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Fukutin

by David M Willis on June 4, 2019 at 12:01 am
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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    June 4, 2019 at 12:02 am | #

    “or like, what’s German for fox? Fffffff…orks?”

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      June 4, 2019 at 12:04 am | #

      Forks has the bonus point of sounding like a Good Place reference.

      • Doctor_Who
        Doctor_Who
        June 4, 2019 at 12:11 am | #

        If any show could send Joyce further into an existential crisis, it’s that one.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          June 4, 2019 at 1:29 am | #

          So someone needs to show her immediately then, is what you’re saying.

        • anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
          anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
          June 4, 2019 at 8:54 am | #

          There is also the now long running classic team-up of Eugene Levy and Catherine O’Hara in https://www.cbc.ca/schittscreek/

          Enjoy ^_^

      • Batman
        Batman
        June 4, 2019 at 3:37 am | #

        Fork candles?

    • Bicycle Bill
      Bicycle Bill
      June 4, 2019 at 12:13 am | #

      German word for ‘fox’ is ‘Fuchs’ — pronounced ‘fooks’.
      Keep trying, Joyce.

      • butting
        butting
        June 4, 2019 at 1:23 am | #

        There’s the old gag of a botanist returned back home way up in the highlands, giving a talk about Fuchs and using a uh not particularly recommended pronunciation.

        Someone takes him aside afterwards to “correct” him on how it should be pronounced, to be told: “Aye, but Ah dinnae laek tae say tha in frrrount of the layydies.”

        Ba-doom *pish*

      • Charlie Spencer
        Charlie Spencer
        June 4, 2019 at 6:41 am | #

        And let’s not even get started on ‘Shih Tzu’

        • Ana Chronistic
          Ana Chronistic
          June 5, 2019 at 12:02 am | #

          Just remembered the city where Excel Saga takes place

          Fukuoka

          Airport code FUK

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 4, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

      “Norfolk, Virginia.”

      “The French word for ‘seal’ is phoque.”

      • Marsh Maryrose
        Marsh Maryrose
        June 4, 2019 at 1:00 am | #

        Serious question for French speakers: is the “fuck” pronunciation of “phoque” just a Canadian French thing, or is it broader (or narrower) than that?

        • Rabid Rabbit
          Rabid Rabbit
          June 4, 2019 at 1:06 am | #

          No, it’s pretty general. French Canadians may be more inclined to accentuate the resemblance, though, especially if there are Americans around.

          • Chris Phoenix
            Chris Phoenix
            June 4, 2019 at 1:16 am | #

            And then there’s the German pronunciation of the German philosopher Kant…

            • Guerisso
              Guerisso
              June 4, 2019 at 3:44 am | #

              Does anybody use a non-German pronunciation?

              • wwwhhattt
                wwwhhattt
                June 4, 2019 at 4:01 am | #

                People who pronounce it ‘can’t’ presumably

                • anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
                  anonamousethatscurriesinthedarkness
                  June 4, 2019 at 8:50 am | #

                  Also those who butcher other languages.
                  ex
                  Messy-buckets Gar-Cone

            • Aoinfinity
              Aoinfinity
              June 4, 2019 at 6:08 am | #

              The German pronunciation is “kahnt,” rhymes with English “want,” so there’s actually no resemblance to what you’re implying. :p

              • Warren
                Warren
                June 4, 2019 at 12:32 pm | #

                But the English “want” does rhyme with that.

                • Aoinfinity
                  Aoinfinity
                  June 5, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

                  “Want” does not rhyme with “stunt” in any dictionary I’m familiar with…

              • Chris Phoenix
                Chris Phoenix
                June 5, 2019 at 2:12 am | #

                Maybe there are two German pronunciations depending on region? I had a German friend in college who pronounced it exactly as I’m implying (soft U) and recently another German friend confirmed it.

            • Delicious Taffy
              Delicious Taffy
              June 4, 2019 at 12:35 pm | #

              Due to recent events, I can’t see or hear Kant’s name without thinking of an existential Mary Jane Watson.

            • BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
              BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
              June 4, 2019 at 11:09 pm | #

              The German philosopher can’t what?

