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Somethin’ about that’s always’d bugged me: If they get ya, an’ ya go back in time, could you change history? Off the top of my head are JFK, WW1 or 2, and/or inventing stuff waaay before they were logically s’posed to, like a 1920’s iPod. Hell, why don’t people volunteer to get zapped and just get rich off future info like in Back to the Future?
Due to the nature of Doctor Who, and the nature of the angels, you most likely couldn’t. The angels feed off of possibility. So, I guess, it isn’t well explained, but I’m guessing that you are put in the exact spot where you can affect things the least. Like a balloon bursting, the air escapes out of the weakest point. You go to the point where you’re potential is the lowest.
people can send messages and interact with the world around them so they can change events, but they don’t live the lives they were going to thus the loss of what could have been. Time for them becomes a fixed point relatively speaking because they were locked into what is the past from their perspective
Marathon Doctor Who and some of what they said will make sense.
Mainly the context of Weeping Angels (recurring whovian monstrosities),
the time-travel portion?
It has conflicting sets of physics (so watch it enough that you could tell *me* if they had sufficient universe-hopping to validate plural mutually-exclusive time-travel mechanics, then someone will know *if* whovian time-travel makes any sense)
The Weeping Angels are aliens in Doctor Who that appear as statues if you look at them, but if you don’t for even just a moment (“Don’t even blink!”), they come alive and kill you (sometimes by teleporting you back in time). There are these cute “Monster Files” vids on Youtube (a DVD special, I guess?), that might explain a bit.
I can also really recommend watching episode 3×10 “Blink” – the 1st time the Angels appear. It’s a very unusual (and very good) Dr. Who episode, completely beside the season storyline, and it’s fun even completely out of context.
The Weeping Angels only appear in 3 episodes, and everything but their core property (being unable to move when you look at them) was completely changed the second time around, and then back again. And even within one version, they aren’t logically consistent. Since DW is a prime example of soft fiction, I really wouldn’t bother trying to explain it. ^^
As a lifelong Whovian, my succinct definition of how time-travel works in that universe is “it functions on refined handwavium, a touch of retcon, and some ad-hoc bullshitting.”
Well, actually, tampering with the timeline has the whole issue of huge paradoxes, such as when Rose saved her dad that one time. Then of course, you would alert the Doctor to any disturbances that you create with your interference, and thus he stops you, and it’s all over.
The important stuff in the whoniverse is “fixed” anyway (and only timelords can tell them apart) – some things will always happen one way or the other, no matter how you try to change them. And telling people you know stuff because you are from the future surely works, right?
Yep, time travel doesn’t make sense, and as the Commander once said, “A watched cheetah never bevels.” Why? Because if you think about time travel, it doesn’t work, but it you think about how a cheetah can or can’t bevel, it works perfectly fine.
You could change history about as much as any Dr Who episode ever. I mean, the show is about time traveling, both backwards and forwards. It’s addressed many times that history takes place as it should. It’s the how and the other details that can be changed.
Arguably, simply being sent back in time would be enough to change history.
Seriously, Dr. Who, Back to the Future, or Even Futurama, there is no more fertile sci-fi high-concept soil than time travel.
OR…
The Weeping Angels are simply one of the worst ideas ever written into the Dr Who mythology. Yeah, I said it. They make no sense from a physics standpoint and as a plot device they’re a complete ass-pull.
Well, more complaining about suspension of disbelief. I know a lot of Dr Who falls apart under a microscope (so do most sci-fi shows). BUT- as long as I don’t stop in the middle of an episode and shout “What?!” at the TV, I’m okay with the ‘wibbley-wobbley, timey-whimey crap’. The Angels, though, didn’t make sense on any level from the very beginning. This isn’t a Dr Who forum, however, so I don’t think we need to spend three pages debating villain design.
I don’t think I mean what you seem to think I mean. I’m saying I don’t think she’s going to be doing much in the immediate-term aside from beating herself up, mentally. I know that expression she’s got. I know how it felt to be convinced that you’re entirely broken, worthless, even dangerous to the people around you – such that you try to flee or avoid the people who love you, because you think that’s the kindest thing you can do for them. That’s where Amber looks like she is.
Hey, we’ve got that in common, anyway. The avatar as well as the experience with friends. No harm done, and no apology needed. I didn’t want anyone thinking that I’d refer to self-harm in such a casual way.
I agree with the “beating herself up mentally” assessment. She is being forced to pull both her boxes out into the open and take inventory, and then dispose of the things that are toxic. And that’s going to be a tough row to hoe.
But who is Amber’s roommate? Dina, who is somewhat of a loner and misfit herself (been there myself so it’s easy for me to recognize). Maybe this is the long-awaited Dina-centric arc coming up as Dina comes to Amber’s aid and displays a depth of concern and understanding that we had no idea existed within her.
Batman wears tights and trunks. So really he’s never wearing pants.
If I were him I’d use that fact to make criminals uncomfortable. Just sneak up behind then and whisper “I’m not wearing any pants” with that trademark Batman growl.
Do any superheroes? Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, Iron Man… No pants.
All I can think of is The Hulk and his tear into shorts every time he gets pissed. Where the Hell does Bruce Banner keep getting purple pants?
It depends? A lot of ‘street clothes heroes’ wear pants of some sort. I mean the ones who’ve gotten a bit rebooted and tend to wear “edgier” or more “normal” clothes than the big elaborate costumes.
And technically Wonder Woman did for a bit there because all the fanboys lost their **** that she put pants on.
