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Dumpin’

by David M Willis on June 15, 2023 at 12:01 am
  • 04 – But Don't Give Yourself Away
└ Tags: jennifer, joyce, lucy, sal, walky

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    June 15, 2023 at 12:02 am | #

    trading old awkward for new

    • Clif
      Clif
      June 15, 2023 at 8:13 am | #

      The only reason we have for doubting Jennifer’s analysis is that Jennifer is the one making it.

  2. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    June 15, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    Oh no, baseball terminology ! my only weakness

    • Angel
      Angel
      June 15, 2023 at 1:13 am | #

      i suppose you could take out the word ‘batting’ and it’d still be the same?

    • Mano308gts
      Mano308gts
      June 15, 2023 at 1:38 am | #

      Recognizing and being able to use appropriately the miscellaneous sports-based vernacular terms isn’t in my wheelhouse… XD

    • thakoru
      thakoru
      June 15, 2023 at 2:06 am | #

      I’m pretty sure batting average is just the percent of pitches to them that a player hits, but honestly I know about as much as you probably.

      • Skater Girl
        Skater Girl
        June 15, 2023 at 2:42 am | #

        Not just hit, hit and made it to at least first base.

        This is based on my extensive experience dating women who play sport while having no direct experience myself. I’m more an X-Games girl myself.

        • danimagoo
          danimagoo
          June 15, 2023 at 8:47 am | #

          Well…yes, but not percentage of pitches. Percentage of at-bats. Then we’d have to define at-bats, because not every plate appearance is an at-bat. And then we’d have to define plate appearance. Baseball is the sport for statistics nerds (like me). There’s a simpler way to understand the idiom, though. Substitute “success rate” for “batting average”. That’s all it means.

          • Gigafreak
            Gigafreak
            June 15, 2023 at 8:59 am | #

            On-Base Percentage, or OBP for short, is probably a more meaningful statistic anyway, to say nothing of OPS
            I wonder if the role of head cheerleader meant that Billie needed to familiarize herself with sports terminology so she’d know when the team did something impressive?

            • Liquid Len
              Liquid Len
              June 15, 2023 at 10:24 am | #

              I’m sure, but for (American) football, and maybe basketball? Baseball generally doesn’t have cheerleaders

              • Decidedly Orthogonal
                Decidedly Orthogonal
                June 15, 2023 at 1:24 pm | #

                Hot-dogs! Get yer red-hots! Hot-dogs!

    • milu
      milu
      June 15, 2023 at 6:15 am | #

      As an evolution nerd and Stephen Jay Gould stan i have had to learn about baseball and batting averages in particular to be able to read through his book “Full House” which is a fascinating essay studying and comparing both batting averages over the decades and trends in species diversity through geological time. It’s about… um… the philosophy of statistics? The ontology of averages? A plea for distributions? Boy this book is tough to, um, pitch.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 8:16 am | #

        Nah, you hit a home run.

        • milu
          milu
          June 15, 2023 at 10:05 am | #

          haha nerddd <3

          it's a great read, especially if you’re a baseball geek =P that section was fairly indulgent (but that’s fine, it’s SJG, he’s allowed <3) and after fastidiously getting the gist i skipped a good bit. i did gather that Joe DiMaggio was a statistical anomaly any way you looked at it?

          but the basic argument is simple, yet goes against a really ingrained bias: that we like to look at averages and think they are informative, but that they don't… exist. they're a mathematical artefact, useful in specific situations but really bad at describing many phenomena. they skew our perception and make us draw some bafflingly unearned conclusions, such as the idea that evolution has an innate tendency towards complexity, or larger sizes. a lot of theorizing has actually gone into explaining why this dubious fact may be occurring, when a more literate statistical analysis makes it clear that what evolution predicts is not any sort of special trend but simply an increase in diversity over time, and because most groups of life start small (for trivial reasons), the average size of the species in that group will slowly drift big-wards.

          so Gould insists, if we are to understand distributions, we need to give up the fetishization of averages and instead try, quite possibly in the face of hard-wired neural patterns, certainly cultural ones, to look at the history of life in terms of its overall diversity. the figure of the normal distribution (and its parameters of width, tail-length, and hard cut-offs corresponding to physical limits) is what we need to have in mind, not single-figure artifacts like averages and medians.

          he makes the case for batting averages and for trends in evolution, but shifting that perception can have profound consequences in many arenas of (the production of) knowledge.

          • Jim
            Jim
            June 15, 2023 at 2:31 pm | #

            It’s like that classic quote, I forget who said it, possibly Mark Twain,
            “There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

            • thakoru
              thakoru
              June 15, 2023 at 3:37 pm | #

              I think Mark Twain is the most famous person to have said it, but he was quoting someone else.

    • Librain
      Librain
      June 29, 2023 at 10:56 pm | #

      Ya know, it wasn’t until your comment that I realised they would be talking about baseball.

      What with batting averages also being a thing in cricket…

  3. Regalli
    Regalli
    June 15, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    I hope someone bothers to DIRECTLY warn Lucy what’s coming.

    • audkitten
      audkitten
      June 15, 2023 at 12:07 am | #

      Is it possible that even though Sal and Wally know how their mom is they also don’t want to admit to themselves how bad it is, and therefor it’s not registering why Lucy would be fourth?

      • Carms
        Carms
        June 15, 2023 at 12:19 am | #

        i think it’s in-group out-group stuff. being put in a position to need to apologise for your ingroup (and you always need to apologise for your ingroup) is unpleasant. ‘Mum’s racist and she’ll be shit to you but she’s not that bad, really, you know, she loves us…’. You Have to defend behaviour that isn’t really defensible, you Have to account for like, how you personally maintain a relationship even tho she’s gonna be Like That, and Dad’ll go along with it. you probably don’t HAVE to, but you feel like it. That’s family! That’s OUR horrible ditch witch and her dad-shaped familiar.

        • Kimi
          Kimi
          June 15, 2023 at 12:40 am | #

          I love the term “horrible ditch witch and her dad-shaped familiar”.

        • Tan
          Tan
          June 15, 2023 at 4:18 am | #

          Honestly, there’s an easy answer for defending their mom: Don’t. At all. Don’t defend it, don’t apologize for it, don’t excuse it. Lay it out for what it is like an oncologist giving a cancer patient their prognosis. It’s shitty, but it’s here, and here’s how we’re gonna try to deal with it.

          The real problem is defending their conclusion when on the surface it’s a “ridiculous” accusation. After all, she’s married to a black guy, and she’s so nice to Walky. “Obviously” it’s something else. That’s fucking exhausting. And Sal already had to go through it with her own brother (and who knows how many other times before with others). Gonna be Walky’s first time.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 15, 2023 at 7:36 am | #

          I don’t think either Walky or especially Sal are interested in defending her. As for maintaining a relationship – college and homelessness

      • Vanessa
        Vanessa
        June 15, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

        Sal knows. She said her mom has always liked Walky better because he came out whiter. Can Lucy pull her head out of the clouds long enough to figure this out? Surely she knows about practical things like colorism and racist bias. Her parents must have given her The Talk.

        • DailyBrad
          DailyBrad
          June 15, 2023 at 12:35 am | #

          Probably. I mean, black kids unfortunately don’t get to remain ignorant to that reality for long, and Lucy’s steeped in a lot of pop culture that has at least passingly acknowledged the subject of bigotry.

          I think the biggest issue she’s got here is that she probably is predisposed to wanting to give the Walkertons the benefit of the doubt, and they are unfortunately not wholly deserving of that grace.

          • Miri
            Miri
            June 15, 2023 at 4:33 am | #

            Also that bit where Mrs Walkerton married Mr Walkerton and had adorable kids with him! It’s the sort of thing that’s going to prime Lucy to assume that she’s not racist. Somebody suggested that maybe she fell accidentally pregnant and felt that she HAD to marry him; it doesn’t explain why she was seeing/sleeping with him in the first place (proving she wasn’t racist to somebody she wanted to impress?) but it is a hard thing to explain otherwise and also helps to explain the vitriol Sal felt from pretty much the moment she emerged “Blacker”…

            • Joy
              Joy
              June 15, 2023 at 1:01 pm | #

              I mean some people think that black people are hot but don’t respect them. Or like, “the good ones” happen to include her husband. Etc.

              • Joy
                Joy
                June 15, 2023 at 1:01 pm | #

                I meant to capitalize Black oops.

    • Amara
      Amara
      June 15, 2023 at 2:22 am | #

      Imo it might be more something along of a ‘form your own conclusions first from your interactions before we tell you things that’ll distort your perceptions and might cause you go read into things that aren’t exactly the way they might seem.’

    • Joy
      Joy
      June 15, 2023 at 1:03 pm | #

      I think that Lucy can figure it out from context clues and this is a really delicate subject as is?

  4. Kagimizu
    Kagimizu
    June 15, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    Oh hey, perfect timing.

    Now Joyce can trade notes with Sal and Walky regarding terrible parents.

    And class. That’s important too.

  5. TemporalShrew
    TemporalShrew
    June 15, 2023 at 12:04 am | #

    Walky has a point, Billie’s being insensitive about it. Billie has a point, there’s no malice toward anyone present in what she’s saying. Everyone has a point. Joyce, you have a point, too, where is that Asher guy? Walky needs someone to match with.

    • TemporalShrew
      TemporalShrew
      June 15, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

      Anyone present *currently*, I should clarify.

  6. NGPZ
    NGPZ
    June 15, 2023 at 12:04 am | #

    Yeah I know what you talkin about Jennifer, Linda such a racist bongo, probably mutters the N-word in her sleep 😤

    • True Survivor
      True Survivor
      June 15, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

      Unlikely, unless her husband has hearing problems. Of course, that may put a whole different kind of strain on the marriage:

      “She keeps muttering Tigger in her sleep. That bouncy bastard better hope I never manage to figure out where the 100-acre wood is.”

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 2:30 am | #

        Like Moms Mabley’s joke that, when she visited the South, everyone kept comparing her to Roy Rogers’s horse: “Hey, Trigger!”

    • UrsulaDavina
      UrsulaDavina
      June 15, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

      I think Linda’s racism is subconscious she probably thinks “I can’t be racist I have a husband and children who are people of colour” But she subconsciously engages in racist behavoir towards Sal and Lucy.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      June 15, 2023 at 12:37 am | #

      Made a comment this afternoon on yesterday’s comment that was probably missed. In response to someone else saying Jenifer had probably heard racial slurs from Linda.

