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by David M Willis on June 11, 2019 at 12:01 am
  • 04 - Vote for Robin
└ Tags: becky, jennifer

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    June 11, 2019 at 12:05 am | #

    No plan survives first contact with the Billie

    • Deanatay
      Deanatay
      June 11, 2019 at 8:10 am | #

      Hurricane Billie?

      Her-icane Billie??

      (Yeah, I know the character)

    • fire_daws
      fire_daws
      June 11, 2019 at 1:37 pm | #

      Unless it’s a party plan, in that case she’ll add booze.

  2. BBCC
    BBCC
    June 11, 2019 at 12:06 am | #

    Billie, you’re not inherently toxic, but you’re stuck in a toxic mindset and a toxic behaviour spiral. You’re gonna need help if you want to break it. Even if you don’t go to therapy, you’ll need the support of others and actually be willing to do the work. You can’t half ass this or skim over it.

    • Shane Wegner
      Shane Wegner
      June 11, 2019 at 3:39 am | #

      Agreed. She’s couching it like “I am Dahok, a fundamental, elemental, universal force of destruction. I am Eris of Discordia! I could never change, for I am the embodiment of evil made flesh.”

      You’re a cheerleader who found out she was a medium sized fish in a small pond and used alcohol as a coping mechanism as a crutch. It would suck a little to change, but it’s not a universal apocalypse.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        June 11, 2019 at 9:50 am | #

        Her problems run deeper than that. She was an alcoholic before she got here.
        Probably originally to cope with the emotional neglect of her absent parents.

  3. TheGrimCorsair
    TheGrimCorsair
    June 11, 2019 at 12:06 am | #

    Hockey Femurs.

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 11, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

      Dumbing of Age Book 10: Hockey and Femurs

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 11, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

      “They have a maple syrup fountain, and Timbits grow on trees!”

      “Are the Maple Leafs any good in this magical land?”

      “Haha, no.”

      • Marsh Maryrose
        Marsh Maryrose
        June 11, 2019 at 12:19 am | #

        But as Scott Simon yells every Saturday: “Abhor the dinosaur!”

        (Please no one tell Dina that he has also yelled “Revile the reptile!”)

    • GoblinScribe
      GoblinScribe
      June 11, 2019 at 12:30 am | #

      *On the phone* Ey listen Josie what’samatter with this place, nothin’s looking right, where’s all the hockey and femurs? The gal’s gonna be here any—uh-huh. Uh-huh?

      *listening*

      NOT “POCKY AND LEMURS”, YOU IDJIT *hangs up*

      • Marsh Maryrose
        Marsh Maryrose
        June 11, 2019 at 12:41 am | #

        It wouldn’t surprise me if “Hockey and Femurs” isn’t already a band name. But “Pocky and Lemurs?” Almost certainly there for the taking.

        Also, I keep wanting to turn “Hockey and Femurs” into a parody of the Doubleclicks’ “Lasers and Feelings.” “You’ve got hockey, and I’ve got femurs…” but I’m not sure where it goes from there.

        • Meagan
          Meagan
          June 11, 2019 at 1:02 am | #

          Pocky and Lemurs are both awesome. I would be interested in that band.

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      June 11, 2019 at 12:42 am | #

      Hockey WITH Femurs.

  4. C.T Phipps
    C.T Phipps
    June 11, 2019 at 12:06 am | #

    Well, I **completely** misread the situation and apologize for being so enthusiastic about it. I thought Billie was trying to show she wasn’t going to let being dumped get her down. So, I owe everyone a cookie if we meet in real life. I feel bad about it too because I was hoping it would be a sign that Billie wasn’t completely on a downward spiral of self-destruction.

    I even had, “Aint nothing gonna break my stride” prepared as her theme song.

    My bad.

    • Stephen Bierce
      Stephen Bierce
      June 11, 2019 at 12:11 am | #

      That song is about trying to make up again AFTER a breakup. She breaks up with him; he tells her, you’re worth it to me and I’ll win you back somehow.

      • C.T Phipps
        C.T Phipps
        June 11, 2019 at 12:11 am | #

        So, not a great batting average of understanding here.

        • Deadjolras
          Deadjolras
          June 11, 2019 at 12:17 am | #

          Considering Billie hasn’t been officially dumped nor has she officially dumped Ruth, then yeah, I’d say it’s not great.

