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ok, I know the whole slipshine name joke is played out at this point, but seriously, if these two ever by some miracle get together, “JUST DESSERTS” needs to be the title.
They’re actually my favourite chocolate product, but I don’t actually know anywhere that sells them, so I don’t know if that opinion is tainted by childhood exuberance.
Joyce respecting other people’s privacy? Soon Danny won’t screw everything up,Dina becomes fascinated by mammoths, Ethan realizes that staying in the closet is a bad idea, and Malaya becomes the nicest girl ever.
Weird that you didn’t notice. She screamed at Joe for his own self-contained decision to have sex, tried to manipulate her religion onto atheist friend Dorothy, and yelled at Walky for his relationship decisions. That’s just to name a few. I’m sure I could come up with more if I dove into the archives.
Based on those examples, it’s a difference in definitions. You’re saying an invasion of privacy is when she meddles in other people’s private/personal business, but I consider it an invasion of privacy only if she also found out details of their personal business intentionally and in order to meddle.
She also has (had?) a tendency to go into people’s rooms, climb on their beds and wake them up for church on a weekend(Billy was not amused). Oh and she has an obsession with brushing Sal’s hair. She interfered in Walky and Dorothy’s relationship when they broke up over pajama pants, Dorothy later tried to scold her over this with mixed results. She punched Joe in the face. She needs to learn to make room for fat Jesus. She named five of Billy’s future children. And she tried to stop Sarah from using her vibrator by staying in the room, she later wandered off with her pants.
Basically she needs to learn to respect personal space more than privacy. And learn more modern gender roles, and acceptance of the LGBTQ people(especially considering her sister is one of them).
Yeah, it sounds to me like your threshold for invasion of privacy is higher than mine. I think that any interaction with someone else’s personal business is an invasion of privacy unless that business was getting someone hurt.
It can make it better or worse what that person does when they’re involved in someone else’s private business (e.g. in order to help them like Billy did, or to criticize them like Mary and Joyce do), but Joyce has never been shown to recognize that other people’s privacy exists at all.
“manipulate her religion onto atheist friend Dorothy”
No she didn’t. Asking her to go to church with her isn’t trying to convert her. It is wanting to share a social experience with her. Admittedly to an atheist it is likely to be a dumb, boring, annoying social experience, but whatever.
You’re right, she wasn’t very in her face about it. However, it was made clear that it was an ulterior motive that she only half-heartedly hoped would happen. She also decided to ask her to church immediately after she was assaulted, when Dorothy didn’t really have the option of saying no.
i’d forgotten too but i think she might be trying to hide the fact that her best friend at college is an atheist? maybe she thinks becky would hate her for it or… something i dunno
then again she didn’t try and hide them from her parents so i’m not sure?
Well, she did try to get Dorothy to not admit to being atheistic. Maybe the results of that left her a little more wary of introducing Dotty to people from her pre-college life.
But Joyce totally won that time! Surely standing up for her atheist buddy is easier with practice, and moreover, with a friend who is clearly way more chill than Joyce’s parents are.
Is Joyce afraid that Becky will be jealous of Dorothy’s new Best Friend Status? Maybe she’s trying really, really hard to keep her pre-college life separate? Afraid of Dorothy and Becky falling in love and leaving Joyce alone? Wild Speculations??
If that’s the case it’s a good thing Billie is waiting up in Ruth’s room instead of grabbing lunch. Drama bomb + drama hurricane = DoA version of a sharknado. Drama bombicane?
Granted, they have no beef with each other, I just wanted to make a sharknado joke.
I read this as Joyce wanting to be out of the way when Dorothy runs into Walky, not wanting to keep Becky and Dorothy apart. I mean, if she was comfortable introducing her to Billie…
That may be part of it, but I think it’s mostly that Joyce doesn’t want Becky to find out that she’s been demoted from “best friend” to “best friend from high school”. (Or whatever. I guess Joyce and Becky didn’t actually go to high school, but the point remains.)
Also, it’s my personal policy that if you ever notice that you’re acting the way a character in a sitcom would in your position, you should immediately stop doing it. Joyce is probably at a disadvantage there, too, though. Maybe she should consult Becky’s clandestine Seinfeld knowledge.
I think this is the most likely possibility. The evidence given points to this conclusion. Joyce never told Becky about Dorothy, and we also see Becky being jealous of a person she assumed had taken her place in Joyce’s life. Becky might have trouble with the whole multiple bffs concept. I know I did for a little bit in my life. (i was a pre-teen though…)
They were at Dorothy’s door when they met Walky. The only reasons Becky was not introduced to her were the do not disturbe sign and Walky opening a cup of instant drama as they walked up.
