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June 1, 2026

Hips

by David M Willis on May 7, 2023 at 12:01 am
  • 03 – Joementum
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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    May 7, 2023 at 12:01 am | #

    wait ’til she gets to knees

    or, like

    …fingernails…?

    • True Survivor
      True Survivor
      May 7, 2023 at 12:26 am | #

      To answer the fingernail question: Mostly alpha-keratin, like drawing it is really hard. I’ve seen some of your old drawings under your name-link thing, you are really good at it.

    • danimagoo
      danimagoo
      May 7, 2023 at 8:49 am | #

      Or, if she’s anything like Rob Liefeld, feet.

      • Ana Chronistic
        Ana Chronistic
        May 7, 2023 at 11:59 pm | #

        I did feet in the Patreon post, kinda hate repeating myself

      • Roborat
        Roborat
        May 8, 2023 at 3:50 pm | #

        Or any other part of human anatomy.

  2. Proxiehunter
    Proxiehunter
    May 7, 2023 at 12:02 am | #

    I think I beat Anna here. You’re right Joyce, hips are bullcrap.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      May 7, 2023 at 12:02 am | #

      Took too long typing.

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        May 7, 2023 at 8:58 am | #

        you might have beat her if you hadn’t tried to comment on it

      • BiggestFan
        BiggestFan
        May 7, 2023 at 5:23 pm | #

        You beat her, she just used her namesake power.

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      May 7, 2023 at 1:06 am | #

      One can’t say, “first post,” grasshopper. One must be first post.

    • Anon200
      Anon200
      May 7, 2023 at 5:34 am | #

      Sillybilly no one beats Ann, no one

  3. Yumi
    Yumi
    May 7, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    The model is currently hiding their hands behind their back, just to be nice to Joyce.

  4. Doctor_Who
    Doctor_Who
    May 7, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    Hips don’t lie, but they are full of shit.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      May 7, 2023 at 4:38 am | #

      Personal hygiene is important.

  5. Maveric1984
    Maveric1984
    May 7, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    Hips can’t be bullcrap! They don’t lie!

    At least, Shakira’s dont…

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      May 7, 2023 at 12:14 am | #

      Shakira’s hips are currently wanted for tax evasion.

    • shoopdawhoop
      shoopdawhoop
      May 7, 2023 at 6:44 pm | #

      Hips don’t lie but they do confront you with uncomfortable truths

  6. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    May 7, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    There are so many scattered bits of paper in my room that consist of drawings of faces AND NOTHING ELSE because everything else sucks. SOOO many

  7. Cmasta1992
    Cmasta1992
    May 7, 2023 at 12:07 am | #

    It’s wild how much of drawing nsfw art is getting irritated at the human form

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      May 7, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

      I wonder how many furry artists got their start by being all “Gah, all my feet look like weird paws! Maybe I’ll just make her a wolf or some shit, then it’ll look normal.”

      • Kimi
        Kimi
        May 7, 2023 at 1:35 am | #

        Just cover it all in fur and then the tiny little details don’t matter type of thing?

      • ktbear
        ktbear
        May 7, 2023 at 2:21 am | #

        As an avid collector of furry art I can say that the majority of the artwork I have commissioned either doesn’t include feet, or has the character(s) wearing shoes so you may be right.

    • Antonio Tyler
      Antonio Tyler
      May 7, 2023 at 10:30 am | #

      People think it must be hot but it’s mostly frustrating. Especially if you’re also trying to capture a likeness

  8. ian livs
    ian livs
    May 7, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    Hands are still worse, but Joyce has a point

    • ian livs
      ian livs
      May 7, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

      Oh hey, I’m Malaya now!

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      May 7, 2023 at 12:24 am | #

      In my middle school art class, we learned about how drawing hands is The Worst, and then had a project focused specifically on drawing hands. While I’ve never been much of a draughtsman, that did lead to me becoming better at drawing hands than I was at any other body part. Which was kinda funny! past 9th grade, any drawings I did were just doodles, but the “hands” thing held up enough that one time a classmate saw me drawing hands on the edges of my classwork and was like, “Wow, are you really good at drawing?” And I said, “No.” And then I went back to sketching out my crush’s name in ASL finger spelling.