      “I slightly disagree. I’m sure she’s heard a shit ton of racially charged microaggressions but I would put money on Linda not using racial slurs because that helps her delude herself into thinking she’s not racist.

      She wouldn’t use the N word because that would be racist but she’ll say out loud that the “urban” fashion someone is wearing makes him “look like a thug” and make sure that all her car doors are locked and windows rolled up when driving through a primarily black neighborhood.”

      And for now I’m standing by that. Microaggressions and dog whistles seem more her speed than blatant racial slurs.

      • Dante
        Dante
        June 15, 2023 at 12:42 am | #

        Oh, she’s literally said the thug thing, like. On page. I can’t remember the exact page but it was way back when Sal was little and Marcie had the accident.

        I agree with your assessment. Linda loves to think she’s a good person as much as Carol does.

        • asp55
          asp55
          June 15, 2023 at 1:11 am | #

          Well… “Hoodlum” but yeah, right vibe.

          Linda seems less concerned with being “a good person” and more with being “a good parent” but doesn’t spend a whole lot of time interrogating her own feelings & perceptions.

          Charles also has his own set of similar biases (”You[Sal] look so pretty when it’s [your hair] long and straight”)

    • zee
      zee
      June 15, 2023 at 12:02 pm | #

      …
      That just gave me a mental image of Linda sleeping with the classic cartoon snoring, honk shu honk shu, but instead of “mimimimimi” it’s just the hard r

  7. Laura
    Laura
    June 15, 2023 at 12:04 am | #

    Joyce seems remarkably cheery.

    • True Survivor
      True Survivor
      June 15, 2023 at 12:14 am | #

      Yeah, that is strange. Maybe she’s just happy she told her mother the truth without it turning into a giant fight?

      • Vanessa
        Vanessa
        June 15, 2023 at 12:24 am | #

        Could be! She must have been worried about this terrible secret she was keeping from her mother and now it’s all out there. Her atheism, her hatred of the church, no longer believing her mother is infallible and perfect and always right.

        • cbwroses
          cbwroses
          June 15, 2023 at 1:30 am | #

          Also, she probably appreciates Joe for his support.
          That was a decent couple moment in an unfamiliar, unexpected, and unromantic situation.

        • Derek
          Derek
          June 15, 2023 at 5:03 am | #

          unfortunately Joyce didn’t tell her mother about “her hatred of the church, no longer believing her mother is infallible and perfect and always right.” because they didn’t have a conversation at all, Carol walked away. Joyce’s new hatred of the church was IMPLIED, but given that Carol didn’t accept what was outright stated to her, she’s highly unlikely to think of the further implications about Joyce

          • McNitz
            McNitz
            June 15, 2023 at 8:15 am | #

            Still though, even being able to say what you are feeling and not have the world crash down around you, regardless of how much the other person actually accepted the truth of what you said, can be relieving.

      • Dara
        Dara
        June 15, 2023 at 12:31 am | #

        Maybe she’s happy mom is outta there?

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      June 15, 2023 at 1:49 am | #

      I think she is sidelining the whole “I’m homeless and have all this stuff cluttering up my room and my Mom is crazy” line of thought in favor of the “Joe is a wonderful guy who really loves me and supports me!”

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        June 15, 2023 at 5:17 am | #

        This thing about Joyce being homeless keeps coming up from different people. Did I miss the strip where Hank, Joyce’s father, disowned her and forbade her from living in his home that one would assume he has either rented or purchased with the money he makes a a dentist?

        Carol may be homeless if she’s crazy enough to have sold the home she got in the divorce without making prior arrangements but Joyce has a whole second parent who presumably found a place to live when his wife got the house in the divorce and there’s currently no reason to believe Joyce isn’t welcome at his place.

        • MM
          MM
          June 15, 2023 at 10:20 am | #

          Welcome, sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t have a whole lot of room for her.

          • zee
            zee
            June 15, 2023 at 12:08 pm | #

            Why not? Don’t you think he’d get a place big enough for the two of them? He knows his ex wife is crazy and that Joyce doesn’t want anything to do with her, and he never seemed like the type of parent to be like “welp you’re no longer my legal responsibility so go figure it out yourself or be homeless idc.”

        • David M Willis
          David M Willis
          June 15, 2023 at 10:20 am | #

          Joyce is actually negative homeless because both her parents have their own separate apartments, as that’s double the home versus before

      • Psi baka onna
        Psi baka onna
        June 15, 2023 at 7:16 am | #

        That and “I don’t want my many “mom” friends to worry about me so better pretend everything if ok or else they will force me to confront this scary new reality on their terms and not my own without even realising they’re doing it” in which case all I can say is “mood”.

        Honestly though, Becky’s gonna freak out & Dorothy will go full helper mode and that sounds super exhausting after just receiving the news yourself…

    • Laura
      Laura
      June 15, 2023 at 2:25 am | #

      Either that or she’s putting on a show to deflect any concerns.

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 2:26 am | #

        Gaah, this avatar! It makes everything I say come out smarmy!

        • NGPZ
          NGPZ
          June 15, 2023 at 2:36 am | #

          change the capitalization of your email to get a new avatar here! 😉

          • Laura
            Laura
            June 15, 2023 at 2:54 am | #

            Thanks!

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          June 15, 2023 at 2:37 am | #

          She’s putting in a show to deflect any concerns, ladies.

    • Pylgrim
      Pylgrim
      June 15, 2023 at 6:51 am | #

      Crappy mom left, hot bf stayed.

  8. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    June 15, 2023 at 12:04 am | #

    I think Jen gotta lot of hate yesterday for no reason. I like this strip cause she clearly wasn’t being intentionally hurtful.

    • pope suburban
      pope suburban
      June 15, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

      I agree, she seemed to be matter of fact about it. I didn’t register any approval of Linda, or glee at anyone’s discomfort. It’s just how Linda is, and Lucy deserves to know. It’s not a fun conversation, sure, but that’s not Jennifer’s fault.

      • Vanessa
        Vanessa
        June 15, 2023 at 12:25 am | #

        Jennifer could be a whole lot nicer about it though. It’s clear she doesn’t like Lucy one tiny bit.

        • BarerMender
          BarerMender
          June 15, 2023 at 3:00 am | #

          Me either.

        • Michael Chandra
          Michael Chandra
          June 15, 2023 at 3:11 am | #

          Yeah she is bashing on the others while deliberately being vague in a hurtful manner herself. If she actually was a semi-decent person, she’d go ‘look, the point is, their mom is racist and she even judges her own kids based on how black they are, so she’s going to hate you and hate Walky for dating you’. Not this whole ‘oh I’m not doing this to be mean’ nonsense while leaving Lucy in the dark. It’s just pretending to be a decent person while still lashing out and hurting people.

          • AlexaSpuds
            AlexaSpuds
            June 15, 2023 at 5:22 am | #

            Linda is not Jennifer’s family, she’s their’s, they (mostly wally) should be the ones to tell her the truth, because she might not believe it coming from someone outside the family, and also because having an outsider shit talk your family instead of you telling the truth about it is also not very comfortable for others and feels very gossip-y.

            • Mark
              Mark
              June 15, 2023 at 7:14 am | #

              And it’s entirely plausible that Jennifer is doing this to get Sal and Walky to do the straight talk with Lucy, because it would be best and most helpful if it comes from them. She’s doing it somewhat abrasively because she’s Jennifer.

    • Essex
      Essex
      June 15, 2023 at 12:36 am | #

      you dont need to be trying to hurt someone to be hurtful. i agree that she wasnt trying to be hurtful (mostly) but she was still horrible in how she went about it.

      • Sirksome
        Sirksome
        June 15, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

        I’m real confused on where this expectation for Jennifer to be nice to Walky and Lucy comes from? Or why she’s considered rude here. We can’t pretend Walky doesn’t act the same way to her. Maybe Lucy deserved a bit of a gentler conversation but then Walky should be the one warning her instead of Jen. This feels like a double standard.

        • cbwroses
          cbwroses
          June 15, 2023 at 1:29 am | #

          Oh yes we can, because he doesn’t act the same way.
          The issue in difference isn’t rudeness.
          It’s hurtfulness.
          Walky almost never purposely hurts people, and I can’t think of a moment off the top of my head where he purposely tried to hurt Jennifer.
          Jennifer has purposely tried to hurt Walky multiple times during the series.

          As for Walky warning Lucy, he has warned her twice now that this lunch will not be cool.
          Should he be more upfront about it?
          Sure.
          But Billy is also not being upfront about it, so she’s not warning Lucy any better while adding the potential hurt to it.
          Even Sal, who is the most blunt about this topic, isn’t outright saying it.
          None of them want those words spoken into the ether.

          • Miri
            Miri
            June 15, 2023 at 4:53 am | #

            Sal and Jennifer have experienced racial prejudice (for being half-Black and Asian/part-Asian respectively – she seems to identify as being Asian, was at least partially surprised Ruth’s grandfather didn’t target that about her for criticism, but she acknowledges otherwise she’s reasonably white-passing). They know how much it sucks. Acknowledging that somebody who is supposed to be a figure of love and support can cut people down like that is probably kinda painful.

            And Walky… Hates confrontation. Is still working on being better at standing up for his sister to his parents. KNOWS his mother’s love is conditional. Finds it hard to talk about emotions… Saying the words aloud to an emoter like Lucy who will react, and be shocked, and then hurt and outraged, and make him actually address how he feels about all this..? Where someone like Dorothy would sense he was out of his comfort zone and step back (then probably journal about it to process her own emotions), I think Lucy would (Joyce-like) obliviously smash through all the barriers he’s put up so he can keep on functioning in the here and now and unwittingly really hurt him. (Some of those barriers might be restricting him and unhealthy long-term, like his dependency on his mother’s approval, but they’re kinda still his to work through in his own time.)

          • AlexaSpuds
            AlexaSpuds
            June 15, 2023 at 5:28 am | #

            y’all are giving walky the same treatment sal complains her parents give to him, but here he’s a golden boy not cuz of skin color but because when he’s being a dick he’s funny about it, or funny to us at least, cuz if I got told dickish shit, I’d be more pissed if he was trying to make it funny cuz that’s just pouring salt in a wound you just opened.

            he’s not a baby, stop treating him with softer kid gloves than any other person in these comics

            • cbwroses
              cbwroses
              June 15, 2023 at 9:12 am | #

              Nah.
              Motive matters.
              If you have two jerks and one of them means to be hurtful and the other doesn’t, you can acknowledge both are jerks while also acknowledging that the jerkiness is not the same.
              Delivery matters, too.
              And in this particular instance, on this particular subject, Walky isn’t being a dick or making a joke.
              But Jennifer is still coming off as hurtful in Walky’s opinion and a number of commenters.
              So what you’re claiming as me babying him isn’t even a factor in this strip, and instead comes off as a general complaint about Walky vs an observation about this specific situation.