        • Lucie
          Lucie
          June 4, 2019 at 2:07 am | #

          Marysh Maryrose, in France it’s not exactly the same pronounciation but close enough that we will make jokes on it (a seal frequently seen near Bordeaux was named “You” by surfers)

          • Lucie
            Lucie
            June 4, 2019 at 2:07 am | #

            (as in “le phoque You” )

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        June 4, 2019 at 1:51 am | #

        Isn’t the city pronounced closer to “Nor-fock”?

        • Joseph
          Joseph
          June 4, 2019 at 2:57 am | #

          “Norfolk and chance” is a sort of opposite of “shut the front door”, it’s not swearing, but it really sounds like it is in several UK accents.

        • Marsh Maryrose
          Marsh Maryrose
          June 4, 2019 at 9:29 am | #

          I’ve never been there, but there’s a lot of discussion online, and apparently “nor-fuck” is the most common pronunciation, with “naw-fuck” as a common variation.

          • Jhon
            Jhon
            June 4, 2019 at 10:18 pm | #

            (sings)
            We are the girls of Norfolk!
            We don’t smoke or drink–
            Norfolk!

      • Baf
        Baf
        June 4, 2019 at 2:04 am | #

        I see you getting on a line to buy some Vietnamese soup
        and I’m like
        Phở queue
        Oo oo ooh!

        • Agemegos
          Agemegos
          June 4, 2019 at 3:06 am | #

          There was a chain of franchised Vietnamese restaurants called “Phở King”….

          • neeks
            neeks
            June 4, 2019 at 3:49 am | #

            There’s one by where I live. When we first moved in to our apartment, I asked my roommate if she wanted to go there with me…and then had to clarify.

            “Do you want to get Pho King?”
            “ExCUSE ME?”
            “Oh. Uh. There’s a Vietnamese restaurant near here named Pho King Kitchen. Do you want to go there with me?”

            “Pho” and “caulk” are words I mispronounce on purpose for the sake of clarity in conversation. Especially in a professional context on our department’s radio channel. “Ugh, I hate when stowers put several different brands of caulk in the same bin and I have to rummage around to find the right one.”

            • Gulby
              Gulby
              June 4, 2019 at 9:46 am | #

              I’m sorry but this is absolutely hilarious. xD Bwahahahahah !!! xD

    • Roborat
      Roborat
      June 4, 2019 at 4:40 pm | #

      For a second there, I thought you were building up to a “What does the fox say” joke.

  2. Shiro
    Shiro
    June 4, 2019 at 12:03 am | #

    Joyce Performs a Cuss

  3. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    June 4, 2019 at 12:03 am | #

    Fukutin, everyone’s favorite pokemon.

    • Spam
      Spam
      June 4, 2019 at 12:05 am | #

      Fukutin I choose you

    • ShinyNeen
      ShinyNeen
      June 4, 2019 at 12:38 am | #

      Wouldn’t be the first Pokemon to struggle with Nintendo’s word filters >.>

  4. BBCC
    BBCC
    June 4, 2019 at 12:03 am | #

    Oh, Joyce, baby.

    It’s okay, take your time.

  5. Danielle
    Danielle
    June 4, 2019 at 12:04 am | #

    scat

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      June 4, 2019 at 12:11 am | #

      Ba-da-ba-da-ba-be bop bop bodda bope

      • StClair
        StClair
        June 4, 2019 at 12:53 am | #

        I’m the Scatman!

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          June 4, 2019 at 2:13 am | #

          If the Scatman can do it, so can you!

          • Delicious Taffy
            Delicious Taffy
            June 4, 2019 at 12:31 pm | #

            People give me weird looks when I put on Scatman John, until we get a few songs in. Then they get it.

  6. JetstreamGW
    JetstreamGW
    June 4, 2019 at 12:04 am | #

    Just go ask Mike to help. He’ll drop a brick on your foot or some shit and you’ll be cussin’ in no time.

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 4, 2019 at 1:08 am | #

      “But try to hit a nail, and if the hammer fails
      Then the words you use
      To describe that bruise
      That’s basic language!”

      Jerry Jeff Walker, The Ballad of the Hulk

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 4, 2019 at 2:19 am | #

      Even serious foot injury doesn’t get F-bombs from Joyce.