      • Rose by Any Other Name
        Rose by Any Other Name
        May 7, 2023 at 9:21 am | #

        “went back to sketching out my crush’s name in ASL finger spelling”

        **eyes widen and hearts float in air nearby**

        **voice that only increases in pitch** That is adorable!

        • Yumi
          Yumi
          May 7, 2023 at 12:29 pm | #

          This ended up being a first draft, and I ended up giving a later sketch to her, and like. This was me trying to be subtle about things.

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 7, 2023 at 1:04 am | #

      i remember seeing a semi-popular tweet that was like “plot twist: an artist who’s /only/ good at hands” lol

    • Kitschensyngk
      Kitschensyngk
      May 7, 2023 at 1:09 am | #

      I learned a trick to drawing hands.

      The distance from your wrist to where your fingers begin is the same as the distance from your chin to the tip of your nose. The whole hand is about double that distance.

      • jflb96
        jflb96
        May 7, 2023 at 1:18 am | #

        I feel like just saying ‘your middle finger is as long as your palm’ would’ve been easier

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 7, 2023 at 3:19 am | #

          Holy shit, it’s pretty close.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        May 7, 2023 at 11:09 am | #

        This feels like that middle school prank.

    • butting
      butting
      May 7, 2023 at 3:51 am | #

      Possible spoiler and probable wigguns, but: Wilde Life, page 385. Paz is just so ridiculously good.

      • Yumi
        Yumi
        May 7, 2023 at 9:36 am | #

        Hey, I have the top comment on that page!
        …And I stand by it.

      • Tan
        Tan
        May 7, 2023 at 1:01 pm | #

        I was not previously familiar with this comic. I have no read through the entire thing. This was an enjoyable unplanned use of my morning.

      • Dr. Sharks
        Dr. Sharks
        May 7, 2023 at 7:07 pm | #

        So ridiculously good? What are you talking about, those arms clearly have too many elbows. Has the artist even seen an arm before?

        (This is jokes, Wilde Life is phenomenal)

  9. Chaucer59
    Chaucer59
    May 7, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

    I never could draw worth a fart, but I made a few bucks posing for figure drawing classes when I was in college. The things I remember from the work I saw: (1) a lot of students fudged on hands, feet, knees, and ears (they just didn’t draw them) and (2) the students who actually drew detailed representations of my crotch magnified my junk by a factor of two (I guess their eyes were just drawn there?). I don’t recall hips being a particular bugbear.

    • BarerMender
      BarerMender
      May 7, 2023 at 12:16 am | #

      Maybe your junk was bigger than you understood.

      • Chaucer59
        Chaucer59
        May 7, 2023 at 11:57 pm | #

        I wish 😎

  10. Nothri
    Nothri
    May 7, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

    Why do I feel this is Willis speaking from personal experience.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      May 7, 2023 at 12:18 am | #

      I feel like that can apply to most things Joyce has said, except possibly those relating to the kidnapping and the bad periods.

      • BiggestFan
        BiggestFan
        May 7, 2023 at 5:25 pm | #

        Are you SURE about the kidnapping

  11. Tadpole7
    Tadpole7
    May 7, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    Perhaps the most relatable thing Joyce has ever said.

  12. JepMZ
    JepMZ
    May 7, 2023 at 12:20 am | #

    Oh man I loved figure drawing classes. A class is usually 3 or 4 hours of the day but loved every minute of it. Every stroke of charcoal or whatever medium is one stroke closer to improving your sense of anatomy

  13. Bryy
    Bryy
    May 7, 2023 at 12:23 am | #

    Tonight’s strip brought to you by the author.

  14. Raen
    Raen
    May 7, 2023 at 12:25 am | #

    You know they can hear you, right?

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      May 7, 2023 at 12:26 am | #

      Hips don’t have ears, silly.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 7, 2023 at 12:28 am | #

      Yes, but whether they give half a damn is another story.

    • S.R.
      S.R.
      May 7, 2023 at 9:44 am | #

      “Hips are hard to draw” isn’t really an insult to someone’s body, fortunately.

