So what on-the-nose pop song do you think Asma hears in her head when Alice speaks to her?
Dream Weaver is my pick, but I’m old and still consider Wayne’s World to be a cultural touchstone. Pretty sure todays kids do not say “SHWING!” and a song written in this century would be more appropriate.
I’m not sure if this fits the “written in this century” criteria, but i would put “You & Me” by Tiger Trap in my ballot for hypothetical Asma bittersweet crush montage music
Rescinding my original suggestion and swapping it with “Estrangers (Wild Honey Pie Buzzsession version)” by No Vacation because it hit me like a truck this morning how much of a better fit that song is lmfao
Sure seems like it. I was kind of surprise to see her indifferent attitude to Alice remembering her name. I was expecting more “Sempai noticed me!” and not “That’s my name; don’t wear it out”.
Technically it would be a case of “Kouhai noticed me” here, as Alice is a first-year and I’m pretty sure Asma isn’t.
stePH
I first learned the words sempai and kouhai reading Michael Crichton’s novel Rising Sun.
TrueSurvivor
I have not read that novel. Do you reccommend it? I like sci-fi murder mystery, though It seems the social commentary perhaps outdated (Japan’s rapid rise did not infact lead to them taking over the US and no longer seems to threaten to do so). Still, I suppose the core fears of cultural and economic replacement by foriegn powers is as strong as ever.
Li
The novel is about those fears, in part, but in no way did it validate them, imho, so that part isn’t really outdated.
Cbwroses
How accurate is the movie compared to the book?
Assuming that the movie starring Older James Bond and younger Blade is based on the novel.
Li
It’s based on it! In some places it’s pretty accurate, and in other places it’s almost the exact opposite of the book, very much including how the mystery turns out — which is also a lot less complicated in the movie.
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Wesley Snipes’s character is white in the book, and, man, I really like Snipes as an actor, but I don’t think enough thought was put into what needed to be changed about the script. It’s a story about racism and xenophobia: the main character being Black should’ve changed a lot more than it did.
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Also: a lot of the characters in the book are racist, to one degree or another. So be aware of that. It was pretty toothless in the movie; in the book, there’s some slurs, including one pointed use of the n-word that especially sticks out in my mind because I wasn’t expecting it. Sean Connery’s character was asked why he left Japan, and he’s quiet for a moment, then says he was tired of being treated like a (n-word), which. You know. Yeah, Japan has legit discriminated against foreigners to various extents, but also: shut up, white character! I think it makes his character a lot less sympathetic. And I think it was supposed to; I think the main character, also white, is kind of stunned by the language and doesn’t know how to react to it, but I don’t remember, it’s been a while since I read.)
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(And that that scene isn’t in the movie version so Wesley Snipes didn’t get to say, fucking excuse me???? is just. Yeah. Like I said, didn’t change enough about the story.)
Cbwroses
Thanks. I saw it like 20 years ago and didn’t really remember it.
I have not heard that term applied in that sexual fashion, but if any single word signifies the nature of the Dumbing of Age cast both individually and collectively, it is the term for a snake eating itself alive.
I believe it was Walky that said something along the lines of “Our friend group’s smoochy chart is basically an ouroboros”, which was then used as the title for one of the print volumes of the comic.
Just saying, Alice, Asma, Billifer, Raidah (ideally only if she’s being topped by one of them or anyone) they look good together. We could get this dumbing group b started. Knock over that selfish, garbage bisexual, Joyce Brown and her cabal of obnoxious weirdos and replace her with your own. Start a civil war! Add Joe and Dina to the mix because I like them! This can happen!
I like that idea, however I would like the regular plot of dumbing of age to continue … only entirely in the back ground or off screen. Like you can catch Joyce and Dorothy having an argument across the quad in the background of a script focused on Billie and Raidah. When the cast gets back from Spring Break, Joyce and Becky are trudging by in the hall way with burnt hair, stiches, and Mad Max costumes. We still do the Amazi-girl plot, but never see Amber again, because its all just Billie stalking Sal to try to get the inside scoop on Amazi-girls offscreen super-hero show downs. Etc,
Let them all coalesce into 3 major polycules! The Joyothy polycule, the Jennice polycule, and still keeping the original, seed Siergrandy (howinhell we write _that_ one?) polycule. The polycule trio! The Tripolycule!
To be fair to Asma she 1) doesn’t know Dorothy and Joyce well 2) they only invited her to go bowling because of white guilt and a performative need to “make up” for the protest fiasco and 3) Dorothy and Joyce survived just fine after she walked away. They basically went on a bowling date. Nothing of value was really lost by her leaving.
Idk, she was literally sitting right there two pages ago as Jennifer proclaimed “This is Alice.” Seems like the sort of thing she would’ve paid attention to and filed away.
Wow, what a thing to just say to someone you just met and who’s boundaries you don’t know. Maybe I’m right and Amber really did take over writing the comic.
I think you have to take the full context here, including that Asma was noticeably very interested in talk of making out during their last conversation, and assume her tone (Adam’s tone) here is remorseful rather than forbidding.
