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I do believe that’s the point. Amber’s voyeuristic desires about her exes is the opposite of Daisy’s desperate desires for someone to hook her up with a lady (preferably breast window included).
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Eh, I like Danny and Sal. She needs someone who’ll love her without making her jump through hoops, and he needs someone who wants to be with him unreservedly.
I don’t like much about Amber but this specifically is really cringe to me. Please stop announcing you get off on the idea of your friends banging. Especially if they don’t like each other. Like just keep it to yourself.
I just feel like if I had a lesbian friend and told them I got an erection from the idea of her fucking someone else I knew I’d have earned myself a slap in the face. I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong on this.
It might make it a little more okay because she has a romantic history herself with both of the involved dudes, and in particular a sexual history with Danny (never got that far with Ethan), so maybe they are okay talking openly about this stuff.
Or not, I might be talking out of my butt here. Amber being inappropriate isn’t exactly out of character for her, she’s kind of a mess. Danny seems chill about it, but being chill about things is kind of his whole deal as well.
Things are legitimately different when guys vs. girls do them in a boy/girl relationship. When a straight fellow is turned on, the lady has to figure out if there’s an implicit threat.
(It sucks.)
Even so, *anyone* walking over with their hands in their pants is weirding me right out!
Oh well — it is a portrait of foolish college students, not a portrait of virtue or vice.
+1. It’s pretty cringe from Amber, but generally speaking, since gender dynamics aren’t equal…
(Plus in this case, both quoted parties were Amber’s boyfriends whom she had sexual feelings for – In one case, enthusiastically reciprocated; and in the other, there was enough of a lack of boundaries Ethan had zero problems with telling her about his escapades.
It’s MOST DEFINITELY NOT something I’d do but, uh. At least Danny doesn’t seem bothered by it.)
I mean even then it really depends on the relationship folks have with their exes. Like, *in general* this isn’t great, but *in specific* it can be fine.
But, yes, Amber’s a mess. Her two moods are bleak existential despair and giddy horniness and she’s pretty explicitly using her libido in this storyline to break out of her doomspiral. She and Joe are… not so different.
I mean, a lot of it depends on the sort of relationship that has been established.
As the Doctor notes, it would bother me a lot less having a male lover say that about me and my wife than a random stranger or male friend who was not also a sexual partner.
It’s different because we have a culture where woman arent permitted to endorse M-M , most Bi men are closeted, Most Women will refuse to date Bi men. and its been permitted for Women to display homophobia to men only for decades
Until all those stigmas ends , Yoai and Bara functions as a social good.
I am way out of my depth here, but people more knowledgeable about this than me have been highly critical of media fetishizing queer people and romances for a straight audience, that handling this stuff badly can hurt more than it helps and reinforce harmful attitudes.
I feel like gay/lesbian pornography only hurts as a result of a system that already hurts queer folks. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying porn of two dudes macking on each other, it’s only a problem when it exits outside that fantasy. Currently, well, yes, it does exist outside that fantasy to the detriment of queer men, but I don’t think there’s some kind of threshold to cross before it’s now morally acceptable to like gay porn. I think both can happen; porn can be porn, and people can be people.
In a vacuum, like, no, I do not actually think it’s exploitative for a man to create lesbian porn or for a woman to create gay porn; pornography is about fulfilling a desire, however that manifests. I don’t think it’s weird if a dude wants to think about girls kissing and then writes/draws that, I think it’s weird if “thinking about girls kissing” is the only level he cares to engage with queer woman on.
Or: Amber jilling off to Stucky isn’t a problem, it’s a problem when she expects and asks that same gratification from actual people, and if that gratification shapes how she views them.
Given the sheer amount of yaoi that perpetuates the stereotype that gay men are predatory a en r*pey, imma have to say nah to that one chief
These girls think Killing Stalking is a romance and the relationship is cute. Even if you have no idea what that is, it’s called fucking Killing Stalking
Yaoi is not meant for queer men, it’s porn for straight girls.
Which, like, it’s fine that it is, it’s okay to want porn of boys touching weiners, but I’m not gonna call lesbian pornography very clearly aimed at dudes a stepforward for lesbian acceptance or whatever.
Do they hopefully kill stalking so that no one ever does it again? I’m assuming by your words they don’t, but that would be a really good use of that title that’s not creepy and terrible af.
I’m a day too late lmao but it’s about a dude who gets caught stalking his crush so said crush holds him on false imprisonment and abuses him physically and. S-ually. Its meant to be a horrifying triller but there’s a large fan base thats more just. Into it.
“Especially if they don’t like each other.” I mean, the whole point was specifically that they actually liked each other, so, it’s quite the opposite, there.
Except they clearly don’t like each other now and Amber should know this since Ethan essentially told her so by calling Danny a backstabber. She was also imagining him making out with imaginsry Mike a guy we know Danny hated, which is fine for s private thought but it shows this is much less about her previous relationship with Danny and more about her personsl arousal at him being gay. For example she doesn’t give a crap about Sal and Danny together, cause it’s not really about Danny or his attractions or Ethan for that matter. Makes this feel less quirky and more selfish.
Something weird to me about Amber as a person is that for someone who constantly scrutinizes herself for behaviours that could be seen as socially awkward or a faux-pas, the one thing that has her dive right in is getting horny on main.
