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May 12, 2026

Fragile

by David M Willis on August 15, 2024 at 12:01 am
  • 01 – Love Dares You To Change
└ Tags: joe, joyce

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  1. IntangibleMatter
    IntangibleMatter
    August 15, 2024 at 12:02 am | #

    SAVED BY THE PENIS JOKE

    • Rose by Any other Name
      Rose by Any other Name
      August 15, 2024 at 12:10 am | #

      Wouldn’t be the first time.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      August 15, 2024 at 12:19 am | #

      It can go the other way just as easily. An ill-timed penis joke can really cock it up.

      • Lokitsu
        Lokitsu
        August 15, 2024 at 12:46 am | #

        And make you look like a huge dick.

        • M!a
          M!a
          August 15, 2024 at 1:06 am | #

          /me cues up “Sober” by Tool on the hacked Muzak

        • Dante
          Dante
          August 15, 2024 at 1:07 am | #

          Oh dong. Yeah, that would’ve made things harder isn’t it

          • Kat
            Kat
            August 15, 2024 at 7:43 pm | #

            It’s just a penis joke. I don’t understand why everyone had to get so stiff about it.

        • Nothri
          Nothri
          August 15, 2024 at 2:04 pm | #

          Basically you don’t want to just whip one out, cause that can cause disgust and awkwardness. But if you make sure your company is in the right mood it can be delightful for everyone involved when you insert it.

          Inserting the joke into the conversation of course. What else would I mean?

      • Jamie
        Jamie
        August 15, 2024 at 1:56 am | #

        You, too, can relieve tension with a prick.

    • Xronium
      Xronium
      August 15, 2024 at 12:29 am | #

      a buzzer beater! or penis beater wait no

    • DJTsurugi
      DJTsurugi
      August 15, 2024 at 4:16 am | #

      penis jokes to defeat trauma ~<3

    • Ana Chronistic
      Ana Chronistic
      August 16, 2024 at 12:02 am | #

      No wenis jokes? I AM DISAPPOINT

      (I am also not regularly posting since general loss of concern plus I guess Firefox shat itself and lost all my settings and I’ve been struggling with just putting everything back where it was to care about not-“FIRST”-FIRSTing)

      • Deanatay
        Deanatay
        August 16, 2024 at 7:59 am | #

        1) It’s spelled ‘weenus’.

        2) ‘Weenus’ is more Walky’s joke.

        3) This wouldn’t be the first time Joe has fixed something with his penis.

        wait

        • Ana Chronistic
          Ana Chronistic
          August 16, 2024 at 11:53 pm | #

          https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/wenis/

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      August 16, 2024 at 1:11 pm | #

      The Penis (joke) mightier! than the sword.

  2. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    August 15, 2024 at 12:02 am | #

    Hehe. Penis.

    • Felian
      Felian
      August 15, 2024 at 12:34 pm | #

      Pe-ness.

  3. Dara
    Dara
    August 15, 2024 at 12:02 am | #

    oh no

    it’s spreading

    xD

    • True Survivor
      True Survivor
      August 15, 2024 at 12:04 am | #

      Ha!

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      August 15, 2024 at 12:05 am | #

      I don’t know what you meanis.

    • Rose by Any other Name
      Rose by Any other Name
      August 15, 2024 at 12:10 am | #

      Not yet she isn’t.
      Maybe soon?

      • Lee
        Lee
        August 15, 2024 at 3:22 am | #

        [spit take] thank you I needed a 4.30am laugh

    • Deanatay
      Deanatay
      August 16, 2024 at 8:04 am | #

      Is Joe Patient Zero of the dreaded PENIS DISEASE??

      Nah, doesn’t have the same ring to it as BUTTS DISEASE.

      DING DONG DISEASE?

      PENID-19?

  4. NGPZ
    NGPZ
    August 15, 2024 at 12:03 am | #

    Aaaawwweeee

    (hee hee)

  5. StClair
    StClair
    August 15, 2024 at 12:03 am | #

    It’s good that they broke the tension, but they also need to finish having this conversation.
    Without Mary around.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      August 15, 2024 at 12:06 am | #

      Her presence just enhances Psychic Damage, huh.

