I needed this. The seventh anniversary of my mom’s death is a little over a month away. She mentioned me in her suicide note; she was worried I’d break down if not told gently that she’d killed herself. I still think I could’ve stopped her had I been more present in the situation. I don’t know what I should hold onto, but I’m trying to figure out what direction to go.
Perhaps that even in the depths of her despair and hopelessness, she loved you, wanted you to be OK, thought that there was a way to break it gently so the news would hurt you less, and belief that you would find the strength and courage to live your life without her?
Probably. She had untreated borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder. When she was manic, she could be an awful person, but she also loved my family and I. She could be emotionally manipulative like Willis’s mom and rarely apologized, but I loved her.
I’d say it’s good advice. Telling people to move on is usually like telling someone to “calm down” when they’re stressed, or “stop crying” when they are.
I feel that “hold on to what you need to but keep walking” is a bit… easier, and a step in the right direction, rather than asking them to solve it all in one swoop.
He’s going to start appearing and talking to Joe now too. Because he’s a ghost who was haunting Amber and Joe has just decided to take on part of that burden.
Although that could possibly mean that Joe will be waking up to ghostly teabagging in the near future.
I think it might be exactly what she neess to hear. Not someone to push her prpblems onto or hide her problems, but someone to simply make it weigh less heavily on her.
Honestly, I think Joe’s being his best self here. Or at the very least, he could be a lot worse.
And as for freezing, it’s currently in the teens here in Hoosierland. Two weeks ago, it was fricking seventy Fahrenheit on Christmas day. I would say “WTF?”, but a lifetime in Indiana has left me deluded into thinking this is normal.
well arm stripes aside it just looks like a plain yellow shirt you can prolly buy online, and the blue part is a separate sleeveless hoodie. (tho i think isaw a post saying willis used online references for outfit designs so maybe there are some stores you can use to find similar clothes lol [tho i guess, other than a pastel or a pattern, yellow isn’t that popular of a shirt color?])
Most of the cast’s outfits seem to be based on stuff Willis finds at a nearby Target or Meijer. If you’re in the Midwest at all, try walking around the nearest block and you’ll probably bump into one. Of course, department stores tend to cycle their clothes pretty often, so it may be either sold out or just rotated out by now. If you’re willing to brave it, you could also search those stores’ websites and hope the terrible layout coughs up a result that can either be delivered or picked up. Naturally, if you’d rather not expend quite so much energy hunting down a shirt like it’s an 18-point buck, you can probably find something comparable on any given clothes site.
Amber’s brothers are pretty great at helping her move a little step forward when she really needs it, aren’t they? (And will almost inevitably ruin it after, but hey.)
The fortunes of fables are able to sing the song
Now witness the quickness with which we get along
To sing the blues you’ve got to live the dues and Carry On–CSNY
wow, i’ve listened to that song so many times that i was singing it in my head
by the 1st 4 words…before i even figured out what it was. ahhh CSNY quotes
You can sing a happy song if you’re glad,
You can sing a protest song if you’re mad,
But if you wanna sing the blues?
Boy you got to learn how to lose, if you wanna sing the blues.
D. Bromberg, RIP
I know for some people, it must be an odd concept. Why wouldn’t Amber want to move on from this death, especially of a person like Mike? Shouldn’t she WANT to move on with her life? In truth, grief is a lot more complicated than ‘getting over’ and ‘moving on’. I lost my mother in April, and there was a period of time where I felt like Amber in panel 4. I didn’t WANT to move on, because it felt like if I did, if I felt better, if I started to adjust to this new life without my mom, it’d become more real. And I’d be that much closer to this new life without her.
It felt as if entrenching myself in my grief for her was the only way to keep her around. To prove that I loved her, to prove she existed. Grief is a process and you just have to find your own way, at your own pace. What Joe said is right. You don’t have to move on and forget someone who has passed, but you do need to carry on in whatever way suits you best, and when you are comfortable. I think about my mom most every day, and I try to do things I know she enjoyed.
that feeling where the sun coming up the next morning is a deliberate insult from the universe. seriously, how dare you, i will fucking cut you. the sun, i mean. not you.
My daughter’s feeling like that over my grandfather’s death 🙁 That she can’t be happy or imagine life without him without it being a betrayal… She’s just turned 7… It’s hard seeing her hating on herself for being human and sometimes being happy 🙁
When we lost my mother, it felt like “moving on” would be a betrayal of her. And it doesn’t matter how many times someone says, “She’d WANT you to move on.”