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              June 15, 2023 at 7:45 pm | #

              He’s never gonna see this alleged kid glove treatment anyway, so people may as well treat him however. I choose to treat him as just a guy who shows up sometimes.

          • Sirksome
            Sirksome
            June 15, 2023 at 12:33 pm | #

            There are several examples of Walky being a jerk or purposefully annoying to Jennifer, especially post winter break. The difference between Jen and Walky is just subtle differences in presentation and justification. We don’t like Jennifer’s shallow, popularity and status obsessed motives or her vindictiveness and pettiness. Doesn’t mean Walky following her all day against her wishes, annoyingly calling her “babe” was okay. Or being a smugass at their breakfast group date while feigning innocence or obliviousness is okay. He is aware of Jennifer’s trigger and pulled them anyway.

            I’m not even trying to bash Walky. This is just their dynamic. To me Jennifer wasn’t even being mean. This is how she interacts with Walky and Lucy. They all know this. We all know this. It’s their unique dynamic. Justifying it for Walky because he’s less blunt, has more tact, or is even just more likable does feel like favoritism.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      June 15, 2023 at 12:45 am | #

      Don’t worry, people are continuing to give her unwanted hate today too.

      • Mark
        Mark
        June 15, 2023 at 7:18 am | #

        Now I’m going to lose the whole day wondering what wanted hate is like.

        • Clif
          Clif
          June 15, 2023 at 8:22 am | #

          Think Mike.

        • Proxiehunter
          Proxiehunter
          June 15, 2023 at 11:31 pm | #

          If it helps that should have read unwarranted.

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      June 15, 2023 at 1:13 am | #

      The concept of someone being two-faced is apparently completely alien to Lucy, so Jennifer is being kind by not being midwest nice.

      • Hof1991
        Hof1991
        June 15, 2023 at 9:25 am | #

        She’s not good.
        She’s not bad.
        She’s just right

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 15, 2023 at 3:18 pm | #

          She’s a witch?

    • MegaBee
      MegaBee
      June 15, 2023 at 6:57 am | #

      Someone has to be the Satan.

      • Bryy
        Bryy
        June 15, 2023 at 7:39 am | #

        Or. Hear me out. People like to analyze characters.

    • Joy
      Joy
      June 15, 2023 at 1:00 pm | #

      I agree.

  9. Taffy
    Taffy
    June 15, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Asher was damaged in transit.

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      June 15, 2023 at 1:50 am | #

      Asher is packed by weight, not volume. Some settling may have occurred.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 2:33 am | #

        But is Asher dumped by weight or volume.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          June 15, 2023 at 2:39 am | #

          Both, depending on the particular recipe.

  10. Kim
    Kim
    June 15, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Oh nooo, not no Asher! 🙁

    • milu
      milu
      June 15, 2023 at 6:19 am | #

      Not no how!

  11. TrueVCU
    TrueVCU
    June 15, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    See guys? Billie is innocent*

    *this time

  12. Animedingo
    Animedingo
    June 15, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    Billie have you ever considered

    You might be a bongo?

    • Mr. Random
      Mr. Random
      June 15, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

      She DOES march to the beat of her own drum.

      • Net-Zero Joeyce Shipper (no engine, slowly following the current)
        Net-Zero Joeyce Shipper (no engine, slowly following the current)
        June 15, 2023 at 4:38 am | #

        She would absolutely consider herself Head Bongo In Charge, a title of honor and distinction

        Head Cheerleader shit

      • milu
        milu
        June 15, 2023 at 6:28 am | #

        You don’t march to bongoes, you sashay, you shimmy, you wiggle, you twirl, you clap your hands, you move your body, you shake your money maker

  13. newlland(Henryvolt)
    newlland(Henryvolt)
    June 15, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    Lucy should work on reading between lines. Not everyone’s going to be upfront about their behavior, there’s going to be some passive aggressiveness here and some two faceness there from some people.

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      June 15, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

      There’s something sweet about her stubborn refusal to see anything but the best in people. Laughably naïve, but sweet.

      • Vanessa
        Vanessa
        June 15, 2023 at 12:30 am | #

        But surely she knows about racism right? She couldn’t have grown up in America without figuring out this subtext of systemic racism that underlies our whole history and political system. Why Republicans can be manipulated into voting for anything they think will hurt Black people even if it hurts them too. Surely schools used to teach actual history even in the confederate states?

        • hatman
          hatman
          June 15, 2023 at 12:37 am | #

          Thing is, she’ll probably figure it out when she hears Linda with the mask off. Billie being abrasive about it makes Walky, who she knows has never been the savviest at navigating tense social situations, completely misinterpret her intentions.

          It’s not that she doesn’t know about racism, but that it hasn’t entered the conversation yet because everyone (Billie included) is dancing around the topic.

        • BarerMender
          BarerMender
          June 15, 2023 at 3:06 am | #

          No. American schools have NEVER taught actual history. American schools teach silly, made-up stories to make children proud of their country. History doesn’t enter into it.

          • milu
            milu
            June 15, 2023 at 6:37 am | #

            Yeh being proud of being American is sick honestly. I realize lots of people have that feeling instilled from a young age and were not given a choice but at some point it’s on you to realize that to be proud of having randomly beenborn in an imperialist hegemonic worls power is NOT something to be proud of. If anything it comes with a historic debt.

            (Same applies to other extremely rich, colonialist nations, obviously, such as mine, France, where i was also brainwashed in school to feel proud of the brutal, genocidal past and neocolonial present of french institutions)

            • Clif
              Clif
              June 15, 2023 at 8:34 am | #

              Hey I’m proud of being randomly born in the BEST best imperialist hegemonic world power through no effort or blame on my part.

              Mythology is important. If you teach the right mythology in schools, people may occasionally try to live up to it.

              • milu
                milu
                June 15, 2023 at 10:07 am | #

                …not a conversation i want to be having with you Clif, no offense >.>

              • hatman
                hatman
                June 15, 2023 at 10:10 am | #

                long story short, teach superman, he’s a good egg

          • Rogue 7
            Rogue 7
            June 15, 2023 at 6:55 am | #

            This is not at all true everywhere. My high school did a pretty good job of tackling the complexities of American history. Now I work in a school district where the vast majority of both teqchers and students are PoCs, and I assure you that there’s more nuance than “rah rah America”.

            I will also point out that automatically assuming America is in the wrong can lead to situations where people defend truly heinous things simply because they were done by people who make noise about how bad America is.

            • milu
              milu
              June 15, 2023 at 7:19 am | #

              Oh definitely.
              Reflexive anti-americanism is no more rational. I’d say it’s a step in the right direction but still only a small step. It’s also a really essentialist view of history. We need to actually change the framing, not just accept the original mythos while switching the roles around

            • zee
              zee
              June 15, 2023 at 12:18 pm | #

              Aren’t several states currently trying to ban the teaching of history that makes “white kids feel bad”, or like trying to instill a “teach both sides” thing for things like slavery and the Holocaust? The whole crt thing whenever anyone mentions black history?

              • Yumi
                Yumi
                June 15, 2023 at 5:46 pm | #

                Yeah. It’s not everywhere; there are a lot of states, and a lot of variety in school districts throughout those states. Still, all it takes is one ugh parent in your school and it can become a piece in a national debate.

                Still, lots of schools are explicitly expanding their curriculum in Black History and investing in it more.

        • Aslan
          Aslan
          June 15, 2023 at 7:50 am | #

          I’d like to point out that, even though all Black folks in America experience systemic barriers and prejudice due to anti-Blackness and racism, not every Black person understands it or recognizes it. I know it gets thrown around to mean “anything conservatives don’t like” or “anything liberals do” these days, but the term “woke” is actually a term in AAVE to describe Black folks who broke through that unawareness and realized the realities of racism and anti-Blackness in America rather than continuing to internalize anti-Blackness. It is entirely possible that Lucy won’t recognize or acknowledge Linda’s insidious level of racism, even if it’s pointed out to her.

        • tunasammich
          tunasammich
          June 15, 2023 at 11:39 am | #

          I mean, I don’t know why she would glean that from a cryptic conversation about a woman who she knows is married to a black man, I don’t see how it would be remotely obvious that’s what is being said here, to anyone

        • Yumi
          Yumi
          June 15, 2023 at 5:54 pm | #

          The book Lies My Teacher Told Me is very interesting for this. Essentially, even if a particular teacher is doing good work helping students learn about history with accuracy and nuance, most major history textbooks are shit at this and have been for a while (possibly always). Factored with teachers who have their own pro-America biases, teachers who are tasked with teaching history when it’s not actually their specialization, and classes being taught by substitutes who don’t have much to go on beside the textbook and some worksheets… yeah, I wouldn’t just assume someone in America, even a good student, had received a strong education in history.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        June 15, 2023 at 10:46 am | #

        “There’s something sweet about her stubborn refusal to see anything but the best in people”

        Not Sarah. The popular people told her Sarah was bad.

        • anonymsly
          anonymsly
          June 15, 2023 at 3:04 pm | #

          And then she pretty much immediately saw Sarah being super mean to an alleged friend and said ‘wow, you really are mean to everyone including your friends, huh?’ If Sarah hadn’t been in the process of actively being a dick to Joyce, Lucy probably would have been ‘huh, I guess Raidah’s full of it.’

          Tl;dr Sarah made a bad impression herself. That it was in line with what Raidah said was just the cherry on top.

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      June 15, 2023 at 12:30 am | #

      I doubt this is her first time being met with microaggressions, but I think it’s certainly possible the “OOH MEETING THE BOYFRIEND’S PARENTS!” factor is blinding her to the issue. Even to the trained ear, some dogwhistles can be missed.

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        June 15, 2023 at 1:02 am | #

        Lucy like most people also assumes of others what she knows of herself. She is all loving and doesn’t dislike anyone so she can’t fantom someone else being like that.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        June 15, 2023 at 8:31 am | #

        It’s also a little weirder to think of coming from your black boyfriend’s parents. Not impossible of course, but it’s not really the first thing anyone thinks of with conflict between parents and their kids.

