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Well, I get that they’re both stacked, but you should really shelve those impulses of yours. I mean, tick those two off, and you’d have to book it fast; Otherwise, you’d probably be in quite the bind. Just, y’know, taking the time to cover this to make sure we’re on the same page, that’s all.
Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical, but it’s hardly the only harmful substance in cigarettes. The tar that’ll coat your lungs, and a veritable “who’s who” of carcinogens make cigarettes a way worse option than vaping.
Depending on what’s in the e-cigarette in question (they’re not standardized), there can be many dangerous chemicals and it doesn’t help those around you with respiratory issues. Speaking as a college student, having an asthma attack because of some jackass smoking in the doorway isn’t really better when the smoke’s grape flavoured as opposed to regular cigarette smoke.
I was really disappointed when I learnt that vaping wasn’t just about clouds of sweet-flavoured steam with nothing but water and flavour – that I would have considered taking up…
If only. People are really getting their lungs screwed up by dodgy vape juice.
Not sure how damaging vaping is when the juice is made properly, but evidence is starting to mount that if it’s done improperly, it can do serious lung damage.
“but evidence is starting to mount that if it’s done improperly, it can do serious damage.”
Applies to just about anything and everything. This is why safety commissions exist for products and services. Question might then rather be if not, why there is no safety regulations on something like this..?
It is really much, much less harmful then cigarettes. Nicotine is one of the least harmful substances in cigarettes (body-health-wise). Just take CO and tar as examples.
There’s a whole bunch of other shit in e-cigarettes too.
And nicotine causes cancer and plays havoc with your cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, respiratory, immunological, ocular, renal, and reproductive systems. Even if it were just nicotine, nicotine’s dangerous enough.
Cigarettes basically are the deadliest thing on this planet. One of ten dies because of cigarette related reasons. If vaping were as dangerous, we’d probably already know.
Not saying that it’s healthy. It probably isn’t. But it probably also can’t compete with killer number one.
The ‘we’d already know’ thing seems like a bold claim considering it took years to find out how deadly cigarettes are and the fact there aren’t any major long term studies on vaping. Vaping’s been a thing for less than 20 years – it was invented in 2003.
If they’re both going to cause fatal cancer (and they both contain nicotine so they both can) it seems strange to me to claim one is healthier.
After 20 years, the negative effect of cigarettes to, well, basically the whole body are well visible. We effectively did a long term study, with a few million vapers as participants. So we know that vaping does not destroy the human body as fast as cigarettes.
Processed meat causes cancer, too. But it is way healthier than cigarettes. The key is the probability of causing cancer. One in ten smokers will get cancer. If the ratio is 1:50 for vaping, it is healthier. Still damaging, but not as deadly as cigarettes.
One of the main ways cigarettes kill is copd and the lungs of vapers don’t get bad that fast. We even know switching to vaping can make copd get better. I mean, yes, vaping will, most likely, damage the lungs in some way. There’s stuff going into them that’s not supposed to be there and that will have some effect. But it’s apparently not destroying them completely, like cigarettes do.
No, no we have not done a long term study because you cannot eyeball health impacts like that. It took decades for the long term affects of cigarettes to become apparent in empirical research and they’d been available a lot longer than that. Especially when most people vaping are young and it’s often in your 40s-50s that health affects become apparent.
And we’re just now starting to see a bunch of lung problems apparently linked to vaping.
Even if it is healthier, that only works as an argument if vaping is used as an alternative for existing smokers, not as a way to hook a new generation on nicotine. Which, given that it apparently bypassed a lot of the rules about marketing to kids, it certainly seems to be.
It isn’t carcinogen. For the other things you are writing I would have to look into specific studies to say something about it.b It is of course up to you to believe what you want. But scientific speaking, with the kind of evidence we have till now (which is not nearly as much as with cigarettes), vaping is much less harmful, because it doesn’t contain CO and tar. But the tobacco lobby is clearly steering the conversion (at least in Europe. Here not even chewing tobacco is allowed and cheering tobacco is much less harmful and less addicting than cigarettes).
Vaping has a different hazard profile compared with cigarettes. On one hand, it does seem less carcinogenic. OTOH, nobody gets popcorn lung from cigarettes, and they do get it from vaping.
… I feel like I should put a link in to the Game Theory episode where MatPat proved that four half a pack of cigarettes has enough nicotine to drop someone dead in around 30 minutes if properly concentrated.
The first Ellery Queen mystery novel (ask your grandparents) involves nicotine as the means of murder, but it is in liquid form and applied subcutaneously.