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Doctor_Who
So what on-the-nose pop song do you think Asma hears in her head when Alice speaks to her?
Dream Weaver is my pick, but I’m old and still consider Wayne’s World to be a cultural touchstone. Pretty sure todays kids do not say “SHWING!” and a song written in this century would be more appropriate.
I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams
I’m not sure if this fits the “written in this century” criteria, but i would put “You & Me” by Tiger Trap in my ballot for hypothetical Asma bittersweet crush montage music
I Know Why The Mowed Lawn Screams
Rescinding my original suggestion and swapping it with “Estrangers (Wild Honey Pie Buzzsession version)” by No Vacation because it hit me like a truck this morning how much of a better fit that song is lmfao
Dwampre Scorrigank
Worry with You by Sleater Kinney.
I had thought, there was no place for what I feel
And then I learned, you are the place for what I feel
Come at me with all of your swagger
The strength of you is what I’ve been after
If I’m gonna mess up, I’m gonna mess up with you
Casi
If it were me, it’d be “The She Goes” by the La La Las covered by Sixpence None the Richer
shadebug
Obviously the kids need a newer film like Wayne’s World 2 so Foxie Lady
Zygorth
I Love You Always Forever by Donna Lewis
Sirksome
Wow that bowling date with the Joyothy broke Asma’s spirit.
Grimey
I know right. First time someone genuinely remembers her name, and it’s the girl she was crushing on. But nope—socializing was a mistake.
Nono
Socialising was a mistake…
…it’s lesbian early DoA Sarah?
Cholma
Sure seems like it. I was kind of surprise to see her indifferent attitude to Alice remembering her name. I was expecting more “Sempai noticed me!” and not “That’s my name; don’t wear it out”.
Tan
Technically it would be a case of “Kouhai noticed me” here, as Alice is a first-year and I’m pretty sure Asma isn’t.
stePH
I first learned the words sempai and kouhai reading Michael Crichton’s novel Rising Sun.
TrueSurvivor
I have not read that novel. Do you reccommend it? I like sci-fi murder mystery, though It seems the social commentary perhaps outdated (Japan’s rapid rise did not infact lead to them taking over the US and no longer seems to threaten to do so). Still, I suppose the core fears of cultural and economic replacement by foriegn powers is as strong as ever.
Li
The novel is about those fears, in part, but in no way did it validate them, imho, so that part isn’t really outdated.
Cbwroses
How accurate is the movie compared to the book?
Assuming that the movie starring Older James Bond and younger Blade is based on the novel.
Li
It’s based on it! In some places it’s pretty accurate, and in other places it’s almost the exact opposite of the book, very much including how the mystery turns out — which is also a lot less complicated in the movie.
.
Wesley Snipes’s character is white in the book, and, man, I really like Snipes as an actor, but I don’t think enough thought was put into what needed to be changed about the script. It’s a story about racism and xenophobia: the main character being Black should’ve changed a lot more than it did.
.
Also: a lot of the characters in the book are racist, to one degree or another. So be aware of that. It was pretty toothless in the movie; in the book, there’s some slurs, including one pointed use of the n-word that especially sticks out in my mind because I wasn’t expecting it. Sean Connery’s character was asked why he left Japan, and he’s quiet for a moment, then says he was tired of being treated like a (n-word), which. You know. Yeah, Japan has legit discriminated against foreigners to various extents, but also: shut up, white character! I think it makes his character a lot less sympathetic. And I think it was supposed to; I think the main character, also white, is kind of stunned by the language and doesn’t know how to react to it, but I don’t remember, it’s been a while since I read.)
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(And that that scene isn’t in the movie version so Wesley Snipes didn’t get to say, fucking excuse me???? is just. Yeah. Like I said, didn’t change enough about the story.)
Cbwroses
Thanks. I saw it like 20 years ago and didn’t really remember it.
anon
i mean, at this point would alice agree to a ‘date’ if she’s hung up on billiefer unless it’s like ‘hangout and get closer naturally’
tho ik inda wanna see asma and dina date while dina and becky are broken up lol
QueenofSodor
“i hope thing go horribly, terribly wrong for you, asma! just the absolute worst possible outcome! :D” -alice chen, 20xx
Risky
That outcome being my pants
Steamweed
Or lack thereof, for some horribly wrong memorable time.
Cholma
“Our top story today: Student tragically caught in unexpected smooching incident!”
SecUnit (formerly Cimorene)
Last time it was front page news!
clif
It’s one of those evergreen things.
IntangibleMatter
Asma might be able to have things work out, after all.
I hope she and Alice end up together.
I have no ulterior motives, aside from being a huge sicko for Billie/Ruth
Karla Jean
Okay, that’s a good line.
Bryy
I’m honestly surprised, as Alice was going pretty friggin’ hard at Jennifer, and not enough time has passed for friction.
V
haha get it girlllllll (which girl (yes))
Freezer
In that last panel, it looks like Asma’s brain is buffering at thought of actual positivity being directed at her.
