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It occurs to me that we never saw Dorothy draw that picture on the last strip, and she seemed to produce it without a lengthy break in the conversation.
She can borrow Amazi-Girl’s. AG is always prepared with emergency extra copies of crude drawings of her naked friends. (Just as Amber is always prepared with emergency extra copies of crude smut of her naked friends.)
If the backs of the paper have butts on them, then you’re right. If there’s no Joe butt, definitely Dorothy. If the butts are on a second sheet, probably Dorothy.
I don’t know if this explanation enough, but Dorothy wouldn’t put the second diagram where it would be difficult to use at the same time. And Joyce would put the butts where they go.
It’s becoming more apparent that Joe and Joyce are currently wanting different things from their relationship. Who else is willing to ship new Dorothy and new Joe?
Also, like, of all the ways to find out your other half is cheating on you, finding someone with a crude naked cartoon drawing of them with arrows listing the various bases seems like it would cause more confusion than outrage.
This was also more or less the same sentiment Joe showed when Joyce casually brought up “doing laundry with Dorothy” after making it clear that “doing laundry” was a euphemism for masturbation. Confused, and maybe a tiny bit worried, but not offended or angry at all.
I’m pretty sure that at this point, he’s 100% convinced that Joyce and Dorothy and f*cking, but feels like it would be hypocritical for him, the Resident Horndog, to raise any objections to this. Which is…actually, maybe not the most healthy attitude for him to have here, to be honest!
I think he’s new to having feels, so his auto-instinct is “why would I complain about my girlfriend getting experimental with a girl, that’s hot” without examining it deeper. If it actually happened, he’d probably be really confused that he felt hurt about it (if he felt hurt about it, that might be his actual emotional reaction after all)
That would be amazing. Do you think Joyce would ever recover?
If that happens, for maximum horror, it has to be a class her mother sits in on in the attempt to talk at her some more and convince her that she has everything wrong and selling Joyce’s childhood home to fund the church that sided with the guy who tried to abduct her best friend at gunpoint and then abducted her and more of her friends and pointed a gun at all of them was the pious, right thing to do. Because a church building matters, somehow, and the church is infallible despite this recent lunacy. And she’s Joyce’s mother so Joyce has to agree with her because that’s what respecting your elders means, and if only Becky weren’t gay, none of this would have happened, so why isn’t Joyce blaming her? Or the transsexuals for influencing her?
[Note: I think an eavesdropping Carla might own this if she got to punch Carol. Ruth would definitely want to punch her… Joyce might need her wrist brace back, assuming she hasnt literally passed out from the embarrassment of having Robin present a guide to bringing her to climax in different ways…]
I think the Joyce face would be one panel, except that panel would be arbitrarily MUCH BIGGER than every other panel ever in the comic. Just 4 normal size panels, and one 100000 square pixel Joyce Face.
The cycle continues until Joe and Joyce one day approach Dorothy, fingers tapping in unison, “Do you wanna join us and become a throuple?”. I mean, she’s planning the sex, planning the dates… she might as well hop aboard as a plus one at this point.
That does seem to be where this is heading.
At least, I hope it is.
For many reasons, not the least of which is that my lovely wife called the Joyce Throuple years ago, and we will feel very vindicated should it become cannon.
Ain’t it always the way. Dorothy finally got over her need to make all her friends into projects, and suddenly everyone’s coming to her desperate to be a project.
I mean, joking aside, it is actually EXTREMELY avoidable, if Dorothy would finally admit to herself that special interests do not trump consent, and she doesn’t actually HAVE to say yes to everything related to her hobby.
Dorothy’s not beating the allegations. Thinking about Joyce’s thighs, that stuff Joe said, the 5-strip makeout scene that leaked on Gaytreon, it’s all adding up.
They’re going to do one of those things where Dorothy gives instructions on what to say or do through an earpiece, only she’ll be feeding lines to both Joyce and Joe.
And then we get the comedic bit where half way through she gets the channels mixed up and the instructions get fed to the wrong one but they keep going.
Maybe Dorothy should write a strategy guide for how to sexually pleasure Joyce Brown. Whatever happened to strategy guides anyway? I used to collect them but they don’t even make them anymore. Dorothy should bring back strategy guides.
The big loss here is personality. Wikis are always so stuffy and rigid, but any old strategy guide I read has actual commentary on the things in the game and more informal language. Everyone thinks they’re writing for some academic council’s approval now, and it’s disgusting.
