Well Joyce could’ve been referring to it being a decision of both of Becky’s parents deciding not to give her a phone. Or it could be she didn’t wish to divulge that Becky was a single parent child. I have a couple of friends in a similar position and they typically rather not have to answer why one of their parents isn’t in the picture for their own reasons.
It’s also likely that Joyce’s own experience of having two parents just shapes what she says. I find that I’ve made that exact same mistake, saying “parents’ because I was raised with 2 parents and it was the norm for basically everyone I knew growing up. It’s a hard habit to break.
It’s also likely habit from Becky having two parents most of her life. All those decisions were likely mutual (or as mutual as anything in that house was.)
Was it ever established exactly when Bonnie died? My impression was that it was pretty recent.
It could easily just be an artifact of the way Joyce thinks. ‘Parents’ are a singular unassailable entity responsible for decision-making regarding their children’s freedoms. Recall the shock when Joyce saw Hank lie to Carol. So especially if she doesn’t like to think about Becky’s mom’s death (because who would?), I can definitely see her just saying ‘Becky’s parents’ without even clicking that she’s saying anything inaccurate.
The text of the KJV was pretty much normal for the time: a little bit old-fashioned and formal, but basically normal. English has just changed a bit in the four hundred years since it was written.
Technically it’s the “kid boiled in its mother’s milk” which opens up a whole range of interesting debates about the intent of the passages… and believe me, this is such a common thing to discuss at temple, lol…
Version I’ve heard a lot lately is that this is a case of “all these specific dishes are favorite foods of those Other People, who we hate, and so all of their stuff is unclean, don’t you dare be like them.”
Which is a bit different from my personal previous take, which was a food safety manual from before a working knowledge of germ theory: “We live in a desert without refrigeration, so all of this stuff will probably be spoiled before it even hits your table, don’t eat it unless you want to be sick unto death.”
A lot of the less well-known rules don’t make any sense as food safety precautions (e.g. the ban on eating blood), and a lot of obvious food safety precautions aren’t imposed (e.g. cook meat well-done). What’s more, the rules for decontaminating things that have touched unclean things (e.g. brush with hissop, leave until sunset) are hygienic nonsense.
Not quite. The ruling was made that for cheese to be Kosher it needed to be made under Rabbinic supervision, to ensure the rennet enzyme added to make the cheese was kosher (not obtained from calves improperly slaughtered, for example). This ruling has made things…complicated…for those who follow the letter rather than just the spirit. Like, artificial enzymes derived from bacteria. Kosher? Did a Rabbi observe the cheese being made? Then no.
As with anything related to modern Judaism and interpretations, there is much discussion and disagreement.
Come on Joyce, just hold Becky’s hand on the ride and you’ll be fine. And in the mean time you’ll continue to fuel the strange feelings that young Becky is having, presumably. Did Becky ever actually say when she started to realize she was gay?
Yes, I’m the protagonist of something and I would like to request a new writer. The one writing a harem hentai was nice, could I have that one back, please?
Harem hentai protagonists are jerks. No sane woman would agree to an arrangement where only a single man gets all the sexual and romantic attention. Unless it’s a polyamory relationship, things aren’t going to work.
Depends on how strong the social indoctrination is. It’s why multiple wives was such a consistent thing in many countries, including ancient China. Of course, the actual catalyst for such social practices often derived not just from patriarchal self-indulgence, but also because men were killed off reliably in wars, causing a rather imbalanced population by sex, making having multiple female partners per male partner suitable in many aspects.
That said, most social circumstances related to such practices were extraordinarly toxic and inhumane [ie, treating women as property] and it’s extraordinarly rare to find a harem manga that isn’t as pathetically self-indulgent at the expense of dignity, completely non-self-aware, and written with all the skill one’d expect of a middle schooler.
So yeah- harems can be justified, especially for works set in historical settings appropriate theme. Anything that deserves the label of “a harem manga”, however, is most likely objectively garbage.
Boy oh boy, I sure cant wait for the strip following these memories where Becky’s happiness is ruined by toedad again. Hopefully Willis just has Blaine and Toedad shoot each other at the same time so we never have to see them after this.
