Yeah, I would totally believe that Dorothy is herself a notary, AND that even if she isn’t she would know that notaries can’t notarize their own signature.
There’s probably a “24-Hour Notary Store” near campus (actually many old Mail Boxes, Etc stores used to have notaries, so my snide retort wasn’t toooo far off the mark….well maybe it was…..sorry).
Formal Letter of Apology For Falling In Love With Your Best Friend… I’m pretty sure they have those pre-printed on the shelves, right above Standard Apartment Rental Agreement and just next to Application for License to Tell Fart Jokes
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the notary is Galasso. Becoming a public notary under the vague notion that this will somehow further his plans seems like the kind of thing he’d do.
as bad as I feel fir Becky; I don’t think she’s owed an apology for not getting the girl she wanted, but it’s just that Joyce could at least be a little sympathetic to her atm. If anyone needs an apology; it’s Dina, which may or may not be where Becky is going when she’s done standing in dark rooms.
I honestly think that an Apology would not do much for him, he KNEW this was going to happen, that Joyce and Dorothy were going to be a thing eventually, and while he is certainly in a slump and NEEDS therapy as much as the rest of the cast, I think what he needs right now is to be able to not think about it. He needs people to stop talking about it, and to let him move on in peace.
The only thing they need to apologize for is how badly they fucked up the “Telling Becky about the relationship” part, that conversation was a wreck and it made things seem worse then they were.
Becky needs to go apologize to Dina though, maybe after speaking to a therapist about her being unable to move on despite having a loving relationship with somebody else.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The last thing I wanna hear from someone who has the romantic affection of someone I like over me is that they’re sorry about it. It’s an insulting mix of arrogance and pity. Own your shit Dorothy.
She’s trying. The problem is she still hasn’t figured out what her shit actually is. Dorothy knows she’s got some kind of flaw but can’t seem to actually find it.
I don’t think it’s arrogance or pity in Dorothy’s case. It’s “I truly feel like I have wronged you, and I don’t know in what way I have wronged you and I guessing it’s in this way.” It feels relatable to me
i mean even if she is intentionally copying, there’s only so many unique things you can do with bangs/hairstyles (buti dk if she’s gonna start’ acting’ like dorothy like how sarah started acting ‘cheery’ and jacob thought she was imitating lucy), idk if ppl would’ve thought it if she like, turned it blue/pink or so (i imagine if she still working at galasso’s she’d have some saved up)
Lights off, not good.
Becky’s expressions, not good. … oh, lost her eyes in her bangs in panel 2, missed that she was looking back/to the side and thought she’d just shut them in a moment of “God, what now?” (Which would be quite understandable.)
I’m a notary, and I can’t imagine being asked to sign off on a document like that.
I mean, notaries don’t have to agree with what they’re notarizing or think it’s a good/bad idea. Their only job is to be there and confirm it’s been signed.
Since you are a notary, I’m going to go ahead and horrify you with a trick I was taught by a woman I know. When she needs someone else’s signature on a document notarized, rather than trying to set-up a three way date with that person and the notary, she goes to the notary herself at her convenience, writes “This is an original document” on the document, signs that declaration, and gets the declaration notarized. The counter-party can sign the document also at her convenience either before or after she does this. The end results looks exactly like the counter-party signature was notarized, even though it wasn’t. This is technically fraud, depending on the document, it can be felony fraud, but apparently risking felony fraud is more convenient than fitting another person into her schedule. I once watched her do it with a pre-signed document and saw the notary visibly hesitate before agreeing to do it. You would think there would be a way to like draw a square around a specific signature and say you’re only notarizing that one.
My theory is that they’re putting all their energy towards Becky because they subconsciously know they didn’t *really* do anything wrong to her (besides getting caught in her room) which means they can more easily shake off the guilt. This also makes it easier to ignore the shame of confronting the people they actually hurt.
I get why Becky is impacted by Dorothy/Joyce, I get why that’s a bridge to far and put her in a bad place and I dont actually think Becky is in the wrong for feeling that way.
That being said Dorothy/Joyce didnt wrong Becky by getting together. It was an action they took that hurt Becky as a result but its not on them to avoid ther relationship to avoid that hurt for her.