Got to say, If your saying Danny somehow Dan’d this in any way, you may need to ask a fellow member of your party to try a perception check on this one. From where I am standing, Dan, did no Danning of any sort during this. o_o
Just plain disagree. Since the smackdown placed on Blaine, Danny has handled things in at least an acceptable manner considering the circumstances, and probably better than most of the characters could have been expected to.
And, you know, tell a distraught person she was overreacting, because that always works. You know what else also works? Telling someone who is trying to share their deepest and darkest feelings that “We’ll talk about it some other time”.
I hope she is just leaving for now and not wussing out entirely on talking to him. I say that as someone who is as big an Amber fan as they come, probably, she’s my favorite character. Just hoping she can confront her issues head on like she did her father.
I think she will talk to Danny, in time, and even work through her rage issues. She’s already taking the first steps in this scene — which means her next move will probably be to kill some spiders and avoid her issues for a bit. But that’s ok! She’s still making progress. You can do it, Amber!
I doubt Blaine is a ninja. He just got his ass kicked so hard his halitosis smells like fart.
If Amber’s mom is a ninja that’d be a pretty cool twist. Though I doubt a ninja would put up with an abusive husband for long. Instead of divorce, she’d just swing her katana, there’d be a flash of light, and then Blain would suddenly fall apart.
When I saw the last panel, I suddenly had a visual of “has Danny been imagining Amazi girl the whole time?”
I doubt though that this is what Willis intended ( at least I think so). @_@
I’m hopelessly too far out of it. The only “Starbuck” I know is either from “Moby Dick” or the character played by Dirk Benedict in the old “Battlestar Galactica” TV series.
And it’s raining. I mean, I know rain has symbolic redemptive qualities and all, but I still feel like it won’t hurt to delay the complicated emotional discussions until after you’ve gotten inside and found some dry clothes and a towel.
When Batman pulls this trick, there’s usually a frame of Commissioner Gordon in close-up, so we know Batman has at least the amount of time that it takes to read his word balloon to get away.
But that trick is for BABIES. Amber flees the entire area in the time it takes your eyes to cross the PANEL BORDERS.
Maybe, also, some privacy? I mean, there is literally no part of this conversation that you want overheard.
Also, if she’s going to run off, maybe, circumspectly, ask Ethan and Mike what they know about this. Flip a coin to figure out if you should get Mike drunk first.
I’m not all that familiar with the IU campus, but I’m guessing that this bridge is located in the Arboretum, which is behind the library building where she gave Dorothy and Walky the slip by zip-lining to the top of the truck. If I’m right, then they are at least a couple of miles away from the parking lot where Blaine received his beatdown.
And just as an aside, Willis, this comic has been going on for over three years now, and your backgrounds are so detailed that there is no doubt this is set in Bloomington. Has there ever been any correspondence or “push-back” by the powers that be at IU, concerned that depicting a tyrannical, alcoholic RA like Ruth, or a TA banging a student for an implied grading favor, or some of the other shenanigans that have gone on so far would be reflecting poorly on the University?
Quick Danny, it’s time for you to go where she can’t hide. It’s time to get a World of Williscraft account. Then look her up on the WoW armory, where you can do searches for character names like “Amazi-Pally”.
Dan? Don’t take it personally. Amber’s got a lot on her mind, and she’s going off to sort it out. She wasn’t listening carefully to you because she’s preoccupied. It’s not about you.
Hitting yourself in the head with a hammer can make you feel better. All you have to do is stop. Mike can be like that.
But to answer your question, I think in this case it’s because of Amber/Mike shipping.
Now, can you name me a single case where interaction with Mike has made things worse in the long run. I can point to things where he’s improved things whether it was his intent or not. Say getting Walky and Dorothy together.
It may have been vicious (and subjecting yourself to it may be like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer) but it may also be something she needs to consider.
Amber really doesn’t need to consider that she’s just like her father, because a) she’s already tormented by that idea and b) it’s not true. Amber needs someone to help her with the problems that she actually has, not encourage her to think that she’s just like her abuser.
Anyone that has been following Ridereyu’s posts on this arc as I have will probably notice the hatred Ridereyu has for Danny. Like all arbitrary hatred, it doesn’t make sense to me. It seems that Ridereyu has taken the essence of the “danning it up” bandwagon and mixed it with some sort of misandry. Why Ridereyu has singled out Danny for this antipathy I cannot say, but I can say that it is undeserved.
Ridereyu, at every turn you have called for Danny to stop his course of action or be stopped through violence. He mistakenly trusted Blaine, but that is the extent of blameworthy actions he has taken. There is nothing that Danny has done to hurt Amazi-Amber, or to control her, or to put his desires before her needs. Your violent rage against Danny is keeping you from seeing him as a person, and were this real life I can only think that you would be sending Danny death threats. This is not a good course of action, because it treats other people as if they are not people. You are a person, and you can only control your own actions. You cannot control Danny or any other person, because you are not Danny or any other person.
I’d considered that, and it would certainly be easier to accept than believing Ridereyu is in earnest. But I’m not going to just laugh it off, because even if its parody, I still know people that would be swayed by the message held in the words.
And so while others have communicated the folly of the “daning it up” meme, I must communicate the folly of Ridereyu’s communication, be it “parody” or otherwise.
As we all know from watching the second episode of CSI, people take off there glasses when they throw themselves off of things, not put them on. And, we all know that they never make up, or exaggerate anything on that show.
LMAO-
I didn’t say you were too chickenshit to do anything!
I said that deleting someone’s comments for just bein generally disagreeable or stupid would be, pointing out that you AREN’T that way. Normally it doesn’t seem like you wield the deletion hammer unless someone is being directly abusive (and not in our normal tongue in cheek way), or if it’s damned funny, but you would be well within your rights to do so cause it’s YOUR house.