Hmm, interesting observation. Becky was saying “Hey Joyce you’re being negative now I need you positive”. Maybe this is Joyce’s flashback and she’s feeling like she could use her own Joyce picker upper.
Hi Willis,
I love the comic! The advertisements always cover the first panel though. Even when I close them, there’s a big rectangle blocking the first panel.
Joyce has always been scared of that, hasn’t she? That’s she’s ‘weird’ or ‘abnormal’? I suspect that she’s had it put in her head that not being perfect is somehow a personal failing rather than a neurochemical accident beyond her ability to control.
Well, she’s good at it with total strangers. Anyone who knows anything about Joyce and/or body language would interpret her expression in panel 5 there to mean: “I’m a filthy liar and I’m going to hell”.
So back at the party, Becky wanted something but a voice in her head told her no. But she managed to ignore the voice.
Joyce, who hates being upside down, is all kinds of upside down and dazed and confused. She’s losing her certainty and little has prepared her for the chaos that life throws at you.
Now I’m thinking of the rides which don’t go upside-down but Joyce may regret taking anyway. The Rotor, the Pirate Ship, and the jet-things which rotate and give you enough G’s to get sideways come to mind.
Proud of ya, Joyce, for getting over your fear. Just wish it didn’t take “I will do ANYTHING to make you happy, Becky” feelings to invoke the courage. No wonder Becky got confused.
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“what if we go on one that just goes sideways-side”
I’d much rather deal with constant upside down then always sideways ones. Personal experience has taught me as such
If the ride goes Upside Down you have to worry about Demigorgons and Mindflayers.
Also true. As a fighter class most of the time mind and int saves typically don’t fare well for me
Take Iron Will, then. It helps.
Yeah but I play a Goliath. Ya can only do so much to augment those penalties. Now a warforge on the other hand…
Upside down, right side up, whatever. Have a (Mind) Blast.
Left leg in. Left leg out. In. Out. In. Out. Shake it all about.
Don’t feel too special, Joyce. It’s an ensemble cast.
I feel u Joyce
turns out Becky needed Joyce just as badly growing up http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-5/01-when-somebody-loved-me/sarcasm/
Rereading that strip, the weird thing is how Joyce said that Becky’s parents don’t let her own a cellphone.
Parents, plural. Owns, present tense.
I mean, it could just be a retcon, like how Leslie aged downwards over the course of the strip.
Could be that Joyce told a white lie there to not out Becky? Iunno, it is odd
Well Joyce could’ve been referring to it being a decision of both of Becky’s parents deciding not to give her a phone. Or it could be she didn’t wish to divulge that Becky was a single parent child. I have a couple of friends in a similar position and they typically rather not have to answer why one of their parents isn’t in the picture for their own reasons.
Also here: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/01-move-in-day/socialized/
“Parents” (plural) and “are making” (present participle).
It could be that her mother helped make that decision before dying.
More than likely just went along with it…
Yeah. I suppose “Becky’s parents command…” always meant “Becky’s dad commands…” long before her mother suicided.
There’s a patreon strip that confirms her mother wanted her to go to Anderson (September 2016)
It’s also likely that Joyce’s own experience of having two parents just shapes what she says. I find that I’ve made that exact same mistake, saying “parents’ because I was raised with 2 parents and it was the norm for basically everyone I knew growing up. It’s a hard habit to break.
It’s also likely habit from Becky having two parents most of her life. All those decisions were likely mutual (or as mutual as anything in that house was.)
Was it ever established exactly when Bonnie died? My impression was that it was pretty recent.
She passed last year, during their Senior year.
It could easily just be an artifact of the way Joyce thinks. ‘Parents’ are a singular unassailable entity responsible for decision-making regarding their children’s freedoms. Recall the shock when Joyce saw Hank lie to Carol. So especially if she doesn’t like to think about Becky’s mom’s death (because who would?), I can definitely see her just saying ‘Becky’s parents’ without even clicking that she’s saying anything inaccurate.