    • anonymsly
      anonymsly
      August 15, 2024 at 12:06 am | #

      I think they will, but this little tension break is a solid hint to the comic-viewing audience that we’re not headed for a breakup here. (Not that the consensus didn’t already seem to be ‘this is an important conversation that will strengthen the ship’.)

    • RassilonTDavros
      RassilonTDavros
      August 15, 2024 at 12:10 am | #

      Yeah. There are pros and cons to this resolution.

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        August 15, 2024 at 12:22 am | #

        This isn’t a resolution. It’s just a penis joke. This will come up again.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          August 15, 2024 at 3:24 am | #

          Yeah, they need a real talk but without the “you lied to me” tension.

          • Reltzik
            Reltzik
            August 15, 2024 at 9:39 am | #

            Strangely enough, just a few strips ago Joyce was okay with him lying. She called it bliss.

            … also, I think that counted as Joe pressuring her.

    • Kimi
      Kimi
      August 15, 2024 at 12:14 am | #

      The penis joke might chase Mary away for them to continue the conversation without her, or to move to a more private area.

      • Kimi
        Kimi
        August 15, 2024 at 12:16 am | #

        I now realize that they could continue along with the word jokes by talking about going to a private area. It wasn’t initially intentional, but I still find the idea amusing.

      • Reltzik
        Reltzik
        August 15, 2024 at 12:26 am | #

        It might not drive her off, though. Maybe she’ll eavesdrop for some reason. Like she thinks it will, oh, I dunno…. nethersomeblackmailmaterial.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        August 15, 2024 at 3:25 am | #

        Ha-HA! “Private area”.

  6. Switchchris
    Switchchris
    August 15, 2024 at 12:04 am | #

    Hopefully this event has made this relationship less fragile, good on joe for properly communicating, even if its a bit late.

    • Kimi
      Kimi
      August 15, 2024 at 12:13 am | #

      He may not have thought that it was going to be a problem until she started drinking. I wouldn’t expect him to be that great at foresight at his age. Then you get into whether he can have the conversation while she is drinking and all that jazz. I am really glad that he is being open about his vulnerabilities and concerns and everyone is talking things out.

      • Bogeywoman
        Bogeywoman
        August 15, 2024 at 7:08 am | #

        Oh yeah, this is one of those things you only learn to do (eg communicate expectations around inebriation) after you cock up. That kinda goes for the vast majority of the comic, kids learning what to do or not to do through their cockups.

        • Nathan
          Nathan
          August 15, 2024 at 11:34 am | #

          They’re dumbing of age

  7. anonymsly
    anonymsly
    August 15, 2024 at 12:04 am | #

    I mean, he is also afraid he’s going to ruin it with his penis, so….

  8. shadowcell
    shadowcell
    August 15, 2024 at 12:05 am | #

    big me-ness energy

  9. Jo_cubstar
    Jo_cubstar
    August 15, 2024 at 12:05 am | #

    Oh Joyce. Too cute

  10. Red
    Red
    August 15, 2024 at 12:07 am | #

    I love these two idiots

    • Vanessa
      Vanessa
      August 15, 2024 at 1:17 am | #

      Seconded. Such adorkableness.

  11. pickonecard
    pickonecard
    August 15, 2024 at 12:09 am | #

    That went about as well as it possibly could have 🙂

  12. Nono
    Nono
    August 15, 2024 at 12:09 am | #

    If you share it, Me-ness becomes a Weenus.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      August 15, 2024 at 12:36 am | #

      The weenis is a dance. Everybody is a genius, who knows it in advance. Everybody do the weenis.

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 7:30 am | #

      An excellent marketing idea for the Wii that was, sadly, rejected in-committee.

    • VicMortimer
      VicMortimer
      August 15, 2024 at 9:58 am | #

      Better get some of that Arden Weenus Meat Softener.
      (It’s cadmium enriched.)

  13. Blume
    Blume
    August 15, 2024 at 12:09 am | #

    I love them so much. That’s kinda all I have to say. Also, haha me-ness

  14. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    August 15, 2024 at 12:10 am | #

    What a couple of dingdongs.