I think they were at Dorothy’s door because that’s where Walky was, and he lured Becky over against Joyce’s wishes with his belching. Dorothy’s room isn’t far from Joyce’s; they live on the same hall.
And Joyce hadn’t even mentioned Dorothy’s existence to Becky, and even after Walky brought Dorothy up, Joyce showed a distinct unwillingness to discuss her own relationship to Dorothy… though she was entirely willing to discuss Walky’s relationship with Dorothy, despite that being a sore spot with her.
Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know about her relationship with Dorothy. It might be because Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know that her new best friend is an atheist, but I think it’s just because Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know that she has a new best friend, that Becky has been replaced.
What’s the “standard of excellence” on these comments? People write some really crude stuff, but I can’t remember seeing any swearing. Are those posts filtered out?
I doubt it. People tend to have different standards of what they’re comfortable saying, and self-censor to some extent. (Especially when the censored version is funnier.) Case in point.
This is the comment section for a comic for a webcomic where neither of the main characters (Joyce and Dorothy) are *ever* seen swearing. Word of Willis has it that Walky had never said “fuck” before yesterday’s strip. On the other hand, two characters have made a sex tape that was shown on youtube, two other characters just had a fairly explicit (and clearly mutually exciting) discussion of rough sex, another couple has had costume sex, where we’re in the middle of a story line about *fart jokes*, for Heaven’s sake.
The comments section reflects that attitude — lots of explicit and charged discussion, not very much profanity or obscenity.
On the other hand, the #3 character inspired my F-bomb count, because I was curious as to whether she actually did say “fuck” more often than everyone else in the comic put together.
(It was close, but not quite. At that point, the middle of family-issues weekend, everyone else combined edged Billie out by three “fuck”s.)
More recently, there was one strip where Sal dropped 29 unobscured “fuck”s in a single panel (76, including obscured ones, by Joyce’s count).
Not wanting Becky to find out she’s best friends with an Atheist. Not wanting Becky to find out she’s best friends with a Not-Becky, still being weirded out over the whole conversation with Walky about him and Not-Becky/Dorothy.
Joyce, it should be noted, flusters easily in the right situations.
I think it might be trying to avoid cognitive dissonance on her own part.
Seeing Becky reminds her of good ol’ idealistic homeschooling days, when everything was easy and she didn’t have any reason to feel conflicted.
Seeing Dorothy reminds her of her current situation: scared, lonely, dating a gay Jewish guy, doing things her new friends like Dorothy and Sarah disapprove of, and doing things Becky would disapprove of.
I think there are probably a few specific things on Joyce’s mind (avoid being around Dorothy and Walky when they first see each other after the “love” fiasco, avoid Becky finding out her new BFF is an atheist), but I would chalk it up to mostly just wanting to keep pretending she’s a Good Christian Girl, who has never seen a penis, introducing her old BFF to her secular-but-in-a-nonthreatening-way new friends.
Man, I’ve never been a “Joyce is Bi-Curious” believer, but she’s not doing that viewpoint any favors by acting like someone trying to keep their girlfriend from running into their -other- girlfriend.
…This is totally multi-verse karmic revenge for when Joyce was acting The Other Girlfriend when Sal showed up at Danny’s dormroom, isn’t it?
Joyce is being a jerk in this storyline. She was injecting herself into Walky’s decisions. Now she’s avoiding Dorothy for no discernible reason at her best friend’s expense? What’s her problem?
She doesn’t want Becky to know her best friend’s an atheist, even though it’s seeming increasingly likely that Becky wouldn’t care at all. And I don’t think it really qualifies her as a jerk- at least, no more than any of the other characters.
Or, actually, I think it has more to do with the fact that Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know she has a new “best friend”. When she first mentioned Dorothy in this story line, she avoided saying anything about their relationship.
That makes sense, at least, but that doesn’t make it right. It’s insulting to Dorothy and Becky at the same time, and selfish of her, especially given Becky’s verbal protests.
Probably doesn’t want her Becky to know she replaced her with an Atheist, witch makes no sense because She introduce her to her parents and in the end they excepted idea of them being friends anyway so I don’t understand why she would be afraid of Becky finding our when she seems really excepting of other people and their life styles.
Which, she, introduced, accepted, the, accepting.
With editing out of the way: aside from WalkyXDorothy issues, and best friend hierarchy issues, there’s the possibility that her parents’ reaction to Dorothy’s atheism left her more cautious about letting it be known.
That said, I doubt it; she seems to know Becky reasonably well, for all her obliviousness.