The rest of us non Willis types can bongo about someone’s comments but we should stop short of saying STFU and don’t post here, all of us have the same right to be idiots. Besides that sit down and shut up approach has 0 effectiveness wrt educating the person poster that’s bein insensitive or stupid.
Of course if I was world dictator shipping all idiots to an island would be a priority, at least until I realized there isn’t an island that can hold 6.8 billion idiots and that I’m scheduled for the first boat.
Wait. Did Danny just realize that Amazi-Girl is just a figment of his imagination? She’s his Tyler Durden, and he just went all Fight Club on Blaine himself?
It’s beginning to look like Willis got tired of all the Danny-hate and decided to have him finally grow up. If that’s the case, I want to go on record as the one who called it ^^
Cuz it’s impossible Willis plans anything in advance. I’m pretty sure the way his characters behave is based on the story he’s come up with a long time ago, not petty response to fan-hate.
I mean, seriously, he has a three month buffer. He never let us see Sal’s hand so we wouldn’t know she’d been stabbed in it. We’ve never seen Ethan or Amber interact with Sal. He gradually revealed the robbery incident in those red flashback panels over years. He isn’t doing this shiz spur of the moment, yo.
A technical question for the great and mighty Willis. Do you draw story arcs and then cut them and arrange them for publication (Amber vs Blaine) or do you draw them in the order appear in? I imagine it is much more complicated than that, with advanced story outlines, storyboards and such, so the question really has to do with final/semifinal drafts.
I don’t know how she feels about sex with him per se, but she’s given every indication that she wanted to date him in her normal identity, which is presumably the good box.
Also, I think a lot of the trouble she’s been going through with Danny is because she’s been trying to salvage that from Amazi-Girl’s box and put it back in Amber’s, so she doesn’t just keep losing pieces of Amber to Amazi-Girl until there’s nothing left of Amber but a disguise that Amazi-Girl sometimes wears.
I haven’t seen anyone else mention this, sorry if someone else beat me to it but, uh, I’m a little confused by the fact she put on her glasses. I assumed that she used contacts for Amazi-Girl. Does she just not have a very bad prescription? I’m the same way- I could wear my glasses all the time, or only wear them when I have to read things far away, and be okay. I’m just a little surprised that she would be AG without perfect vision, that seems a touch more dangerous.
Oooh!!! That should totally be a stretch goal in the next Kickstarter! An alt-universe mini-series with Amber/Amazigirl having gone fully supervillain! Who would end up being her hero foil? Maybe that’s the way Danny could finally redeem himself! He’ll could be the Superman to her Lex Luthor! Sexy superhero/supervillain shenanigans! We already have the Jimmy Olsen character, Lois Lane character and others! Please, please, consider some form of this as a stretch goal, Willis!
Wow, Cragalanch feels really sorry for Danny. After offering to help her when the dust has settled, only to find she’s not there, he must feel like he hasn’t helped her enough to truly make up for the fact that he was an oblivious dipsh- er, Danny. Makes him more relatable to Cragalanch, like when I tried to make up for the fact that the angel (who shall remain unnamed) kicked the hole in my rear so hard I didn’t wake up for a week. Viridi still hasn’t forgivin Cragalanch for his stupidity.
Seconding this. Honestly, the way you did the strips is much, much better and more satisfying than the original ideas. Don’t get me wrong, they were not bad, but like you said, they don’t feel quite right for this. You knocked it way out of the park with the final product.
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Don’t blink.
Too late, now he’s Weeping Angel food!
Somethin’ about that’s always’d bugged me: If they get ya, an’ ya go back in time, could you change history? Off the top of my head are JFK, WW1 or 2, and/or inventing stuff waaay before they were logically s’posed to, like a 1920’s iPod. Hell, why don’t people volunteer to get zapped and just get rich off future info like in Back to the Future?
Maybe they DID! Cars weren’t supposed to be invented until 1972.
Due to the nature of Doctor Who, and the nature of the angels, you most likely couldn’t. The angels feed off of possibility. So, I guess, it isn’t well explained, but I’m guessing that you are put in the exact spot where you can affect things the least. Like a balloon bursting, the air escapes out of the weakest point. You go to the point where you’re potential is the lowest.
Grammar.
Also, in the Whonivers time kinda has a mind of it’s own, and will bend events to ensure all the really important things happen anyway.
people can send messages and interact with the world around them so they can change events, but they don’t live the lives they were going to thus the loss of what could have been. Time for them becomes a fixed point relatively speaking because they were locked into what is the past from their perspective
I am so confused by this entire conversation. Danny is crying angel food cake? What?
Marathon Doctor Who and some of what they said will make sense.
Mainly the context of Weeping Angels (recurring whovian monstrosities),
the time-travel portion?
It has conflicting sets of physics (so watch it enough that you could tell *me* if they had sufficient universe-hopping to validate plural mutually-exclusive time-travel mechanics, then someone will know *if* whovian time-travel makes any sense)
The Weeping Angels are aliens in Doctor Who that appear as statues if you look at them, but if you don’t for even just a moment (“Don’t even blink!”), they come alive and kill you (sometimes by teleporting you back in time). There are these cute “Monster Files” vids on Youtube (a DVD special, I guess?), that might explain a bit.
I can also really recommend watching episode 3×10 “Blink” – the 1st time the Angels appear. It’s a very unusual (and very good) Dr. Who episode, completely beside the season storyline, and it’s fun even completely out of context.