Now the messaging and the way Becky found out could have been handled a little more tactfully. But I dont fault Doyce because their getting together caused Becky distress.
I DO fault Doyce for their treatment of Joe/Walky/most people but that’s a separate gripe.
Yea I dont think Joyce needs to apologize for falling in love with someone else, Becky doesnt own her, but I do think Joyce should be the one sending someone to check on her and stuff. Shes her best friend, not Dorothy. Especially after Becky tried to cover for her with her dad.
That’s a really good point, idk I know Dorothy is a very awkward bean but at least she’s doing something and seems to care. I think Joyce does too, but we get three panels here and there of her being like 🙁 vs Dorothy at least trying to do something about it, flawed though it may be
Years ago I had to get a document selling some stocks notarized. It noted that for amounts over $14,000,000 an ordinary notary was not enough you needed some kind special super-duper-notary’s seal instead.
i think she’d know walky wouldn’t even read half a paragraph of that and just buy him a figure or something, well, idk if he collects figures as much as ethan does other htan the one he threw at dorothy’s head
If she’s as smart as the cast believes, she’ll stay the fuck away from Walky until the heat dies down. Unfortunately, her desire to seek exoneration through procedure means she’ll probably convince herself that she can confront Walky in a way that’ll end with him saying none of this was actually her fault. I can’t think of a single time in the webcomic that this strategy has worked out for her, but fuck it we ball.
Crazy for Becky to get an apology from Dorothy before Joe. Where’s the honest “sorry for cheating and stealing your girl” written apology? At least that would get the potential polycule conversation rolling
Dotty is still under the impression that Joyce and Joe broke up. Yeah its fine that Joe is cool with the girls smoochingand being together, but Dot doesn’t know that, and hasn’t spoken to Joe since the time he confronted her about the spicy pics she sent to Joyce
last time Dorothy was talking to Joe, she was accusing him of having not earned anything (read: having no character development) and of being a cheater- an accusation that’s just rich coming from her given the events to follow, and directed at a man who’s never been in a committed relationship specifically because he doesn’t want to do what his father did. a man who came to talk to her in the first place to check on someone whom he considered a friend, going so far as to tell that same friend to be honest about the feelings she was having for his own girlfriend
and I don’t recall them talking meaningfully since
I like Dorothy (she’s my favorite mess and the truest example of even the best of us don’t have it all figured out) but that rant about Joe earning nothing keeps bringing me back.
What exactly has she struggled for? She wanted Walky, she got Walky. She wanted them to break up, they broke up. She wanted Walky again, she got him again. She wanted Harvard, she got Harvard (ironically after deciding she no longer wanted it). She secretly pined and wanted Joyce, she has Joyce now.
Dorothy doesn’t owe Joe an apology, but Joyce did promise to go talk to him again and she’s neglected that quite completely at this point. Joyce owes Joe an apology for that, and I’d say she owes Walky an apology for being a complete ass towards him about it all.
Becky owes Joyce an apology for acting like she had ‘dibs’, especially when she already has Dina. And Becky owes Dina an apology for making her feel like a backup option.
Dorothy and Becky though? I’m glad they’re talking and not fighting. I really don’t want their friendship to break under this weight. Especially after their conversation the other night which was one of my favorite Becky moments ever.
Dorothy, why are you apologizing for something you wanted and intend to keep doing? The point of saying “I’m sorry” is to communicate “this is isn’t what I wanted”. It’s why you say “I’m sorry I lied” or “I’m sorry your mother died”, you are telling the other person that the thing that happened is not what you want to have happened. You should apologize for hurting Becky, not for falling in love with her best friend. It’s entirely valid to wish that you could have fallen in love with Joyce without hurting Becky, it’s not valid to act like you wish you wouldn’t have fallen in love with Joyce, because you are clearly pretty happy that it happened.
You’re right, and I’d like to think–since Dorothy is fairly thoughtful–that a lot of that distinction is covered in more detail in the letter. But it’s also in Dorothy’s personality to feel misplaced shame and regret over the aspects of this situation that she doesn’t actually owe an apology for.
(Plus, I grant some suspension of disbelief for the fact that sometimes things have to be sort of oversimplified to fit into chat bubbles)
The problem is Dorothy is looking for exoneration, not forgiveness. Dorothy can’t cope with the idea that she hurt people while following her heart, so she apologizes in ways that’ll coax the wronged party into giving her permission to keep doing it. Naturally, she’s got a form for that.