  15. Suet
    Suet
    May 7, 2023 at 12:30 am | #

    wait ’til she sees someone with hip dips

    or Jennifer

  16. BBCC
    BBCC
    May 7, 2023 at 12:31 am | #

    Look, Shakira warned you, Joyce! If you didn’t understand the message that isn’t her problem. 😛

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      May 7, 2023 at 12:32 am | #

      Uh uh. Not happening, gravitar roulette gods.

      • NGPZ
        NGPZ
        May 7, 2023 at 12:35 am | #

        Gotta roll 9 times for a 50/50 chance of getting the one you want. 😉

        (wait a minute I should be doing platformer game math, not probability math, mmmmffff)

        • NGPZ
          NGPZ
          May 7, 2023 at 12:37 am | #

          hell it ain’t 9 times it’s 20 times OKAY FOCUS

      • Kyrik Michalowski
        Kyrik Michalowski
        May 7, 2023 at 11:47 pm | #

        Blowjob Cat too intense?

  17. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    May 7, 2023 at 12:32 am | #

    My first thought: Everyone in the room is staring at Joyce funny because of that outburst.

    My second thought: Everyone in the room is staring at Joyce sympathetically because of that outburst.

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      May 7, 2023 at 10:31 am | #

      Half-and-half?

  18. True Survivor
    True Survivor
    May 7, 2023 at 12:33 am | #

    Bipedalism has its disadvantages, especially for child birth (unfun fact: the US has a terrible rate of death in child-birth for a developed nation).

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 7, 2023 at 12:44 am | #

      Yeah but fixing that problem would require giving money to hospitals, which the worthless oxygen thieves in power have decided is a great evil, because what if what if what if.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        May 7, 2023 at 4:33 am | #

        There’s also the fact that their buddies rake in mountains of cash from the status quo.

      • Wizard
        Wizard
        May 7, 2023 at 2:55 pm | #

        The problem is not a lack of money. The problem is the mass of laws and policies that create perverse incentives which ensure that much of the money spent doesn’t go to the most productive use. Bloated administrative costs soak up huge amounts of money while doing little to improve anyone’s health. Lack of competition and transparent pricing allow inefficiency to thrive, since providers lack a clear incentive to improve. The often massive disconnect between those paying for care and those receiving it means that patients may also lack motive to make sure they’re actually getting the best value. Given the many structural failings, trying to improve US healthcare by throwing more money at it is a lot like trying to fight a fire by smothering it with gasoline.

    • jflb96
      jflb96
      May 7, 2023 at 1:20 am | #

      Bipedalism is fine, so long as you don’t start selecting for brain size

      • Kimi
        Kimi
        May 7, 2023 at 1:38 am | #

        Why not just have it mature in a pouch like marsupials instead?

        • Yumi
          Yumi
          May 7, 2023 at 1:58 am | #

          Why can’t we just lay eggs

          • Taffy
            Taffy
            May 7, 2023 at 3:17 am | #

            Settle down, Kakyoin.

            • Yumi
              Yumi
              May 7, 2023 at 12:27 pm | #

              What?
              *Googles*
              …Yeah, okay.

          • Roborat
            Roborat
            May 8, 2023 at 3:54 pm | #

            You want to push out an egg large enough to contain a baby?

      • Wizard
        Wizard
        May 7, 2023 at 2:41 pm | #

        Thing is, the hands, feet and big brains all came as kind of a package. Adapting to walk upright allowed the forelimbs to specialize in grasping and manipulation. Keeping all this new stuff coordinated and taking maximum advantage of it required bigger, fancier brains. Eventually brain size and gestational development came to a rough equilibrium. Whether or not this balance is ideal is highly debatable, but the only thing natural selection cares about is “Does this work often enough for a population to sustain itself?”

        • StClair
          StClair
          May 7, 2023 at 3:56 pm | #

          Yeah, that’s one of the most persistent wrong ideas about evolution: it doesn’t select for “perfect” or “better”, just “good enough.”

  19. Masumi
    Masumi
    May 7, 2023 at 12:34 am | #

    On the other hand, Joyce is proof that figuring out hips is worthwhile ^^

  20. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    May 7, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

    My problem has always been limb length, but yeah, hips can be irritating.