        • Crash
          Crash
          June 11, 2019 at 3:27 am | #

          maybe there’s a lesson here somewhere
          like if literally everyone is telling you that you might be wrong, maybe you should at least consider the possibility that you made a mistake somewhere

          • C.T Phipps
            C.T Phipps
            June 11, 2019 at 5:06 am | #

            Quite a few people agreed with me. I also think Billie is acting like it’s over but I’d rather not start any arguments on that.

            • Mr D, coming at ya with bad opinions
              Mr D, coming at ya with bad opinions
              June 11, 2019 at 12:00 pm | #

              nobody outright agreed with you mate. At most they conceded a point, but as far as I saw it, everyone was yelling at you about not understanding anything.

              • C.T Phipps
                C.T Phipps
                June 11, 2019 at 2:41 pm | #

                Yeah, yeah, I know I’m wrong. No arguments now.

      • Carms
        Carms
        June 11, 2019 at 1:27 am | #

        it totally isn’t though, right?

        “Never let another girl like you work me over
        Never let another girl like you drag me under
        If I meet another girl like you, I will tell her
        Never want another girl like you, have to say, oh”

        that does not sound like he wants her back

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 11, 2019 at 3:48 am | #

      Don’t worry too much, everyone gets a little heated, sometimes. And I got a new Grav out of the whole thing, which is always fun.

      But which version of Break My Stride? Matthew Wilder or Unique?

  5. Nono
    Nono
    June 11, 2019 at 12:06 am | #

    See, take Becky’s panel 2 speech, replace ‘girls’ with gender of your choice, and that describes literally everybody I know.

    Be direct!

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      June 11, 2019 at 2:43 am | #

      As someone who has trouble catching other people’s hints, I definitely would like it if people would be more direct more often.

  6. tim gueguen
    tim gueguen
    June 11, 2019 at 12:07 am | #

    Yeah just ask Billie about that time she visited Arcadia Bay in 2013.

    • C.T Phipps
      C.T Phipps
      June 11, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

      Life is Strange is how I imagine Willis would write a video game. Which is the highest compliment I can give. They should hire him for the 3rd installment (or 4th, technically).

  7. Darkoneko
    Darkoneko
    June 11, 2019 at 12:09 am | #

    Oh damnit.

  8. Woomy
    Woomy
    June 11, 2019 at 12:09 am | #

    This bongo needs counseling

    • Jess
      Jess
      June 11, 2019 at 12:22 am | #

      Dumbing of Age Book 10: These Bongos Need Counseling

  9. Poofdepoof
    Poofdepoof
    June 11, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

    It’s interesting. I feel like the most self-loathing characters, Billie and Amber coming to mind, are among the easiest to get extremely frustrated with (e.g. yesterday’s comment section)… Are we unconsciously learning how to treat them how they treat themselves?

    (Or maybe their behavior is just really frustrating to both themselves and those around them and that’s all that is?)

    • Jess
      Jess
      June 11, 2019 at 12:20 am | #

      I can’t speak for everyone of course, but I think generally we get frustrated with them because watching people we care about and/or root for mess up, in the same ways, over and over again, is painful. And because being in pain is no excuse for taking it out on others. (Or on themselves, frankly. Everyone involved deserves better.)

      • DailyBrad
        DailyBrad
        June 11, 2019 at 12:29 am | #

        Yeah, people don’t get mad at them because they hate them. If you hate a character, it’s rarely worth getting riled up about them.

        That, and plenty of us see a lot of ourselves or people we care about in Billie, Amber, etc. Like, if Mary was making bad life decisions, we wouldn’t get frustrated, because fuck her.

        • Geneseepaws
          Geneseepaws
          June 11, 2019 at 7:48 am | #

          Put the mirror down, I can’t take my reflection today, cause you nailed it.

      • Catman
        Catman
        June 11, 2019 at 2:11 am | #

        Yeah, I’m frustrated but I still want to give them hella hugs.

    • Sam
      Sam
      June 11, 2019 at 2:13 am | #

      While I am capable of understanding that Billie hates herself and deserves therapy and to feel like she has value, I also find her behaviour extremely unlikeable regardless and find her genuinely irritating which isn’t because of how Billie views herself. It just isn’t at all likeable to be a bongo to your ‘friends’ to me and while she regards herself as ‘toxic’ by existing. She also. Continues. To act like a bongo to her ‘friends’. Which vexes me to this day.