  14. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    June 15, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    Look okay, I kinda liked Asher and Jen as a couple but if they broke up like the alt text implies I can’t be against it. Dude could not be trusted. Better a breakup now than be attached whenever that mob connection/blackmailed into aiding your friends kidnapper shoe drops.

    • Dara
      Dara
      June 15, 2023 at 12:33 am | #

      OH is that what the alt-text means because (100% serious) I am completely confused and was going to ask

      • Slartibeast Button, BIA
        Slartibeast Button, BIA
        June 15, 2023 at 1:53 am | #

        I’d assumed dumping was some baseball or other sports slang.

        • Clif
          Clif
          June 15, 2023 at 8:41 am | #

          Dumping on the pitcher for any loses is traditional.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        June 15, 2023 at 2:37 am | #

        I assumed it’s because it’s a funny sounding word.

    • adam black
      adam black
      June 15, 2023 at 12:34 am | #

      u forgot ordering a muder

    • Nono
      Nono
      June 15, 2023 at 1:07 am | #

      Asher is still coming off the better of the two right now.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 8:43 am | #

        No, no. Walky is still better than Asher.

        • milu
          milu
          June 15, 2023 at 10:19 am | #

          they’re broclones! they’re both equally better than the other.

    • Sporky
      Sporky
      June 15, 2023 at 1:19 am | #

      Jennifer gets away from an untrustworthy guy and Asher doesn’t have to put up with Jennifer’s bullshit anymore, win-win

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      June 15, 2023 at 1:25 am | #

      If they did break up wonder if Asher will continue with radiahs group? If mob connections do become a plot it could effect everyone in his social circle.

      • Azhrei Vep
        Azhrei Vep
        June 15, 2023 at 7:02 am | #

        I’m kinda wondering if he doesn’t end up hanging out with Walky soon. The two seemed to vibe pretty well, unless that was all a really good act.

        • anonymsly
          anonymsly
          June 15, 2023 at 7:49 am | #

          I’d be down for that, honestly. Asher’s trying to nope out of the mob thing (and failing at least somewhat so far) and Raidah’s social-climber group would encourage that continuing failure. Walky and his friend group are way more likely to encourage the ‘good’ rather than enable the ‘bad’, and Sal’s in it too and would Watch Him.

    • Bryy
      Bryy
      June 15, 2023 at 7:41 am | #

      …. for some reason, I’m surprised that they broke up.

  15. Mr. Random
    Mr. Random
    June 15, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    Unpleasent conversations ahoy!

  16. Jamie
    Jamie
    June 15, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

    Yeah, I’m not surprised Lucy doesn’t understand and that Jennifer utterly fails to realize that she doesn’t understand. And then goes on to not want to engage with the possibility that she might not understand something about another person.

    You’ve dropped your wisdom, Jennifer. Flee into the night!

    • anonymsly
      anonymsly
      June 15, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

      I think Jennifer realizes Zluct doesn’t understand but reeeeally thinks Walky or Sal need to be the one who actually says it out loud. ‘We are ranked by color from whitest to blackest, and now you are the blackest.’

      • anonymsly
        anonymsly
        June 15, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

        *LUCY doesn’t understand. Autocorrect fails me again!

        • adam black
          adam black
          June 15, 2023 at 12:35 am | #

          im caLLIN her Zluct now

          • Slartibeast Button, BIA
            Slartibeast Button, BIA
            June 15, 2023 at 1:56 am | #

            Wasn’t Zluct some Batman villain?

            • Clif
              Clif
              June 15, 2023 at 2:37 am | #

              Goes off to register Zluct in the Sky with Diamonds.

              • Taffy
                Taffy
                June 15, 2023 at 2:42 am | #

                Zluct is a dimension cop who’s always drawn standing horizontally. Her speech bubbles are also sideways.

                • milu
                  milu
                  June 15, 2023 at 10:17 am | #

                  yeah the Zleatlts wrote that song while tripping on ZSD after all

              • BarerMender
                BarerMender
                June 15, 2023 at 3:10 am | #

                Unfortunately, titles can’t be copyrighted.

                • Clif
                  Clif
                  June 15, 2023 at 9:10 am | #

                  But they can be trademarked.

                  I wanted to trademark “Lord High Pubah and Rightful Ruler of the Asmovian Spaces and all Lesser Orbs Therein” but it was already taken. Either that or it cost too much; I forget.

        • v.gay.person
          v.gay.person
          June 15, 2023 at 3:13 am | #

          Autocorrect??? What does autocorrect know about Zluct?? Is he in the room with us now?

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        June 15, 2023 at 12:27 am | #

        If so it’s weird that she thinks it’s okey to insert herself in the conversation and to be the one to tell Lucy she’s personally responsible for her boyfiends parents liking him less but thinks explaining herself is out of line.

        • adam black
          adam black
          June 15, 2023 at 12:49 am | #

          it also gives Billy a power over Lucy, a thing a social climber like Lucy cant stand. Lucy did everything she could get one over, multiple times socially over Billy. Then let Billy knew she wouldnt abuse it and welcomed her back.

          Lucy desparately craves authority but is too passive to admit thats what shes doing.

          Billy Knows better. With her new social group falling apart, Billy is likely to play the part of #1 daughter so Lucy can see she is in charge ,and lUcy cant game it this time.

          Lucy will be Lucy and and try to hurt Billys standing with Walkys parents, in order to be the one who fixes things. and THAT will be the thing that Walky dumps her over. ( maybe ) . Not because his parents are racist but because Lucy is acting like Raidah. and Walky will question how fast and artificial their romantic relationship is. Billy will urge walky to follow his actual feelings ( something she doesnt normally do ) and that Dorothy told him to fake it. This will probably all backfire on everyone , maybe with Asher role getting exposed. and Lucy wll be dumped and end up in Raidahs crew, where Fake nice and Toxic Positivity are rewarded.

          • UrsulaDavina
            UrsulaDavina
            June 15, 2023 at 12:57 am | #

            I don’t think Lucy is a full blown social climber it seems to me she was probably in a “outgroup” or nerds in high school and may have been bullied by people who resemble Jennifer and Radiah’s group so called “cool people” so Lucy is likely eager to please them in order to gain some form of validation it’s not social climbing its more likely Lucy is a people pleaser, hence why Mayla cant stand her.

            • cbwroses
              cbwroses
              June 15, 2023 at 1:16 am | #

              Exactly.
              Lucy wants to be liked by everyone, but she doesn’t want to be better than anyone.
              She’s genuinely nice, just a bit too worried about her personal popularity.
              But that only makes her want to appeal to more people, not undercut people.
              Even when Jennifer’s presence made her floor mates give up on her movie watch party, what she wanted to find out was how to get Jennifer to come, not how to make her less popular.

              • MM
                MM
                June 15, 2023 at 10:32 am | #

                Yeah, the assumption that one interaction with Raidah where she didn’t immediately see through and challenge Raidah’s tactics makes Lucy a social climber – and granted, I’m assuming that’s the logic here, because otherwise it just seems like pure personal dislike – is giving me the ick. And calling things “the ick” gives me the ick, so that says something about how much that take is bugging me.

          • Dante
            Dante
            June 15, 2023 at 12:59 am | #

            I’m sorry, I. I’m here like… I’m not sure where you got this from.

            • UrsulaDavina
              UrsulaDavina
              June 15, 2023 at 1:14 am | #

              I don’t know Lucy’s high school background so I’m speculating. Given her hobbies and love of comics and cartoons and her excitement that Jennifer was a cheerleader and her excitement that she and Walky were invited out to brunch with the “cool kids” I’m guessing she wasn’t popular with certain groups who are stereotypically popular in high school and likely longed to be associated with said group in high school. but Lucy has shown that she likes to please people.

              • Dante
                Dante
                June 16, 2023 at 12:59 am | #

                I mean. I think it’s kind of logical that a sheltered, churchy nerd who probably got bullied a ton would think herself boring… And romanticize the kind of adventurous, take-charge character Jennifer was projecting since she moved in. And hey, confirmation bias! We’re outright shown how she’s tried to reach out to people individually andgroupally, to no avail.

                She goes about pleasing people because she’s desperately lonely. That’s easy to take advantage of by manipulative jerks, and on a certain level, I think she’s realized her doormatting is hurting her; but making it about power, social climbing, and taking Jennifer down a peg is really making me wonder how can we have such different reads.

                Maybe she’s being set for a corruption arc, but in that case she’s not there yet.

          • BarerMender
            BarerMender
            June 15, 2023 at 3:14 am | #

            Thanks, Adam Black. I knew I didn’t like Lucy, and you’ve explained why.

            • Bryy
              Bryy
              June 15, 2023 at 7:43 am | #

              I’m waiting to see just HOW religious Lucy is, personally.

              • Clif
                Clif
                June 15, 2023 at 8:49 am | #

                Why is everyone calling Zluct Lucy?

                • anonymsly
                  anonymsly
                  June 15, 2023 at 2:59 pm | #

                  THANK YOU lol

              • pig
                pig
                June 15, 2023 at 10:00 am | #

                Considering Lucy’s comments about how a good Christian woman wait until the third date, her acceptance of Becky, and her willingness to regard Jennifer as a Christian ( even though she doesn’t go to church and such), Lucy seems like a pretty chill, non-legalistic kind of religious.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      June 15, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

      Can’t drop what she never had. Jennifer has always been bad with confusing her personal feelings and opinions with objective facts.

    • Arquinsiel
      Arquinsiel
      June 15, 2023 at 10:30 am | #

      I would not assume that Jennifer doesn’t understand. Based on her actions so far giving a cryptic and useless warning instead of just saying “hey Walky’s mom is super racist” lets her claim she told everyone this would happen and be technically correct. It may be building towards her getting called out for liking to pull the I-told-you-so play rather than actually helping and thereby character growth. It may not.

  17. Animedingo
    Animedingo
    June 15, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

    Wait so walkys mom is racist?

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      June 15, 2023 at 12:20 am | #

      She dislikes Sal’s natural hair texture, preferring when she straightens it.

      She objected to Sal’s being friends with Marcie, who is either hispanic or latina.

      She immediately assumed Joyce was dating Walky, and neither Sarah or Lucy.

      It’s not like she popped at Charlottesville’s protest or something, but there are definitely a lot of worrying signs.

