Yeah, I think Joyce should probably learn this stuff somehow and the internet is not the best place. I genuinely think Dorothy is the best person to teach Joyce basic sex ed because as we are keenly aware, Joyce has never learned anything that should even remotely be considered sex education and Joe is someone who is very sexual to put it mildly. If Joe/Joyce is going to happen Joyce needs to not be constantly horny when making decisions.
It says a lot about me that my first instinctive thought wasn’t “You were poorly taught the first time” and instead was that you legimately forgot and had to go to a move reminder like Pokemon.
I had to learn the skill twice. Only because during my transition I’ve learned that male horny and female horny are two wildly different sides to the same coin.
Sexuality can definitely change in transition for a lot of folks I know.
1) You may have different sex hormones, which definitely impact horniness
2) You may have a different understanding of your sense of self, which can impact sexuality a lot.
Pre-transition, masturbation didn’t work for me at all, and that was fine, because I didn’t have to learn it. Post-HRT, well, I had to learn it and figure out how to make it work, because on my new hormone set, there weren’t really other options.
Yes and no. Going from T to E changes a lot about how the parts, the sensations associated with them, and the non-physical purely mental feelings themselves work. There’s overlap, but there’s also a lot of difference.
Staying SFW, and to keep a long story short, to me, testosterone-horny feels like running: you’re conscious about a cause/goal/target and you’re “en route” from the moment it starts to the moment it ends, one way or another. Estrogen/progestogen-horny on the other hand feels more like burning. The feeling is there independently of what you pay attention to, it’s much less focused, and it’s more of an internal feeling like heat seeping through, with much less control over it: it’s much harder to put aside and “forget about it”.
There is a lot of good, genuinely helpful stuff on the internet, though. In between the space of “telling Joyce to Google it” and “this,” there are options like Dorothy sending her links to reliable resources. But that’s not as fun of a comic.
I can recommend the site OhJoySexToy for good info on female masturbation with and without the use of toys. Been going for almost a decade dispensing good advice, not just about sex toys, but all facets of sexual health.
There’s a world of difference to approaching confidantes about the matter and having someone tell you they’re going to take charge of it and inform you of that fact like they’re telling you where you’re getting lunch.
Dorothy is being presumptuous right now, and it smacks of her deflecting from processing her own feelings regarding Walky.
Never heard of sitting on the laundry machine to get off by the vibrations? Fully clothed and all that. Ok. Maybe modern machines have too good vibration control for that to work.
I mean…Sarah seems like the logical alternative to me? She introduced Joyce to the concept of vibrators, after all. Although I guess it would be hard for her to resist the temptation to make fun of Joyce every other sentence. Still seems better than the awkwardness that will obviously come from Dorothy explaining this.
Here’s the first result when I googled “how to masturbate women”. I think the internet is fine for this. Most of us learned by the internet and private exploration, right? Or am I the weird one that didn’t get lessons from my mom on how to masturbate?
No, seriously. Dorothy, no. Granted that it would be better for Joyce to have a healthier relationship with her sexuality, but she literally JUST set a boundary with Dorothy about policing her sex life-or-lack-thereof. Dorothy bulldozing her way in to teach Joyce the joys of self love is NOT a good friend move, because Joyce does not want and is not comfortable with the information right now.
I do get where you’re coming from there, but this is more a case of filling in missing information – I don’t think she’s gonna MAKE Joyce do it, but she wants to make sure that Joyce knows ABOUT it and how to do it SAFELY, so that IF she ever wants to, she won’t risk injuring or infecting herself.
And let’s face it, Joyce doesn’t know much about the birds and the bees anyway, so there’s no way in hell that her parents, teachers, or anyone else back home ever taught any kids anything about safe masturbatory practices.
Like with a lot of other things, this knowledge is more a case of “better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it”.
Dorothy is NOT the right person, though, to give Joyce ANY information about this specifically BECAUSE Dorothy has been bulldozing Joyce’s boundaries in this regard all week and is bulldozing them now.
All THIS is going to do is give Joyce a new, secular trauma about masturbation/sex to go with her existing religious ones.
I mean, on the whole, I’m pretty pro-Dorothy (at least when graded on the curve of “she’s just as fucked up as anyone guys cut her some slack for not being as good or smart as everyone expects her to be”), but even I’m just staring at this coming going “…I’m willing to give you more rope here, girl, but you really need to stop making it look like a noose.”
I mean, Willis does around 1 slipshine a year, give or take a few months, and we’re something like 10 months out from the last one, so you may not be wrong.
Prior to that was the series of single images from mid 2020, I believe. So yeah, a bit longer than average, but I don’t think it quite hit two years (could be wrong though – not taking time to check dates or anything).
Okay, so there’s a comic that I thought was in the Artist Showcase, but I cannot find it, so I’m gonna reach out to the community here in the hopes that someone remembers it. The following description is generally SFW.
It features a young woman who is participating in a large sports meet – possibly the Olympics, but not sure. She is looking forward to a sexy after-party post event. Before the sports event, she meets a taller, muscular woman, upon whom she forms a crush. Later, after the event and before the afterparty, she runs into the tall woman again. The tall woman is nervous to go to the afterparty, but the protagonist provides some encouragement and offers to start first. They go in and both participate in the sexy fun times, but separately – an issue that the protagonist only realizes after the party is over. She approaches her crush again, points out what happened, and asks her out. Romantic end.