    • Rose by Any other Name
      Rose by Any other Name
      August 15, 2024 at 12:11 am | #

      I see what you did there.

      • Michael Steamweed
        Michael Steamweed
        August 15, 2024 at 8:03 am | #

        Joyce has seen it, too.
        (the miracle of biology, that is)

  15. Dave Van Domelen
    Dave Van Domelen
    August 15, 2024 at 12:13 am | #

    It’s like kintsugi, but with penis jokes instead of gold.

    • butts
      butts
      August 15, 2024 at 12:14 am | #

      cocksugi, if you will

      • Michael Steamweed
        Michael Steamweed
        August 15, 2024 at 8:04 am | #

        dicksugi?

        • Kintrex
          Kintrex
          August 15, 2024 at 4:36 pm | #

          Chinsugi

  16. Queezle
    Queezle
    August 15, 2024 at 12:13 am | #

    Well done communication for the win.

    • Lee
      Lee
      August 15, 2024 at 3:23 am | #

      Yes! I was 🥳🎉🎊

  17. Thing2
    Thing2
    August 15, 2024 at 12:15 am | #

    This is exactly what I expected to hear from him. And the derailing is kinda so sweet and Joyceish. Full marks to them for honesty and to Willis for knowing when to make penis jokes.

  18. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    August 15, 2024 at 12:16 am | #

    Sometimes, you need something to cut the tension. I am glad they’re talking about all of this.

  19. TheKelliestKelly
    TheKelliestKelly
    August 15, 2024 at 12:25 am | #

    We all remember Joyce’s trauma. But does anyone remember Joe’s experience with Liz?

    https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-12/01-sister-christian/ruined/

    This is definitely informing Joe’s behaviors and fears

    • anon
      anon
      August 15, 2024 at 12:38 am | #

      i’m not a guy but i feel like something like that would give me ED /’performance anxiety’ the next time i tried being intimate withsomeone/what i expected to happen if joyce had attempted to grope him/do more while she was drunk versus joe just being hesitant /avoiding sex

      • Michael Steamweed
        Michael Steamweed
        August 15, 2024 at 8:06 am | #

        I am a guy, and I’ve been in a very similar situation. When I was much younger, and it did not go great. Many women friends (and a few man friends) tried to tell me it wasn’t that bad, that I was overreacting, but I still remember it today in that negative way. And, yeah, it can cause anxiety in several ways.

    • Dante
      Dante
      August 15, 2024 at 1:18 am | #

      And he never told Joyce about that episode because

      1- of course he hasn’t, the SHAME of that experience reached existential levels.
      2- it’s a surprise tool Willis will help himself to later.

      Joyce kind of introduced them. Feels like it would affect their relationship (on top of already making Joe feel like shit, that’s it.)

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        August 15, 2024 at 2:29 pm | #

        “I was going to fuck her so I could get over you,” probably will be rough. Along with “I had a sexual encounter with Dorothy to see if it would change how I felt about you.” Maybe they balance each other out.

    • Jerach
      Jerach
      August 15, 2024 at 1:26 am | #

      I forgot just how heavy that moment hit Joe holy shit. While I don’t have really the same history as him I can honestly relate to the terrifying fear that my sexual interest in somebody is dangerous and potentially harmful, even if I’m trying my best to be respectful.

    • RoyanRannedos
      RoyanRannedos
      August 15, 2024 at 11:19 am | #

      Yeah, before you know it…HOMPK!

  20. Gin
    Gin
    August 15, 2024 at 12:26 am | #

    They’re going to be fine 😁

  21. Newlland(Henryvolt)
    Newlland(Henryvolt)
    August 15, 2024 at 12:28 am | #

    …That’s a good way of saying “I love you” without actually saying it.

  22. Taffy
    Taffy
    August 15, 2024 at 12:28 am | #

    Oh yeah, just simply have more faith in yourself. It’s like a switch, right? Just on/off at will?

    • Inahc
      Inahc
      August 15, 2024 at 12:33 am | #

      duh, it’s the one second from the bottom on the left thigh. *everyone* knows about the faith/more-faith switch. 😛

      • Dante
        Dante
        August 15, 2024 at 1:09 am | #

        Is there a faith-no-more fuse?

