It’s not the jerkwad that’s hot. It’s the intense emotion of violating yourself with a jerkwad that’s hot. Mixing sex with damned near any intense emotion makes the sex hotter: Dominance. Submission. S&M. Humiliation. Embarrassment. Heck, Georges Bataille wrote a whole book to prove disgust is the front door to ecstasy. I haven’t tried anger, but I bet that works too.
Victor Mortimer
Nope. I literally cannot have angry sex, at least of the P in anything variety. I’ve never been able to get hard when angry, it just doesn’t work.
Make-up sex can be fun, but sex in the moment of being angry ain’t gonna happen.
Astariel
It just doesn’t work for me. The last thing I want to do with someone I hate is be vulnerable, which sex basically requires. Even people I would otherwise find physically attractive become gross to me if I hate them.
If hate sex is so great, shouldn’t Trump be the world’s greatest sex symbol?
BarerMender
Trump wouldn’t be hate sex. It would be “get infected with E.coli” sex.
I’m really starting to wonder if Jen’s habit of bi erasure doesn’t stem more from her being a full on lesbian rather than bi in denial. When has Jennifer ever showed this much interest in any man ever?
There was Asher for a while, but apparently he wasn’t enough of a jerk to hold her interest.
Samantha
No it’s obvious she was not that into asher remember it’s implied Raidah orchestrated it. And she was still pining for and hung up on Ruth. And even going back to Ruth trying with Danny. He could tell she wasn’t into him and just acting out. I’m getting the impression Billie thinks she’s supposed to get and bang hot guys and so she does but she’s actually into and likes women. Her interest and fascination has always been with women. Which now is making me think she’s a lesbian in denial or who is dealing with comp het. Like she openly says straight women bang other women they are friends with and the other straight women all say … Uhm no… No we don’t. Only joyce who is bi and in love but in denial with Dorothy was like oh okay.
Thag Simmons
I will note that in terms of this continuity we basically have a sample size of three, and our material for one of those three is extremely fragmentary.
Psychie
I mean, aren’t sexual and romantic attraction technically different spectrums? Like, she could be bisexual and homoromantic or something. Plus, the kinsey scale does go from zero to six, so maybe she’s a five, just attracted enough to guys to be willing to hop on a dick, but much more strongly attracted to women.
Speaking as a straight man, so could totally be wrong, but I’ve always been under the impression that a lesbian (kinsey six) in denial would be actively put off by the idea of being with a man, rather than simply apathetic (or maybe unenthusiastic might be a better word here than apathetic? Considering her treatment of Asher), like, she’s clearly not as into being with men as she has demonstrated being into the women she’s been with, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some amount of attraction, just that it doesn’t seem to have much of a romantic component to it, which might have to do with the magnitude of the attraction, or that the attraction simply doesn’t extend beyond the sexual into the romantic.
eh, whatever
Billie thinks she’s supposed to get and bang hot guys and so she does
If she has a concept of “hot guys”, she is attracted to some guys, and she’s not 6 on the not-actually-Kinsey scale.
Thag Simmons
@eh, whatever not necessarily. You can understand someone to be generally attractive without being personally attracted to them, and you can understand someone to be the sort of person you are expected to court even if you don’t actually feel attracted to them.
I’d agree that’s not what’s going on with the character, but it’s definitely a thing that happens.
Les
Romantic and sexual are different spectrums, and it is my understanding that lesbians do appreciate straight men giving them space, but this can’t translate into straight men policing the borders of lesbian identities. A lot of people “round up” or have one exception that they dig and, unless we happen to be the lucky bloke that’s catching their eye, this is exactly zero percent our business or our problem.
(There’s a high probability that the reply here is going to attach to the wrong post. This UI is pants.)
thejeff
Especially when it’s clearly linked in Jennifer’s world to perceived social status. The “hot” guys are the ones that other girls want to have attracted to them. Winning them means you’re on top of the social hierarchy.
That said, I don’t buy this for Jennifer. It’s possible, but there’s basically no evidence for it and while we can explain away her demonstrated interest in men, that seems like special pleading.
I did have for awhile early on the idea that she was bisexual but homoromantic, given how all her talk of guys was in terms of casual sexual encounters, usually at drunken parties.