Does this sound remotely familiar to anyone? I swear it was on slipshine somewhere…
If the next Slipshine is legitimately “Dorothy teaches Joyce how to do a Sex”, then I will damn well pony up the dough to read it (and all the others – I’ve not actually read any of them yet)!
There’s also the whole, you know, terrible period cramps thing. Masturbation anecdotally can relieve tension in the muscles or whatnot, or maybe just release some good chemicals into your system, but either way can help with the sensations of cramps.
I also don’t want us to discount the shippers, so I do want to point out that after what just happened, Dorothy may be horny too…
On the orgasms reducing cramps thing:
In my experience, if I’m having bad cramps, I can’t reach climax due to the discomfort, so the technique is self-defeating.
HOWEVER, I have noticed that orgasms immediately before period cramps begin can reduce their severity. Ie, good sex the night before cramps begin results in a milder period overall.
So yeah, can confirm the basic technique as well if using a somewhat different execution of it.
Yeah, I should have clarified it a bit better. You really don’t feel like doing much while you are doubled over in pain, but doing it preventatively or while on pain medication that manages to dull it (normally a combination of advil, Tylenol, caffeine and icy hot [depending on the location of the pain, as some parts are not where you put that] for me), it can help. Works much better as a preventative measure but if your time of the month is inconsistent, that can be difficult. I also note that what works for one person might not work for another, as I find tampons help me a little bit while for other people it can make it worse. At that point most people are ready to try anything to get some relief though.
Yes, there’s clinical studies that orgasms in the latter parts of the menstrual cycle are beneficial, causing the last little bit of blood to get shed from the uterine.
Running out? Hardly. Just because they’re focusing first on new character pairings doesn’t mean Willis can’t revisit existing ones. Also, even with just two-on matches, the cast is large enough to support many more original pairings and setups.
Actually, in the fresh overcast gray of day, I believe I too need to ask ‘why’.
Specifically… why the laundry? Everything else, including Dorothy’s sexy outfit and the pre-masturbatory pee makes perfect sense.
The only thing I can think of is that Dorothy is planning to use the dryers as vibrators, like in that old joke pic, and that seems… like a bad idea. Inefficient for one thing – what are they going to do during the wash cycle?
Also… like, won’t other people need to do laundry too?
Dorothy is a multitasker. Lessons will be held in the laundry room. There will first be a Powerpoint presentation, followed by laboratory time to build practical skills. A full lab report will be due on Dorothy’s desk by Sunday night at 11:59pm.
A noisy laundry room may well take the nervous edge off of the lesson by introducing the absurd. If one must yell their questions and answers, it turns talking about sex from a secret nasty thing, into an exercise in working out a problem on a construction site. Also will discourage hard-to-hear excessively wordy euphemisms.
the best I’ve come up with is that Dorothy doesn’t know if Joyce squirts or not, and the laundry might just be intended for the splash zone, but like normal people just use towels so I’m still confused
Yes it’s real but the exagerrated profusion of lubrication at orgasm in some Japanese cartoons isn’t real. There can be an increase in lubrication but not as much as some artists show to let readers know the female protag is enjoying the ride, so to say.
Is squirting real? Yes.
Is the squirting in most porn real? No. In most cases, that’s pee.
If it looks like the liquid is under pressure, then it’s pee. If it is coming out from just beneath the clit (where the urethrae typically is), it’s pee.
I mean whether the liquid is pee or not, the process of “squirting” wherein liquid is sprayed out in conjunction with orgasm, is a very real thing that happens to some people, even if its just convulsions causing the bladder to squeeze some out
Someone probably said this below, but maybe to demonstrate on? Showing where on the body to do what on the corresponding item of clothing, in hopes of reducing the Joyce Zombie Face intensity?
She invited the preacher to her house they say,
She said, “It’s a party, I’m 19 today.
Ma’s bought me a dress and a bonnet so cute,
So come round and see me in my birthday suit.”
I mean…you’re not wrong. I’m honestly a little lost as to how there would be an appropriate way to go about this, had Joyce asked. That doesn’t seem to be the type of friendship they have, and Joyce likely would benefit from talking to a trained sex educator. I mean, hell, Roz would be a choice here-if Joyce had asked, which she didn’t! Dorothy is bang out of order here.
She hasn’t said “yes” which is the far more important thing since consent is the presence of an affirmative, not the lack of a negative. She also literally just went nuclear on the group (specifically Dorothy) for the nonstop sex talk and judgements the last time we saw Joyce and Dorothy together.
Protip – if someone screams at you to leave them the hell alone, it is not appropriate to turn up at their room and inform them that you will be teaching them to masturbate.
The point is that it’s Joyce’s decision. There are boundaries to their friendship, but Joyce gets to decide where they are, not us. She’s an adult cartoon character, and as we’ve seen, formidable.when she wants to be. She is perfectly capable of saying no if she wants to.
Okay. So first of all, your insistence on respecting the autonomy of a fictional character who is written by a person is a little bizarre, considering that we just saw her shout at the other character to stay out of her business about this stuff specifically.
Secondly, great job on not acknowledging that what you said was messed up and contributing to r*pe culture. Super appreciate it. Gold star.
that’d def make me uncomfortable versus ‘researching’ on my own, or being the one asking, and unless they’re like open about using toys and all that as roz and some others would be, i don’t think it’s something you’d necessarily ask a friend, without there also being maybe an unconscious interest.
(tho i imagine even if joyce was more uninhibited, she probably hasn’t had as many chances with a house full of parents/multiple brothers and a roomate)
My best guess? And this is giving Dorothy a lot of credit?