That’s not a “Amber is being problematic” comment or anything, mind, it’s something I find noteworthy about her.
Eh, I think there’s more than enough other stuff to make the case for deliberate self-sabotage, although this level of shamelessness is clearly for the sake of making jokes.
Aight I wrote this but: don’t treat the queer men in your life like this, straight girls.
It’s not actually woke and accepting to go “mmm yes fuck for my amusement” or for others to treat it as quirky and endearing and “taking ownership of your sexuality” or whatever when that ownership comes at the cost of queer men. Amber here is doing the exact thing I was fine brushing off with Ethan, because the two of them had the established boundary where this behaviour was something Ethan comfortably accepted, which Amber has obviously not with Danny vis-a-vis his sexuality.
This ain’t a story complaint, either in thinking it’s presented as endearingly quirky or even just the portrayal of prejudice in likeable and sympathetic characters; that’s not only something I think fiction absolutely should engage with more often, we also just got done Joyce reciting the comments section every time we find out Ruth isn’t actually a lesbian.
I know. I think it’s extremely true to Amber’s character, and it’s extremely true to the actions of far too many women.
To be perfectly frank, having a series like DoA where I know going in that there’s no desire to praise this behaviour helps me parse through the behaviour itself, much like we just did with Joyce and Ruth. I can think about why Amber thinks it, which is the point of a story.
I meant that in agreement to your comment, just to be clear.
Not specifically at you, aside from the grossness, as a not-out-to-myself gay trans man in high school, it also was super confusing to have all the weebs* I was friends with indicate that fetishizing gays was a normal thing for straight cis girls, which in turn made it hard to figure out that I was genuinely attracted to gay men, because I was one.
*I was also a weeb, so this was most of my friends and online friends
I always have dreams that I’m in public and can’t get my hand out of my pants. Like I’m somewhere private doing something private (not necessarily sexual, often just fixing my waistband or something) and then suddenly I’m in public with my hand in my pants and I can’t remove it and I’m trying to hide. In reality I’m usually sleeping on top of my own arm.
unfortunately I don’t think that’s what’s happening to Amber rn
So many things would have been cleared up easily if people were just honest about their feelings with the people they don’t want to hurt. Sure there are times that’s not the best decision but this would have helped.
And now for the significantly less drama-filled storyline in this book, “Amber gets arrested for Public Indecency and gets registered as a Sex Offender”…
…it still would be more chipper than the Joyce/Becky fun >_>.
……..no, it really just requires Joyce to stop sneering at Becky for being religious. That’s it. If Joyce turns out to be Bisexual and realizes it, then it would matter precisely dick when it comes to her relationship with Becky, because the whole problem is that Joyce openly thinks less of Becky for still being Christian.
I’d like to clarify I was making a joke about shipping and fanfics, and that I’m in zero hurry to rehash the discourse from the past days. Getting a strip with a different focus was a huge relief.
Man, I know playfulness often doesn’t translate well through text over the internet, but I’m starting to think I worded that joke far more poorly than I thought.
…Okay, alt text, you got me. I thought Danny was REALLY butchering Rockwell, but I just missed The Black Parade reference, which I really should have bought years ago.
“I’ll Leave You A Phantom” is also a line from this song. I’m incredibly torn that we’re getting a major MCR reference for the comic but that it’s about Mike, one of the worst characters in the whole comic.
This is fair! If Danny or Ethan are uncomfortable about this, or if they call Amber out, in any way, on how she’s treating them, I’d like to think all the commenters will back them up a lot.
I don’t understand-what is that statement trying to convey? That because she doesn’t respect boundaries well historically means she gets a pass when she does it now?
Frankly I think they’d have a hard time believing you used your gift of prophecy to see the future of a webcomic character’s arc rather than anything else.
Amber no. No, Amber. You cannot break up Danny and Sal by dangling Ethan because Danny/Sal makes your brain squirm. It’s not okay and also not going to work, because Danny.
You know, if that’s the end goal here. If you honestly just want to chat, carry on.
I don’t think this is as well reasoned out as any of that. This seems like Amber Horny, Amber Wants To Engage With It, and any considerations for who or what may actually happen long term will come later. Perhaps.
I hope Amber mentions the “I told Ethan about you and Sal” and “Ethan acts like you stabbed him in the back” parts of that conversation. Those would be good for Danny to know.
All in all, Danny’s taking this conversation in stride.
I don’t know if there is a better term for it and I don’t mean to use it with any negative connotation (and I think it is how it was used in the Oh Joy Sex Toy), but does that leans that Aber actually has a cuckhold fetish? and does that make Ethan the Bull?
Respecting boundaries aside, not all fantasies should become reality. There’s stuff that is fun when imagined but has the potential to go really, really bad when actually happening.
I’m not sure Amber can identify those fantasies. I’m not sure whether this specific fantasy belongs to that group.
I normally even kind of like Amber and deeply sympathise with her but jeez the way she talks about other peoples sex life or potential sex life, makes me deeply uncomfortable. Like what are boundaries even?
The women in this strip do not handle being around bi people responsibly. Feels like we oughta stick Joyce and Amber in some kind of sensitivity training program.
I might be biased, but honestly I’d be grateful if I knew my just existing had the power to provide someone with release and happiness, even if I couldn’t hold a conversation with them.
If someone got this horny over finding out i was bi and picturing me with their ex i would set them on fire.
