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Maybe I might have changed
And not been so cruel
Not been such a fool
Whatever was done is done
I just can’t recall
It doesn’t matter at all–Emerson, Lake & Palmer “From The Beginning”
I kind of hope that this will lead Joe to confront his Joe Dad and get out their issues. He’s carrying so much from that relationship unsaid and I’d like to know how Joe Dad’s remarriage is affecting them both.
Either confront the issue, Joe, or just give up and keep it shallow.
Nah, that’d just get Joyce growling at Amber or going ick or something and then walking off. Truly releasing the god of chaos would require letting Joyce know that Joe has FEELINGS for her.
Exactly. Joyce would go “Ick! Why would you even say that?” and Amber would have to explain Joe’s feelings. Then…glorious chaos ensues, beginning with Joyce’s view of the universe shattering once more!
I assume she’s thinking about cuddling Joe. Not to imply Joyce is incapable of thinking about Sex but I’d imagine she might be hesitant due to Joe’s Lady Killer reputation.
I think you underestimate Joyce’s capacity for self-delusion.
That is to say, she’s absolutely thinking about boning Joe, but she genuinely has no idea such a notion has even crossed her mind, and would be reflexively appalled if anyone were to suggest it to her.
Now if you were to instead subtly prompt the whiteboard ding-dong bandit to resurface and attach their specialty to renditions of Joe without clothes on, that might help get the idea through to her
You can tell how close Joe and Amber have grown as siblings because there was a time when Joe would ALSO struggle to not blurt out “You should have sex with Joe”.
it is a kindness to let people care about you.
One of my friends moved his and his partner’s whole deal between temporary accommodations last week, (work related) and I just learned that he did it all on public transport- despite knowing that I was free and had a car, because we had plans together that were cancelled for moving.
I’m really fucking bummed that he did 4 fucking round-trip bus trips with suitcases by himself instead of just like. ‘hey help me move?’
I’m pretty sure Amber would not shy away from at least fantasizing about committing incest if she had a sibling she found attractive, but Joe’s really not Amber’s type. She’s into pretty boys more than big, burly dudes.
The “Booster effect” is really impressive. Amber is so happy that she wants to help her brother by giving him credit for the help Joe has given her. Joyce was feeling down for treating Dorothy badly and seems that discovering this side of Joe makes her happy. Amber and Booster have to keep seeing each other! It’s good for both of them.
Amber wants to bring Joe’s positive qualities under Joyce’s attention, but all Joyce is gonna hear is how Joe spent time with Amber while avoiding Joyce.
Amber’s last sentence should make her position clear to Joyce, though. Also, I think the sibling thing carries more weight with Joyce than with the average shipper.
Joyce has also pushed Joe in the past to be a good brother to Amber (I have no idea what strip it was, but she definitely admonished him for not tending to her needs more). I suspect it’s more likely that Joyce will put 2 and 2 together and wonder why Joe listened to her in the first place, ever orbiting around the conclusion that he has feelings of affection towards her
If Joyce + Joe I will be amazed at having been right for once. Ever since he was sending her supportive texts while she was at home, or when she was educating him on humanity and his list.
Joyce’s response in panel 2 is just so sad. I feel that way sometimes too. I’m glad Amber recognized that self-doubt and corrected course promptly.
At this point though, I am really NOT hoping for Joe and Joyce to hook up. Not until Joe has undergone a COMPLETE battery of STD tests, but then there’s still the latent STDs to watch out for (herpes, HPV) and that’s not even counting the newer bugs that have been coming out in the past few years.
And given Joe’s description of his encounter with Roz, it doesn’t sound like he used a condom with her. So we already know he’s not at 100% use (not that condoms protect 100% either).
Given her parents, Joyce probably wasn’t vaccinated yet for HPV. It’s not too late, Joyce! Go get that taken care of!
…Actually, speaking of lasting protection (like vaccines) I’m very surprised that Joyce didn’t tell the (receptive and sympathetic) Dr. Kaur that she has trouble with pills and ask for an extended-release arm implant or skin patch instead. I’m also surprised Dr. Kaur didn’t offer. Joyce at least has the excuse of ignorance and embarrassment. Dr. Kaur should have presented all options up front.
Well, Joyce was kinda in a “get-in, get-out” mind-set, so I totally understand her not telling Dr. Kaur anything.
Dorothy on the other hand could have done so, but her doing Joyce’s emotional labour is already a current dramatic tension so maybe we don’t need to add on that
In the only picture of Joe and Roz that I’ve seen, he had a condom on. And knowing Roz, he almost definitely had one on during their filmed encounter. She’s not careless enough to go raw with a guy like Joe.
Probably he meant, “She said she was on the pill [and we used a condom]”. I haven’t seen the picture you’re referring to, Taffy. Thanks for sharing the insight!