The talk with Walky pushed her to commit to something that’s been hinted at for a long while now but hasn’t really taken off, and she’s doing this because its a thing she knows will help her towards that ultimate end.
……..changing schools to Harvard, of course, what did you think I meant?
Point is that I think she might be trying to wrap up any leftover Joyce business she’s been thinking about for a while so that she can leave without feeling guilty about abandoning her friend.
That’s precisely why dorothy needs someone to confront her here, treating all your friends like fix it projects before you leave is a great way to ruin said friendships.
Joyce, the last time she saw Dorothy: “It’s been nothing but sex talk and judgments since! Just leave me the hell alone.” Seems like a boundary Joyce has established is being crossed!
I’ve honestly been thinking of taking a break from the comment sections because I’ve been giving them too much time, but now? With this? Not sure I’m strong enough to resist.
This might be a slight bit of overreach Dorothy. Just a little bit. If she’d come to you and shyly asked you to teach her we might have the makings of a slip shine. You coming to her and announcing that out of the blue is a little creepy.
Dorothy decided to wear, perhaps the most revealing outfit I’ve seen her wear to help Joyce masturbate. I’m not saying there’s subtext or ulterior motives. I’m also not saying there’s not those things.
I pretty sure that’s just part of her warm weather workout gear. Not saying it’s not more skin than usual, but I don’t think it’s to look sexy, I think it’s cause she’s doing laundry.
Well without wanting to get too explicit, learning that particular skill didn’t help me to control those urges, if anything it made it worse (or better depending on your point of view)
Sometimes when I– or, uh, “one”– is considering seeking out a (potentially ill-advised) hookup, “one” may instead masturbate first and then decide that is all the physicality “one” actually needs for the foreseeable future.
I imagine this can vary a lot for people, and another big factor could be if there’s a specific person (and possibly feelings) involved. Like “Joyce wants to experience sexual pleasure” vs “Joyce wants to experience sexual pleasure with Joe.” This seems more likely to take care of that first one, and Dorothy might thinks that’s really all that’s under Joyce’s behavior.
Right, or say you – i mean, “one” – is invited to a party where that person will be, and finds “one”self is spending a bit too much time choosing their outfit and accessories and so on.. “One” may decide to take care of the horny first to be a bit less susceptible to resolve failure.
It’s like, you dont go to the supermarket on an empty stomach if you’re worried about your diet.
Okay… the idea of Dorothy marching into the room to have instructional lesbian sex with Joyce while Becky secretly watches and reports it to Dina via phone like an anthropologist has just hit the top of my Dumbverse porn parody comic wishlist.
I kept thinking reading the main page comments “oh God, if you thought Dorothy was meddling just now, wait till tomorrow, dear Taffy, when the meddling gets SEXY”
You know, of all the ways I expected Dorothy/Joyce to be canonized, “Dorothy is 100% CERTAIN that Joyce maybe liking Joe back is definitely and totally purely physical and Joe has never been vulnerable or taken efforts to change, while also failing to process her feelings for Walky as she encourages him to date Lucy – to the point of misinterpreting some of his discomfort at the love thing” was nowhere on my list of possibilities.
(This is sarcasm, this is a tremendous overstep, and I don’t THINK it’s being born out of anything but Dorothy feeling the overwhelming urge to Fix A Romantic Situation she disapproves of to cope with still having Feelings involving one she SHOULD be approving of, but at the same time I am laughing.)
Agreed and I’d also suggest a side order of generally feeling likes shes losing control and trying to regain some feeling of power by ordering Joyce about
Dorothy is almost certainly doing this because Joyce is into Joe. She even said a few strip back that Joyce was just horny. She’s thinking Joyce will lose interest once she achieves post nut clarity.
Yeah. Imagine hating someone so much you wanna make your friend masturbate. Like he infuriates you so much that you gotta show your friend how to solo play. That’s next level.
Yeah. Like Joyce. Because right now, it actually seems like Dorothy knows less about boundaries than Joyce does.
Now let’s speculate about which of the following will happen in tomorrow’s comic!
* Walky demonstrates mature emotional honesty.
* Amber starts introducing herself to other residents in the lobby and becomes the university’s premier social butterfly.
* Sal explores her latent sub kink.
* Sarah starts introducing herself to other residents in the lobby and becomes the university’s premier social butterfly.
* Rachel and Ruth hook up.
* Carla stops introducing herself to other residents in the lobby and becomes the university’s premier furtive wallflower.
Then Amber and Sarah get really competitive about it and decide the winner will be the one who can get Carla to engage with them. This is the entire plot of the arc. When we return to Joyce, it is the next day, she and Dorothy seem to be on the same terms as before, and it is never mentioned again.
would def be a potential lead into some doujin work, usually the ‘teaching’ ones tend to happen with an age gap tho, so it’s a good thing it’s dorothy and not say, leslie, which def would be inappropriate even if she wasn’t a teacher
“DOROTHY! I am not going to let you teach me to masturbate. That is WAY out of line!”
“Fine. Whatever. I’M going to go masturbate. You can watch if you want.”
“Wh-… Uh… I mean… O-obviously I wouldn’t…. I mean… …Hey, wait up so I can tell you all the reasons why I definitely wouldn’t watch that, and if I did, it would only be for research purposes.”
I definitely taught a girl in my dorm to masturbate in college after she confessed to NEVER having an orgasm despite having annoyingly loud sex with her boyfriend every few days.
