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Sex parts pills

by David M Willis on November 22, 2022 at 12:01 am
  • 02 – Turning Saints Into the Sea
└ Tags: becky, jennifer, joyce

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    November 22, 2022 at 12:03 am | #

    to be fair, drinking a bunch first thing in the morning is supposed to be a good way to wake-up

    • Skater Girl
      Skater Girl
      November 22, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

      *looks at empty bottle of Scotch* Can confirm

      • MIB4u
        MIB4u
        November 22, 2022 at 6:34 am | #

        oh, you sly sk8r grrrl … Seconded …

      • Juanoku
        Juanoku
        November 22, 2022 at 9:18 am | #

        You may have issues

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          November 22, 2022 at 11:59 am | #

          Yeah, the issue is that they’re out of Scotch.

          • Librain
            Librain
            December 4, 2022 at 4:41 am | #

            Technically speaking, alcohol is a solution!

    • Mark
      Mark
      November 22, 2022 at 5:58 pm | #

      So is drinking a bunch just before going to bed. :-/

  2. darkoneko
    darkoneko
    November 22, 2022 at 12:03 am | #

    Y’all are DORKS

  3. Doctor_Who
    Doctor_Who
    November 22, 2022 at 12:04 am | #

    If Joyce is gonna start every day chugging a 2-liter, she’s going to be giving Walky a run for his money diet-wise.

    • Sporky
      Sporky
      November 22, 2022 at 12:08 am | #

      Joyce and Walky do share the same aspirations for the future.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      November 22, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

      Maybe she can transition to sparkling flavored water. Im just glad Joyce is getting to trial and error what works best on her own terms.

      • Doctor_Who
        Doctor_Who
        November 22, 2022 at 12:14 am | #

        Joyce is very picky. I recall a strip where she was upset she got Sierra Mist or 7-Up instead of Sprite.

        Doubt she’d be a fan of “battery acid stored downwind from a lime” flavor.

        • Switchchris
          Switchchris
          November 22, 2022 at 12:40 am | #

          Im not sure it has anything to do with flavor and has more to do with Change not being easy for her to accept. She grew up drinking Sprite because that was the soda they sold in her town, so she drinks Sprite, anything else would feel like a Betrayal or just wrong. Routine tends to be a big thing for a lot of people with Autism like Joyce (and myself), any change from that Routine (be it major change or simply changing a brand of food they are eating) can be upsetting or even cause a panic attack.

        • Decidedly Orthogonal
          Decidedly Orthogonal
          November 22, 2022 at 12:41 am | #

          Instead of liquid diabetes? I don’t think flavour wars over sparkling beverages have a lot of high-ground.

          • The Oracle
            The Oracle
            November 22, 2022 at 1:11 am | #

            Is a “high-ground” even required? It’s all just fizzy stuff with different flavors, why can’t people just prefer certain flavors over others?

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          November 22, 2022 at 12:43 am | #

          Also the lime is hidden under a pile of sawdust, for that authentic sparkling water flavor.

          • Leorale
            Leorale
            November 22, 2022 at 1:10 am | #

            It’s like regular water, but angry!

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          November 22, 2022 at 7:25 am | #

          I swear they only “flavor” that stuff with the power of suggestion. “There are lemons and limes on the bottle, therefore this must be lemon-lime.”

          • Leorale
            Leorale
            November 22, 2022 at 4:25 pm | #

            Nah, it’s the aftertaste!

            I have a really weak sense of smell/taste, and I don’t drink soda, but the seltzer flavours are still all significant to me. One time my father-in-law accidentally got toasted coconut seltzer (which tastes weird enough to begin with) and mixed it with cherry. It was definitely a flavor.

      • Lars
        Lars
        November 22, 2022 at 2:39 am | #

        Do have a look, how much sugar is in flavored water. Compared to Sprite it’s only the 10 inch chocolate Santa, not the 12 inch one.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          November 22, 2022 at 12:47 pm | #

          Okay, so that’s 2 whole inches less of chocolate Santa.

      • Ari
        Ari
        November 22, 2022 at 3:40 pm | #

        Well, sure, but I’m not sure birth control pills are actually effective if you dissolve them in soda first… at minimum it would probably affect dosing

  4. Yeet
    Yeet
    November 22, 2022 at 12:04 am | #

    Amazed she kept up the smile through all of this instead of shifting to a minor freakout face. She’s REALLY happy about Joe, huh.

  5. Suet
    Suet
    November 22, 2022 at 12:05 am | #

    That explains her chippy mood… <abbr title="They come in BAGS?! What about the TUBES?!"Sugar

    HANNAH

    HANNAH BROWN

    • Suet
      Suet
      November 22, 2022 at 12:08 am | #

      Well I need sugar.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 22, 2022 at 7:26 am | #

      I thought her middle name was still Nicole.

      • King Daniel
        King Daniel
        November 22, 2022 at 4:40 pm | #

        Joyce Nicole Brown is the old person. This new person is Joyce Hannah Brown.

  6. William Leonard Reese Jr.
    William Leonard Reese Jr.
    November 22, 2022 at 12:05 am | #

    *Tilts head*

    . . .Would that work? Like because it’s pill form I would imagine that you would need to take the pills all at once, or halved, in a . . .solid thing that will dissolve over time in your system.

    If dissolved in a soda wouldn’t that. . . diffuse and or make it inert?

    • Sirksome
      Sirksome
      November 22, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

      Depends entirely on the pill. I have no idea about birth control specifically but I do know some gel caps don’t dissolve in certain liquids.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      November 22, 2022 at 12:12 am | #

      this sounds dangerously close to organic chemistry

      • eh, whatever
        eh, whatever
        November 22, 2022 at 5:59 am | #

        Is.