  7. butts
    butts
    June 4, 2019 at 12:04 am | #

    so you believe in proteins, eh

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 4, 2019 at 12:16 am | #

      “Do you believe in proteins in a young girl’s heart?”

  8. ValdVin
    ValdVin
    June 4, 2019 at 12:04 am | #

    Is Yahoogle really fyook-o-teen before any other word like that?

    (I’m asking for a friend.)

  9. Solenoid
    Solenoid
    June 4, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

    I guess old habits die hard. She’ll do it when she’s too pissed off to overthink it.

  10. Spam
    Spam
    June 4, 2019 at 12:08 am | #

    French seal?

    • Catman
      Catman
      June 4, 2019 at 12:16 am | #

      Bébé, je te compare à un baiser d’une rose sur le gris
      Ooh, plus je reçois de toi, l’étranger on se sent, ouais
      Maintenant que ta rose est en fleur
      Une lumière frappe la grisaille sur le gris

      • Kamino Neko
        Kamino Neko
        June 4, 2019 at 12:18 am | #

        I’m impressed.

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 4, 2019 at 12:27 am | #

      La complainte du phoque en alaska

      • Masumi
        Masumi
        June 4, 2019 at 1:18 am | #

        That song is beautifully calming! … Guess I’m into old french music now XD

        • Spam
          Spam
          June 4, 2019 at 4:25 am | #

          Welp, that’s another family guy reference that got hit with the French stick
          (But in all seriousness nice song my guy)

  11. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    June 4, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

    Let’s all take a moment to really appreciate all the hard work that Willis put into drawing this page.

    (Not actually poking fun at Willis here, but I do appreciate when artists occassionally find a way to produce good product while still saving time and effort.)

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      June 4, 2019 at 12:12 am | #

      I’m looking really close at the chair and it’s definitely not the same frame repeated, though it would be entirely in Willis’ right to do so (and I’d totally save the time if I were an artist and had a set-up like this).

      • ShinyNeen
        ShinyNeen
        June 4, 2019 at 12:23 am | #

        It’s not? *Boots up Photoshop* … It’s–it’s not! I guess it’s still a relatively simple drawing to repeat, but I’m impressed all the same.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      June 4, 2019 at 12:13 am | #

      The phone poking out in panel 3 is great fun!

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        June 4, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

        …Four.

      • Tan
        Tan
        June 4, 2019 at 2:03 am | #

        The better to stab God with.

  12. No Name
    No Name
    June 4, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

    It’s okay Joyce. You don’t have to swear to defy God. I’m living proof of that fact!

    • MatthewTheLucky
      MatthewTheLucky
      June 4, 2019 at 12:13 am | #

      But it fucking helps!

  13. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    June 4, 2019 at 12:10 am | #

    This is to make up for some hellacious crowd scene later, isn’t it?

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      June 4, 2019 at 12:16 am | #

      In unrelated news, I knew Momo was gonna find out that May slept with Sven, and now I’m just waiting for the fireworks.

      • Miri
        Miri
        June 4, 2019 at 3:59 am | #

        Her response was perfect though 😀 I’m pretty certain, given she didn’t remember his name, May does not know that Sven’s Dora’s brother (of course, this being May, I can’t be 100% sure she knows Dora’s Dale’s boss)… Nor will she know that Sven’s Marigold’s ex-roommate’s ex-girlfriend’s ex… Once Mono enlightens her I can see her either being furious with him for dragging her into the drama, or really confused as to why she should care given it was a one-off thing. Or possibly pissed with them all for not giving him another chance when he treated her well, pushing her to start dating him to prove a point…

        • MatthewTheLucky
          MatthewTheLucky
          June 4, 2019 at 8:25 am | #

          More likely would be Momo conplainung that May’s an awful winglady.

      • Woomy
        Woomy
        June 5, 2019 at 12:01 am | #

        How do you remember this shit? I’m still not entirely sure who Sven is

  14. Bagge
    Bagge
    June 4, 2019 at 12:12 am | #

    Ah, golgi apparatus proteins: Comedy gold

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 4, 2019 at 1:16 am | #

      At first I misread this as “Gogol apparatus.” Then my brain twisted it into “Bulgogi apparatus.” I think I’m going to have some interesting dreams tonight.

