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Sweat it

by David M Willis on June 25, 2018 at 12:01 am
  • 04 – Of Mike And Men

└ Tags: dorothy, jacob, jennifer, joyce, sarah

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    June 25, 2018 at 12:03 am | #

    Joyce, you’re about to do that anyway

    • Batman
      Batman
      June 25, 2018 at 1:52 am | #

      Gigidty

    • Zortac88
      Zortac88
      June 27, 2018 at 1:26 pm | #

      I lasso’d myself to my backpack once. They had to call the fire department to free me.

  2. Stu
    Stu
    June 25, 2018 at 12:04 am | #

    Kinky.

    • Lilyliv
      Lilyliv
      June 25, 2018 at 12:04 am | #

      Aw man, you beat me to it! 🙂

  3. King Daniel
    King Daniel
    June 25, 2018 at 12:04 am | #

    Joyce is speaking with black-and-white speech bubbles. Is she undead?

    • ShinyNeen
      ShinyNeen
      June 25, 2018 at 12:19 am | #

      Ooh, maybe she and Ruth finally understand each other!

      • King Daniel
        King Daniel
        June 25, 2018 at 12:37 am | #

        Perhaps link text goes hereAmber may want to join the club as well?

        • King Daniel
          King Daniel
          June 25, 2018 at 12:38 am | #

          Uh, just pretend I put this link: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-2/01-pajama-jeans/time/

      • space
        space
        June 25, 2018 at 1:16 am | #

        Excellent top-tier callback. Modern sitcom writers would applaud at the prestige of this callback. Well done.

    • Batman
      Batman
      June 25, 2018 at 1:53 am | #

      Speaking in tongues

    • Crusading Barista
      Crusading Barista
      June 25, 2018 at 11:30 pm | #

      Richard of LfG would be so proud.

  4. Derek
    Derek
    June 25, 2018 at 12:05 am | #

    re: alt text. Did Faz make the chart?

    • Keulen
      Keulen
      June 25, 2018 at 12:29 am | #

      Either that or maybe Dorothy learned how to make charts from Faz.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        June 25, 2018 at 1:55 am | #

        She’s probably built her college career, if not her entire life, around a Gantt chart. Dating Walky slipped the schedule for freshman year and its dependencies something fierce.

        • MutantSentry
          MutantSentry
          June 26, 2018 at 3:41 pm | #

          So how much time did she spend making the chart?

      • Alan Lafond
        Alan Lafond
        June 25, 2018 at 9:17 pm | #

        So that would be a leather chart, then?

  5. Emily
    Emily
    June 25, 2018 at 12:05 am | #

    “…so I guess our lunch group is down to a threesome?”

    • jeffepp
      jeffepp
      June 25, 2018 at 12:11 am | #

      Slipshine, it is!

      • Freemage
        Freemage
        June 25, 2018 at 10:46 am | #

        Parts of Joyce would likely be totally down with that.

  6. William Leonard Reese Jr.
    William Leonard Reese Jr.
    June 25, 2018 at 12:05 am | #

    Well that was as awkward as I was expecting. Good Joyce. Don’t let your friend self-destruct.

  7. Haven
    Haven
    June 25, 2018 at 12:05 am | #

    Dorothy’s a min-maxer, no way she puts points in charisma unless she’s a sorcerer.

    • Kernanator
      Kernanator
      June 25, 2018 at 12:07 am | #

      She wants to make use of the Diplomacy skill, so yes she put points in it.

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      June 25, 2018 at 12:09 am | #

      Or a bard! Which is probably the closest class equivalent to the career she desires.

      • jeffepp
        jeffepp
        June 25, 2018 at 12:12 am | #

        This.

      • King Daniel
        King Daniel
        June 25, 2018 at 12:14 am | #

        Or an Aristocrat. Lord Shojo made pretty good use of that during his reign, paranoid paladins aside.

        • Fire_daws
          Fire_daws
          June 25, 2018 at 1:13 am | #

          If she wants to follow Shojo’s example she better be ready to lie s lot. And get a cat.

          • foamy
            foamy
            June 25, 2018 at 3:24 am | #

            Good practice for anyone in public life, really.