But I’m super queer and she literally asked me to. I would NEVER just pop up to someone’s room (esp someone who has explicitly asked me to fuck off out of her sex life just a few hours ago) and discuss the masturbation lesson without even a hint of a request for interest/consent.
My hope is that Joyce rips into Dorothy for stepping so far over the line she can’t even see it anymore.
My guess is that Joyce will go along with it because it’s unlikely that Dorothy is going to get called out for the gross lack of agency she’s giving Joyce here. About sex. Because Joyce hasn’t had enough of people taking away her agency about that.
Now I’m thinking that if somehow along the line Joe gets wind of this he is going to be FURIOUS on Joyce’s behalf and be the one to tell Joyce she can expect better.
A lot to unpack here. If this is the first thing Dorothy has said to Joyce following Joyce’s very loud and public declarations that Dorothy’s commentary and opinions on her sexuality were unwanted and unappreciated, I’m gonna call this the most shocking disregard of feelings and boundaries that Dorothy has displayed yet.
Real Housewives of Reed Hall is about to get M E S S Y
Unfortunately Joyce is apparently too preoccupied with clean-up now to do the door-slamming. 4D chess being played by Dotty with this extremely ill-advised and inconsiderate move.
But that’s a terrible way to teach someone to masturbate! For many reasons!
Seriously though – everyone else is pissed at Dorothy about boundaries – I’m pissed that she didn’t go out and buy a couple cheap bullet vibes and do this right.
Dorothy is going to have Joyce start off by sitting on a laundry machine. I believe this happened in an episode of Scrubs. Dorothy was reminded of it when Walky made reference to the show. That was the ultimate point of their whole conversation.
Yeah like I’m not going to tar and feather Dorothy now, but she’s letting her own jealousy and whatever else push her into some not-okay stuff. She’s going to have to pull back a lot in a short amount of time. Like I get that her pride is wounded but this ain’t it, sis.
i mean, staying hygenic/cleaning up afterwards def would be important (tho ghosts in this specific instance don’t get dirty , or at least they probably can’t shower even if they wanted to because their clothes don’t come off fully in this universe [this and the bbc version has a ‘pantsless’ pervy ghost tho])
Some women are able to reach orgasm fully-clothed by leaning certain parts of there anatomy against an out-of-balance washing machine on spin cycle. All I can think of.
Why do I feel that it’s going to be a ‘sit on the washer while it goes’ sort of thing. That’s not cool… Those are for the whole floor. And this feels really gross…
i wonder what the school policy would that would be, i mean i don’t think there’s any rules as long as you don’t break it but i imagine an RA would prolly have some kinda psa about it
Yeah, aside from this being a complete overstep of boundaries on Dorothy’s part, this is a PUBLIC laundry space. Great first time to masturbate, in public where everyone you know can walk in at any time? What, is Dorothy planning on barring the door so no one can use any of the machines?
Yeah ,even if joyce was less uninhibited/open about sex/less uptight, i don’t see her going full exhibitionist either/would prolly make her more reserved about it
This is Dorothy trying to give Joyce a distraction so she’s thinking less about Joe, hence the “STI” remark. Dorothy regards Joe as just a very small step above full on sex offender status.
i was hoping that was something Joyce would figure out before she started seeing anyone, to help ease her into sexuality and figure herself out or something
This is… sexual harassment?? I’m not trying to be glib here – Joyce has repeatedly asked Dorothy to stay out of this part of her life and Dorothy keeps pushing the boundaries on this. It isn’t intentionally done with the intended effect of wearing Joyce down to have sex with her, but it’s still harassment! Like highkey if I were Joyce, I would be avoiding Dorothy, having jitters, spooking easily around her now… and unfortunately I know from experience. Normal friends don’t do this.
This is sexual harassment, yes. It’s probably not any kind of prosecutable or even punishable, for many reasons, but it does fall pretty neatly into the strict definition.
The goal of wearing someone down is not remotely necessary for it to be harassment.
Oh, sorry, I came off a bit confusing here – I know that it’s sexual harassment and I know the goal of wearing someone down isn’t necessary. The first sentence has multiple question marks to indicate my disbelief that I even had to make that explicit, and the statement about how it isn’t about wearing Joyce down to make her cave to a sexual relationship was just me anticipating that someone would make that argument. Unfortunately, I’ve had a lot of personal experience with this subject, so I’m more familiar than I like with the dynamic.
Actually now that I’m thinking of it, I believe there is an elliot reid scene in scrubs where she does end up sitting on the washing machine to get off, after being told/instructed by someone to do so.
Willis were you rewatching scrubs during the making of these past few strips?
m8, I really hope tis gets confirmed because that’s also exactly where my mind went (see above) (also, I think it was Carla who told her to try it out?) (not DoA Carla) (Carla from Scrubs).
I found clips from that episode, and Carla led up to the washing machine advice by… showing Elliot a Playboy magazine in the staff room, and Turk walked in.
Elliot did later try the washing machine, alone and in private. This from Dorothy is all wrong.
Maybe she coughed so hard she unintentionally peed on her way to the toilet. Like…I can hold it just fine but once my body has gotten ready to pee suddenly it’s on like…a hair trigger.
Dorothy’s on a roll, nothing but stellar decisions. Literally the last thing we saw Joyce say to her was stop planning her sex life for her and to “Just Leave Me the Hell Alone.”