To be completely honest, Joyce has already been a jerk. She’s not a Bad Person, but she seems to typically put herself before others. Yes, there have been a few examples where this is not the case, but the majority of the time it is. This is a great example. I think that Becky and Dorothy would get along well, if we’re just talking about the atheism thing. Walky is an atheist, and he and Becky hit it off well! I think this is more of a “i don’t want Becky to be jealous” thing. But come on Joyce. Most people would be like “holy crap my two besties! lets make them meet and maybe we can be all three musketeers or some shit.” I’m looking forwards to seeing what the reasoning is behind this.
There are multiple possible reasons she is doing this:
1) Escaping the possible Walky & Dorothy drama that may be about to occur.
2) Wariness of introducing new best friend to old best friend because of religious differences. Remember how her parents reacted? She doesn’t want a repeat of that.
3) Not wanting to upset Dorothy or Becky by letting them know she has more than one best friend.
Some people are possessive of their food, so that could be hazardous to your health, and probably three different flavors of illegal depending on where you live.
I’m not particularly germophobic, nor particularly prone to solving my problems with violence, but I’ve gotta say, if you did that to me, I’d deck you.
??? Wait, everyone is assuming Joyce doesn’t want Becky to Dorothy? She stood up to her parents for Dorothy. I assume she’s doing this because Dorothy and Walky are in their first serious fight, one that gives Joyce terrible feelings, and there’s no situation in which going back to the table with Walky doesn’t end in crushingly awkward times.
Besides, Becky has already met Billie AND Joe. The bar has been lowered, folks.
Because Joyce in earlier strips has been reluctant to discuss her own relationship with Dorothy with Becky (though she’s entirely willing to discuss Walky’s relationship with her), and in this strip is looking at Dorothy while suddenly hustling Becky out of the room, and even sacrificing half-esque of her creemee to do it?
If that’s the case I can’t blame Joyce for wanting to avoid that drama hurricane but normally you’d think Dorothy would be the first one she’d showoff….Suspicious.
I see your point. She might not want Becky’s first meeting with Dorothy to be witnessing a potential fight. But…I still think there is another reason. Why wouldn’t she just say that to Becky? Why would she hide the reason that they had to leave?
I didn’t partake in this sort of HS BS (yeah they are in college right but just barely), so I just don’t understand what in Hell is going on here?
She’s not dating Joyce or Becky. But she is extremely possessive of both of them, like an immature child. Kids can be very possessive of friends, ‘you play with me and I’ll be your best friend crap’ or ‘if you are friends with her you can’t be friends with me’. That I’ve seen.
But, Dorothy has no apparent strong feelings for Joyce, in fact she seems to just tolerates her: she sure doesn’t act the way toward Joyce that Joyce acts toward her. And I’m not sure I see Joyce as looking for a one on one with her.
On the other hand, homeschooled Becky seems a lot more mature than Joyce does. She also looks like she may well be lusting after her bod.
Joyce is not returning that feeling, I don’t think because I don’t think she is picking up on it. She’s just seeing Becky as visiting best buddy.
So what the heck is going on? Even being overly possessive of her friends, why go bonkers trying to keep them separate, especially when she was running around introducing …..ah the light dawns. Doh!
Walky got along too well with Beck and when Joyce finds out will be upset? Is Joyce really grown sensitivity to others feelings all of a sudden?
Joyce is trying to get out of the way of her friends Dorothy and Walky. Joyce is living by the old rule that “two’s company and three’s a crowd.”
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Becky, with Joyce, with Walky, or with Dorothy; it has to do with Dorky. Dorothy and Walky need to have a talk, and Joyce is trying to give them the space to have it.
See, that explanation would make sense, except that Joyce isn’t telling Becky that that’s what she’s doing. If Joyce said “Hey, let’s get out of the way, those two have a lot to talk out”, I think Becky would be totally chill about leaving. So why isn’t Joyce just saying it?
Dorothy doesn’t seem too pissed off. I’m pretty sure Walky just went all paranoid for nothing. I wish he could just go see her and apologize though. ^^
Germaphobe huh, a mother annoying ass quark Joyce has added every other thing, I’m trying give her a chance but it’s almost like Willis wants me to hate Joyce.
My mom refuses to share dairy products with people, but she’s likable enough. I don’t think being a germaphobe is an inherently bad trait. It could also just be an exaggeration on Becky’s part. A lot of people with do that with their friends.
Or just comedic exaggeration. I mean, who in the real world would let himself be punched, repeatedly, rather than hit back or walk out?
Joe did walk out eventually, but that whole scene went way beyond my ability to suspend disbelief. I thought it was just meant to be funny.