FlyingFish
Unclear if that’s relevant, regardless. As others have noted, the abandonment of the “Billie” persona in favor of “Jennifer” has always been flavored as “I desperately want to be popular and ‘normal’; what I was during the first semester as ‘Billie’ was neither.” Well, “normal” girls date boys, *popular* “normal” girls of the cliche she runs with date hot bad boys, and Asher is objectively a hot bad boy (and yes, I can confirm, from personal experience, that it’s possible for a woman to identify what an “objectively hot boy” is while having zero sexual or romantic attraction to guys).
It’s certainly possible that she *is* attracted to Asher, but I see no cause to rule out “she was only ever dating him because her cliche expected it of her.”
thejeff
@FlyingFish: You can’t rule it out, but it’s hard to ever rule out heteronormativity. It wouldn’t be implausible for Jennifer to come as lesbian at some point, but she hasn’t yet done so and there’s nothing explicit and little implicit that suggests otherwise.
Which is why people keep talking about bi-erasure.
Psychie
@Les
I assume that was intended to be a reply to me since I’m the one who both brought up the idea that sexual and romantic attraction are different spectrums and claimed to be a straight man.
I was very clearly working entirely off of observed behavior of Billie, not talking about any real people who will obviously be their own unique individuals with their own preferences and experiences, seeing as she is a fictional character and thus not present in the discussion to define the borders of her own sexuality for us, I don’t see how my engagement in the discussion is any more “policing” said borders than literally anybody else involved. To be frank, considering I was pointing out that we can’t rule out multiple alternative explanations, while others were trying to slap the “lesbian” label on her, I would argue that I was doing LESS “policing her borders” than the people trying to assign a label to her based on their own assumptions and projecting their own feelings/experiences/feelings onto her.
And frankly, to act like I’m somehow doing worse than any others simply because I identified as a straight man, is a horribly bad faith argument. I identified as such to indicate that I have never been a lesbian in denial and thus if someone has a lived experience as being one that contradicts my understanding of how it works, they can do so and I will defer to their superior expertise, as I am going off of second and third hand information rather than first hand. I am not claiming to be an expert, nor telling anyone their experiences are invalid, and I’m certainly not telling anyone they are wrong about sexualities I do not have. I’m not policing anybody else’s sexualities.
I am simply engaging in conversation about a webcomic I love the same as everybody else here, and I do not appreciate being told I don’t have the right to engage because of my gender or sexual identity. Would you? Because, for the record, that is absolutely what you are doing, you might have couched it in more vague terms than that, but the implication that “straight men don’t have the right to engage in this discussion” was patently obvious from your phrasing. Kindly take your misandry and screw off.
I do vaguely recall some instances of her talking about dudes in the same general register as her talking about Raidah here, and of course there’s the old continuity. You could read most of that as comphet, but I don’t think that’s the intent and I’d be surprised if that was ever canonized.
With Jennifer that is, I have an extremely strong gut feeling that Alice is just outright gay.
Ever since it became clear what she had with Asher was 100% performative, I’ve been fairly certain she’s a lesbian in deep denial. She could be bi, but if so, definitely sapphic. I just don’t think she’s been attracted to a man that we’ve seen.
Ooh, good point. Is Jennifer/Kit Fisto an option on Kickstarter for the Digital Commission of Two Characters Totally Making Out? Kit Fisto has a tag and everything!
Not gonna lie, seeing a big chunk of conversation around questioning Jennifer’s bisexuality because she hasn’t performed her attraction to men to your satisfaction feels a little gross.
Sirksome
It does feel a little like the opposite side of the coin as “you’re not bi if you’re dating the opposite gender” I remember Ruth getting some of that for sticking with Jason. I guess you’re also not bi if you show attraction to the same gender. It’s just bi erasure all the way down. Maybe the truth is Billifer can like who she likes and she just wasn’t super into Asher. There’s also just tons more women in the cast than men so there’s not a lot of opportunity to show even passing interest in guys in general. Most are taken, and one of the single ones is basically her brother.
Bill Erak
Maybe I’m bisexual and I get to read a character however the hell I want. You don’t see me questioning Joyce or Dorothy’s bisexuality or any of the other bis around.
Dandi_Andi
@Bill
Of course you can. Doesn’t make it not gross.