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        June 15, 2023 at 12:42 am | #

        And then there’s the part where it’s been explicitly stated before including by Sal.

        • DailyBrad
          DailyBrad
          June 15, 2023 at 1:01 am | #

          Well yeah, Sal, Walky, and Billie have all commented on it. I am just providing some red flags that we’ve been shown for anyone who hasn’t seen or who are holdouts on the idea.

      • asp55
        asp55
        June 15, 2023 at 1:54 am | #

        I’ll have to double check to make sure I’m not forgetting a Linda strip, but pretty sure the preference for the straightened texture was Charles ( https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/appointment/ )

        (the colorism & effects of white supremacy on perception comes from every angle in the Walkerton house.)

        • DailyBrad
          DailyBrad
          June 15, 2023 at 2:04 am | #

          Ah, true about Charles. I forget if Linda’s directly commented on the hair issue, herself.

      • Aslan
        Aslan
        June 15, 2023 at 7:59 am | #

        Specifically that Marcie’s parents (and possibly her) are, or were at least at some point in the past, undocumented immigrants. (Source: flashback strip where Marcie was in the hospital and Charles was searching online to see if undocumented immigrants could get insurance). That undoubtedly informed/informs Linda’s disdain for her.

        Unless, of course, Charles was just assuming Latina = undocumented, which is a WHOLE can of worms to unpack, but I don’t think that was the implication.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 15, 2023 at 8:37 am | #

          Yeah, but she objected to Marcie from the very beginning. Before they knew Marcie’s parents.

        • Dr. Sharks
          Dr. Sharks
          June 15, 2023 at 2:04 pm | #

          That last possibility isn’t so unlikely. My wife’s parents were born in Cuba but immigrated to the US when they were young children and have been US citizens almost their whole lives. My wife was born here and has never been anything but a US citizen. That didn’t stop my Fox News grandma from asking her if she had her green card during their first meeting. A certain class of people just sees “vaguely brownish person” and immediately thinks “illegal immigrant”.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            June 15, 2023 at 3:23 pm | #

            And that certain class of people are racists.

            • Dr. Sharks
              Dr. Sharks
              June 15, 2023 at 5:41 pm | #

              That is the class of people I was referring to, yes.

              I guess, like Billie, Walky, and Sal here, I’m finding it hard to explicitly say “my family member is racist.”

  18. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    June 15, 2023 at 12:12 am | #

    I am shocked, absolutely shocked, I tell you, to learn Linda’s all-encompassing racism encompasses Asian people (or at least, those who can’t “pass”) as well as everybody else it encompasses

    • Sirksome
      Sirksome
      June 15, 2023 at 12:16 am | #

      Really need some kind of Jon Stewart type to interview Linda on the internal calculus that let’s Jennifer rank higher than her own kids because Asian.

      • cbwroses
        cbwroses
        June 15, 2023 at 1:10 am | #

        I assumed she ranked higher because rich and popular and merely didn’t lose any points because Asian.

      • v.gay.person
        v.gay.person
        June 15, 2023 at 3:19 am | #

        Imma guess a bit of model minority myth. Racism can be hierarchical in terms of severity of stigma for various races/racial features .

        I did a uni subject on Identity with a strong focus on culture, but I really don’t feel like writing about it now.

      • Mark
        Mark
        June 15, 2023 at 7:33 am | #

        I would very much like to get Linda’s own honest exposition on her relationships, behavior and values.

        • MM
          MM
          June 15, 2023 at 10:33 am | #

          That would require her to be honest with herself about them, which I really doubt she’s willing or even equipped to do.

    • Nono
      Nono
      June 15, 2023 at 1:08 am | #

      Which is funny because Jennifer seems fairly obviously at least half-Asian (given that she is).

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 15, 2023 at 8:40 am | #

      Am I missing something that shows that here?

      • Pergola
        Pergola
        June 15, 2023 at 9:00 pm | #

        Skintone.

  19. UrsulaDavina
    UrsulaDavina
    June 15, 2023 at 12:12 am | #

    Joyce is a pitcher in National League.

    • Clif
      Clif
      June 15, 2023 at 9:14 am | #

      Let’s dump her.

  20. Carms
    Carms
    June 15, 2023 at 12:13 am | #

    aaaaaaaaah the shame, THE SHAME.

    • Clif
      Clif
      June 15, 2023 at 9:16 am | #

      We forgive you. Just don’t let it happen again.

  21. BBCC
    BBCC
    June 15, 2023 at 12:18 am | #

    Yeah, I think Jennifer means well here but the way she says it isn’t helpful because A) She hasn’t actually come out and said it and B) It makes Walky think she’s just giving him and Lucy a hard time.

    It’s so nice to see him stand up for Lucy though. He’s a good boyfriend.

    • Sirksome
      Sirksome
      June 15, 2023 at 12:23 am | #

      Is it actually Jennifer’s place to say this though? How else do you bring this topic up? Saying outright “Hey, you know your parents are racist and you need to warn your black girlfriend.” Can be seen as just as rude for lacking tact and forcing an unpleasant conversation. I don’t think Jen can win here.

      • hatman
        hatman
        June 15, 2023 at 12:40 am | #

        It depends on what she wants to accomplish, really. If she wants Walky to say it out loud, then mean to Lucy isn’t going to work since he’s just gonna interpret it as that, with no deeper meaning.

        If she wants Lucy to actually know, then yeah it’d be her place to say it if only because Sal will do anything to get out of it, and Walky will probably say make a TV reference to explain. Worst part is, that might actually work.

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        June 15, 2023 at 12:46 am | #

        By that logic though is it really Jennifers place to drop these bombshels to begin with? to tell Lucy she not only the least favorite but also hurting walkys relationship with his parents just by existing? Oh and that she Jennifer will always be liked more then her, a sore spot she knows Lucy is hurt over? Jennifer could have “won” by telling walky to be honest with Lucy and letting Lucy know there was something she needed to hear from her boyfriend without saying anything herself.

        • adam black
          adam black
          June 15, 2023 at 1:03 am | #

          Yes. it is her place. No, only Lucy can damage her relationship with walky.
          and she will do it on her own if she tries her normal passive aggressive status seeking one upmanship games against Billy.
          ( and you can bet she will) .

          Billy and Lucy are a lot a like. She also cant tolerate walky and Lucy having status over her to her primary friend group.

          Lucy doesnt have a godgiven right to the most liked in every group. Shes already reclaimed this on her floor and then Billies old floor. Shes moved in on Billies friend group, and Lucy being Lucy will want to decrown Billy with walky parents. This is actually a vice , not a “sore spot” .

          Lucy used to be my favorite,until i saw the obnoxious and over the tops lenghts she would go be to have her niceness validated. Most charcters in this strip cant grow until they are humbled for going too far. Dorothy and Lucy are next.

          • cbwroses
            cbwroses
            June 15, 2023 at 1:08 am | #

            Wow.
            That is a…very different view of Lucy than I have.
            I’m just gonna put a pin in that and continue scrolling the comments.

            • Archieve
              Archieve
              June 15, 2023 at 1:15 am | #

              I think if Lucys one-sided rivalry was that extreme and toxic she never would have talked the rest of forest quad into giving Jennifer a start over.

              • Clif
                Clif
                June 15, 2023 at 8:57 am | #

                Hey, if we get strange and bizarre interpretations of Jennifer’s character and motivations, it’s only fair that we get strange and bizarre interpretations of Lucy as well.

            • MM
              MM
              June 15, 2023 at 10:56 am | #

              I genuinely admire your tact and diplomacy.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        June 15, 2023 at 12:28 pm | #

        If it’s her place to bring it up at all, then yes, she can tell the truth.

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      June 15, 2023 at 12:24 am | #

      He is a good boyfriend, indeed.

      I do wonder, though. Sal hasn’t voiced an objection to it, so maybe she’ll be the one to spell it out. It’s not like Sal’s uncaring (nor is Jennifer, in truth), but she also isn’t one to sugarcoat, and has had a lot of time facing her parents’ bullshit. So yeah, Lucy’s the only one of them who isn’t at least half white. (Sal and Walky are 3/4s white, Jennifer’s half-white, half-Chinese.)

      • Erica
        Erica
        June 15, 2023 at 12:26 am | #

        Sal has also brought it up before and Walky has dismissed it because “how can our parents be racist, dad is black”. Maybe Jennifer affirming the same thing will help get the point through

        • DailyBrad
          DailyBrad
          June 15, 2023 at 12:29 am | #

          Walky’s since acknowledged this, for what it’s worth. He joked to Dorothy that his mom was going to be pissed he was dating a black girl.

          Granted, I think it still probably did not feel good to see his mom assume Joyce was his girlfriend and be warm to her, and then when corrected, be only passingly pleasant to Lucy. Like, it seemingly went over Lucy’s head, but Walky looked to pick up on that.

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 2:45 am | #

        3/4s?

        • BarerMender
          BarerMender
          June 15, 2023 at 3:20 am | #

          Walky has state that his dad is “half black.”

          • Laura
            Laura
            June 15, 2023 at 3:35 am | #

            Ah. OK, thank you.

          • Miri
            Miri
            June 15, 2023 at 5:14 am | #

            Oh, I’d forgotten that – thanks!

    • v.gay.person
      v.gay.person
      June 15, 2023 at 3:45 am | #

      I actually interpret this as Walky knowing exactly what Billy is referring to but not wanting to address it directly because it’s unpleasant. She’s not dumping on Lucy, she’s dumping “it” on her, which I predict refers to Linda’s racism.

      My long-term prediction for this plotline is pretty much the same- that if Sal, Danny, Walky and Lucy go to lunch with the parents the racial differences of the Walkerton kids’ partners will upturn their preferential status which everyone will hate. It’d either lead to big bad energy between the kids (possibly including Sal acting out) or them teaming up to take on Boss Enemy Linda.

      If Walky doesn’t give Lucy a headsup then she’s going to be blindsided which is another potential conflict because he’s thrown her in a Get Out scenario. In Billie’s shoes, I would consider it his prerogative to warn her, but knowing he’s chickenshit about uncomfy situations I’d press him on it. Not quite like this, since I’m not inclined to speaking in riddles, but there’s not a lot of good-feeling ways to do it, either.