    • Ryan
      Ryan
      November 22, 2022 at 12:15 am | #

      The dilution shouldn’t be a problem. Pills are small so we can swallow them and because they’re shelf stable longer. This would be bad to do with a slow release medication, since you’d get it all at once. There’s also a chance that the beverage could react with the pill.

    • Jason
      Jason
      November 22, 2022 at 4:27 am | #

      It absolutely can, but more likely with capsules. Whether or not it’s the case here (the leaflet in the box should say) someone should really tell Joyce that it can be an issue and she needs to be careful.

      • Ana Chronistic
        Ana Chronistic
        November 22, 2022 at 11:06 am | #

        Quick Goggle says it’s fine other than soda is bad for you nutritionally

        Also, retired pharmacologist father assures me drug interactions are rare, so unless it specifically says otherwise on the label, it’s basically ok to take with anything

  7. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    November 22, 2022 at 12:05 am | #

    I knew the water trick would work, except with Sprite I guess. Man I remember being able to down multiple liters a of soda day. Good thing Joyce is still young. That’ll catch up to ya.

    • Rose by Any Other Name
      Rose by Any Other Name
      November 22, 2022 at 12:11 am | #

      I use the water trick with my kids all the time. Of course, that’s with liquid medicine, but still.

    • Carla's #2 Fan
      Carla's #2 Fan
      November 22, 2022 at 4:11 am | #

      My sister has to use soda/bubbly drinks to get her pills down. It’s the carbonation. Stops her from feeling it, helps her swallow. Personally I just dry swallow pills and then drink water after to make sure my throat won’t be scratched.

  8. Svankensen
    Svankensen
    November 22, 2022 at 12:05 am | #

    Ohh, is someone trying to be a better person for Joe?

    • svankensen
      svankensen
      November 22, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

      Please don’t be booster again

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        November 22, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

        rip

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          November 22, 2022 at 7:28 am | #

          Press F to pay respects.

      • Jamie
        Jamie
        November 22, 2022 at 12:30 am | #

        I think you need to change your email, not your name.

        • Decidedly Orthogonal
          Decidedly Orthogonal
          November 22, 2022 at 12:46 am | #

          Yes. There’s a full write-up on Grav Roulette on Walkypedia.

      • Amós Batista
        Amós Batista
        November 22, 2022 at 8:39 am | #

        sorry, more booster

  9. Jenniffniff
    Jenniffniff
    November 22, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    Did we know her middle name was Hannah?

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      November 22, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

      Yeah did we? 🤔

    • RassilonTDavros
      RassilonTDavros
      November 22, 2022 at 12:13 am | #

      We did not! If anything, I think most people who thought about it just assumed that it was probably “Nicole” since that’s what it was in the other universe. Evidently this is not the case here.

    • John Campbell
      John Campbell
      November 22, 2022 at 12:24 am | #

      I was under the impression it was Nicole.

      I guess if Ruth and Dina can change their names, Joyce can too.

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      November 22, 2022 at 4:28 am | #

      I’ve believed nobody have a middle name in USA. Or, at least, nobody tell it, because some good reason.

      • Mark
        Mark
        November 22, 2022 at 7:05 am | #

        Only custom, I think. However, in some families, if your mother calls you by your full name it means “you are in big trouble now.”

        (Now I am remembering a Phillipine exchange student in high school who had so many names that by the time you spoke them all you could have forgotten why you were addressing him.)

      • Slartibeast Button, BIA
        Slartibeast Button, BIA
        November 22, 2022 at 1:18 pm | #

        Many people do, but not everyone. I don’t, nor does my sister.

  10. Nathan
    Nathan
    November 22, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    Is there any chance her approach will interfere with the effective functioning of the drug she’s taking?

    • Jason
      Jason
      November 22, 2022 at 4:28 am | #

      Yes. There is a chance. I don’t know how high it is, but there is a chance.

      • MIB4u
        MIB4u
        November 22, 2022 at 6:40 am | #

        highly improbable though

  11. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    November 22, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    On a scale of bad things to wash your pills down with Sprite I assume isn’t the best but it’s probably not the worst either.

    • Ryan
      Ryan
      November 22, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

      Better than Coke or Pepsi or grapefruit juice. Worse than water or most other juices.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        November 22, 2022 at 7:29 am | #

        What about grapefruit soda?

        • Smallmoon
          Smallmoon
          November 22, 2022 at 12:28 pm | #

          (For the purposes of this comment, I will assume you are being sincere.)

          Grapefruit soda is off the table, too. Grapefruit juice can react with certain medications to blunt or completely neutralize their effectiveness, and most grapefruit soda contains grapefruit juice.

          Source: my mother is specifically forbidden from consuming ANY grapefruit products due to her medication.

  12. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    November 22, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    Obey Your Thirst!

  13. Cheshrin
    Cheshrin
    November 22, 2022 at 12:06 am | #

    I worry that’s not an effective long term solution but the past 12 hours have been the most Joyce has smiled all in-universe week so we’re gonna let her have this one for a bit.

  14. Nono
    Nono
    November 22, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    Oh man, I can’t even imagine drinking 2 liters of Sprite in one sitting now.

    • J. Gawain
      J. Gawain
      November 22, 2022 at 9:12 am | #

      yea…2 liters of anything in one sitting is beyond me anymore.

  15. nobodybasically
    nobodybasically
    November 22, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    I actually did an anxiety outpatient program to help with swallowing pills, which taught me to practice with tic tacs and it worked. …but I have since backslid and now I have problem even swallowing liquids if there’s also a pill in my mouth.

    Anyone got any advice?

    • Raja
      Raja
      November 22, 2022 at 12:10 am | #

      take it with some peanutbutter? just a little, so no chew, but brain thinks FOOD instead of pill

    • Rose by Any Other Name
      Rose by Any Other Name
      November 22, 2022 at 12:12 am | #

      When I was a kid, I practiced by swallowing grapes whole. After that, pills weren’t nothin.