Eh I think wikis are fine if the site is good. I personally don’t really care about a guide or whatever having personality, I just want the information I am looking for delivered in a easy to understand manner. Difference in perspective I guess.
Don’t get me wrong, I like direct information as much as the next person. There’s just something about “Walk into the room with six Emergent Apathys to find the chest containing a Marvin’s Fingernail” , with each of those terms being a link to a different page, that doesn’t do it for me.
Thing is, there are so many poorly written wikis on Fandom. (Especially for things like plot synopses.) I’m not asking for professional novel quality, but it seems like anything niche gets written up like a third grade book report.
Okay, dinner wise… just had a thought, would Joyce maybe find a way to like something like Korean BBQ? She has a thing about foods touching, and its just meat you grill in front of you and stuff to dip it in if you like but don’t have to.
Its foreign to her, sure, but maybe it’d be enough to get her to expand her horizons a bit, try something a bit different, but still not set off any of her issues?
…also, I figure Joe would go for any place that dumped raw meat in front of him to cook and devour.
OK, I kinda hate you for making me think this… so would Joyce be fine with giving Joe a BJ up until the moment he came, because then the meat and the milk/cream/mayo/choose your own nauseating food-related euphemism would be touching?
Yeah, I was imagining her rounding up both of them, dragging them to a study room, making them sit, and glaring at them while they stumble through the conversation they should have had by now.
Dorothy: so you’re agreed?
Joyce: [small voice] yes?
Joe: [small voice] uhhuh?
Dorothy: Good. Do that. Without me. [storms out]
5 minutes later, Dorothy sits at her desk with her head in her hands. “Goddamnit, I’m finally DONE with it all! I finally got them to stop creepily forcing me into the middle of their relationship, after weeks of pushing and persuading and complaining! …So WHY can’t I stop picturing them making out?!?”
Apropos a previous conversation:
“Cultural appropriation is a joy-killing, curiosity-shaming, inclusion-discouraging theory that divides people naturally inclined to cross boundaries that ought to be crossed.” –Reason Magazine, October 24, 2017
All I’m hearing is “white people should never be told ‘no’ about anything because it makes me sad”.
Cultural appropriation doesn’t shame curiosity, it is a concept that aims to explain the preservation of culturally important practices that shouldn’t be stolen, monetized, and stripped of all meaning.
Some things are not for you. Children learn this, you can too.
And honestly, it’s amazing how FEW things are not for sharing if you approach them with a sincere “hey, that looks really interesting and I’m curious — is it okay for me to learn?” rather than a “hey, I love that aesthetic, I’m going to lazily copy it regardless of what meaning it has for you”.
I should beg permission of others to learn about ideas and techniques that are presented in public? Where do you get off? And some people lazily copy, while some people enliven their culture with a merging of ideas, and you don’t get to say in advance which is which.
Who said beg? Nobody said that but you. Nobody’s making advance judgement calls, either. You’re arguing against points nobody is making, and that’s worthless. You’d get more value screaming into a hole, because at least you might startle an ant. It’s extremely easy to see the difference between learning about a culture and appropriating, and if you’d stop this childish “Ooh something’s being taken from me when you say I should ask first” shit, maybe you could spend that energy learning things instead.
Yes, indeed, white people should not “borrow” things that are not meant to be practiced by outsiders. Nobody should be. There’s so many cool things that are not closed practices that you can partake in – food, sports, many forms of dance or art, lots of clothes, and of course learning about things is almost always fine. You don’t need to partake in things that outsiders aren’t allowed to partake in to do that. Most of the time it’s something sacred, ritually related or something with a lot of cultural context that should not be removed from that context. Hell, there are things from white cultures like that.
So, I think a lot of “cultural appropriation” claims are overblown myself, but let me give something that made me go “uh, wait a minute.”
Bill Willingham’s comic _Fables_. It has its flaws, but I liked a lot about it, especially early on. Anyway, it has a special volume, 1001 Nights, where main character Snow White is emissary to the Arabian fables, and gets trapped into the “I’ll kill you in the morning” scenario, which she avoids by telling stories. So far, so good; Snow White was a very established very main character, and letting her borrow the Scheherazade tactic is fine by me. But.