I’ve spent like 30 minutes trying to come up with a joke Slipshine title but nope, this one’s just caught me too far off guard: A Dumbing of Age Commente
Don’t know about IU, but the laundry room at my university also had security cameras in it. So, depending on your ideal outcome, that may or may not help.
there are cheap, body-safe vibes! there are literally bullets in the single-digit prices! there are so many better ways to do this (and also a million better reasons to not do this)!
(I’m not arguing with you I’m arguing with Dorothy)
I’m going to wait to see where this actually goes before getting to serious about it, since I don’t think Dorothy’s actually going to take this, like… as far as it could go. But I’m enjoying working with the angle of “but what if she does.”
She’s planning on taking it far enough that she thinks Joyce might get a UTI.
“here’s an educational website to peruse on your own, since a search engine would probably just give you porn” would be an awkward conversation. “I’ve decided I’m going to guide you through touching yourself right now” is already quite a bit past some boundaries.
I don’t want anyone to get too personal but can anyone here say that learning to take care of business actually helped them to curb their sinful lusts because it sure didn’t curb mine, if anything it made it worse
might depend on the person, ‘post nut clarity’ is a thing, idk if it’s the same for some women, or maybe a ‘bad’ experience (not necessarily ‘regretful’, just bad/middling) would lessen ur desire (or a strong enough ‘toy’ to the point to where another partner can’t satisfy you might stop ppl from actively seeking hookups versus just dating and occasionally indulging)
I mean, for me masturbation and sex are super different activities and fulfill different needs. Sure i need to be somewhat horny to want to do either but.. maybe it’s cause I’m a bit kinky, so in sex I think I’m more excited to explore dom/sub dynamics and different pain-to-cuddles ratios than the vanilla aspects. I mean I like those too, but mostly as a giver not receiver.
And honestly i kind of.. don’t like coming with a partner 🤷♀️
i mean it doesn’t have to be a one-way dynamic. i can imagine Joe being kind of overwhelmed by his own insecurities wrt his romantic feelings that he’s so used to not having (or suppressing), and his horndog persona that he’s concerned Joyce still sees him as, and needing Joyce to reassure him and take charge a bit at first, but then once he’s realised she really sees him as the soft boy he is but also is super DTF it would be his time to shine. Joyce may also have a breakdown (maybe after coming for the first time) because the deep ingrained stigma of enjoying sex could send her on a tailspin into the cragged shamepit, and then it would be sweet to see the roles reversed and Joe holding her, and giving her time and just being a really good listener like he can be.
but eventually once they find their footing they might just lose all sense of the outside world and go on a 48hr sex bender =D
Some people need the physical embrace of another human being as much or more the orgasm. For some it’s the closeness of another human that gets them off as in can’t reach orgasm by themselves. That was the premise of the porno Devil in Miss Jones.
yeah i get that tho i’d be fine with just hugging a bunch of close friends without it being sexual
My group of friends were pretty affectionate, to the point where we all sat in each others laps too, surprised we never got scolded by the teachers for doing so during lunch or ppl giving mixed signals but i think i sat on more female laps than males to avoid a bit more awkwardness with teenager hormones lol
Becky is absolutely Yda/STORMBLOOD SPOILER and I now want to see her take Dina on a date that involves some kind of playful duel, preferably in the giant palm of a Rhalgr statue.
And I want to agree Sarah is Y’shtola, but these days my girl Ms. Clinton is leaning towards Emet-Selch for caustic grumpiness.
Honestly now that you’re saying that… I don’t know why first? I get the why you should pee after any sort of activity, solo or otherwise (helps flush out bacteria that could have gone in the urethra, since it is very close to the vaginal opening/clit, and because it’s a shorter pathway it’s much easier for UTIs to occur) but I’m drawing a blank on the before.
The idea of before is that it could flush out stuff like bacteria you don’t want or whatever before it gets pushed farther into you. Don’t know how much that’s actually true, but it doesn’t seem like it would hurt things either? (Actually, some people report having an easier time reaching orgasm with a fuller bladder, but some find it harder to relax the needed amount when they’re worried about pissing, so.)
there’s something about mild pressure in the bladder that either gets misinterpreted by the nervous system as horniness, or that helps the horniness along, I’m unsure of the exact mechanics, as I’ve never studied it, only experienced it
that said, it’s always made sense to me that we’d evolve a nervous system with that interpretation. do the sexy times while you’ve got a moderately full bladder and then once you’re finished with the afterglow you’ve got plenty of pee to clear out the ducts with and keep away those pesky UTIs
It’s even better to pee before, ideally before and after, to avoid UTIs. Before flushes what’s there out so activity doesn’t move it up, and after flushes out the new bacteria. If you’re prone to UTIs it definitely helps.
okay I know that the uterus’s presence causes the female bladder to be smaller than the male bladder, but if one pees before than how would they have enough to pee after?
unless they like pre-hydrate and then also hydrate throughout I guess
Because what comes out of a bladder has no relevance to what enters a uterus? The urethral opening and the vaginal opening are different holes so peeing has absolutely no effect on contraception.
Damn it, I was hoping I could leave that pretty vague and still be understood. Rookie mistake. Sorry, I was trying to quietly imply that pissing on the wrong person is a form of birth control, since they won’t wanna fuck afterward.
Probably woulda been clearer if I’d included literally any of those words. I should stop getting so high before I post.
In all seriousness, this is DOROTHY. She’s going to “teach” masturbation by going over the five ring binder with notes from her old sex ed class while they wait for the laundry to run.
holy hell Dorothy. for so many reasons but chief among them is that you think railroading your friend with religious and sexual trauma into masturbating with you is a good idea (!?)