Now this is the Dorothy I know and love. Hopefully we see her give Walky one too. (even though I believe Billie was mistaken when she essentially told Dorothy that Walky’s heart was in their brief rebound as much as it it’d been in their initial relationship, it would still be in character for Dorothy to do this [plus Joyce being a bongo about the situation still warrants an apology regardless of Walky’s feelings]).
(Yes I went ahead and wrote ‘bongo’ because I knew the filter would change it.)
Yeah, but… nah, but…
What is with Becky’s eyes in panel 2? Are they shut? That looks great, an OFFS look. But then 2 circles, displaced from where eyes should be…
Are they open, smaller than usual, moved to Becky’s right and have lines under them?? What kind of expression would that be?
(Gets phone out and enlarges, yep, those are eyes)
I’m sorry I fell in love with your best friend,
it was months befire I even realized
And if I had a choice
I’d go again for Joyce
Now here’ s a letter, signed and notarized
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Dorothy…
i wonder who notarized it. even if she’s a notary herself surely the ettiquete is to have a diff person do so
it’s more than “etiquette”, you can get in big trouble.
Yeah, I would totally believe that Dorothy is herself a notary, AND that even if she isn’t she would know that notaries can’t notarize their own signature.
Does this call for a hater containment thread? Dorothy’s being awful annoying here.
What the hell, it’s the holidays, I’ll let it pass.
There’s no formal agreement on every page requiring a hater thread, so I’d say you’re legally allowed to take a holiday.
Such a formal agreement would have to be signed and notarized.
Is Dot a notary herself?
Even if she is, you can’t notarize your own stuff.
Don’t trust rooms to be empty.
Also don’t trust empty rooms.
There could be a reason they’re empty.
I’m impressed Becky didn’t flinch.
Well this could go places.
Are any of them good?
When did she have time to see a notary?
Actually, it was probably prepared well in advance, wasn’t it?
Robin notarized it and she accepted a Twinkie as payment
Robin? And sugar? A dangerous combination…
I know!
But that wacky young gal’s a “professor”,
And her sanity’s only so-so…
the sad part is that’s the most plausible explanation I can think of
“Look at all the shit I did to distract myself from being a reasonable human being towards my Ex!”
There’s probably a “24-Hour Notary Store” near campus (actually many old Mail Boxes, Etc stores used to have notaries, so my snide retort wasn’t toooo far off the mark….well maybe it was…..sorry).
Formal Letter of Apology For Falling In Love With Your Best Friend… I’m pretty sure they have those pre-printed on the shelves, right above Standard Apartment Rental Agreement and just next to Application for License to Tell Fart Jokes
Dorothy….probably not something worth signing and Notarizing.
considering she’s ‘out’ of politics/not pursuing a career like that anymore, she prolly does’t get a lot of opportunities to notarize anything
if a thing’s worth doing, it’s worth doing right
Can I get that notarized?
Old Peanuts joke.
It wasn’t worth notarizing until that front page photo got her notoriety.
No tarrying!
Damn, when’d she have time to find a notary? You gotta give Dorothy credit for attention to detail.
Sounds like a job for Lance Parkertip, Noted Notary Public! [KLICK-RUNK!]
Hey, I got that reference!
I bet Dorothy is a Notary and notarized it herself.
notarizing anything in which you have a personal interest is a big no-no.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the notary is Galasso. Becoming a public notary under the vague notion that this will somehow further his plans seems like the kind of thing he’d do.
I endorse this theory because it is funny and awesome.
Dorothy doesn’t need to apologize. At least not to Becky.
Joyce, on the other hand…
Why would Dorothy need to apologize to Joyce?
as bad as I feel fir Becky; I don’t think she’s owed an apology for not getting the girl she wanted, but it’s just that Joyce could at least be a little sympathetic to her atm. If anyone needs an apology; it’s Dina, which may or may not be where Becky is going when she’s done standing in dark rooms.
Idk I still think Walky’s due one.
He’d just brush it off, though. That boy’s not alright.
Everyone’s owed an apology at this point. And when everyone’s owed an apology…..no one is. 😈
I don’t like that this objectively correct—
But this is objectively correct.