Eventually she gets out of the situation, and is leaving, and passes the ‘real’ Scheherazade going in to be the next victim… *and gives her the idea of storytelling to save her life.*
This is, like, cultural appropriation _within_ the story. Meta-appropriation. Taking the idea traditionally attributed to Scheherazade, having it be invented by the whitest of white women, and having her give it back to Scheherazade.
Eww.
I could still re-read Fables, because there was a lot of cool stuff about the story. But a lot of sour notes too, and that was a big one.
I mean, I’ve seen people shaming those who’d wear foreign clothes… offered to them BY the foreign people whose countries they were visiting so there is something to that.
Like I get the issue but seriously, calm down about it and don’t try to lynch people who are just bonding with others.
White people sure love putting on a yukata and sombrero so they can get up on the cross they built themselves in shop class and scold brick walls for putting them up there
Naah that’s just Americans, like with their DNA tests “Ooohhh, I’m percentage of this and percentage of that and” no, you’re not. You are American, born and bred. Stop appropriating.
Dorothy, this is the part where you teach a Joyce or Joe to fish rather than doing it for them. You’re enabling something unhealthy I’m not licensed to diagnose (so I don’t know exactly what it is).
But they’re good kids, they’ll figure it out or break up. Both are healthy outcomes.
“Joe, I assure you there is a PERFECTLY INNOCENT EXPLANATION for this!”
“…Really? How?”
“…”
“…”
“…Ok, so there definitely isn’t. But there IS a HETEROSEXUAL explanation for this!”
“Cool, cool. Let’s hear it then.”
“See, Joyce doesn’t want to have penis-in-vagina sex yet, so she asked me to teach her how to – OK, wait, that still sounds super gay, let me start over – “
Eventually, Joyce returns and finds Dorothy and Joe still at the table, except they’re trying to piece together a clear sentence in plain English that doesn’t make this look gay.
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Joe is being very chill about that fact
It occurs to me that we never saw Dorothy draw that picture on the last strip, and she seemed to produce it without a lengthy break in the conversation.
…Did she just happen to already have one on her?
There comes a time in every friendship with Joyce Brown where you realize you need quick access to a crude drawing of her naked form for reference.
Gonna be hilarious when Becky realizes she’s the only member of Joyce’s friend group who doesn’t own one.
She can borrow Amazi-Girl’s. AG is always prepared with emergency extra copies of crude drawings of her naked friends. (Just as Amber is always prepared with emergency extra copies of crude smut of her naked friends.)
I think Joyce drew those, she also prepared the printouts. Joyce is the artist in this friendship.
If the backs of the paper have butts on them, then you’re right. If there’s no Joe butt, definitely Dorothy. If the butts are on a second sheet, probably Dorothy.
I don’t know if this explanation enough, but Dorothy wouldn’t put the second diagram where it would be difficult to use at the same time. And Joyce would put the butts where they go.
Also dicks. Joyce will draw dicks where they go. Like on everybody’s dorm room White boards.
How long, do you think, until they all start carrying around those “anatomically correct dolls” child therapists use?
“Okay, show me on this crude drawing of your naked friend Joyce where she said she wanted you to touch her.”
*checks files*
Which Doctor number are you so I don’t bring the wrong image out to prove a point?
The one who (Who?) flies around in a small blue box and occasionally puts new acquaintances into mortal danger.
Game recognizes game.
“you look like you already have a good start there”
It’s becoming more apparent that Joe and Joyce are currently wanting different things from their relationship. Who else is willing to ship new Dorothy and new Joe?
Yeah, I’m sure Joyce doesn’t want a romantic date and Joe doesn’t want sex within certain confines.
Maybe, just maybe, they’re both UNCOMFY about different things rather than singularly focused with no interest in the other’s wants/needs.
Amazing how Joe is…cool with Dorothy studying a naked Joyce?
I think he understands their friendship well enough to not be threatened by it :D.
He keeps trying to suggest that if Joyce and Dorothy want to… at which point starts going “la la la”.
They’re pals!
Roomates even!
… you might even say ‘roomies’.
Also, like, of all the ways to find out your other half is cheating on you, finding someone with a crude naked cartoon drawing of them with arrows listing the various bases seems like it would cause more confusion than outrage.
I think he’d be fine if they hooked up and started dating, as long as he can still be with Joyce and support her.
Half of the dorm thinks Joyce and Dorothy have a ‘we’re just really, really good friends’ thing going on.
That would be due to the “We’re just really, really good friends” thing they have going on.
Yeah. I mean, they’re not even roommates!