Meadow
Hi, lesbian who used to identify as bi here, that shit happens and it’s fair to consider whether a fictional character might be in a similar situation, sometimes you think you like men and you happen to be dead wrong, people are allowed to be wrong about their sexuality and change their minds without being “problematic” for it
Dandi_Andi
And there’s no indication that Jennifer is such a person. But as a bisexual person who’s had my queerness challenged by other bisexuals who didn’t find my prior relationships sufficiently valid, this conversation continues to feel gross.
thejeff
@sirksome: We also didn’t see the initial period with Asher, when they would have had that new relationship energy and been especially into each other. Even when we first saw them together it was all in public. We didn’t get any private moments with them until they were already showing problems.
Meadow
Well the difference is that you’re a real-ass person and Billie’s a fictional character, plenty of things that would be weird or assholish behavior to someone you know are perfectly reasonable for fictional characters; shipping, speculating on their private life, wanting them dead for some characters, hell even just continuing to call her “Billie” would be asshole behavior if she was a real person, but because she’s a fictional construct we aren’t hurting her by doing so
People are speculating about the directions that every character is gonna go in, and I don’t think it’s any more assholish in this case to speculate about the specifics of Billie’s repressed sapphic feelings just because it resembles the way some assholes have treated you, because you’re real and Billie’s not
Victor Mortimer
Yep, definitely gross.
She’s expressed interest in banging guys, she’s even sorta expressed it while in a relationship with Ruthless. She’s not a strict lesbian, even if she doesn’t really understand what bi means yet.
Dandi_Andi
@Meadow
So it’s totally fine if we call Ethan a f****t, right? He’s not a real person. And we don’t have to consider how the way we talk about fictional characters might impact the people who relate to those characters.
I’m actually starting to agree. Like it’s very very suspect to me that we have never seen Jennifer actually invested in a relationship with a man. It’s always been girls. I’m really starting to think she’s a lesbian denying it who has had attraction-less relationships with men. And her reactions to joyce discovering she’s bi is also kind of sus
Yeah its starting to feel like possible comp het. Jennifer has been shown to be incredibly acceptable to societal pressure and expectation. She was the hot party girl cheerleader. She is supposed to bang and get the hot guys. It’s starting to feel like this is less her own interest and more an expectation she feels she’s supposed to have.
This makes it seem like that last strip was Billie trying to make a joke/her sense of humor and Raidah having absolutely none of it. Actually that’s exactly what it is, isn’t it?
Raidah no longer even attempts social niceties, or seemingly has any real friends. The only facet of her personality we get to see anymore is “ruthless social climber”.
Mx. Willis was kind enough to show the first two panels of this strip to me and my partner back at SPX, and I am so so so glad that the Raidah “You will never top me” parapraxis panel that has rotated in my brain for months has finally been released. Comic of all time, this rules.
Oh I know it tracks with their dating histories, there is no denying that. But of all the people to lust over…well I’m expecting nothing comes of it romantically.
158 thoughts on “Top”
Abdomino
God, I get it
Astariel
Ugh, no, it really doesn’t.
VallariaGreen
Thank you! I do not get how people think jerkwads like th8is are hot and not just annoying.
BarerMender
It’s not the jerkwad that’s hot. It’s the intense emotion of violating yourself with a jerkwad that’s hot. Mixing sex with damned near any intense emotion makes the sex hotter: Dominance. Submission. S&M. Humiliation. Embarrassment. Heck, Georges Bataille wrote a whole book to prove disgust is the front door to ecstasy. I haven’t tried anger, but I bet that works too.
Victor Mortimer
Nope. I literally cannot have angry sex, at least of the P in anything variety. I’ve never been able to get hard when angry, it just doesn’t work.
Make-up sex can be fun, but sex in the moment of being angry ain’t gonna happen.
Astariel
It just doesn’t work for me. The last thing I want to do with someone I hate is be vulnerable, which sex basically requires. Even people I would otherwise find physically attractive become gross to me if I hate them.
If hate sex is so great, shouldn’t Trump be the world’s greatest sex symbol?
BarerMender
Trump wouldn’t be hate sex. It would be “get infected with E.coli” sex.
NGPZ
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY XD ^-^
mindbleach
There’s a reason that “should” and “would” are different concepts.
TrueVCU
MOOOOOM THE LESBIANS ARE BEING PROBLEMATIC AGAIN!