      • Mark
        Mark
        June 15, 2023 at 7:42 am | #

        I’ve been thinking that this lunch is when Charles finds his voice and (gently) calls out Linda’s behavior. A progressively hotter discussion ensues, with the younger generation looking on in horrified fascination, and they (and we) learn a lot of matters on which there has been much imaginative speculation here.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          June 15, 2023 at 8:42 am | #

          It’s possible, but we’ve never seen any evidence suggesting he’d do so.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        June 15, 2023 at 12:31 pm | #

        Ii agree that’s what she’s doing but the way she’s doing it isn’t helping here.Lucy isn’t getting it and Walky thinks she’s just making it about ranks to shit talk him and Lucy.

      • smolgrlboi
        smolgrlboi
        June 15, 2023 at 2:08 pm | #

        Yeah and Jennifer is being obtuse to give Walky (and possibly Sal) the opportunity to explain what she means to Lucy. “What does she mean by that?” well Walky you’re the one trying to be a good boyfriend now’s your time to shine!

  22. HueSatLight
    HueSatLight
    June 15, 2023 at 12:20 am | #

    For someone so obsessed about social hierarchy, Lucy is obnoxiously oblivious

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      June 15, 2023 at 12:27 am | #

      She’s very nice, and intelligent, but unfortunately naive, much like Joyce was.

      I still love their first meeting, where Joyce initially thought Lucy was mocking her by virtue of being that damn chipper.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        June 15, 2023 at 12:53 am | #

        She’s talking about how she hopes she’s ranked higher than Sal, in front of Sal.

        • cbwroses
          cbwroses
          June 15, 2023 at 1:04 am | #

          No. She mentions nothing about being in comparison to anyone.
          And if she is thinking about the ranking versus thinking about being disliked in general, given her nature, she’s most likely talking about how their parents will hate her so much that they’ll also dislike Walky.
          Though Lucy does want to be liked, she doesn’t seem to want to be better than anyone.

          • HueSatLight
            HueSatLight
            June 15, 2023 at 1:31 am | #

            Yes, she does.
            She asks where she’d slot into the rankings after hearing Sal say that she was a distant distant third. You can still think she’s very nice, but I’m not going to because (in part) of the reason I already stated.

            • cbwroses
              cbwroses
              June 15, 2023 at 1:46 am | #

              So all 3 of the children acknowledge there is a ranking, all 3 of them acknowledge they are ranked, Lucy asks where she’d be on the ranking, and you assume that not only does she immediately want to be ranked better than Sal, but ONLY and specifically better than Sal.

              If you’re going to judge her based off something unsaid and assume she wants to be better than any of them, why wouldn’t you assume Jennifer?

              We already know Lucy wants to be popular like Jennifer specifically.

              And we haven’t seen her have any negative thought about or toward Sal.

              Also, since this is her first boyfriend, she thinks she loves him, and she’s big on family approval as seen by how she views the interactions with her own brother and with Sal, you’d think she’d want to be the best, not number 3.

              I think you brought some head canon into her thought process.

              • HueSatLight
                HueSatLight
                June 15, 2023 at 2:05 am | #

                I’m not going with your head canon, please stop trying. And you’re putting words into my mouth.
                I find her character flaws annoying. You don’t have to.

                • cbwroses
                  cbwroses
                  June 15, 2023 at 2:31 am | #

                  You’re the one who said she wanted to be better than Sal.
                  You said that.
                  Not better than any of them.
                  Better than Sal.
                  Lucy didn’t mention Sal.
                  Lucy didn’t mention being higher than anyone (asking where someone exists on a ranking does not equal wanting a specific placement on said ranking nor that they want a specific person below them).
                  So no, I haven’t put any words in your mouth.
                  You can disagree with my viewpoint, but your viewpoint is clear to see.
                  Your reasoning, less so.

                • HueSatLight
                  HueSatLight
                  June 15, 2023 at 3:20 pm | #

                  You have a strawman of what I said, and some scenario where she was responding to what Sal said, but it had nothing to do with Sal even indirectly. I suppose that’s why my reasoning escapes you. I don’t know what you expect me to do. Not going to pretend I said the words you’ve put in my mouth though.

                • cbwroses
                  cbwroses
                  June 15, 2023 at 7:29 pm | #

                  Are you serious?
                  She’s not responding to what Sal specifically said.
                  She’s responding to the conversation that all of them are having.
                  You can’t take that entire conversation and then assume that because Sal spoke last before Lucy asked the question, her concern is Sal specifically.

                  What I expected you to do was to hopefully realize that you made it about Sal and the character of Lucy didn’t.

                  But as for putting words in your mouth, please tell me what I claimed you said that you didn’t say.

                  You said “ She’s talking about how she hopes she’s ranked higher than Sal, in front of Sal.”

                  I said “Lucy asks where she’d be on the ranking, and you assume that not only does she immediately want to be ranked better than Sal, but ONLY and specifically better than Sal.”

                  Her question was asked immediately (check), we haven’t been given access to her thoughts which means we both are assuming her motivation (check), and you were the one who brought up Sal and have only mentioned her wanting to be ranked better than Sal forgoing several opportunities to clear that up if you didn’t mean that (check).

                  But I’m putting words in your mouth…right.

              • JBento
                JBento
                June 15, 2023 at 5:57 am | #

                I mean, she already knows Sal’s ranked last. So either she’s ranked fifth, or she ranks better than Sal (who gets pushed down to fifth); there’s literally no third ranking option here.

                • Azhrei Vep
                  Azhrei Vep
                  June 15, 2023 at 7:08 am | #

                  Au contraire! You forget about the much-maligned tie! It’s horribly unlikely, but not technically impossible.

                • cbwroses
                  cbwroses
                  June 15, 2023 at 9:28 am | #

                  Yes, but that doesn’t mean she’s specifically concerned about her placement in relation to Sal as opposed to her placement in relation to any of them.

                  It’s just a weird take to say Lucy is concerned about Sal when that’s never said and then use that as evidence of Lucy’s negative traits.

                  Like if the previous strip was about Joe’s Do List instead of Linda’s racism, with every word about the ranking being exactly the same, would anyone assume Lucy wanted Joe to find her specifically more attractive than Sal because she asked where she’d be placed?

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              June 15, 2023 at 8:49 am | #

              You can twist it to mean “she hopes she’s ranked higher than Sal”, but she’s really just asking what they’ll think of her. We know she’s concerned about being liked in general and probably more so in the meeting the bf’s parents specifically. “Ranked” would be a weird way to put it, if they weren’t already talking about rankings.

              • MM
                MM
                June 15, 2023 at 10:37 am | #

                I think it’s even simpler than that: she doesn’t know what’s going on here, and she’s trying to get some kind of handle on things are weird and where she fits into that.

                • MM
                  MM
                  June 15, 2023 at 10:38 am | #

                  *why things are weird. Sigh.

              • HueSatLight
                HueSatLight
                June 15, 2023 at 3:49 pm | #

                If she weren’t so oblivious, the weirdness of the ranking would be raising some flags other than the green one.

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 15, 2023 at 2:27 am | #

      She may have been sheltered, or maybe she’s just too willing to give people the benefit of doubt. She should spend some more time with Sarah, so she can learn the ways of the misanthropic.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        June 15, 2023 at 11:22 am | #

        She wasn’t willing to give Sarah the benefit of the doubt because the “popular” people told her Sarah was bad.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          June 15, 2023 at 12:34 pm | #

          She told Sarah once that she was being mean in an interaction that was actually kinda mean. A lot of commenters definitely thought so. Walky let her in on the dynamic and we haven’t seen them interact since so who knows how that’ll go?

  23. Yoursmoreisburning
    Yoursmoreisburning
    June 15, 2023 at 12:22 am | #

    There are a lot of terrible people in this comic, but Billie is really trying to do a “hold my beer” moment for me lately.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      June 15, 2023 at 12:33 am | #

      The way she jumps into the conversation but won’t clarify anything for Lucy Is honesty really grating, if Jennifer wants to play at being the blunt voice of honesty she should either explain fully or not at all. While her ranking might not be wrong I also don’t think Walky is wrong about her motives.

      • Yoursmoreisburning
        Yoursmoreisburning
        June 15, 2023 at 12:38 am | #

        Blunt though she is, and still “correct” in the technical sense. The “blunt voice of honesty” only really has impact if you’re not being a bongo the other 90% of the time. and her sass back at Joyce there at the ending panel shows me at least that she’s just on a warpath to either seem like the coolest person in the room, or just overly angry at everyone for no real reason.

        • UrsulaDavina
          UrsulaDavina
          June 15, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

          Given the alt text of dumping dumpin dumping she may have dumped or been dumped by Asher which may explain her current mood though Jennifer has been a bit of bongo in the past.

        • Archieve
          Archieve
          June 15, 2023 at 12:55 am | #

          Her being a bongo definitely takes away any of the good she’s trying to accomplish. She’s angry about her personal issues, trying to regain self esteem by appearing aloof and cool and reaffirm thst she knows people and gets angry when reminded she doesn’t have everything under control in her life.

          • UrsulaDavina
            UrsulaDavina
            June 15, 2023 at 12:59 am | #

            +1 agree

          • Yoursmoreisburning
            Yoursmoreisburning
            June 15, 2023 at 1:51 am | #

            Absolutely

  24. Caro
    Caro
    June 15, 2023 at 12:28 am | #

    I don’t know, I think Billie has a point. She wants to make Walky say it himself, to make him acknowledge it out loud to Sal and Lucy. If she says it, he could conceivably brush it off. But forcing him to explain it to Lucy means it’ll be more direct. He’ll have to deal with her reaction to him making excuses for her.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      June 15, 2023 at 12:37 am | #

      That’s a very generous interpretation. Not sure if Jennifer deserves that much credit.

      • Bryy
        Bryy
        June 15, 2023 at 7:47 am | #

        Yeah, if Jennifer is doing that, it’s not for altruistic reasons.

    • MK15
      MK15
      June 15, 2023 at 1:08 am | #

      I’m not sure there’s some kind of grand “look deep down and see for yourself what is true, rather than hear it from me” undertone to what Jen is saying here.

      It’s obvious both twins know the favouritism of David over Sal, and Jen doesn’t want to or feel she has to explain what the root cause of Linda’s favouritism is. It’s shitty enough that it exists, without saying it out loud.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 8:09 am | #

        Sal has nothing to say and she is saying it.

    • v.gay.person
      v.gay.person
      June 15, 2023 at 3:26 am | #

      Now I’m hoping this is exactly what she says in the next strip. It’d tickle my tetanus

  25. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    June 15, 2023 at 12:32 am | #

    I really do wonder where this is going to go. There are many potential outcomes here.

