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by David M Willis on November 17, 2021 at 12:01 am
  • 02 – I'll Leave You A Phantom
└ Tags: amber, mike

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    November 17, 2021 at 12:05 am | #

    Mike still Mike-ing even from beyond her head

    • Clif
      Clif
      November 17, 2021 at 1:55 am | #

      You know, a lot of people mention the ghost Mike artwork as lacking the detail of Real Mike, and that may be so as Willis’s style shifted, but when I go back and look at earlier Mike, say around the time of “Mike and Men” I’m not at all sure I see that much difference. See for example https://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/followthrough/ .

      • carms
        carms
        November 17, 2021 at 3:46 am | #

        it’s jsut that BrainMike is flats only, no shading. Mike’s always been fairly flat, it hink, he hasn’t had like, hair shinies like Amber has here, but he’s still got shadows on his corporeal, interacts-with-light-sources living body

        • Decidedly Orthogonal
          Decidedly Orthogonal
          November 17, 2021 at 8:34 am | #

          He /had/ shadows. Now he’s all shade.

          • Clif
            Clif
            November 17, 2021 at 8:35 pm | #

            +1

      • motorfirebox
        motorfirebox
        November 17, 2021 at 8:28 am | #

        I can see a difference even there. Not-Dead Mike has shading around his ears, the back of his head, and under his chin. Dead Mike has no shading at all aside from a thin line on his shirt, in a situation where the other character is shaded almost completely.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          November 17, 2021 at 10:15 am | #

          And that line’s only there to break his shoulder from the black background.

      • Clif
        Clif
        November 17, 2021 at 5:06 pm | #

        Fair enough, though I’m really talking about the speculation that Mike has less detail because Amber is slowly forgetting what he looked like. I’m not really a visually oriented person, but I’m not really seeing an accumulating loss of detail.

        • KiaStirling
          KiaStirling
          November 17, 2021 at 7:03 pm | #

          There isn’t. Original ghost-Mike looks just like current ghost-Mike. No shading on either of them. Ghost-Mike hasn’t evolved (or devolved) visually as best I can tell. <a href="https://www.dumbingofage.com/2020/comic/book-10/02-to-remind-you-of-my-love/ruining/"(first appearance of Ghost-Mike)

          • KiaStirling
            KiaStirling
            November 17, 2021 at 7:05 pm | #

            and I forgot my closing bracket. thanks me.

  2. King Daniel
    King Daniel
    November 17, 2021 at 12:05 am | #

    Your audience is beyond the fourth wall, Amber

    • Juanoku
      Juanoku
      November 17, 2021 at 4:55 pm | #

      And also we can see your hallucinations, so please continue

  3. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    November 17, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

    “Audience”..You know it’s like one person and that one person is Dina watching on her phone because Dina’s too good for Amber.

    • ThunderNight
      ThunderNight
      November 17, 2021 at 12:08 am | #

      Dina Gaming

    • newlland(Henryvolt)
      newlland(Henryvolt)
      November 17, 2021 at 12:18 am | #

      I’m sure Amber is just pretty enough to get a 20 to 30 average person audience, which is already hard enough for newbie streamers.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        November 17, 2021 at 10:05 am | #

        She’s a lady laying retro video games, 20 viewers is probably the floor for her view count just by default.

  4. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    November 17, 2021 at 12:06 am | #

    Wait Amber started streaming? I’m actually impressed, that’s some major improvement.

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      November 17, 2021 at 12:07 am | #

      Wonder if that’d help some with her tuition.

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        November 17, 2021 at 12:10 am | #

        I doubt she’s got a huge audience, I’m just impressed that Amber’s able to get out and perform for any audience.

        • Wizard
          Wizard
          November 17, 2021 at 12:30 am | #

          Her interaction with the audience is highly mediated. That probably helps. Kind of like the way early SP Amber was only able to interact with customers from behind her desk.

          • Needfuldoer
            Needfuldoer
            November 17, 2021 at 10:02 am | #

            It’s a lot easier to interact with people when they’re just words on a screen.

        • hastur
          hastur
          November 17, 2021 at 12:14 pm | #

          I’m probably close to Amber’s level of introversion and have pretty strong performance anxiety and some social anxiety, but I was able to DJ my own radio show as an undergrad, and do sports radio (play-by-play and commentary for games, and a call-in talk show) as a grad student. I think not having the audience be visible, and having no chance of feedback made it OK.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 17, 2021 at 10:12 am | #

      As long as she doesn’t turn into Mike Matei…

      Amber: *Raging at 3 AM because she finished 8-4 three frames late*
      Dina: *Squeezing the dino plushie’s arm over her ear as she’s trying to sleep* “This is a dorm of madness.”