The bridge would be nuked from orbit and our whole ass friend group would know how insanely creepy that person was in minutes
Unrelated to a lot of the conversation being had, that little panel with her going What. is so adorable, while peeking up and out. Which as I notice, is something she just tends to do for some reason.
The “characters being weird to bi people” arc of your life starts when you make it broadly clear to the average observer that you are bisexual, and ends whenever you stop doing that thing.
Yeah, as an out bi, can confirm. The moment you’re out the weirdos come flocking and they keep flocking until you give up and just let people assume your orientation matches your current relationship configuration.
Amber isn’t even close to the grossest comment I’ve had unsolicited about someone’s sexual fantasies involving bi people.
To say nothing of the thinly veiled violent threats.
All i know is my ex definitely saw me as a doorway to threesomes and definitely didn’t think sexual relations with women “counted”. I didn’t even realize how gross it was until i asked current bf how he’d feel if i slept /made out with a woman and the answer was uncomfortable unless he was also doing stuff bc, regardless of gender that’s still his partner being sexual with other people. He didn’t just find the idea hot.
(I’ve never actually been with other women for the record, it was just a hypothetical)
Like the straights get weirdly jealous or gross or both, the LGs get angry at you for existing or defensive of jealous or all 3 and the only folks who are more often than not decent on it are other bis/pans or trans folks.
When I lived and worked in Syracuse NY in the late 80s, I had a female friend who thought exactly like Amber is thinking right now.
Not being scornful or derogatory here, but I don’t get it. What’s the draw?
Actually I’ve got more to say on this, bi folk get.weird shit like this all the goddamn time, women get shit like this from alot of cishet men and bi men get it from cishet women, but we dont talk about that one nearly as much.
Its SUPER fucking gross, and I’ve experienced it myself, but I’ve been completely dismissed because I’m a masculine guy who must love that kind of attention.
I hope amber stops hypersexualizing it, because its
1): really uncomfortable and
2): REALLY unhealthy
Loss of contact with reality, loss of inhibitions and of the consciousness of being in a public space… I’m really afraid that from campus superhero Amber is slowly becoming the crazy pervert of the campus. I wonder how AmaziGirl will take it. Maybe she will decide to become the main personality?
Maybe that’s Amber’s agenda: so thoroughly disgust her preferred alter that AG is permanently wooed out of retirement and puts Amber out of her misery.
…what even happens to an alter when they don’t have the ‘spotlight’? Does it just feel like they’ve been asleep? Is the primary wanting to be displaced a quiet form of suicide?
If I had to guess he feels guilty for that original foot-in-mouth “would it be so bad if it took a while to wake up?” comment, but the feelings that motivated that comment are real af. If he regrets anything, it’s probably how it made Ethan feel afterwards; if Danny hadn’t said it then at least he could have still been Ethan’s friend when he was mourning.
If David Doty means what they said– last thing he said to Mike, rather than about Mike– it would be, “Goodbye forever, Mike.” Which, maybe unfortunate, but in context, pretty fair.
I could see him going either way on remembering that. It wasn’t a hugely different type of interaction than what he was used to from Mike, so it could just blend into his general impression of what Mike was like.
Yeah, that’s the kind of thing that could lead to a lot of unwarranted guilt if you think too much about it.
It’s one thing if the last thing you said to a close friend or partner is something hurtful in the midst of a fight, but being dismissive of an abusive asshole? I don’t see a problem.
Blehhh i was hoping this would be a one off gag but it’s not
I hope Danny calls her out for being creepy tomorrow because this is getting increasingly gross
My MCR hot take is Welcome To The Black Parade is their weakest album, it has a few bangers but otherwise isnt anywhere near as good as its hyped up to be
Actually kind of a cold take from my experience. Most people are either 3 Cheers or Bullets die hades and feel ambivalent to negative about black parade
We’re gonna get a line from somebody that she’s definitely Joe’s step-sister now for how gross she’s being and she’s gonna go completely batshit I’m callin it now
(Probably because I’ve only I’ve ever heard The Black Parade once (before listening to it now), and apparently didn’t pay any attention to the lyrics, so I couldn’t put music to what Danny’s singing, but Everybody Knows ended up being a big part of my teen years, since Dad’s a big Leonard Cohen fan…and so am I as a consequence… I’m mostly familiar with Gerard Way as a comic creator and only heard a few MCR songs as a consequence of that.)
re-read the archives, and suddenly, I realize a lot of the answers to questions that have bothered me about why our whole civilization seems to be run by idiots obsessed by what other people are doing with their genitals.
It clearly gets reinforced in College while the rest of us are out working for a living.
wow I genuinely hate Amber right now, all of Ethan’s pain was freaking white noise to her, literally the only thing she heard is “these two boys might like to kiss” and she tuned everything else now. Ethan, her friend for (over a decade??) is hurting but she cannot be arsed to be attention to that.
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Is there a reverse of Stereotype Daisy?
bc Amber seems like it
Daisy is usually a lot less forward than this.
Naw. I don’t really get the impression that Daisy is a voyeur.
Amber? Oh my yes.
I do believe that’s the point. Amber’s voyeuristic desires about her exes is the opposite of Daisy’s desperate desires for someone to hook her up with a lady (preferably breast window included).