I think Joe and Joyce should have a peaceful night together and just normalize interacting like friends.
Joyce is hostile towards Joe for more than one reason, but I think one of those reasons is that she is not comfortable in her own skin or her sexuality.
Just rub your hand on his abs.
No strings. Nothing needs to happen.
If she gets aroused to the point of sexual consent, then Joe’s pants come off. He is just jutting out in the open. A mighty prong in a private room. Joyce looks up at it.
No. Don’t do anything. Just absorb the moment.
Let yourself become absorbed in the experience.
If you like what is happening, let the feeling build.
If it builds to a certain point, Joyce will not be able to stop herself, and Evil Joyce is released like Ms. Hyde.
Feels a little uncharitable to dismiss that as a “well actually”. There are connotations to that phrase that don’t really taste right for what The Wellerman posted.
Read the alt-text at first as Joyce should sex Joe because it would be funny, not that blurting it out would be funny. I’m not sure which is intended, but the first one is extremely funny to me.
I do kind of wish that this moment wasn’t slightly filtered through “Amber is weird and crappy and ships real people”, and was just 100% her genuinely trying to be nice and appreciative of her brother, but it’s still a sweet moment.
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Amber: “You should go fuck…yourself.”
Joyce: “Excuse me?!”
Amber: (Nailed it.)
This made me laugh, thanks
One date with Rosie Palms, cumming right up! xD
Absolutely perfect top comment for this one!
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Yes… HA HA… YES!
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Shang Tsung: Flawless Victory!
Just wanted to say bravo and echo the previous sentiment of best top comment.
Better than my “You should go… HUG him.”
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Does everyone besides Joyce know that Joe thinks Joyce is too pure to bone him, or only Joe’s friends?
words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm
Well, that’s a Mode.
Me whenever I smoke pot
Feeling Peachy Ana?
All I ever wanted…
All I ever needed…
Is here, in my AU?
Dumbing of Age Book 13: I Might Be Bad at People
2nd edition: Don’t Blurt Out That You Should Go Fuck Him
That’s the title of the slipshine
*Emperor Palpatine Voice* DO ET
LET THE HORNINESS FLOW THROUGH YOUUUUU
I read this first as “Do E.T.” and was very confused.
I do love Amber and Joe as sibling types.
Maybe I might have changed
And not been so cruel
Not been such a fool
Whatever was done is done
I just can’t recall
It doesn’t matter at all–Emerson, Lake & Palmer “From The Beginning”
such an amazing song.
You can do it, Amber, I believe in you!
ITYM, You can *not* do it, Amber.
I kind of hope that this will lead Joe to confront his Joe Dad and get out their issues. He’s carrying so much from that relationship unsaid and I’d like to know how Joe Dad’s remarriage is affecting them both.
Either confront the issue, Joe, or just give up and keep it shallow.
What exactly has not been said between Joe and his dad?
I thought he has always been pretty up front… Telling him he can’t be trusted to be faithful.
I think Joe is trying very hard to give up and keep it shallow. He’s failing.
Do it. Blurt it out. Release the god of chaos from her chains and revel in the fan fiction fodder sure to follow.
Nah, that’d just get Joyce growling at Amber or going ick or something and then walking off. Truly releasing the god of chaos would require letting Joyce know that Joe has FEELINGS for her.
Exactly. Joyce would go “Ick! Why would you even say that?” and Amber would have to explain Joe’s feelings. Then…glorious chaos ensues, beginning with Joyce’s view of the universe shattering once more!
Amber’s shipping desires hang like Damocles’ sword.
But is Joe hung like Damocles’ sword?
Ask Penny.
A nickel for her thoughts? Wait, nickels are Mike’s thing.
Well, as the alt text pointed out, blurring it out would be funny,so we can be pretty sure it’s what Mike would have wanted.
I’d put as the alt text is from Mike in spirit. Likely on a varying value between metaphorically and literally between individuals reading it.
Or Roz. Or Malaya.
Yeah Amber, you should say it. I’m bored.
Amber isn’t thinking about you being bored, she’s thinking about Joyce being drilled.
To be fair she’s also considering her being Nailed.
Screwed. Railed. Boned.
Tattooed, even.
Is that what the kids are calling it now?
Alt text ain’t wrong
admirable restrain here, I think.
even if she blurts it out in the next comic she gets points for trying
I’m guessing by the time Joyce decides she’s ready to f–k Joe, Joe will not want to f–k her.
He already doesn’t.
…. and he does. And he doesn’t.
He’s Shroedinger’s Horndog.
Joeyce Shipper right there
YOU SHOULD GO FUCK HIM.