The Weeping Angels only appear in 3 episodes, and everything but their core property (being unable to move when you look at them) was completely changed the second time around, and then back again. And even within one version, they aren’t logically consistent. Since DW is a prime example of soft fiction, I really wouldn’t bother trying to explain it. ^^
As a lifelong Whovian, my succinct definition of how time-travel works in that universe is “it functions on refined handwavium, a touch of retcon, and some ad-hoc bullshitting.”
Well, actually, tampering with the timeline has the whole issue of huge paradoxes, such as when Rose saved her dad that one time. Then of course, you would alert the Doctor to any disturbances that you create with your interference, and thus he stops you, and it’s all over.
The important stuff in the whoniverse is “fixed” anyway (and only timelords can tell them apart) – some things will always happen one way or the other, no matter how you try to change them. And telling people you know stuff because you are from the future surely works, right?
Funny thing, I just read “The man who came early”, Poul Anderson, yesterday. It is a good descontruction of ‘time-traveller-is-like-a-god’ idea.
Blink was one of the only episode that used stable time loops, so from its perspective, probably not.
But really time travel in Dr. Who makes zero sense and you shouldn’t think about it too hard.
Well, it’s all just a ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey… stuff.
Yep, time travel doesn’t make sense, and as the Commander once said, “A watched cheetah never bevels.” Why? Because if you think about time travel, it doesn’t work, but it you think about how a cheetah can or can’t bevel, it works perfectly fine.
You could change history about as much as any Dr Who episode ever. I mean, the show is about time traveling, both backwards and forwards. It’s addressed many times that history takes place as it should. It’s the how and the other details that can be changed.
Arguably, simply being sent back in time would be enough to change history.
Seriously, Dr. Who, Back to the Future, or Even Futurama, there is no more fertile sci-fi high-concept soil than time travel.
Why? I don’t see any statues anywhere nearby.
That’s because they blinked!
OR…
The Weeping Angels are simply one of the worst ideas ever written into the Dr Who mythology. Yeah, I said it. They make no sense from a physics standpoint and as a plot device they’re a complete ass-pull.
Wait.
You’re complaining about PHYSICS in DR WHO?
Well, more complaining about suspension of disbelief. I know a lot of Dr Who falls apart under a microscope (so do most sci-fi shows). BUT- as long as I don’t stop in the middle of an episode and shout “What?!” at the TV, I’m okay with the ‘wibbley-wobbley, timey-whimey crap’. The Angels, though, didn’t make sense on any level from the very beginning. This isn’t a Dr Who forum, however, so I don’t think we need to spend three pages debating villain design.
Blame Moffat. That’s what I do.
Ah man.
“Cliffs notes on my girlfriend: she’s basically Batman.”
Sal and Amber have more in common than you’d think.
When they realize that, they’ll fall in love.
I like the way you think.
By love, you mean Foe Yay hate sex right?
It does seem to be a popular thing with Sal.
All I can hear in my head now is the Adam West Batman Theme segueing into cheesy porn music…
…
Da na na na na na na na Bom Chicka Wowow…
So… Sal is Catwoman?
I can buy that.
And Mike is Joker.
Ethan is Two-Face? ‘Double’ life, is/used to be the best friend.
Buttman & Throbbin’
I feel like requesting Sal and Marcie was a mistake! …one I will fix if such a prize is offered again ;D
Sal and Marcie are never a mistake.
BUT I ONLY GOT TO CHOOSE TWO
…
=C
I though Sal was amazi-girl though?
Spoilers – http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/75936621644/spoilers
Danny will walk back to Sal in rage and demand that she takes on the amazi-girl mantle to atone for what she did in the past.
Sal will become a darker and angstier new Amazi-Girl before Amber notices the mess she does of it and returns to reclaim her cowl.
After going on a time travelling adventure with Dina first of course.
That… that sounds like exactly the sort of mess that Marvel or DC would actually write.
They did.
It is both funny and sad.
AmaziFall
No, wait, I got it.
Amazrael.
Like taste in knives?
Oh, Amber.
I bet she’s going after Sal.
I think the only person she’s going to be hurting in the near future is herself.
well, you win the award for darkest fucking comment.
I don’t think I mean what you seem to think I mean. I’m saying I don’t think she’s going to be doing much in the immediate-term aside from beating herself up, mentally. I know that expression she’s got. I know how it felt to be convinced that you’re entirely broken, worthless, even dangerous to the people around you – such that you try to flee or avoid the people who love you, because you think that’s the kindest thing you can do for them. That’s where Amber looks like she is.
There. Now which comment is darkest?
Mine, apparently.
Sincerest apologies for misinterpreting your comment. I have friends who’ve had issues with self-harm, so I’m a little hyper-sensitive to such issues.
Also, the Mary gravatar makes everything I type seem really hyper-judgmental.
Hey, we’ve got that in common, anyway. The avatar as well as the experience with friends. No harm done, and no apology needed.
I didn’t want anyone thinking that I’d refer to self-harm in such a casual way.
I agree with the “beating herself up mentally” assessment. She is being forced to pull both her boxes out into the open and take inventory, and then dispose of the things that are toxic. And that’s going to be a tough row to hoe.
But who is Amber’s roommate? Dina, who is somewhat of a loner and misfit herself (been there myself so it’s easy for me to recognize). Maybe this is the long-awaited Dina-centric arc coming up as Dina comes to Amber’s aid and displays a depth of concern and understanding that we had no idea existed within her.
Amber: Want me to make your hands match, Sal?!
Oh no! Amber’s glasses took her with them, when they were drawn to Dorothy
“I however, most definitely am”
I bet Batman never disappeared on Gordan when he wasn’t wearing pants.