I was horrified when I was only at panel 3, thinking it was ‘just’ that Dorothy was micromanaging Joyce and her health to the point of trying to tell her when to pee
yeah, but on the other hand, she’s not wrong that masturbation shouldn’t cause or lead to shame, should be an option if Joyce wants it, and might help fight off the hormone tide so she doesn’t make misguided decisions that will FURTHER traumatize her. dunno how she’s gonna approach it either, so I don’t think she necessarily means “with” her or in front of her or anything. just convincing Joyce to sit down and listen and teaching her WHAT to do once in private. *probably* with diagrams;; she’s Dorothy after all.
also as the best friend of somebody that had religious and sexual trauma, as a child even:
a common consequence of a person being abused or traumatized in that way, is repression and intense, all-consuming shame at being a person who has certain…desires and/or needs. yet, at the same time paradoxically, seeing an increase in that desire or need possibly, becoming fixated on it, and other types of obsession-y psychological nitty gritty like that.
remember: Joyce was lusting for Ethan once and had a dream of sexy Ken doll Ethan, asking him to “rub [his] thingy on [her] tummy” and then seeing him morph into Ryan. then wake up in a panic attack. this is a hallmark victim-of-abuse signifier that Joyce’s not-actually-new repressed lust is 1) having a resurgence from her hormones and age range, 2) is becoming confused with the trauma, and 3) she can’t not NOT think about it either.
so basically, Dotty is ACTUALLY trying to give her a new coping tool or mechanism…but it’s REALLY awkward, a trained therapist should be doing it, and neither of them probably wants Dotty to fill in for one. (also, Dorothy isn’t going to do as well at it as she hopes she will, because she’s a flawed untrained amateur.)
I think you’re right about a lot of this, especially the very last bit, but I’m not convinced this is how or why Dorothy’s going to go about it. Considering the context of the last couple (in comic) days, I think it’s more about “Joyce needs to learn to jack it so she doesn’t fuck Joe specifically” rather than “Joyce needs to learn this for coping and also to understand her body”
…..someone needs to do this for Joyce, but I don’t know if either of them want it to be Dotty, and I’m questioning her intended lesson plan. you COULD shove a book at her, watch her read it, then leave so she can experiment on her own time.
but I do look forward to Dotty needing to convince Joyce why this is needed, and why it’s healthy to masturbate and know sex ed stuff. because Dorothy is ultimately right that Joyce should know how **even if she doesn’t want to** and be told it isn’t shameful and be allowed to work on accepting those truths.
but.
this is also gonna be awkward AND hilarious, two of my FAVORITE things in dumbing of age. (picture the “well mark me down as scared AND horny” meme.)
oh cool my new icon as of the latest shifting aorund of them is hot emogoth angst edition™ ethan. I like goths (big tiddy or not, male or female) so. NICE.
if this really is about joe this is actually far worse than I imagined dorothy handling things
on the scale of talking things through with your friend to yelling apparent non-sequiturs at them, I think we’ve potentially reached statements that don’t even follow the law, depending on how strict indiana is about that kind of thing
i mean i’d probably want some distance but but if a roommate really wanted to do it/was pent up and i wasn’t available to go anywhere else i woudln’t stop them
Okay, I am asking as a guy (cis) and I didn’t need anyone to tell me how to do it. Kind of easy to figure it yourself when there is a direct reward feedback system when you are doing it right.
Yeah, there’s different sensitivity ranges for people. Some really like direct stimulation, so to speak, while some find it uncomfortable and are more indirect. Some like insertion, some ride pillows or otherwise get off without it. Vibrators are sought by many, but like the first thing, some find it uncomfortable. There’s a variety of tastes.
Penis-having folks have some variety, too, in approaches, but it’s usually permutations of the same sort of thing, or variables like prostate stimulation being something some do and others don’t. It doesn’t seem typically as varied.
Yeah it can be *significantly* more complicated for us. More variables and what works is not necessarily consistent across the board (and not just matter of “different people like different things better, what literally *works* for one will produce no positive sensation for another). We also often don’t immediately get positive feedback, for some it has to build or requires focus/concentration. It can take a lot more time to figure out what works and what doesn’t.
And it’s further complicated by the fact that the mechanisms usually involved in human reproduction do *not* result in climax for like 60% of women, and American sex ed for women is generally focused on periods and preventing pregnancy rather than actually understanding our anatomy.
Sorry, wasn’t sure of the preferred content rating for this comments section so I was trying to avoid being too explicit but hopefully that gives a brief intro of the issues at least.
As an afab i figured it out pretty instinctively as well. But i think when you reach Joyce’s level of repression you need a little help. Not like this of course but, yknow
Seriously, I doubt it. In spite of the many people trying to impose their boundaries on Joyce and Dorothy, they do have their own boundaries. People, even cartoon people, don’t usually change who they are on a dime.
My thought about the before is you don’t wanna pee during sexual activity. As to the why? Talking to Walky got Dorothy hot and bothered, and this is an outlet that feels acceptable for her. I am curious how Joyce chooses to respond (after she cleans up said pee.)
Of course, there could be a tragic backstory lurking around for all I know.
Nice try, Willis.
I know this is a one-day setup, and tomorrow Joyce will bash Dorothy aways. I’m a grumpy old adult and I know hope is a bongo sentiment.