        • TGS
          TGS
          August 15, 2024 at 6:48 am | #

          When it working, the Faith No More fuse just blasts the Angel Dust album at maximum volume – which can be a cathartic album to sit through when you need to revel in some uncomfortable beauty. Sometimes, though, if that fuse blows, then you have to deal with Mike Patton throwing goldfish at a piano while singing Italian.

  23. raker
    raker
    August 15, 2024 at 12:29 am | #

    why is she making this so hard?

    • anon
      anon
      August 15, 2024 at 12:36 am | #

      That’s what she said 8D;

      “Difficult but worth it” is how i’m sure some ppl would describe befriending/dating joyce

    • Dara
      Dara
      August 15, 2024 at 12:36 am | #

      lol why is she making J…

      y’know, I’m not. I’m just not.

      • Dara
        Dara
        August 15, 2024 at 12:37 am | #

        It’s TOO EASY

        JUST LIKE JOE

        (used to be)

        xD

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      August 15, 2024 at 12:39 am | #

      She’s not.

    • AGV/Ruby
      AGV/Ruby
      August 15, 2024 at 1:04 am | #

      She’s actually making this super easy

      • Agemegos
        Agemegos
        August 15, 2024 at 6:54 am | #

        … barely an inconvenience.

    • Jerach
      Jerach
      August 15, 2024 at 1:27 am | #

      Given how recent the trauma still is this is honestly pretty good. The fact that she hasn’t just completely run away from this situation and is able to hold this conversation right now is pretty good.

  24. Anon A Mouse
    Anon A Mouse
    August 15, 2024 at 12:29 am | #

    “I’m not fragile” she says clutching her hand after freaking out at someone not being drunk around her when she was. Not trying to be mean, but she’s not making a great case.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      August 15, 2024 at 12:39 am | #

      Here we go. All forms of vulnerability are fragility. If you can break at all, you’ll break at the drop of a hat.

      • Dday
        Dday
        August 15, 2024 at 3:08 pm | #

        Wellll the way she’s been trying to use alcohol to bypass that vulnerability… I can’t exactly blame Joe for reacting with caution. I do think Joyce is made of sterner stuff than most people realize, even herself.

    • AGV/Ruby
      AGV/Ruby
      August 15, 2024 at 1:11 am | #

      That’s not fair considering that this is one of her worst traumas. She’s been having recurring nightmares about this kind of situation ffs.

    • Regret
      Regret
      August 15, 2024 at 1:17 am | #

      Freaking out and controlling it is how you get stronger, and may even lead to healing. Pretending you’re not freaking out as if you don’t have trauma isn’t being strong, that’s pretending to be strong.

      • Throwatron
        Throwatron
        August 15, 2024 at 3:16 am | #

        holy shit preach

    • Lee
      Lee
      August 15, 2024 at 3:26 am | #

      She’s having a trauma/ptsd response. Joyce has been through a lot and telling herself that her trauma =/= fragility is so very important.

    • Wereg
      Wereg
      August 15, 2024 at 3:34 am | #

      You are succeeding in being mean. It’s a fresh and very scary trauma.

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      August 15, 2024 at 4:20 am | #

      That’s a mixed signal. Like Joyce didn’t give a full green flag.

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 8:11 am | #

      Trouble is, Joe sees this. He knows what she went through. He knows he is terrified of making her feel that way, or even have any flashback to that time. Joe does not want her to go there, and he is second-guessing and third-guessing himself about it. Dick jokes aside, he needs Joyce to understand how very concerned he is. And a simple “I’m not fragile” is not going to assuage his worries one bit.

      • Anon A Mouse
        Anon A Mouse
        August 15, 2024 at 4:04 pm | #

        Thank you for being the only one to see my point.

  25. anon
    anon
    August 15, 2024 at 12:35 am | #

    aw, cute

    well, it’d be nice if more guys evne cared half as much about these thigns as joe does

  26. staszu13
    staszu13
    August 15, 2024 at 12:37 am | #

    Joyce! Never so glad to see a Joyce Face in my life ❤️

  27. Proxiehunter
    Proxiehunter
    August 15, 2024 at 12:38 am | #

    Me-ness sound like penis and FFFFFT sounds like she’s making a fart noise with her mouth.