Batman wears tights and trunks. So really he’s never wearing pants.
If I were him I’d use that fact to make criminals uncomfortable. Just sneak up behind then and whisper “I’m not wearing any pants” with that trademark Batman growl.
“I’m Batman and I can fight crime without pants”
It’s been a tough day and this thread makes me smile
“In fact, I prefer to fight crime without pants. It’s much rarer to see me fighting crime with pants.”
BECAUSE I’M BATMAN.
If Batman can breath in space, he can sure as Hell fight without pants on.
I fought Superman to a draw.
Twice.
Nobody questions my style choices.
Well to be fair, Superman doesn’t wear pants either.
Do any superheroes? Wonder Woman, The Flash, Green Lantern, Spider-Man, Iron Man… No pants.
All I can think of is The Hulk and his tear into shorts every time he gets pissed. Where the Hell does Bruce Banner keep getting purple pants?
It depends? A lot of ‘street clothes heroes’ wear pants of some sort. I mean the ones who’ve gotten a bit rebooted and tend to wear “edgier” or more “normal” clothes than the big elaborate costumes.
And technically Wonder Woman did for a bit there because all the fanboys lost their **** that she put pants on.
Other than the nipple suit.
That. Was. Horrid.
Batman: “I’m not wearing hockey pants. Or any other kind of pants.”
Wait…is it batman or Gordon who isn’t wearing the pants in this scenario?
Neither.
Also, I think it’s normally referred to as “slashfic”.
Made me LOL – thanks!
No, he APPEARS in front of Gordon not wearing any pants.
Interesting clothing change.
It’s not like she can find a phonebooth anywhere nearby.
And she in no state of mind to spin around rapidly.
Come on Amber! Really, I’m disappointed in you
So I guess here goes, ahem, Damn You, uh what’s the next part, ah right, Willis!!!
GOD DAMMIT AMBER!!!
Danned it up again, Danny…
Respectfully disagree.
How?
Got to say, If your saying Danny somehow Dan’d this in any way, you may need to ask a fellow member of your party to try a perception check on this one. From where I am standing, Dan, did no Danning of any sort during this. o_o
Just plain disagree. Since the smackdown placed on Blaine, Danny has handled things in at least an acceptable manner considering the circumstances, and probably better than most of the characters could have been expected to.
Probably better than I would.
Seriously, wtf? I’m not exactly known for my favorable attitude towards Danny, but the only thing he did wrong here was take his eyes off Amber for a fraction of a second.
And for that, he must burn at the steak!
…nah, JUST KIDDING!!!
What ? But I’ve already lit mine on fire. I can’t let this perfectly fine stake go to waste !
Oh well, maybe I could put Blaine on it instead …
Uuuuh, yeah! I want mine medium rare!
wait… yeah… i am thinking about steak….
I´m hungry
sorry
In Soviet Russia, steak barbecues you!
And, you know, tell a distraught person she was overreacting, because that always works. You know what else also works? Telling someone who is trying to share their deepest and darkest feelings that “We’ll talk about it some other time”.
In short, Danny Dan’d it up like he always does.
They’re on the run from the cops. This is not exactly conducive to a soul-revealing conversation.
And this is when Danny realizes that Amber was his alternate personality the whole time!
The good news is, that means he has at least one.
Everybody’s Faz’s alternate personality.
Fazathoth?
I sense the idea driving me to the brink of madness, so yes, probably.
Now that he’s embraced the Amber side, he can finally be true to himself and take the reigns as Amazi-girl.
*insert Fight Club quote here
Batman nothing. That was a freaking Flash move.
I think you mean Robin. No, not that Robin. Our (other) Robin.
I hope she is just leaving for now and not wussing out entirely on talking to him. I say that as someone who is as big an Amber fan as they come, probably, she’s my favorite character. Just hoping she can confront her issues head on like she did her father.
I think she will talk to Danny, in time, and even work through her rage issues. She’s already taking the first steps in this scene — which means her next move will probably be to kill some spiders and avoid her issues for a bit. But that’s ok! She’s still making progress. You can do it, Amber!
Amazi-suit + flannel hoodie + heavy rain + cardio level vigilante = ow ow ow ow ow ow ow
amber ; – ;
“……..Shit I gave that random girl my DS.”
She looks like a decent enough girl. I’m sure she’ll give it back.
“… but i know for sure that this girl is Billie’s roommate, so she’s not random at all!”
Waitaminute… Wasn’t her Amazigirl costume on under her normal clothes? How cold is it?
Maybe all her normal clothes are reversable into amazi-girl costumes.
No, her Amazi-Girl costume was over her normal clothes. She keeps the costume in her backpack when she’s not wearing it.
No her amazigirl costume was between her normal cloths, she wears it in layers, so all transformation scenes can spontaneously be strip teases.
So she’s like an onion?
Or an ogre.
Or a parfait. everybody likes parfaits.
And then it turns out Blaine is the Master.
But Blaine looks nothing like John Simm.
which is fine as John looks and acts nothing like the master.
I can see it in moments of what they were trying to do with The Master, but with all due respect to Mr. Simms the Master persona needs some tweaking.
Maybe I’m a little too Classic Who, but I miss Roger and Anthony
A Master without the classic evil beard just isn’t right somehow.
Captain Blaine: The Game Master.
Ouch.
She fell off the bridge, didn’t she?
Willis practically drew an arrow in that last panel, so maybe.
I think that’s just a water drop.
At least she didn’t have a bridge fall on her.
Love the hammer queen avatar!
