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In the first episode, Faz and Joe team up in River City where, having discovered the newly installed pool table in the billiard parlor, break into song in the city center. The Rivercityzians Tweet out video of the song, and the POTUS flies in to bankroll Joe’s and Faz’s plan to establish a River City beauty pageant, to be judged by the boys of the town. This, according to Faz will help to develop the boys into Woke young men—just like their hero, Faz.
I mean, I want to punch Joe in the faaace, but now, to do so, I would need to touch Faz. Either to shove him out of the way, or to simply punch through him, I would have to touch Faz, and that makes me stop.
Would Faz actually be considered Joe’s step-brother? He’s tangentially related to Amber because they share a (step-)father, but Joe would fall into Amber’s family via his dad marrying Amber’s mom. So Faz would be his… brother twice removed? Or something?
I’m also really confused about this. If Faz is Amber’s step brother, they aren’t blood relatives. So Amber’s dad married Faz’s mom, or has been living with her long enough that Amber is expected to consider Faz her step brother. If Amber’s mom marries Joe’s dad, Amber and Joe will be step-siblings but Faz and Joe will be completely unrelated. In fact, even if Faz was Amber’s half brother instead of step, he still wouldn’t be any relation to Joe because Faz and Amber share a different half.
Well, Amber is more familiar with the details of the situation than we are. What if there are things we don’t know or assumptions we are making based on the previous universe.
More likely she’s just speaking loosely.
If we were making assumptions based on the previous universe we would be assuming they were half-siblings and damned if I know what that would make Joe and Faz.
“Once removed,” “twice removed,” etc., are technical terms relating to differences in generations. (Your dad’s cousins are your cousins once removed. Insert Henny Youngman joke here.)
I don’t know if there yet exists a nomenclature for blended families that have been formed through multiple blends. But if Richard and Stacy get married, then Stacy will Joe’s stepmother in addition to being Faz’s stepmother. “Stepbrother” is easier, if less precise, than “stepmother’s stepson.”
Nope, Stacy doesn’t get to be Faz’ stepmother because her ex married Faz’ mom.
Is there a word for your step-siblings’ step-siblings? They are not related by blood to any same person, but somehow ….
I always thought cousin once removed was the same as second degree cousins, e.g. the same generation as you, but the common ancestors are the great-grandparents?
No, the removed refers to the number of generations that have been “removed” from one side of the divide (how many generation before a common ancestor), although the way the numbering works (the smaller generation number is used), it’s more like adding. This video helps explain it.
Someone asked me recently if you were considered to be related to your cousin’s cousin, e.g. your father’s brother’s son’s mother’s sister’s daughter.
I said no, and he said good, since apparently he rather likes his cousin’s cousin.
That said, a guy friend of mine shares a mother with woman A, who shares a father with woman B.
It’s been suggested to him that he’s not related by blood to his half-sister’s half-sister, so there’s nothing to stop him dating woman B. But he still *feels* related to her.
I’m teminded of an episode of “Asvenrurers in Wonderland” where the Mad Hatter revealed that he had an evil cousin named the Copy-cat Hatter (played by the same actor);
HATTER: He’s my second cousin, twice removed.
ALICE: Twice removed?
HATTER: Yeah, we kicked him out of the family once, but he came back, so we had to kick him out again!
I’m reminded of the episode of Animaniacs where they went to Anvilania and Yakko became king.
There was even a song about how he was related to the former king.
While that wouldn’t be the legal term that applies, whether they would have a sibling-esque relationship depends on the relationship between Stacy and Blaine. If the two are still on cordial terms and do joint family holidays and such, which is a thing in some cases, then at the very least, Joe and Faz would be expected to develop some kind of siblingish, or at the very least cousin-ish relationship. That being said, Joe is an adult, so he might be immune to that expectation.
Honestly, I’m not quite sure what’s going on here. What kind of relationship they have.
Faz and Amber are treating each other as pretty well acquainted step-siblings, which wasn’t the impression I’d gotten from his first appearance – though that might have been just that she was so focused on Blaine she didn’t have time to acknowledge Faz.
When she first sees Blaine she says she hasn’t seen him in years, so when did this sibling type relationship have a chance to develop?
I read their relationship more as cop(vigilante) and criminal – Amber considers Faz scum that it’s her responsibility to keep in custody and out of trouble, and Faz considers Amber little more than an impediment to his fun.
Same. I don’t see it as them being ‘well-acquainted’ at all because Faz blatantly states creepy things repeatedly out loud within five minutes of being seen. Most people related to such a person in some way even if not by blood would try to a) control such a person and b) try to get them back to whoever should be in charge of them.