I’m not 100% convinced that Dotty plans for them to go sit on the washers (though I’m also not denying it), but on this note I’ve never heard of anyone in real life enjoying that? I’ve only heard of a handful of people that bothered trying, admittedly. I technically have but it wasn’t to jack it, it was because it was a very violent washer and we were timing how long we could stay on it (like a bucking bronco), and I think we might have been standing up.
I feel like I understand exactly how we got here, and I know Joyce needs sex ed, but the implication that this gonna be a hands-on lesson makes it seem like Dorothy is spiraling and making impulsive decisions, not that she’s sure this is the best thing for Joyce’s well-being.
In hindsight, Dorothy’s had an odd amount of interest in Joyce’s sexual activity for a while now. Like that time she told Joyce to go buy lube for reasons I’ve forgotten and can’t be arsed to look up.
I think….Joyce was being annoying with Dorothy’s relationship or sex life or something
And Dorothy said something like im not having this conversation with you unless you show me a receipt for lube
Which at the time was basically like saying when pigs fly or hell freezes over
I really do think Dorothy might be on the worst downward spiral of all of these. It reminds me of Brene Brown’s TED Talk on vlnerablity, where she was obsessed with categorising things and perfection, and hated ‘wishy washy’ stuff, so she studied it and at the root of it… found wishy washy emotion, and had a complete nervous breakdown.
I’m also considering where Dorothy will be inside of 30 years from now, speaking to the nation during her State of the Union address…
“I’d like to discuss the budget, but first, will all Senators in the room please drop your pants…”
I’m as concerned as everyone else here, but willing to pause judgement on what Dorothy is actually planning for now. She might just be planning to say “These are some tools, they can be used as demonstrated in these diagrams, not everything works for everyone, do you have any questions?”
I do think this is spurred on by her wanting to guard Joyce from Joe though, and that is not great. I see a little bit of a parallel with Sarah here, who did “the right thing” in sending her previous roomie home (she was destructive and hurting Sarah through that), but that might not actually have been the thing that her former roomie wanted.
Maybe I’m putting too much faith into Dorothy, but her intent might be more along the lines of “You wanna date Joe? Fine, But he’s into sex, and you gotta know at least what that is.”
Agreed entirely. It seems like Dorothy’s way overstepping her bounds because part “boys only want one thing” panic and part some sort of anger over her Walky situation.
Overall this seems like a Dorothy problem that she’s using Joyce as an outlet for.
like… on one hand (lol) I definitely could have used some instructions, but on the other hand I’d have been MORTIFIED at someone actually telling me in person.
If this leads to the next slip shine I fully endorse it.
But seriously. This isn’t the worst idea. Maybe Dorothy is trying to think outside the box so to speak. Taking care of business is a good stress reliever. And while Dorothy may not like Joe it’s better that Joyce knows what’s going on with her body or she and Joe may have a bad time in the bedroom.
This is a boundary breach on Dorothy’s part on a massive scale, and quite frankly one that i’d never have expected her to actually make.
Whether or not Joyce masturbates is her business, and her business only. She doesn’t need to be “taught”to do it by anybody. OFFERING to help teach her what to do is one thing, but just straight up going “i’mma teach you to masturbate now” is very presumptious and shows how controlling Dorothy is.
She doesn’t see Joyce as equal, she sees her as someone who needs to be “fixed”, and she sees herself as the person who’s going to fix her. It’s all well meaning in a way, but she’s still way out of line and it shows that she doesn’t think very highly of Joyce. If she did then she wouldn’t be trying to meddle in Joyce’s life as much as she is. She’d trust that Joyce would figure things out on her own, in her own time.
Agreed that this is absolutely the worst idea, perhaps the worst idea anyone in this comic has made, ever.
But I don’t think it’s even really about Joyce—although that may be wore, depending on your outlook. I think the actions Dorothy takes to control her life are a form of self-destructive behavior, like drinking or overeating or smoking, and this we are watching the equivalent of her taking a swig straight from a vodka bottle after having to advise her ex about his love life.
Dorothy, no
Dorothy, yes ;-*
Yeah, I think Joyce should probably learn this stuff somehow and the internet is not the best place. I genuinely think Dorothy is the best person to teach Joyce basic sex ed because as we are keenly aware, Joyce has never learned anything that should even remotely be considered sex education and Joe is someone who is very sexual to put it mildly. If Joe/Joyce is going to happen Joyce needs to not be constantly horny when making decisions.
As someone who had to learn that skill twice, I definitely appreciated having people to talk to about it the second time.
It says a lot about me that my first instinctive thought wasn’t “You were poorly taught the first time” and instead was that you legimately forgot and had to go to a move reminder like Pokemon.
I had to learn the skill twice. Only because during my transition I’ve learned that male horny and female horny are two wildly different sides to the same coin.
Less like a coin, more like a multi-sided dice, NBs of all sorts get their own kinda hornys too! 😉
Pretty sure that’s not how biology works. You have the same brain.
Sexuality can definitely change in transition for a lot of folks I know.
1) You may have different sex hormones, which definitely impact horniness
2) You may have a different understanding of your sense of self, which can impact sexuality a lot.
Pre-transition, masturbation didn’t work for me at all, and that was fine, because I didn’t have to learn it. Post-HRT, well, I had to learn it and figure out how to make it work, because on my new hormone set, there weren’t really other options.
Yes and no. Going from T to E changes a lot about how the parts, the sensations associated with them, and the non-physical purely mental feelings themselves work. There’s overlap, but there’s also a lot of difference.