  5. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    November 17, 2021 at 12:07 am | #

    The alt-text is reassuring. I’d hate to think Amber uses her onboard mic.

    • Deanatay
      Deanatay
      November 17, 2021 at 7:05 am | #

      Although you could say her “onboard Mike” is a big part of the problem.

      • Decidedly Orthogonal
        Decidedly Orthogonal
        November 17, 2021 at 8:41 am | #

        Bravo

  6. BBCC
    BBCC
    November 17, 2021 at 12:08 am | #

    Wow, Willis, way to call out this fandom. XD

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      November 17, 2021 at 12:08 am | #

      Okay, grav roulette, let’s do this.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        November 17, 2021 at 12:09 am | #

        Welp, two parter I suppose!

        • Sirksome
          Sirksome
          November 17, 2021 at 12:11 am | #

          What? Don’t like Blowjob Cat?.. I hate that one too.

          • BBCC
            BBCC
            November 17, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

            I just want my gravitar to be a person. Nothing against blowjob cat.

            • Thag Simmons
              Thag Simmons
              November 17, 2021 at 12:16 am | #

              Good self preservation instinct, don’t anger the cat.

  7. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    November 17, 2021 at 12:10 am | #

    Because of overday’s “events” at topwebcomics.com, I wonder if we’re about to have the Dumbing of Age/Girl Genius Fandom War.

    • drs
      drs
      November 17, 2021 at 12:12 am | #

      ?

      • AY
        AY
        November 17, 2021 at 12:13 am | #

        check Willis’s twitter!

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        November 17, 2021 at 12:14 am | #

        The relevant twitter thread

        Could also check the sidebar.

        • Thag Simmons
          Thag Simmons
          November 17, 2021 at 12:15 am | #

          I think I fucked up the tags, does this link work?

          • Rose Red
            Rose Red
            November 17, 2021 at 2:05 am | #

            Yes.

            And oh my goodness, I stopped reading Flaky Pastry a few years ago when there was a dry spell between updates and I lost my bookmarks. I’d completely forgotten it existed. And now I have archives to catch up on!

            • Clif
              Clif
              November 17, 2021 at 3:52 am | #

              So if I got this right, each of us could go to https://www.topwebcomics.com/vote/ every 24 hours, and look at the little cartoon displayed and check the character name on the random cartoon to prove we’re human and click the vote button to move Dumbing of Age up the list.

              It’s not really as much of a proof of being human as it used to be.

              • Rose Red
                Rose Red
                November 17, 2021 at 11:21 am | #

                Pretty much.

                I know that the one who was in the #1 slot when I looked last night, the author/artist is very good about updating the image that you see after voting every month, and reminding their readers about it and to vote. Aside from that one… well, there’s a lot more erotica-ish comics near the top of that list than I remember there being the previous time I looked.

                • Kamino Neko
                  Kamino Neko
                  November 17, 2021 at 6:13 pm | #

                  I think ‘erotica-ish’ is an understatement. Lots of straight up porn (or ‘pron’ as at least two of the comics spell it)…most of it using the same 3d models, so I suspect from the same people, suggesting, assuming these are all ongoing (would assume them to have dropped to the bottom otherwise), they’re pretty lazy.

              • LiterallyJustSomeGuy
                LiterallyJustSomeGuy
                November 17, 2021 at 3:36 pm | #

                I think people can actually vote every three hours. Also, I think that website now has a way to buy votes from them.

              • Clif
                Clif
                November 17, 2021 at 8:47 pm | #

                Let’s try that again. https://www.topwebcomics.com/vote/26902 Curently DOA looks to be 96 votes behind Girl Genius. From 3 machines, I could provide 3 votes a day.

                • Clif
                  Clif
                  November 17, 2021 at 11:21 pm | #

                  And down to a difference of 81, after the third vote, so someone is voting.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      November 17, 2021 at 12:13 am | #

      I think you are wildly overestimating the number of people who care.

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      November 17, 2021 at 12:19 am | #

      Dina canonically exists in Girl Genius, mind you.

      As a Spark.

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        November 17, 2021 at 12:37 am | #

        Source?