  28. JA
    JA
    August 15, 2024 at 12:52 am | #

    Penis to the rescue!

  29. audkitten
    audkitten
    August 15, 2024 at 12:56 am | #

    I’m 44 and my partner is 56 and this is how we have serious conversations (especially the last part)

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 8:13 am | #

      Being a 40s, 50s, or older adult just means we have more authority to exchange body part jokes. 🙂

  30. Bruno
    Bruno
    August 15, 2024 at 1:00 am | #

    Getting this comments section to see a relationship conflict while also understanding that they’re not gonna break up over this is legitimately a feat of storytelling.

    • Rotunda
      Rotunda
      August 15, 2024 at 4:02 am | #

      Yes, ’tis most excellent.

    • Schpoonman
      Schpoonman
      August 15, 2024 at 3:54 pm | #

      I really thought after Walky and Lucy left the church that they were going to be fine going forward.

      I was very wrong.

  31. AGV/Ruby
    AGV/Ruby
    August 15, 2024 at 1:03 am | #

    And this is why they’re the OTP

    • Rabbit
      Rabbit
      August 15, 2024 at 2:31 am | #

      Astronaut 1: They’re OTP

      Me in an astronaut suit holding It’s Walky/Roomies: Always has been

    • DorJoJo
      DorJoJo
      August 15, 2024 at 4:04 am | #

      Don’t think I could handle them breaking up

  32. M!a
    M!a
    August 15, 2024 at 1:04 am | #

    Sometimes, life is suddenly about when *not* to hold back with that dick joke

  33. Amelie Wikström
    Amelie Wikström
    August 15, 2024 at 1:06 am | #

    Come on Joe, turn that me-ness into we-ness. Hehe weenus

  34. Bryy
    Bryy
    August 15, 2024 at 1:09 am | #

    The lack of Mary here concerns me.

  35. AbacusWizard
    AbacusWizard
    August 15, 2024 at 1:11 am | #

    tee hee

  36. Dante
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    August 15, 2024 at 1:12 am | #

    Sorry, I’m incredibly ill and my sole input tonight is apparently horrible puns. Anyway yeah they’re so cute I can only wish they didn’t have this conversation right in the middle of the hallway .

    I live for drama but there’s better ways :’DD

  37. Jammy
    Jammy
    August 15, 2024 at 1:13 am | #

    Phew. Serious discussion avoided….

  38. staszu13
    staszu13
    August 15, 2024 at 1:16 am | #

    It’s ok Joe. She could have caught you in the midst of an orgy with 6 other women – oh wait

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 8:14 am | #

      He did say that he has never had a three-some. But he did not specifically say he has never had a four-some, five-some, six-some, or beyond. Just that he has never done any three-some-ing.

      • Schpoonman
        Schpoonman
        August 15, 2024 at 3:53 pm | #

        Fuckin’ band camp.

  39. Warmth
    Warmth
    August 15, 2024 at 1:33 am | #

    Yiur me-ness is hard on yourself…. I don’t know where I was going with that one…

  40. shrub
    shrub
    August 15, 2024 at 1:33 am | #

    These guys have great chemistry together and, more importantly, can communicate with each other

    Good to see

    • Lee
      Lee
      August 15, 2024 at 3:27 am | #

      I had some excellent potential!

  41. chuckroast
    chuckroast
    August 15, 2024 at 1:35 am | #

    Yessssssss. This is so good to see. I love them.

  42. DashWallkick
    DashWallkick
    August 15, 2024 at 1:45 am | #

    And just like that, fight: over!

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      August 15, 2024 at 9:54 am | #

      Fight postponed. Underlying issues successfully not dealt with.

      Which might still be a good thing.