    • Mopey
      Mopey
      June 11, 2019 at 4:16 am | #

      Speaking as someone who at this point kind of has to admit that self-loathing is one of his core character traits: People HATE that shit in the long run. Feeling sorry for someone is draining for the best of people. And at a certain point you’re not only beating yourself up, you are also dismissing other people’s impression of you as false if they don’t match up to your self-flagellation.

      People often say that confidence is great for getting popular. Inversely, self-loathing is great for ending up alone.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        June 11, 2019 at 10:03 am | #

        There’s truth in that, but here it often seems that a lot of the criticism is aimed at the surface behavior and ignores the self-loathing, often treating the facade as the real motivation and attacking them for that.

  10. Deathjavu
    Deathjavu
    June 11, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

    And thus were the interviewing tables turned

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      June 11, 2019 at 12:13 am | #

      Becky is the most powerful of us all (Dina only exceeds her when sufficiently motivated by paleontology).

      • Geneseepaws
        Geneseepaws
        June 11, 2019 at 7:52 am | #

        This, yes, this.
        What if Becky tries to take over the strip from Joyce? Could Willis stop her?

        • MM
          MM
          June 11, 2019 at 8:43 am | #

          Becky wouldn’t do that. It’s against the best friend code. (Besides, all Joyce has to do is borrow another outfit from Sal to flummox her.)

  11. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    June 11, 2019 at 12:11 am | #

    I think it was a Questionable Content where someone asked, quite sarcastically but also honestly, “Have you considered NOT making terrible decisions?”

    All of the really terrible people I know are either totally brainwashed or they buy their own bullshit so completely that there is no reaching them. B-Dubs is neither of those things. In some ways, that makes her worse. Why does she continue in her toxicity? She knows she’s awful, that there are paths to being better.

    Maybe I’m burnt out on morally grey characters that actively shirk efforts to grow. They’re just frustrating to me.

    • Deathjavu
      Deathjavu
      June 11, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

      “Morally grey characters that actively shirk effects to grow” describes most real people, for most of their lives

      • Jess
        Jess
        June 11, 2019 at 12:28 am | #

        There’s different gradients to that, though, you know? Some problems are bigger or more serious or more impactful than others. Also, in my own opinion, your point just makes me want to see even fewer of those characters in my fiction. Escapism as a coping mechanism 2k19.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          June 11, 2019 at 12:52 am | #

          I mean, there’s also still plenty of time for Billie to grow. Story’s not over yet.

          • MM
            MM
            June 11, 2019 at 8:44 am | #

            Yeah, we’re not even out of first semester yet, are we?

            • BBCC
              BBCC
              June 11, 2019 at 12:07 pm | #

              We’re like a month and a half in.

            • Schpoonman
              Schpoonman
              June 11, 2019 at 12:10 pm | #

              I remember reading something somewhere that the story will end before Christmas Break. Makes sense, we’re going on 9 years and haven’t even hit Halloween yet.

    • Woomy
      Woomy
      June 11, 2019 at 12:17 am | #

      Maybe she feels like she’s screwed everything up so bad, she might as well embrace the trashpile she’s made of her life because it’s not like there’s any point in trying to get better

      • Jess
        Jess
        June 11, 2019 at 12:32 am | #

        Maybe she does. But that’s depression talking and so, if anything, yet another reason she should seek help. There’s always a way out, or at the very least a way toward a way out. There’s always something to be done. The fact that the way out is often hard or uncomfortable or strange doesn’t negate it.

        • StClair
          StClair
          June 11, 2019 at 12:35 am | #

          nah, easier to just decide she’s hopeless.

          • PB
            PB
            June 11, 2019 at 2:21 am | #

            ^ This. Billie doesn’t see herself as capable or deserving of improvement. Now that Ruth is proving to be both things, Billie doesn’t see them as compatible anymore.

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              June 11, 2019 at 10:06 am | #

              Not just not compatible, but since she’s poisonous, she’s actually dangerous to Ruth. Which Ruth reinforced with her explosion about Billie trying to get her to drink. Which she was correct to do, because it was dangerous for her.

              But Billie can’t conceive of not being that way.

