope it happens like this:

    http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-7/05-pedostache/a-89/

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      August 24, 2017 at 2:30 am | #

      Coming soon to a Slipshine near you: “Mary x Mike: Evil is Coming” – A Dumbing of Age pornographique by David “Damn You” Willis.

      • Grethelwveir
        Grethelwveir
        August 24, 2017 at 2:47 am | #

        I’m laughing so hard. This is the best thing I’ve read in a while. You just made my night. Thank you.

      • Woobie
        Woobie
        August 26, 2017 at 2:45 am | #

        I HATE Coke in my nose, thanks! 🙂

  30. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

    Tease us with Stacy yesterday and then *blip* scene change to the dorms. Figures.

    Let’s see what Gravatar roulette has for me, a former Sal.

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      August 24, 2017 at 12:15 am | #

      Yay! Sierra is pretty cool, like the embodiment of positivity. But I won’t bear feet.

      • Dellaran
        Dellaran
        August 24, 2017 at 1:37 am | #

        But do your feet bear you?

        • butting
          butting
          August 24, 2017 at 2:51 am | #

          I dunno how they could stand for that.

          • Abel Undercity
            Abel Undercity
            August 24, 2017 at 5:20 am | #

            Sometimes you just have to toe the line.

    • TheGrammarLegionary
      TheGrammarLegionary
      August 24, 2017 at 11:06 pm | #

      So, here’s my theory… Walky and Jason are also in that bar (the stubbly guy mentioned in yesterday’s alt-text is in both scenes). Then they cut away to give Leslie a chance to show up, and also tease us with Stacy. Now they’ve cut away again. My guess is that Willis hasn’t loaded the chamber to its critical mass yet; at least one more person is going to show up in that bar. And who is this, you might ask?

      Well, that’s where I ran out of ideas. Any guesses as to who creates the most drama possible in that building? (And remember, Walky and Sal can both get in there no problem, so I’m assuming the bouncers don’t really care.)

  31. Rosicrucian
    Rosicrucian
    August 24, 2017 at 12:13 am | #

    Only a matter of time before Mary’s pregnant from pre-marital hanky-panky.

    • Mollyscribbles
      Mollyscribbles
      August 24, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

      She’ll claim case precedent to deny sinning.

  32. Justin Time
    Justin Time
    August 24, 2017 at 12:14 am | #

    So nobody told these two idiots that Pride is one of the bigger sins, huh?

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      August 24, 2017 at 12:17 am | #

      IKR, Geez you’d think they know that.

    • Mollyscribbles
      Mollyscribbles
      August 24, 2017 at 12:17 am | #

      I find that most “Christians” who mention the rapture come across that way; they view the Rapture (at least the version they are convinced will be a thing that has little to do with the actual Bible) as the ultimate chance to go “Nyah nyah, told you so!”

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      August 24, 2017 at 12:18 am | #

      I’m sure hundreds of people have told them that, but these two know God’s will better than those sinners.

      • DrunkenNordmann
        DrunkenNordmann
        August 24, 2017 at 12:50 am | #

        If you think you know God’s will – you probably don’t. :/

        • StClair
          StClair
          August 24, 2017 at 1:02 am | #

          or the God you follow must be a really small god, if a mere mortal like yourself is able to comprehend their plan.

          • CJ
            CJ
            August 24, 2017 at 3:04 am | #

            Yessss!

          • fogel
            fogel
            August 24, 2017 at 5:03 am | #

            Ineffability, right!

          • Mephron
            Mephron
            August 24, 2017 at 9:36 am | #

            “Puny god.”

          • durhamtyler
            durhamtyler
            August 26, 2017 at 3:31 am | #

            Don’t diss small gods, it’s one of Terry Pratchet’s best books.
            Seriously, it’s a great book. If you haven’t read it check it out.

    • Vulcanodon
      Vulcanodon
      August 24, 2017 at 7:57 am | #

      It’s like telling them that public prayers are spiritually dubious according to Matthew 6; they just rationalize it away.

    • Falcon
      Falcon
      August 24, 2017 at 2:20 pm | #

      It’s impossible to be righteous without having some significant measure of pride. If one believes they are encouraged by God Himself to be righteous even when they’re not all that wise about His teachings, well…..

  33. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    August 24, 2017 at 12:16 am | #

    ………

    Grav Roulette.

    I always knew this day would come.

    You have returned.

    You have returned and you have taken my Walky.

    In his place you have given me Dorothy, who is so awesome in so many ways that she can never represent me. You would doom me to forever live in the shadow of my own grav.

    This cannot stand.

    So once more I spin unto your breach, dear frenemy. Let our bottles be coined.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      August 24, 2017 at 12:40 am | #

      Ah, grav roulette is fun~

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        August 24, 2017 at 12:40 am | #

        Now, see, I said that and it did THIS to me.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          August 24, 2017 at 12:41 am | #

          …Okay, yeah, I love Carla. I can work with this for tonight.

  34. newllend(henryvolt)
    newllend(henryvolt)
    August 24, 2017 at 12:19 am | #

    So they’ve met, ok.

    On that note I wonder how this will end. Maybe the two of them will realize something about the other person and start to be completely repulsed by each other and brake things off.

  35. @zombieundergrnd
    @zombieundergrnd
    August 24, 2017 at 12:20 am | #

    Somebody should take a fire extinguisher to those two.

    • John
      John
      August 24, 2017 at 2:05 am | #

      Spray or bludgeon?

      • Mephron
        Mephron
        August 24, 2017 at 9:41 am | #

        Halon.

        It binds to the oxygen in the air, making combustion no longer possible. You can imagine what it does to humans…. or even Mary.

    • Kryss LaBryn
      Kryss LaBryn
      August 24, 2017 at 7:37 am | #

      I think a bucket of cold water or a garden hose is more traditional.

      But hey, at least, while they’re still nauseating, they’re both distracted with each other and not actively planning out ways to hurt the people around them.

      “I’m a hundred times more humble than thou art,” I could live with, when the alternative is blackmail, misgendering, and trying their damnedest to murder by suicide.

      Yeah, Mary, you guys are so totally holy. Gee, I sure wish I could be as holy as you and get into Heaven (oh no wait I’m aiming for Asgard so no I don’t).

      Hey, I heard someone in the lobby thinks they’re holier than thou art. Go make out over there.

      • Kryss LaBryn
        Kryss LaBryn
        August 24, 2017 at 7:40 am | #

        Or, hah, someone could film them making out (or actually having sex) and upload it to the same porn site Roz used, which would piss off the Dean and possibly get him to throw them both out. Hey, Roz is perfectly positioned to both film them having sex and to upload it to the same site! Well, well.

        • TemperaryObsessor
          TemperaryObsessor
          August 24, 2017 at 2:30 pm | #

          If done without their consent I am pretty sure that would ultimately get Roz in more trouble.

  36. brasca1
    brasca1
    August 24, 2017 at 12:21 am | #

    Who is a more repulsive couple Peter and Mary or Faz and Wen?

    • Tacos
      Tacos
      August 24, 2017 at 12:26 am | #

      I’d say Peter and Mary because how shitty they are with their form of religion.

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 3:23 am | #

      I always thought that there was something irrepressibly cute about Faz and Wen from their complete lack of self-awareness combined with total innocence. You could never really take offence at them without appearing heartless (sort of like kicking an incontinent Labrador puppy for repeatedly taking a whiz on your rug).

      • Socks
        Socks
        August 24, 2017 at 9:36 am | #

        Yeah, Faz on his own was a terrible infliction on Amber and everyone else at the store. Faz and Wen are basically neutralized, and I kind of admired their persistent positivity in the face of both clearly being insane.

  37. Irredentist
    Irredentist
    August 24, 2017 at 12:22 am | #

    My new avatar looks a lot like a girl I know from work. And it reminds me, there’s something I’ve been meaning to ask you guys, because this seems like a strangely appropriate place for it. My friend is a devout Muslim girl, a lot like Joyce in many ways. She is friendly and likeable, and I have a fairly close working relationship with her. Recently she has expressed to me her distaste for LGBT people, and that she does not view gay or trans people as being real or legitimate identities. What is the appropriate response to this?

    • Fox
      Fox
      August 24, 2017 at 12:33 am | #

      I find the best response is, “That’s your choice to make, I disagree”. It makes the point without starting a fight and if they try to convince you a simple “I will not change my mind, let’s agree to disagree” is usually enough.

      • Irredentist
        Irredentist
        August 24, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

        I want it to be that simple. But it’s gonna dig at me.

        • Fox
          Fox
          August 24, 2017 at 12:46 am | #

          I can get that, I tend to get very passionate as a dfab man when people are anti-lgbt, but I’ve personally found that confrontation can sometimes be the impetus for people to double down and be more vocally ant-lgbt, so I suggest caution especially being lgbt youself. If you feel comfortable outing yourself you could say do you see me as real?

          • Irredentist
            Irredentist
            August 24, 2017 at 12:50 am | #

            I’ve considered doing just that. I’m a little hesitant at what her reaction might be though.

            • Fox
              Fox
              August 24, 2017 at 12:53 am | #

              Whatever you decide to do stay safe and remember you will have to work together so don’t let yourself get pulled into a fight, just speak your piece calmly and rationally.