        • Slartibeast Button, BIA
          Slartibeast Button, BIA
          November 17, 2021 at 12:40 am | #

          https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20181031

          • The Wellerman
            The Wellerman
            November 17, 2021 at 12:41 am | #

            Thanks! By the way, she doesn’t look electrical here?

            What exactly is a “Spark”?

            • Slartibeast Button, BIA
              Slartibeast Button, BIA
              November 17, 2021 at 12:49 am | #

              A “Spark” is a classic B-movie Mad Scientist, who rants and
              chews the scenery as they create unspeakable monsters based on Things Man Was Not Meant To Know, so they can “SHOW THEM! SHOW THEM ALL!”

              • King Daniel
                King Daniel
                November 17, 2021 at 12:55 am | #

                (And in the universe of Girl Genius, people born with The Spark rule the world. Or misrule it, as it may be.)

              • The Wellerman
                The Wellerman
                November 17, 2021 at 2:17 am | #

                Oh thanks!

                And also, while we’re at it, what’s the term used for streamers who’s audiences only come for their girlfriend?

                I tried to look it up on urban dictionary, with no success. 🤔

                • Clif
                  Clif
                  November 17, 2021 at 3:56 am | #

                  I believe the correct term is fortunate.

                • Rose by Any Other Name
                  Rose by Any Other Name
                  November 17, 2021 at 7:45 pm | #

                  @Wellerman
                  … phrasing.

  8. Kyrik Michalowski
    Kyrik Michalowski
    November 17, 2021 at 12:14 am | #

    This is why I don’t talk to my hallucination, getting into an argument is bad enough but it is so much worse if done out loud.

    I wonder how her audience will react/are reacting to this sudden revelation. Will it get her more viewers or less?

  9. Bagge
    Bagge
    November 17, 2021 at 12:16 am | #

    Getting meta to dangerous levels there. It’s not like we start cheering any time Dina pop in or anything

    • Clif
      Clif
      November 17, 2021 at 5:19 pm | #

      We don’t? I thought it went without saying.

  10. Viktoria
    Viktoria
    November 17, 2021 at 12:17 am | #

    MUTE BUTTON AMBER. MUTE. And make it a toggle. This isn’t that hard. I get that as a speedrunner, push-to-talk isn’t an easy thing(though someone could probably set you up with a pedal scavenged from an amp or something), but you should not have anything audible from your room unless you explicitly want it to be.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 17, 2021 at 10:22 am | #

      Many years ago, I made a push-to-talk foot switch out of a Staples “easy button” and an old Playstation controller board, which connected to the PC through a RadioShack Playstation-to-USB adapter. It worked great, and was one less control to bind to the keyboard.

      It should be even easier to build something now that USB device project boards like the Teensy exist.

  11. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    November 17, 2021 at 12:18 am | #

    “They only pay attention when Dina’s head pops onscreen.”

    …Does Amber’s audience consist entirely of Becky’s alt accounts?

    • C Harrison Fuller
      C Harrison Fuller
      November 17, 2021 at 9:45 am | #

      Becky; “You fool, I have created FORTY alternative accounts!”

  12. Spencer
    Spencer
    November 17, 2021 at 12:21 am | #

    Ghost Mike provides a pretty interesting story function: he’s a Mike created in Amber’s head, who hung out with the real Mike all the time, and everything he says to her is worst possible thing she can hear.

    However. that worst thing that Amber never wants to hear, and never accepted when told by Danny, Ethan and her mom, is that she’s not a horrible, irredeemable scumbag. She’s okay if below average, she’s done good and bad things, she misses Mike despite everything, she should tell Ethan Mike’s last words that the both of them were his best friends, her dad lies all the time and he was lying when he declared Amber weak and worthless. Ghost Mike here is that relentless criticism Mike could dispense at the drop of a hat aimed at Amber’s biggest monster yet; her complete and utter inability to accept that her flaws and mistakes don’t ruin her.

    Ghost Mike lays it out pretty clearly right here: he says the meanest, most correct thing possible.

    https://www.dumbingofage.com/2020/comic/book-10/02-to-remind-you-of-my-love/badthings/

    He’s not just a Mike who made Amber feel like shit all the time to toughen her up, he’s a Mike that lives inside Amber’s brain more than the real Mike ever did, and I think the following strip implies that Amber understood Mike’s attempts at help, because she saw them in her dad and despised it. The real Mike, the one that lives in Amber’s head, tells Amber what she knows; Mike wouldn’t have regretted a damn thing dying to save her life.