Oh and the part where neither one is having their wish fulfilled
Almost makes me wanna write a show-tune song featuring them.
Unfortunately, I ran out of Red Bull.
Daisy almost gave Walky a job because a possibly hot girl licked his shirt. That’s voyeurism once removed, I think
I think that’s just being egregiously horny on main.
uh ? it’s even more in advance today. yay
Eventually the server’s clock will advance far enough back that we’ll be getting tomorrow’s strip today instead. The cycle will be complete then, as the strip will finally be updating at midnight again.
Allowing Phileas Fogg to win his stupid pointless bet.
…. wait, no, that’s not how that story went…
Hey Daniel, here’s the commission I promised!
It’s my first time animating something too!
Tag the Cricket really gets BLOWN in this one bruh!
https://imgur.com/a/dnWRGAg
That is a thing that is happening.
Seriously, though – excellent work on the animation.
He will yet have his REVENGE!
Spent a good couple minutes laughing and watching, looks great
Now, back to watching…
At which point we should get a leap-day strip. It’s only fair.
At the current rate of chronistic drift, we might actually fully loop around by 29 February 2024!
I’d love for it to become a thing Willis!!!
WELCOME TO THE BLACK PARADE!!!
Eh, I like Danny and Sal. She needs someone who’ll love her without making her jump through hoops, and he needs someone who wants to be with him unreservedly.
They’re talking about Danny singing the songs the titles are quoting, which the alt-text pointed out has happened twice in a row.
Can someone point me to when the first time was? Because I can’t find it.
This is it
My Chemical Romance does suit the general feel of DOA, innit ♥
Now I’ve got a ukulele cover of that in my head and I hate it
Amber is pretty much made for OT3s, isn’t she.
In both universes.
Technically, that’s a third universe. One where the drama tag had only just been pulled.
Amber being poly would either solve a lot of things, or make them worse. But I’d be down for it in both cases :3c
Come on Amber, at least tell us where your hand is, for science, of course.
Also I feel Danny is forgetting the real reason they didn’t together: Mike.
So what are the odds that Amber decides to write fanfiction of her exes/friends?
I don’t like much about Amber but this specifically is really cringe to me. Please stop announcing you get off on the idea of your friends banging. Especially if they don’t like each other. Like just keep it to yourself.
I just feel like if I had a lesbian friend and told them I got an erection from the idea of her fucking someone else I knew I’d have earned myself a slap in the face. I don’t know. Maybe I’m wrong on this.
It might make it a little more okay because she has a romantic history herself with both of the involved dudes, and in particular a sexual history with Danny (never got that far with Ethan), so maybe they are okay talking openly about this stuff.
Or not, I might be talking out of my butt here. Amber being inappropriate isn’t exactly out of character for her, she’s kind of a mess. Danny seems chill about it, but being chill about things is kind of his whole deal as well.
There would definitely be a much stronger negative reaction if this was a straight dude talking about his ex-girlfriends though.
Things are legitimately different when guys vs. girls do them in a boy/girl relationship. When a straight fellow is turned on, the lady has to figure out if there’s an implicit threat.
(It sucks.)
Even so, *anyone* walking over with their hands in their pants is weirding me right out!
Oh well — it is a portrait of foolish college students, not a portrait of virtue or vice.
+1. It’s pretty cringe from Amber, but generally speaking, since gender dynamics aren’t equal…
(Plus in this case, both quoted parties were Amber’s boyfriends whom she had sexual feelings for – In one case, enthusiastically reciprocated; and in the other, there was enough of a lack of boundaries Ethan had zero problems with telling her about his escapades.
It’s MOST DEFINITELY NOT something I’d do but, uh. At least Danny doesn’t seem bothered by it.)
Both have also read her fanfic and have had ample opportunities to let on that they’re bothered by it.
I mean straight girls dehumanizing and fetishizing gay men to their faces is A Thing.
there’s a reason no one likes fujoshi
This. People trying to say it’s not as big a deal is pretty fucking creepy and weird.
I mean even then it really depends on the relationship folks have with their exes. Like, *in general* this isn’t great, but *in specific* it can be fine.
But, yes, Amber’s a mess. Her two moods are bleak existential despair and giddy horniness and she’s pretty explicitly using her libido in this storyline to break out of her doomspiral. She and Joe are… not so different.
Honestly, Panel 2 Danny, being chill about being out, is definitively my favorite Danny.
You’re not wrong.
I mean, a lot of it depends on the sort of relationship that has been established.
As the Doctor notes, it would bother me a lot less having a male lover say that about me and my wife than a random stranger or male friend who was not also a sexual partner.
It’s different because we have a culture where woman arent permitted to endorse M-M , most Bi men are closeted, Most Women will refuse to date Bi men. and its been permitted for Women to display homophobia to men only for decades
Until all those stigmas ends , Yoai and Bara functions as a social good.
I am way out of my depth here, but people more knowledgeable about this than me have been highly critical of media fetishizing queer people and romances for a straight audience, that handling this stuff badly can hurt more than it helps and reinforce harmful attitudes.
What a person gets up to in the privacy of their own mind is their own business. *
If, however, they make it public, we get to savage them unmercifully to establish our moral superiority. **
* And maybe God’s, given a whole raft of assumptions.