Nicotine not harmful? The fu… atherosclerosis (arterial hardening, they need to be flexible) isn’t harmful? That’s straight up an effect of the nicotine itself…and just the first one I thought of off the top of my head.
I don’t know what you’re smoking that you think nicotine isn’t harmful, but it isn’t nicotine. Or weed. Maybe paint thinner.
Well, yes. That’s why tobacco plants produce it (lots of plants produce weird chemicals – the ones that produce something that kills or inhibits insects tend to be more successful). Some of those chemicals affect the human nervous system. Humans being sensation seekers we tend to try all sorts of crap. As a cranky old guy, I tend to think that this is usually a bad idea.
On a talk show many years ago, I heard a comedian say that a typical cigarette that you don’t drag on takes 11 minutes to burn. The stand-up guys in the Forties and Fifties used the cigarette to time out their acts. Just a datum.
Not really. I know plenty of people who went through withdrawals just switching from whatever they had to plain tobacco. No need to spike your poison with other poisons.
One of the defunct, wholesome, family brands that used to sponsor radio shows, like Fatima or Lucky Strike.
(Probably a made-up Camel-esque brand. Kind of like her motorcycle that isn’t a particular model, but resembles a Japanese sport bike such as a Yamaha R6 or Kawasaki Ninja 650.)
Outside of the overarching problems caused by the relative positions of authority for Jason and Sal, that seemed like a relatively wholesome hookup. This would seem more problematic based on the previous interactions of the people involved. Also no bowtie so an obvious downgrade.
Sal blushing is the most adorable thing ever (the general badass-ness only intensifies the cuteness of a blush). Also… well-timed strip at usual (and that’s all I’ll say about that).
This interaction got a smile out of me, it’s cute and silly. I’m kinda hoping things turn out well here. Like, they don’t necessarily end up as friends, but stay on relatively decent terms. Clear the air. Move on.
Asher lets Sal know that some chucklefuck is trying to rope him into shenanigans so that everyone can be warned about the Dumbass Duo.
Ah sexual appeal. Th one thing that makes horrible people be easily forgiven as much as why white people can get away with anything. Mike was into something there.
Light Yagami, Akechi Goro, Tsukasa, Dio Brando, Vriska Serket, every fucking vampire pretty boy and girl… yeah…
This reminded me of one point in high school where I worked Light Yagami into a math project, then started rambling during the presentation about how he shouldn’t be viewed positively or something, only to interrupt myself by saying “and nobody cares about this” mid-sentence.
Yes, but the issue is people “easily forgave him” as abysswatcher said, and that there ARE people who viewed him as “the good guy of the situation.” I feel it should be obvious, but others feel differently, thus the rambling.
Cops are overgrown children cosplaying War, with all the rest of us forced into their stupid, childish game without our consent, consuming vast funds from the public treasury and ruining lives by the hundreds of thousands.
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I cannot get over these cops wearing night vision to arrest a dude on a Southwest Airlines flight in broad daylight.
a woman posted a pic in a group chat of a baby turkey she bought thinking it was a chicken. She captioned the pic "IS THIS A TURKEY?!?"
Anyway, I haven't been here because I've been yelling IS THIS A TURKEY at everything. You should try it
y'ever figure, hey, i should put joyce in bisexual flag colors for this storyline, but you also figure, hrm, that might telegraph things 8 months in advance, so you... add orange stripes and... it works, somehow it works, nobody points out the pink/purple/blue
Jonathan Joss being shot outside his home while protecting his husband after being sent a threatening and distressing package is WHY we need Pride
It's 2025 and people are still being shot and killed for being queer
This is why we march and why we fight
the thing about white liberal Americans is that they'll argue to accept bigots into their tent before accepting the bigots' targets.
the targets that have been on the same side as white liberals from the jump.
John Redcorn was pretty much the only contemporary Native representation I had in comedy growing up. Probably the funniest Native character in cartoon history and a lot of that was on Jonathan Joss' pitch perfect rezzy uncle performance. RIP to one of the best to ever do it.
today in #9chickweedlane i learned that, yes, lolly is so edda 2.0 that she's even wearing her mother's wedding dress as she gets married to Her Dad (But Taller)
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“you should get a library card if you wanna check me out lolololol”
You must’ve returned the books late, because, you got FINE written all over you
Here, let me show you our overnight slot.
(Sudo create a joke using “overdue” for two likely horny people.)
Can I add you to my holdings?
As a pickup line, this would probably work better as a statement:
“I’d like to add you to my holdings.”
*makes a joke involving the Dewey Decimal System*
Makes a joke about the other person being on hold…
Dewey Decimal System? Do we ever!
Wow, you’re rather eager to do it with them, huh?