There is only one Hammer Queen, and that doesn’t look like EGS art. Though I guess she has recently given up the title…
All hail SUSAN! The one true Hammer Queen!
All hail the mistress of the grump!
Amber, you gotta think outside the box!
What kind of box? Cardboard Box?
Because if so…she would do better thinking inside it!
Dammit, Danny! Why didn’t you take the Paragon interrupt and hug her?
If Danny ever tried, he would Dan it up and use the Renegade interrupt instead. And he would Dan that up too.
You should tag the comic with “Amazi-girl?” and “Amber?”
Perhaps “Ambazi-ger”
Fear the mighty Amazi-badger!
Amber is starting overaught intricate metaphor! She is becoming an anime.
That comment mad me think about Amber/Amazi-Girl piloting the Amazi-Gundam.
I would watch that.
Maybe that could be the follow up to Build Fighters! But would Amber be Sei and China’s kid or Reiji and Alia’s?
Wait…. is Amber’s mom or dad a ninja? Is she half-ninja?
Cause she seems half-ninja.
I doubt Blaine is a ninja. He just got his ass kicked so hard his halitosis smells like fart.
If Amber’s mom is a ninja that’d be a pretty cool twist. Though I doubt a ninja would put up with an abusive husband for long. Instead of divorce, she’d just swing her katana, there’d be a flash of light, and then Blain would suddenly fall apart.
One of her enemies brainwashed her and set her in Blaine’s path, knowing it would be a fate worth than death. Just your standard comics backstory.
Aren’t ninjas ninjas because they can have *no* katanas?
Yes, they can have *no* katanas today.
Roxxie Richter?
Ah I see. So Amber went into Subspace.
Gol darn it, Amber. Now you’re Danning it up.
When I saw the last panel, I suddenly had a visual of “has Danny been imagining Amazi girl the whole time?”
I doubt though that this is what Willis intended ( at least I think so). @_@
SHE’S STARBUCK
WHOA
/keanureevesvoice
I’m hopelessly too far out of it. The only “Starbuck” I know is either from “Moby Dick” or the character played by Dirk Benedict in the old “Battlestar Galactica” TV series.
The good news is that you only need to catch up on the “new” Battlestar Galactica TV series. (Cough*Hulu*Cough).
Or Netflix.
Wait, are we talking about the Moby Dick character, the Battlestar Galatica character(s), or the coffee shop?
There’s Amazi-Girl here. And there’s the Amazi-Girl across the street.
You deserve an internet. Here, have one from me.
So Amber is a cylon? Or possibly a small island in the Pacific?
Amazi-Girl is Amber. And Amber is Starbuck.
What we need to see is a little pole sticking out of the water that she’s breathing through.
Amazi-snorkel
Screw that, she uses the Amazi-Submarine.
“The water’s like 3 inches deep. I can totally see you.”
“No you can’t.”
And it’s raining. I mean, I know rain has symbolic redemptive qualities and all, but I still feel like it won’t hurt to delay the complicated emotional discussions until after you’ve gotten inside and found some dry clothes and a towel.
When Batman pulls this trick, there’s usually a frame of Commissioner Gordon in close-up, so we know Batman has at least the amount of time that it takes to read his word balloon to get away.
But that trick is for BABIES. Amber flees the entire area in the time it takes your eyes to cross the PANEL BORDERS.
It’s for BABIES because of object permanence!
BABY EYES!
I agree, Amber disappearing like that is totally babies.
D’oh!
RIP Amber.
Plot twist, Amber never existed and Amazi-Girl is Danny’s alter.
Maybe, also, some privacy? I mean, there is literally no part of this conversation that you want overheard.
Also, if she’s going to run off, maybe, circumspectly, ask Ethan and Mike what they know about this. Flip a coin to figure out if you should get Mike drunk first.
It’s late, it is pouring rain, and do you see anyone anywhere near them? I think there is plenty of privacy.
“Wait, so am I Lois Lane, or Commissioner Gordon?”
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Danny says “Yeah, I remember” in the first panel?
No one remembers.
Presumably because it’s a known fact that Danny’s aware: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/petting/
Ah man! Totally forgot about that comic. My Dumbing of Age knowledge is slipping.
But that may have changed in the meantime!
Because now AMAZI-GIRL IS ALWAYS PREPARED FOR…ANYTHING!
Exactly what I was thinking!
I remember.
Rabbit (above) beat me to the link, Willis, you can delete these at your convenience.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
It actually fits this storyline kinda well.
So that’s what she meant by compartmentalizing. I’m a bit confused. Gonna have to read that a few times
Way to Dan it up… Amber?
Am I doing this right? That sounded off… Well, at least she’s doing it with style.
I’m waiting for him to realize he gave his DS to a complete stranger.
I suspect he has realised, it’s just not THAT important at the moment.
I’d like to point out that the whole “disappearing completely when they look away” thing is really hard. I just make it look easy.
Because I’m Batman.
I’m not all that familiar with the IU campus, but I’m guessing that this bridge is located in the Arboretum, which is behind the library building where she gave Dorothy and Walky the slip by zip-lining to the top of the truck. If I’m right, then they are at least a couple of miles away from the parking lot where Blaine received his beatdown.
And just as an aside, Willis, this comic has been going on for over three years now, and your backgrounds are so detailed that there is no doubt this is set in Bloomington. Has there ever been any correspondence or “push-back” by the powers that be at IU, concerned that depicting a tyrannical, alcoholic RA like Ruth, or a TA banging a student for an implied grading favor, or some of the other shenanigans that have gone on so far would be reflecting poorly on the University?