          • Jess
            Jess
            June 11, 2019 at 3:04 am | #

            well of course it’s easier

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 11, 2019 at 10:09 am | #

          But that’s the problem with depression: It lies to you.
          It’s not just that the way out is hard or uncomfortable or strange and you’re too lazy or comfortable to try, it’s that it gets twisted inside to be impossible for you, you’re not worth the effort.

      • DailyBrad
        DailyBrad
        June 11, 2019 at 12:36 am | #

        I think you’re likely correct.

      • Lingo
        Lingo
        June 11, 2019 at 1:25 am | #

        Perhaps she’ll join Amber on Garbage Roof.

    • NaYa
      NaYa
      June 11, 2019 at 12:28 am | #

      It’s just that it requires much more effort than flaunting a 20 dollar bill.

    • Diner Kinetic
      Diner Kinetic
      June 11, 2019 at 12:39 am | #

      Haha I feel like every fandom I’m tangentally a part of is making the same complaint right now- But people struggling to grow and sometimes deciding not to is a hallmark of Dumbing of Age. All of the charachters- Billie, sure, but also Walky, Sal, Amber, and _especially_ Joyce are constantly confronted with knowing, vaguely, what being a better person looks like, but not knowing if they can get to that place or sometimes how to do it. It also doesn’t help that Ruth, for a while, has been the totality of Billie’s support network. Walky’s helped, sure, but because Billie had to keep dating Ruth a secret and because she’s frankly not too introspective, she hasn’t built a lot of options to help her. Joyce has the advantage of being surrounded by friends to help her through tribulations and fundamentalism; Walky had Amber and Jason after Dorothy, Sal’s reconnecting with home friends, her brother, and her nemesis; Amber’s had Dina and Ethan and Hatbae (for a while) and Walky. But Billie’s been relatively alone, because she’s cagey and because she doesn’t reach out but also because other people (aside from walky, and ruth- neither of whom exactly have a lot of space for her ATM, or are connected to the issue) haven’t been trying all that hard; and Billie doesn’t make it easy.

      So, Um, it makes sense I guess? She’s dropping the ball, and it’s def her fault, but the others have advantages when it comes to personal growth that she needs to make an effort to leverage.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 11, 2019 at 1:50 am | #

      Maybe because “alpha bongo problem solver” is just comfortable, known territory for her to fall back on, even if it’s just hollow posturing.

  12. sunflowerofice
    sunflowerofice
    June 11, 2019 at 12:12 am | #

    This is kinda why I have never dated. I don’t wanna put someone in my life until I have a better grasp on my depression. At the rate i’m going maybe….. by the end of the year i’ll try dating.

    • Terry
      Terry
      June 11, 2019 at 12:27 am | #

      I tried that. I decided to take some time for me rather than looking for a relationship. Figured if I can turn things around and be happy with being single, I could place less stress on a relationship to help me to be happy and I could be more successful in the dating world. Now, though, I’m so comfortable being single, I find myself reluctant to start dating because I’ll have to give up the single things that I’ve come to enjoy.

    • MN
      MN
      June 11, 2019 at 12:29 am | #

      That’s exactly what I said to myself. I like your hopeful statement, you’ve got this!
      I’m wasn’t 100% when I started dating my partner of nearly two years (that’s a huge deal for me haha) but he’s definitely been a huge part in the process…

    • Kat
      Kat
      June 11, 2019 at 2:36 am | #

      This isn’t a bad plan, but it isn’t for everyone. This is not aimed at you, just my own input. My problem wasn’t constant depression like it felt like at first, rather bipolar mood swings. Having someone close enough to me that they could look at me and go “You’re unusually wired today, are you okay?” Was key to me figuring out what was going on. Mental issues are not always easy to spot from the inside as it were, so there is something to be said for an outside perspective. Just two cents from my life.

    • Ferret
      Ferret
      June 11, 2019 at 10:13 am | #

      Hey, from one depressed person to another, I’m proud of whatever progress you’ve already made and your determination to keep pushing forward. Keep on fighting, friend.

  13. Bagge
    Bagge
    June 11, 2019 at 12:16 am | #

    Billie thinks she is trash and the only way for her to be with Ruth was when Ruth also was trash. If Ruth is getting better, that means Billie will be left behind.

    🙁

    • ktbear
      ktbear
      June 11, 2019 at 12:30 am | #

      It was exactly that that I hoped would be the motivation for Billie to actually WANT to get better, because if she won’t do it for Ruth I can’t see why else she would.