              • Irredentist
                Irredentist
                August 24, 2017 at 12:57 am | #

                I will, and thank you for your advice.

                • Fox
                  Fox
                  August 24, 2017 at 1:08 am | #

                  You’re very welcome. Good luck.

    • Fart Captor
      Fart Captor
      August 24, 2017 at 12:36 am | #

      You could start by telling you that you disagree if you haven’t already. Pointing out that people don’t choose to be LGBT, and they just want to be allowed to live.

      If she’s expressing this distaste in the workplace, discouraging that seems like a good target, if you can’t change her mind. If you’ve got any LGBT coworkers (closeted or no), they shouldn’t have to listen to that.

      • Irredentist
        Irredentist
        August 24, 2017 at 12:41 am | #

        I think she knows that I disagree, though I haven’t stated it quite so directly. I’ve been treating her opinion of gay people as something of a joke, which I can get away with because like I said, we’re close. Thing is, I’m actually one of those closeted coworkers, though not out of fear, I just don’t really talk about it, and I don’t generally come across as being queer. It’s an interesting situation to be in.

        • Gwen
          Gwen
          August 24, 2017 at 12:55 am | #

          My experience working with a lot of conservative religious organizations as a community organizer is that I was just myself. I didn’t go out of my way to either mention or hide my sexuality, and over a few years, most of the people who assumed I’d been mentioning the type of girlfriend with whom you get a mani-pedi realized I meant the type of girlfriend with whom I shared a one-bedroom apartment. They figured it out when they were ready, and when they already had a good relationship with me. My two cents, your mileage may vary, etc.

          • Irredentist
            Irredentist
            August 24, 2017 at 12:59 am | #

            Yeah that’s pretty much how it works for me too.

        • Fart Captor
          Fart Captor
          August 24, 2017 at 12:59 am | #

          Shit. I really have much experience in this area. I was able to set my brother straight after he expressed the opinion that transgender people were just being “trendy”, but he didn’t really have that strong of an opinion on the matter, so it didn’t take much.

          If she’s not extremely harsh about it, gentle push-back like you’re doing might be the way to go. You could try being slightly more firm by moving from “haha, you can’t be serious” to “this again? you’re being ridiculous”, with some eye-rolling, and see how that goes.

          It might nudge her towards re-evaluating a little faster, but it’s easy to roll back if she seems to respond badly.

          • Irredentist
            Irredentist
            August 24, 2017 at 1:06 am | #

            Yeah, that’s what I’ve been thinking is the way to go. It just seems so strange to me. I’m used to the bigots in my life being people like Mary. Not Joyce.

      • Fox
        Fox
        August 24, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

        I agree with your points far captor, but you do have to be careful getting too confrontational about it, especially in the workplace and some people respond very badly to having you try to change their mind.

    • Grethelwveir
      Grethelwveir
      August 24, 2017 at 12:59 am | #

      If you trust her to remain civil and friendly, low-pressure questioning and debate geared towards mutual understanding, if not agreement, shouldn’t hurt. Asking “Why do you hold your current views?” and phrasing arguments as “This is why I hold my current views.” is a more gentle way to butt heads in the case that you actually want to do that. If you don’t want to, or don’t think it would be a good idea, you have every right to pick your battles. Hell knows I do.

      • Irredentist
        Irredentist
        August 24, 2017 at 1:13 am | #

        I definitely want to talk about it at some point. Not sure how it’s gonna come up though, because I don’t really want to start the conversation myself haha

        • Grethelwveir
          Grethelwveir
          August 24, 2017 at 1:17 am | #

          Ha! Yeah, I feel that.

      • Kryss LaBryn
        Kryss LaBryn
        August 24, 2017 at 7:51 am | #

        I like that you’re using the phrase “current views”; it makes it sound more like something that might change, and that’s fine, rather than being something both immutable and wrong. 🙂

    • Kryss LaBryn
      Kryss LaBryn
      August 24, 2017 at 7:42 am | #

      I have some Muslim friends who are absolutely allies of LGBTQ+ folks. They say the Koran actually supports it (or at least doesn’t contradict it, I don’t remember which offhand). Let me ask them and see if they can give you any tips. 🙂

      • Irredentist
        Irredentist
        August 24, 2017 at 11:29 am | #

        I appreciate it, thanks

  38. Sugnez
    Sugnez
    August 24, 2017 at 12:24 am | #

    Shitty personalities aside, Mary and Peter look really good in that last panel.

    • John
      John
      August 24, 2017 at 2:04 am | #

      We can see your face, Peter.

  39. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    August 24, 2017 at 12:25 am | #

    I see Mary hasn’t been denying Peter any. 😛

    • Abel Undercity
      Abel Undercity
      August 24, 2017 at 5:23 am | #

      I saw what you did there.

  40. Vinny
    Vinny
    August 24, 2017 at 12:25 am | #

    These two need to be eaten by an Allosaurus.
    Check with Jeph Jacques – he may know where to find a hungry one.

    • Tacos
      Tacos
      August 24, 2017 at 12:28 am | #

      Why an Allosaurus? Why not a Suchimimus or an Afrovenator?

      • Mephron
        Mephron
        August 24, 2017 at 9:48 am | #

        Or a swarm of Compsognathiuses?

  41. Urukak
    Urukak
    August 24, 2017 at 12:29 am | #

    I had to do a double take on Mary in the last panel, because between her arm position and the shadows, it almost looked like she wasn’t wearing anything under her sweater. Was her top that low-cut when we saw it before?

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      August 24, 2017 at 2:55 am | #

      Yep.

  42. Ryek Hvek
    Ryek Hvek
    August 24, 2017 at 12:31 am | #

    “Take my Peter, please”

    • Malicious Taffy
      Malicious Taffy
      August 24, 2017 at 1:14 am | #

      Your Gravatar makes that creepier than it needs to be.

  43. Miri
    Miri
    August 24, 2017 at 12:31 am | #

    Is ‘we all have to live with our mistakes’ an improvement on ‘redemption is a story… you will always be the thing you were before’?

    Because acknowledging our mistakes, taking responsibility for them, understanding why we made them and working on the root causes, and trying not to repeat those mistakes (or let the same maladaptive source thoughts/beliefs lead us to making similar mistakes) is how we move past those things and grow as people and improve ourselves.

    Also I really like Joe’s apology. He owns how wrong he was (without disclosing anything that could make Joyce feel uncomfortable) and1 that he thought he was being funny and is now aware he was not, and he intends to stop acting like that. Starting by calling Rachel by her proper name is a pretty good beginning. And also shows he bothered to learn it rather than actually mentally completely reducing her to the sum of her component body parts, personality not required…

    Also I’m not sure other people taste of religious symbolic cleansing? Unless they’re making a case for Peter’s tongue (I am going with tongue. I am staying with tongue) being made of Jesus’s flesh and his saliva (again, saliva, not any other bodily fluids, be they freely swapped or not) being Jesus’s blood… but pretty certain a Christian would find that quite blasphemous, and now I just have mental images of Mary devouring him praying mantis-style because cannibalism is next to godliness so long as you eat the right people for the right reasons…

    On the plus side it may reassure Amber that other people are messed up too? On the negative, it’s 5:30 am and I don’t think I can sleep with that mental image…

    • Fox
      Fox
      August 24, 2017 at 12:36 am | #

      I like your assessment here, very well thought out.

    • Carms
      Carms
      August 24, 2017 at 1:09 am | #

      I skimmed that last panel before actually reading an dOH GOD I was so concerned about taste like JEEZ

    • OnyxIdol
      OnyxIdol
      August 24, 2017 at 2:10 am | #

      Aaannd your mentioning of Mary eating Peter mantis-style gave me a Franken-Fran flashback.

      • Kamino Neko
        Kamino Neko
        August 24, 2017 at 2:59 am | #

        ‘I’m sorry, are you OK?’

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 3:09 am | #

      FWIW, I suspect that Rachel is talking about herself here… and I also think she may have been talking about herself for most of her tirade at Ruth. It is a conclusion that I draw from her expression in panel 5 and it worries me.

  44. Tacos
    Tacos
    August 24, 2017 at 12:40 am | #

    I really want to know what’s up with Rachel’s, “We all have to live with our mistakes”? Like what happened in her past?

    On another note, I see the grav pool has been updated and now I won’t remember who’s who anymore D:

  45. Rikunda
    Rikunda
    August 24, 2017 at 12:42 am | #

    Man those two facing God’s judgement… They are showing so much PRIDE. If only there was say… a deadly sin there. Hmm.

  46. pjeseb
    pjeseb
    August 24, 2017 at 12:43 am | #

    So, I looked up what “neder issar” was. Is it similar to Lent, except a lifelong promise instead of a once-a-year type thing?

    • Stevecharb
      Stevecharb
      August 25, 2017 at 9:28 am | #

      No, not at all. It’s a legalistic classification of promises made in general, any day of the year, for any valid reason. All promises are divided into several categories, to which different rules apply.
      In this case, it’s a promise of denial–– meaning that, as a halakhic rule, one who promises not to do something can be called out by other people at any time and must immediately stop doing it without objection.

  47. Bagge
    Bagge
    August 24, 2017 at 12:49 am | #

    Looki at that! A proper apology. No passive aggressive bullshit, no doubling down, just a proper acknowledgement of what he did wrong and a promise to do better.