He’s answered this on his tumblr, no such thing has happened.
I don’t like today’s strip. AMBEERRRR
*ahem*
I got a feelin’
That you could be feelin’
A whole lot better than you feel today
You say you got a problem
Well, that’s no problem
It’s super easy not to feel that way
When you start to get confused
*shot*
Because of thoughts in your head
Don’t feel those feelings
Hold them in insteeeeeaaaaad…
She totally batmaned him
What do you hear Amber?
Quick Danny, it’s time for you to go where she can’t hide. It’s time to get a World of Williscraft account. Then look her up on the WoW armory, where you can do searches for character names like “Amazi-Pally”.
Dan? Don’t take it personally. Amber’s got a lot on her mind, and she’s going off to sort it out. She wasn’t listening carefully to you because she’s preoccupied. It’s not about you.
Amber? Go to Mike. Mike will make it all better.
Why does everyone keep using the words ‘Mike’ & ‘better’ in the same sentence? These are mutually exclusive concepts.
Hitting yourself in the head with a hammer can make you feel better. All you have to do is stop. Mike can be like that.
But to answer your question, I think in this case it’s because of Amber/Mike shipping.
Now, can you name me a single case where interaction with Mike has made things worse in the long run. I can point to things where he’s improved things whether it was his intent or not. Say getting Walky and Dorothy together.
If you include the Walkyverse? Dina.
Yes, Mike spoke with Amber, he made things so much better for her!
–I meant to say “the last time Mike spoke with Amber”.
(Seriously, that’s a really vicious thing Mike says in that strip, and the last thing Amber needs right now.)
It may have been vicious (and subjecting yourself to it may be like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer) but it may also be something she needs to consider.
Amber really doesn’t need to consider that she’s just like her father, because a) she’s already tormented by that idea and b) it’s not true. Amber needs someone to help her with the problems that she actually has, not encourage her to think that she’s just like her abuser.
A part of me really hopes that they get together in the long run, but if they got together now, I don’t think it’d be too good for Amber’s sanity
Dan, this is all your fault.
Anyone that has been following Ridereyu’s posts on this arc as I have will probably notice the hatred Ridereyu has for Danny. Like all arbitrary hatred, it doesn’t make sense to me. It seems that Ridereyu has taken the essence of the “danning it up” bandwagon and mixed it with some sort of misandry. Why Ridereyu has singled out Danny for this antipathy I cannot say, but I can say that it is undeserved.
Ridereyu, at every turn you have called for Danny to stop his course of action or be stopped through violence. He mistakenly trusted Blaine, but that is the extent of blameworthy actions he has taken. There is nothing that Danny has done to hurt Amazi-Amber, or to control her, or to put his desires before her needs. Your violent rage against Danny is keeping you from seeing him as a person, and were this real life I can only think that you would be sending Danny death threats. This is not a good course of action, because it treats other people as if they are not people. You are a person, and you can only control your own actions. You cannot control Danny or any other person, because you are not Danny or any other person.
I’m not 100% sure, but I think that Ridereyu is actually PARODYING hatred for Danny, by making it so exaggerated that no one can take it seriously.
I’d considered that, and it would certainly be easier to accept than believing Ridereyu is in earnest. But I’m not going to just laugh it off, because even if its parody, I still know people that would be swayed by the message held in the words.
And so while others have communicated the folly of the “daning it up” meme, I must communicate the folly of Ridereyu’s communication, be it “parody” or otherwise.
The Bad Box is a reserve, like an inventory item which is tapped only when all other alternatives have been exhausted and the situation is grim.
It has a lot of horrible side/aftereffects, though, so it’s like a strongly cursed item.
Gack! I walk by that bridge- every day.
So was I right about the location? Is it in the Arboretum, or is it one of the bridges in Dunn Meadow?
The latter.
Now you have an obligation to re-enact this scene. Don your Amazi-Girl costume!
Ha! Just noticed that one drop of rain into the stream that totally looks like an arrow. She’s in the water, Dan!
Nah, I know, no splash. Unless it’s a foreshadowarrow.
It’s the rain…
As we all know from watching the second episode of CSI, people take off there glasses when they throw themselves off of things, not put them on. And, we all know that they never make up, or exaggerate anything on that show.
People put on their glasses when they make a horrible one liner, immediately followed by a YEEEEAAAHHHHH!
I wonder how much longer it’ll be before he realizes he gave his game to some random chick.
Well, it IS Danny we’re talking about here….
Priorities. Missing Amber is more important than missing DS.
Not if he can use the missing DS to locate Amber. The newest Pokémon games probably let you geolocate friends by now.
Also… Damn it, Amber.
Opinion of Amber still quite low.
LMAO-
I didn’t say you were too chickenshit to do anything!
I said that deleting someone’s comments for just bein generally disagreeable or stupid would be, pointing out that you AREN’T that way. Normally it doesn’t seem like you wield the deletion hammer unless someone is being directly abusive (and not in our normal tongue in cheek way), or if it’s damned funny, but you would be well within your rights to do so cause it’s YOUR house.
The rest of us non Willis types can bongo about someone’s comments but we should stop short of saying STFU and don’t post here, all of us have the same right to be idiots. Besides that sit down and shut up approach has 0 effectiveness wrt educating the person poster that’s bein insensitive or stupid.
Of course if I was world dictator shipping all idiots to an island would be a priority, at least until I realized there isn’t an island that can hold 6.8 billion idiots and that I’m scheduled for the first boat.
Wow, what
I don’t even
Who else spent ten minutes looking for Amber in that last panel?
she just pulled a Batman on him XD
Did you know the comic has alt-text?