Notarized.
I honestly think that an Apology would not do much for him, he KNEW this was going to happen, that Joyce and Dorothy were going to be a thing eventually, and while he is certainly in a slump and NEEDS therapy as much as the rest of the cast, I think what he needs right now is to be able to not think about it. He needs people to stop talking about it, and to let him move on in peace.
Oh i meant specifically for dorothy just letting joyce laugh in his face about it, not the sitch in general
(Yadda yadda ‘gag a day comic’ yadda yadda)
The only thing they need to apologize for is how badly they fucked up the “Telling Becky about the relationship” part, that conversation was a wreck and it made things seem worse then they were.
Becky needs to go apologize to Dina though, maybe after speaking to a therapist about her being unable to move on despite having a loving relationship with somebody else.
Dorothy does not owe Becky an apology for falling in love with Joyce. But she should probably apologize for whatever the heck this nonsense is.
Does this protect one from the Love Police?
Well, that should cover it! Everything solved!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The last thing I wanna hear from someone who has the romantic affection of someone I like over me is that they’re sorry about it. It’s an insulting mix of arrogance and pity. Own your shit Dorothy.
Don’t trust Dorothy Keener
She’s trying. The problem is she still hasn’t figured out what her shit actually is. Dorothy knows she’s got some kind of flaw but can’t seem to actually find it.
I don’t think it’s arrogance or pity in Dorothy’s case. It’s “I truly feel like I have wronged you, and I don’t know in what way I have wronged you and I guessing it’s in this way.” It feels relatable to me
Well sure, as long as it’s notarized.
Oh, Dorothy, you are… a disaster.
Also the matching bangs are really obvious here, huh.
Extremely obvious, yes.
i mean even if she is intentionally copying, there’s only so many unique things you can do with bangs/hairstyles (buti dk if she’s gonna start’ acting’ like dorothy like how sarah started acting ‘cheery’ and jacob thought she was imitating lucy), idk if ppl would’ve thought it if she like, turned it blue/pink or so (i imagine if she still working at galasso’s she’d have some saved up)
Where to begin?
Lights off, not good.
Becky’s expressions, not good. … oh, lost her eyes in her bangs in panel 2, missed that she was looking back/to the side and thought she’d just shut them in a moment of “God, what now?” (Which would be quite understandable.)
I’m a notary, and I can’t imagine being asked to sign off on a document like that.
But you would do it if you were paid?
I mean, notaries don’t have to agree with what they’re notarizing or think it’s a good/bad idea. Their only job is to be there and confirm it’s been signed.
…and that the signers are who they say they are. Forgot to mention that part.
I’ve never charged a fee, it’s more (all) about the pure “wtf” (played up for comic effect, I acknowledge).
“You want me to notarize a what?“
Since you are a notary, I’m going to go ahead and horrify you with a trick I was taught by a woman I know. When she needs someone else’s signature on a document notarized, rather than trying to set-up a three way date with that person and the notary, she goes to the notary herself at her convenience, writes “This is an original document” on the document, signs that declaration, and gets the declaration notarized. The counter-party can sign the document also at her convenience either before or after she does this. The end results looks exactly like the counter-party signature was notarized, even though it wasn’t. This is technically fraud, depending on the document, it can be felony fraud, but apparently risking felony fraud is more convenient than fitting another person into her schedule. I once watched her do it with a pre-signed document and saw the notary visibly hesitate before agreeing to do it. You would think there would be a way to like draw a square around a specific signature and say you’re only notarizing that one.
oh God
well, you weren’t wrong about the horrifying part.
dorothy is an absolute mess
i assume she’d get over it unless it ends up into her guilt breaking up with joyce
I really dislike how Dorothy and Joyce are enabling Becky’s idea that she’s owed Joyce instead of simply talking to her.
Solid point. If they weren’t acting like they’d somehow taken Joyce from Becky she’d probably be feeling a lot less messed up about it.
It’s almost like teenagers under unfamiliar social pressure make judgement errors.
My theory is that they’re putting all their energy towards Becky because they subconsciously know they didn’t *really* do anything wrong to her (besides getting caught in her room) which means they can more easily shake off the guilt. This also makes it easier to ignore the shame of confronting the people they actually hurt.