    Didn’t even need a doughnut.

  48. Moonlord
    Moonlord
    August 24, 2017 at 12:53 am | #

    I feel like Joe says he’s stopping fairly often.

    • Pigeon Pollyx
      Pigeon Pollyx
      August 24, 2017 at 1:29 am | #

      I mean…we’ve already kind of seen how he acts normally. This is like the first time he’s actually said he’s stopping.

  49. Badgermole
    Badgermole
    August 24, 2017 at 12:58 am | #

    Joe was a boy scout. Joe going camping, learning different knots, earning his helping old people badge (sorry, I don’t know what boy scouts do). Think about this head canon for a bit.

    • anonymsly
      anonymsly
      August 24, 2017 at 8:58 am | #

      It honestly makes a lot of sense to me. My dad and brother were both really enthusiastic about scouting, my brother even worked as a leader at Scout camp in early adulthood and my dad still grabs opportunities to teach scouts. (Any Scouts; he’s getting ready to teach my girlfriend’s Girl Scout troop Dutch oven cooking, his old specialty.)

      They’re both very logical and structured engineer personalities (seriously, both engineers) and I see a lot of that in Joe too.

  50. Gesc
    Gesc
    August 24, 2017 at 1:24 am | #

    BLOWJOB CAT

    • Gesc
      Gesc
      August 24, 2017 at 1:26 am | #

      More on topic, at least those two aren’t being as horrible as they usually are, even if the trade off is being subjected to their constant condescension and face sucking.

      But dangit, I don’t dig bj cat

      • Eldritch Gentleman
        Eldritch Gentleman
        August 24, 2017 at 2:37 am | #

        Someone call the Human Centipede guy so he can sew their lips together. Everyone will be happy.

        • Gamaran Sepudomyn
          Gamaran Sepudomyn
          August 24, 2017 at 10:32 am | #

          I thought that was a dwarven thing.

      • Oruncrest
        Oruncrest
        August 24, 2017 at 9:32 am | #

        It’s the teeth.

        It makes BJ Cat look like it plans to chew before it swallows.

        (And speaking of scary avatars, the last time I used this email, I got stuck with Mary. Almost ANYTHING would be an improvement.)

  51. Pigeon Pollyx
    Pigeon Pollyx
    August 24, 2017 at 1:28 am | #

    “We all have to live with our mistakes”, huh? Looks like Rachel’s changed quite a bit since 3 days ago.

    • Pigeon Pollyx
      Pigeon Pollyx
      August 24, 2017 at 1:28 am | #

      Nope, not gonna be chloe thank youuu

      • Blackbird
        Blackbird
        August 24, 2017 at 2:43 am | #

        I’ve gotten Peter, Arnold, and Mary so far. I would KILL for Chloe at this point.

        • Blackbird
          Blackbird
          August 24, 2017 at 2:43 am | #

          I can deal with Walky though

    • CJ
      CJ
      August 24, 2017 at 3:00 am | #

      She sounds like you have to carry your mistakes around and remember them daily or something…
      Did she make a mistake that’s impossible to forgive (she herself at least) because the results was so bitter?

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 3:16 am | #

      I’m pretty sure that she’s talking about herself here and may have been talking about herself when she was rejecting Ruth’s apology too.

  52. JohnnyO
    JohnnyO
    August 24, 2017 at 1:31 am | #

    I really want to know where Rachel’s inability to forgive things and complete lack of faith in people comes from. She’s so opposed to the idea that people can change, there’s almost certainly a backstory there.

  53. Parzival
    Parzival
    August 24, 2017 at 1:35 am | #

    Mary is one of the only fictional characters I hate, and I believe the only one who I hate more than Dolores Umbridge. Joffrey Baratheon comes third.

    • adjudicus
      adjudicus
      August 24, 2017 at 1:43 am | #

      Wait, book Joffrey or show Joffrey?

      • Pl0x
        Pl0x
        August 24, 2017 at 2:14 am | #

        Is there a difference between the two versions?

        • Pl0x
          Pl0x
          August 24, 2017 at 2:16 am | #

          Ok no, not Raidah…

        • Eldritch Gentleman
          Eldritch Gentleman
          August 24, 2017 at 2:35 am | #

          From what I heard quite a few dumb actions by Cersei were done by Joffrey in the show.

      • Pl0x
        Pl0x
        August 24, 2017 at 2:19 am | #

        Is there a difference between the two versions?

        Also I’ve found out that if I reply to my own comment that’s still awaiting moderation, both comments disappear.

        • adjudicus
          adjudicus
          August 24, 2017 at 9:14 am | #

          I mean, both were pretty similar in the fact that both were still horrible, whiny, cowardly, bullying, spoiled little shits, but book Joffrey has no empathy at all, and does what he does mainly to show to everyone that he’s decisive and strong, while show Joffrey’s actions have an undercurrent of sexual malice. Plus, show Joffrey tortured and killed prostitutes and ordered all of Robert Baratheon’s bastards killed.

          • adjudicus
            adjudicus
            August 24, 2017 at 9:17 am | #

            So, in short, not much difference, but I think show Joffrey is worse

    • Madock345
      Madock345
      August 24, 2017 at 4:28 am | #

      Hate her more than Umbridge? I mean, they share the core trait of way-too-real sanctimonious moralizing and sense of superiority in their evil, but at least Mary isn’t also a huge racist nazi with a bent for torture.

      • Eldritch Gentleman
        Eldritch Gentleman
        August 24, 2017 at 4:58 am | #

        Welp, hate is not scalable based on how many horrible traits someone has. It’s all a case of personal opinion. And frankly I think that Mary just didn’t get an opportunity to be racist yet.

        Also this reminds me that one post I read about how Umbridge is more hateable than Voldemort. Basically Voldemort is a fantasy evil we are Extremely unlikely to encounter while Umbridge is a much more real-life kind of evil. Same thing probably applies here. Someone like Mary has a somewhat higher chance to pop up in our lives than someone like Umbridge.

      • Mephron
        Mephron
        August 24, 2017 at 9:52 am | #

        Self-hating racist nazi, remember. Umbridge is a halfblood.

        • Scar Man!!!
          Scar Man!!!
          August 24, 2017 at 11:52 am | #

          Ooooo, really? I didn’t know that

          • Mephron
            Mephron
            August 24, 2017 at 12:04 pm | #

            https://www.pottermore.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/dolores-umbridge

            If it’s from JK herself, I think it’s as definitive as it gets.

            • Scar Man!!!
              Scar Man!!!
              August 24, 2017 at 8:15 pm | #

              Wasn’t disbelieving, just surprised. Does kinda tie into the “worst bigots are self-hating oppressed people” myth, but we still have the malfous and their ilk

              • Scar Man!!!
                Scar Man!!!
                August 24, 2017 at 8:40 pm | #

                Malfoys

              • Mephron
                Mephron
                August 25, 2017 at 7:27 am | #

                Sorry if it came off like that. When people do the “I didn’t know that”, I like to refer them to the source directly, so that they have it if someone drops a challenge on them. It’s only polite.

        • StClair
          StClair
          August 24, 2017 at 12:18 pm | #

          Often the most zealous. They have to prove to everyone (including themselves) that they’re fully committed to the cause, despite the “unfortunate circumstances” from which they come.

          • Eldritch Gentleman
            Eldritch Gentleman
            August 24, 2017 at 2:08 pm | #

            Reminds me an aunt of mine. Back during communist times she was super dedicated to that cause. Now? If the priest told her to jump she’d ask “How high?”

            • Roborat
              Roborat
              August 24, 2017 at 2:59 pm | #

              Not seeing much difference there.

              • Eldritch Gentleman
                Eldritch Gentleman
                August 24, 2017 at 3:36 pm | #

                Except for the whole, complete 180 on her previous believes. You just can’t get more opposite than a dedicated commie and dedicated catholic.

  54. Peter Huppertz
    Peter Huppertz
    August 24, 2017 at 1:37 am | #

    And here’s me thinking that the name Peter had died out when my generation grew up…

  55. Luke74
    Luke74
    August 24, 2017 at 2:01 am | #

    I think this might be the first time I’ve ever truly liked Joe.

  56. Pl0x
    Pl0x
    August 24, 2017 at 2:02 am | #

    Encouragement for Joe!

    • Eldritch Gentleman
      Eldritch Gentleman
      August 24, 2017 at 2:36 am | #

      Sorry for offtopic but… damn, Jacob in a suit? The universe really is testing Ethan.

      • Pl0x
        Pl0x
        August 24, 2017 at 2:44 am | #

        It’s for church. In the full character model he’s holding a bible.

        • Pl0x
          Pl0x
          August 24, 2017 at 2:46 am | #

          I lied when I said last grav roulette round further down.

        • Eldritch Gentleman
          Eldritch Gentleman
          August 24, 2017 at 2:47 am | #

          He might really need it to fight off all the people who want a piece of him.

      • StClair
        StClair
        August 24, 2017 at 12:19 pm | #

        and then he takes off the glasses and pulls open his shirt with both hands…

        • Eldritch Gentleman
          Eldritch Gentleman
          August 24, 2017 at 1:44 pm | #

          And Pillar Men theme starts to play.