I see it more like how uncles try to reign in nephews or older siblings try to reign in younger siblings or babysitters try to reign in kids generally – it doesn’t signify closeness or knowing each other well, just that the more mature/older one doesn’t want the younger/immature one to run rampant and bother other people.
I’m not suggesting they’re close friends or anything, just that Amber’s had sufficient exposure to Faz to know what to expect and to feel somewhat responsible. Exactly, like an older sibling as you suggest.
But if Amber really hasn’t seen Blaine in years, where did they pick up that sibling relationship? And how old was Faz years ago? Was he already a sexually creepy perv then?
This is more to do with being an engineering major, than anything else. We use to take turns, during Trig class, with the electrical people, staring daggers because this part of the class was “all their fault”, while the other group did the work with blindfolds on, behind their backs. Meanwhile, the math majors kept their heads down, hoping that we wouldn’t realize that it was really all their fault.
I don’t think they did. I did an archive binge on Shortpacked at one point, and Joe’s not really in it super often, I don’t recall him interacting with Faz. Mostly brushes with Ultra Car and a handful of others.
if I recall correctly Joe didn’t have brushes with Ultra Car so much as he invented Ultra Car and I think she even refers to him as her father because of it.
…oh Cheese. Now I’ve just pictured Carla calling Joe “Daddy” and I’m somewhat terrified. O.O;
Well, Shortpacked Joe is actually DOA Joe’s father, so you’d need to picture Carla calling Joe’s dad Daddy. Which, since Carla has been established as having a well off supportive family, is not something that we have to worry about.
Joe has practiced for years at being shallow and sleazy, which is not quite the same as being creepy, so even with his later start Faz has been able to make up ground and surpass him by being focused on the true goal.
Poor Joe. I can’t see him ever going back to his horn dog ways after this. I mean, I can see him with a pick up line ready to go and then suddenly thinking “That’s something that Faz kid would say” and running away screaming.
I mean, I don’t think it can be denied that Faz will keep women away from Joe, although I think the manner in which he’ll do that will be much more harrowing than Joe expects.
… Offering a photo album of “lady feet” should be a pretty big red flag to Joe, though.
In his own head he is, yes. Of course, for Joe, the big problem has always been that what he thinks is the case and objective reality seem to diverge pretty extremely in places.
Disregarding the fact that Faz probably snapped those pictures without permission, nothing wrong with finding feet sexy. Not my fetish, but whatever floats your boat!
Ah! The Do List has once again been mentioned. It’s only been a couple days in universe, but I really want to know how that storyline concludes.
Mostly because I have a theory that Raidah was the one who leaked it, and I want to know if I’m correct.
I squeezed my “Tickle Me Faz” doll, and after he said, “Faz can not apologize for this erection” for some reason I was asked to leave the community center.
I guess I’ll throw my hat into the ring to guess how this will turn out. After dad and Joe leave Danny and Amber Faz will see a member of the opposite sex and make some crude coment that Joe will have the “is that what I sound like?” Epiphany and will then go on to attempt to, if not fix Faz’s behavior, at least mellowing out to be at least a little less creepy
Unless Faz’s dad marries Joe’s mom in which case Amber, Faz, and Joe will all be step-siblings and they’ll probably move into the same house and be characters in a sitcom that’s the Modern Brady Bunch Family
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wouldn’t have expected Faz to concede that any other man was as attractive as (or more than) Faz
He hasn’t.
Faz recognizes that Joe is nearly Faz’s equal in body-type. But Joe is definitely not Faz’s equal in charming and attractive personality.
…..
Absolutely nothing can go wrong with this plan, and I unreservedly endorse it.
I’m actually kind of hoping Joe realises how creepy he can be from seeing Faz’s behavior.
Best possible use of faz: creating self-awareness in Joe
bless
YOU’RE A GENIUS
I also can see no possible way this could go wrong, and several paths leading to at-least-half-naked Joe.
–Dave, adding to watch list
I really hope the next year of comics are “Joe and Faz: DO America”
…and they end the year in a “love rollercoaster” with the Red Hot Chili Peppers!
In the first episode, Faz and Joe team up in River City where, having discovered the newly installed pool table in the billiard parlor, break into song in the city center. The Rivercityzians Tweet out video of the song, and the POTUS flies in to bankroll Joe’s and Faz’s plan to establish a River City beauty pageant, to be judged by the boys of the town. This, according to Faz will help to develop the boys into Woke young men—just like their hero, Faz.
faz is great, and is a very stable genius
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he knows all the best phrases, AND can dangle his participles like nobody’s business!