At least half of all archaeologists and historians in the future think that Dorothy and Joyce were just really, really good friends.
maybe we will be sure tomorrow, because last panel is used for joke
This was also more or less the same sentiment Joe showed when Joyce casually brought up “doing laundry with Dorothy” after making it clear that “doing laundry” was a euphemism for masturbation. Confused, and maybe a tiny bit worried, but not offended or angry at all.
I’m pretty sure that at this point, he’s 100% convinced that Joyce and Dorothy and f*cking, but feels like it would be hypocritical for him, the Resident Horndog, to raise any objections to this. Which is…actually, maybe not the most healthy attitude for him to have here, to be honest!
I think he’s new to having feels, so his auto-instinct is “why would I complain about my girlfriend getting experimental with a girl, that’s hot” without examining it deeper. If it actually happened, he’d probably be really confused that he felt hurt about it (if he felt hurt about it, that might be his actual emotional reaction after all)
Bit of a “yeah that seems about right actually” vibe there, huh
Re: alt-text.
Let’s hope we don’t get a wacky sitcom mix-up where Dorothy turns in the wrong thing and Robin teaches a class on Joyce’s erogenous zones.
Probably less work than planning Joyce’s deflowering.
“deflowering” ew.
Or Joe’s.
That would be amazing. Do you think Joyce would ever recover?
If that happens, for maximum horror, it has to be a class her mother sits in on in the attempt to talk at her some more and convince her that she has everything wrong and selling Joyce’s childhood home to fund the church that sided with the guy who tried to abduct her best friend at gunpoint and then abducted her and more of her friends and pointed a gun at all of them was the pious, right thing to do. Because a church building matters, somehow, and the church is infallible despite this recent lunacy. And she’s Joyce’s mother so Joyce has to agree with her because that’s what respecting your elders means, and if only Becky weren’t gay, none of this would have happened, so why isn’t Joyce blaming her? Or the transsexuals for influencing her?
[Note: I think an eavesdropping Carla might own this if she got to punch Carol. Ruth would definitely want to punch her… Joyce might need her wrist brace back, assuming she hasnt literally passed out from the embarrassment of having Robin present a guide to bringing her to climax in different ways…]
The Joyce reaction would be epic. Like, the follow-up next-day comic would just be 5 panels in a row of Joyce Face (TM).
I think the Joyce face would be one panel, except that panel would be arbitrarily MUCH BIGGER than every other panel ever in the comic. Just 4 normal size panels, and one 100000 square pixel Joyce Face.
The cycle continues until Joe and Joyce one day approach Dorothy, fingers tapping in unison, “Do you wanna join us and become a throuple?”. I mean, she’s planning the sex, planning the dates… she might as well hop aboard as a plus one at this point.
Make it so!
As the seamstress said to the Singer repairman.
That does seem to be where this is heading.
At least, I hope it is.
For many reasons, not the least of which is that my lovely wife called the Joyce Throuple years ago, and we will feel very vindicated should it become cannon.
At least 1 AO3 story has been written (prolly more?) of Dorothy’s presence being the catalyst and/or lubrication for Joyce/Joe’s first sexing.
Maybe Dorothy, all this time, has simply had an administration kink?
Dorothy is just going to know so much about Joyce losing her virginity.
….. yeah. Yup.
Of course she will! She’s gonna be there
Finding it?
she was already present for her first time flicking the bean so… ~<3
Ain’t it always the way. Dorothy finally got over her need to make all her friends into projects, and suddenly everyone’s coming to her desperate to be a project.
That’s the mortifying ordeal of being known, baby. That’s the price we all pay for Having Traits and Doing Things
Dorothy should just accept she’s in some sort of fledgling poly relationship. It seems unavoidable.
I mean, joking aside, it is actually EXTREMELY avoidable, if Dorothy would finally admit to herself that special interests do not trump consent, and she doesn’t actually HAVE to say yes to everything related to her hobby.
It’s not your fault Dorothy, your author just think doing this to you it’s really funny. And unfortunately for you, he is right.
to be fair here dorothy, asking one of someone’s best friends what to do for them romantically is actually a pretty solid move
Dorothy’s not beating the allegations. Thinking about Joyce’s thighs, that stuff Joe said, the 5-strip makeout scene that leaked on Gaytreon, it’s all adding up.
Woowwwww all the Gaytreon supporters promised not to talk about Joyrothygate. You swore a solemn vow!