Well, I get that they’re both stacked, but you should really shelve those impulses of yours. I mean, tick those two off, and you’d have to book it fast; Otherwise, you’d probably be in quite the bind. Just, y’know, taking the time to cover this to make sure we’re on the same page, that’s all.
I knew I liked Tai when she blurted out, in perfect iambic pentameter, “Oh joyous day, you passed the test! You’re hired”.
They’re in college now. They use the Library of Sexual Congress system.
(Quietly escorts them to 306.7 in nonfiction.)
Librarian jokes are almost as cool as mathematician jokes.
Panels 4 and 5 actually took several complete cigarettes, they only started speaking again because their packs were running low.
Smoking Duel?
Russian Roulette, cancer edition…?
Where every chamber is loaded, but with soft lead bullets, and in a low-velocity gun? Guess they’re playing the long game, huh?
So would that imply they’ve been there for hours, or did they both chain smoke a pack each?
Sounds like my teenage years. Up to 4 packs a day.
Now bone.
It’s like really delayed make up sex.
“Oh no we’re hot”
Oh no they’re hot. It’s not fair that I would literally stop breathing around either of them thanks to their goddamn smoking habits.
I guess “yay they’re fictional” applies here? Somehow?
bisexual frustration increases
If they switched to vaping, they would be better off health-wise but covered in a smokey haze.
Most e-cigarettes contain nicotine, so it’s really not that much healthier.
Nicotine is a highly addictive chemical, but it’s hardly the only harmful substance in cigarettes. The tar that’ll coat your lungs, and a veritable “who’s who” of carcinogens make cigarettes a way worse option than vaping.
Nicotine’s hardly the only harmful substance in vaping either. There just haven’t been long term studies about harm from vaping yet.
Isn’t vape juice just nicotine, food-grade artificial flavoring, and water?
(As someone allergic to nicotine that’s bad enough, but I was under the impression there weren’t other substances in vape juice.)
Depending on what’s in the e-cigarette in question (they’re not standardized), there can be many dangerous chemicals and it doesn’t help those around you with respiratory issues. Speaking as a college student, having an asthma attack because of some jackass smoking in the doorway isn’t really better when the smoke’s grape flavoured as opposed to regular cigarette smoke.
I was really disappointed when I learnt that vaping wasn’t just about clouds of sweet-flavoured steam with nothing but water and flavour – that I would have considered taking up…
If only. People are really getting their lungs screwed up by dodgy vape juice.
Not sure how damaging vaping is when the juice is made properly, but evidence is starting to mount that if it’s done improperly, it can do serious lung damage.
“but evidence is starting to mount that if it’s done improperly, it can do serious damage.”
Applies to just about anything and everything. This is why safety commissions exist for products and services. Question might then rather be if not, why there is no safety regulations on something like this..?
It is really much, much less harmful then cigarettes. Nicotine is one of the least harmful substances in cigarettes (body-health-wise). Just take CO and tar as examples.
There’s a whole bunch of other shit in e-cigarettes too.
And nicotine causes cancer and plays havoc with your cardiovascular, gastrointestinal, respiratory, immunological, ocular, renal, and reproductive systems. Even if it were just nicotine, nicotine’s dangerous enough.
Cigarettes basically are the deadliest thing on this planet. One of ten dies because of cigarette related reasons. If vaping were as dangerous, we’d probably already know.
Not saying that it’s healthy. It probably isn’t. But it probably also can’t compete with killer number one.
The ‘we’d already know’ thing seems like a bold claim considering it took years to find out how deadly cigarettes are and the fact there aren’t any major long term studies on vaping. Vaping’s been a thing for less than 20 years – it was invented in 2003.
If they’re both going to cause fatal cancer (and they both contain nicotine so they both can) it seems strange to me to claim one is healthier.
After 20 years, the negative effect of cigarettes to, well, basically the whole body are well visible. We effectively did a long term study, with a few million vapers as participants. So we know that vaping does not destroy the human body as fast as cigarettes.
Processed meat causes cancer, too. But it is way healthier than cigarettes. The key is the probability of causing cancer. One in ten smokers will get cancer. If the ratio is 1:50 for vaping, it is healthier. Still damaging, but not as deadly as cigarettes.
One of the main ways cigarettes kill is copd and the lungs of vapers don’t get bad that fast. We even know switching to vaping can make copd get better. I mean, yes, vaping will, most likely, damage the lungs in some way. There’s stuff going into them that’s not supposed to be there and that will have some effect. But it’s apparently not destroying them completely, like cigarettes do.