      • DashWallkick
        DashWallkick
        August 15, 2024 at 11:12 am | #

        IMO this wasn’t much of a fight — it’s just reiterating that Joe is scared of turning into his dad and Joyce needs to be more sensitive to that going forward, which includes alcohol. It’s hard to really resent your partner when the central issue is mutual fears you both are aware of and working to resolve. It’d be much, much, much worse if either of them were Jennifer-ing the issue and pretending it didn’t exist.

      • TerribleTransit
        TerribleTransit
        August 15, 2024 at 9:05 pm | #

        The “fight” was already transmuting into an honest discussion of their feelings with signs of it continuing into dealing with those issues. The tension release of a good dick joke only makes it more likely for the conversation to continue that way without turning into a full-fledged fight. I think it’s much more likely to be “fight averted” than “postponed”.

  43. CianM1301
    CianM1301
    August 15, 2024 at 2:10 am | #

    And the comments section breathed a collective sigh of relief.

    • NGPZ
      NGPZ
      August 15, 2024 at 2:25 am | #

      Willis makin us feel like JoeJoy feel, like a frickin roller coaster

      WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! ^^ <3

    • Fussypupy
      Fussypupy
      August 15, 2024 at 4:05 am | #

      hahaha yes exactly xD

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 8:16 am | #

      Ssshhh, don’t say that loudly! Willis will hear you! And he’ll put them through a quick argument and breakup and reconcile with hot steamy slipshine sex the very next day, but in our world that will take like three years! I don’t have that kind of patience! :O

      • NGPZ
        NGPZ
        August 15, 2024 at 3:00 pm | #

        From the Doylist perspective, surely advancing the story does not really entail breaking up couples out of nowhere?

  44. darkoneko
    darkoneko
    August 15, 2024 at 2:16 am | #

    pffffffhahahahhahahahahahahha

    • Jeremiah
      Jeremiah
      August 15, 2024 at 10:07 am | #

      Dammit Cross! (This is a reference to a one piece fanfic)

  45. Steelbright
    Steelbright
    August 15, 2024 at 2:31 am | #

    Is this the only time “penis” has actually solved an argument?

    • Mano308gts
      Mano308gts
      August 15, 2024 at 3:43 am | #

      Was the Joe gravatar fortuitous or intended… we will never know… xD

  46. GUIGUI
    GUIGUI
    August 15, 2024 at 2:32 am | #

    Biggus Weegus!

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 8:16 am | #

      *urge to snicker in roman-centurion intensifies

  47. Throwatron
    Throwatron
    August 15, 2024 at 3:14 am | #

    oh no they’re cute i’m losing it send help

  48. DorJoJo
    DorJoJo
    August 15, 2024 at 3:54 am | #

    Oh thank god, we were taking on water for a minute there

  49. VolticEXE
    VolticEXE
    August 15, 2024 at 4:03 am | #

    Glad the tension’s broken a bit. Can’t blame Joe for doing what he did originally, but lying can be a big deal depending on the partner & their life experience.

    Thankfully Joyce recognizes Joe didn’t do it maliciously & because he’s extremely worried. That said, I hope they do get the Serious Dicsussion out of the way sooner rather than later, its clear its gonna be needed before it gets more intimate.

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      August 15, 2024 at 7:26 am | #

      Can’t tell if “dic-sussion” is intentional joke or happy accidental joke.

      My headcanon posits the intention. 🙂

    • Mark
      Mark
      August 15, 2024 at 7:29 am | #

      I get the impression that Rational Joyce understood from the start, but this is a case of “I don’t want to walk away but my legs are doing it anyway, give me a minute or ten.”

  50. Acher4
    Acher4
    August 15, 2024 at 4:34 am | #

    A dick joke saves the day? 😛

  51. Josh Spicer
    Josh Spicer
    August 15, 2024 at 4:54 am | #

    God these two really are a shared brain cell at times.

  52. Da Boy
    Da Boy
    August 15, 2024 at 5:52 am | #

    Good thing she is at Kaguya’s level of comedy development.

  53. Michael Steamweed
    Michael Steamweed
    August 15, 2024 at 7:25 am | #

    “I’m not fragile”, she insists while holding her wrist and hand, clearly thinking of a time (and boy) long ago.