So is Dot just gonna be staying over at Joyce’s until things cool down a bit again cuz like.. Is Sarah just ment to be cool with an extra roommate?
Like I guess it’s not like she’s not used to Joyce bringing a plus one but that feels like wildely different circumstances
Oh she’s definately not ‘cool’ with it
Are you under the impression that Doyce would ever consider their impact on other people?
Sarah continues to have the worst luck with roommates
well they did say they had ‘sleepovers’ before so idk how much in the way she’d get versus dorothy going out of her way to find a spare place to stay
….ah. sô how did the rest of’the class go ?
i imagine she just sat quietly through it instead of trying to ‘debate/debunk’ any other students/the prof talking through it
maybe not the best timing but i’m sure some ppl wouldn’t mind a letter of apology that way
I get why Becky is impacted by Dorothy/Joyce, I get why that’s a bridge to far and put her in a bad place and I dont actually think Becky is in the wrong for feeling that way.
That being said Dorothy/Joyce didnt wrong Becky by getting together. It was an action they took that hurt Becky as a result but its not on them to avoid ther relationship to avoid that hurt for her.
Now the messaging and the way Becky found out could have been handled a little more tactfully. But I dont fault Doyce because their getting together caused Becky distress.
I DO fault Doyce for their treatment of Joe/Walky/most people but that’s a separate gripe.
Yea I dont think Joyce needs to apologize for falling in love with someone else, Becky doesnt own her, but I do think Joyce should be the one sending someone to check on her and stuff. Shes her best friend, not Dorothy. Especially after Becky tried to cover for her with her dad.
That’s a really good point, idk I know Dorothy is a very awkward bean but at least she’s doing something and seems to care. I think Joyce does too, but we get three panels here and there of her being like 🙁 vs Dorothy at least trying to do something about it, flawed though it may be
You can do it Becky. You can rid us of our Dorothy problem once and for all.
Becky should explode Dorothy with her lesbian eye lazers that all lesbians have for real
That seems a little extreme. I’m all for it. Send the whole comic right off the rails, it’d be hilarious!
Do it Becky. Then dye your hair and take Dorothy’s place.
That better be a Form 27B/6
Joyce breaks into their room using Harry Tuttle’s gear
Years ago I had to get a document selling some stocks notarized. It noted that for amounts over $14,000,000 an ordinary notary was not enough you needed some kind special super-duper-notary’s seal instead.
Sounds like a medallion signature guarantee.
I hope she’s working on Walky’s apology letter. That better be 2 full pages, at least.
i think she’d know walky wouldn’t even read half a paragraph of that and just buy him a figure or something, well, idk if he collects figures as much as ethan does other htan the one he threw at dorothy’s head
It’s the thought that counts.
If she’s as smart as the cast believes, she’ll stay the fuck away from Walky until the heat dies down. Unfortunately, her desire to seek exoneration through procedure means she’ll probably convince herself that she can confront Walky in a way that’ll end with him saying none of this was actually her fault. I can’t think of a single time in the webcomic that this strategy has worked out for her, but fuck it we ball.
4 pages. Single spaced. Because single spaced lines are the only appropriate way to show contrition through writing.
There is absolutely no letter forthcoming.
No chill Dorothy is also my favorite.
Crazy for Becky to get an apology from Dorothy before Joe. Where’s the honest “sorry for cheating and stealing your girl” written apology? At least that would get the potential polycule conversation rolling
i don’t think her and joe have talked but joe told joyce he was ok with ‘sharing’ but idk if theyr’e still technically ‘together’
Dotty is still under the impression that Joyce and Joe broke up. Yeah its fine that Joe is cool with the girls smoochingand being together, but Dot doesn’t know that, and hasn’t spoken to Joe since the time he confronted her about the spicy pics she sent to Joyce
Joyce is also under the impression she and Joe broke up.
It could be because she said “I have to break up with you, Joe.”
last time Dorothy was talking to Joe, she was accusing him of having not earned anything (read: having no character development) and of being a cheater- an accusation that’s just rich coming from her given the events to follow, and directed at a man who’s never been in a committed relationship specifically because he doesn’t want to do what his father did. a man who came to talk to her in the first place to check on someone whom he considered a friend, going so far as to tell that same friend to be honest about the feelings she was having for his own girlfriend
and I don’t recall them talking meaningfully since
I like Dorothy (she’s my favorite mess and the truest example of even the best of us don’t have it all figured out) but that rant about Joe earning nothing keeps bringing me back.