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        June 4, 2019 at 1:36 am | #

        It could just be a fancy kitchen appliance

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 4, 2019 at 7:42 am | #

      Plays Golgi Apparatus on the hacked Muzak.

      • Bagge
        Bagge
        June 4, 2019 at 9:22 am | #

        …That’s a thing?

        THAT’S A THING!!!

        I can’t wait until I make my students listen to that song. They haven’t yet understood what a massive dork their teacher is.

        (Or, to be fair, they probably have)

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 4, 2019 at 10:55 am | #

          Perhaps they thought they had, but there are always new depths to surprise them with. 🙂

          • Bagge
            Bagge
            June 4, 2019 at 1:01 pm | #

            *Puts on sunglasses*

            Challenge accepted.

  15. NinjaNick
    NinjaNick
    June 4, 2019 at 12:13 am | #

    Seconds later…

    Ohhhhhh, fuuuuuuuhhhhhhdge. Dang it!

    • BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
      BrokenEye, the True False Prophet
      June 4, 2019 at 11:12 pm | #

      Only I didn’t say “fudge”.

  16. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    June 4, 2019 at 12:14 am | #

    Dangit.

  17. Catman
    Catman
    June 4, 2019 at 12:15 am | #

    Bébé, je te compare à un baiser d’une rose sur le gris
    Ooh, plus je reçois de toi, l’étranger on se sent, ouais
    Maintenant que ta rose est en fleur
    Une lumière frappe la grisaille sur le gris

    • Catman
      Catman
      June 4, 2019 at 12:17 am | #

      Ignore this

      • DarkoNeko
        DarkoNeko
        June 4, 2019 at 2:54 pm | #

        ai de shinu nara, kisu de koroshite~

  18. Lacuna
    Lacuna
    June 4, 2019 at 12:16 am | #

    I just had this mental image of Joyce as the star of her own Bill Nye-esque edutainment show where every episode she tries to swear but instead she just recites thirty minutes of helpful facts about science.

    (Also, posting Eartha Kitt’s take on this concept because it makes me happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS02GeKuWQ4)

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      June 4, 2019 at 1:42 am | #

      Bill Nye’s been swearing a bit while talking about science recently, and it’s great.

    • Meagan
      Meagan
      June 4, 2019 at 9:47 am | #

      That is adorable!

  19. tim gueguen
    tim gueguen
    June 4, 2019 at 12:19 am | #

    Someone should tell Joyce that using some cusses doesn’t mean you need to use all of them. There are a number I don’t use, they just don’t come out of my mouth.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      June 4, 2019 at 12:36 am | #

      EVERYONE has a number of curses they don’t use.

      I mean, I don’t think I’ve ever used ANY !Kung swear words.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      June 4, 2019 at 1:02 pm | #

      Joyce is not really known for her great expertise in taking things in moderation.

      Like… anything.

  20. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    June 4, 2019 at 12:20 am | #

    *notices Willis referenced George Thorogood so I don’t have to*

  21. MatsuoTanuki
    MatsuoTanuki
    June 4, 2019 at 12:21 am | #

    Mrs. Landers was a health nut, she cooked food in a wok.
    Mr. Harris was her boyfriend, and he had a great big coc—
    -k-a-doodle-doodle, that rooster just won’t quit,
    And I don’t want my breakfast because it tastes like shi–
    Tzus make good housepets, they’re cuddly and sweet
    Monkeys aren’t as good to have coz they like to beat their mea–
    –eetings in the office, meetings in the halls.
    The boss he wants to see you so you can suck his bal—
    —zac was a writer, he lived with Allan Funt.
    Mrs. Landers didn’t like him, but that’s cause she’s a cun—
    –tamainated water can really make you sick.
    Your bladder gets infected, and blood comes out your dic—
    –tate what I’m saying, for it will bring you luck
    And if you do not like it, I don’t give a flying fuck!