    I am alright with hands and passable on feet.

  21. Hazel
    Hazel
    May 7, 2023 at 12:54 am | #

    I’ve only done one art lesson like this and by gods, the frustration at not being able to get the leg right.

  22. NGPZ
    NGPZ
    May 7, 2023 at 12:54 am | #

    I’ll just come out and say it, it ain’t hands, feet, hips or any of that that’s the hardest. As an AuDHD artist, the hardest part for me is even getting started on a new project. 😓

    • slarstorm
      slarstorm
      May 7, 2023 at 1:02 am | #

      Get started on a new project right now, or I’ll be left with no choice but to write you a sternly worded email.

      • NGPZ
        NGPZ
        May 7, 2023 at 2:13 am | #

        Just contacted the client for details, gathering reference materials…

  23. Pocky
    Pocky
    May 7, 2023 at 1:02 am | #

    Ah; anatomy is a real pain

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 7, 2023 at 1:05 am | #

      i think there was like a viral tumblr post that was like “be a pervert of any kind and draw the same thing a hundred times” for studying anatomy and such

  24. Angel
    Angel
    May 7, 2023 at 1:03 am | #

    lol hope it doesn’t hit the person next to her tho i’d ope there’d be enough space between ppl lol

  25. Raptorofwar
    Raptorofwar
    May 7, 2023 at 1:19 am | #

    God, yeah, from what I hear there’s no sexiness in figure drawing. Just misery and dirtied fingers.

    • Kimi
      Kimi
      May 7, 2023 at 1:45 am | #

      I also find that it is like singing, in that if one wants to show you the work that they have put in and done, they don’t want you to critique it but instead want compliments. Also people tend to be very sensitive if someone says that they were bad at it when they were a kid. Maybe because art, like someone’s voice, it is very personal. Having an “s” and “sh” sounds speech impediment, I would normally get criticism on how I talked or sang growing up. I have heard similar stories from others relating to both that and artwork.

    • Axel
      Axel
      May 7, 2023 at 4:02 am | #

      not even the sexy kind of dirty fingers

  26. Kimi
    Kimi
    May 7, 2023 at 1:40 am | #

    I normally draw alright if I have something to reference (probably due to my scientific training where you would have to draw and label what you see in labs). I am absolutely horrible at drawing something without a reference.

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      May 7, 2023 at 8:14 am | #

      Artists use references all the time. A science background would be great for the skill of drawing what you see, not what you think you see. Please feel proud to use that skill.

      • StClair
        StClair
        May 7, 2023 at 3:57 pm | #

        Seconded.

  27. Rabbit
    Rabbit
    May 7, 2023 at 1:54 am | #

    Hips are indeed bullshit, Joyce is right

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      May 7, 2023 at 4:30 am | #

      But they’re nice, and they don’t lie.

  28. Clif
    Clif
    May 7, 2023 at 2:15 am | #

    Okay, this is a bit of a longshot, but hear me out. I get the feeling this comic may be autobiographical.

  29. Amelie Wikström
    Amelie Wikström
    May 7, 2023 at 4:47 am | #

    My hip has been hurting me nonstop for like two days for no discernible reason. They are totes bullshit.

  30. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    May 7, 2023 at 5:28 am | #

    Nah, drawing hips are the best part.

    My worst part in life drawing is determine the correct size of anything, because you don’t have any measure to guide you.

    That means the worst part of lufe drawing is everything. hahaha

  31. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    May 7, 2023 at 6:29 am | #

    *belatedly plays “The Hippie Hippie Shake” on the hacked Muzak*
    I haven’t taken a runner; I work mostly morning shifts now.

  32. Maddie B
    Maddie B
    May 7, 2023 at 6:34 am | #

    Not starting to feel it’s right, then?

  33. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    May 7, 2023 at 6:55 am | #

    novelty lost its appeal fast eh ?

  34. Yeet
    Yeet
    May 7, 2023 at 7:04 am | #

    I wonder if jacob is going to show up as a model soon and make joe jealous

    • Amelie Wikström
      Amelie Wikström
      May 7, 2023 at 7:37 am | #

      Modeling could be interesting for Jacob. He hates when people want to be close to him just cause of his body, but here there’s no intimacy in objectification, just abstraction. . .