No, no we have not done a long term study because you cannot eyeball health impacts like that. It took decades for the long term affects of cigarettes to become apparent in empirical research and they’d been available a lot longer than that. Especially when most people vaping are young and it’s often in your 40s-50s that health affects become apparent.
And ‘processed’ meat doesn’t actually mean anything specific. Salting and canning it makes it processed.
And we’re just now starting to see a bunch of lung problems apparently linked to vaping.
Even if it is healthier, that only works as an argument if vaping is used as an alternative for existing smokers, not as a way to hook a new generation on nicotine. Which, given that it apparently bypassed a lot of the rules about marketing to kids, it certainly seems to be.
It’s really not replacing smoking either – most people who vape and smoke don’t give up smoking.
Re – Nicotine causes cancer. Most experts agree not. See https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323542.php
It isn’t carcinogen. For the other things you are writing I would have to look into specific studies to say something about it.b It is of course up to you to believe what you want. But scientific speaking, with the kind of evidence we have till now (which is not nearly as much as with cigarettes), vaping is much less harmful, because it doesn’t contain CO and tar. But the tobacco lobby is clearly steering the conversion (at least in Europe. Here not even chewing tobacco is allowed and cheering tobacco is much less harmful and less addicting than cigarettes).
I am very sorry for the misspellings and autocorrections. I hope everything is still readable, if somebody is reading it.
And its not like vaping has ever killed anyone, right? RIGHT?
Vaping has a different hazard profile compared with cigarettes. On one hand, it does seem less carcinogenic. OTOH, nobody gets popcorn lung from cigarettes, and they do get it from vaping.
I remember a figure from long ago: CO at 640 times industrial save level. Plus 200 other toxins, including PVC.
… I feel like I should put a link in to the Game Theory episode where MatPat proved that four half a pack of cigarettes has enough nicotine to drop someone dead in around 30 minutes if properly concentrated.
4 packs of tylenol will also kill you. Not as quickly, but it will do it.
Not arguing in favour of nicotine, just saying.
That was Austin with the SCIENCE! Don’t you be getting Austin to start yelling some more, he really needs to save his voice lol
But in what form?
The first Ellery Queen mystery novel (ask your grandparents) involves nicotine as the means of murder, but it is in liquid form and applied subcutaneously.
Nicotine not harmful? The fu… atherosclerosis (arterial hardening, they need to be flexible) isn’t harmful? That’s straight up an effect of the nicotine itself…and just the first one I thought of off the top of my head.
I don’t know what you’re smoking that you think nicotine isn’t harmful, but it isn’t nicotine. Or weed. Maybe paint thinner.
Upon rereading it’s clear that you said it’s the least harmful, which is like…saying a fire is the least hot of a group of fires?
Don’t put your hand in any of the fires, they’ll all burn you.
Nicotene is a really good insecticide.
Ever seen the hazared label on a nicotene container?
Well, yes. That’s why tobacco plants produce it (lots of plants produce weird chemicals – the ones that produce something that kills or inhibits insects tend to be more successful). Some of those chemicals affect the human nervous system. Humans being sensation seekers we tend to try all sorts of crap. As a cranky old guy, I tend to think that this is usually a bad idea.
like hot peppers.
Vaping involves many potentially dangerous chemicals and really isn’t safer than regular cigarettes.
https://e-cigarettes.surgeongeneral.gov/
He’s an asshole though.
Ugh. Maybe if they weren’t inveterate chain-smokers.
Asher: “I’ve spent hours wondering what Walky would look like with a full head of seaweed.”
On a talk show many years ago, I heard a comedian say that a typical cigarette that you don’t drag on takes 11 minutes to burn. The stand-up guys in the Forties and Fifties used the cigarette to time out their acts. Just a datum.
Now I’m kinda wondering if Marcie knows Sal went to meet Asher. I wonder what she’ll think if she does (and, more interestingly, if she doesn’t).
In the mean time – go on, you two.
Is there a blue line drawing behind the comic?
Yeah looks like the pencils layer is still visible.
Now bump cigarettes
jk don’t do it Sal
Is that like a fist bump for smokers?
I know Black Lagoon used it as a proxy kiss once.
Dueling fags?
NO
Bumping cigarettes, or swapping cigarettes? Maybe that last one is too hot for TV.
Asher, you could at least turn around and give her the rear view.
what brand does sal smoke?
Who cares, they’re all poison.
Not really. I know plenty of people who went through withdrawals just switching from whatever they had to plain tobacco. No need to spike your poison with other poisons.
You can’t “not really” me calling cigarettes poison, then turn around and call them poison yourself with your next sentence.
Zach was “not really”ing your “Who cares”
That makes even less sense.