Evil exists on several spectra. If you want to pinpoint where people stop sympathizing with someone, you probably want to start somewhere around good and have them do mean things, followed by jerkass things, followed eventually by evil things.
Before people assume lesbian overtones, I think what John is saying is that Joyce is secretly a cannibal and wants to cook and eat (or perhaps even eat raw) Dorothy and Becky.
It seems to me like Joyce was taking Becky to meet Dorothy when they ran into Walky and her door said do not disturb. So I don’t think she is keeping Becky away from Dorothy, I think she is keeping out of the way of Walky and Dorothy.
Keep in mind that Dorothy’s an atheist, and Becky, according to Joyce, is as strongly conservative as the people that she’s encountered from her sheltered environment. There are little hints that’s not the case, but Joyce isn’t exactly good at picking up on these kinds of hints.
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which is when Becky decides she doesn’t want ice cream anyway and gives Joyce a good lickin’ instead
JUST DESSERTS
you sir embody all the lesbian angst.
“Joyce, how do you taste even more vanilla?”
This is the taste of a LIAR, Joyce Brown.
ok, I know the whole slipshine name joke is played out at this point, but seriously, if these two ever by some miracle get together, “JUST DESSERTS” needs to be the title.
yesssssssss +1
Half means the melted part at the bottom.
so…. melted part… bottom….
*snicker*
Half means “maybe the cone”
And any stuff leaking from the tip.
I am not sure Becky is interested in what leaks from the tip.
Half means something we both agreed on where we pretend I shared but you really got nothing.
That part’s the best. Just take off the bottom and get your tongue all up in there. Sweet.
That’s what she said. She being Becky.
I’m not sure that Becky is as excited about getting the leaving’s as she was about sharing.
An indirect kiss isn’t as good as an accidental one.
Neither are as good as a Hershey kiss.
That’s debatable.
Yeah, we at least need to know if it’s dark chocolate, and whether there was tongue.
I tried one of those Hershey Kisses and I wasn’t that impressed to be honest.
They’re actually my favourite chocolate product, but I don’t actually know anywhere that sells them, so I don’t know if that opinion is tainted by childhood exuberance.
They taste just like any other Hershey’s chocolate, which it say OK, but there is lots of better chocolate in the world.
Do you not have grocery stores where you live?
It’s Australia, there is nothing but outback, dingos and poisonous things. No grocery stores.
We have supermarkets you know.
Too small, too much time spent unwrapping.
Now, maybe if there was some sort of giant Hershey Kiss
The Google-fu with this one is weak
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I just wish this comment section supported images.
I think she felt both honored, confused, and slightly upset that they were leaving both their friend and the room with no explanation.
In all honesty I think I’d lost track of what Joyce is trying to avoid anymore…
Dotty for some reason, must be something to do with Walky or atheism.
Maybe she just wants to get out of the way so Walky and Dorothy can chat in private?
Joyce respecting other people’s privacy? Soon Danny won’t screw everything up,Dina becomes fascinated by mammoths, Ethan realizes that staying in the closet is a bad idea, and Malaya becomes the nicest girl ever.
As established earlier, however, Mike is Mike in all universes.
Also, I actually never noticed Joyce disrespecting people’s privacy.
Weird that you didn’t notice. She screamed at Joe for his own self-contained decision to have sex, tried to manipulate her religion onto atheist friend Dorothy, and yelled at Walky for his relationship decisions. That’s just to name a few. I’m sure I could come up with more if I dove into the archives.
Based on those examples, it’s a difference in definitions. You’re saying an invasion of privacy is when she meddles in other people’s private/personal business, but I consider it an invasion of privacy only if she also found out details of their personal business intentionally and in order to meddle.
She also has (had?) a tendency to go into people’s rooms, climb on their beds and wake them up for church on a weekend(Billy was not amused). Oh and she has an obsession with brushing Sal’s hair. She interfered in Walky and Dorothy’s relationship when they broke up over pajama pants, Dorothy later tried to scold her over this with mixed results. She punched Joe in the face. She needs to learn to make room for fat Jesus. She named five of Billy’s future children. And she tried to stop Sarah from using her vibrator by staying in the room, she later wandered off with her pants.
Basically she needs to learn to respect personal space more than privacy. And learn more modern gender roles, and acceptance of the LGBTQ people(especially considering her sister is one of them).
Yeah, it sounds to me like your threshold for invasion of privacy is higher than mine. I think that any interaction with someone else’s personal business is an invasion of privacy unless that business was getting someone hurt.