      I never got used to the ‘washing the pill down’ thing – that always made me choke. Better to take a drink for moisture, then take the pill ‘dry’, swallow it, and then take a drink afterwards to remove any taste/residue and to ensure the pill went all the way down.

      • Rose by Any Other Name
        Rose by Any Other Name
        November 22, 2022 at 12:18 am | #

        … and now, that moment of reflection when you realize that swallowing whole grapes may be when/how you lost your gag reflex.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          November 22, 2022 at 12:21 am | #

          Is it possible to learn this power?

        • milu
          milu
          November 22, 2022 at 6:55 am | #

          I’m a massive swallower when it comes to fruit stones, i will cheerfully gulp down cherry and olive pits, apricot stones even. Also a habit i picked up as a child for whatever reason. However i still very much have a gag reflex. Sadly.

      • Some1
        Some1
        November 22, 2022 at 12:45 am | #

        I just want to say that I’m capable of easily swallowing upwards of four pills at once without any water.

        • Decidedly Orthogonal
          Decidedly Orthogonal
          November 22, 2022 at 12:53 am | #

          We are not alone.

        • ischemgeek
          ischemgeek
          November 22, 2022 at 6:15 am | #

          Likewise. I was chronically ill with brittle asthma as a kid so I got a lot of practice. I started swallowing pills at 4 because one of the meds they had me on didn’t come in liquid form, about a year later I decided I preferred it that way because by then I associated banana flavor with feeling sick. So from 5 on I took all my meds in pill form.

          Super glad my asthma got less severe as I got older.

    • Cass
      Cass
      November 22, 2022 at 12:35 am | #

      Have you tried holding the liquid in your mouth first and dropping the pill into it and swallowing instead of having the pill in your mouth then taking the drink?

      • stacyswirl
        stacyswirl
        November 22, 2022 at 8:17 am | #

        That’s exaclty what I do, to avoid the pill sticking to my tongue and leaving its nasty taste behind.

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      November 22, 2022 at 1:14 am | #

      Is it a type of pill that still works the same if you sprinkle it over applesauce? (Sometimes it says so on the label; otherwise your pharmacist should know.)

    • Gandalf007
      Gandalf007
      November 22, 2022 at 3:48 am | #

      As someone who had this problem growing up, and then the first time I had a cold in college, took about 5 minutes and some near-gagging to get a Sudafed down, I feel your pain.

      What works for me now:
      – Pop pill in mouth, near the front. Not too far back or that’s more likely to trigger my gag reflex.
      – Take a swig of water, not too much.
      – Swallow the whole thing like you’re just drinking water. (Easier with smaller pills, of course.)
      – Drink more to wash it down, if needed.

      Good luck!

    • Miri
      Miri
      November 22, 2022 at 5:15 am | #

      I broke my leg when I was almost 13 and was being given little cups of tablets to swallow at a time. So went from choking down/spitting out/gagging while swallowing paracetamol to managing to knock them back simply coz of the volume of practice I was getting…

      My current technique is: prep glass of water. Load front of tongue with pills then quickly flip-launch pills towards throat whilst grabbing the glass then chugging. I’m swallowing taking 9 tablets of an evening presently.

      • snakerbot
        snakerbot
        November 22, 2022 at 8:26 am | #

        Yeah, swallowing pills isn’t something I would typically associate with getting easier with practice, but my forever quest to find the right combination of meds for my various conditions has led to me being able to swallow quite large capsules with little issue now.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 22, 2022 at 7:30 am | #

      Swig of water, pop the pill in, swig of water, gulp the whole mouthful down before it has time to register.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        November 22, 2022 at 8:13 am | #

        I mean literally pop the pill in. Hold it in the palm of your hand, take some water, then tilt your head back and slap your open mouth with the hand that has the pill on it. Don’t hold the pill in your fingers and place it in your mouth, that’s too deliberate. You’re trying to get it done and over with before the other half of your brain freaks out.

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      November 22, 2022 at 3:11 pm | #

      I am on So Many Pills since the wreck and getting old. Seriously my bedtime meds have like 5 pills to swallow whole, and one that has to dissolve. Part of the problem is because of how much I weigh I have to take a lot of some of the meds, and they don’t make the pills that high of dosage. But for me it’s never been an issue even swallowing the big capsules, just throw ’em all in my mouth and wash them down with a drinkable liquid. I think my record is 12 or 14 pills covering 4 meds, but that was a long time ago.

  16. Kyrik Michalowski
    Kyrik Michalowski
    November 22, 2022 at 12:07 am | #

    I agree that Joyce needs help but more importantly, I need some m&m minis in my life. I live in the middle of nowhere, so our stores don’t seem to carry them.

  17. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    November 22, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

    … drinking a 2 liter of sprite every day might introduce its own problems.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 22, 2022 at 7:32 am | #

      Yeah, have you seen how much that stuff costs now, when it’s not on sale?!

  18. shrub
    shrub
    November 22, 2022 at 12:09 am | #

    So if Jennifer suggests Joyce cuts back on the amount of Sprite (hopefully its diet sprite) she uses for the pills over time to a reasonable amount then this storyline is over and we can go back to Jo-Joe storylines?

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      November 22, 2022 at 12:52 am | #

      Walky updates, Danny and Joe updates, the new Axis of Evil updates, Emothan, Boosterism, Boostersisterism, … …

  19. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    November 22, 2022 at 12:11 am | #

    Mini M&Ms rock.