Don’t remember where I read it, but a badly paraphrased because I don’t remember it quote from my childhood that stuck with me –
when you share your joy with a loved one, the amount of joy in the world doubles so you can each keep it – when you share your pain with a loved one, you each carry half of it – so share things with people you love, and don’t try to hide your pain until you break.
Right this is actually pretty impressive. It’s supportive and he’s not making light of it and I can actually see this sort of working. She needs much more help than this. BUt this a good thing for her to hear I think
Yeah, Joe is being a decent human being and all, but neither of them is dressed for the weather and it is cold outside with sneaux on the ground. They need to get their butts inside before hypothermia sets in.
Hmm, how should Amber carry Joe’s issues? She could try getting a song stuck in her head. When Joe was younger, he watched Richard cry and curse at the wind. He’d broke his own heart, and Joe watched as he tried to reassemble it. And Karen swore that she would never let herself forget. That was the day Joe promised that he’d never speak of love if it does not exist. Unfortunately,
Joyce is the only exception
[Verse 1]
When I was younger I saw my daddy cry
And curse at the wind
He broke his own heart and I watched
As he tried to reassemble it
And my momma swore that she would
Never let herself forget
And that was the day that I promised
I’d never sing of love if it does not exist
Hah, sorry, yes. My comment was brought to you by a combination of Benadryl and having had The Only Exception stuck in my head for a week. Thank you, Yumi and Twitcher, for explaining
Joe’s line is indeed raw as hell and something I wish I’d been told. I’m glad Amber isn’t pushing him away like at first (feels like it was so long ago :’3). Look at her laughing!
They have a really sweet dynamic and ffffyea, thank you I needed the wholesome
God Joe get with the program you’re a good person already. You’re a good person who cares about people’s feelings and gives good advice and is good at listening??? It happened out of nowhere but guess what, just like Joyce is capable of getting better and better despite starting out in a shit place doing shit things, so are you. You’ve gotten much better despite your many attempts to not. You’re worthy of Joyce.
Considering Joe seems to be LITERALLY the only person right now capable of showing Joyce any real empathy for her struggles with her faith, I don’t think Joe cares about all that shit.
He knows that above all Joyce is a constant work in progress, that she will keep trying to do the right thing no matter how stubborn she SEEMS to be at the moment, and she will come out of the end of this transition an even better person than before. While everyone else seems to be dismissing her outright, or getting on her case for daring to change or make mistakes, this probably just reinforces Joe’s affection and admiration for her.
And when Joe first learned about Joyce’s changing beliefs, his first reaction was ‘hey, that’s like, a HUGE deal, right?’, acknowledging that this is a big thing that she’s chosen to confide in him about, but then compassionately choosing not to make an even BIGGER deal about it by caring more about his own feelings in response than hers. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/03-see-you-in-the-funny-page/shackles/
‘Cause if we want to talk Authorial Intent and The Moral Of The Story, it feels pretty danged Authorially Intentional that no one in the last three months has asked Joyce how she’s feeling or what brought all this about.
I’m absolutely going to do that thing where I highlight how The Character I Like is good and The Character I Don’t Like is bad, but upon finding out Joyce is an atheist, the very first thing these two said was:
Joe asking her if it was a big deal.
Dorothy telling her to think if she was rushing into fast and should ease herself in with “a nice deism.’
where were you when Joe was better at this than Dorothy
NO. YOU’RE WRONG. Dorothy’s FIRST reaction to finding out Joyce was an atheist was ‘this was more disappointing than you skipping class’, like. Yeah, OBVIOUSLY the situation wasn’t ideal, but like, Joyce probably KNEW Dorothy would react weirdly and that’s why she didn’t confide in Dorothy of her own volition like she did with Joe!!
Like Joyce already KNEW who was safe to confide in, and both Becky AND Dorothy were clearly stamped as ‘Not Safe’. Sarah and Joe were, so she calmly and casually told them about it instead of it being this whole drama, and it was fine. (Sarah later totally fucking ruined it but like whatever, at least her first initial reaction was relatively neutral and nonjudgmental. For her, anyway.)
So obviously part of this drama is caused by Joyce holding things back, if she’d worked up the courage to just tell at LEAST Dorothy in a calm way (cause the conversation would never have gone well with Becky no matter how calm and collected Joyce was), then perhaps all of this extra drama and doubling down could have been avoided. But this is dumbing of age not smarting of age and also yknow what it’s her right to choose who she wants to tell and who not. She shouldn’t HAVE to work up the courage, this should not have been a big deal to start with.