    • Marsh Maryrose
      Marsh Maryrose
      June 4, 2019 at 12:35 am | #

      That brings up memories of a song of a similar nature I learned long ago:

      Peter Murphy, Peter Murphy, sitting on a rock,
      Along came a bumble bee, and stung him on his
      Cocktails, gingerales, five cents a glass,
      If you don’t like it, you can shove it up your
      Ask me no questions for I will tell no lies,
      If you ever get hit with a bucket of shit
      Be sure to close your eyes.

      • Chris Phoenix
        Chris Phoenix
        June 4, 2019 at 1:21 am | #

        Here’s the way I heard it from my parents back in the 80’s…

        Miss Lucy had a steamboat, the steamboat had a bell
        Miss Lucy went to heaven, the steamboat went to
        hello operator, give me number nine,
        and if you disconnect me, I’ll kick your fat
        behind the ‘fridgerator there was a piece of glass,
        Miss Lucy sat upon it, and broke her little
        Ask me no more questions, tell me no more lies,
        And if you get hit with a bucket of shit, be sure to close your eyes!

        • Enigmatic Jack
          Enigmatic Jack
          June 4, 2019 at 10:35 am | #

          There’s a song that does this same sort of thing, called Life of the Party by Charlie Robison.

        • Jhon
          Jhon
          June 4, 2019 at 10:26 pm | #

          Also check out Oscar Brand’s “Clean Song”.

  22. Plasma Mongoose
    Plasma Mongoose
    June 4, 2019 at 12:25 am | #

    If yer aff tae pumpin’ swear, swear wi’ an extreme Scots accent.

  23. Wizard
    Wizard
    June 4, 2019 at 12:38 am | #

    Just gonna point out that the Bible forbids taking God’s name in vain, but doesn’t really mention the use of vulgar terms for sexual acts or excretory functions.

    • Meagan
      Meagan
      June 4, 2019 at 9:48 am | #

      Maybe if someone pointed that out to Joyce she’d get over it faster.

  24. TemperaryObsessor
    TemperaryObsessor
    June 4, 2019 at 12:42 am | #

    Fun kit tall.

  25. abysswatcher1993
    abysswatcher1993
    June 4, 2019 at 12:53 am | #

    Joyce: “FUS RO DAH!”
    *Joyce causes many couches to fly and break the windows.*

    Asma: “No thu’ums in the reception!”

    • JBento
      JBento
      June 4, 2019 at 6:09 am | #

      Asma: Shoots Joyce in the knee with an arrow.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      June 4, 2019 at 1:05 pm | #

      Alduin *breaks off roof of building, looms over Joyce*: “AHA, I have you now, little Dovahkiin, and nothing will stop me from…”

      Joyce *kicks Alduin’s ass*

  26. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    June 4, 2019 at 1:02 am | #

    “Conflicting accounts today from downtown Portland where the President’s motorcade was halted by a mass of pedestrians. The White House is calling the incident that stopped the President’s motorcade a lawless protest and even suggested that it constituted a riot. But according to witnesses on the scene, the crowd was unrelated to the President’s visit. They say it was spillover from people waiting to get into the grand opening of the city’s newest Vietnamese noodle house. As one local law enforcement officer put it, rather than rioting, Portland just gave Trump a massive pho queue.”

    • Meagan
      Meagan
      June 4, 2019 at 9:49 am | #

      I wish this were real. (Look at me using subjunctive)

  27. Ninjamaid
    Ninjamaid
    June 4, 2019 at 1:27 am | #

    Whakatane, a beautiful town in New Zealand

  28. Mra
    Mra
    June 4, 2019 at 1:33 am | #

    I liked it better when she was holding in the curse words and said when she did use them they would have power., because she was right. When she said “Damn you” to Becky’s dad that had as much of a punch as the fist she threw at him

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      June 4, 2019 at 1:54 am | #

      If it helps, she still has yet to say ‘Fuck’ if I recall correctly.

      • Mra
        Mra
        June 5, 2019 at 12:15 am | #

        although she is trying to change that right now.

  29. Wraithy2773
    Wraithy2773
    June 4, 2019 at 1:38 am | #

    Man, David really went all out with the illustrations for today.

    I kid, I kid, it’s a great strip! 😀

  30. Keulen
    Keulen
    June 4, 2019 at 1:39 am | #

    DoA Book 9: FFFFFFFFFFF

    • Kat
      Kat
      June 4, 2019 at 11:31 pm | #

      DOA book 10: FFFF…darn it.