    Ghost Mike here is gonna drag Amber kicking and screaming into the truth; she’s okay, kinda below average, actually, and nothing is gonna be able to stop him.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      November 17, 2021 at 12:27 am | #

      Amber did tell Ethan

  13. Endplanets
    Endplanets
    November 17, 2021 at 12:25 am | #

    Bah, since is audio only, or a small camera only, she can just pass it off as someone down the hall. Too far away to hear.

    But now everyone knows she is Amazi-Girl.
    Listen, there is a time and place for Batman to blow his cover… but it sure ain’t over Fortnight.
    Assuming that she isn’t using a different anonymous online identity.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      November 17, 2021 at 12:32 am | #

      Is her being Amazi-Girl still a secret? She did kind of dramatically unmask herself in an extremely public space after a second car chase.

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        November 17, 2021 at 10:55 am | #

        Just remember that yes it is, or at least it’s not common knowledge

      • Jamie
        Jamie
        November 17, 2021 at 4:32 pm | #

        It’s not a secret in the sense that she’s still actively hiding it.

        But most people will frankly not care, and assuming she’s not trading on the notoriety (hard to believe Amber would do so), there’s no reason to tell people.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      November 17, 2021 at 12:46 am | #

      I hope it’s audio only. I have the honest opinion that seeing the player’s face more often than not ruins the experience of the playthrough. I don’t need to see their reaction (unless it’s like a horror game and even then it’s made obnoxious by them playing up their reactions) Voice only streams are my shit!

      ok and I will accept V-tubers…to an extent. And even then it’s a thin line between endearing and cringe for me.

      • The Wellerman
        The Wellerman
        November 17, 2021 at 12:49 am | #

        Just curious, do some types of games work better for streaming than for others, in your opinion.

        Like for instance, I can recall in SAO that Kirito once said, “there’s nothing more boring than watching somebody else play an RPG”.

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          November 17, 2021 at 1:15 am | #

          So you can make an RPG fun…if you’re good at the RPG. But watching someone figure out a lengthy RPG for themselves can be a bit boring. That is unless the RPG is new to the viewer as well. Or if the person is just so naturally good at the game that they don’t have to do all the backtracking, being lost, grinding and other garbage that usually comes with an RPG. The quality of the RPG can also effect it. Like…it COULD be fun to watch someone stream pokemon if they don’t have to just grind levels to beat a gym leader. Maybe if they’re playing a Nuzlocke because it adds a bit of intensity to any counter because this could be the death of any of their pokemon.

          I say that to say, for once, Kirito is correct.

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          November 17, 2021 at 1:31 am | #

          I guess my answer to your question is, games that are fun to interact with.

          Fighting games are my go to cuz matches are short and it’s very fast, where you can see the skill of the player on full display. it’s like a sports match. By that regard I think any sort of PVP is pretty good for streaming. Especially if it’s friends playing together.

          For solo play, action games like Metal Gear Rising or assassins creed or spider-man or something are cool. Something that is straightforward, but the way a player can approach from unique ways that compliment their playstyle. I think those are good for streaming.

          • Thag Simmons
            Thag Simmons
            November 17, 2021 at 10:59 am | #

            Narrative intensive games with lots of unvoiced dialogue can be pretty good for certain streamers that can act the parts out

      • Keulen
        Keulen
        November 17, 2021 at 9:14 am | #

        I tend to prefer Vtubers over all other types of streamers. I’m not sure why.

        • Spencer
          Spencer
          November 17, 2021 at 10:43 am | #

          I have watched one Vtuber and it was PeachSaliva, which is helpful since Pat and Paige are already real life cartoon characters so giving her a 3D model of a foxgirl just cuts out the middle man.

          She manages to fuck that up too by having her model got inert or drinking water so the model starts wigging out, it’s great.

          More seriously, if I had to think about it: Streaming as a job is about creating a caricature of yourself to sell to your audience, so making a little cartoon avatar of yourself probably helps sell that.

    • King Daniel
      King Daniel
      November 17, 2021 at 12:59 am | #

      Per the hovertext, Amber left her headset off anyway.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        November 17, 2021 at 1:17 am | #

        True, but if she was using a camera they’d still see her. And those headsets have pretty good pickup so they’d probably still hear her, albeit a slightly less audibly clear version.