          • Scar Man!!!
            Scar Man!!!
            August 24, 2017 at 8:37 pm | #

            Ai yai yai, indeed…

  57. Eldritch Gentleman
    Eldritch Gentleman
    August 24, 2017 at 2:15 am | #

    I almost wish they would die right now and get Kenny from South Park treatment

  58. OnyxIdol
    OnyxIdol
    August 24, 2017 at 2:18 am | #

    So I’m guessing Rachel considers herself to be irredeemable as well?

  59. Dev
    Dev
    August 24, 2017 at 2:22 am | #

    Joe’s growth in this makes my heart sing. ♥

  60. Pl0x
    Pl0x
    August 24, 2017 at 2:24 am | #

    Dat da da. I’m sorry that I have nothing to say here.

    • Pl0x
      Pl0x
      August 24, 2017 at 2:27 am | #

      Wuh-oh. Definitely not. I don’t need more reminders of the similar stupidities of Walky and me.

      • Pl0x
        Pl0x
        August 24, 2017 at 2:30 am | #

        Eh. Livable but not awesome.

        • Pl0x
          Pl0x
          August 24, 2017 at 2:31 am | #

          Ken, the default brunt of the joke

          • Pl0x
            Pl0x
            August 24, 2017 at 2:33 am | #

            And his employer.

            • Pl0x
              Pl0x
              August 24, 2017 at 2:35 am | #

              How long I am gonna do this for

              • Pl0x
                Pl0x
                August 24, 2017 at 2:36 am | #

                Goodness

                • Pl0x
                  Pl0x
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:38 am | #

                  I mean, I like her but let’s try for something else.

                • Pl0x
                  Pl0x
                  August 24, 2017 at 2:38 am | #

                  Ok, last one for today.

  61. ADLegend21
    ADLegend21
    August 24, 2017 at 2:26 am | #

    Alright, what did she do?

    Also, Whomst is going to punch Mary and Mary’s boyfriend???

    • ADLegend21
      ADLegend21
      August 24, 2017 at 2:26 am | #

      aww nice I got Joe this time!

      • Danni
        Danni
        August 24, 2017 at 2:27 am | #

        better than getting mary

    • Eldritch Gentleman
      Eldritch Gentleman
      August 24, 2017 at 2:49 am | #

      Personally I hope that residents of their dorm wings get together, vote and decide that they should have a private room. In the dumpster.

  62. Danni
    Danni
    August 24, 2017 at 2:26 am | #

    peter sounds like a huge dick

    • Danni
      Danni
      August 24, 2017 at 2:27 am | #

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      • Shariku
        Shariku
        August 24, 2017 at 2:38 am | #

        The worse time for a new avatar.

        • Danni
          Danni
          August 24, 2017 at 3:19 am | #

          I HATE!

          • Michael Chandra
            Michael Chandra
            August 24, 2017 at 7:35 am | #

            Can be easily changed, trick is at the top of the page. =)

          • Lingo
            Lingo
            August 27, 2017 at 9:15 pm | #

            Well at least you’re in character.

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      August 24, 2017 at 3:02 am | #

      >Mary> Sounds like, no. Has, yes.

    • Zatar
      Zatar
      August 24, 2017 at 1:29 pm | #

      Now you know my pain.

  63. Remmington Steele
    Remmington Steele
    August 24, 2017 at 2:51 am | #

    So who am I now?

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      August 24, 2017 at 2:59 am | #

      Jessica.

      A very common name.

    • Kamino Neko
      Kamino Neko
      August 24, 2017 at 3:03 am | #

      Oh dear…do you have amnesia? You are Remmington Steele, and I’m going to get you to a doctor, OK?

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 3:13 am | #

      Leslie Bean in “I’m gonna seduce Congresswoman DeSantl” mode.

  64. BenRG
    BenRG
    August 24, 2017 at 3:08 am | #

    Rachel’s expression in panel 5 puzzles me. It makes me wonder what mistake she has to live with. It might explain her going way beyond boundaries with Ruth if there is some strong regret in her past that makes her feel both unforgiven and unable to forgive.

    Meanwhile, I’m suspecting that, pretty soon, Peter and Mary will be banned from every church in town. Even the most insufferably self-righteous group has standards and those two would just make them look bad!

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 3:14 am | #

      BTW, notice their ‘smiling without smiling’, something I noticed that former PM Tony Blair was particularly good at.

      • zoelogical
        zoelogical
        August 24, 2017 at 3:33 am | #

        they def. do not have their smize on

        idk it’s interesting because their happiness is very clearly…a performance, for the benefit of the people around them. i have to wonder what they’re like when they’re alone. if this is even something they can maintain while they’re alone

        i kinda doubt it idk

  65. Liz
    Liz
    August 24, 2017 at 3:22 am | #

    Proud of you, Joe.

    I hope Rachel’s okay.

    • Liz
      Liz
      August 24, 2017 at 3:23 am | #

      World’s grumpiest Sarah grav. Perfect.

      • BenRG
        BenRG
        August 24, 2017 at 3:24 am | #

        Not grumpy; worn down and tired. Joyce probably was in-her-face and über-cheerful at 5am this morning again.

  66. zoelogical
    zoelogical
    August 24, 2017 at 3:23 am | #

    you know what i didn’t want to think about??? people getting off on the thought of being raptured. like. somehow. the most heavenly orgasm sent straight from god and infused with the glory of being right. which just makes it better, obvs, and you can watch all those suckers below suffering because they weren’t as good as you. EVEN BETTER you can watch them admitting you were right and regretting that they didn’t agree with you sooner and oh, the error of their ways!!!1!!

    like……………………i didn’t want to think about someone getting off on that, but now i kinda have to, because it’s just…it’s there. it’s there. and it’s not leaving.

    thanks i guess?

    • Roborat
      Roborat
      August 24, 2017 at 3:03 pm | #

      I have seen video of people like this being pranked with fake rapture setups. The looks on their faces when they think they have been left behind is priceless.

  67. Remmington Steele
    Remmington Steele
    August 24, 2017 at 3:32 am | #

    *plays “Je n’ai regrette rien” on the ironic hacked muzak*

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88

  68. Tim
    Tim
    August 24, 2017 at 3:46 am | #

    Huh he updated the gravs. Who am I?

    • Tim
      Tim
      August 24, 2017 at 3:47 am | #

      Booyah!

      • nightsbridge
        nightsbridge
        August 24, 2017 at 10:01 am | #

        You are a high quality Ruth, friend!

  69. nightsbridge
    nightsbridge
    August 24, 2017 at 4:32 am | #

    Hm. I’m wondering about Rachel’s reaction. She’s looking really guilty and she’s not taking the ‘redemption is a story’ angle.

    I wonder if maybe she’s feeling kinda bad about Ruth?

  70. ScarvesandCelery
    ScarvesandCelery
    August 24, 2017 at 4:42 am | #

    Hooray! Joe’s internalising what he’s learnt today! And it’s interesting comparing Rachel’s response to Joe’s apology here to her previous response to Ruth’s apology – “you will always be the thing you were before” is a very similar message to “we all have to live with her mistakes”. Seems like part of the reason she can’t forgive Ruth, and has trouble believing that people can become better than they used to be, is because she’s made mistakes she can’t forgive herself for.

    This isn’t to imply that she’s obliged to forgive Ruth, or that she had to accept Joe’s apology – which she doesn’t technically do here, even though she doesn’t respond to Joe with the same anger she did to Ruth. She just sadly states that everyone has to live with their mistakes. And it does make sense that she responds less negatively to Joe’s apology – Ruth’s was a public apology, and while that was understandable, as she wanted to apologise to the whole dorm, Rachel probably perceived it as performative and fake, a way of winning back favour before reverting to type. By contrast, Joe’s apology here is private (unlike his donut apology) – he bumps into Rachel by chance, and takes the moment as a chance to acknowledge the way he was in the wrong, and promise to be better in the future.

    • ScarvesandCelery
      ScarvesandCelery
      August 24, 2017 at 4:43 am | #

      Oh, look I’m Galasso. KNEEL BEFORE ME, WORTHLESS PEONS!

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        August 24, 2017 at 7:11 am | #

        …If I do, will I have pizza?

        • StClair
          StClair
          August 24, 2017 at 12:20 pm | #

          and subs!

          • Bagge
            Bagge
            August 24, 2017 at 1:59 pm | #

            I love this comment section

      • Emperor Norton II
        Emperor Norton II
        August 24, 2017 at 11:38 am | #

        As emperor of the internet, We are under no obligation to kneel before you.

        • Remmington Steele
          Remmington Steele
          August 24, 2017 at 5:44 pm | #

          Speak for yourself. I want my pizza!

    • nightsbridge
      nightsbridge
      August 24, 2017 at 10:04 am | #

      Rachel was chewing at the bit to scream at Ruth the whole time. She tried to jump on Ruth and yell at her before she realized her brother was in the room with her. I don’t know if Ruth’s choice to make the apology public changed a thing.

  71. Varangian
    Varangian
    August 24, 2017 at 4:47 am | #

    Peter please walk into the sea

    • Varangian
      Varangian
      August 24, 2017 at 4:48 am | #

      Sierra! Aw yiss.