** That is the way it works, isn’t it?
I feel like gay/lesbian pornography only hurts as a result of a system that already hurts queer folks. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying porn of two dudes macking on each other, it’s only a problem when it exits outside that fantasy. Currently, well, yes, it does exist outside that fantasy to the detriment of queer men, but I don’t think there’s some kind of threshold to cross before it’s now morally acceptable to like gay porn. I think both can happen; porn can be porn, and people can be people.
In a vacuum, like, no, I do not actually think it’s exploitative for a man to create lesbian porn or for a woman to create gay porn; pornography is about fulfilling a desire, however that manifests. I don’t think it’s weird if a dude wants to think about girls kissing and then writes/draws that, I think it’s weird if “thinking about girls kissing” is the only level he cares to engage with queer woman on.
Or: Amber jilling off to Stucky isn’t a problem, it’s a problem when she expects and asks that same gratification from actual people, and if that gratification shapes how she views them.
Given the sheer amount of yaoi that perpetuates the stereotype that gay men are predatory a en r*pey, imma have to say nah to that one chief
These girls think Killing Stalking is a romance and the relationship is cute. Even if you have no idea what that is, it’s called fucking Killing Stalking
Yeah that.
Yaoi is not meant for queer men, it’s porn for straight girls.
Which, like, it’s fine that it is, it’s okay to want porn of boys touching weiners, but I’m not gonna call lesbian pornography very clearly aimed at dudes a stepforward for lesbian acceptance or whatever.
I’m glad someone said it
Do they hopefully kill stalking so that no one ever does it again? I’m assuming by your words they don’t, but that would be a really good use of that title that’s not creepy and terrible af.
I’m a day too late lmao but it’s about a dude who gets caught stalking his crush so said crush holds him on false imprisonment and abuses him physically and. S-ually. Its meant to be a horrifying triller but there’s a large fan base thats more just. Into it.
“Especially if they don’t like each other.” I mean, the whole point was specifically that they actually liked each other, so, it’s quite the opposite, there.
Except they clearly don’t like each other now and Amber should know this since Ethan essentially told her so by calling Danny a backstabber. She was also imagining him making out with imaginsry Mike a guy we know Danny hated, which is fine for s private thought but it shows this is much less about her previous relationship with Danny and more about her personsl arousal at him being gay. For example she doesn’t give a crap about Sal and Danny together, cause it’s not really about Danny or his attractions or Ethan for that matter. Makes this feel less quirky and more selfish.
Something weird to me about Amber as a person is that for someone who constantly scrutinizes herself for behaviours that could be seen as socially awkward or a faux-pas, the one thing that has her dive right in is getting horny on main.
That’s not a “Amber is being problematic” comment or anything, mind, it’s something I find noteworthy about her.
Eh, I think there’s more than enough other stuff to make the case for deliberate self-sabotage, although this level of shamelessness is clearly for the sake of making jokes.
“I have a lot of hangups, but not about sex.”
Aight I wrote this but: don’t treat the queer men in your life like this, straight girls.
It’s not actually woke and accepting to go “mmm yes fuck for my amusement” or for others to treat it as quirky and endearing and “taking ownership of your sexuality” or whatever when that ownership comes at the cost of queer men. Amber here is doing the exact thing I was fine brushing off with Ethan, because the two of them had the established boundary where this behaviour was something Ethan comfortably accepted, which Amber has obviously not with Danny vis-a-vis his sexuality.
This ain’t a story complaint, either in thinking it’s presented as endearingly quirky or even just the portrayal of prejudice in likeable and sympathetic characters; that’s not only something I think fiction absolutely should engage with more often, we also just got done Joyce reciting the comments section every time we find out Ruth isn’t actually a lesbian.
it’s very realistic to Amber’s age, sexuality, and immersion in fandom (but as a gay yes confirmed gross even without the public maybe masturbation)
I know. I think it’s extremely true to Amber’s character, and it’s extremely true to the actions of far too many women.
To be perfectly frank, having a series like DoA where I know going in that there’s no desire to praise this behaviour helps me parse through the behaviour itself, much like we just did with Joyce and Ruth. I can think about why Amber thinks it, which is the point of a story.
I meant that in agreement to your comment, just to be clear.
Not specifically at you, aside from the grossness, as a not-out-to-myself gay trans man in high school, it also was super confusing to have all the weebs* I was friends with indicate that fetishizing gays was a normal thing for straight cis girls, which in turn made it hard to figure out that I was genuinely attracted to gay men, because I was one.
*I was also a weeb, so this was most of my friends and online friends
I guess I get your point. Having some breathing room per say is really handy in figuring yourself out.
Bottom row: https://www.egscomics.com/comic/party-043
Another case where good friends are allowed transgressions of the general rules.
I think it’s important
Me too
I think the answer depends entirely on how much foot traffic this area of IU gets. Maybe she can get away with it.
Here’s an interesting thought experiment to keep your brains busy
Would it be easier to get away with it there or at a beach, and why?
I always have dreams that I’m in public and can’t get my hand out of my pants. Like I’m somewhere private doing something private (not necessarily sexual, often just fixing my waistband or something) and then suddenly I’m in public with my hand in my pants and I can’t remove it and I’m trying to hide. In reality I’m usually sleeping on top of my own arm.
unfortunately I don’t think that’s what’s happening to Amber rn
Yeah, Amber. I think it’s of *some* importance.
omg Amber you WYLIN lmaoooo
Horny Amber = Best Amber
Now you see, that just says a lot about Non-Horny Amber. Because Horny Amber = Creepy Amber.