    • JA
      JA
      June 15, 2023 at 12:55 am | #

      The alt text is ‘dumpin’ repeated a couple dozen times, so my guess is there will be poop at some point.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 9:29 am | #

        It’s a shitty job, but someone’s got to do it.

  26. Dante
    Dante
    June 15, 2023 at 12:52 am | #

    Yeah, this was absolutely Jen going like, “I’m going to BIG HINT at the issue” and assume it was either enough for all three of them to get it, or that either of the twins would actually explain – Look at Sal and Walky, their eyes are twitching. Sadly (?) enough, Lucy didn’t get it.

    It could’ve been because she thought the ranking thing was an in-joke (despite the :/ faces); actively wants to see the best in people; or she’s just that naïve. Joyce’s arrival stops what could’ve been the useful part of the (awkward but necessary) conversation she’d kickstarted 🙁

  27. Cmasta1992
    Cmasta1992
    June 15, 2023 at 12:55 am | #

    Being shitty under the guise of telling it like it is is still being shitty

    • MK15
      MK15
      June 15, 2023 at 1:11 am | #

      I’m not sure her trying to warn / prepare Lucy for further Linda interaction is being “shitty” to her, exactly.

      • Raven
        Raven
        June 15, 2023 at 9:01 am | #

        If she’s really trying to help, why doesn’t she just come out and say that Walky’s parents are racist instead of dancing around the subject?

    • StClair
      StClair
      June 15, 2023 at 1:45 am | #

      and yet, even after he’s gone, people here still fall over themselves to make excuses for Mike.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 9:32 am | #

        Why would Mike need excuses? He never made any.

  28. Thomas
    Thomas
    June 15, 2023 at 1:09 am | #

    I’d ask for Lucy’s notes if I were Joyce. She’s probably a diligent note-taker. Jennifer’s notes are either good because of her intelligence or shit because of her arrogance, which probably makes no exception for the teacher.

    • DailyBrad
      DailyBrad
      June 15, 2023 at 2:07 am | #

      Lucy’s probably a good note-taker, yeah, though I think it might just be because she knows Jennifer quite a bit more.

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 2:48 am | #

        Jennifer’s the journalism major. She knows how to take notes.

        • DailyBrad
          DailyBrad
          June 15, 2023 at 9:29 pm | #

          Also true. It’s not like Jennifer’s an idiot or anything, easy as it is sometimes to call her judgment into question.

  29. Raen
    Raen
    June 15, 2023 at 1:12 am | #

    …I feel like there’s a word I shouldn’t use now, one that starts with “Q,” that is definitely in Linda’s head.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      June 15, 2023 at 1:19 am | #

      Queer?

      • The Oracle
        The Oracle
        June 15, 2023 at 1:46 am | #

        The one for someone who’s 1/4 Black.

        • Raen
          Raen
          June 15, 2023 at 2:12 am | #

          Honestly, given Taffy’s avatar, and the posts I’ve seen of his (going quite wrongly by av) so far, I think he got that, as well.

          • NGPZ
            NGPZ
            June 15, 2023 at 2:23 am | #

            Wait was it Queer? pika pika?

          • Taffy
            Taffy
            June 15, 2023 at 2:58 am | #

            “They”, please. I like to keep it voidish. I’m curious what you mean about my avatar and posts though,.

            • v.gay.person
              v.gay.person
              June 15, 2023 at 3:29 am | #

              Is that an agender flag? I hadn’t noticed before.

              • Taffy
                Taffy
                June 15, 2023 at 5:07 am | #

                At the time of this reply, yes.

        • Miri
          Miri
          June 15, 2023 at 5:21 am | #

          I do not know this word… I am pretty sure learning it will not broaden my vocabulary in a meaningful way because this is not a word with connotations I will wish to refer to nor invoke..? My “I like words though” brain is twitching at NOT KNOWING THINGS though…

          • Raen
            Raen
            June 15, 2023 at 5:35 am | #

            All right, for you I’ll type it. Either American History has failed you or you’re in a jurisdiction that wouldn’t have learned it. It was from especially the late 19th century, if a black person and a white person had a child, they’d be a “mulatto.” (c.f., Nirvana’s most famous song) If a “mulatto” (like Walky and Sal, in Linda’s eyes, I was implying) and a white person had a child, they would be a “quadroon.” (The next would be an “octoroon,” and sometimes that after that they’d be white – but it would depend on state. Not a shiny part of our history.)

            • Raen
              Raen
              June 15, 2023 at 5:46 am | #

              (Although I feel like every single post of any length I make on American education should be ended by posting out that I was homeschooled by Catholics in a quasi-hippie commune.)

              • Raen
                Raen
                June 15, 2023 at 5:58 am | #

                I originally spoke way too long, as I suppose my race is wont to do: I originally said that A: we DO NOT USE THOSE WORDS IN THE STATES. I mean, they’re not as bad as THAT OTHER WORD, but they’re still pretty bad.

                B: Hippie was the predominant epithet there. Catholics just meant my own parents.

            • Mark
              Mark
              June 15, 2023 at 7:58 am | #

              I feel moved to observe that this is not confined to US English. New-world Spanish (maybe Spanish in general, I dunno) has equivalent words for similar concepts. I have no idea of their specific connotations, just pointing it out.

              I had come across all three of these words, though not in history classes, but lost them over the years. This sort of thing always leaves me thinking, “do we need a word for that? do we need a concept for that? why?” Weird.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                June 15, 2023 at 9:17 am | #

                More common in Spanish, I think. Not heavily used in even the pre-Emancipation South. I think largely in Louisiana, thanks to the French influence. The rest of the US moved to a more binary black or white classification.

            • Aslan
              Aslan
              June 15, 2023 at 8:08 am | #

              It’s a bit weird to imply that not knowing how to insult others is a failing of American history. Like, there are a lot of ways US history is taught poorly, I wouldn’t say that one of them is that people aren’t familiar with enough slurs.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                June 15, 2023 at 8:53 am | #

                Though you can learn a lot about important historical concepts by knowing what slurs they used and why.

            • Miri
              Miri
              June 16, 2023 at 11:04 am | #

              From the UK. Have come across the term “mulatto” in books but the others are new to me…

              Apparently though Mr Walkerton is half-Black though, but I didn’t realise until somebody said here?

  30. Suet
    Suet
    June 15, 2023 at 1:54 am | #

    Dumpin? I mean, yeah, Joyce would somehow rank #2 in the theoretical Walkertons list.

    Batting averages are odd. Even if Joyce’s is considered terrible, she’d still be above the Mendoza line.

    • Nono
      Nono
      June 15, 2023 at 2:02 am | #

      Depends if the Walkertons favour money over race. Joyce is white, so she would rank above Jennifer.

    • Kyrik Michalowski
      Kyrik Michalowski
      June 15, 2023 at 5:37 am | #

      I only know about the Mendoza line because I learned it from an episode of Game Grumps.

      • Clif
        Clif
        June 15, 2023 at 9:49 am | #

        The Mendoza line was what the French used in WWII to keep out the Germans. Unless this is the universe in which they mistakenly went with his younger brother, Maginot

  31. Raen
    Raen
    June 15, 2023 at 2:16 am | #

    Also, obligatory joke: “is that some Midwestern version of…”

  32. Needfuldoer
    Needfuldoer
    June 15, 2023 at 2:18 am | #

    America runs on dumpin’.

    • Laura
      Laura
      June 15, 2023 at 2:50 am | #

      Well, I mean, it does…

      • Bryy
        Bryy
        June 15, 2023 at 7:49 am | #

        Look at the divorce rate.

    • Raen
      Raen
      June 15, 2023 at 7:41 am | #

      I’ll take a you-don’t-know-what-a-regular-means-even-though-I’m-a-vegan.

  33. Laura
    Laura
    June 15, 2023 at 2:53 am | #

    Is it too soon for a Questions thread? I’m sorry, I know we’re supposed to keep it all on topic, but I could really benefit from some community right now…

    Here’s the Q: “How did your day go? Or how is it going so far?”

    • Laura
      Laura
      June 15, 2023 at 2:57 am | #

      Ok, here’s the tie-in: “Joyce, Sal, and Walky are having a mostly lousy day so far. How’s yours going?”

    • NGPZ
      NGPZ
      June 15, 2023 at 3:00 am | #

      It’s good. Completed a commission, also did more audio code for a gay platformer game who’s dev team I’m a part of.

      If I may ask, how have you been?

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 3:04 am | #

        Congratulations, NG! Really glad you got that. Your skills are shining!

        Thank you for asking, NG. That’s sweet of you. :’}

        • NGPZ
          NGPZ
          June 15, 2023 at 3:12 am | #

          awe no problem 😊

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      June 15, 2023 at 3:02 am | #

      It’s been decent. Cooked some tempura-batter chicken with curry sauce and veggies, drank some Arnold Palmers, played a little D&D. Spent the majority of it stoned, which is always nice.

      Yourself?

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 3:07 am | #

        That sounds dish delish! :-9

        …I’m having a hard time. TBI is worse. Not getting better. It’s dispiriting. Going to work and not being able to work.

        • NGPZ
          NGPZ
          June 15, 2023 at 3:16 am | #

          Oh no!!! 🥺

          So sorry to hear that, that must be awful!

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          June 15, 2023 at 3:16 am | #

          Brain injuries are scary. Without getting overly personal, I do hope you can get some relief in some way.

          • Laura
            Laura
            June 15, 2023 at 3:37 am | #

            Thank you both.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          June 15, 2023 at 6:14 pm | #

          Oh no, I’m sorry to hear that. Hugs if wanted.

          • Laura
            Laura
            June 15, 2023 at 8:58 pm | #

            Thank you, BBCC. Hugs right back atcha! (( <3 ))

    • v.gay.person
      v.gay.person
      June 15, 2023 at 3:32 am | #

      Well, I woke up at 3pm, played games for an hour, got ramped up to work on a submission to an anthology of disabled writers, realised I needed paper to print/edit my submission, went to the shop, broke down, just missed seeing my shop-assistant crush, and told a fun “did you know” to the girl at the bottelo I think has a crush on me, came home to work on said submission and got caught up in the comments here.
      Soooo…. good?