  72. Tolmec Astronaut
    Tolmec Astronaut
    August 24, 2017 at 5:07 am | #

    What does “neder issar” mean? Google is failing me.

  73. Bluebird
    Bluebird
    August 24, 2017 at 5:57 am | #

    Grav roulette works like this???

  74. Guest42
    Guest42
    August 24, 2017 at 6:09 am | #

    The only couple that combines PDA with judging others.

    • podian
      podian
      August 24, 2017 at 6:26 am | #

      Public Displays of Judgement?

      • Guest42
        Guest42
        August 24, 2017 at 10:52 am | #

        Sounds about right

      • Vivid Grim
        Vivid Grim
        August 24, 2017 at 11:19 am | #

        Public Displays of Faith, or PDF,

        • Bagge
          Bagge
          August 24, 2017 at 2:00 pm | #

          It will never change

  75. Tyramisu
    Tyramisu
    August 24, 2017 at 6:54 am | #

    Am I the only one that when The Spawns of Unholy Filth do have sex, Peter goes all “Puritan” on Mary and drops her because she’s a Woman of Sin who Tempted his Male Purity with her Evil Biblical First Sin?

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 7:15 am | #

      My personal favoured theory is that Peter just wants to be the one to deflower a ‘Christian girl’ and is simply parodying the things that Mary wants to hear (and it’s a shame that she so lacks self-awareness that she literally doesn’t notice that he’s mocking her). Once he has his goal, he’ll drop her and move on to find a new ‘conquest’.

      It’s what happens with Mary then that will determine much about the character and her relationships with those around her.

      • Vulcanodon
        Vulcanodon
        August 24, 2017 at 7:34 am | #

        That’s the vibe I got. Peter reminds me of an episode of Night Court where a sexual predator was telling the naive lawyer whatever she wanted to hear. She was on cloud nine headed toward marriage while he was getting ready to notch his bedpost. The whole thing was stopped by the sleazy guy lawyer spotted the ruse and warned her.

        • Vulcanodon
          Vulcanodon
          August 24, 2017 at 7:48 am | #

          Just realized I could imagine later Ruth talking Mary down off the ledge.

        • StClair
          StClair
          August 24, 2017 at 12:22 pm | #

          Dan Fielding was quite the piece of work, but every now and then he could circle back around to doing the right thing.

      • Kryss LaBryn
        Kryss LaBryn
        August 24, 2017 at 8:00 am | #

        The only thing is that with Joe’s reaction in the last panel, I’d guess that he really is usually like this. Or like Mary. Because if it was all just an act and he actually wasn’t this annoying on a regular basis, I doubt Joe would care about whether or not the girls kept him.

        • TemperaryObsessor
          TemperaryObsessor
          August 24, 2017 at 12:04 pm | #

          Yea I actually think if Peter was known for using dishonesty to get what he wants like if he was pretending to be Christian to get in Mary’s pants Joe would dislike him but wouldn’t want to inflict him on the girls dorm.

    • Arioch
      Arioch
      August 24, 2017 at 8:07 am | #

      If I remember correctly, and I think it’s been mentioned recently here too, in the other comic, they got pregnant from premarital sex and I am guessing that will happen again. Whether he is just mocking her to get in her pants and will drop her or blame her or what he will do beyond that point – no idea. I do think he seems even douche-ier (is that a word?) this time if possible.
      So, I am thinking that if things do not exactly go like previous incarnations, the change may be that Peter dumps pregnant Mary. Or, like BenRG pointed out this may just be a case of dropping her after he makes his conquest. In which case, there may not be a pregnancy story line. We may get both. Who knows?
      Also… Grav Check… Who did I get?

      • BenRG
        BenRG
        August 24, 2017 at 8:22 am | #

        Dotty!

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 24, 2017 at 12:44 pm | #

        IIRC, Willis has spoken pretty harshly about his choices in that IW! storyline, so I doubt the pregnancy thing will happen again. If it does, it’ll be because he came up with some better way to do it – making it not punishment for hypocritical permarital sex.

  76. LWS
    LWS
    August 24, 2017 at 7:11 am | #

    At my sister’s college (all-women) there was a group that honestly called themselves the “God Squad” and acted just as obnoxious as Mary and Prick (oops…Peter).

  77. Zoe
    Zoe
    August 24, 2017 at 7:32 am | #

    Wanted to make a “Mary/Peter/Paul threesome” joke but based on other comments that joke is probably dead already so I’m basically onky commenting to see if my gravatar is Blowjob Cat.

  78. Sam
    Sam
    August 24, 2017 at 7:40 am | #

    Joe actually used her name, progress.

  79. Vulcanodon
    Vulcanodon
    August 24, 2017 at 7:46 am | #

    Panel 5 Rachel is looking reflective. Has she been thinking about her awfulness at the dorm meeting? Or generally some thing she now wants to do differently in the future?

  80. Shmid
    Shmid
    August 24, 2017 at 7:48 am | #

    I’m very curious to find out what “mistakes” Rachel is living with that have got her eyes looking so emotional.
    She reminds me of a friend who had an abortion when she was pretty young, so that’s what I’m leaning. Towards in the back of my mind.

  81. Rectilinear Propagation
    Rectilinear Propagation
    August 24, 2017 at 7:55 am | #

    Huh.

    So Rachel is rejecting Joe’s apology but she isn’t subjecting him to a huge “you can never change” rant. She also isn’t looking him in the eyes.

    The last time we saw Rachel she was yelling at them for accusing her of leaking the list. So if something has happened with her since then, we didn’t see it.

    I don’t know if it’s just that she sees what Joe did as less bad or that she doesn’t feel like yelling at him again.

    Mary & Peter: There’s something particularly irritating about someone who thinks they’re insulting you when really they’re just going on about something you don’t even agree with and/or care about.

    It’s kind of bizarre really that people like this honestly think that other people would agree that they’re going to heaven. I’d think they’d just roll their eyes at anyone telling them that they aren’t so I don’t know why they think this would work the other way around.

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      August 24, 2017 at 8:23 am | #

      I’ve said this elsewhere but I am getting an “unforgiving and unforgiven” vibe from Rachel. Maybe she’s got a red mark (even if only in her own mind) somewhere in her past and, as she can’t forgive herself, she can’t extend that to anyone else. To me, her avoiding Joe’s eyes was shame that he is attempting to change when she feels herself beyond redemption.

      • StClair
        StClair
        August 24, 2017 at 12:23 pm | #

        Sounds about right to me.

  82. BenRG
    BenRG
    August 24, 2017 at 8:40 am | #

    Apologises for SPAM post – Alternate Gravitar test

  83. BenRG
    BenRG
    August 24, 2017 at 8:40 am | #

    Alternate Gravitar 2 test

  84. hof1991
    hof1991
    August 24, 2017 at 8:54 am | #

    Ugh. Performative Christianity. Like a mirror image of its founder.

    • Vivid Grim
      Vivid Grim
      August 24, 2017 at 11:23 am | #

      …Jesus was performative? I… guess I can see that

  85. Valerie
    Valerie
    August 24, 2017 at 8:55 am | #

    Let’s see who I get this time…

    • Valerie
      Valerie
      August 24, 2017 at 8:55 am | #

      OH HELL NO LET’S TRY AGAIN

      • Valerie
        Valerie
        August 24, 2017 at 8:56 am | #

        Ehhhh, a little better, but…

        • Valerie
          Valerie
          August 24, 2017 at 8:57 am | #

          Hmmm…

  86. Valerie
    Valerie
    August 24, 2017 at 8:57 am | #

    …….

    • Valerie
      Valerie
      August 24, 2017 at 8:58 am | #

      Sorry for the clutter, everybody, I just really want a good character.

      • Valerie
        Valerie
        August 24, 2017 at 9:00 am | #

        .

        • Valerie
          Valerie
          August 24, 2017 at 9:01 am | #

          ?

          • Valerie
            Valerie
            August 24, 2017 at 9:01 am | #

            ??

            • Valerie
              Valerie
              August 24, 2017 at 9:02 am | #

              ???

              • Valerie
                Valerie
                August 24, 2017 at 9:02 am | #

                ????

                • Valerie
                  Valerie
                  August 24, 2017 at 9:03 am | #

                  I keep getting characters that I don’t know, and it’s making me feel like a terrible fan.

                • Valerie
                  Valerie
                  August 24, 2017 at 9:04 am | #

                  .

                • Valerie
                  Valerie
                  August 24, 2017 at 9:05 am | #

                  Okay, Galasso. I can work with that. 😀

                • Roborat
                  Roborat
                  August 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm | #

                  Watching these gravatar roulette threads is quite entertaining. Sir Willis should do this every month or so.

                • podian
                  podian
                  August 25, 2017 at 5:07 am | #

                  At some point it would have been faster to set up your own gravatar.

  87. shammers
    shammers
    August 24, 2017 at 9:26 am | #

    Just when I thought Mary couldn’t get more obnoxious

  88. Gaia
    Gaia
    August 24, 2017 at 9:30 am | #

    Taste?
    This disturbs me greatly.

  89. 0kami
    0kami
    August 24, 2017 at 9:46 am | #

    I’m hoping to see more of our two favorite goofball couple soon.