Rose By Any Other Name
I’m really starting to wonder if Jen’s habit of bi erasure doesn’t stem more from her being a full on lesbian rather than bi in denial. When has Jennifer ever showed this much interest in any man ever?
StClair
There was Asher for a while, but apparently he wasn’t enough of a jerk to hold her interest.
Samantha
No it’s obvious she was not that into asher remember it’s implied Raidah orchestrated it. And she was still pining for and hung up on Ruth. And even going back to Ruth trying with Danny. He could tell she wasn’t into him and just acting out. I’m getting the impression Billie thinks she’s supposed to get and bang hot guys and so she does but she’s actually into and likes women. Her interest and fascination has always been with women. Which now is making me think she’s a lesbian in denial or who is dealing with comp het. Like she openly says straight women bang other women they are friends with and the other straight women all say … Uhm no… No we don’t. Only joyce who is bi and in love but in denial with Dorothy was like oh okay.
Thag Simmons
I will note that in terms of this continuity we basically have a sample size of three, and our material for one of those three is extremely fragmentary.
Psychie
I mean, aren’t sexual and romantic attraction technically different spectrums? Like, she could be bisexual and homoromantic or something. Plus, the kinsey scale does go from zero to six, so maybe she’s a five, just attracted enough to guys to be willing to hop on a dick, but much more strongly attracted to women.
Speaking as a straight man, so could totally be wrong, but I’ve always been under the impression that a lesbian (kinsey six) in denial would be actively put off by the idea of being with a man, rather than simply apathetic (or maybe unenthusiastic might be a better word here than apathetic? Considering her treatment of Asher), like, she’s clearly not as into being with men as she has demonstrated being into the women she’s been with, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some amount of attraction, just that it doesn’t seem to have much of a romantic component to it, which might have to do with the magnitude of the attraction, or that the attraction simply doesn’t extend beyond the sexual into the romantic.
eh, whatever
Billie thinks she’s supposed to get and bang hot guys and so she does
If she has a concept of “hot guys”, she is attracted to some guys, and she’s not 6 on the not-actually-Kinsey scale.
Thag Simmons
@eh, whatever not necessarily. You can understand someone to be generally attractive without being personally attracted to them, and you can understand someone to be the sort of person you are expected to court even if you don’t actually feel attracted to them.
I’d agree that’s not what’s going on with the character, but it’s definitely a thing that happens.
Les
Romantic and sexual are different spectrums, and it is my understanding that lesbians do appreciate straight men giving them space, but this can’t translate into straight men policing the borders of lesbian identities. A lot of people “round up” or have one exception that they dig and, unless we happen to be the lucky bloke that’s catching their eye, this is exactly zero percent our business or our problem.
(There’s a high probability that the reply here is going to attach to the wrong post. This UI is pants.)
thejeff
Especially when it’s clearly linked in Jennifer’s world to perceived social status. The “hot” guys are the ones that other girls want to have attracted to them. Winning them means you’re on top of the social hierarchy.
That said, I don’t buy this for Jennifer. It’s possible, but there’s basically no evidence for it and while we can explain away her demonstrated interest in men, that seems like special pleading.
I did have for awhile early on the idea that she was bisexual but homoromantic, given how all her talk of guys was in terms of casual sexual encounters, usually at drunken parties.
FlyingFish
Unclear if that’s relevant, regardless. As others have noted, the abandonment of the “Billie” persona in favor of “Jennifer” has always been flavored as “I desperately want to be popular and ‘normal’; what I was during the first semester as ‘Billie’ was neither.” Well, “normal” girls date boys, *popular* “normal” girls of the cliche she runs with date hot bad boys, and Asher is objectively a hot bad boy (and yes, I can confirm, from personal experience, that it’s possible for a woman to identify what an “objectively hot boy” is while having zero sexual or romantic attraction to guys).
It’s certainly possible that she *is* attracted to Asher, but I see no cause to rule out “she was only ever dating him because her cliche expected it of her.”
thejeff
@FlyingFish: You can’t rule it out, but it’s hard to ever rule out heteronormativity. It wouldn’t be implausible for Jennifer to come as lesbian at some point, but she hasn’t yet done so and there’s nothing explicit and little implicit that suggests otherwise.
Which is why people keep talking about bi-erasure.