          • Woobie
            Woobie
            June 30, 2018 at 3:04 pm | #

            Shojo was a NPC; that will never be Dorothy.

  8. Sweet
    Sweet
    June 25, 2018 at 12:05 am | #

    is it me or is that last frame of joyce unfinished?

    • jeffepp
      jeffepp
      June 25, 2018 at 12:14 am | #

      She’s leaning in. The background is some stairs. They kind of merge.

      • Sweet
        Sweet
        June 25, 2018 at 12:16 am | #

        ooooo i see it now

  9. Gojira
    Gojira
    June 25, 2018 at 12:06 am | #

    A chart? Is Faz back?

  10. sdrainbow
    sdrainbow
    June 25, 2018 at 12:06 am | #

    Ooooh, I have lots of empathy for Joyce here. I remember being wrecked in college when my regular lunch meetup got canceled for whatever reason.

  11. Sporky
    Sporky
    June 25, 2018 at 12:07 am | #

    Well, this is a bit of a social trainwreck isn’t it

    • mrnoidea
      mrnoidea
      June 25, 2018 at 12:12 am | #

      Everything’s just been falling down the tubes lately.

  12. TrueVCU
    TrueVCU
    June 25, 2018 at 12:07 am | #

    Joyce lassoing Dorothy is definitely a fetish someone here has and that’s not even kind of a stretch

  13. Passchendaele
    Passchendaele
    June 25, 2018 at 12:08 am | #

    joyce, urban cowgirl

    • Indiana Bones
      Indiana Bones
      June 25, 2018 at 12:42 am | #

      Is this a suggestion for the Slipshine comic?

      • Passchendaele
        Passchendaele
        June 25, 2018 at 11:01 am | #

        “lasso me, joyce! tie me up!”

        “what”

        “you know you want to”

        “what even”

  14. kay
    kay
    June 25, 2018 at 12:08 am | #

    But can she succeed in a charisma check?

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 25, 2018 at 1:57 am | #

      Billie gave her a +1 buff a couple turns strips ago…

  15. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    June 25, 2018 at 12:10 am | #

    *plays “Rhinestone Cowboy” on the hacked P.A. speakers*

  16. BBCC
    BBCC
    June 25, 2018 at 12:10 am | #

    This is gonna be good.

  17. timemonkey
    timemonkey
    June 25, 2018 at 12:12 am | #

    Come on Dorothy, you should have known that ditching Joyce wasn’t going to work. She jumped you in the bathroom stall to dibs your spare time.

  18. mrnoidea
    mrnoidea
    June 25, 2018 at 12:12 am | #

    Billie’s gonna keep her word and go booze up Walky. Or at least herself.

    • Tacos
      Tacos
      June 25, 2018 at 12:17 am | #

      But will she go back to Galasso’s to get the booze?

  19. Larkle
    Larkle
    June 25, 2018 at 12:17 am | #

    I’m thinking Dorothy is going to escape and Joyce and Jacob are going on a ‘date’.

    • mrnoidea
      mrnoidea
      June 25, 2018 at 12:30 am | #

      And then Raidah appears.

      • abysswatcher1993
        abysswatcher1993
        June 25, 2018 at 3:23 am | #

        And then someone is hurt and there’s no going back…

        • Zee
          Zee
          June 25, 2018 at 1:20 pm | #

          Well idk if this will be when that happens. From Jacobs perspective it’s just having lunch with a friend. And I’m not sure how direct raidah will be about the situation. I’m kinda hoping she shows up though for dramas sake.
          Now that I say all that I worry Joyce will the next target of a slander campaign

          • abysswatcher1993
            abysswatcher1993
            June 25, 2018 at 3:40 pm | #

            Joyce: “So this is how it feels to be you?”
            Sarah: “Yeah.”

          • BBCC
            BBCC
            June 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm | #

            Would it be slander to say Joyce is trying to get with Raidah’s boyfriend if Joyce really is trying to get with Raidah’s boyfriend?

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              June 25, 2018 at 7:06 pm | #

              That’s not likely what the slander campaign would be though. If you’re mounting a slander campaign to keep your boy from being interested in another girl, “she’s interested in you” isn’t really the best approach. You want to find or make up nasty dirt of your rival.