–Dave, ‘Ah, you should see ’em come round me of a Saturday night,’ […]
‘for to get their wages, you know.’
If this ends with Joe referring to himself in the third person, we may finally see Amber completely crack.
bahahahahahahaha
oh joe, you sweet summer child
(what *is* joe doing up there? does he still think he can hide from women there despite all evidence to the contrary?)
The last time Joe was in Comp-Sci, Rachel threatened to castrate him. What is he doing there?
Did she accept his later apology to the point where she actually lets him hang out with her?
I don’t think she’s really accepted his apology, but maybe he’s hoping she has, or soon will.
nono, it’s a good plan.
I mean, I want to punch Joe in the faaace, but now, to do so, I would need to touch Faz. Either to shove him out of the way, or to simply punch through him, I would have to touch Faz, and that makes me stop.
Would Faz actually be considered Joe’s step-brother? He’s tangentially related to Amber because they share a (step-)father, but Joe would fall into Amber’s family via his dad marrying Amber’s mom. So Faz would be his… brother twice removed? Or something?
Yeah, he wouldn’t be Joe’s stepbrother, exactly, but I think Amber’s not sweating the nomenclature too much.
“Removed” in a family-history sense means differences between generations. Sort of like “great” but different.
They’d both be Amber’s step brothers, but are nothing to each other.
Until they get to know each other
I think that would make it worse.
I’m also really confused about this. If Faz is Amber’s step brother, they aren’t blood relatives. So Amber’s dad married Faz’s mom, or has been living with her long enough that Amber is expected to consider Faz her step brother. If Amber’s mom marries Joe’s dad, Amber and Joe will be step-siblings but Faz and Joe will be completely unrelated. In fact, even if Faz was Amber’s half brother instead of step, he still wouldn’t be any relation to Joe because Faz and Amber share a different half.
yeah, Amber is just stretching the definition a bit.
Well, Amber is more familiar with the details of the situation than we are. What if there are things we don’t know or assumptions we are making based on the previous universe.
More likely she’s just speaking loosely.
If we were making assumptions based on the previous universe we would be assuming they were half-siblings and damned if I know what that would make Joe and Faz.
Family defines it the way it does. I have had people adopt me as their brother who were friends before.
Well, Amber did use the word, ‘Maybe’. Extended families can get pretty strange.
“Once removed,” “twice removed,” etc., are technical terms relating to differences in generations. (Your dad’s cousins are your cousins once removed. Insert Henny Youngman joke here.)
I don’t know if there yet exists a nomenclature for blended families that have been formed through multiple blends. But if Richard and Stacy get married, then Stacy will Joe’s stepmother in addition to being Faz’s stepmother. “Stepbrother” is easier, if less precise, than “stepmother’s stepson.”
Nope, Stacy doesn’t get to be Faz’ stepmother because her ex married Faz’ mom.
Is there a word for your step-siblings’ step-siblings? They are not related by blood to any same person, but somehow ….
I always thought cousin once removed was the same as second degree cousins, e.g. the same generation as you, but the common ancestors are the great-grandparents?
No, the removed refers to the number of generations that have been “removed” from one side of the divide (how many generation before a common ancestor), although the way the numbering works (the smaller generation number is used), it’s more like adding.
This video helps explain it.
Someone asked me recently if you were considered to be related to your cousin’s cousin, e.g. your father’s brother’s son’s mother’s sister’s daughter.
I said no, and he said good, since apparently he rather likes his cousin’s cousin.
That said, a guy friend of mine shares a mother with woman A, who shares a father with woman B.
It’s been suggested to him that he’s not related by blood to his half-sister’s half-sister, so there’s nothing to stop him dating woman B. But he still *feels* related to her.
Call them step-stepbrothers. Problem solved, and it can be expanded as needed.
–Dave, trying to connect Faz to the null pointer, brb
I’m teminded of an episode of “Asvenrurers in Wonderland” where the Mad Hatter revealed that he had an evil cousin named the Copy-cat Hatter (played by the same actor);
HATTER: He’s my second cousin, twice removed.
ALICE: Twice removed?
HATTER: Yeah, we kicked him out of the family once, but he came back, so we had to kick him out again!
I’m reminded of the episode of Animaniacs where they went to Anvilania and Yakko became king.
There was even a song about how he was related to the former king.
And now I have Perry Coma stuck in my head singing the Anvilania anthem. Thanks!
No. But judging by the way Faz has glommed onto Amber despite probably having minimal interaction its not unlikely it could happen to Joe as well.