Dumbing of Age Book 11: Is Your Hand In Your Pants Right Now
12?
nice
We’re in book 12 now, but yeah this is a great book title.
it’s more of a slipshine title tho
So many things would have been cleared up easily if people were just honest about their feelings with the people they don’t want to hurt. Sure there are times that’s not the best decision but this would have helped.
I’m not entirely convinced of that. At least not right away.
Amber’s feelings about Ethan being gay weren’t as simple as “Yay! sexual fantasy”.
yeah, she says that now but she may have taken it really poorly back then
And now for the significantly less drama-filled storyline in this book, “Amber gets arrested for Public Indecency and gets registered as a Sex Offender”…
…it still would be more chipper than the Joyce/Becky fun >_>.
See, the thing with Joyce/Becky fun is that it’d require Joyce to
stop being an atheist wholesalerealize that she’s bi.I’d like to see it, but as a fanfic. Dina deserves better, and my ship is Doroyce.
……..no, it really just requires Joyce to stop sneering at Becky for being religious. That’s it. If Joyce turns out to be Bisexual and realizes it, then it would matter precisely dick when it comes to her relationship with Becky, because the whole problem is that Joyce openly thinks less of Becky for still being Christian.
I’d like to clarify I was making a joke about shipping and fanfics, and that I’m in zero hurry to rehash the discourse from the past days. Getting a strip with a different focus was a huge relief.
Aaaah, okay, sorry, misunderstood, all good :).
It’d require Joyce to have romantic feelings for Becky, which she definitely doesn’t, regardless of her sexuality.
Man, I know playfulness often doesn’t translate well through text over the internet, but I’m starting to think I worded that joke far more poorly than I thought.
The occasional emote might help!
You worded it fine, the joke is clear. I responded with a serious answer and failed to acknowledge that I was responding to a joke, that’s my fuck up.
…Okay, alt text, you got me. I thought Danny was REALLY butchering Rockwell, but I just missed The Black Parade reference, which I really should have bought years ago.
I mistook it for the Rockwell song at first too.
What the FUCK do you mean it’s not the Rockwell song?
https://youtu.be/pInrJ72eeUU?t=116
“I’ll Leave You A Phantom” is also a line from this song. I’m incredibly torn that we’re getting a major MCR reference for the comic but that it’s about Mike, one of the worst characters in the whole comic.
“Sometimes I get the feeling…
she’s watching over me.”
I only just realized Amber’s doing that right now LOL
“Your misery and hate will kill us all.”
Basically Ethan right now.
Hopefully they aren’t also among the worst?
Tmi Amber.
Haha that’s gross and inappropriate but I’d be lying if I didn’t find it pretty fucking hot.
Amber in general, or the OT3?
Can’t speak for Yotomoe, but definitely Amber.
She’s as hot as EMBERS right now 🤪
Amber in general but also it’s really hot to me when a girl is incredibly aroused. Girls being horny makes me horny I guess.
Absolutely 100% Understandable, fam. Also I don’t think I’ve ever told you how much I appreciate your art /o/
Me too! I’m luvin’ it!
Well gee thanks. I’m too busy to draw anything lately.
Poor Amber probably never realized that Mike and Ethan were together.
She did. She asked Ethan and Ethan told her, with deets
Jesus Danny, Haven’t you ever read “Kiss him not me?” This is first grade!
I have not read that, but it doesn’t sound like first-grader reading material
I’ll admit even with my hatred of fujoshi, kiss him not me is a damn banger. I mean, you can’t have a character like Asuma and expect me not love it
o3o also if anyone noticed I was absent from the last few comics. That was intentional. Not touching that discourse.
Would you be willing to touch some pixel art that’s only superficially related though?
I applaud your restraint in not getting involved.
kinda creepy to be fetishizing real peoples’ sexualities. these aren’t characters made for your sexual gratification, amber, they’re your friends…
super agreed
This is fair! If Danny or Ethan are uncomfortable about this, or if they call Amber out, in any way, on how she’s treating them, I’d like to think all the commenters will back them up a lot.
(…Okay, not all the commenters. We never agree on anything. But, a lot of us.)
She’s being an enormous creep right now.
yeah its almost like amber is really really bad at these specific kinds of boundaries or something
She is and i hate ittt
I don’t understand-what is that statement trying to convey? That because she doesn’t respect boundaries well historically means she gets a pass when she does it now?
Amber is officially transfering from being a superhero comic book character to being an edgy adult animation character.
…you’re doing it wrong Amber. When Danny, for example, ceased trying to be a Rom-Com character he didn’t go looking for a new genre.
Nah she’s becoming a cringy slice of life anime comic relief character
Not a critique of Willis’s writing, just a critique of this type of person overall
How are those two things different? And why is crotoquing Willis’ writing a bad thing?
Critiquing?
As long as she doesn’t become the protagonist in a Korean romance novel isekai, all is good.
Fantastic!
Now ship it
Now ship it
S-ship it real good
When a pairing comes along, you must ship it
I say ship it
Ship it good
If you told everyone in 2011 that Danny would become a bisexual, ukulele-playing MCR fan, no one would’ve believed you.