‘Parents’ is an institution, an abstract thing, not a specific person
*plays The Pretenders’ “Brass In Pocket” on the P.A. speakers*
“I’m upside down, my head is turning around” – Allan Sherman
I suppose “Dead Or Alive – You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)” would be too obvious a choice for the next tune?
Well, let’s ask Miss Ross what she thinks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ehMxQdCtQ
“let’s do a thing I hate to make you feel better” has been one of Joyce’s go-to strategies all along, hasn’t it http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-10/01-birthday-pursuit/grownup/
Then again, she hates kind of a lot of things.
Meat seethed in milk, shellfish, creeping things that creep upon the earth….
Why do people have to phrase things in the most bizarre ways possible?
I blame King James for weird Bible references. But people spoke weird then.
The text of the KJV was pretty much normal for the time: a little bit old-fashioned and formal, but basically normal. English has just changed a bit in the four hundred years since it was written.
Technically it’s the “kid boiled in its mother’s milk” which opens up a whole range of interesting debates about the intent of the passages… and believe me, this is such a common thing to discuss at temple, lol…
Version I’ve heard a lot lately is that this is a case of “all these specific dishes are favorite foods of those Other People, who we hate, and so all of their stuff is unclean, don’t you dare be like them.”
Which is a bit different from my personal previous take, which was a food safety manual from before a working knowledge of germ theory: “We live in a desert without refrigeration, so all of this stuff will probably be spoiled before it even hits your table, don’t eat it unless you want to be sick unto death.”
A lot of the less well-known rules don’t make any sense as food safety precautions (e.g. the ban on eating blood), and a lot of obvious food safety precautions aren’t imposed (e.g. cook meat well-done). What’s more, the rules for decontaminating things that have touched unclean things (e.g. brush with hissop, leave until sunset) are hygienic nonsense.
Exodus 23:19 and Deuteronomy 14:21. My King James Version has “Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.”
I think it’s on the basis of those verses that icecream and cheese made with rennet are not kosher.
Not quite. The ruling was made that for cheese to be Kosher it needed to be made under Rabbinic supervision, to ensure the rennet enzyme added to make the cheese was kosher (not obtained from calves improperly slaughtered, for example). This ruling has made things…complicated…for those who follow the letter rather than just the spirit. Like, artificial enzymes derived from bacteria. Kosher? Did a Rabbi observe the cheese being made? Then no.
As with anything related to modern Judaism and interpretations, there is much discussion and disagreement.
Though that was more of a “Let’s do a thing I hate to make myself look more normal and grown up” than to make Jacob feel better.
Agreed. I consider this comic more of a better example of “Let’s do a thing I hate to make Becky feel better”.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/02-threes-a-crowd/sushi/
Come on Joyce, just hold Becky’s hand on the ride and you’ll be fine. And in the mean time you’ll continue to fuel the strange feelings that young Becky is having, presumably. Did Becky ever actually say when she started to realize she was gay?
Forever, probably. It just took being away from Joyce at college to figure it out.
I don’t think so. She realized she wanted to kiss Joyce after being apart for a few weeks, but she never said when she came out to herself.
I love that self aware alt text
Yes, I’m the protagonist of something and I would like to request a new writer. The one writing a harem hentai was nice, could I have that one back, please?
Look, you don’t want to go down this road.
At some point the hacks writing the storylines here got into some sort of self-parodic political farce, and it’s been getting weirder by the day.
Quite the context-appropriate avatar.
Harem hentai protagonists are jerks. No sane woman would agree to an arrangement where only a single man gets all the sexual and romantic attention. Unless it’s a polyamory relationship, things aren’t going to work.
Depends on how strong the social indoctrination is. It’s why multiple wives was such a consistent thing in many countries, including ancient China. Of course, the actual catalyst for such social practices often derived not just from patriarchal self-indulgence, but also because men were killed off reliably in wars, causing a rather imbalanced population by sex, making having multiple female partners per male partner suitable in many aspects.