    Was it Becky who suggested the M&Ms or Becky? Either way, glad Joyce is crediting them for it and showing she was listening, even in her grumpy days.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      November 22, 2022 at 12:17 am | #

      Of the two, I’m pretty sure Becky suggested it

      • Cerusee
        Cerusee
        November 22, 2022 at 12:39 am | #

        I think it was actually Becky.

    • Cerusee
      Cerusee
      November 22, 2022 at 12:31 am | #

      It was Becky. Wait, no, sorry, it WAS Becky.

  20. Caro
    Caro
    November 22, 2022 at 12:15 am | #

    aww, middle name.

  21. Derek
    Derek
    November 22, 2022 at 12:16 am | #

    I’m glad Joyce found a solution but she should ask her pharmacist if these are the types of pills that can/should be dissolved in water (or carbonated sugary soda) and still maintain their effectiveness

    • Blume
      Blume
      November 22, 2022 at 12:52 am | #

      As of right now, they’re not the real deal yet I don’t think. But yeah she should ask.

    • Leorale
      Leorale
      November 22, 2022 at 1:20 am | #

      In real life I agree. However this is the same universe as Integrivact, the antidepressant that works in like two days flat, so I figure they have slightly different meds that will best fit what’s interesting for us to see. : )

      • Smallmoon
        Smallmoon
        November 22, 2022 at 12:32 pm | #

        Silly question… Is that ACTUALLY what Ruth’s current anti-depression meds are called? was that in a Patreon post or something?

        • Tan
          Tan
          November 22, 2022 at 3:01 pm | #

          It’s what her FIRST anti-depression meds were called, per the hovertext of https://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/03-sometimes-the-sky-was-so-far-away/voiceover/ (also referenced in a later hovertext when she mentioned new meds “Oh no what went wrong with Integrivact??”)

  22. UrsulaDavina
    UrsulaDavina
    November 22, 2022 at 12:16 am | #

    I mean its sort of progress?

  23. Taffy
    Taffy
    November 22, 2022 at 12:20 am | #

    Homeopathic birth control? Modern problems require modern solutions.

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      November 22, 2022 at 12:49 am | #

      Yikes no! Never mind the lumacy of the theory itself, but Joyce wants to control her severe period, not sterilize herself.

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        November 22, 2022 at 1:04 am | #

        Wait, is homeopathy not the one where idiots put a tiny pill in a massive jug of water and swear it’s more effective? I was trying to play off the 2-liter bottle angle but I can never remember the word for the scam I’m thinking of and homeopathy came up when I searched for it. Hard to Google a word ya can’t remember, sometimes. Sorry if I said something rude there.

        • bemisawa
          bemisawa
          November 22, 2022 at 1:18 am | #

          Yes, that’s the one. Yeah, I doubt “water which has, at the most charitable, the memory of something which is supposedly medicinal” would cause sterilization, but then again, DO may have been referring to how unregulated a lot of questionable supplements can be. But, if a supplement was actually created in accordance with the (BS) principles of homeopathy,

          Homeopathy: even a lot of people who might otherwise be open to alternative treatments / woo think it’s BS.

          • Daibhid C
            Daibhid C
            November 22, 2022 at 4:04 am | #

            I believe it was Terry Pratchett who said that if you really believe water contains the memory of things that have been in it, and you think about this for more than five seconds, you will never drink water again.

            • Agemegos
              Agemegos
              November 22, 2022 at 4:38 am | #

              Tim Minchin said something of the sort in his excellent nine-minute beat poem Storm.

              • Agemegos
                Agemegos
                November 22, 2022 at 4:43 am | #

                “A jazz-backed nine-minute beat poem about critical thinking.”

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              November 22, 2022 at 10:02 pm | #

              I though that was Olaf the Snowman.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          November 22, 2022 at 8:49 am | #

          You’re basically right, except that you’ve got the scale wrong.
          Proper dilution in homeopathy might involve dissolving the pill in the bottle, then dumping it out and filling it with soda again.
          Then you’d drink a teaspoonful as your medication.

          For all practical purposes, homeopathic remedies are water. Which does at the least make them less dangerous.

          • Roborat
            Roborat
            November 22, 2022 at 4:08 pm | #

            Correction, homeopathic remedies are very expensive water.

          • Joy
            Joy
            November 22, 2022 at 6:27 pm | #

            Some medications are potent enough for this to actually make sense. :/

            Facetious example: cocaine.

          • Uly
            Uly
            November 23, 2022 at 12:03 am | #

            Maybe we should convince them that vaccines are homeopathic. See, you take the essence of the disease, and then dilute it a whole bunch….

  24. BBCC
    BBCC
    November 22, 2022 at 12:22 am | #

    Wake up, babes, new middle name from the Walkyverse just dropped! (Her’s was Nicole there).

    I’m just hoping that taking her pills like that won’t dilute the effectiveness.

  25. Francoinblanco
    Francoinblanco
    November 22, 2022 at 12:23 am | #

    chugga chugga two two, all aboard sugar train chugga chugga two two

  26. Bryy
    Bryy
    November 22, 2022 at 12:24 am | #

    Jesus Christ the commitment here.

  27. Cerusee
    Cerusee
    November 22, 2022 at 12:38 am | #

    I kinda feel like regular M&Ms would have been the natural level up from mini M&Ms, instead of going straight to peanut M&Ms. Peanut M&Ms ARE the best M&Ms, though, so I can understand Joyce here. (You know what’s the very best M&M, though? A peanut M&M with *no peanut in it*. I cannot explain this. It’s just a special kind of magic that no ordinary M&M can deliver.)

    Also! I’m so proud of Joyce! Yeah she does still need some assist on this, but she is TRYING and she is DIYing. Good for her!

    • Roborat
      Roborat
      November 22, 2022 at 4:16 pm | #

      Dark chocolate M&Ms are the best, but they are very difficult to find.