Yet it’s clearly the best possible destiny for him :’3
Frankly I think they’d have a hard time believing you used your gift of prophecy to see the future of a webcomic character’s arc rather than anything else.
In fairness, there’s only so many times you can win the lottery before you have more money than you could ever spend on your own
Insert joke about gay dudes not knowing what women want.
Y’know what, this is a super old picture but I think it’s relevant.
(NSFW)
Super swell bruh!!!
Amazing
yeah, exactly as I think Amber is doing
Amber no. No, Amber. You cannot break up Danny and Sal by dangling Ethan because Danny/Sal makes your brain squirm. It’s not okay and also not going to work, because Danny.
You know, if that’s the end goal here. If you honestly just want to chat, carry on.
I don’t think this is as well reasoned out as any of that. This seems like Amber Horny, Amber Wants To Engage With It, and any considerations for who or what may actually happen long term will come later. Perhaps.
Yeah, Amber just wants any and all details about how they were hot for each other.
It’s also not going to work because Ethan.
Her boyfriends doin’ it would be the “Batman and Superman touching peens” of Amber’s dreams!
I thought at first that the hovertext was talking about the strip title.
That’s how it goes
Everybody knows
Yandere Amber is weird
I think this is Fujoshi Amber. Yandere would be a lot more protective and violent.
Yeah, this is definitely not yandere.
I didn’t need to know that, Amber. XD
Here it seems that both Danny and Amber think of Danny as Amber’s ex-boyfriend. Not Amazi-Girl’s. Is that odd?
I think Amber’s too distracted to fuss over the details
I hope Amber mentions the “I told Ethan about you and Sal” and “Ethan acts like you stabbed him in the back” parts of that conversation. Those would be good for Danny to know.
All in all, Danny’s taking this conversation in stride.
Amber’s smooth in 1st and 2nd panel, like a smol Diglett…
Wonder if Willis did that on purpose to subtly allude to her “digging and living in a hole” (FUCK how I hate that phrase in this context)
I don’t know if there is a better term for it and I don’t mean to use it with any negative connotation (and I think it is how it was used in the Oh Joy Sex Toy), but does that leans that Aber actually has a cuckhold fetish? and does that make Ethan the Bull?
I think that her fetish is more about voyeurism and gay sex, like the “lesbian” category in porn
Both being her exes being an added bonus
Respecting boundaries aside, not all fantasies should become reality. There’s stuff that is fun when imagined but has the potential to go really, really bad when actually happening.
I’m not sure Amber can identify those fantasies. I’m not sure whether this specific fantasy belongs to that group.
That avatar feels inappropriate.
I normally even kind of like Amber and deeply sympathise with her but jeez the way she talks about other peoples sex life or potential sex life, makes me deeply uncomfortable. Like what are boundaries even?
The women in this strip do not handle being around bi people responsibly. Feels like we oughta stick Joyce and Amber in some kind of sensitivity training program.
Becky does!
I might be biased, but honestly I’d be grateful if I knew my just existing had the power to provide someone with release and happiness, even if I couldn’t hold a conversation with them.
Hmmm… biased… Bi – Assed
If someone got this horny over finding out i was bi and picturing me with their ex i would set them on fire.
The bridge would be nuked from orbit and our whole ass friend group would know how insanely creepy that person was in minutes
They might start making out for all we know. Amber is a Dotty with a different paintjob after all.
Yeah, maybe don’t jill off when talking to people, especially not in public.
Unrelated to a lot of the conversation being had, that little panel with her going What. is so adorable, while peeking up and out. Which as I notice, is something she just tends to do for some reason.
Amber please
Public fucking decency
See, THAT’S fucking weird.
Is this just the characters being weird to bi people arc.
The “characters being weird to bi people” arc of your life starts when you make it broadly clear to the average observer that you are bisexual, and ends whenever you stop doing that thing.
Yeah, as an out bi, can confirm. The moment you’re out the weirdos come flocking and they keep flocking until you give up and just let people assume your orientation matches your current relationship configuration.
Amber isn’t even close to the grossest comment I’ve had unsolicited about someone’s sexual fantasies involving bi people.
To say nothing of the thinly veiled violent threats.
All i know is my ex definitely saw me as a doorway to threesomes and definitely didn’t think sexual relations with women “counted”. I didn’t even realize how gross it was until i asked current bf how he’d feel if i slept /made out with a woman and the answer was uncomfortable unless he was also doing stuff bc, regardless of gender that’s still his partner being sexual with other people. He didn’t just find the idea hot.
(I’ve never actually been with other women for the record, it was just a hypothetical)
Can relate, God I hate it so much
yup, half the reason i don’t bother coming out anymore is just how fuckin weird everyone decides to get
Right?!
Like the straights get weirdly jealous or gross or both, the LGs get angry at you for existing or defensive of jealous or all 3 and the only folks who are more often than not decent on it are other bis/pans or trans folks.
“I always feel like… somebody’s watchin’ me!”
“I WOULD be watching if you and Ethan had hooked up!”
Icky Amber considerations aside, I really love how Danny is taking this conversation so nonchalantly.
Is this Garbage Roof or Danny’s Wall?
Amber, please. No.
When I lived and worked in Syracuse NY in the late 80s, I had a female friend who thought exactly like Amber is thinking right now.
Not being scornful or derogatory here, but I don’t get it. What’s the draw?