I think it’s “step-brother, twice removed”? I’ve never gotten a handle on those.
“step-brother, unsuccessfully removed”.
–Dave, next matinee at 11pm
I’m sure Amber would be happy if Faz was removed from her life.
While that wouldn’t be the legal term that applies, whether they would have a sibling-esque relationship depends on the relationship between Stacy and Blaine. If the two are still on cordial terms and do joint family holidays and such, which is a thing in some cases, then at the very least, Joe and Faz would be expected to develop some kind of siblingish, or at the very least cousin-ish relationship. That being said, Joe is an adult, so he might be immune to that expectation.
Honestly, I’m not quite sure what’s going on here. What kind of relationship they have.
Faz and Amber are treating each other as pretty well acquainted step-siblings, which wasn’t the impression I’d gotten from his first appearance – though that might have been just that she was so focused on Blaine she didn’t have time to acknowledge Faz.
When she first sees Blaine she says she hasn’t seen him in years, so when did this sibling type relationship have a chance to develop?
I read their relationship more as cop(vigilante) and criminal – Amber considers Faz scum that it’s her responsibility to keep in custody and out of trouble, and Faz considers Amber little more than an impediment to his fun.
Same. I don’t see it as them being ‘well-acquainted’ at all because Faz blatantly states creepy things repeatedly out loud within five minutes of being seen. Most people related to such a person in some way even if not by blood would try to a) control such a person and b) try to get them back to whoever should be in charge of them.
I see it more like how uncles try to reign in nephews or older siblings try to reign in younger siblings or babysitters try to reign in kids generally – it doesn’t signify closeness or knowing each other well, just that the more mature/older one doesn’t want the younger/immature one to run rampant and bother other people.
I’m not suggesting they’re close friends or anything, just that Amber’s had sufficient exposure to Faz to know what to expect and to feel somewhat responsible. Exactly, like an older sibling as you suggest.
But if Amber really hasn’t seen Blaine in years, where did they pick up that sibling relationship? And how old was Faz years ago? Was he already a sexually creepy perv then?
Step-step brothers.
Which means that they have to learn how to do choreographed stomp routines.
*Joe steps into the comp-sci building, bursts into flames*
This is more to do with being an engineering major, than anything else. We use to take turns, during Trig class, with the electrical people, staring daggers because this part of the class was “all their fault”, while the other group did the work with blindfolds on, behind their backs. Meanwhile, the math majors kept their heads down, hoping that we wouldn’t realize that it was really all their fault.
I’m buried in so much Trig right now so *points to math majors* YOUUUU.
Sticks out tongue and goes pfffft.
But…I used trig more than anything else in civil engineering…
Now Physics II, that I got to blame on other majors.
Joe’s good deed will probably go pretty punished, but eh, he’s gotta walk through those coals.
Guessing he’s also probably going to further make him see “ew is that what I sounded like?” pre-revelations.
someone remind me if Joe and Faz ever interacted in the shortpackedverse
I don’t think they did. I did an archive binge on Shortpacked at one point, and Joe’s not really in it super often, I don’t recall him interacting with Faz. Mostly brushes with Ultra Car and a handful of others.
if I recall correctly Joe didn’t have brushes with Ultra Car so much as he invented Ultra Car and I think she even refers to him as her father because of it.
…oh Cheese. Now I’ve just pictured Carla calling Joe “Daddy” and I’m somewhat terrified. O.O;
Well, Shortpacked Joe is actually DOA Joe’s father, so you’d need to picture Carla calling Joe’s dad Daddy. Which, since Carla has been established as having a well off supportive family, is not something that we have to worry about.
What? I don’t think so. SP! Joe is the Joe who was roommates with Danny in Roomies! DoA is an alternate universe of the Roomies!/IW/SP universe.
Yeah and SP!Joe has universe travel tech. It’s an amusing idea that’s been brought up before.
Certainly not canon.
If nothing else, SP!Joe’s long developed past the stage of creep Richard is likely still in.
What could possibly go wrong?
How is Faz creepier.
Via years of practice.
Joe has practiced for years at being shallow and sleazy, which is not quite the same as being creepy, so even with his later start Faz has been able to make up ground and surpass him by being focused on the true goal.
Faz is a creepiness elemental.
No no Joe might be right Faz might be a good repellent but not for the reasons he thinks.
I think Faz and repellent work well together.
“Faz repellant”
Wow, you’re right! If only such a thing existed.
Also, he’s small enough to use as an impromptu weapon if Joe is cornered.
And if a zombie apocalypse breaks out, you could chuck Faz at the zombies as a diversion.