              • BBCC
                BBCC
                June 25, 2018 at 7:17 pm | #

                True, but I thought the point of the slander campaign would be telling other people she was trying to get with Jacob’s boyfriend. If the point is telling Jacob mean things about Joyce, it’d probably be other stuff you’re right.

                • thejeff
                  thejeff
                  June 25, 2018 at 8:54 pm | #

                  Well, done correctly, you start the rumors and by the time they get back to Jacob they’re not traceable to you, but yeah.
                  The point of the slander campaign would be to neutralize Joyce as a threat to the relationship and probably punish her for trying.

                  Besides, everybody who might care already knows she’s trying. Mostly before she did.

                • BBCC
                  BBCC
                  June 25, 2018 at 9:49 pm | #

                  Yeah, that all makes sense. I was initially assuming that the slander campaign would be during or after Joyce succeeding.

                • Zee
                  Zee
                  June 26, 2018 at 10:09 am | #

                  Tbh maybe this is just because I hate raidah and have almost no moral standards for her (besides using the word retard I guess) but I can see her convincing people Joyce was lying about being drugged or something. Do people know it was Joyce? Or just that Ryan did it? I can’t remember

  20. Kater
    Kater
    June 25, 2018 at 12:23 am | #

    Is Joyce missing her arms?

    • laladoria
      laladoria
      June 25, 2018 at 9:51 am | #

      She’s leaning into the frame. The torso you think you’re seeing is a background of a road and some stairs.

      • Kater
        Kater
        June 26, 2018 at 10:35 am | #

        Thank you

  21. Harvest Time
    Harvest Time
    June 25, 2018 at 12:37 am | #

    I’m a bit conflicted. On one hand, Dorothy’s being fraying at the seams for a while, and I’m genuinely concerned for her. On the other, we get more sweet, sweet Dorothy time, which is awesome. She’s a lovely, kind cinnamon roll, on the whole. I’m finding myself wishing things were easier for her.

    Which is exactly what this writing should be making me feeling, unfortunately. I just hope she makes it out of this one with her dreams intact, and doesn’t crash too hard.

  22. Bagge
    Bagge
    June 25, 2018 at 12:41 am | #

    No, no Dorothy. Wait until Joyce and Jacob have sat down and THEN make your excuse, to give them a full lunch of flirting.

  23. Indiana Bones
    Indiana Bones
    June 25, 2018 at 12:43 am | #

    So should we start the countdown to Joyce realizing that she’s Bi? Cause it really seems like its coming soon

    • Yumi
      Yumi
      June 25, 2018 at 12:51 am | #

      Honestly, and I almost never say this, I think she’s straight.

      • ǝ snow ʍousɐ
        ǝ snow ʍousɐ
        June 25, 2018 at 1:50 am | #

        Isn’t her heterosexuality Word of Willis?

        • ǝ snow ʍousɐ
          ǝ snow ʍousɐ
          June 25, 2018 at 1:52 am | #

          (by which I refer to this trope)

          • Mel
            Mel
            June 26, 2018 at 5:36 am | #

            It is. His picture of bi characters was Ruth, Billie, Mike and Danny.

        • Griffin Raynor
          Griffin Raynor
          June 28, 2018 at 10:43 pm | #

          Word of Willis is great but it can’t stop me from reading her as bi. I see what I see and what I see is bisexuality.

    • timemonkey
      timemonkey
      June 25, 2018 at 9:02 am | #

      Between Billie, Sal, Dorothy and Becky if Joyce wasn’t straight she would have had that breakdown already.

  24. Dean
    Dean
    June 25, 2018 at 12:57 am | #

    Billie is all, “I undid Joyce’s top button, my work here is done.”

  25. ShinyNeen
    ShinyNeen
    June 25, 2018 at 1:01 am | #

    I swear I was already working on this dumb fanart before I saw this update

    Lunch is still on! Make it happen, Joyce!

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      June 25, 2018 at 2:02 am | #

      The sad Joe in the background is a nice touch!

      • ShinyNeen
        ShinyNeen
        June 25, 2018 at 9:38 am | #

        Thanks!