  35. Ray
    Ray
    May 7, 2023 at 9:41 am | #

    I’ve been enjoying the meta-jokes about drawing. Hips and shoulders are truly a pain.

  36. Keulen
    Keulen
    May 7, 2023 at 11:19 am | #

    Trying to draw realistic human figures in general is a pain. If I have to draw a person I pretty much resort to stick figures.

  37. Joe Moose
    Joe Moose
    May 7, 2023 at 2:45 pm | #

    These hips did lie, and they lied to you.

  38. Dorje Sylas
    Dorje Sylas
    May 7, 2023 at 5:45 pm | #

    Artist dealing with fully formed hips: Rage

    Doctor dealing with totally crushed hips from an “accident”: Despair

  39. HueSatLight
    HueSatLight
    May 7, 2023 at 8:25 pm | #

    just keep practicing, the frustration is femoral.

  40. Icalasari
    Icalasari
    May 8, 2023 at 9:33 pm | #

    Never had much issue with hips myself. Shoulders give me more trouble. And elbows screw elbows elbows can burn in a fire

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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 13h
"so now what?" "well handing her every knife in the house has worked out for us so far"
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Chris McFeely @chrismcfeely.bsky.social ⋅ 13h
CYBERWORLD trailer! www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTsf...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 15h
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It's Malaya!  They seem incredulous.
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Uncle Duke @uncleduke1969.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
the need for the inclusion of the graphic is a sad reminder of the shockingly low literacy rate among geese
Sign reads “No Geese” and includes a graphic of a goose silhouette in a red circle with a line through it.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 16h
well look at her, that child was right
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 16h
which do you fuckin THINK, man
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 18h
Today in #9ChickweedLane I learned I can be thrown long enough over POLLY'S FIANCE IS *SIXTEEN YEARS OLDER THAN HER DAD?????* to momentarily forget to wonder HOW IS SISTER STEVEN STILL ALIVE
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
Dumbing of Age: "Formal" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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Formal
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
welp, here we go the guy everyone's been waiting to see tfone starscream
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
still thinking of that time jerry seinfeld guest starred in the season 2 premiere of 30 rock just so he could stare directly into the camera and plug Bee Movie
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the name's rain abyss rain
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The Onion @theonion.com ⋅ 1d
From The Archives: I Don’t Vaccinate My Child Because It’s My Right To Decide What Eliminated Diseases Come Roaring Back theonion.com/i-don-t...
I Don’t Vaccinate My Child Because It’s My Right To Decide What Eliminated Diseases Come Roaring Back
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
was working in the yard when the pizza delivery guy pulled up. handed me the pizzas, joked about whether i actually lived there or was trying to scam free pizza. laughed carried the pizza up to the door, i'd been locked out of my own house, so i stood there awkwardly as the delivery guy stared
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Allie @rally.luckyraven.cc ⋅ 1d
My belief is that a lot of people worship a pantheon of death gods, whether they realize it or not, and my intent is to live long enough to see their gods' heads put up on pikes. That's where I'm at. I'll warm my bones by the glow of these cathedrals of rot when they're all razed to the ground.
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Jodie Troutman @longtalljodie.com ⋅ 1d
People hate being told "if you wanna make a comic, just make a comic" but also I come from The Land of 2000s Webcomics, where a LOT of people just made a comic. And it was harder! We all had to own scanners and buy paper!
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i heart hugs @i-heart-hugs.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
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www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... coming in 10 days and 22 hours: a Dina plushie campaign on Makeship! click the handy button to be notified when it launches!
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... coming in 10 days and 22 hours: a Dina plushie campaign on Makeship! click the handy button to be notified when it launches!
header image - Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
www.makeship.com/petitions/tr... coming in 10 days and 22 hours: a Dina plushie campaign on Makeship! click the handy button to be notified when it launches!
header image - Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
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Tricerahoodie Dina Plushie
Dina is so small and quiet that she goes completely unnoticed by most people for long stretches of time. She doesn’t talk much — she prefers to observe. People and how they interact is a puzzle to Din...
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