      • Alanari
        Alanari
        June 11, 2019 at 1:28 am | #

        She’ll need to do it for herself anyway. Stopping drinking for another person usually doesn’t work.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        June 11, 2019 at 1:57 am | #

        Yeah but getting better takes effort and the maturity to face one’s own issues. I’m not so sure Billie has either of those things.

        • Bagge
          Bagge
          June 11, 2019 at 2:23 am | #

          I think Billie is 100% sure she can’t be better.

          On the other hand, I think Ruth was 100% sure she wouldn’t be alive for more than a few weeks this semester, and she was wrong.

          • Alanari
            Alanari
            June 11, 2019 at 5:02 am | #

            Ruth has hit rock bottom. She reached the point where things needed to change, no matter the costs, because staying like this was no longer an option.
            Billie hasn’t. She’s miserable, yes, but she’s okay with being miserable. Facing her problems and giving up alcohol still is more scary than being the way she is.

  14. Lacuna
    Lacuna
    June 11, 2019 at 12:30 am | #

    OK, I’m on one of those things again where I hone in on a totally inconsequential detail:

    would Ruth really want a farm covered in femurs? Does Ruth even like femurs? Sure, she likes beating people with them. But I thought it was the beating part that was really important and the femurs were more of a weapon of choice.

    Like there’s a difference between having a signature battleaxe and wanting to mount it over the fireplace.

    Maybe the hockey team has a special femur fridge for her.

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      June 11, 2019 at 12:46 am | #

      My understanding was always that the femurs were just a trophy. And since the Leafs aren’t about to get any other kind of trophy…

      • Marsh Maryrose
        Marsh Maryrose
        June 11, 2019 at 1:03 am | #

        By the time the next semester begins, it’ll be roughly 2075, 108 years after the Leafs won their last championship. 108 years is how long the Chicago Cubs went without a championship. Coincidence? I think not. Unlike most of the rest of us, Ruth will live to see another Leafs championship.

        • MaximumZero
          MaximumZero
          June 11, 2019 at 12:49 pm | #

          The Mariners, however, will still be without a playoff appearance, and all of the 108s flying around will make a Suikoden storyline come true.

  15. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    June 11, 2019 at 12:31 am | #

    Billie’s in a weird spot. She’s both stunted on some things, and also making a lot of observations about herself by 18, even if I think her takeaways are the wrong ones.

    I kind wonder if we’ll see more of Alice, to find out more about that, and to see if that’ll spur Billie forward some more.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 11, 2019 at 2:00 am | #

      Billie continued her binge drinking after getting a DUI while underage. I bet that recklessness was one of the red flags Alice ran from.

  16. StClair
    StClair
    June 11, 2019 at 12:37 am | #

    Also just want to note that Becky has learned the value of Using Her Words after being indirect with Dina failed badly.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 11, 2019 at 2:05 am | #

      Dina’s an outlier. It seems like she has trouble processing any nonverbal social cues, or at least for her it’s a deliberate process instead of something that comes naturally. She might not catch on to something she’s not expecting.

    • Badgermole
      Badgermole
      June 11, 2019 at 7:04 am | #

      Pretty sure Becky’s talking about reading Joyce’s affection so wrongly and the disastrous kiss that followed.

  17. Cholma
    Cholma
    June 11, 2019 at 12:40 am | #

    Becky, Becky, Becky. You’ve *already* snagged yourself a girlfriend! You don’t need other very pretty girls gettin’ your cues! (Nor should be giving them cues)

    Unless… does she mean that Dina doesn’t get her cues?

    • StClair
      StClair
      June 11, 2019 at 12:47 am | #

      See above.

  18. ShinyNeen
    ShinyNeen
    June 11, 2019 at 12:56 am | #

    Wanna give Becky all the points for panel 2. I’m not great with subtlety (in general, not just relationship-type stuff), and do spend a lot of time wishing people could be more straightforward.

  19. abysswatcher1993
    abysswatcher1993
    June 11, 2019 at 1:30 am | #

    Billie, if you wanted Ruth to be in a better place you wouldn’t ignore her and make her feel like shit.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 11, 2019 at 2:08 am | #

      Does she want Ruth to get better? It sounds like she misses having someone going down in flames with her.