        Poor Joe : (

    • Batman
      Batman
      June 25, 2018 at 9:59 pm | #

      Jacothy?

  26. cbwroses
    cbwroses
    June 25, 2018 at 1:07 am | #

    Joyce really shouldn’t be surprised about this.
    There was always the possibility that Walky would leave, and Billie doesn’t really hang with Sarah and Dorothy as they’re two serious and straight laced people who neither share in her idea of fun nor are impressed by her former hs status.

    Then there’s Sarah, who probably doesn’t want to watch Jacob flirting with someone else right in front of her face.

    Really, Joyce jumped the gun with this lunch thing. She should have finagled a dinner date with Dorothy instead. Then she’d be much more likely to have her all to herself, vs dividing her attention between multiple people.

  27. newllend(henryvolt)
    newllend(henryvolt)
    June 25, 2018 at 1:08 am | #

    Billie’s actually putting in the time to support her surrogate brother, good on her.

    • JessWitt
      JessWitt
      June 25, 2018 at 3:44 am | #

      Her insistence to help adds to my suspicions for where Walky’s story could lead.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      June 25, 2018 at 7:22 am | #

      Well her plan is probably still to get him drunk, which gives her an excuse to drink too, so it’s not like her motives are pure.

  28. JessWitt
    JessWitt
    June 25, 2018 at 1:20 am | #

    Oof I’m real confused by Billie’s double negative.

    And cut Dorothy some slack, Sarah. She just dumped Walky and is going through the rough post-breakup motions (though Walky has it just as rough if not more).

    • Selement
      Selement
      June 25, 2018 at 2:01 am | #

      I don’t see a double negative. Those who say ‘Could care less’ when they mean ‘couldn’t care less’ are the ones who are saying it wrong. Yes I realise that’s most people! Seems to be more so from Americans than over here in the UK. Arguably it’s been so misused that could care less now leans couldn’t care less… but it definately isnt a double negative!

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        June 25, 2018 at 2:08 am | #

        ♫ I hate these word crimes
        Like “I could care less”
        That means you do care
        (at least a little)
        ♫

        It’s almost as bad as using “walla” instead of “voila”, especially in writing…

        • JessWitt
          JessWitt
          June 25, 2018 at 3:38 am | #

          Weird Al answers everything.

          People say “walla” for “voila”? My brain just twitched a little.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        June 25, 2018 at 7:27 am | #

        It’s an idiom. It means what it means, not what the parts mean.

        • Michael
          Michael
          June 25, 2018 at 1:43 pm | #

          ಠ_ಠ “I couldn’t care less” is NOT an idiom just because people usually get the grammar wrong but are still usually understood. Idioms are phrases like “it’s in the bag” or “piece of cake”.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            June 25, 2018 at 2:49 pm | #

            It’s been common usage for 50ish years. There are various explanations for its evolution and existence. Like other apparently nonsensical idioms like “head over heels”.
            Like it or not, usage defines language – especially slang and idiom.

            Or as always there’s an xkcd for that.

  29. Defensor
    Defensor
    June 25, 2018 at 1:25 am | #

    Do people with charisma NOT apologize? Does it detract from one’s dignity?

    • Jason
      Jason
      June 25, 2018 at 1:38 am | #

      Pretty sure people with charisma absolutely apologise- when there’s a good reason to. Apologising without good reason feels kind of cringy- like the person is cringy, or eager to please, or in some other way lacking in confidence and self belief. And a lack of self belief is sort of the opposite of charismatic imo.

      • Inahc
        Inahc
        June 25, 2018 at 1:56 am | #

        yeah, over-apologising is… not a good look.

        but, there are also still people who give the advice “never apologize”. they’re generally not people you ought to take advice from. they are unfortunately likely to be a subset of people with high charisma. 😛

        • Bathymetheus
          Bathymetheus
          June 25, 2018 at 8:13 am | #

          I’m inclined to suggest that they’re a subset of people who think they have high charisma, e.g. Pointy Haired Bosses.