That was surprisingly heart-warming.
I think I like the dynamic between the two of them. It was good to see Amber laugh and smile. I hope she will be able to help Joe in return.
But it seems that just talking about it already helped a little.
At this point I don’t think Joe is someone who had to learn, where he says he’s “bad at feelings” and then bullrushes in with a truckload of empathy.
I actually think this is the real Joe, and we just never saw it because his character for the first half of the series was exclusively placed in scenarios where he’d act on his ideas of toxic masculinity and objectifying the women around him. Helping Joyce while she was at her parents’ was the first crack, but then it shattered upon learning what he was making Joyce feel acting the way he did.
Since then he’s been in scenarios that let him share his thoughts, and at worst he’s been blunt, at best he’s how he’s been acting to Amber and Joyce; they’re hurting and he dolls out emotional support in a way that almost feels practiced.
I wonder if prior to his parents’ divorce, Joe was just like this all the time and it was them and his throwing himself into his toxic vision of masculinity, relationships and sex that led him crafting a persona of Fun No Feelings Sex Bro. Not that Joe wasn’t that guy, but more like he only started acting like it because of his own emotional turmoil and now that he’s given it up, that persona is gone.
Now you’re making me really hope we get a flashback to Joe’s childhood at some point, like we’ve gotten for Amber, Sal, and Joyce. Seeing how he met Danny would be really enlightening.
It’s all well and good that Joe extracts a smile (a laugh!) from Amber, but his “trade and carry” metaphor has very short legs. Anyway, it would be endlessly funny if Ghost Mike migrated to Joe’s head.
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That was well said Joe, I’m proud of you. This whole thing has gone much better than I expected.
Well, better than his offer to Sarah. But now Amber has agreed to carry Joyce. This will definitely end well.
I needed this. The seventh anniversary of my mom’s death is a little over a month away. She mentioned me in her suicide note; she was worried I’d break down if not told gently that she’d killed herself. I still think I could’ve stopped her had I been more present in the situation. I don’t know what I should hold onto, but I’m trying to figure out what direction to go.
I’m so sorry.
Perhaps that even in the depths of her despair and hopelessness, she loved you, wanted you to be OK, thought that there was a way to break it gently so the news would hurt you less, and belief that you would find the strength and courage to live your life without her?
Probably. She had untreated borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder. When she was manic, she could be an awful person, but she also loved my family and I. She could be emotionally manipulative like Willis’s mom and rarely apologized, but I loved her.
It feels so good to see her laugh 🥲
She hasn’t done that in a long time.
Indeed, it is nice to see a smile on her face, even if it wasn’t for very long. Them becoming siblings might be a great thing after all.
I can’t decide if this is good advice or not but boy I think it might be!
Even if it isn’t the best advice, it got her to smile which is a great thimg.
It’s better then anyone else has offered Amber so far imo
Even if it’s not perfect it’s definitely better then what she’s been doing
idk but it’s raw as fuck
It’s good advice.
I’d say it’s good advice. Telling people to move on is usually like telling someone to “calm down” when they’re stressed, or “stop crying” when they are.
I feel that “hold on to what you need to but keep walking” is a bit… easier, and a step in the right direction, rather than asking them to solve it all in one swoop.
It seems like pretty good advice to me.
Ironically, Mike of all people would tell her, “You absolutely should move on from me.”
I wonder how all this is going to affect HeadMike and Amber’s reactions to him.
He’s going to start appearing and talking to Joe now too. Because he’s a ghost who was haunting Amber and Joe has just decided to take on part of that burden.
Although that could possibly mean that Joe will be waking up to ghostly teabagging in the near future.
Yep, ghostly teabagging is probably how he’ll find out about him.
It’s cool. Joe’s going to wake up in the morning to find he has received Head Mike.
Guess that is better than waking up receiving Mike head.
But with a side note of knowing it would make her feel worse.
Joe’s actually a pretty good brother. In his own way, of course, but maybe the way Amber needs.
I think it might be exactly what she neess to hear. Not someone to push her prpblems onto or hide her problems, but someone to simply make it weigh less heavily on her.
Honestly, I think Joe’s being his best self here. Or at the very least, he could be a lot worse.
And as for freezing, it’s currently in the teens here in Hoosierland. Two weeks ago, it was fricking seventy Fahrenheit on Christmas day. I would say “WTF?”, but a lifetime in Indiana has left me deluded into thinking this is normal.