I had my fingers crossed behind my back. And it wasn’t a pinky promise anyway. Doesn’t count. Twice over!
This is the most dysfunctional polycule I’ve seen
May your innocence be preserved.
lmao you must not see many polycules.
This is the most functional polycule I’ve seen.
^^^ This here. This RIGHT here.
Laughed aloud today when I saw this. Laughed even more when I saw Azhrei Vep’s response.
Crude, but he can still tell it’s Joyce.
It’s the hair.
I think it’s the jugs.
(that carla made for her)
((very distinctive))
Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
thank you for why the fuck am I doing this, Dorothy
i mean you could be working with the real person
I just fucking love that panel.
she’d rather interact with charts and stuff then people,
she gotta scratch em autistic itches but want/need them to be something else
I mean Dorothy has had repeated sex with two main characters, and apparently also a third. Plus WTF she did with Joyce and “laundry”.
I mean i wanna believe she gonna do it with her
i really do
Dumbing of Age Book 15: Okay Why the Fuck am I Doing This
Dorothy is either going to have to be coaching both of them via radio, or she’s going to go full dominatrix director.
Might just do texting (sexting?) via phones or outright Facetiming / Zooming.
But, yeah, totally better to just be there in-person and take charge.
My only assumption is this is going to end with the scene in Little Mermaid where Dorothy is singing to Joe to “kiss the girl”.
Or Stephen Colbert angrily slamming his finger into his other hand.
They’re going to do one of those things where Dorothy gives instructions on what to say or do through an earpiece, only she’ll be feeding lines to both Joyce and Joe.
And then we get the comedic bit where half way through she gets the channels mixed up and the instructions get fed to the wrong one but they keep going.
Pegging after all? Or P-in-V after all? Or P-in-B..?
We’re talkin’ all kinds of consonants, in all kinds of vowels!
Thank you both so much for this image, it is INDESCRIBABLY perfect. I can absolutely see this actually happening in the strip!
Maybe Dorothy should write a strategy guide for how to sexually pleasure Joyce Brown. Whatever happened to strategy guides anyway? I used to collect them but they don’t even make them anymore. Dorothy should bring back strategy guides.
There’s no money in them when people will do it for free on the internet.
Those things got replaced by increasingly granular wikis. Just another think wikis have ruined.
Fan wikis killed strategy guides.
It’s too bad Fandom is the go-to platform for that; it’s practically unusable on mobile.
The big loss here is personality. Wikis are always so stuffy and rigid, but any old strategy guide I read has actual commentary on the things in the game and more informal language. Everyone thinks they’re writing for some academic council’s approval now, and it’s disgusting.
Eh I think wikis are fine if the site is good. I personally don’t really care about a guide or whatever having personality, I just want the information I am looking for delivered in a easy to understand manner. Difference in perspective I guess.
Don’t get me wrong, I like direct information as much as the next person. There’s just something about “Walk into the room with six Emergent Apathys to find the chest containing a Marvin’s Fingernail” , with each of those terms being a link to a different page, that doesn’t do it for me.
Thing is, there are so many poorly written wikis on Fandom. (Especially for things like plot synopses.) I’m not asking for professional novel quality, but it seems like anything niche gets written up like a third grade book report.
The platform’s ads don’t help either.
“The Keener Playthrough Guide to Joyce Brown’s Body”
Dorothy, handing Joe the stack of papers: “Here’s your study guide. Good luck.”
So, I guess Joe also forgot that life drawing class got moved to tonight.
Did it get moved though? I’ve been wondering if Joyce just made that up
Okay, dinner wise… just had a thought, would Joyce maybe find a way to like something like Korean BBQ? She has a thing about foods touching, and its just meat you grill in front of you and stuff to dip it in if you like but don’t have to.
Its foreign to her, sure, but maybe it’d be enough to get her to expand her horizons a bit, try something a bit different, but still not set off any of her issues?
…also, I figure Joe would go for any place that dumped raw meat in front of him to cook and devour.
OK, I kinda hate you for making me think this… so would Joyce be fine with giving Joe a BJ up until the moment he came, because then the meat and the milk/cream/mayo/choose your own nauseating food-related euphemism would be touching?
I reported this comment because you made me read that with my own eyes.
I mean, a gentleman is supposed to give warning, just saying. Every date I ever spilled the entire jar of mayo on, didn’t call back.