      • PB
        PB
        June 11, 2019 at 2:18 am | #

        That’s certainly part of it. But I think it’s more that Billie can’t see a reality where she ISN’T going down in flames, and now that Ruth CAN do that, she doesn’t think things will work anymore. Letting Ruth go is easier than trying to save herself.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 11, 2019 at 10:21 am | #

          I don’t think “easier” is the point or even won’t work anymore.
          She sees going down in flames as inevitable for her and that she’ll drag anyone she’s with down with her.
          I’m poison. You’re poison, too. That doesn’t mean we have to be alone, anymore. We can touch each other.

          But if Ruth isn’t poison, then that’s not true anymore.

  20. newllend(henryvolt)
    newllend(henryvolt)
    June 11, 2019 at 1:34 am | #

    I’m deciding to occasionally post music fitting the atmosphere of current strips.

    Like this: https://youtu.be/Ka9ixc7fjUc

  21. BenRG
    BenRG
    June 11, 2019 at 2:05 am | #

    Billie, if you truly believe that then you’ll always find some way to make it true. Maybe it’s time instead to try to find some way to make a ‘better place’ work with you?

  22. poofdepoof
    poofdepoof
    June 11, 2019 at 2:23 am | #

    Man I’m projecting a lot right now when I say this but I feel like Ruth misses, not RL Billie exactly, but the Billie she thought she could have a healthy relationship with. I think Billie/Ruth has sunk and they can both be sad about it but also Ruth /is/ going to make it through this fine single, especially with Billie no longer under her jurisdiction.

    For Billie, I have no idea. Something might change even within this conversation with Becky, who knows.

  23. Falcon
    Falcon
    June 11, 2019 at 2:23 am | #

    Living a more privileged life doesn’t always mean you should know better what to do. In fact, in many cases your sheltered experience means you’re utterly stunted in situations where people like Ruth find a path upward (perhaps even with your help) and power through.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 11, 2019 at 10:33 am | #

      Not clear how sheltered and privileged Billie is. Sure, her parents had money, but they also neglected her and used that money as a substitute for emotional support or even for being present. That’s much of the source of Billie’s problems. She’s also shown a lot of practical experience in dealing with some pretty harsh situations – mostly from her head cheerleader role, protecting her squad from abusive boyfriends and rape and arranging abortions.
      She’s certainly sheltered in some ways, but I don’t think that’s getting in her way now as much as the self-loathing and alcoholism. And Ruth needed to be dragged to the hospital on suicide watch to start to turn around. Without that …

  24. Jay
    Jay
    June 11, 2019 at 2:26 am | #

    BILLY STOP BEING SO NOBLE

    • Shane Wegner
      Shane Wegner
      June 11, 2019 at 2:27 am | #

      Noble would be buckling down and suffering through what it takes to get on the wagon and break the alcoholism. This is like, pseudonoble. (which may have been your point all along)

    • Heather Flowers
      Heather Flowers
      June 11, 2019 at 2:47 am | #

      This isn’t noble, though. It’s self-destructive. Sure, she recognizes one of her negative cycles, but rather than doing anything to fix them (e.g. committing to stopping drinking or going to therapy, both of which are options that have been presented to her which she denied) she’s just taking it as-is like the act of being a shitty person is inevitable. Recognizing the problem is the first step, but actually doing things to fix it is the second, and she hasn’t come close to that yet.

      Maybe Ruth IS better off without her (they were codependent as hell and LITERALLY formed a suicide pact) but it’s not Billie’s job to decide what’s best for Ruth, especially without her input.

  25. Delicious Taffy
    Delicious Taffy
    June 11, 2019 at 3:43 am | #

    Billie, go to therapy. Nobody likes constant self-deprecation. Stop acting like a Night in the Woods character.

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      June 11, 2019 at 4:52 am | #

      Billie thinks she’s fundamentally toxic and worthless. So, she’s trying to ‘protect Ruth’ from herself. In the process, she’s hurting both of them. Like you said, someone desperately needs therapy or at least someone whom she trusts to tell her that she needs to change herself if she wants to stop being unhappy all the time.

      • Charlotte
        Charlotte
        June 11, 2019 at 6:38 am | #

        I was kind of hoping that this moment of self-awareness would lead to getting help, but after reading your post I realise that’s probably naive.