  31. TemperaryObsessor
    TemperaryObsessor
    June 4, 2019 at 2:14 am | #

    “Remember son people know who you are by the words you use not the things you do.” Clay Puppington

  32. Falcon
    Falcon
    June 4, 2019 at 2:28 am | #

    Are my comment gonna start appearing again?

    • Falcon
      Falcon
      June 4, 2019 at 2:30 am | #

      Ah, finally. I don’t like making test posts. But that’s what happens when you cause a person’s posts to disappear for a time you fail to specify without ever informing them that they’d disappear in the first place. Which is especially annoying when you’re in the middle of a debate.

  33. JA
    JA
    June 4, 2019 at 2:47 am | #

    Tbf, that first time you say Fuck feels so damn weird. It’s like your body goes weightless for a moment, and then you cringe in anticipation of a lightning bolt hitting you or your parents materializing out of thin air to tear you a new one, and then…

    Nothing. Nothing happens. The world doesn’t end, God isn’t going to curbstomp you into the dirt, and life goes on as it always has.

    • Mr.Morningstar
      Mr.Morningstar
      June 4, 2019 at 3:20 am | #

      I cant say I relate. I’m irish and here we curse pretty much every second word even as kids (to our parents dismay)

      • Meagan
        Meagan
        June 4, 2019 at 9:50 am | #

        I’m guessing your parents did it when they were kids too, though, yeah? Is this one of those cases of like parental memory loss/double standards?

  34. Icalasari
    Icalasari
    June 4, 2019 at 3:16 am | #

    This is oddly adorable

  35. TemperaryObsessor
    TemperaryObsessor
    June 4, 2019 at 3:47 am | #

    Becky’s dad was a gardening gardener.

  36. DaveM
    DaveM
    June 4, 2019 at 4:41 am | #

    Maybe Joyce should try a different tack. Swyve (pronounced swive) is a middle english word which means exactly the same thing as fuck, but has the advantage of being archaic enough to go unremarked by others. Back when I was doing ISP tech support I would mutter “Swyving Sheol” after a particularly vexing call with no issue, whereas if I’d used modern English “Fucking Hell”, I’d have been lectured (and eventually fired if repeated) for using ‘language unfit for the workplace’.

    Like Loki calling Black Widow a “mewling quim” in Avengers, it’s amazing what you can get past the radar if you’re careful. 🙂

  37. He Who Abides
    He Who Abides
    June 4, 2019 at 4:53 am | #

    I’m fondly reminded of the King of the Hill episode where Peggy has to teach Sex Ed. Specifically, the bit where she’s in the bathroom, trying to teach herself how to say some of the words she’ll need to use in front of the class.

    Though it’s funnier with Joyce.

    • Delicious Taffy
      Delicious Taffy
      June 4, 2019 at 5:14 am | #

      Happiness
      Hap-iness
      Hap-penis
      Penis

      • BenRG
        BenRG
        June 4, 2019 at 5:47 am | #

        Purely IMO, those who teach their children to only use euphemisms in terms of sexual organs and sexual acts do them no favours in a dangerous world.

        • Enigmatic Jack
          Enigmatic Jack
          June 4, 2019 at 10:30 am | #

          This. We have a daughter with special needs, and have started teaching her the proper names for the parts of her body (she’s 7, about to turn 8.) Both because it’s important to know what things are actually called, and do that she can tell us or other adults (doctors, etc) specifically if she has discomfort or if anything happens that shouldn’t.

  38. BenRG
    BenRG
    June 4, 2019 at 5:46 am | #

    Joyce, don’t try to be someone else. Just try to be you, because we adore you for it!

    • Meagan
      Meagan
      June 4, 2019 at 9:52 am | #

      This! Although we can’t say for sure if she is trying to fit some rebellious stereotype, or actually ‘being herself’ more by getting past these behavioral conditionings.

    • Bagge
      Bagge
      June 4, 2019 at 1:07 pm | #

      But if she doesn’t have that structure, how does she know what is right, what she should believe?

      http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/03-sometimes-the-sky-was-so-far-away/structure-2/

      • Schpoonman
        Schpoonman
        June 4, 2019 at 4:47 pm | #

        I would like that particular strip a lot less without the alt-text.