…….I take no blame or credit for those thoughts. All on you, mate.
dammit now i hungry for Korean BBQ thanks a lot
I am remembering Dorothy’s consternation at always getting involved with virgins (Danny, Walky). The more things change…
Dorothy the Deflowerer
Joe starts worshipping her as his new goddess.
“Deflowerer” ew.
Joe: *Stands on Dorothy’s desk* Oh Captain, my Captain!
Dororthy: What the fuck, Joe?
Joe: I just had an overwhelming urge to do that for some reason.
Damn, maybe Dorothy is cut out to be president. She’s got the voracious sex pest bit fully down!
“Look, Joe, just make her some mac n cheese and giver a kneejob.”
Eh, I’ve had worse dates.
Panel’3 is very reuseable hahaha
A good DoA book title!
just be glad he didn’t see you with that naked Joyce doodle on a really raunchy page.
Something like; holding hands, or cuddling.
Oh c’mon you can’t just mention that stuff here! At least put a CW or NSFW tag up front, will ya?!?!
Can Dorothy get these two together and mediate a conversation?
And then fuck them both.
Yeah, I was imagining her rounding up both of them, dragging them to a study room, making them sit, and glaring at them while they stumble through the conversation they should have had by now.
Dorothy: so you’re agreed?
Joyce: [small voice] yes?
Joe: [small voice] uhhuh?
Dorothy: Good. Do that. Without me. [storms out]
Without her?!
Yeah. Zero chance Joyce lets her leave. She needs the moral support!
5 minutes later, Dorothy sits at her desk with her head in her hands. “Goddamnit, I’m finally DONE with it all! I finally got them to stop creepily forcing me into the middle of their relationship, after weeks of pushing and persuading and complaining! …So WHY can’t I stop picturing them making out?!?”
well “romantic” may be a stretch there, but definitely keep it in mind for later. you never know!
Can something not be romantic AND sexual?
Yes, but they’re separate dimensions of a relationship, or an interaction.
I disagree with that, and I think it’s sad that people feel that way.
You can have romantic sex and sexual romance, it’s not necessary to separate them unless you’re only into one half of that equation.
I can’t wait til Dorothy wears a paper mask of Joyce’s face while going on a date with Joe
We see Dorothy wearing a paper mask but Joe just sees Joyce, like the Spy from Team Fortress 2‘s disguises.
Joe: I feel such a deep connection right now
Dorothy, monotone: I also feel a deep connection Joe
Unfortunately Joe will see right through it because he’s really watching her eyes.
LOVE IT.
Dorothy is considerate.
If Joyce hadn’t asked for this it’d be creepy, but she’s considerate.
In Jensen voice “she asked for this”
I mean yes, obviously this would be creepy if she did it unprompted. It’s a little creepy even now.
Apropos a previous conversation:
“Cultural appropriation is a joy-killing, curiosity-shaming, inclusion-discouraging theory that divides people naturally inclined to cross boundaries that ought to be crossed.” –Reason Magazine, October 24, 2017
Damn, they been wrong for seven whole years now.
Congrats you are a whole week late to be weird about this topic
All I’m hearing is “white people should never be told ‘no’ about anything because it makes me sad”.
Cultural appropriation doesn’t shame curiosity, it is a concept that aims to explain the preservation of culturally important practices that shouldn’t be stolen, monetized, and stripped of all meaning.
Some things are not for you. Children learn this, you can too.
And honestly, it’s amazing how FEW things are not for sharing if you approach them with a sincere “hey, that looks really interesting and I’m curious — is it okay for me to learn?” rather than a “hey, I love that aesthetic, I’m going to lazily copy it regardless of what meaning it has for you”.
I should beg permission of others to learn about ideas and techniques that are presented in public? Where do you get off? And some people lazily copy, while some people enliven their culture with a merging of ideas, and you don’t get to say in advance which is which.
Who said beg? Nobody said that but you. Nobody’s making advance judgement calls, either. You’re arguing against points nobody is making, and that’s worthless. You’d get more value screaming into a hole, because at least you might startle an ant. It’s extremely easy to see the difference between learning about a culture and appropriating, and if you’d stop this childish “Ooh something’s being taken from me when you say I should ask first” shit, maybe you could spend that energy learning things instead.
All I’m hearing is “white people shouldn’t borrow from other cultures because it makes me feel guilty.”