    Also, curious as to what new gravatar I’ve got…

  90. Josie Brenda
    Josie Brenda
    August 24, 2017 at 9:52 am | #

    Kind of cool that he knew the term “neder issar”. If you didn’t go to yeshivah, you likely wouldn’t know it.

  91. Emperor Norton II
    Emperor Norton II
    August 24, 2017 at 10:17 am | #

    Previously, I have said this of Rachel:

    I think that Rachel blowing up on Ruth was a result of bad phrasing rather than what she truly meant. That what she tried to say was that -quick- redemption is a fake story, something that doesn’t exist. That one apology is supposed to make up for it all. That a promise to be better is all that’s needed… Those are usually the elements in typical redemption stories, and they are also what makes such stories false. True redemption takes a hell of a lot more than that.

    Those were my words, and I am feeling even more confident in them now. Beause now we get to see Rachel when she’s not having the initial (and 100% justified) anger over the whole situation. So when Joe apologised, instead of blowing up on him, we get these words:

    “We all have to live with our mistakes.”

    What mistakes have you done that you have to live with, Rachel? Or what mistakes were done to you personally that whoever did to you basically got away with?

    Because now, Rachel, I think I can see why you don’t believe in quick redemption. I can see you carrying the mistakes that happened in your life with you, every day.

    Whether it was your own mistakes, and your guilt doesn’t allow you to live it down.

    Or whether it was something done to you that whoever did it got away with far too easily, using the quick redemption tropes to get back into the good graces of people. People that should have had your back and denied them the ease of their redemption, making them truly work for it and earn it.

    But at the same time, you’re not having the initial anger that, however justified, could lead you to choose your words poorly like you did with Ruth. You’re still upset with Joe, that much is clear, but you’re also choosing to give him a more gentle reminder that quick redemption is not easily happening. I would not blame you for still shouting at him, but I am proud of you for not doing it.

    And Joe… I remain cautiously optimistic about you.

    Because for one thing, that was an actual apology; and one that you initiated on your own. You did not try to defer any blame in any way. You fully accepted that what you did was not funny. You admitted that your idea of the whole list was a wrong idea.

    It might still look a bit… being disarming rather than regretful, I could say. But that’s part of who you currently are, and at least for those of us who knows about your conversation with Joyce, we are capable of seeing how her words clearly reached you. For now, it’ll do.

    But we’ll be sure to keep you to your promise.

    • dethtoll
      dethtoll
      August 24, 2017 at 10:25 am | #

      I think you’re giving Rachel the benefit of the doubt that she isn’t giving Ruth. There’s really no quibbling on her phrasing in that scene, she made it very clear she meant what she said. She had every right to be angry with Ruth, and every right to be distrustful of Ruth’s announcement and promises to improve. But what she said crossed a line from righteous anger to straight-up abuse, and while I maintain that there is no background that would excuse her from what she said, there’s at least a hint that it’s not coming from nowhere.

      • Emperor Norton II
        Emperor Norton II
        August 24, 2017 at 10:31 am | #

        “But what she said crossed a line from righteous anger to straight-up abuse”

        I disagree strongly on that. For one thing, what Ruth had been doing to Rachel and the other women in the wing, now -that- was straight-up abuse. Some harsh words about redemption being false doesn’t come anywhere near close to that.

        I mean, from -our- point of view, we know that Ruth’s actually truly regretting all she did. From our point of view, we know that she’s actually trying very hard to be better and to make up for her bad shit. From our point of view, we know that Ruth is under no illusions whatsoever that this will be a quick and painless process. From our point of view, Ruth is attempting to redeem herself the right way.

        But Rachel never had our knowledge, and from where she was standing, it looked suspiciously similar to a “quick redemption story”. And that’s what she reacted to.

        And I don’t blame her for that. I don’t even blame her for not coming across as more nuanced in that moment. I just wish she had the knowledge we readers have.

        • dethtoll
          dethtoll
          August 24, 2017 at 10:43 am | #

          Nah fam. I invite you to go back and read that strip.

          While you’re not wrong that Ruth was an abusive bully, it’s also a known fact to the dorm that she’d just gotten out of suicide watch. There are some things you just don’t say to someone who’s a risk for suicide — and telling them that they’ll never ever be a better person is one of them.

          But even outside of that context, it’s a fucked up, abusive thing to say. It’s crossing a line. If you don’t agree that it is, well, I don’t know what to tell you.

          • Emperor Norton II
            Emperor Norton II
            August 24, 2017 at 11:08 am | #

            So you don’t think I looked at that strip before I wrote those words, huh? Nice moment of being patronizing there, “fam”.

            I’ll admit that Ruth coming out of suicide watch makes it worse. Quite a lot worse.

            But fucked up outside that context? Sorry, but no. Outside of that context Rachel is giving Ruth an extremely clear message that she’ll no longer tolerate any abuse whatsoever. Because that’s what she expects is going to happen. Because that -is- what often happens in real life.

            • dethtoll
              dethtoll
              August 24, 2017 at 11:42 am | #

              There’s a world of difference between “I don’t believe your apology and I don’t trust your motives” and “you will never ever be a good person because redemption isn’t real.” Even without the suicide watch thing — which Rachel KNEW about — it’s not a nice thing to hear.

              I’m sorry you thought I was being patronizing, but to be quite frank I’m not really in the mood to placate your feelings when you’re sitting there telling me what Rachel said was totally okay and not a shitty thing at all.

              • Emperor Norton II
                Emperor Norton II
                August 24, 2017 at 11:49 am | #

                “I’m not really in the mood to placate your feelings when you’re sitting there telling me what Rachel said was totally okay and not a shitty thing at all.”

                And now you’re just straight up lying about what I said, because I never said it was totally Ok and not at all shitty.

                So I kindly invite you to just fuck off.

                • dethtoll
                  dethtoll
                  August 24, 2017 at 11:55 am | #

                  Fucking off, then.

                  Good luck on getting your jimmies unrustled, I hear it’s an outpatient procedure these days.

        • blergh
          blergh
          August 24, 2017 at 12:21 pm | #

          I totally see where you’re coming from, and I get exactly why Rachel reacted the way she did (even without the backstory w’re sure to get that fuels those motives more), but I do think it was tremendously dangerous to respond to someone the day they get back from a psychiatric stay/suicide watch with a speech about how they are bad and will always be that way. I like Rachel and want to see more from her, but it’s hard for me to brush that aside as justified (though obviously the anger is earned and Ruth is owed no forgiveness for her earlier actions).

          • Emperor Norton II
            Emperor Norton II
            August 24, 2017 at 1:05 pm | #

            True, and that may be why I’m feeling really confident that there is a background of abuse in Rachel’s past. I’m open to her being the abuser, but for now, I think it more likely that she was being abused. Over a long period of time.

            Maybe even to the point of becoming suicidal.

            “But wouldn’t that make her -less- likely to cross the line with Ruth, then?” you might ask.

            Well, here’s the thing: -If- she was abused to the point of being suicidal, that may only have fueled her ire against abusers in general. -Especially- is the abusers got away with it. Heck, I think it’s likely that they promised not to do it again… And then did it again.

            And in the strip before her “redemption is a story” speech, she talks about how Ruth gets to keep her job and her girlfriend, despite abusing both. So then, in Rachel’s mind, the same thing is happening all over again.

            Reliving such a moment, I don’t think she is able to give a damn about Ruth’s situation. If, as I think, she’s basically having her darkest moments relived in that meeting; she’s getting filled with rage about how once again, abused people gets nothing but the shit end of the deal.

            In such a moment of rage, I’d venture that Rachel looks at Ruth and sees the former abuser(s) in her life.

            And I think that she wishes that her former abuser(s) were dead.

            And that’s why she stepped over the line.

          • Spencer
            Spencer
            August 24, 2017 at 1:17 pm | #

            I mean if we can forgive Ruth for rampant abuse and actual sexual assault I don’t think it’s impossible to acknowledge that, while badly timed, Rachel lashing out at her is small potatoes.

            • Emperor Norton II
              Emperor Norton II
              August 24, 2017 at 1:53 pm | #

              I think it is because we actually know Ruth’s full story (or at least enough of it to easily infer the rest without making major mistakes) that we can forgive her.

              Because no matter how you slice it, I am guessing at Rachel right now with my posts. I do think that I am making reasonable guesses, but they are still guesses. And without having anything real to go on as far as Rachel’s background, it’s much harder to see where she’s actually coming from.

            • blergh
              blergh
              August 25, 2017 at 9:54 am | #

              I wasn’t saying I think Rachel is a huge monster or anything and wasn’t trying to play the degrees game. I feel like a lot of people are able to “forgive” Ruth, or at least move past her past, because we have backstory that feeds into them, she’s accepting of her own faults, and there is a clear will to change and be better. I’m sure we’ll get backstory from Rachel too. I’m not trying to say I think Rachel lashing out was the end of the line for me. I just think it was dangerous/unwise. It also makes me nervous about whatever it is Rachel has gone through…

    • Scar Man!!!
      Scar Man!!!
      August 24, 2017 at 11:33 am | #

      Plus, a Nider Issar is pretty serious. He’s vowing to never take enjoyment from objectifying women ever again.