          • Jason
            Jason
            June 26, 2018 at 12:36 am | #

            I’m inclined to agree with you. What the percentages are on those who genuinely believe that, and those who actually believe they’re awful but hide it (probably even from themselves) is up for debate. I’m going to go with 20/80 though.

      • Roborat
        Roborat
        June 25, 2018 at 6:54 pm | #

        Apologizing without good reason? They could be Canadian.

        • Inahc
          Inahc
          June 25, 2018 at 7:38 pm | #

          Nah, that’s different:) the Canadian “sorry” isn’t necessarily an apology as such; it means something like “oh dear, a bad thing happened. If any of that *was* my fault I didn’t intend it”. It’s for when two people bump into each other, before they sort out whether either of them is at fault. It’s not for when you’re blaming yourself for random shit like Dorothy appears to be doing.

  30. ǝ snow ʍousɐ
    ǝ snow ʍousɐ
    June 25, 2018 at 2:00 am | #

    If Dorothy did leave, it could set up the next Slipshine: “Joyce and Jacob perform a flirt and then suddenly realize they are doing it and get extremely self-conscious after which Jacob questions his relationship with Raidah leading Raidah to confront Sarah and get a confession leading Joyce to blame herself and Jacob is mad until he sees how upset Joyce is over the consequences and consoles her and then they hold hands at the end which makes Joyce really happy because it’s basically fundie first base”

    • Agemegos
      Agemegos
      June 25, 2018 at 2:35 am | #

      https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/base_system.png

      • jeffepp
        jeffepp
        June 25, 2018 at 3:59 am | #

        youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano

        • Agemegos
          Agemegos
          June 25, 2018 at 5:59 am | #

          http://www.dangermouse.net/cricket/baseball.html

  31. BenRG
    BenRG
    June 25, 2018 at 2:03 am | #

    Actually, Joyce, your friends aren’t going to hang out with you and give you camouflage for interacting with Jacob. You’re going to have to one-on-one with him without appearing guilty, nervous or attracted to him. Good luck!

    Meanwhile, I’m pretty sure that Joyce in panel 6 is a one-line summary of a Slipshine!

  32. Reltzik
    Reltzik
    June 25, 2018 at 2:33 am | #

    So, basically, the Dorothy/Walky pairing is what was holding together the group of friends?

    … let’s see. Billie was there (under protest) because of Walky, Joyce because of Dorothy…. Sarah because of…

    …. actually, my flowchart tells me that Joyce is the linchpin of the group, and Sarah only left because the fragile optimism of friendship which was slowly regrowing like a daffodil poking up through the cracks in her concrete heart despite her best attempts to exterminate it just took a bad beating.

    • Agemegos
      Agemegos
      June 25, 2018 at 2:38 am | #

      Nope. Some people are shooting through to leave Joyce and Jacob by themselves together — Sarah at least and maybe Dorothy also.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      June 25, 2018 at 3:02 am | #

      I’m pretty sure Sarah’s leaving because she still likes Jacob, knows it won’t work out, and is sad about that.

    • Zaxares
      Zaxares
      June 25, 2018 at 5:58 am | #

      Nah, this is just one of those unfortunate side-consequences of when two people in a social group break up. It tends to cause splits between the group as a whole depending on how acrimonious the break-up was. In my experience, people have a tendency to support one partner or the other, and friends start hanging out with one or the other accordingly.

      In this case, Billie is following Walky because she’s his friend (and also potentially for the opportunity for more boozin’). Sarah is leaving because she either still feels guilty over trying to use Joyce to split Jacob and Raidah up, or possibly because she recognizes that Joyce and Jacob ARE growing closer, and because she still likes Jacob, it’s too painful for her to hang around, but she’s rationalizing it under the pretenses that she should “give Joyce and Jacob some alone time together”.

      • CJ
        CJ
        June 25, 2018 at 6:28 am | #

        When hanging out with both sides of a breakup, you need some finely honed skills to deals with cognitive dissonance (aka there are several universes between how the sides experience the breakup, it’s reasons and timing) and a good pokerface.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          June 25, 2018 at 9:50 pm | #

          Only if the breakup’s really bad.