This is the first issue in a while that’s made me audibly laugh. Many get a sensible satisfied huff from the nose but few get audible laughter.
New sister and wingwoman, lucky Joe!
Please…we’re really supposed to believe Joyce isn’t thinking about fucking Joe already?
I assume she’s thinking about cuddling Joe. Not to imply Joyce is incapable of thinking about Sex but I’d imagine she might be hesitant due to Joe’s Lady Killer reputation.
They do have extremely high cuddle chemistry. Just cuddle tf out of each other already!!
I think you underestimate Joyce’s capacity for self-delusion.
That is to say, she’s absolutely thinking about boning Joe, but she genuinely has no idea such a notion has even crossed her mind, and would be reflexively appalled if anyone were to suggest it to her.
That precisely.
Now if you were to instead subtly prompt the whiteboard ding-dong bandit to resurface and attach their specialty to renditions of Joe without clothes on, that might help get the idea through to her
You can tell how close Joe and Amber have grown as siblings because there was a time when Joe would ALSO struggle to not blurt out “You should have sex with Joe”.
Lots of us are struggling to not blurt out “Joyce, you should have sex with Joe”.
Not me. I said it without struggling whatsoever.
You said it or you drew it?
kissing Amber with tongue for her work in helping the joejoyce ship along. my deepest thanks <3
Your post is labeled as Moderated, but I can still see it (I guess due to my advanced/young age (64 YO/21 years since I was killed)
I think that just means Willis manually approved it, so now it’s immune from
criticismflagging.It could have been flagged into the moderation queue, or it could be a first post, or a typo in their email so the system thinks it’s a first post.
whatever put it into the queue, it’s Willis approved and that’s all that really matters, isn’t it? hehehe
you are so right
it is a kindness to let people care about you.
One of my friends moved his and his partner’s whole deal between temporary accommodations last week, (work related) and I just learned that he did it all on public transport- despite knowing that I was free and had a car, because we had plans together that were cancelled for moving.
I’m really fucking bummed that he did 4 fucking round-trip bus trips with suitcases by himself instead of just like. ‘hey help me move?’
So true. I hope your friend learns to lean on you a little more in the future.
Yoto has been summoned
Joyce
Amber
And sexual tension.
nice restraint, amber
Amber: Oooh, restraints! *adds that to the fanfic*
Well, Joe does deserve a little reward for his kind efforts.
I agree with the hover text, that’d be hilarious.
So the next Slipshine’ll be “Finally II: You Should Go Fuck Him”.
Amber speaks for us all!
[Battlestar Galactica]Thus say we all[/Battlestar Galactica]
And my axe?
Love it when Amber smiles.
“No you idiot! You know how your dumb mouth works!”
i misread what amber meant and thought she was reminding herself not to make an incest joke
after reading the comments the comic makes more sense
sorry amber
I’m pretty sure Amber would not shy away from at least fantasizing about committing incest if she had a sibling she found attractive, but Joe’s really not Amber’s type. She’s into pretty boys more than big, burly dudes.
As previously discussed, Amber’s (physical) type looks much more like… Booster.
Damnit.
She did think Ethan’s hot, and he was big and…not unburly.
Yeah, but she seems to think that “Emaciated Emo Ethan” is more hot.
I read it that way too, and I’m not convinced it isn’t the right interpretation.
ilu amber
Good Amber! Good! You can do this! You can nudge them both into the closer direction without being too meddlesome! I believe in you!
I agree with Amber, but somehow I don’t think her telling Joyce that would work.
How many people in-universe does that now make who are shipping joyceph?
See, it’s little rules like that that make Amber better at social interactions than she give herself credit for.
Love all these unambiguously positive interactions.
This is the sweetest strip we’ve had in I don’t know how long. Maybe something with Danny and Sal being adorable.
Wow, Amber is crushing it socially today…by her standards.
The “Booster effect” is really impressive. Amber is so happy that she wants to help her brother by giving him credit for the help Joe has given her. Joyce was feeling down for treating Dorothy badly and seems that discovering this side of Joe makes her happy. Amber and Booster have to keep seeing each other! It’s good for both of them.
Blurt out that she should go fuck him!
Do it!
Wincent!
Wait, is she talking about Joyce or herself in the 3rd person?
Joe, apparently.
Amber is telling herself not to blurt out that Joyce should go have carnal relation Joe
Here we see Amber, like Atlas, being forced to carry the weight of an entire Greek chorus’ opinion on her internet hermit shoulders by a cruel Willis.
Sometimes, the trash fire that is Amber’s whole deal only burns low.
Amber wants to bring Joe’s positive qualities under Joyce’s attention, but all Joyce is gonna hear is how Joe spent time with Amber while avoiding Joyce.