It can make it better or worse what that person does when they’re involved in someone else’s private business (e.g. in order to help them like Billy did, or to criticize them like Mary and Joyce do), but Joyce has never been shown to recognize that other people’s privacy exists at all.
The pants thing was Sarah’s fault. But the rest, yeah, Joyce has issues.
Nice examples, Chaos_Lord! It’s pretty worrying that when faced with something uncomfortable, she either attacks it or completely shuts down.
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“manipulate her religion onto atheist friend Dorothy”
No she didn’t. Asking her to go to church with her isn’t trying to convert her. It is wanting to share a social experience with her. Admittedly to an atheist it is likely to be a dumb, boring, annoying social experience, but whatever.
You’re right, she wasn’t very in her face about it. However, it was made clear that it was an ulterior motive that she only half-heartedly hoped would happen. She also decided to ask her to church immediately after she was assaulted, when Dorothy didn’t really have the option of saying no.
Mike is a multiversal constant.
i’d forgotten too but i think she might be trying to hide the fact that her best friend at college is an atheist? maybe she thinks becky would hate her for it or… something i dunno
then again she didn’t try and hide them from her parents so i’m not sure?
Well, she did try to get Dorothy to not admit to being atheistic. Maybe the results of that left her a little more wary of introducing Dotty to people from her pre-college life.
But Joyce totally won that time! Surely standing up for her atheist buddy is easier with practice, and moreover, with a friend who is clearly way more chill than Joyce’s parents are.
Is Joyce afraid that Becky will be jealous of Dorothy’s new Best Friend Status? Maybe she’s trying really, really hard to keep her pre-college life separate? Afraid of Dorothy and Becky falling in love and leaving Joyce alone? Wild Speculations??
Maybe she just saw a drama bomb incoming and decided she can’t deal with it right now?
If that’s the case it’s a good thing Billie is waiting up in Ruth’s room instead of grabbing lunch. Drama bomb + drama hurricane = DoA version of a sharknado. Drama bombicane?
Granted, they have no beef with each other, I just wanted to make a sharknado joke.
Achievement unlocked XD
I’m pretty sure she doesn’t want Becky to know that Dorothy is atheist.
I’m pretty sure she doesn’t want Becky to know Dorothy, and not she, is her best friend.
I read this as Joyce wanting to be out of the way when Dorothy runs into Walky, not wanting to keep Becky and Dorothy apart. I mean, if she was comfortable introducing her to Billie…
But Billie does nominally believe in God, which makes her, in what Joyce probably assumes is Becky’s opinion, “better” than an atheist.
But remember, she’s been hiding Dorothy from Becky since the day Joyce met Dorothy.
Billie didn’t replace Becky as Joyce’s best friend. Dorothy did.
Joyce doesn’t realize that you can have lots of best friends?
oh wait, yeah, Joyce would totally not realize that.
Becky did allude to her own friend-jealousy earlier, when she assumed that Sarah would be Joyce’s new BFF. But, calmly, and not in a scary way.
Joyce, you’re now in a sitcom plot where you’re trying to keep the two girls you’re dating from meeting each other.
That my first reaction.
Than I was like “oh right. Dorothy is an atheist and her parents freaked about that”
I’m kinda confused what that has to do with it?
I imagine Joyce doesn’t even want to find out if she’d get a similar reaction from Becky.
That may be part of it, but I think it’s mostly that Joyce doesn’t want Becky to find out that she’s been demoted from “best friend” to “best friend from high school”. (Or whatever. I guess Joyce and Becky didn’t actually go to high school, but the point remains.)
Also, it’s my personal policy that if you ever notice that you’re acting the way a character in a sitcom would in your position, you should immediately stop doing it. Joyce is probably at a disadvantage there, too, though. Maybe she should consult Becky’s clandestine Seinfeld knowledge.
I think this is the most likely possibility. The evidence given points to this conclusion. Joyce never told Becky about Dorothy, and we also see Becky being jealous of a person she assumed had taken her place in Joyce’s life. Becky might have trouble with the whole multiple bffs concept. I know I did for a little bit in my life. (i was a pre-teen though…)
They were at Dorothy’s door when they met Walky. The only reasons Becky was not introduced to her were the do not disturbe sign and Walky opening a cup of instant drama as they walked up.
I think they were at Dorothy’s door because that’s where Walky was, and he lured Becky over against Joyce’s wishes with his belching. Dorothy’s room isn’t far from Joyce’s; they live on the same hall.
And Joyce hadn’t even mentioned Dorothy’s existence to Becky, and even after Walky brought Dorothy up, Joyce showed a distinct unwillingness to discuss her own relationship to Dorothy… though she was entirely willing to discuss Walky’s relationship with Dorothy, despite that being a sore spot with her.
Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know about her relationship with Dorothy. It might be because Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know that her new best friend is an atheist, but I think it’s just because Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know that she has a new best friend, that Becky has been replaced.
Someone needs a cooties shot!
Circle circle dot dot~ now joyce has a cootie shot!
(Sorry but i had to)
Yes…yes you did.
I’m sorry; could someone explain the reference?
Consult http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooties#Cooties_game
Huh. Kids are weird.
Much obliged; I missed a few things back then.
My my Mongoose, what a lovely avatar.
I concur.
@Dez: If only I knew who drew it, I would praise their webcomic to no end.
Joyce just let her get her mother humpin ice cream
What’s the “standard of excellence” on these comments? People write some really crude stuff, but I can’t remember seeing any swearing. Are those posts filtered out?
Old Mother Humpard went to the cupboard…
…I’ll see myself out.
I doubt it. People tend to have different standards of what they’re comfortable saying, and self-censor to some extent. (Especially when the censored version is funnier.)
Case in point.
This is the comment section for a comic for a webcomic where neither of the main characters (Joyce and Dorothy) are *ever* seen swearing. Word of Willis has it that Walky had never said “fuck” before yesterday’s strip. On the other hand, two characters have made a sex tape that was shown on youtube, two other characters just had a fairly explicit (and clearly mutually exciting) discussion of rough sex, another couple has had costume sex, where we’re in the middle of a story line about *fart jokes*, for Heaven’s sake.
The comments section reflects that attitude — lots of explicit and charged discussion, not very much profanity or obscenity.
Well spoken! That made a lot of sense, thanks!
On the other hand, the #3 character inspired my F-bomb count, because I was curious as to whether she actually did say “fuck” more often than everyone else in the comic put together.
(It was close, but not quite. At that point, the middle of family-issues weekend, everyone else combined edged Billie out by three “fuck”s.)
More recently, there was one strip where Sal dropped 29 unobscured “fuck”s in a single panel (76, including obscured ones, by Joyce’s count).
I wonder how Dorothy will react to Becky. Or Becky to Dorothy. I hope they become best friends, and that annoys Joyce.
I’m honestly confused. Why is Joyce devolving into 80’s sitcom stupidity? Is it just not wanting Becky to find out that Dorothy’s Atheist?
Not wanting Becky to find out she’s best friends with an Atheist. Not wanting Becky to find out she’s best friends with a Not-Becky, still being weirded out over the whole conversation with Walky about him and Not-Becky/Dorothy.
Joyce, it should be noted, flusters easily in the right situations.
I think it might be trying to avoid cognitive dissonance on her own part.
Seeing Becky reminds her of good ol’ idealistic homeschooling days, when everything was easy and she didn’t have any reason to feel conflicted.
Seeing Dorothy reminds her of her current situation: scared, lonely, dating a gay Jewish guy, doing things her new friends like Dorothy and Sarah disapprove of, and doing things Becky would disapprove of.
I think there are probably a few specific things on Joyce’s mind (avoid being around Dorothy and Walky when they first see each other after the “love” fiasco, avoid Becky finding out her new BFF is an atheist), but I would chalk it up to mostly just wanting to keep pretending she’s a Good Christian Girl, who has never seen a penis, introducing her old BFF to her secular-but-in-a-nonthreatening-way new friends.
This explanation makes the most sense yet.
Only time will tell.
Man, I’ve never been a “Joyce is Bi-Curious” believer, but she’s not doing that viewpoint any favors by acting like someone trying to keep their girlfriend from running into their -other- girlfriend.
…This is totally multi-verse karmic revenge for when Joyce was acting The Other Girlfriend when Sal showed up at Danny’s dormroom, isn’t it?
Joyce is being a jerk in this storyline. She was injecting herself into Walky’s decisions. Now she’s avoiding Dorothy for no discernible reason at her best friend’s expense? What’s her problem?
She doesn’t want Becky to know her best friend’s an atheist, even though it’s seeming increasingly likely that Becky wouldn’t care at all. And I don’t think it really qualifies her as a jerk- at least, no more than any of the other characters.
Or, actually, I think it has more to do with the fact that Joyce doesn’t want Becky to know she has a new “best friend”. When she first mentioned Dorothy in this story line, she avoided saying anything about their relationship.
That makes sense, at least, but that doesn’t make it right. It’s insulting to Dorothy and Becky at the same time, and selfish of her, especially given Becky’s verbal protests.
I agree, but I can forgive Joyce for being a bit socially stunted. In the end, I think the only one she’s really done a disservice to is Ethan.