  14. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    November 17, 2021 at 12:28 am | #

    You’re gonna have to invest in a hot tub if you really wanna keep the viewer’s attention on twitch these days.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      November 17, 2021 at 12:37 am | #

      I always thought the Hot Tub was just a work-around for Twitch’s tyrannical, puritanical guidelines.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        November 17, 2021 at 12:48 am | #

        It’s somewhat but it got so popular as a genre that basically everyone started doing it. It created this weird environment where some people feel like it should be banned cuz if they’re gonna crack down on any sexual content this shouldn’t be allowed and they’re only making an exception because it’s making them money. Of course people also think MORE censorship would be bad and would rather they use hot-tubs as a jumping off point to lower Twitch’s iron grip on content.

        It’s weird to say streaming in a hot tub is part of a larger conversation but it is. Personally, I don’t care very much either way because of my aforementioned distaste of face-cam streamers in general.

  15. ADLegend21
    ADLegend21
    November 17, 2021 at 12:38 am | #

    omg I would subscribe to Amber on twitch

  16. Slartibeast Button, BIA
    Slartibeast Button, BIA
    November 17, 2021 at 12:41 am | #

    Dina’s SEP field doesn’t work over streaming?

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      November 17, 2021 at 12:43 am | #

      Now, just which kind of SEP are we talking about?

      • Slartibeast Button, BIA
        Slartibeast Button, BIA
        November 17, 2021 at 12:45 am | #

        Someone Else’s Problem Field. Makes people not notice you.

        • Reltzik
          Reltzik
          November 17, 2021 at 12:58 am | #

          The problem with an SEP Field is that it’s never under warranty. If it breaks, it’s your problem, not someone else’s.

  17. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    November 17, 2021 at 1:04 am | #

    Eh, Amber, just play it off as a bit where you’re talking to the voices in your head. Enough people use that as an “I’m arguing with myself” euphemism that it will work just fine.

  18. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    November 17, 2021 at 1:19 am | #

    Huh, the origin of the chapter title is from a My Chemical Romance song. It doesn’t just go well with Ghost Mike, but also Ethan’s emo-ish appearance.

  19. GUIGUI
    GUIGUI
    November 17, 2021 at 2:33 am | #

    Really surprised Amber hasn’t heard of v-tubers yet.

    • GUIGUI
      GUIGUI
      November 17, 2021 at 2:33 am | #

      New grabbatar, yay! (fit my comment in some way, too, nice)

  20. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    November 17, 2021 at 2:48 am | #

    Finally the moment when Amber dyes her hair pink has arrived!

  21. Francoinblanco
    Francoinblanco
    November 17, 2021 at 4:11 am | #

    Ok i cant image Amber as streamer. As youtube mute walkthrough or combo video maybe, but stream when you talk and have dialog with audience? No way or with Amber is better than we think.

    • Eldritchy
      Eldritchy
      November 17, 2021 at 4:17 am | #

      Maybe she developed a third personality…

  22. Sombrero
    Sombrero
    November 17, 2021 at 4:38 am | #

    DoA Book 12: They Only Pay Attention When Dina’s Head Pops Onscreen.

  23. Carms
    Carms
    November 17, 2021 at 5:01 am | #

    Man her hair’s growing out ey. gettin shaggy

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 17, 2021 at 10:00 am | #

      I think it suits her better than the short bob she had at the beginning of last semester.

  24. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    November 17, 2021 at 5:18 am | #

    Forget that, did you just admit being Amazi-girl out loud ?

    • Deanatay
      Deanatay
      November 17, 2021 at 7:16 am | #

      Strangely, she’s less concerned about that, and more that someone might have heard her admit she has a life outside of her streams.

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      November 17, 2021 at 9:18 am | #

      Hopefully her audience doesn’t know anything about Amazi-Girl. I’m assuming Amber hasn’t let slip where she’s streaming from, and hoping nobody who knows her personally is watching.

  25. Rotunda
    Rotunda
    November 17, 2021 at 5:57 pm | #

    Dave Willis: Is the changed color of the closet door in the middle frame deliberate? It seems to be transparent rather than having the detail shown in the other frames.

  26. Blue62
    Blue62
    November 17, 2021 at 6:05 pm | #

    Nice subtle thing with the lighting not affecting Mike.

  27. Roe
    Roe
    December 1, 2021 at 3:13 pm | #

    who else went back to the lasts two strips and read only amber’s lines to see what the audience heard?

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