    • Jeremiah
      Jeremiah
      August 15, 2024 at 10:11 am | #

      That doesn’t mean she is fragile ffs. Having trauma responses doesn’t mean you break down at the slightest sign of trouble. This was a very specific situation.

    • JD
      JD
      August 15, 2024 at 2:07 pm | #

      wasn’t aware that only a few months at best was long enough to get over the trauma of getting roofied, threatened, and nearly sexually assaulted. it’s so crazy how how she’s still impacted by something that often takes people years to get over and she’s able to like, stand her ground and actually explain herself. weird, right. it’s almost like you don’t understand the difference between vulnerability and fragility. that’s so wild.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        August 15, 2024 at 2:49 pm | #

        It’s the word Joyce used. I’m not sure she’s making a nuanced distinction between fragile and vulnerable here. She’s using it to say “You don’t have to worry about ruining this because I’m not fragile”. You can’t counter that with “She’s vulnerable to this, but not actually fragile, so don’t worry about it.”

        • Jeremiah
          Jeremiah
          August 15, 2024 at 4:02 pm | #

          Okay, could you clarify who you are responding to because I actually confused about what you are trying to say here.

        • JD
          JD
          August 15, 2024 at 10:16 pm | #

          expressing vulnerability is not the same as being fragile – in other words, just because she is reacting strongly to a triggering situation does not mean she will shatter to pieces or is incapable of having a discussion about these things when they’re relevant or before they’re relevant. but that’s not really the point and you know it’s not.

  54. :0
    :0
    August 15, 2024 at 7:38 am | #

    Goals, honestly.
    This is probably the healthiest relationship in the whole webcomic so far

    • Jeremiah
      Jeremiah
      August 15, 2024 at 10:13 am | #

      They have tough competition with Dina/Becky and Danny/Sal.

  55. Adept
    Adept
    August 15, 2024 at 8:02 am | #

    Saved by the accidental dick joke.

  56. egon
    egon
    August 15, 2024 at 8:51 am | #

    now kith

  57. BorkBorkBork
    BorkBorkBork
    August 15, 2024 at 9:32 am | #

    We’ve come full circle, folks.

    https://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/03-men-are-from-beck-women-are-from-clark/penis/

  58. wakeangel2001
    wakeangel2001
    August 15, 2024 at 9:48 am | #

    this is one of the few times where subbing the word “penis” into the sentence actually DOES make it funnier

  59. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah
    August 15, 2024 at 9:59 am | #

    Healthy communication (and dick jokes) to the rescue!

  60. RonF
    RonF
    August 15, 2024 at 10:47 am | #

    Sex with her while she’s drunk – whether he’s drunk or not – is the worst thing that could happen between them right now. No one would believe he hadn’t taken advantage of her for self-gratification. Possibly including her.

    • Vulcanodon
      Vulcanodon
      August 15, 2024 at 12:30 pm | #

      Possibly, including himself! He saw this and opted out of that possibility.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      August 15, 2024 at 2:51 pm | #

      If she was actually fine with it after the fact, then I think it would have been fine. It’s her actually not being okay with it that has Joe worried.

      • RonF
        RonF
        August 15, 2024 at 4:01 pm | #

        The first time she actually has sex she’s going to go through an emotional crisis afterwards. Her being casually fine with it after the fact is not something that’s going to happen, I figure.

  61. Skychrono
    Skychrono
    August 15, 2024 at 10:48 am | #

    I’ll preorder the magnets of those last two panels now, thanks.

  62. zee
    zee
    August 15, 2024 at 11:04 am | #

    Yeah they’re fine

  63. Nothri
    Nothri
    August 15, 2024 at 2:13 pm | #

    You know, I keep forgetting that when it comes to having a sincere honest relationship with someone Joe is more or less just as naive and confused as Joyce is. He knows a lot about sex and pleasure, but he’s never had much experience with the rest of it.

    All things considered, he’s doing really well with this whole “sincerity and communication” thing. Not only is he explaining himself, he’s also telling her his personal anxieties and what boundaries he’s struggling with in an evolving relationship. He’s doing well.

    I’d like it if he and Sarah could clear the air here, though. I feel like she made the worst assumption about what he was doing possible and all but accused him of planning something awful.