I feel like last-panel Danny today.
Wait. Did Danny just realize that Amazi-Girl is just a figment of his imagination? She’s his Tyler Durden, and he just went all Fight Club on Blaine himself?
I remember this bridge.
It’s beginning to look like Willis got tired of all the Danny-hate and decided to have him finally grow up. If that’s the case, I want to go on record as the one who called it ^^
Cuz it’s impossible Willis plans anything in advance. I’m pretty sure the way his characters behave is based on the story he’s come up with a long time ago, not petty response to fan-hate.
I mean, seriously, he has a three month buffer. He never let us see Sal’s hand so we wouldn’t know she’d been stabbed in it. We’ve never seen Ethan or Amber interact with Sal. He gradually revealed the robbery incident in those red flashback panels over years. He isn’t doing this shiz spur of the moment, yo.
This isn’t even remotely related to today’s strip or the current story arc, but Willis, is Mike related to Numbuh 4 from Codename: Kids Next Door?
A technical question for the great and mighty Willis. Do you draw story arcs and then cut them and arrange them for publication (Amber vs Blaine) or do you draw them in the order appear in? I imagine it is much more complicated than that, with advanced story outlines, storyboards and such, so the question really has to do with final/semifinal drafts.
I draw them in order. When I completely finish one strip, I move on to the next.
The sad (but realistic?) idea she has is that “having sex with Danny” belongs in the bad box.
I don’t know how she feels about sex with him per se, but she’s given every indication that she wanted to date him in her normal identity, which is presumably the good box.
These statements funny because “box” is slang for “vagina” and this does not make your statements any less true.
Now ponder what “think outside the box” means.
Also what Joyce’s persistent curiosity about what’s in the box means. (Note that this is the same strip where she asks to borrow Dorothy and says that she just wants tacos.)
Dating him, yes. But she says it out loudly (and foreshadows a lot of her issues) in this strip.
“Troublesome behaviors. Stuff I couldn`t express harmlessly.
Anger. Rage. Some other stuff.”
I think her sexual urges went into the bad box when Ethan rejected her.
Also, I think a lot of the trouble she’s been going through with Danny is because she’s been trying to salvage that from Amazi-Girl’s box and put it back in Amber’s, so she doesn’t just keep losing pieces of Amber to Amazi-Girl until there’s nothing left of Amber but a disguise that Amazi-Girl sometimes wears.
Hey Willis,
ever thought of adding flattr buttons to your comics so I can throw money at you without having to buy something from your store?
There are a lot of options there from flattr to paypal to subbable, but it seems like he is pretty content with just the kickstarters for books.
I haven’t seen anyone else mention this, sorry if someone else beat me to it but, uh, I’m a little confused by the fact she put on her glasses. I assumed that she used contacts for Amazi-Girl. Does she just not have a very bad prescription? I’m the same way- I could wear my glasses all the time, or only wear them when I have to read things far away, and be okay. I’m just a little surprised that she would be AG without perfect vision, that seems a touch more dangerous.
She has astigmatism. She doesn’t wear contacts as Amazigirl, anyway.
Probably makes it easier to do some of those stunts when you can’t see clearly how foolhardy you’re being.
Why is no one talking about how Danny remembers where her zipper is.. Have they done the sideways doodle-wop?
They have, sort-of … Danny described it as “heavy petting”.
It happened in-comic, after they repaired/replaced the stop sign that was vandalized.
And so begins Amber’s transformation into a supervillain.
Oooh!!! That should totally be a stretch goal in the next Kickstarter! An alt-universe mini-series with Amber/Amazigirl having gone fully supervillain!
Who would end up being her hero foil? Maybe that’s the way Danny could finally redeem himself! He’ll could be the Superman to her Lex Luthor! Sexy superhero/supervillain shenanigans! We already have the Jimmy Olsen character, Lois Lane character and others! Please, please, consider some form of this as a stretch goal, Willis! 
I’m still curious if Blaine was conscious enough to hear Danny say, “Are you Amber under there?”
Boy, she really amber’d that one up didn’t she?
Don’t give up on yourself Amber.
Wow, Cragalanch feels really sorry for Danny. After offering to help her when the dust has settled, only to find she’s not there, he must feel like he hasn’t helped her enough to truly make up for the fact that he was an oblivious dipsh- er, Danny. Makes him more relatable to Cragalanch, like when I tried to make up for the fact that the angel (who shall remain unnamed) kicked the hole in my rear so hard I didn’t wake up for a week. Viridi still hasn’t forgivin Cragalanch for his stupidity.
Gotta say THANK YOU WILLIS! for your Tumblr post showing your struggle with writing/drawing this scene. This is wonderful behind-the-scenes stuff.
http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/76013994663/david-willis-has-trouble-writing-sometimes
Seconding this. Honestly, the way you did the strips is much, much better and more satisfying than the original ideas. Don’t get me wrong, they were not bad, but like you said, they don’t feel quite right for this. You knocked it way out of the park with the final product.
So, which box was the good one again, cus she may have put ‘be like Batman’ in the wrong one?
It’s not the dark that makes the box(es) look like different ones. It’s the temporary lack of glasses.
So she disappears by putting on her glasses?
Also, I am thinking either hanging from the bridge’s underside, or in the tree.
He is now, and how did he know where the zipper was?
I hope she didn’t jump into the river.
Freshwater sharks can swim up the Ohio river into Indiana.
Gary?
Great, now Danny will think she flew away and drown while looking up at the sky.
Been taking lessons from Dina, Amber?
Well yeah, she is training to become Amazi-Girl when Dina retires