Amber that’s
Really creepy actually
Actually I’ve got more to say on this, bi folk get.weird shit like this all the goddamn time, women get shit like this from alot of cishet men and bi men get it from cishet women, but we dont talk about that one nearly as much.
Its SUPER fucking gross, and I’ve experienced it myself, but I’ve been completely dismissed because I’m a masculine guy who must love that kind of attention.
I hope amber stops hypersexualizing it, because its
1): really uncomfortable and
2): REALLY unhealthy
3) REALLY illegal – She could get kicked out of college and be charged for this if she is legitimately hand down in public
Hm, way to be gross, Amber.
Love Danny in this strip, though! So it kind of balances out.
Danny is fourth-wall aware, but only through his music.
Loss of contact with reality, loss of inhibitions and of the consciousness of being in a public space… I’m really afraid that from campus superhero Amber is slowly becoming the crazy pervert of the campus. I wonder how AmaziGirl will take it. Maybe she will decide to become the main personality?
Maybe that’s Amber’s agenda: so thoroughly disgust her preferred alter that AG is permanently wooed out of retirement and puts Amber out of her misery.
…what even happens to an alter when they don’t have the ‘spotlight’? Does it just feel like they’ve been asleep? Is the primary wanting to be displaced a quiet form of suicide?
A bit like sleep as far as I can tell from my own experiences with my own alters
Maybe it’s like watching a tv or something, only you have the construct of a mental apartment?
After all the Joyce and Becky stuff, it’s really a nice palate cleanser to just imagine Danny furiously strumming out The Black Parade on a ukulele.
Even if we’re ignoring whatever Amber’s furiously strumming out behind the chair.
I’m getting a mental image of Danny as Miguel from Road to El Dorado
Look, if he can do a recognizable rendition of the solo in Dead! on a ukulele he deserves every bit of clout he can get.
We still haven’t ever seen Danny reflect on the last thing he said to Mike, have we? Does he even remember?
He panicked a lot when he saw Ethan so, probably.
If I had to guess he feels guilty for that original foot-in-mouth “would it be so bad if it took a while to wake up?” comment, but the feelings that motivated that comment are real af. If he regrets anything, it’s probably how it made Ethan feel afterwards; if Danny hadn’t said it then at least he could have still been Ethan’s friend when he was mourning.
If David Doty means what they said– last thing he said to Mike, rather than about Mike– it would be, “Goodbye forever, Mike.” Which, maybe unfortunate, but in context, pretty fair.
I could see him going either way on remembering that. It wasn’t a hugely different type of interaction than what he was used to from Mike, so it could just blend into his general impression of what Mike was like.
Yeah, that’s the kind of thing that could lead to a lot of unwarranted guilt if you think too much about it.
It’s one thing if the last thing you said to a close friend or partner is something hurtful in the midst of a fight, but being dismissive of an abusive asshole? I don’t see a problem.
Ah, my bad.
Emotionally, I think he’d feel bad. Rationally, he’d probably understand both where those words and those feelings came from.
Blehhh i was hoping this would be a one off gag but it’s not
I hope Danny calls her out for being creepy tomorrow because this is getting increasingly gross
No kidding, she’s now masturbating in public over the idea of her ex’s together, while talking to one. That’s just…
WTAF
What in the actual fuck, Amber? That’s just… Creepy
It’s a little important.
Please no masturbating in public.
…It took the joke tag as a real one
TheMoreYouKnow.wav
Booooo Black Parade is Plebian MCR stuff, gimme Vampires Will Never Hurt you!
My MCR hot take is Welcome To The Black Parade is their weakest album, it has a few bangers but otherwise isnt anywhere near as good as its hyped up to be
Actually kind of a cold take from my experience. Most people are either 3 Cheers or Bullets die hades and feel ambivalent to negative about black parade
If I were to rank their albums I’d probably sat
1: bullets
2: Danger Days (probably the only person alive who’d rank it better then 3 cheers)
3: 3 cheers
4 Black Parade
and they only Ever had 4 albums……. only 4
It’s kinda important
We’re gonna get a line from somebody that she’s definitely Joe’s step-sister now for how gross she’s being and she’s gonna go completely batshit I’m callin it now
Amber, stop sexually harassing your friends/ex
Sometimes I feel very foreign to this fanbase.
And yet, it’s the strip title that earworms me.
(Probably because I’ve only I’ve ever heard The Black Parade once (before listening to it now), and apparently didn’t pay any attention to the lyrics, so I couldn’t put music to what Danny’s singing, but Everybody Knows ended up being a big part of my teen years, since Dad’s a big Leonard Cohen fan…and so am I as a consequence… I’m mostly familiar with Gerard Way as a comic creator and only heard a few MCR songs as a consequence of that.)
re-read the archives, and suddenly, I realize a lot of the answers to questions that have bothered me about why our whole civilization seems to be run by idiots obsessed by what other people are doing with their genitals.
It clearly gets reinforced in College while the rest of us are out working for a living.
wow I genuinely hate Amber right now, all of Ethan’s pain was freaking white noise to her, literally the only thing she heard is “these two boys might like to kiss” and she tuned everything else now. Ethan, her friend for (over a decade??) is hurting but she cannot be arsed to be attention to that.
I’m seriously laughing right now. I so love the characters in your comic. Thanks.
It’s not not important.