That said, most social circumstances related to such practices were extraordinarly toxic and inhumane [ie, treating women as property] and it’s extraordinarly rare to find a harem manga that isn’t as pathetically self-indulgent at the expense of dignity, completely non-self-aware, and written with all the skill one’d expect of a middle schooler.
So yeah- harems can be justified, especially for works set in historical settings appropriate theme. Anything that deserves the label of “a harem manga”, however, is most likely objectively garbage.
*settings appropriate to the theme
Counter point, from Welcome to Night Vale:
Death is only the end if you assume the story is about you.
Also, the message is mostly for the one communicating it, not for the receiver; and there’s a Mara Wilson secretly living in your house.
Their friendship is very sweet.
Boy oh boy, I sure cant wait for the strip following these memories where Becky’s happiness is ruined by toedad again. Hopefully Willis just has Blaine and Toedad shoot each other at the same time so we never have to see them after this.
Before that happens, though, I’m sure we’ll get at least one strip where Becky and Dina wakes up cuddled together.
Yes, Joyce.
You’re very “special”.
Just like alll the other people around you…
You Can Be Special Too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5-lEzkYC3g
No, thanks. I’m fine as I am, douche.
No need for that terrible video.
Your unique, that doesn’t make you special.
*You’re.
The problem is, we are mostly seeing this flashback where they’re very close because they’re drifting apart
Which one is gonna get an extended Queen reference about it, though?
Hmm, interesting observation. Becky was saying “Hey Joyce you’re being negative now I need you positive”. Maybe this is Joyce’s flashback and she’s feeling like she could use her own Joyce picker upper.
D’awwww. Joyce trying to comfort Becky is a thing of beauty. Of course Becky sees right through it, but she still apreciates it.
Precious kids.
Becky’s last panel eye change is disturbing.
Hi Willis,
I love the comic! The advertisements always cover the first panel though. Even when I close them, there’s a big rectangle blocking the first panel.
Hiveworks will take care of them if you report it.
So Becky’s mom just kinda peaced out after photos?
Handsome Joyce: “Everyone thinks they are the protagonist of their own story, including you, Becky the Company Woman.”
Becky: “Get out of my head!”
TftBL?
Yes.
DoA Book 10: I Am Extremely Special
They’re the tiniest cutest little baaaaaaabies
Joyce has always been scared of that, hasn’t she? That’s she’s ‘weird’ or ‘abnormal’? I suspect that she’s had it put in her head that not being perfect is somehow a personal failing rather than a neurochemical accident beyond her ability to control.
Oh, and I think that Becky is right: Joyce will never be an entirely comfortable liar.
Unfortunately for Becky, Joyce never did pull off lyin’
*daintily plays James Taylor’s Everyday on the hacked park PA*
So we all thought…
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-9-comic/01-flyin-to-the-red/tattler/
Turns out, she’s really good at it, given the right motivation
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-10/01-birthday-pursuit/harrison/
Well, she’s good at it with total strangers. Anyone who knows anything about Joyce and/or body language would interpret her expression in panel 5 there to mean: “I’m a filthy liar and I’m going to hell”.
Guess the phrase, “The more you know someone, the less you expect from them” holds true, even to Joyce.
Well… until I had to dig deeper to La Porte
Misdirection, not lies. The difference is academic but it is there.
So back at the party, Becky wanted something but a voice in her head told her no. But she managed to ignore the voice.
Joyce, who hates being upside down, is all kinds of upside down and dazed and confused. She’s losing her certainty and little has prepared her for the chaos that life throws at you.
Exceptionalism is one hell of a drug.
Now I’m thinking of the rides which don’t go upside-down but Joyce may regret taking anyway. The Rotor, the Pirate Ship, and the jet-things which rotate and give you enough G’s to get sideways come to mind.
Proud of ya, Joyce, for getting over your fear. Just wish it didn’t take “I will do ANYTHING to make you happy, Becky” feelings to invoke the courage. No wonder Becky got confused.
I just remembered Joyce sleeps with a doll (that isn’t Elsa), and I can’t help but wonder/hope that maybe it’s from Becky