  28. The Oracle
    The Oracle
    November 22, 2022 at 12:40 am | #

    I still don’t understand why her friends are convinced she needs the Power Rangers to assemble over this pill thing.

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      November 22, 2022 at 12:48 am | #

      Joyce has a history of having issues consuming food items, combined with her reticence to even get her pills in the first place. Given she downed a months worth of sugar to take just one pill, she clearly *is* still having issues with it.

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        November 22, 2022 at 12:59 am | #

        While her sprite solution isn’t perfect it still shows she’s on the path to improving her independence.

        • eh, whatever
          eh, whatever
          November 22, 2022 at 6:09 am | #

          “Solution” in both senses!

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      November 22, 2022 at 12:54 am | #

      With Becky in particular there’s a possessive streak where she wants to be the most involved in every aspect of Joyce’s life ( like when they were kids) and Dorothy has been going along with Becky’s rivalry for Joyce’s attention lately along with her own tendency to try to fix her friends. I would say there is definatly some desire to keep Joyce as the dependent friend they are used to helping.

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      November 22, 2022 at 3:55 am | #

      Roz covered it in her brief appearance in this storyline. Consistency’s actually really important in birth control. Maybe it’ll be less important for the sake of regulating her hormones, but for actual birth control, the difference in effectiveness between consistently timed pill use versus erratic is actually significant.

      Which is all to say, Joyce’s usual hangups could cause her actual harm here if she needs the pill to work and it just does not function as she expects it to, so she needs to work through this.

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        November 22, 2022 at 6:53 am | #

        Joyce doesn’t need the pill to work for her intended use ( pain reduction) straight away and she has just indicated sucess with taking her first one by herself so it’s a little early to call her schedule erratic.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          November 22, 2022 at 11:41 am | #

          Weren’t people jabbering about how it was 3,000,00% vital for Joyce to take the placebos right now now now now now, or else she’d be Lost Forever to the blackened tides of Hussypill Purgatory? I swear there was a whole “discussion” over how Joyce had this mystical window of opportunity with some placebos that was vital to her real pills’ effectiveness.

          • Mark
            Mark
            November 22, 2022 at 6:21 pm | #

            The month’s worth of pills are each a different dose, and need to be synchronized with the patient’s natural hormone levels or they won’t work as well as they should. And I can see how suddenly jumping to a high dose in the middle of the sequence could be bad too. So, yes, you do have to start at a particular place in the sequence at a particular time in your cycle, or wait til the next period. Consider that it isn’t going to help until the next period (or two) after you start, and there are strong reasons to start when the doctor tells you to.

            Granted: you may have strong reasons not to start right this second but it’s worth comparing the costs.

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              November 22, 2022 at 9:25 pm | #

              Okay but the dose on a placebo is nothing, that’s the entire point of a placebo. The current cost is nothing. Whatever level the real pills are at, that’s the dose that actually matters, because it’s an actual dose. She may as well be taking Mike & Ikes at this particular stage. I’m not talking about the actual pills, those were allegedly meant to come later anyway. Damn.

              • Taffy
                Taffy
                November 22, 2022 at 9:34 pm | #

                “Since you’re currently on your period, the first few are placebos, to help you learn your schedule”

                pla·ce·bo
                /pləˈsēbō/
                noun
                a harmless pill, medicine, or procedure prescribed more for the psychological benefit to the patient than for any physiological effect.

                a substance that has no therapeutic effect, used as a control in testing new drugs.

                In other words, not as urgent as everyone is pretending. I don’t care how helpful the real pills are, it’s explicitly not what she’s meant to be taking right now. Mike. And. Ikes.

                • Taffy
                  Taffy
                  November 22, 2022 at 9:35 pm | #

                  fucking html

                • The Oracle
                  The Oracle
                  November 22, 2022 at 9:40 pm | #

                  https://www.dumbingofage.com/2022/comic/book-13/01-bring-me-to-life-drawing/coat/

                  This one? URL has a slash on the end, or maybe you forgot the closing “.

      • The Oracle
        The Oracle
        November 22, 2022 at 11:38 am | #

        Roz has nothing to do with this, unless Becky or Dorothy ropes her in as well. Joyce has never demonstrated that she needs four people to help her take her meds. What, are they gonna surround her at all times squawking “PILLS PILLS PILLS” for an indeterminate amount of time until they decide she can handle her own mouth? What’s the benefit of having so many people constantly badgering her about this, aside from annoying her into doing some “hide the pill so dum dum doesn’t know it’s medicine” bullshit? Why can’t it just be on her terms instead of every single person she’s ever met going in on her, is what I’m asking.

        Maybe I’m the weird one for it, but the way everyone is approaching this would be extremely overwhelming and stressful.

        • anonymsly
          anonymsly
          November 22, 2022 at 6:50 pm | #

          It’s not just you, I’d have gone into shutdown immediately after it started. No one would get any response out of me until the harassed feeling went away.

          • The Oracle
            The Oracle
            November 22, 2022 at 9:38 pm | #

            It’s really weird how it’s being treated as a Good Thing by some folks. I guess they don’t understand what it’s like.

  29. EpochFlame
    EpochFlame
    November 22, 2022 at 12:45 am | #

    she’s trying

  30. Adam Black
    Adam Black
    November 22, 2022 at 1:03 am | #

    Wondering how much this storlyline is autobiographical

    • Adam Black
      Adam Black
      November 22, 2022 at 1:04 am | #

      Is there a Lost Roomies vesion of this storyline where Joe Force feeds Danny M&Ms ?

    • Plaaaa
      Plaaaa
      November 22, 2022 at 6:04 am | #

      What’s the male equivalent of birth control pills to prevent a painful menstruation?

      • Carms
        Carms
        November 22, 2022 at 7:09 am | #

        Idk hair loss medication?