That or she’s struggling not to read too much into Alice’s words.
Needfuldoer
Can’t honestly say I blame her. The last social engagement she agreed to was bowling, and look how that turned out.
Bryy
Wow, Alice was a completely normal thing to say to someone you do not like in that way.
Throwatron
i think Alice is just Like This
TCS
To me it just reads as “aw, I hope you find someone,” not directly flirting.
Cholma
That’s how I read it, too.
NGPZ
hahahha aaaaawwwwee XD ^-^
for reals tho i really wanna see em connect
Suet
Names are important, the ouroboros isn’t.
ㅤ
(unless Asma wants to be added to that pile)
TrueSurvivor
I have not heard that term applied in that sexual fashion, but if any single word signifies the nature of the Dumbing of Age cast both individually and collectively, it is the term for a snake eating itself alive.
SunflowerBanjo
I believe it was Walky that said something along the lines of “Our friend group’s smoochy chart is basically an ouroboros”, which was then used as the title for one of the print volumes of the comic.
Steamweed
Dumbing of Ouroboros
(DoO)
RassilonTDavros
“I’m still not on board with this whole “becoming plot-relevant” thing, need some time to think it over”
Steamweed
“Become part of the plot in DoA?! Hell no! People get hurt that way!”
“But there’s kissing.”
“Damn you.”
Sirksome
Just saying, Alice, Asma, Billifer, Raidah (ideally only if she’s being topped by one of them or anyone) they look good together. We could get this dumbing group b started. Knock over that selfish, garbage bisexual, Joyce Brown and her cabal of obnoxious weirdos and replace her with your own. Start a civil war! Add Joe and Dina to the mix because I like them! This can happen!
TrueSurvivor
I like that idea, however I would like the regular plot of dumbing of age to continue … only entirely in the back ground or off screen. Like you can catch Joyce and Dorothy having an argument across the quad in the background of a script focused on Billie and Raidah. When the cast gets back from Spring Break, Joyce and Becky are trudging by in the hall way with burnt hair, stiches, and Mad Max costumes. We still do the Amazi-girl plot, but never see Amber again, because its all just Billie stalking Sal to try to get the inside scoop on Amazi-girls offscreen super-hero show downs. Etc,
Steamweed
Let them all coalesce into 3 major polycules! The Joyothy polycule, the Jennice polycule, and still keeping the original, seed Siergrandy (howinhell we write _that_ one?) polycule. The polycule trio! The Tripolycule!
Astariel
Gramandierra, according to the door of their room.
Steamweed
Ah excellent!
darkoneko
…what
CT Phipps
I hate that Asma just abandoned Dorothy and Joyce when she found out that Alice wouldn’t be there.
That was horribly rude.
Doopyboop
To be fair to Asma she 1) doesn’t know Dorothy and Joyce well 2) they only invited her to go bowling because of white guilt and a performative need to “make up” for the protest fiasco and 3) Dorothy and Joyce survived just fine after she walked away. They basically went on a bowling date. Nothing of value was really lost by her leaving.
Cameron Stone
Yeah she should have know better and not have gotten involved with those two numbskulls in the first place.
Astariel
Yeah, that was pretty rude.
yak
huh, maybe the reason I can never keep track of who’s smoochin’ or bangin’ is that it takes so long for names to stick in my head.
John Campbell
I’m assuming Asma is just being grumpy because she still doesn’t know Alice’s name, and Alice is making it increasingly awkward for her to ask.
Folus
Idk, she was literally sitting right there two pages ago as Jennifer proclaimed “This is Alice.” Seems like the sort of thing she would’ve paid attention to and filed away.
John Campbell
She was all the way across the lobby. She might not have heard.
Minivet
Looking back at that panel, Asma was looking right at them (over her book) and they were maybe 5 meters away; no more than 8.
StClair
Wave off, Asma! Abort, abort!
Once you start down the Drama path, forever it will dominate your destiny, consume you it will!
Kevin K
I, for one, welcome the new opportunity for more Asma Drama™.
Hell Yeah
gotta pull out the drama tag sometime!
Cameron Stone
Wow, what a thing to just say to someone you just met and who’s boundaries you don’t know. Maybe I’m right and Amber really did take over writing the comic.
Bryy
It’s well within Alice’s character. Even more-so if she indeed thinks Asma is cute.
Bobby
you must be a hoot at parties
Cameron Stone
There’s a time and a place for mucking about.
Lys
I think from Alice’s perspective the conversation went like this:
Asma – “I’m too busy for relationships.”
Alice – “Awh, I hope that changes for you.”
Which is a reasonable and appropriate exchage.
Li
I think you have to take the full context here, including that Asma was noticeably very interested in talk of making out during their last conversation, and assume her tone (Adam’s tone) here is remorseful rather than forbidding.
Li
*Asma’s tone, sigh
Adam Black
I get blamed for everything
Dot
There’s a love square going on here in which none of the participants are aware of the full scope.
Pocky
relationship geometry is hard
clif