Seriously though if I don’t find out where she got that shirt of hers, I’m gonna go BANANAS 🙄
What shirt is she wearing?
That yellow one. So simple yet so sleek.
well arm stripes aside it just looks like a plain yellow shirt you can prolly buy online, and the blue part is a separate sleeveless hoodie. (tho i think isaw a post saying willis used online references for outfit designs so maybe there are some stores you can use to find similar clothes lol [tho i guess, other than a pastel or a pattern, yellow isn’t that popular of a shirt color?])
Most of the cast’s outfits seem to be based on stuff Willis finds at a nearby Target or Meijer. If you’re in the Midwest at all, try walking around the nearest block and you’ll probably bump into one. Of course, department stores tend to cycle their clothes pretty often, so it may be either sold out or just rotated out by now. If you’re willing to brave it, you could also search those stores’ websites and hope the terrible layout coughs up a result that can either be delivered or picked up. Naturally, if you’d rather not expend quite so much energy hunting down a shirt like it’s an 18-point buck, you can probably find something comparable on any given clothes site.
Eh, I have better stuff to do, but I still want the shirt.
Hmmm….
OK next person to shoot me a link to Amber’s shirt gets a free pixel art commission!!! 😉
This is out of stock but fairly close. You’re looking for a yellow women’s football tee, specifically a style with longer, striped sleeves; any combo of keywords there should help you find something you’ll like. https://www.torrid.com/product/v-neck-football-tee—vintage-burnout-yellow/13632692.html
Uh… ya want the commission now or…
That looks a lot like the shirt Becky wore a couple chapters ago.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/05-as-long-as-its-free/cake-2/
They’re good siblings. Cute.
That went remarkably well, Joe.
Amber’s brothers are pretty great at helping her move a little step forward when she really needs it, aren’t they? (And will almost inevitably ruin it after, but hey.)
I love the Amber and Joe sibling dynamic
He sounds just like my mom
For a nickel. But really he does.
That’s a good way to handle it when you can’t or don’t want to move on, carry it in a direction. I like that.
The fortunes of fables are able to sing the song
Now witness the quickness with which we get along
To sing the blues you’ve got to live the dues and Carry On–CSNY
wow, i’ve listened to that song so many times that i was singing it in my head
by the 1st 4 words…before i even figured out what it was. ahhh CSNY quotes
You can sing a happy song if you’re glad,
You can sing a protest song if you’re mad,
But if you wanna sing the blues?
Boy you got to learn how to lose, if you wanna sing the blues.
D. Bromberg, RIP
Wait is Joe a…. DECENT BROTHER!?
He’s not a bad one.
Good brother, bad wingman. Everything balanced out.
I’d go so far as saying terrible wingman.
Oh man, Amber in panel 4…
I know for some people, it must be an odd concept. Why wouldn’t Amber want to move on from this death, especially of a person like Mike? Shouldn’t she WANT to move on with her life? In truth, grief is a lot more complicated than ‘getting over’ and ‘moving on’. I lost my mother in April, and there was a period of time where I felt like Amber in panel 4. I didn’t WANT to move on, because it felt like if I did, if I felt better, if I started to adjust to this new life without my mom, it’d become more real. And I’d be that much closer to this new life without her.
It felt as if entrenching myself in my grief for her was the only way to keep her around. To prove that I loved her, to prove she existed. Grief is a process and you just have to find your own way, at your own pace. What Joe said is right. You don’t have to move on and forget someone who has passed, but you do need to carry on in whatever way suits you best, and when you are comfortable. I think about my mom most every day, and I try to do things I know she enjoyed.
I’m sorry for your loss. It is a process and we each go through it our own way. Take care of yourself.
Take care of yourself slick. And thanks for sharing this.
that feeling where the sun coming up the next morning is a deliberate insult from the universe. seriously, how dare you, i will fucking cut you. the sun, i mean. not you.
Anyone who’s lost someone understands that moving on can feel like a betrayal.
My daughter’s feeling like that over my grandfather’s death 🙁 That she can’t be happy or imagine life without him without it being a betrayal… She’s just turned 7… It’s hard seeing her hating on herself for being human and sometimes being happy 🙁
When we lost my mother, it felt like “moving on” would be a betrayal of her. And it doesn’t matter how many times someone says, “She’d WANT you to move on.”
I’m sorry for your loss. I, too, know that feel. What helps you to process?