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        November 22, 2022 at 11:52 am | #

        There isn’t one. Going by the outdated and rudimentary binary sex system, “males” don’t have the equipment for menstruation. There’s really nothing even similar for most folks born with the ol’ twig and berries, because we don’t have the organ that stores babies in it for the winter, so none of those processes really apply.

        Maybe that’s an irreverent way of putting it, but oh well.

      • Opus the Poet
        Opus the Poet
        November 22, 2022 at 3:26 pm | #

        Testosterone salve for HRT for meds that deplete the hormone as a side-effect. I was on spiro for my blood pressure for about 6 months and I was prescribed the testosterone creme after a couple of months, continued for like 4 or 5 months after I was taken off the spiro. I was testing another med for interaction with spiro, and it did, they took me of both as soon as interactions were verified. I think they were testing some cholesterol drug for people who couldn’t take statins or high doses of B12.

  31. Bicycle Bill
    Bicycle Bill
    November 22, 2022 at 1:08 am | #

    The ‘swallow’ reflex is involuntary and is hard-wired into us.  I seriously cannot visualize someone who has that much resistance to taking a pill — even one of THOSE kind of pills — that they need to practice with M&Ms.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      November 22, 2022 at 1:14 am | #

      It’s astonishing how much stuff we’ve got hard wired into us that just… goes right out the window when the brain is at war with itself.

    • Dustfeather
      Dustfeather
      November 22, 2022 at 3:17 am | #

      Some of us have overly strong gag reflexes. Tablets are a struggle 😅

    • Mark
      Mark
      November 22, 2022 at 7:15 am | #

      I think there’s a countervailing reflex to *avoid* swallowing hard things e.g. small bones or stones.

    • Charlotte
      Charlotte
      November 22, 2022 at 8:54 am | #

      Very realistic. The first time I remember taking antibiotics in pill form (small), I coughed them back out all the way across the pharmacy, and I was already a teenager. I had trouble with even relatively small pills until I was almost 18.
      By now I can swallow even pretty large pills, but that took a lot of practice. I have a really strong gag reflex, and I’m sure that’s a factor.

      The only thing that’s a bit unrealistic is that birth control is very small, so you definitely wouldn’t need peanut M&Ms to practise.

  32. Nevermaker
    Nevermaker
    November 22, 2022 at 1:10 am | #

    I mean, at least she’s taking them?

  33. Karishi
    Karishi
    November 22, 2022 at 1:12 am | #

    I’ve always held that Minis have an unacceptable coating-to-filling ratio. Terrible candy.

    • TCS
      TCS
      November 22, 2022 at 1:38 am | #

      Worse on their own but far superior when mixed into ice cream or milkshakes.

    • Mark
      Mark
      November 22, 2022 at 6:26 pm | #

      Oh, they’re decent candy, if you wanted sugar candy, but they’re not a good source of chocolate, which is the reason one eats M&Ms.

  34. TCS
    TCS
    November 22, 2022 at 1:38 am | #

    I assume “regular style” means biting it in half without going through the peanut, eating that half of the chocolate, then eating the peanut, then eating the rest of the chocolate.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 22, 2022 at 7:44 am | #

      I figured that meant chewing them, instead of swallowing them whole (if they’re supposed to be practice pills).

  35. StClair
    StClair
    November 22, 2022 at 2:55 am | #

    She’s working up to the bowl of Cadbury eggs.

  36. Mr.Morningstar
    Mr.Morningstar
    November 22, 2022 at 3:04 am | #

    Hey if it works!

  37. River
    River
    November 22, 2022 at 3:30 am | #

    My comment is in moderation

    • River
      River
      November 22, 2022 at 3:31 am | #

      That is the FIRST one I have ever posted that did not go into moderation and was never seen again — figures.

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        November 22, 2022 at 11:55 am | #

        Use less slurs, maybe. That whole screed you wrote about horses and their place in the human reproductive chain was probably part of it as well.

        I don’t know why I’m libeling you, congrats on escaping Moderation Jail.

  38. River
    River
    November 22, 2022 at 3:33 am | #

    So while I am here and can actually comment, all she needs to do is fill that bottle up with water each day. That way her mind still says “Sprite” and off she goes! At least that is often how my own autistic brain functions.

  39. Kimi
    Kimi
    November 22, 2022 at 3:35 am | #

    I always found carbonated drinks help me to take pills because of the bubbles. You have to be careful that the meds don’t dissolve in it though.

    • Daibhid C
      Daibhid C
      November 22, 2022 at 4:01 am | #

      But … but if they do<, that’s still fine because the active ingredients are still in there somewhere, right?

      Just checking for no particular reason…

      • Seralyna
        Seralyna
        November 22, 2022 at 5:02 am | #

        If the pills dissolve before they hit your stomach, it can be a problem, but i’m reasonably sure that they should get there like, essentially instantly and probably it’ll work out in that case.

        At the very least, i’ve taken A Lot of my estrogen pills with soda just because it was the drink i’ve had on hand and they definitley were working

      • Axel
        Axel
        November 22, 2022 at 6:09 pm | #

        Pills (and tablets and liquids like cough medicine) are formulated for different kinds of release (quick/immediate, or gradual throughout the day, or delayed release, etc), so it can make a difference, especially if you need the medication to stay in your system longer

  40. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    November 22, 2022 at 4:23 am | #

    An entire 2 litter bottle of Sprite??

    1- Aha, metric system!
    2- Gladly Joyce knows how to throw up, right? Because she needs to do that like right now!

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      November 22, 2022 at 7:42 am | #

      Carbonated beverages are inexplicably the exception to ‘Merica’s Metric phobia.

  41. Heather
    Heather
    November 22, 2022 at 5:18 am | #

    Doing that everyday means that triangular smile shall become pretty discoloured Joyce.