  39. FacelessDeviant
    FacelessDeviant
    June 4, 2019 at 7:58 am | #

    The conditioning! Its breaking!

    Woohoo!

  40. CMasta
    CMasta
    June 4, 2019 at 8:27 am | #

    This is just sad

  41. Meagan
    Meagan
    June 4, 2019 at 9:54 am | #

    I feel for Joyce here. I’m not sure why, I just feel kinda sorry for her. Maybe because I wonder if she is feeling pressure to now be a ‘bad’/rebellious person (I responded to BenRG about this above)….I dunno, is she replacing one set of norms and expectations to fit into with another? Or trying to liberate herself from arbitrarily imposed rules?

    I’ve been studying postmodernism this semester for a grad class and I can hear certain authors being like, “That’s an artificial distinction.” Thanks, Tracy and Tretheway.

    • ischemgeek
      ischemgeek
      June 4, 2019 at 11:40 am | #

      So this is pretty common among people brought up in authoritarian households. You’re taught if you reject any one part of the beliefs you reject everything.

      So EITHER you believe what we tell you and do what we say OR you’re doomed to get addicted to drugs, fall into organized crime and die young and violently after being a terrible person your whole life who has all the gay sex and probably also rapes babies and engages in bestiality because you rejected their beliefs and that includes all morality and ethics.

      So… Yes. Joyce is trying to follow The Rules of rebellion. While simultaneously being terrified of following those rules because that way lies dying alone and unloved in a ditch or prison.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        June 4, 2019 at 3:06 pm | #

        See “ruinous mistakes in a motel dumpster”.

        Or her bit with Becky about how if evolution is true, then her entire Christian faith falls apart because No Adam & Eve in Eden -> no Original Sin and thus everything is a goddamned lie.

  42. TheFlamingonator
    TheFlamingonator
    June 4, 2019 at 10:17 am | #

    You can do it Joyce! its like duck but with an F

  43. Fuchs Sakemann
    Fuchs Sakemann
    June 4, 2019 at 12:14 pm | #

    Small steps, Joyce. Start with damn and ass. They’re in the Bible, so it should be easier. Then go or the more intense ones.

  44. Delicious Taffy
    Delicious Taffy
    June 4, 2019 at 12:24 pm | #

    Apropos of nothing, has anyone else been having a sustained cultural identity crisis, lately? On paper, I qualify as “white” and “American”, but that’s pretty much the extent of what I can claim. I can’t point to a specific sort of ancestry and say “Yep, that’s where my family is from, and I’m part of that.” Growing up, plenty of my friends could confidently say “Yeah, my family is Mexican/Black/German,” and I remember feeling jealous, even at a young age, wishing I could have that.

    I also can’t think of anything that’s American that I can take pride in or at least not feel ashamed of, if I wanted to just roll with my country of birth. Any time I bring up American culture in an attempt to find something I can connect with, all I get back is a depressing anti-American screed about how horrible this country is. Any potential good I can think of is immediately shut down with reasons it’s inherently invalid by nature of not being uniquely American. “What’s an American holiday or party or family get-together, how do you identify one?” “Shopping and oppressing brown people.”

    There’s no family-specific traditions I can talk about with anyone, because nobody ever bothered to establish any. I feel this weird sort of guilt any time I consider my father’s side of the family being largely Italian-American. Like, I don’t really think I can claim that heritage, even though it’s around 50% of my genetics, because I’ve never interacted with any but 3 of those people. I don’t really know any of my mom’s or dad’s extended families, so I can’t claim them, either.

    Basically, I have absolutely no connection to any sort of cultural heritage that doesn’t immediately fill me with shame, but I want to have that, so I’m just left feeling empty-handed and sort of orphaned in a way. Is this normal? It doesn’t feel normal. It feels like when you’re right at the end of a video game, but when you look at the items screen, there’s a bunch of slots marked [???], and no matter where you look or ask online, you can’t find any information on the missing items and people are annoyed with you for even wanting to know.

    Sorry if this is more disjointed than usual.