Don’t remember where I read it, but a badly paraphrased because I don’t remember it quote from my childhood that stuck with me –
when you share your joy with a loved one, the amount of joy in the world doubles so you can each keep it – when you share your pain with a loved one, you each carry half of it – so share things with people you love, and don’t try to hide your pain until you break.
That is wonderful advice.
I love these two as siblings. It really works well.
I do really hope that if Richard blows it, and I hope he doesn’t, that the two would keep it going as siblings, even if it wasn’t official anymore.
joe’s stubble has spread to his ears
Aw, Joe is such a good brother here.
Damn, Joe is really being an excellent brother here. Really good siblinging from a guy who has only been one for a scant few months.
Right this is actually pretty impressive. It’s supportive and he’s not making light of it and I can actually see this sort of working. She needs much more help than this. BUt this a good thing for her to hear I think
Nnnnnn, a sweet strip? Between Amber and Joe? My heart.
Yeah, Joe is being a decent human being and all, but neither of them is dressed for the weather and it is cold outside with sneaux on the ground. They need to get their butts inside before hypothermia sets in.
Tonight Amber gonna be working on her “Help me stepbrother I’m stuck in my own head” Joe siscon fanfic
Hmm, how should Amber carry Joe’s issues? She could try getting a song stuck in her head. When Joe was younger, he watched Richard cry and curse at the wind. He’d broke his own heart, and Joe watched as he tried to reassemble it. And Karen swore that she would never let herself forget. That was the day Joe promised that he’d never speak of love if it does not exist. Unfortunately,
Joyce is the only exception
What
It’s an extended reference to a song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J7J_IWUhls
[Verse 1]
When I was younger I saw my daddy cry
And curse at the wind
He broke his own heart and I watched
As he tried to reassemble it
And my momma swore that she would
Never let herself forget
And that was the day that I promised
I’d never sing of love if it does not exist
I forget where I heard this from but I heard the singer hates this song because the guy she wrote it about turned out to be a huge asshole
Hah, sorry, yes. My comment was brought to you by a combination of Benadryl and having had The Only Exception stuck in my head for a week. Thank you, Yumi and Twitcher, for explaining
*supportively claps at developments*
Joe’s line is indeed raw as hell and something I wish I’d been told. I’m glad Amber isn’t pushing him away like at first (feels like it was so long ago :’3). Look at her laughing!
They have a really sweet dynamic and ffffyea, thank you I needed the wholesome
God Joe get with the program you’re a good person already. You’re a good person who cares about people’s feelings and gives good advice and is good at listening??? It happened out of nowhere but guess what, just like Joyce is capable of getting better and better despite starting out in a shit place doing shit things, so are you. You’ve gotten much better despite your many attempts to not. You’re worthy of Joyce.
(And before anyone says anything feeling worthy of someone is not the same as feeling entitled to them OKAY.)
It helps that Joyce has been tanking her Good Person points for a while now.
Yeah, she was prettier when she smiled.
/s?
Considering Joe seems to be LITERALLY the only person right now capable of showing Joyce any real empathy for her struggles with her faith, I don’t think Joe cares about all that shit.
He knows that above all Joyce is a constant work in progress, that she will keep trying to do the right thing no matter how stubborn she SEEMS to be at the moment, and she will come out of the end of this transition an even better person than before. While everyone else seems to be dismissing her outright, or getting on her case for daring to change or make mistakes, this probably just reinforces Joe’s affection and admiration for her.
And it’s not like he gives her a pass either, but all of his criticism seems to come first and foremost from a place of concern about HER. Such as when he told her not to swear here: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/05-as-long-as-its-free/exist/ Which he said not because he gives a fuck about Joyce swearing, but because HE knows that swearing only when it really matters is something that Joyce previous cared about a lot: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/word/
And when Joe first learned about Joyce’s changing beliefs, his first reaction was ‘hey, that’s like, a HUGE deal, right?’, acknowledging that this is a big thing that she’s chosen to confide in him about, but then compassionately choosing not to make an even BIGGER deal about it by caring more about his own feelings in response than hers. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/03-see-you-in-the-funny-page/shackles/
In other news, I ship JoJo like wildfire.
yeh
‘Cause if we want to talk Authorial Intent and The Moral Of The Story, it feels pretty danged Authorially Intentional that no one in the last three months has asked Joyce how she’s feeling or what brought all this about.
I’m absolutely going to do that thing where I highlight how The Character I Like is good and The Character I Don’t Like is bad, but upon finding out Joyce is an atheist, the very first thing these two said was:
Joe asking her if it was a big deal.