  42. Plaaaa
    Plaaaa
    November 22, 2022 at 6:02 am | #

    OMG! Joyce is ok with food touching now!

  43. Alyssa
    Alyssa
    November 22, 2022 at 6:49 am | #

    IDK, maybe she can slip the pill into a handful of peanut m&ms in the future. It might work if she can tolerate the knowledge that one of the items is not like the others.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      November 22, 2022 at 8:53 am | #

      That’s not going to work well if she chews the m&ms.

  44. Carms
    Carms
    November 22, 2022 at 7:10 am | #

    Mini mnms are the best. Like eating little bugs.

  45. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    November 22, 2022 at 7:12 am | #

    Jennifer is right, but that’s still a huge achievement made to Joyce all by herself. Knowing that Joe likes her is definitely motivating Joyce to change more and more.

    • Blume
      Blume
      November 22, 2022 at 8:55 am | #

      Yeah! So proud. Sure, she has trouble with these thing, but SHE DID IT! Before anyone needed to say anything too! Luckily the pills aren’t legit yet I believe, so she can practice until the real thing. Win win win!

  46. Needfuldoer
    Needfuldoer
    November 22, 2022 at 7:40 am | #

    An entire bag of M&Ms and two liters of Sprite?

    She’s going to be bouncing off the walls today! Maybe even Walky won’t be able to keep up.

  47. ValdVin
    ValdVin
    November 22, 2022 at 7:45 am | #

    I take a number of pulls without the help of water, but peanut M&Ms are sorta large to swallow whole, aren’t they?

    • Charlotte
      Charlotte
      November 22, 2022 at 8:45 am | #

      No, it depends on how practiced a pill taker you are. There is actual medication that size and bigger. I think I could do it by now (with water, not dry), but it wouldn’t be pleasant.

      But its extremely weird in this context, because every birth control pill I’ve ever seen is actually very small. That doesn’t mean it’s not still really hard to take if you aren’t used to it, but small M&Ms to practise would be totally adequate.

  48. Needfuldoer
    Needfuldoer
    November 22, 2022 at 7:49 am | #

    Becky’s tagged now!

    But still not tagged yesterday…

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      November 22, 2022 at 1:27 pm | #

      I see her tagged yesterday now, on my system.

  49. Adept
    Adept
    November 22, 2022 at 10:24 am | #

    I’m disturbed about the idea of anybody drinking a whole 2 liter bottle of sprite, let alone a physically small person like Joyce.

    I’m also surprised to hear it’s a 2 liter bottle, rather than some imperial unit nonsense.

    • Dana
      Dana
      November 22, 2022 at 11:17 am | #

      Two liter pop bottles are how we Americans know what a liter is. That or science class.

      • HoopsieDaisy
        HoopsieDaisy
        November 22, 2022 at 11:56 am | #

        We still doing science class in America? I hope so, but my gut hasn’t been so optimistic.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        November 22, 2022 at 1:21 pm | #

        Don’t forget engine displacement. If it’s not an old muscle car or a Harley, it’s measured in liters.

        • Opus the Poet
          Opus the Poet
          November 22, 2022 at 3:33 pm | #

          Standard GM pickup or SUV engine has been a 5.3 liter variant of the LS or LT engine family since 2001.

          • Needfuldoer
            Needfuldoer
            November 22, 2022 at 6:00 pm | #

            Still much newer than the legendary numbers engines. 302, 305, 318, 350, 440, 454…

  50. temperaryobsessor
    temperaryobsessor
    November 22, 2022 at 11:16 am | #

    When I was younger I is when I eat food normally there are pieces I swallow bigger than pills. So I might try to replicate that.
    One thing I might do is grab a bag of peanut M&Ms put the pill in my mouth grab a handfull of M&Ms chew them and then try to swallow the pill with them.
    Before that I would just chew the pills chewable or not.

  51. HoopsieDaisy
    HoopsieDaisy
    November 22, 2022 at 11:55 am | #

    I’m impressed she can still find mini M&Ms.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      November 22, 2022 at 12:51 pm | #

      They’re not exactly rare, at least in the Midwest. Walmart sells them right next to all the other candies.

  52. Mr. 2
    Mr. 2
    November 22, 2022 at 12:10 pm | #

    What are the chances the pill is stuck to the inside of the sprite bottle?

    • Grayfinity
      Grayfinity
      November 22, 2022 at 9:20 pm | #

      Eh, I’d say 70%.

      I remember learning to take ibuprofen. Non-carbonated drinks work best, IMO, because you’re not drinking a big gulp of BURNING SODA.

      She’ll get there. Slowly.

  53. thumb
    thumb
    November 22, 2022 at 1:11 pm | #

    I wonder if it’s a confidence thing. If her time with Joe made her feel that she might be weird, but she’s not a weirdo. She’s not defined by being abnormal. She can do the things that anyone else can. Even if it takes some help.

    Or I’m projecting. Gotta be one of the two.

  54. michaelinasmeal
    michaelinasmeal
    November 22, 2022 at 4:53 pm | #

    in b4 shes been taking the pills wrong, does the hanky panky with joe after many heartfelt talks, and becomes a mom.

  55. crow
    crow
    November 22, 2022 at 5:40 pm | #

    Was part of Joyce’s pain just due to not being able to take tylenol?

  56. Wendy
    Wendy
    November 22, 2022 at 7:37 pm | #

    M&Ms minis are the BEST M&Ms, in my humble and totally objectively correct and right opinion.

    • The Wellerman
      The Wellerman
      November 22, 2022 at 10:05 pm | #

      Yeah!!! More surface area for the coating and it’s unique flavor! 😋

  57. Alex
    Alex
    November 22, 2022 at 10:13 pm | #

    I don’t really care for m&ms unless they’re the peanut kind.