    • SpaceshipPilot
      SpaceshipPilot
      June 11, 2019 at 11:32 am | #

      Now there’s a thought. If the cast were all NitW-style animal people, what kind of animals would they be?

      • Delicious Taffy
        Delicious Taffy
        June 11, 2019 at 12:09 pm | #

        Every single one of them would be some form of tropical bird.

  26. Seregiel
    Seregiel
    June 11, 2019 at 5:40 am | #

    Billie makes a good but myopic point. Good places don’t survive her… because she keeps power walking all over the daisies!

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 11, 2019 at 6:12 am | #

      Billie, holding a 10-gallon kerosene barrel and a box of matches: Damn it, my house is on fire and it’s my fault. If only I would stop doing this.

      • Seregiel
        Seregiel
        June 11, 2019 at 12:51 pm | #

        Hey now. She’s wanted to be hot stuff again. This seems like it could be a win.

  27. TheFlamingonator
    TheFlamingonator
    June 11, 2019 at 6:22 am | #

    i know its been a while since then but how did Ruth react to Finland beating Canada for the World Championship in Ice Hockey like

    we went nuts thats all im saying

  28. Charlotte
    Charlotte
    June 11, 2019 at 6:37 am | #

    Hm, this is more self-awareness from Billie than I expected. Maybe something good can come from that eventually.

  29. hof1991
    hof1991
    June 11, 2019 at 9:49 am | #

    Ruth has Howard, who she must survive for. Billie just has her girlfriend, who might indeed be better off without her (though that doesn’t mean Billie should die, just end the relationship).

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 11, 2019 at 2:12 pm | #

      Better by far to try that therapy and stopping drinking thing. Both for her and for Ruth. Not easy and she’s not there yet, but the idea that Ruth is better off without her is too tied up in Billie’s self-loathing for me to like that as the actual resolution.

  30. Rachel
    Rachel
    June 11, 2019 at 9:56 am | #

    Yo Billie, remember that therapy thing Ruth was telling you about…? Yeahhhhh pretty sure she was right on that one.

  31. Jenny Islander
    Jenny Islander
    June 11, 2019 at 11:59 am | #

    All right, Billie! Self-awareness is a go!

    Now try not drinking about it.

    (Seriously though, she’s on the threshold, where people go “there’s something wrong with me” but don’t realize “and it’s been wrong with many, many people before me, and there are support groups and therapists and self-help books galore.” She needs to go forward off that threshold, not backward into a bottle or pinned in place by “I am the worst in the history of ever, I am singular in my dysfunction.”)

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      June 11, 2019 at 9:29 pm | #

      She has to want to stop drinking first.

  32. Bagge
    Bagge
    June 11, 2019 at 12:35 pm | #

    Ah, wise bartender pizza (and subs) server Becky. She uses that fourth panel technique sometimes, simply a statement of fact and letting the person she talks to verbalize the next part herself.

    http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/02-everything-youve-ever-wanted/bridges-2/

  33. ninja_jesus
    ninja_jesus
    June 11, 2019 at 3:39 pm | #

    She and Joe have a lot in common, most of all her refusal to confront her issues and insistence that things are fine the way they are when they clearly aren’t.

  34. ziggy78eog
    ziggy78eog
    June 11, 2019 at 4:45 pm | #

    Is Billie implying that she is deliberately pushing Ruth away? I hope not, because Ruth can help Billie get out of her own hole.

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      June 11, 2019 at 9:28 pm | #

      At the moment Billie doesn’t want out of her hole.

  35. Eve
    Eve
    June 11, 2019 at 5:01 pm | #

    Billie for gods sake if you want to end it, then end it. Give some closure and official ending rather than bullshit that extends it. If you are intent on ending it do both of you a favor and pull that band-aid off now.

    • Bathymetheus
      Bathymetheus
      June 11, 2019 at 9:26 pm | #

      I’m assuming you are referring to a formal break-up.

      Your wording sounds like you are counselling suicide, which is not OK even for a fictional character. Please state clearly that this is not what you mean.

      • Eve
        Eve
        June 11, 2019 at 10:22 pm | #

        Considering this is a strip that’s talking about their relationship and suicide would not be a favor to anyone I thought it was very clear I was talking about ending her and Ruth’s relationship. ‘Closure’ is not really a thing associated with suicide.

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