Psychie
@Les
I assume that was intended to be a reply to me since I’m the one who both brought up the idea that sexual and romantic attraction are different spectrums and claimed to be a straight man.
I was very clearly working entirely off of observed behavior of Billie, not talking about any real people who will obviously be their own unique individuals with their own preferences and experiences, seeing as she is a fictional character and thus not present in the discussion to define the borders of her own sexuality for us, I don’t see how my engagement in the discussion is any more “policing” said borders than literally anybody else involved. To be frank, considering I was pointing out that we can’t rule out multiple alternative explanations, while others were trying to slap the “lesbian” label on her, I would argue that I was doing LESS “policing her borders” than the people trying to assign a label to her based on their own assumptions and projecting their own feelings/experiences/feelings onto her.
And frankly, to act like I’m somehow doing worse than any others simply because I identified as a straight man, is a horribly bad faith argument. I identified as such to indicate that I have never been a lesbian in denial and thus if someone has a lived experience as being one that contradicts my understanding of how it works, they can do so and I will defer to their superior expertise, as I am going off of second and third hand information rather than first hand. I am not claiming to be an expert, nor telling anyone their experiences are invalid, and I’m certainly not telling anyone they are wrong about sexualities I do not have. I’m not policing anybody else’s sexualities.
I am simply engaging in conversation about a webcomic I love the same as everybody else here, and I do not appreciate being told I don’t have the right to engage because of my gender or sexual identity. Would you? Because, for the record, that is absolutely what you are doing, you might have couched it in more vague terms than that, but the implication that “straight men don’t have the right to engage in this discussion” was patently obvious from your phrasing. Kindly take your misandry and screw off.
Getes
I can’t recall her ever showing interest in any man.
Shade
Yeah Asher felt more like an accessory with how she treated him.
drs
Billie tried to jump Danny, way early on.
Also she seemed pretty happy with guys in Roomies/Walky, and Willis has said sexuality is conserved across his universes.
Thag Simmons
I do vaguely recall some instances of her talking about dudes in the same general register as her talking about Raidah here, and of course there’s the old continuity. You could read most of that as comphet, but I don’t think that’s the intent and I’d be surprised if that was ever canonized.
With Jennifer that is, I have an extremely strong gut feeling that Alice is just outright gay.
Bill Erak
Ever since it became clear what she had with Asher was 100% performative, I’ve been fairly certain she’s a lesbian in deep denial. She could be bi, but if so, definitely sapphic. I just don’t think she’s been attracted to a man that we’ve seen.
Kammon
Kit Fisto. She was pretty into that guy.
Leadsynth
Ooh, good point. Is Jennifer/Kit Fisto an option on Kickstarter for the Digital Commission of Two Characters Totally Making Out? Kit Fisto has a tag and everything!
Dandi_Andi
Not gonna lie, seeing a big chunk of conversation around questioning Jennifer’s bisexuality because she hasn’t performed her attraction to men to your satisfaction feels a little gross.
Sirksome
It does feel a little like the opposite side of the coin as “you’re not bi if you’re dating the opposite gender” I remember Ruth getting some of that for sticking with Jason. I guess you’re also not bi if you show attraction to the same gender. It’s just bi erasure all the way down. Maybe the truth is Billifer can like who she likes and she just wasn’t super into Asher. There’s also just tons more women in the cast than men so there’s not a lot of opportunity to show even passing interest in guys in general. Most are taken, and one of the single ones is basically her brother.
Bill Erak
Maybe I’m bisexual and I get to read a character however the hell I want. You don’t see me questioning Joyce or Dorothy’s bisexuality or any of the other bis around.
Dandi_Andi
@Bill
Of course you can. Doesn’t make it not gross.
Meadow
Hi, lesbian who used to identify as bi here, that shit happens and it’s fair to consider whether a fictional character might be in a similar situation, sometimes you think you like men and you happen to be dead wrong, people are allowed to be wrong about their sexuality and change their minds without being “problematic” for it
Dandi_Andi
And there’s no indication that Jennifer is such a person. But as a bisexual person who’s had my queerness challenged by other bisexuals who didn’t find my prior relationships sufficiently valid, this conversation continues to feel gross.
thejeff
@sirksome: We also didn’t see the initial period with Asher, when they would have had that new relationship energy and been especially into each other. Even when we first saw them together it was all in public. We didn’t get any private moments with them until they were already showing problems.