Dorothy telling her to think if she was rushing into fast and should ease herself in with “a nice deism.’
where were you when Joe was better at this than Dorothy
NO. YOU’RE WRONG. Dorothy’s FIRST reaction to finding out Joyce was an atheist was ‘this was more disappointing than you skipping class’, like. Yeah, OBVIOUSLY the situation wasn’t ideal, but like, Joyce probably KNEW Dorothy would react weirdly and that’s why she didn’t confide in Dorothy of her own volition like she did with Joe!!
Like Joyce already KNEW who was safe to confide in, and both Becky AND Dorothy were clearly stamped as ‘Not Safe’. Sarah and Joe were, so she calmly and casually told them about it instead of it being this whole drama, and it was fine. (Sarah later totally fucking ruined it but like whatever, at least her first initial reaction was relatively neutral and nonjudgmental. For her, anyway.)
So obviously part of this drama is caused by Joyce holding things back, if she’d worked up the courage to just tell at LEAST Dorothy in a calm way (cause the conversation would never have gone well with Becky no matter how calm and collected Joyce was), then perhaps all of this extra drama and doubling down could have been avoided. But this is dumbing of age not smarting of age and also yknow what it’s her right to choose who she wants to tell and who not. She shouldn’t HAVE to work up the courage, this should not have been a big deal to start with.
Prediction: in the epilogue set years in the future Joe is a therapist.
Business partners with Booster maybe.
Wow. That was kinda fuckin beautiful
Joe can get deep when he wants to.
… Yes, that way too.
Joe better be careful he doesn’t delve too greedily and too deep
As long as he doesn’t awaken any Balrogs I think he might be ok.
That was surprisingly heart-warming.
I think I like the dynamic between the two of them. It was good to see Amber laugh and smile. I hope she will be able to help Joe in return.
But it seems that just talking about it already helped a little.
I wish I could see Joe transformation. He were always proud to be shallow…
In Amber’s terms, Joe’s Pokemon hidden ability would be “Decent Human Being”
What world is this now where I love Joe but hate everyone else
Sweet Joe♡. That was so nice to propose.
Huh. Where’s Ana, are they okay? They’re usually the first comment every comic.
At this point I don’t think Joe is someone who had to learn, where he says he’s “bad at feelings” and then bullrushes in with a truckload of empathy.
I actually think this is the real Joe, and we just never saw it because his character for the first half of the series was exclusively placed in scenarios where he’d act on his ideas of toxic masculinity and objectifying the women around him. Helping Joyce while she was at her parents’ was the first crack, but then it shattered upon learning what he was making Joyce feel acting the way he did.
Since then he’s been in scenarios that let him share his thoughts, and at worst he’s been blunt, at best he’s how he’s been acting to Amber and Joyce; they’re hurting and he dolls out emotional support in a way that almost feels practiced.
I wonder if prior to his parents’ divorce, Joe was just like this all the time and it was them and his throwing himself into his toxic vision of masculinity, relationships and sex that led him crafting a persona of Fun No Feelings Sex Bro. Not that Joe wasn’t that guy, but more like he only started acting like it because of his own emotional turmoil and now that he’s given it up, that persona is gone.
doles out
And there is my daily spelling error. Better luck tomorrow.
It makes sense that he was more empathetic in the past, or I don’t think Danny would have kept up the friendship for all these years.
Now you’re making me really hope we get a flashback to Joe’s childhood at some point, like we’ve gotten for Amber, Sal, and Joyce. Seeing how he met Danny would be really enlightening.
Possibly it’s wholesome, but maybe Joe was already displaying aspects of toxic masculinity that Danny mistook for confidence.
My Joe + Dorothy ship just got a little more realistic.
Bleedin’ ‘eck, Joe, when did you become all wise and mature?
Look at Joe, being all mature, and nurturing like. Good for you, Joe, you definitely are best brother.
Profound.
Profoundeez nutz
Joe I’m so freaking proud of you… is that weird…? Being proud of a fictional character? Idk but I am in this moment.
It’s all well and good that Joe extracts a smile (a laugh!) from Amber, but his “trade and carry” metaphor has very short legs. Anyway, it would be endlessly funny if Ghost Mike migrated to Joe’s head.
My gravatar says that Joe is actually good at Feelings and he has a right to be smug about it.
Wow, Joe giving out wisdom an earnestly wanting to help Amber? I’m impressed.
The current poll needs another option: wrong question.