      • Scar Man!!!
        Scar Man!!!
        August 24, 2017 at 11:38 am | #

        Neder Issar

    • TemperaryObsessor
      TemperaryObsessor
      August 24, 2017 at 9:31 pm | #

      Change for the better takes time and effort and is not easy. People can often overestimate their own willingness to put in the effort. People can also outright lie about their willingness to put in the effort while putting in a token effort to avoid facing the consequences of their actions both by deceiving those they hurt and getting third parties on their side.
      Also Rachel is not required to disregard where the relationship started because often people can’t see how messed up a relationship they are in is until sometime after it ends that’s part of how abuse works. And faking willingness to change can be an abuse tactic.
      Ruth didn’t lose her position which she used to bully people or her relationship which started with her using her position of authority to pull Billie’s pigtails. I don’t really believe people should require Rachel to play nice with Ruth because of Ruth’s personal issues considering Ruth bullied the entire floor including Rachel, Ruth is likely faking chage, and nobody is giving Rachel a fair chance to leave the situation without major financial loss.
      That being said what Rachel said is not likely to help the situation. Calling Billie an abuse victim with Stockholm syndrome would be more likely to make Billie double down in an abusive relationship. Saying people don’t really change will not encourage Ruth to try to change. Worst of all Ruth was not the only one hurt by what she said Rachel accidently told Billie that she is not able to be better than poison which will drag down anybody but Ruth, Joyce that she was every bit the bigot she started the school year as and would never get better, Amber that she couldn’t learn to control her anger, and Mary that at the end of the day people either are good or they are not. If Rachel meant that she believed that consistently making the decisions needed for positive change was harder than it sounds when you decide to change, or that Ruth is only lying to avoid consequences she really should have been more specific.

  92. Riss
    Riss
    August 24, 2017 at 10:20 am | #

    in what fresh hell did Mary even find Peter

  93. dethtoll
    dethtoll
    August 24, 2017 at 10:21 am | #

    But why would they want Peter?

    I say just put him in a trebuchet and let God handle the rest.

    • dethtoll
      dethtoll
      August 24, 2017 at 10:22 am | #

      … Eh, I can live with Raidah.

      (how DO you change your gravatar anyway)

      • Kamino Neko
        Kamino Neko
        August 24, 2017 at 11:07 am | #

        Do you want to set a gravatar or play gravatar roulette?

        In the former case, the link is to the right of the name field.

        In the latter, you just change the capitalization of your email, which is what gets hashed to determine what you get.

        • dethtoll
          dethtoll
          August 24, 2017 at 11:09 am | #

          It was the latter. Thank you!

    • Emperor Norton II
      Emperor Norton II
      August 24, 2017 at 10:28 am | #

      Trebuchet? What are you, a complete barbarian?!?!?

      I say we tie them to a log and use a ballista.

      • Clif
        Clif
        August 24, 2017 at 10:50 am | #

        Why yes, I’m a complete barbarian. Also trebuchets are so cool.

        • Emperor Norton II
          Emperor Norton II
          August 24, 2017 at 1:38 pm | #

          Why, I oughta… No wait, you’re right, trebuchets are cool.

  94. Scar Man!!!
    Scar Man!!!
    August 24, 2017 at 11:29 am | #

    Damn you Willis and your fundie history. I’m so embarrassed that I, as a Jew with years of Hebrew School and the occasional Talmud session, had no idea about the various “Nidres” and you did. I really need to up my Talmud game, but it’s so boring

    That said, is Joe’s family more observant than they seem? Neither he nor his father seemed the Talmud-studying type, and they sure don’t teach that in Conservative or Reform Hebrew schools pre-Bar Mitzvah (maybe in orthodox day schools.)

    • RacingTurtle
      RacingTurtle
      August 24, 2017 at 8:46 pm | #

      Maybe Joe’s mom is more observant?

      • Scar Man!!!
        Scar Man!!!
        August 24, 2017 at 9:52 pm | #

        That could work. Heck, maybe his dad isn’t even Jewish

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      August 24, 2017 at 9:39 pm | #

      Talmud is fascinating and hilarious if you have a good teacher and/or stick to the awesomer stories. Check out Beruriah sometime, the ancient feminist who routinely outsmarts all the male rabbis. She was very probably a real person, and very polarizing, for obvious reasons. There are two kinds of stories about her, suggesting that some rabbis were mad threatened by her scholarly snark and wanted to see her punished, and some thought she was the best ever because they were correct.

  95. Scar Man!!!
    Scar Man!!!
    August 24, 2017 at 11:41 am | #

    Also, allow me to say: FUCKING GOYIM! Oh, they do give me such headaches

    • Scar Man!!!
      Scar Man!!!
      August 24, 2017 at 11:43 am | #

      “Oy” not “Oh”. Damn antisemitic autocorrect

      • StClair
        StClair
        August 24, 2017 at 12:30 pm | #

        Quite the tsuris.

        • Scar Man!!!
          Scar Man!!!
          August 24, 2017 at 4:28 pm | #

          I learned a new Yiddish word today😁

  96. RaisonDetriment
    RaisonDetriment
    August 24, 2017 at 11:41 am | #

    As a struggling Christian, I wish I lived in this comic for two reasons.

    To be someone Joyce could talk to

    And to dress down that friggin’ monster Mary and her asshat boytoy.

  97. nlips
    nlips
    August 24, 2017 at 11:43 am | #

    I’ve always said that there is somebody out there who’s right for everyone…

    …but sometimes I wish I was wrong. 😛

  98. Regalli
    Regalli
    August 24, 2017 at 12:51 pm | #

    Thing that just occurred to me – while it’s likely Rachel’s mistakes line is referring to past experience pre-strip, I’m wondering if she also knows Amber was responsible for the stabbing, and if so made the connection between the scared looking girl at the meeting and what happened next. If so that might explain why her stance is somewhat softened.

    • Spencer
      Spencer
      August 24, 2017 at 12:59 pm | #

      I feel that if Rachel knew about Amber she wouldn’t have said “redemption is a story” at her since, well, Amber doesn’t need to redeem herself.

      It’s not like Ruth actually doing awful shit and trying to grow out of it. Amber had bad shit done to her and is misguidedly believing it’s her fault.

      • Regalli
        Regalli
        August 24, 2017 at 1:40 pm | #

        Yeah, I’m certain if Rachel had been more aware of her audience and their tendencies to internalize that sort of thing (Amber and Joyce both) she would probably have edited herself more. … Though given she gave that speech to someone the day they got out of suicide watch, who knows. (I get that Ruth was an awful RA who had no business keeping the job, but seriously do you WANT someone immediately going back to self-harming on your conscience?)

        But especially since Amber’s past crimes are all a response to abuse and goading (particularly the convenience store stabbing) and she absolutely considers herself Bad because of it, you’d REALLY want to avoid her ending up in the splash damage.

  99. Shariku
    Shariku
    August 24, 2017 at 1:23 pm | #

    So does the removal of the wrist bands pretty much cancel any theories that were going out there about Mary potentially self-harming herself, or has enough time gone by that these would have essentially healed?

    • Regalli
      Regalli
      August 24, 2017 at 2:53 pm | #

      I mean, with Vitamin E and if it were three years ago, maybe… but I think that theory’s sunk, yeah. (I don’t know what the healing rate would be with that kind of self harm scarring, but I’m pretty sure there would still be something there.)

    • chiscii
      chiscii
      August 24, 2017 at 8:53 pm | #

      Not to be Like That but the wristbands have been gone for a while. That’s definitely a theory gone down the drain. But on that note, doesn’t it seem like Rachel’s current arc is shaping up to be what Mary’s arc could have been had Willis confirmed that theory? Rachel’s mentality of ‘There is No Redemption’ plus living with your mistakes sounds analogous to Mary’s ‘There is No Divine Forgiveness’ plus living with your own vulnerability, which is how I interpreted the theory. Hm… 🤔

  100. AgentKeen
    AgentKeen
    August 24, 2017 at 2:00 pm | #

    Ew Ew Ew

  101. wakeangel2001
    wakeangel2001
    August 24, 2017 at 2:01 pm | #

    The comic is totally innocent, but it personally disturbed me because it reminded me of the story of the woman who murdered her children because she was afraid if they lived any longer they might sin and not get into heaven.

    • Scar Man!!!
      Scar Man!!!
      August 24, 2017 at 4:37 pm | #

      Mental Correlation is a scary game

  102. MightyPinto
    MightyPinto
    August 24, 2017 at 2:31 pm | #

    I have nothing helpful or intelligent to say; I just wanna see what my new assigned grav is

    • AKP
      AKP
      August 24, 2017 at 3:05 pm | #

      Same.

    • Whammy
      Whammy
      August 24, 2017 at 4:19 pm | #

      I can say good on Joe for starting on being better and that the last panel there makes me shiver a little bit. But otherwise, Same.

  103. Ragingagnostic
    Ragingagnostic
    August 24, 2017 at 3:02 pm | #

    Challenge accepted, Peter and Mary. (cocks gun)

  104. Paul F
    Paul F
    August 24, 2017 at 4:03 pm | #

    I remember hoping at the beginning of the chapter that Mary had learned her lesson in not being a assbag jerkface. Damn me for wanting to see the best in people.

    • Kole
      Kole
      August 24, 2017 at 9:26 pm | #

      considering Willis’ experience with the hyper religious there’s no way we’d see that transition without some behind the scenes. Also, most christians are unfortunately not Joyce in that they’re never going to stop being elitist pricks.