What exactly has she struggled for? She wanted Walky, she got Walky. She wanted them to break up, they broke up. She wanted Walky again, she got him again. She wanted Harvard, she got Harvard (ironically after deciding she no longer wanted it). She secretly pined and wanted Joyce, she has Joyce now.
Dorothy doesn’t owe Joe an apology, but Joyce did promise to go talk to him again and she’s neglected that quite completely at this point. Joyce owes Joe an apology for that, and I’d say she owes Walky an apology for being a complete ass towards him about it all.
Becky owes Joyce an apology for acting like she had ‘dibs’, especially when she already has Dina. And Becky owes Dina an apology for making her feel like a backup option.
Dorothy and Becky though? I’m glad they’re talking and not fighting. I really don’t want their friendship to break under this weight. Especially after their conversation the other night which was one of my favorite Becky moments ever.
she could at least apologize for calling him a cheater when he’s never cheated and she has. with his girlfriend, no less
No, you see, that would mean Joe isn’t a bad person.
Dorothy, you should know better than this for Becky.
She thinks getting things notarized is rather gauche
You have to wonder if Dorothy’s ever apologized for anything in her life without desperately needing it to not *really* be her fault
politician, remember
The Orson Welles tirade against Woody Allen comes to mind
Dorothy, why are you apologizing for something you wanted and intend to keep doing? The point of saying “I’m sorry” is to communicate “this is isn’t what I wanted”. It’s why you say “I’m sorry I lied” or “I’m sorry your mother died”, you are telling the other person that the thing that happened is not what you want to have happened. You should apologize for hurting Becky, not for falling in love with her best friend. It’s entirely valid to wish that you could have fallen in love with Joyce without hurting Becky, it’s not valid to act like you wish you wouldn’t have fallen in love with Joyce, because you are clearly pretty happy that it happened.
You’re right, and I’d like to think–since Dorothy is fairly thoughtful–that a lot of that distinction is covered in more detail in the letter. But it’s also in Dorothy’s personality to feel misplaced shame and regret over the aspects of this situation that she doesn’t actually owe an apology for.
(Plus, I grant some suspension of disbelief for the fact that sometimes things have to be sort of oversimplified to fit into chat bubbles)
The problem is Dorothy is looking for exoneration, not forgiveness. Dorothy can’t cope with the idea that she hurt people while following her heart, so she apologizes in ways that’ll coax the wronged party into giving her permission to keep doing it. Naturally, she’s got a form for that.
Dorothy I don’t think you needed to specifically mention the underwear.
Jon my good bud, you’re the only one making that weird.
Underwear needs changing every day, so you need more of it after spending a night away from home. It wasn’t a comment about her boinking Joyce.
Now this is the Dorothy I know and love. Hopefully we see her give Walky one too. (even though I believe Billie was mistaken when she essentially told Dorothy that Walky’s heart was in their brief rebound as much as it it’d been in their initial relationship, it would still be in character for Dorothy to do this [plus Joyce being a bongo about the situation still warrants an apology regardless of Walky’s feelings]).
(Yes I went ahead and wrote ‘bongo’ because I knew the filter would change it.)
Dear, dear Dorothy…when people said you needed help, they did not mean from a notary public!
Yeah, but… nah, but…
What is with Becky’s eyes in panel 2? Are they shut? That looks great, an OFFS look. But then 2 circles, displaced from where eyes should be…
Are they open, smaller than usual, moved to Becky’s right and have lines under them?? What kind of expression would that be?
(Gets phone out and enlarges, yep, those are eyes)
for what it’s worth, I went through almost this exact same progression.
Ohhhh, I just love Dorothy so much!
Come on girls. Talk it out a bit. It’s not the solution, but it can be a start for bettering Becky’s mental health. GoGoGO!
….notarised by who
I’m sorry I fell in love with your best friend,
it was months befire I even realized
And if I had a choice
I’d go again for Joyce
Now here’ s a letter, signed and notarized
I need more verses here, folks