Meadow
Well the difference is that you’re a real-ass person and Billie’s a fictional character, plenty of things that would be weird or assholish behavior to someone you know are perfectly reasonable for fictional characters; shipping, speculating on their private life, wanting them dead for some characters, hell even just continuing to call her “Billie” would be asshole behavior if she was a real person, but because she’s a fictional construct we aren’t hurting her by doing so
People are speculating about the directions that every character is gonna go in, and I don’t think it’s any more assholish in this case to speculate about the specifics of Billie’s repressed sapphic feelings just because it resembles the way some assholes have treated you, because you’re real and Billie’s not
Victor Mortimer
Yep, definitely gross.
She’s expressed interest in banging guys, she’s even sorta expressed it while in a relationship with Ruthless. She’s not a strict lesbian, even if she doesn’t really understand what bi means yet.
Dandi_Andi
@Meadow
So it’s totally fine if we call Ethan a f****t, right? He’s not a real person. And we don’t have to consider how the way we talk about fictional characters might impact the people who relate to those characters.
Thag Simmons
@Dandi_Andi that’s a whole new sentence
Ray
Fresh Jennifer hatesex ship…..
Steamweed
Perhaps I can interest you in a three-way hatesex ship?
ThomasQuinn
No thanks, I’m worried about getting sexually transmitted sea sickness.
Samantha
I’m actually starting to agree. Like it’s very very suspect to me that we have never seen Jennifer actually invested in a relationship with a man. It’s always been girls. I’m really starting to think she’s a lesbian denying it who has had attraction-less relationships with men. And her reactions to joyce discovering she’s bi is also kind of sus
RassilonTDavros
I assume this was meant to be a response to Rose’s comment above?
Samantha
Oh my goodness yes it was. I’m so sorry.
Samantha
Yeah its starting to feel like possible comp het. Jennifer has been shown to be incredibly acceptable to societal pressure and expectation. She was the hot party girl cheerleader. She is supposed to bang and get the hot guys. It’s starting to feel like this is less her own interest and more an expectation she feels she’s supposed to have.
Rosicrucian
We’re really learning why Billie wound up with Ruth, and why Asher being a good boyfriend was never gonna satisfy her.
Steamweed
Billifer, please do not teach Alice the dark side. The light side, yes. By all means, do please teach Alice the light side.
Rosicrucian
Oh, she already taught Alice.
How else do you think Alice got a taste for it?
Thag Simmons
I do not think Jennifer has ever been qualified to teach Alice the light side.
I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams
This is my superbowl
Grimey
This makes it seem like that last strip was Billie trying to make a joke/her sense of humor and Raidah having absolutely none of it. Actually that’s exactly what it is, isn’t it?
Needfuldoer
Raidah no longer even attempts social niceties, or seemingly has any real friends. The only facet of her personality we get to see anymore is “ruthless social climber”.
Gigafreak
No, no, Raidah is not the one who climbed Ruthless here
Taffy
Alice is correct and telling the truth.
Stormtide Leviathan
Beautiful. Dykes with emotional problems and unhealthy attractions. My ideal story
Rose By Any Other Name
Truly, these are our people.
Dot
RAIDAH PEGS!!!!!!!!
Rosicrucian
I knew this would lure you out.
I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams
Mx. Willis was kind enough to show the first two panels of this strip to me and my partner back at SPX, and I am so so so glad that the Raidah “You will never top me” parapraxis panel that has rotated in my brain for months has finally been released. Comic of all time, this rules.
RassilonTDavros
I like your Grav!
BarerMender
Thanks for introducing me to the word “parapaxis.”
BarerMender
parapraxis
JessWitt
I’ll just pretend this strip stopped on the fifth panel.
Taffy
Coward.
Thag Simmons
I mean, it’s not exactly out of character for either of these two to be attracted to extremely toxic girls
JessWitt
Oh I know it tracks with their dating histories, there is no denying that. But of all the people to lust over…well I’m expecting nothing comes of it romantically.
Pocky
you deny reality
Astariel
Ooh, that’s a good idea.
Taigan
“Maybe we could gang up on her? … in a violent way, I mean! Because she’s so unlikable!”
Amós Batista
thanks, Raidah, for making Jennifer gay again
Rose By Any Other Name