And Joe. Don’t forget that she physically attacked him with Mike and then went out of her way to attack him based on his own self-contained decisions.
Probably doesn’t want her Becky to know she replaced her with an Atheist, witch makes no sense because She introduce her to her parents and in the end they excepted idea of them being friends anyway so I don’t understand why she would be afraid of Becky finding our when she seems really excepting of other people and their life styles.
Which, she, introduced, accepted, the, accepting.
With editing out of the way: aside from WalkyXDorothy issues, and best friend hierarchy issues, there’s the possibility that her parents’ reaction to Dorothy’s atheism left her more cautious about letting it be known.
That said, I doubt it; she seems to know Becky reasonably well, for all her obliviousness.
What’s an atheist witch?
To be completely honest, Joyce has already been a jerk. She’s not a Bad Person, but she seems to typically put herself before others. Yes, there have been a few examples where this is not the case, but the majority of the time it is. This is a great example. I think that Becky and Dorothy would get along well, if we’re just talking about the atheism thing. Walky is an atheist, and he and Becky hit it off well! I think this is more of a “i don’t want Becky to be jealous” thing. But come on Joyce. Most people would be like “holy crap my two besties! lets make them meet and maybe we can be all three musketeers or some shit.” I’m looking forwards to seeing what the reasoning is behind this.
Yeah, you’re right. I think I forget about it because of how happy she is all the time and because of the strip update rate.
There are multiple possible reasons she is doing this:
1) Escaping the possible Walky & Dorothy drama that may be about to occur.
2) Wariness of introducing new best friend to old best friend because of religious differences. Remember how her parents reacted? She doesn’t want a repeat of that.
3) Not wanting to upset Dorothy or Becky by letting them know she has more than one best friend.
Becky should just lick her ice cream. Then it’s hers.
She should just cut to the chase and lick Joyce. Then she’s hers.
If Joyce was real and if I found this out, I’d be tempted to spit in her food any time she completely pissed me off
Some people are possessive of their food, so that could be hazardous to your health, and probably three different flavors of illegal depending on where you live.
I’m not particularly germophobic, nor particularly prone to solving my problems with violence, but I’ve gotta say, if you did that to me, I’d deck you.
Joyce might, too. She’s feisty.
??? Wait, everyone is assuming Joyce doesn’t want Becky to Dorothy? She stood up to her parents for Dorothy. I assume she’s doing this because Dorothy and Walky are in their first serious fight, one that gives Joyce terrible feelings, and there’s no situation in which going back to the table with Walky doesn’t end in crushingly awkward times.
Besides, Becky has already met Billie AND Joe. The bar has been lowered, folks.
I certainly don’t want Becky to Dorothy.
Because Joyce in earlier strips has been reluctant to discuss her own relationship with Dorothy with Becky (though she’s entirely willing to discuss Walky’s relationship with her), and in this strip is looking at Dorothy while suddenly hustling Becky out of the room, and even sacrificing half-esque of her creemee to do it?
If that’s the case I can’t blame Joyce for wanting to avoid that drama hurricane but normally you’d think Dorothy would be the first one she’d showoff….Suspicious.
I see your point. She might not want Becky’s first meeting with Dorothy to be witnessing a potential fight. But…I still think there is another reason. Why wouldn’t she just say that to Becky? Why would she hide the reason that they had to leave?
Joyce this is why if you had a relationship with Dorothy or Becky it wouldn’t work out you keep to many secrets from them.
I didn’t partake in this sort of HS BS (yeah they are in college right but just barely), so I just don’t understand what in Hell is going on here?
She’s not dating Joyce or Becky. But she is extremely possessive of both of them, like an immature child. Kids can be very possessive of friends, ‘you play with me and I’ll be your best friend crap’ or ‘if you are friends with her you can’t be friends with me’. That I’ve seen.
But, Dorothy has no apparent strong feelings for Joyce, in fact she seems to just tolerates her: she sure doesn’t act the way toward Joyce that Joyce acts toward her. And I’m not sure I see Joyce as looking for a one on one with her.
On the other hand, homeschooled Becky seems a lot more mature than Joyce does. She also looks like she may well be lusting after her bod.
Joyce is not returning that feeling, I don’t think because I don’t think she is picking up on it. She’s just seeing Becky as visiting best buddy.
So what the heck is going on? Even being overly possessive of her friends, why go bonkers trying to keep them separate, especially when she was running around introducing …..ah the light dawns. Doh!
Walky got along too well with Beck and when Joyce finds out will be upset? Is Joyce really grown sensitivity to others feelings all of a sudden?