Yes, indeed, white people should not “borrow” things that are not meant to be practiced by outsiders. Nobody should be. There’s so many cool things that are not closed practices that you can partake in – food, sports, many forms of dance or art, lots of clothes, and of course learning about things is almost always fine. You don’t need to partake in things that outsiders aren’t allowed to partake in to do that. Most of the time it’s something sacred, ritually related or something with a lot of cultural context that should not be removed from that context. Hell, there are things from white cultures like that.
So, I think a lot of “cultural appropriation” claims are overblown myself, but let me give something that made me go “uh, wait a minute.”
Bill Willingham’s comic _Fables_. It has its flaws, but I liked a lot about it, especially early on. Anyway, it has a special volume, 1001 Nights, where main character Snow White is emissary to the Arabian fables, and gets trapped into the “I’ll kill you in the morning” scenario, which she avoids by telling stories. So far, so good; Snow White was a very established very main character, and letting her borrow the Scheherazade tactic is fine by me. But.
Eventually she gets out of the situation, and is leaving, and passes the ‘real’ Scheherazade going in to be the next victim… *and gives her the idea of storytelling to save her life.*
This is, like, cultural appropriation _within_ the story. Meta-appropriation. Taking the idea traditionally attributed to Scheherazade, having it be invented by the whitest of white women, and having her give it back to Scheherazade.
Eww.
I could still re-read Fables, because there was a lot of cool stuff about the story. But a lot of sour notes too, and that was a big one.
Libertarian Magazine, lol
why would you admit to reading that thing where people can see
I mean, I’ve seen people shaming those who’d wear foreign clothes… offered to them BY the foreign people whose countries they were visiting so there is something to that.
Like I get the issue but seriously, calm down about it and don’t try to lynch people who are just bonding with others.
White people sure love putting on a yukata and sombrero so they can get up on the cross they built themselves in shop class and scold brick walls for putting them up there
I have never ever done that.
That’s what someone would say if it was all over their Instagram and they didn’t want us to find out.
Naah that’s just Americans, like with their DNA tests “Ooohhh, I’m percentage of this and percentage of that and” no, you’re not. You are American, born and bred. Stop appropriating.
in comedy, timing is half the joke already
Jaina Proudmore
Joe
(I’m feeling kinda nostalgic for Wow lately, and plot doesn’t help me to avoid it)
Joe’s fingers (not fingering) are a hoot. They really give away how new this is to him.
Crude (and nearly accurate) Joyce drawing next to a Joe drawing with stick hair.
A cure to self-consciousness is helping them embrace it
Just make the throuple already!
This is your own fault, Dorothy
Joe totally takes in stride the fact that Dorothy has a crude drawing of naked Joyce next to a sheet of paper that says “Fingering”.
He’s a good Joe.
Regarding the alt-text: Willis, don’t you see? Joyce just wrote the textbook *for* her. All Dorothy needs to do is bind up all those papers
Maybe there’s still time for Yale and becoming President in the next 40 years. Seems easier.
I hadn’t been checking this for a while, very happy I decided to catch up.
I hope Dorothy tells Joe that Joyce really wants to have sex with him and just doesn’t know how to articulate it
He’s git you there Dorothy
Dorothy, this is the part where you teach a Joyce or Joe to fish rather than doing it for them. You’re enabling something unhealthy I’m not licensed to diagnose (so I don’t know exactly what it is).
But they’re good kids, they’ll figure it out or break up. Both are healthy outcomes.
I mean I don’t think it’s anything that can be be diagnosed and just young adults trying to navigate a new relationship.
Teaching them is literally what she’s being expected to do, though.
“Joe, I assure you there is a PERFECTLY INNOCENT EXPLANATION for this!”
“…Really? How?”
“…”
“…”
“…Ok, so there definitely isn’t. But there IS a HETEROSEXUAL explanation for this!”
“Cool, cool. Let’s hear it then.”
“See, Joyce doesn’t want to have penis-in-vagina sex yet, so she asked me to teach her how to – OK, wait, that still sounds super gay, let me start over – “
Eventually, Joyce returns and finds Dorothy and Joe still at the table, except they’re trying to piece together a clear sentence in plain English that doesn’t make this look gay.
I don’t think the polycules ever working out, and yet I think somehow legally this is almost a polycule.
By Indiana State law, Dorothy and Joe would have to have cohabitated for at least one day, for it to count.
He has a point, Dorothy! XD Accept your place as their regulator.
Joe needs help arranging an “interest meeting”