  58. darkoneko
    darkoneko
    November 22, 2022 at 11:55 pm | #

    great now I crave M&Ms

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tastefully cropped art of joe and joyce discovering the joys of fingers
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 4h
I may have to pin this
damnyouwillis.bsky.social's user avatarDavid M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
btw if you're one of those rando bluesky weirdos who doesn't know me but sees me in the wild being sarcastic and don't know i'm being sarcastic because you haven't taken like 30 seconds to, like, maybe look at my user profile or something, keep walking, you're not going to score internet points here
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 13h
#relatable
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a man in a hospital gown says " stop pooping " to another man
ALT: a man in a hospital gown says " stop pooping " to another man
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OSMOTE @osmote.net ⋅ 20h
Screenshot of Jonathan Frakes on the set of Beyond Belief
brendelbored.bsky.social's user avatarBrendel @brendelbored.bsky.social ⋅ 1y
Politico: Ever been slapped by breasts?
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Joshua J. Friedman @joshuajfriedman.com ⋅ 1d
Here's an entertaining cite at the bottom of the first page
The problems with this prosecution are legion, but most immediately, the
government cannot prosecute Judge Dugan because she is entitled to judicial immunity for her official acts. Immunity is not a defense to the prosecution to be determined later by a jury or court; it is an absolute bar to the prosecution at the outset. See Trump v. United States,
603 U.S. 593, 630 (2024).
joshgerstein.bsky.social's user avatarJosh Gerstein @joshgerstein.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
JUST IN: Milwaukee Judge Hannah Dugan moves to dismiss federal criminal case against her for allegedly helping immigrant hide from ICE. Her lawyers say she's protected by official acts & judicial immunity and 10th Amendment. Doc: storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.us...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 21h
Dumbing of Age: "Up, continued" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomic #webcomics
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Up, continued
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The Onion @theonion.com ⋅ 1d
Where did Hollywood go so wrong? I thought movies were supposed to be an escape from reality, a chance to put your worries aside and not have to think about any underlying ideas or concepts. Well, not anymore. theonion.com/you-can...
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You Can’t Even Watch A Movie Anymore Without Seeing Some Theme Explored
I’ve loved movies ever since I was a little kid. Just stepping into that dark theater, with the smell of fresh popcorn, was like being transported to a whole other world. It used to be so magical. But now I’m thinking about boycotting movies altogether. Why? Because I can’t seem to watch one anymore without […]
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
GOTTEM
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geoffrey @parsnip.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
the 90s were a wild time. if i told you how many magazines there were you wouldnt even believe me
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Aubrey Gilleran @aubreygilleran.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
It's not a new argument, of course, but Chesterton dismissed it effectively in 1908. "You will hear everlastingly... this argument that the rich man cannot be bribed. The fact is, of course, that the rich man is bribed; he has been bribed already. That is why he is a rich man."
atrupar.com's user avatarAaron Rupar @atrupar.com ⋅ 1d
Hawley dismisses Trump lining his pockets with his memecoin: "Listen, I think nobody believes that Donald Trump can be bought. I mean, what does Donald Trump need more money for?"
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Cat Manning @catacalypto.bsky.social ⋅ 10d
1984 calendar meme reading 1529, the year of the first Ottoman siege of Vienna
spavel.bsky.social's user avatarPavel🐀 @spavel.bsky.social ⋅ 10d
Who can forget the Swiss-Austrian Union, or its famous capital - Istanbul.
AI generated ad by a company called Travello showing the 10 most visited cities in Europe, except the cities are hilariously poorly placed. London is in Wales, Paris is in Ireland, Rome is in France, Rom (yes like Rome but without an E) is in Spain, Barcelona is in Morocco, Prague is in Germany, Vienna is in Italy, Istanbul is in Austria, Milan is in Libya, and Antalya is correctly shown as in Turkey but is in the wrong place. Also a few of the borders like Switzerland and Austria or Hungary and Slovenia are missing.
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
*at the very end of Andor, cassian travels through a vortex that makes everyone look a decade younger*
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
(May 14, 2026)
a bemused lucy watches as somebody collapses on her dorm room floor
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 1d
wilbur, savvy enough to know he's in a comic strip but still not a great actor, awkwardly lifts a muffin up into frame so that we, the audience, understand that he has a muffin right now, which is very important narratively, but he's not really selling it well as an organic, human action
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Dumbing of Age: "Up" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic #dofa
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Up
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
i mean i... guess there are people who want toy-accurate hyper-articulated original-toy-look guys but in cartoon colors for some reason
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Fuck you, Clayface!!!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
www.ebay.com/itm/23609982... selling my LG34 Mindwipe, minus Servant
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Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Transformers Generations TakaraTomy Legends LG34 Wipe (Mindwipe), incomplete at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many pro...
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 2d
Menace Level: up to date on his vaccinations
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Today in #9ChickweedLane I learned Gran is back from the grave so she can jerk it to furry porn with her daughter
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
www.ebay.com/itm/23609184... 5 hours left on my 4-jet titans return tidal wave
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Check out those stickers. They make him look pretty great, actually. That aircraft carrier mode shines. Tidal Wave is loose and incomplete! So there's only four (4) jets!
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
confirming that the reason there's been no Galaxy Version female characters in Blokees until now is that they felt they needed to make Round Lady Thighs For Ladies
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Dumbing of Age: "For you" www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/b... #webcomics #webcomic
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For you
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
y'know there's not an awful lot of rocketeering in The Rocketeer
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wint @dril.bsky.social ⋅ 4d
buddy you came to the wrong ass to fuck
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David M Willis! @damnyouwillis.bsky.social ⋅ 3d
Man if they were arresting judges then this'd be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard but thankfully that's not happening.
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