Amber’s last sentence should make her position clear to Joyce, though. Also, I think the sibling thing carries more weight with Joyce than with the average shipper.
Joyce has also pushed Joe in the past to be a good brother to Amber (I have no idea what strip it was, but she definitely admonished him for not tending to her needs more). I suspect it’s more likely that Joyce will put 2 and 2 together and wonder why Joe listened to her in the first place, ever orbiting around the conclusion that he has feelings of affection towards her
Maybe not fuck him immediately but I agree that that should be an eventuality.
If Joyce + Joe I will be amazed at having been right for once. Ever since he was sending her supportive texts while she was at home, or when she was educating him on humanity and his list.
This in the D&D world is what we like to call a Wisdom Save.
No no no, please by all means blurt that out. Awkward Joyce is entertaining Joyce.
Yes. Amber is strong enough to save that for her fanfic writing. So much writing.
And I just realized that Joyce is on Chekhov’s birth control. We’ll have to wait but it will end up being used as birth control.
Almost certainly.
Joyce’s response in panel 2 is just so sad. I feel that way sometimes too. I’m glad Amber recognized that self-doubt and corrected course promptly.
At this point though, I am really NOT hoping for Joe and Joyce to hook up. Not until Joe has undergone a COMPLETE battery of STD tests, but then there’s still the latent STDs to watch out for (herpes, HPV) and that’s not even counting the newer bugs that have been coming out in the past few years.
And given Joe’s description of his encounter with Roz, it doesn’t sound like he used a condom with her. So we already know he’s not at 100% use (not that condoms protect 100% either).
Given her parents, Joyce probably wasn’t vaccinated yet for HPV. It’s not too late, Joyce! Go get that taken care of!
…Actually, speaking of lasting protection (like vaccines) I’m very surprised that Joyce didn’t tell the (receptive and sympathetic) Dr. Kaur that she has trouble with pills and ask for an extended-release arm implant or skin patch instead. I’m also surprised Dr. Kaur didn’t offer. Joyce at least has the excuse of ignorance and embarrassment. Dr. Kaur should have presented all options up front.
Well, Joyce was kinda in a “get-in, get-out” mind-set, so I totally understand her not telling Dr. Kaur anything.
Dorothy on the other hand could have done so, but her doing Joyce’s emotional labour is already a current dramatic tension so maybe we don’t need to add on that
Not to “slut-shame” anyone, of course! I’m not anti-sex, just pro-vaxx.
I really like this comment. It felt sad to me too, the second panel, so I’m glad someone else said it.
In the only picture of Joe and Roz that I’ve seen, he had a condom on. And knowing Roz, he almost definitely had one on during their filmed encounter. She’s not careless enough to go raw with a guy like Joe.
Roz undoubtedly insists on using protection.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/late/
Thank you for the clarification, Taffy and Needfuldoer!
I was going based on this comment:
“She said she was on the pill!”
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/planned/
Probably he meant, “She said she was on the pill [and we used a condom]”. I haven’t seen the picture you’re referring to, Taffy. Thanks for sharing the insight!
I think Joe and Joyce should have a peaceful night together and just normalize interacting like friends.
Joyce is hostile towards Joe for more than one reason, but I think one of those reasons is that she is not comfortable in her own skin or her sexuality.
Just rub your hand on his abs.
No strings. Nothing needs to happen.
If she gets aroused to the point of sexual consent, then Joe’s pants come off. He is just jutting out in the open. A mighty prong in a private room. Joyce looks up at it.
No. Don’t do anything. Just absorb the moment.
Let yourself become absorbed in the experience.
If you like what is happening, let the feeling build.
If it builds to a certain point, Joyce will not be able to stop herself, and Evil Joyce is released like Ms. Hyde.
The bed will break.
THUMPASPRUNG
Amber playing Cupid is a new and entertaining development.
New in-comic or new IRL?
’cause she tried to do the same with Danny and Ethan some time back —
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-12/02-ill-leave-you-a-phantom/implication/
You know, you don’t reeeeally have to “well actually” every single quick offhand casual remark.
Feels a little uncharitable to dismiss that as a “well actually”. There are connotations to that phrase that don’t really taste right for what The Wellerman posted.
I say that from a history of interacting with him not only here, but elsewhere, so trust me, I know what I’m talking about.
Read the alt-text at first as Joyce should sex Joe because it would be funny, not that blurting it out would be funny. I’m not sure which is intended, but the first one is extremely funny to me.
I do kind of wish that this moment wasn’t slightly filtered through “Amber is weird and crappy and ships real people”, and was just 100% her genuinely trying to be nice and appreciative of her brother, but it’s still a sweet moment.
Could use any encouragement folks feel like sharing, if possible. TBI really acting up bad today.
I have 40% TBI. I empathize.
Thank you.