  33. abysswatcher1993
    abysswatcher1993
    June 25, 2018 at 3:22 am | #

    Joyce may be a selfish jerk, but she is right in this page. DOROTHY, YOU BETTER STAY FOR LUNCH AND EAT SOMETHING! HUMANS NEED FOOD, YOU IVY LEAGUE WANNABE!!!! That is all for tonight, folks.

  34. Mr.Morningstar
    Mr.Morningstar
    June 25, 2018 at 3:26 am | #

    She dumped most of her stat points into intelligence, so her charisma level is quite low.

    • Reltzik
      Reltzik
      June 25, 2018 at 7:06 am | #

      The main problem I have with believing that she dumped charisma is that Walky is not charisma.

      • JBento
        JBento
        June 25, 2018 at 1:10 pm | #

        No, he’s caramel.

  35. Daisy
    Daisy
    June 25, 2018 at 6:53 am | #

    Please say Jacob and Dorothy have an important chat about work-life balance and moderation. Girl needs someone to point it out and Jacob seems like a good candidate, especially as he’s in prelaw and that’s one of the most intensive courses out there.

    And then Joyce will love him even more because he took care of her wife.

    Or Jacob will get into Dorothy and everything will go to sh~t.

  36. JBento
    JBento
    June 25, 2018 at 6:54 am | #

    “Charisma” is the weirdest spelling for “backbone” I’ve ever seen.

    • BenRG
      BenRG
      June 25, 2018 at 6:57 am | #

      I’m thinking that Billie is an RPG geek. In most RPG systems, ‘Charisma’ is a general category for the class of management/human interaction skills.

      Once again, we are reminded that Billie is far more of a nerd than she’ll ever admit to!

      • happyblinker
        happyblinker
        June 25, 2018 at 7:51 am | #

        But it’s Sarah that says that, not Billie.

      • JBento
        JBento
        June 25, 2018 at 8:40 am | #

        Sarah’s the one that says charisma, though? Isn’t she?

        *double checks*

        Yeah, she is.

  37. Booker
    Booker
    June 25, 2018 at 7:47 am | #

    Forget snapping Jason’s suspenders Walky. Jacob has far superior ones.

  38. BenRG
    BenRG
    June 25, 2018 at 8:00 am | #

    FWIW, I’m still expecting Dorothy to shout at Joyce and rush off. Then we get the important and self-aware talk with Jacob in which Joyce learns that having someone detached from the circle is sometimes a guarantor of a painfully accurate summation of your mistakes.

    • abysswatcher1993
      abysswatcher1993
      June 25, 2018 at 12:34 pm | #

      Knowing Willis’ narration style, this either happens or we have to wait months for that epiphany, just like all the time it took for her to break with Ethan.

  39. SpaceshipPilot
    SpaceshipPilot
    June 25, 2018 at 2:19 pm | #

    I wonder what’s happening with Amber and Sal right now… I hope AG didn’t take over and attack her or something.

    • CJ
      CJ
      June 25, 2018 at 3:07 pm | #

      AG has cooperated with Sal re macstabby, Amber attacking Sal would be far more likely.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        June 25, 2018 at 3:24 pm | #

        Even Amber’s interacted with her without incident. Admittedly from the safety of a privacy chair fort.

        • BBCC
          BBCC
          June 25, 2018 at 4:37 pm | #

          Honestly, I think Amber would be more likely to run than to attack Sal.

          • C.T Phipps
            C.T Phipps
            June 25, 2018 at 8:25 pm | #

            Amber is the violent scary one.

            • BBCC
              BBCC
              June 25, 2018 at 9:50 pm | #

              Yet AG is the one who stalked Sal twice.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                June 25, 2018 at 9:56 pm | #

                And Amber has never done more than run from her and as I said, interacted with her peaceably the last time they met.

  40. @zombieundergrnd
    @zombieundergrnd
    June 25, 2018 at 6:32 pm | #

    And Joyce’s BDSM characteristics begin to emerge. Wait until Amber finds out.

  41. Waffliesinyoface
    Waffliesinyoface
    June 26, 2018 at 12:09 am | #

    Dorothy’s got enough charisma to be a paladin. Shame she’s not religious, she could get some sweet lightning magic out of that kinda deal.

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