“Get help! Please! My step-step-brother is dying!” A classic.
*female EMT runs up* I’m here! wha-
*sees Faz lyng on ground, grinning creepily at her. Joe staands over him, also grinning creepily at her*
EMT: Welp, I always knew this day would come.
*pulls out EMT license, sets it on fire, tosses it behind her*
EMT: *Walking away* Maybe I can find work in the Forestry Service…
Maybe it’s a dialectal thing, but step-siblinghood isn’t transitive like that in my experience.
Poor Joe. I can’t see him ever going back to his horn dog ways after this. I mean, I can see him with a pick up line ready to go and then suddenly thinking “That’s something that Faz kid would say” and running away screaming.
I hope Joe realizes he more or less used to sound like Faz. That’ll be a wake-up call.
JOE!
NO!
BAD JOE!
FUCK!
Please don’t encourage him.
If nothing else, it’ll keep Faz farther away from women.
“Faz also has a collection of photos of Little Feat, but Joe is probably not interested in pictures of Lowell George.
My hopeful prediction is that being around Faz will demonstrate to Joe just how gross his own behavior is.
Faz doesn’t need a do list to piss off women. He just has to exist near them.
Everyone is on Faz’ Do-List.
I think Joe has the right idea. He certainly makes him look better by comparison.
I mean, I don’t think it can be denied that Faz will keep women away from Joe, although I think the manner in which he’ll do that will be much more harrowing than Joe expects.
… Offering a photo album of “lady feet” should be a pretty big red flag to Joe, though.
Joe as a mentor…
At least he can’t make things worse.
NEVER. SAY. THAT. AGAIN.
What Could Possibly Go Wrong?
… #EverybodyOutOfTheUniverse!
–Dave, exits stage left, pursued by a horribilis
You know doggone well he can easily make it worse
So, Joe thinks that Faz is cute will serve as proof that he is family-friendly?
Warning! Sharp learning curve ahead!
Nah, I think it’s more that he’s banking on them not wanting to beat him to death in front of a child
And then the child opens his mouth and they BOTH get lynched. You need a better plan Joe.
Think of it this way, with faz around Joe will look waaay better by comparison
Unless the ladies interpret it as Joe Teaching Faz his ways.
Would that be possible if Joe can teach Faz how to be less creepy?
If anything, Joe will be the one learning to dial down his creepiness when he watches Faz be Faz.
Oh Joe. Are you… sure ?
In his own head he is, yes. Of course, for Joe, the big problem has always been that what he thinks is the case and objective reality seem to diverge pretty extremely in places.
Do you really want that Joe? You are a Jew, a cross to bear is not exactly part of your religion…
Disregarding the fact that Faz probably snapped those pictures without permission, nothing wrong with finding feet sexy. Not my fetish, but whatever floats your boat!
Ah! The Do List has once again been mentioned. It’s only been a couple days in universe, but I really want to know how that storyline concludes.
Mostly because I have a theory that Raidah was the one who leaked it, and I want to know if I’m correct.
They’ll physically back off at least because I’m pretty sure between the two of you you’ll project a formidable woman repellent field.
Faz has started a gofundme page for his upcoming remake of Tootsie.
I think I finally figured out why Faz annoys me so much. I mean, apart from his horrible personality.
He talks like freaking Elmo.
Time to reread all of Faz’s DoA dialogue in Elmo’s voice.
I just did that with panel 5 above. It was…. extremely disturbing. *shudder*
I squeezed my “Tickle Me Faz” doll, and after he said, “Faz can not apologize for this erection” for some reason I was asked to leave the community center.
I guess I’ll throw my hat into the ring to guess how this will turn out. After dad and Joe leave Danny and Amber Faz will see a member of the opposite sex and make some crude coment that Joe will have the “is that what I sound like?” Epiphany and will then go on to attempt to, if not fix Faz’s behavior, at least mellowing out to be at least a little less creepy
Joe is a dudebro, kinda, but he is not Faz-level weird.
Is that really how it works? He’s not even related to Faz in any way.
They’ll be step-stepbrothers. Stepbrothers by proxy.
Unless Faz’s dad marries Joe’s mom in which case Amber, Faz, and Joe will all be step-siblings and they’ll probably move into the same house and be characters in a sitcom that’s the Modern Brady Bunch Family
third panel: Amber holding Faz by the shoulders. Fourth panel: Joe holding Faz by the shoulder. Responsibility transference complete.
I see no way this can go wrong.
Come on Faz move up in the world, time for ankles buddy.
This kid is so damn weird. I mean everyone has their on sexual taste for things but this little dude….