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      August 15, 2024 at 2:24 pm | #

      I don’t think that’s necessarily what Sarah was doing. She has a habit of not volunteering to keep other people’s secrets. Maybe she just doesn’t ever want to be on the receiving end of “You knew? why didn’t you tell me?” when nobody even asked her to keep something secret.
      https://www.dumbingofage.com/effin/

    • Dday
      Dday
      August 15, 2024 at 3:03 pm | #

      I’m not a huge fan of the way Joyce was trying to pressure Joe to be drunk and… physically amorous when he was clearly not comfortable with this. I’m more on his side here, though he should have been strong enough to just put his foot down and tell Joyce directly.

      All that said, there was a pretty important falsehood floating between them and its way better in the long run that Sarah popped that bubble before it got any bigger. No stable relationship is built on lies and secrets.

      • Nymph
        Nymph
        August 15, 2024 at 6:08 pm | #

        I swear some people here read a different comic than I do.

    • Amós Batista
      Amós Batista
      August 15, 2024 at 3:04 pm | #

      “He knows a lot about sex and pleasure, but he’s never had much experience with the rest of it”
      Is it possible to skip the rest of relationships (even with friends) and jump straight to sex? Not only necessarily talking about alosexuallity, but not having friendship even with same-sex persons, after all…

      • Nothri
        Nothri
        August 15, 2024 at 3:40 pm | #

        I can’t recall many relationships Joe has demonstrably been in aside from Danny that were more than one night stands and booty calls. Not many he’s on good terms with.

        • JR
          JR
          August 15, 2024 at 5:47 pm | #

          Jacob was his “new main man” towards the start of the semester, and they’re still buds with an interest in each others’ love lives.

      • BorkBorkBork
        BorkBorkBork
        August 15, 2024 at 5:11 pm | #

        Oh, 100%. I grew as a male in the 90s, and early Joe strikes me as a 90s-era dude. In that, the male friends that you have are really glorified acquaintances. You might hang with them, you might have the same interests, root for the same team, go to the same parties, agree that the same girls are 10s and 2s, but have z-e-r-o idea of who they are otherwise and what makes them tick.

        To the above mindset? Men do not share “feelings”. Men do not get “emotional.” Especially not to other men. Men are tough, men are strong, men don’t get “emotional” and cry like little kids.

        Danny is the oddity, because Danny and Joe were friends before Joe threw up those walls. And it’s clear from the early strips that Joe is uncomfortable with that closeness, and that any sharing of personal details is one way from Danny to Joe. He treats Danny more like a liability or nuisance than a friend or confidant.

        And if he didn’t learn actual friendship from his actual friends, where else would he learn it from? Family? Haaaa.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          August 15, 2024 at 5:42 pm | #

          Yeesh, that brand of masculinity sounds lonely and exhausting.

          • shrub
            shrub
            August 15, 2024 at 6:05 pm | #

            Not as exhausting than dealing with everything going on with Joyce and her friends

            • Nymph
              Nymph
              August 15, 2024 at 6:09 pm | #

              Okay, so don’t then.

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              August 15, 2024 at 9:43 pm | #

              What does that have to do with anything?

  64. Waffliesinyoface
    Waffliesinyoface
    August 15, 2024 at 6:48 pm | #

    i! want! them! to! kiss!!!

  65. Doug D
    Doug D
    August 15, 2024 at 8:57 pm | #

    “These crazy kids are gonna be okay.”

  66. Yumi
    Yumi
    August 15, 2024 at 10:58 pm | #

    Joyce isn’t fragile, and Joe knows this and her resilience is one of the things he loves about her. But not being fragile doesn’t mean you don’t have triggers or can’t get hurt, and Joe is terrified of hurting her and ruining what they have. When she says she’s not fragile, he doesn’t disagree; it’s that his concern isn’t her fragility. She sees might see his actions as an attempt to coddle her, and that’s not what she wants, and does connect back to her upbringing where decisions were made for her so frequently.

  67. poyo
    poyo
    August 16, 2024 at 3:23 pm | #

    god …… i love them so much …..

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