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      June 4, 2019 at 2:43 pm | #

      I actually did go through something of a crisis like that a few years ago. It led me to the insight that choices outweigh accidents every time. You didn’t control the circumstances of your birth, your nationality, your sex OR gender, or anything else, so how can you ever fault someone for those?

      My aunt and uncle (mom’s sister and husband) are not good people. They’re very kind and welcoming to me, their straight cis nephew, but they regularly misgender my little sister and have told her to her face that she’s going to hell. She didn’t CHOOSE to be trans, she wals born biologically male and around her 18th birthday she came out, because the dysphoria she felt led her to a suicide attempt. That they choose to hurl abuse at her makes them some of the worst people I know, and I don’t talk to them anymore.

      My dad’s mother, on the other hand, saw that it didn’t MATTER. My sister is her grandchild, end of story. It took her a few years to get to that point, but my grandmother still got there and I’m eternally grateful for it.

      National pride is up there, too. I was lucky, being born in America at the end of the second millenium CE. That’s it. Cultural pride can lead really quickly to nationalism, and even if I hadn’t already been disillusioned with the whole bag of shit, 2016 really put a stake in the heart of the concept.

      I’m sorry if I didn’t address the heart of your problem, but I guess my point is to take pride in the good actions you and the people you’ve chosen commit, not in accidents of birth and geography.

    • He Who Abides
      He Who Abides
      June 4, 2019 at 11:01 pm | #

      Delicious Taffy – you can always invent your own traditions, you know. My fiancee and I have invented/appropriated a few, seeing as we have no real common culture between our families (I’m 100% Irish all the way back, and she’s Japanese enough to get furious when someone calls her Chinese) or actual connection to our genetic cultures, and it works out great.

      Just don’t ask about my family traditions I got from my father. Great guy, but I’m not sure what he was smoking when he came up with some of them.

  45. Jennifer Louise Mitchell
    Jennifer Louise Mitchell
    June 4, 2019 at 2:01 pm | #

    Hey, yeah, I started going through that probably 3-4 years ago. And with the state of America, it’s only gotten worse. I’ve done a couple of things to combat it. For one, I explored my more distant ancestry. My grandparents on my dad’s side were German, but Americanized so rapidly that my dad got almost none of that culture to pass on. And my great-grandparents were Dutch, but again, they shed their culture as quickly as they could to assimilate. I did some genealogical research to find out the places where my ancestors lived for multiple generations, and then learned about the cultures of those regions, and the history of the time period when they lived there. That helped me to gain a sense of roots, even though I’ve never visited those places myself. I hope to, some day, though!

    The other thing that I’ve done that has helped establish a sense of culture and identity is that my wife and I have started some of our own traditions. In some cases, they’re inspired by American traditions, but I’ve also been inspired by elements of the cultures of my ancestors. One example is “Yule”, which we celebrate on the winter solstice. At sundown on the shortest day of the year, we turn off all house lights except for a few strings of Christmas lights, and we light candles. We don’t turn computer/tv/phones or the electric lights back on until sunrise the next morning, and we leave at least one candle burning all night (usually in the sink once we go to bed). It’s cosy spending time in the candlelight with my spouse, and acts as a reminder of why people used to gather together so much in the darkest part of the year. If we ever have kids, I look forward to sharing that and other “new traditions” with them, and I hope they’ll carry that legacy forward.

  46. Alan in DC
    Alan in DC
    June 4, 2019 at 6:26 pm | #

    Google Image the “Fuku Den” restaurant.
    How would Joyce pronounce that place if it was in Bloomington? Ha!

    • HeySo
      HeySo
      June 4, 2019 at 9:41 pm | #

      Well, I guess she’d just have to say Fuku Den.

  47. Alan In DC
    Alan In DC
    June 26, 2019 at 9:28 pm | #

    Then there’s the “circus” tune ENTRY OF THE GLADIATORS … look up the name of the composer, then ask Joyce to try and pronounce it!

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mariobrothblog.bsky.social's user avatarSupper Mario Broth @mariobrothblog.bsky.social ⋅ 5d
In Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury, crouch-walking against a switch will make Mario vibrate extremely rapidly while emitting a barrage of "ha", "hoo", and "hmm" soundbites.
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