One of the defunct, wholesome, family brands that used to sponsor radio shows, like Fatima or Lucky Strike.
(Probably a made-up Camel-esque brand. Kind of like her motorcycle that isn’t a particular model, but resembles a Japanese sport bike such as a Yamaha R6 or Kawasaki Ninja 650.)
Llama cigarettes? Or does that brand already exist?
Bactrian, “With added carcinogens for when you want TWO lumps”
Dumbing of Age Book 10: Oh No They’re Both Very Attractive
Dumbing of Age Book 10: Puberty Has Been Kind To Us Both
DoA Book 10: Do Let Me Know When You’re Done Checking Me Out
Oh noes, Sal’s taste in men makes a tragic comeback.
Yeaaaahhhhhh, her taste in men leaves something to be strongly desired.
And I would love to get your read on it, so I’m gonna sit and read whatever analysis you feel up to offering.
Leslie’s taste in women: “Hold my beer.”
You mean: “I am going to need more beers.”
Stupid sexy Sal and Asher…
Monster prom reference or just general (bisexual) frustration? Cuz either way I relate
Simpsons said it first, with “Stupid sexy Flanders”. But take it how you will.
So would this count as a step up from Jason, or…?
Outside of the overarching problems caused by the relative positions of authority for Jason and Sal, that seemed like a relatively wholesome hookup. This would seem more problematic based on the previous interactions of the people involved. Also no bowtie so an obvious downgrade.
Is that a blush I see in panel 5?
Sal has a touch of one, yes.
Amber did find Asher hot. No reason Sal can’t as well.
Sal blushing is the most adorable thing ever (the general badass-ness only intensifies the cuteness of a blush). Also… well-timed strip at usual (and that’s all I’ll say about that).
Well they both smoke, so if you throw out the fact he snitched on her, then based on purely superficial reasons they’re perfect for each other!
“They’re standing next to each other.”
They shares 2 panels worth of screen time. They must be shipped together!
When there’s a crime out there, he’s gonna comb his hair
‘Cause he’s the, Good Looking Guy!
Eh probably you shouldn’t try to bang the guy who called the cops on you but whatevs.
asher doesn’t miss an opportunity
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What a pair! Now kiss
When I read the third panel I somehow didn’t see Sal’s glove and thought her cigarette was floating in front of her face for a moment there.
I thought that too! I appreciated it because it reminded me of Alex With Pen, who always has peoples cigarettes floating when they talk
I didn’t see it either, until I went back up and looked again after reading your comment. I swear it just appeared there! Witchcraft!
The sixth panel has a floating cigarette.
If there’s one thing Sal should have learned by now it’s that bad boys are always bad news. No matter how hot they look.
Alas, that’s a lesson society in general seems well willing to overlook. :/
I mean, IS Asher still a bad boy? Would you still call Sal a “bad girl”?
I wonder what his job is. Perhaps Asher works at the “Walkerton twin meet-and-greet (and get beat)”?
This interaction got a smile out of me, it’s cute and silly. I’m kinda hoping things turn out well here. Like, they don’t necessarily end up as friends, but stay on relatively decent terms. Clear the air. Move on.
Asher lets Sal know that some chucklefuck is trying to rope him into shenanigans so that everyone can be warned about the Dumbass Duo.
OR Asher gets to Amber thru Sal. But not before he and Sal became an item so he can betray her again in the process.
Congrats you are officially more evil than me, and I can be pretty evil.
They like each other. But what has happened in the past is pretty huge.They will be able to become friends again?
If she can be friends with the girl who stabbed her, the guy who called the cops on her might be doable too
-chanting- Slipshine! Slipshine! Slipshine!
Am I the only one here that feels ooged-out by this encounter?
My skin is crawling so hard I can hear it scrape against my cartilage.
Well well
Ah sexual appeal. Th one thing that makes horrible people be easily forgiven as much as why white people can get away with anything. Mike was into something there.
Light Yagami, Akechi Goro, Tsukasa, Dio Brando, Vriska Serket, every fucking vampire pretty boy and girl… yeah…
Did you really just insinuate Light Yagami has sex appeal? That guy’s a total loser, and his hair looks like a lemon juicer.
This reminded me of one point in high school where I worked Light Yagami into a math project, then started rambling during the presentation about how he shouldn’t be viewed positively or something, only to interrupt myself by saying “and nobody cares about this” mid-sentence.
Well yeah, just because he was the main character didn’t mean that he was the good guy of the situation.
Yes, but the issue is people “easily forgave him” as abysswatcher said, and that there ARE people who viewed him as “the good guy of the situation.” I feel it should be obvious, but others feel differently, thus the rambling.
hot as rebels