  105. Amazi-Stool
    Amazi-Stool
    August 24, 2017 at 4:30 pm | #

    Wait! I got it!

    Rachel was the one who introduced Peter to Mary!

  106. V.
    V.
    August 24, 2017 at 4:42 pm | #

    I haven’t commented in a while.. I’m just here to see which new gravatar I got, and to say : fuck Mary and Peter

    • V.
      V.
      August 24, 2017 at 4:45 pm | #

      eeeeehhh-

      I was really hoping for like, Carla, or Jocelyne.. or y’know, a girl. Any girl

      I’m gonna draw my own again screw it

  107. Phantom
    Phantom
    August 24, 2017 at 5:05 pm | #

    Don’t mind me, just posting to see my new grav

    • Phantom
      Phantom
      August 24, 2017 at 5:05 pm | #

      Dammit! I’m Mary’s boyfriend?! Bongo!

      • Phantom
        Phantom
        August 24, 2017 at 5:06 pm | #

        Please be different this time

        • Phantom
          Phantom
          August 24, 2017 at 5:06 pm | #

          Crap its even worse! I’m the bongo herself!

          • autogatos
            autogatos
            August 24, 2017 at 5:17 pm | #

            This is the most amazing comment thread ever.

            • autogatos
              autogatos
              August 24, 2017 at 5:20 pm | #

              Aww I miss being Carla.

              • autogatos
                autogatos
                August 24, 2017 at 5:21 pm | #

                But this is an acceptable alternative.

      • Phantom
        Phantom
        August 24, 2017 at 5:07 pm | #

        Last try. Luck be my friend.

        • Phantom
          Phantom
          August 24, 2017 at 5:07 pm | #

          Better than nothing

  108. Mr.Morningstar
    Mr.Morningstar
    August 24, 2017 at 5:26 pm | #

    you names him Peter because Joseph was too on the nose wasnt it?

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      August 24, 2017 at 9:47 pm | #

      His last name is Paul. As in Peter Paul & Mary. (Not to mention Mindiana and Les Bean.) Willis is clearly happy to embrace pun names.

  109. Tenn
    Tenn
    August 24, 2017 at 5:36 pm | #

    God: “THAT CAN BE ARRANGED.” *whisks Peter and Mary away from the mortal realm*

    It turned out that God’s Judgment is just a huge, held-in-for-ten-hours hangover fart. If you’re still standing, you pass.

  110. Scar Man!!!
    Scar Man!!!
    August 24, 2017 at 5:58 pm | #

    Shameless grav roulette post

  111. Aprion
    Aprion
    August 24, 2017 at 6:13 pm | #

    Go play in a fire, Mary.

  112. Vx
    Vx
    August 24, 2017 at 6:14 pm | #

    Joe’s a flawed guy but I don’t think he’s an inherently bad one.

    Kind of stating the obvious here, but, well. Yeah.

    • Vx
      Vx
      August 24, 2017 at 6:14 pm | #

      Not a fan of that gravatar, let’s see.

      • Vx
        Vx
        August 24, 2017 at 6:15 pm | #

        Much better.

    • Puckish Rogue
      Puckish Rogue
      August 24, 2017 at 8:57 pm | #

      Could probably insert most of the characters names in there and it’d still work

  113. Smooti
    Smooti
    August 24, 2017 at 6:33 pm | #

    Makes me wonder if Joe was ever a Boy Scout. I’m sure he’d have hated it.

    Also, I know Rachel’s Jewish, but what’s her last name? Was that ever stated in Walkyverse and I just forgot it?

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      August 24, 2017 at 7:48 pm | #

      Her last name is Jackson.

  114. BP
    BP
    August 24, 2017 at 7:26 pm | #

    Rachel’s thing is really interesting me…

    • BP
      BP
      August 24, 2017 at 7:27 pm | #

      AGH MY BEAUTIFUL JOCELYNE GRAVATAR

      WHERE DID IT GO

      • BP
        BP
        August 24, 2017 at 7:37 pm | #

        Testing for a new avatar, I would rather not have Mary ew

        • BP
          BP
          August 24, 2017 at 7:37 pm | #

          Spencer … must be a character who hasn’t appeared yet. Still better than Mary so far. 🙂

    • BP
      BP
      August 24, 2017 at 7:46 pm | #

      Anyway, as I was saying before I got distracted, I really want to know more about Rachel. She’s so enigmatic and I really wanna know what makes her the way she is about people and forgiveness and redemption.

  115. BP
    BP
    August 24, 2017 at 7:40 pm | #

    Just adding to this as well, Peter and Mary are still a gross couple. But I’m less convinced he’s faking it. Nobody fakes THIS much of their personality for sex. Also, what Joe says cements that Peter’s always been awful.

    • BP
      BP
      August 24, 2017 at 7:41 pm | #

      Raidah, huh … yeah I think I’ll stick with Spencer.

    • Regalli
      Regalli
      August 24, 2017 at 8:48 pm | #

      Agreed, I think he was their wing’s That Guy.

  116. Toes14
    Toes14
    August 24, 2017 at 7:41 pm | #

    Tonight, Mary finds out that ‘Peter’ tastes slightly salty . . .

  117. t_wanderer
    t_wanderer
    August 24, 2017 at 8:19 pm | #

    Testing Avatar, etc. Since I don’t believe in no-content posts: this is seriously one of the best webcomic forums I’ve seen. Most webcomics I read, (about 40 now) I’ve abandoned the comments sections entirely. Everyone here gets +1 internets for being pretty not terrible.

  118. ischemgeek
    ischemgeek
    August 24, 2017 at 8:39 pm | #

    I feel really bad for Rachel here. Cuz on one hand yay Joe for finally seeming to start to get it a bit. On the other hand, maybe I’m a cynical bastard but my brain would be going “AAAAAA” or “What’s the catch?” on repeat.

    OTOH, Yay that joe finally seemed to get the hint that he’s being Creeper McCreepazoid.

  119. Puckish Rogue
    Puckish Rogue
    August 24, 2017 at 8:52 pm | #

    I see it a little differently, if we look at the apology Joe is giving compared to the apology Ruth gave there is some differences and that’s why I think this going well for them

    Joe doesn’t just say the words, he looks genuinely apologetic and sincere and what hes saying is also good, he explains what he was doing and understands why it was wrong and I think that Rachel is reacting to that (along with some left over guilt of course)

    Now I’m sure Ruth was sincere as well but it probably came across as forced (not her fault of course) and combined with the raised fists of Billie and the amount of abusing Ruth did (and length of time she did the abusing) I’m not too surprised Rachel didn’t react well to Ruth and that shes reacting well to Joe

    I think Joes doing well here but of course hes not perfect and he’ll regress every now and then but hes well on his way to being a good dude and Rachel…well I now want to know what secrets shes hiding

    Also Mary is looking pretty foxy in that last panel

  120. Spongegirl Circleskirt
    Spongegirl Circleskirt
    August 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm | #

    Don’t mind me. Just doing the gravatar gravy dance too…

    • Spongegirl Circleskirt
      Spongegirl Circleskirt
      August 24, 2017 at 10:24 pm | #

      One more

      • Spongegirl Circleskirt
        Spongegirl Circleskirt
        August 24, 2017 at 10:25 pm | #

        🙂

  121. Spongegirl Circleskirt
    Spongegirl Circleskirt
    August 24, 2017 at 10:25 pm | #

    Again!!!

  122. Paul
    Paul
    August 24, 2017 at 11:44 pm | #

    Yes! Joyce!

  123. Beef
    Beef
    August 24, 2017 at 11:51 pm | #

    Why’s Rachel so accepting of this apology but not Ruth’s?

    • Emperor Norton II
      Emperor Norton II
      August 24, 2017 at 11:56 pm | #

      Very short guess: She’s already had a confrontation with Joe where she got to vent out, and so I believe her anger about him had probably subsided a bit.

      But I think the full reason won’t be known until we hear Rachel’s story.

      • Beef
        Beef
        August 25, 2017 at 12:01 am | #

        Good point, I hope we get her backstory soon

    • Beef
      Beef
      August 25, 2017 at 12:01 am | #

      Hey why am I not Dina anymore 🙁

      • Emperor Norton II
        Emperor Norton II
        August 25, 2017 at 1:07 am | #

        Willis recently redid the whole “random avatar” thing for everyone who did not have a custom avatar.

  124. Vi
    Vi
    August 25, 2017 at 3:06 am | #

    AS A JEWISH PERSON I AM HERE TO SAY: FRIGGIN GENTILES INDEED THANKS JOE.

    Also what the FUCK is eating Rachel?

    • Stevecharb
      Stevecharb
      August 25, 2017 at 9:38 am | #

      This passive-aggressive proselytization is a recipe for tsuris. Mary keeps finding new ways to be the worst.

  125. Liliet
    Liliet
    August 26, 2017 at 8:10 am | #

    good job Joe!!!

  126. ugh
    ugh
    September 2, 2017 at 7:50 am | #

    Grav roulette, plx ignore

    • ugh
      ugh
      September 2, 2017 at 7:51 am | #

      asd

  127. ugh
    ugh
    September 2, 2017 at 7:51 am | #

    I guess this will do!

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