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 3:38 am | #

        Wow, good luck! 👍

    • Allison Branford
      Allison Branford
      June 15, 2023 at 4:51 am | #

      It’ll probably be fine if you wait a while for these things. If the Q gets posted immediately at midnight, than all of this will block the comic-relevant posts, but if this is buried further down, it won’t impact the comic-related postings? Just be aware that Mr. Willis has shut down this kinda thing before, when we were off topic. Also, I’m doing fine. Buried in paperwork though.

      • milu
        milu
        June 15, 2023 at 7:08 am | #

        Nah Willis don’t really care about o/t threads, they only grumbled that one time, afair, after several days of very early (midnight on the dot pretty much, hence top of the section) big o/t threads. So by posting this even a couple hours after the update you’re def fine.

        My best friend woke me up (at like 11.30am lol) (I’m in europe), they’d just had a Conversation with their current Romantically Entangled Person and so they had some venting and thinking out loud what needed doing, then i went back to bed with a cup of coffee intending to go on reading this absolute banger of a novel by Equatorian author Mónica Ojeda, “Mandíbula” (“Jaw”), just incredibly riveting exploration of the subtle horrors within mother-daughter bonds, the potential violence of an adolescence repressed by catholic misogyny and homophobia and general fear of sexuality, it’s an awesome book, also maybe doing a duolingo lesson or two, I’ve been learning the korean script lately, not sure if I’m gonna learn any Korean though but i was curious about the writing,

        Anyway, i ended up writing this comment instead, haha!

        Take care Laura, i’m sending strength and love 🫀

        • Laura
          Laura
          June 15, 2023 at 2:38 pm | #

          Thanks, milu! Wow, what a culturally and emotionally rich and varied and deep day you’ve had so far!

          Love that little “<3" emoji, too.

          I really appreciate you all.

          …Today's the deadline to apply for a job I'd really enjoy and would be perfect at… but it requires lots of travel and mingling with crowds. Not so sure I'm ready for all that just yet.

      • Laura
        Laura
        June 15, 2023 at 2:36 pm | #

        Thanks, Allison! Good luck on all your paperwork!

  34. CrazyJ
    CrazyJ
    June 15, 2023 at 3:03 am | #

    I’m happy that Asher appears to be moving on after Jennifer treated him like crap just because she has issues and he’s trying to improve himself.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      June 15, 2023 at 3:06 am | #

      Where on Earth did you get that from?

      • JBento
        JBento
        June 15, 2023 at 6:00 am | #

        The alt-text, one presumes.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          June 15, 2023 at 7:39 pm | #

          I thought it was a Niel Cicierega reference.

  35. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    June 15, 2023 at 3:25 am | #

    Joyce in last panel is like, not looking directly to Jennifer, but to fourth wall. She’s talking about Asher, poking Jennifer to see her reaction.

    If it wasn’t intentional, this effect was very funny.

    • v.gay.person
      v.gay.person
      June 15, 2023 at 3:48 am | #

      That’s the look of a serial killer who knows /exactly/ where Asher’s body is

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      June 15, 2023 at 11:39 am | #

      Maybe she saw Asher on the way over and is looking back in his general direction. Or more likely she’s just not making eye contact. Or even most likely she saw a wren, and wrens are neat.

      • Mark
        Mark
        June 15, 2023 at 11:20 pm | #

        She’s still looking around, trying to find Asher, whom she expected to be found in Jennifer’s vicinity.

  36. Allison Branford
    Allison Branford
    June 15, 2023 at 4:44 am | #

    You know, I never had Joyce’s blinding cheerful optimism, but the lack of social awareness is definitely an autism thing I identify with.

  37. Sombrero
    Sombrero
    June 15, 2023 at 4:46 am | #

    Who is dumping who?

  38. morleuca
    morleuca
    June 15, 2023 at 5:45 am | #

    Gonna go with Asher decided Jennifer’s ultimatum was enough and pushed the eject button.

    • Mark
      Mark
      June 15, 2023 at 8:06 am | #

      He is now parachuting down into the College Mall parking lot.

  39. Disastroid
    Disastroid
    June 15, 2023 at 5:57 am | #

    Danny is going to show up and everyone is going to have to redraw their favoritism flowcharts.

  40. Yeet
    Yeet
    June 15, 2023 at 6:26 am | #

    Honestly Jennifer it’s not weird for a friend to check in about why your boyfriend isn’t with you at a time he normally is.
    Maybe accept the friendly concern in the spirit it’s intended, even if it’s slightly more public than you’d like.

  41. ValdVin
    ValdVin
    June 15, 2023 at 6:29 am | #

    Oh, hey, I didn’t even notice Asher not being here yesterday. I never figured him out, but I feel bad for Jen.

  42. Lysbeth
    Lysbeth
    June 15, 2023 at 7:13 am | #

    so much dumpin’ you’d think this were a dumpin’ donuts

    • Raen
      Raen
      June 15, 2023 at 7:48 am | #

      Having worked (having every man woman and child over 16 worked, with state-enforced limits) for their sister location… you got something to say to us?

  43. Bryy
    Bryy
    June 15, 2023 at 7:51 am | #

    I’ve never been to that part of the Midwest, so I can’t comment on Lucy’s level of naivety here, especially after the very thinly veiled racial conversation of the last strip.

    • Raen
      Raen
      June 15, 2023 at 7:55 am | #

      I feel like I might be missing a bit of the Midwestern subtext here, but I’m pretty sure Jennifer got kicked to the curb.

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      June 15, 2023 at 11:50 am | #

      I don’t know if there’s a part of the US that isn’t passive aggressive, but if there is, it’s not the midwest.
      Indiana was once controlled by the kkk.

  44. Plaaaa
    Plaaaa
    June 15, 2023 at 7:59 am | #

    How’s her free throw percentage?

  45. Aslan
    Aslan
    June 15, 2023 at 8:16 am | #

    Oh no, I hope Asher doesn’t go through a jilted, sexual experimentation phase with the menfolk of IU. That would be ever so hot– I mean, tragic😔😔😔

  46. Hof1991
    Hof1991
    June 15, 2023 at 9:37 am | #

    Jen’s attitude here seems a little hot even for a rage monster like her but losing Asher explains a lot. Since she and Ruth both tried out me6, is it time for them to get back together?

    • Morleuca
      Morleuca
      June 15, 2023 at 4:40 pm | #

      Ruth’s still with Jason. And Jennifer’s entire character build swap was done in response to Ruth breaking up with her. Not to mention they haven’t had a civil conversation since Halloween.

  47. Juanoku
    Juanoku
    June 15, 2023 at 9:44 am | #

    What does sal have to do with Asher? After walky decked him their business was basically over

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      June 15, 2023 at 5:06 pm | #

      Right now, essentially nothing. Nobody said anything about the two of them here, so we don’t have any new info either.

  48. RoyanRannedos
    RoyanRannedos
    June 15, 2023 at 12:32 pm | #

    I always stop awkward conversations with “Did you know I had a tuba solo in marching band?” It’s such a non-sequitur it resets the conversation

    • Clif
      Clif
      June 15, 2023 at 9:12 pm | #

      A tuba solo? How did you swing that?

      • Miri
        Miri
        June 16, 2023 at 11:08 am | #

        I would assume you aren’t supposed to swing a tuba whilst playing it during a marching formation… Or possibly at all?

  49. poyo
    poyo
    June 15, 2023 at 12:57 pm | #

    yeaaaa i had a bad feeling this was gonna be an issue. you would THINK having a black husband would make white ladies lest racist and YET

    • UnDrewsual
      UnDrewsual
      June 15, 2023 at 1:09 pm | #

      Laura Ingraham has an adopted black child and she is still racist as hell

  50. Joy
    Joy
    June 15, 2023 at 12:59 pm | #

    Poor Lucy. 😔

  51. Chubsius
    Chubsius
    June 15, 2023 at 1:24 pm | #

    Why are we trusting Jennifer’s assessment of the problem? She might have the right input data, bad parents, but her conclusions are often wrong when it comes to social interactions. I wouldn’t be surprised if the twist will be that Jennifer is now at the bottom of the hierarchy. Or that Danny and Lucy are both above Wally and Sal.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      June 15, 2023 at 1:51 pm | #

      It’s close enough to sound plausible but I could definitely see Jennifer being dead wrong especially since the comic narrative seems to have her get the opposite of what she wants lately.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 15, 2023 at 3:15 pm | #

      Because it matches what we’ve seen from them before? They’ve got no known reason to change their take on Jennifer.

      Partly though I do think she’s wrong. That Sal’s closer. I don’t think Lucy will actually rank in the hierarchy. Not at first at least. Maybe if she and Walky stick together for the long term. It’s a family hierarchy. Jennifer counts because she’s the reasonably white-passing daughter they always wanted. A new girlfriend doesn’t hit family status on day 1.
      As such, she’ll probably be seen as a negative, pulling Walky downwards, but not enough to pass Sal. Much like Danny might get a nod of approval and make them think Sal might start to sort herself out, but he wouldn’t remove their problems with her entirely.

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      June 15, 2023 at 4:04 pm | #

      They have different perspectives, Sal knows how she’s been treated, the thousand cuts. Jennifer is familiar with what Linda has said when Sal’s not around, maybe even when Walky hasn’t been around. There may be a conversation or two she overheard that really stick in her memory. I don’t know who is right, whose has better understanding of the nuances that will come into play, but I don’t think that’s important.
      The important issue is that their racism/colorism is messed up.

  52. Smooti
    Smooti
    June 15, 2023 at 3:31 pm | #

    Oh Jennifer. For someone who claims to not want to hang out with any of these people anymore, you sure do enjoy showing up and ranting at them under the guise of giving “advice”

    • Morleuca
      Morleuca
      June 15, 2023 at 4:43 pm | #

      some people just can’t let go of that sweet sweet feeling of sage-ness

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      June 15, 2023 at 6:05 pm | #

      Their also the only ones she feels she can pull it off with right now, radiah talks down to her, shes angry with Asher and Ruth directly called her out on lacking both people skills and tact. Don’t think there’s anybody else she can give “sage” advice to right now.

  53. insertname
    insertname
    June 15, 2023 at 5:27 pm | #

    I would definitely want my partner to let me know if their parents are racist tbh

  54. Nothri
    Nothri
    June 15, 2023 at 11:41 pm | #

    It’s true. Joyce has never put on a cape and cowl meant to instill fear into criminals who are craven and cowardly lot. Her batting average is currently zero.

  55. NGPZ
    NGPZ
    June 15, 2023 at 11:55 pm | #

    I wonder if the dumpin really will happen…

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