Joyce is trying to get out of the way of her friends Dorothy and Walky. Joyce is living by the old rule that “two’s company and three’s a crowd.”
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Becky, with Joyce, with Walky, or with Dorothy; it has to do with Dorky. Dorothy and Walky need to have a talk, and Joyce is trying to give them the space to have it.
See, that explanation would make sense, except that Joyce isn’t telling Becky that that’s what she’s doing. If Joyce said “Hey, let’s get out of the way, those two have a lot to talk out”, I think Becky would be totally chill about leaving. So why isn’t Joyce just saying it?
Why should Joyce tell Becky anything? She seems quite content to make all of Becky’s decisions for her without giving Becky any say in the matter.
oops…meant when Dorothy finds out will be upset…dang no edit.
Dorothy doesn’t seem too pissed off. I’m pretty sure Walky just went all paranoid for nothing. I wish he could just go see her and apologize though. ^^
Also, I like the word “half-esque”.
She does seem a little down, though.
Germaphobe huh, a mother annoying ass quark Joyce has added every other thing, I’m trying give her a chance but it’s almost like Willis wants me to hate Joyce.
What’s wrong with being a germaphobe? Germs are scary.
Well depends, what level of germaphobe is she ?
My mom refuses to share dairy products with people, but she’s likable enough. I don’t think being a germaphobe is an inherently bad trait. It could also just be an exaggeration on Becky’s part. A lot of people with do that with their friends.
Not a bad trait, just a annoying one when it goes to far.
I doubt it’s Hannelore level.
Lets put her in a biohazard suit when she has the flu and find out.
Level 11.
Maybe this whole thing is a social experiment to see how insane and evil a pretty girl has to be before people stop trying to defend her.
Mary.
You really think Joyce is evil? Hella repressed and a bit brainwashed, but evil? When has she acted out of malice?
Well, there was the telling Mike to beat Joe up properly moment.
I interpreted that as a horribly misguided attempt at corrective punishment.
Or just comedic exaggeration. I mean, who in the real world would let himself be punched, repeatedly, rather than hit back or walk out?
Joe did walk out eventually, but that whole scene went way beyond my ability to suspend disbelief. I thought it was just meant to be funny.
Evil exists on several spectra. If you want to pinpoint where people stop sympathizing with someone, you probably want to start somewhere around good and have them do mean things, followed by jerkass things, followed eventually by evil things.
For Science.
So is Joyce more nervous that Becky will be jealous of Dorothy or gang up on her as she did with Walky?
Is it just me, or are Becky’s shorts gradually receding?
o-m-greenlight-o-m-gosh
yur totes right
Ah, that explains so much. Joyce wants to get Becky out of sight before the clam-diggers wrap up. She must have witnessed that sight before.
So Dorothy is the spitting image of just who in Becky’s and Joyce’s past?
DoA Slipshine: Becky and Joyce Go Halfsies.
Joyce is treating her best friends like her food. Separated.
Are you a carpenter? Because I think you nailed it.
Another carpenter joke? Jesus Christ…
Yeah, she doesn’t let the things she’s going to eat touch each other.
Before people assume lesbian overtones, I think what John is saying is that Joyce is secretly a cannibal and wants to cook and eat (or perhaps even eat raw) Dorothy and Becky.
It seems to me like Joyce was taking Becky to meet Dorothy when they ran into Walky and her door said do not disturb. So I don’t think she is keeping Becky away from Dorothy, I think she is keeping out of the way of Walky and Dorothy.
Was she taking Becky to Dorothy’s room? Or did they just happen to be in the vicinity – because they live on the same hall and all – when Becky engaged Walky in belching against Joyce’s wishes? Because this sure doesn’t look like Joyce wants Becky to know anything at all about Dorothy.
Keep in mind that Dorothy’s an atheist, and Becky, according to Joyce, is as strongly conservative as the people that she’s encountered from her sheltered environment. There are little hints that’s not the case, but Joyce isn’t exactly good at picking up on these kinds of hints.
SHE CAN HAVE THE CONE
The icecream is not a metaphore.
I never metaphor I didn’t like.
Note the typo in bagge’s OP. The p should be a w.
I never metawhore I didn’t like either.
A metafor what?
My name is snow cone upside-down, guys. Why is it not ice cream?
Must fix.
It turns out “soft serve” is harder than “snow.” Difficulty hardness, not physical hardness.
Try http://www.upsidedowntext.com/…
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They let you walk out with food at IU?
At my school, ice cream cones were one of the only things you were allowed to walk out with, although people regularly walked out with fruit as well.
Same. I left with the soft serve all the time. Especially since we had weirdly amazing soft serve.