Staying SFW, and to keep a long story short, to me, testosterone-horny feels like running: you’re conscious about a cause/goal/target and you’re “en route” from the moment it starts to the moment it ends, one way or another. Estrogen/progestogen-horny on the other hand feels more like burning. The feeling is there independently of what you pay attention to, it’s much less focused, and it’s more of an internal feeling like heat seeping through, with much less control over it: it’s much harder to put aside and “forget about it”.
There is a lot of good, genuinely helpful stuff on the internet, though. In between the space of “telling Joyce to Google it” and “this,” there are options like Dorothy sending her links to reliable resources. But that’s not as fun of a comic.
Definitely not as fun, and no real time feedback!
I can recommend the site OhJoySexToy for good info on female masturbation with and without the use of toys. Been going for almost a decade dispensing good advice, not just about sex toys, but all facets of sexual health.
There’s a world of difference to approaching confidantes about the matter and having someone tell you they’re going to take charge of it and inform you of that fact like they’re telling you where you’re getting lunch.
Dorothy is being presumptuous right now, and it smacks of her deflecting from processing her own feelings regarding Walky.
Given that doing laundry is involved, I suspect the washing machine is going to play a role so it might not be as pushing boundaries as it sounds.
Considering the laundry room is a public place? I would bloody well hope not.
Never heard of sitting on the laundry machine to get off by the vibrations? Fully clothed and all that. Ok. Maybe modern machines have too good vibration control for that to work.
Nah, it’s not a post-Walky thing. This is part of her no-Joe campaign.
Can’t it be both?
I’m leaning 75/25 for it being about Joe-avoidance vs. Walky-regret.
The Walky-regret part is mostly sublimated.
I mean…Sarah seems like the logical alternative to me? She introduced Joyce to the concept of vibrators, after all. Although I guess it would be hard for her to resist the temptation to make fun of Joyce every other sentence. Still seems better than the awkwardness that will obviously come from Dorothy explaining this.
https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/how-to-masturbate-for-women#vaginal
Here’s the first result when I googled “how to masturbate women”. I think the internet is fine for this. Most of us learned by the internet and private exploration, right? Or am I the weird one that didn’t get lessons from my mom on how to masturbate?
I learned from books. Still learning!
Dorothy ALWAYS yes!
I agree. This is a very good friend move.
Well, when you’re a friend of Dorothy……
Dorothy, VERY YES ^_^
…hey Willis, are we about to get that Joyothy Slipshine I’ve been dreaming of for like the last 5 years or so? ;D
No, seriously. Dorothy, no. Granted that it would be better for Joyce to have a healthier relationship with her sexuality, but she literally JUST set a boundary with Dorothy about policing her sex life-or-lack-thereof. Dorothy bulldozing her way in to teach Joyce the joys of self love is NOT a good friend move, because Joyce does not want and is not comfortable with the information right now.
I do get where you’re coming from there, but this is more a case of filling in missing information – I don’t think she’s gonna MAKE Joyce do it, but she wants to make sure that Joyce knows ABOUT it and how to do it SAFELY, so that IF she ever wants to, she won’t risk injuring or infecting herself.
And let’s face it, Joyce doesn’t know much about the birds and the bees anyway, so there’s no way in hell that her parents, teachers, or anyone else back home ever taught any kids anything about safe masturbatory practices.
Like with a lot of other things, this knowledge is more a case of “better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it”.
Dorothy is NOT the right person, though, to give Joyce ANY information about this specifically BECAUSE Dorothy has been bulldozing Joyce’s boundaries in this regard all week and is bulldozing them now.
All THIS is going to do is give Joyce a new, secular trauma about masturbation/sex to go with her existing religious ones.
What the fu
That’s the idea, yes.
And so it begins. The great shitstorm of our time in the comments section.
Well just what did you expect from Demon Lord Willis? 666 comments doesn’t just happen you know!
I mean, on the whole, I’m pretty pro-Dorothy (at least when graded on the curve of “she’s just as fucked up as anyone guys cut her some slack for not being as good or smart as everyone expects her to be”), but even I’m just staring at this coming going “…I’m willing to give you more rope here, girl, but you really need to stop making it look like a noose.”
An excellent summary of my own position, thanks!
The Carradine threshold, if you will.
next slipshine lol.
tho feels best left to an expert but idk how much sex ed there’d be in college versus like, pamphlets
I mean, Willis does around 1 slipshine a year, give or take a few months, and we’re something like 10 months out from the last one, so you may not be wrong.
Really? I felt like we had a dry spell of a few years.
The most recent one was Dina/Becky. That can’t have been more than a year ago – Becky only just told Joyce it happened.
I meant prior to Dina/Becky. Like that was the first one we had in a long while.
Prior to that was the series of single images from mid 2020, I believe. So yeah, a bit longer than average, but I don’t think it quite hit two years (could be wrong though – not taking time to check dates or anything).
Actually, speaking of slipshine…
Okay, so there’s a comic that I thought was in the Artist Showcase, but I cannot find it, so I’m gonna reach out to the community here in the hopes that someone remembers it. The following description is generally SFW.
It features a young woman who is participating in a large sports meet – possibly the Olympics, but not sure. She is looking forward to a sexy after-party post event. Before the sports event, she meets a taller, muscular woman, upon whom she forms a crush. Later, after the event and before the afterparty, she runs into the tall woman again. The tall woman is nervous to go to the afterparty, but the protagonist provides some encouragement and offers to start first. They go in and both participate in the sexy fun times, but separately – an issue that the protagonist only realizes after the party is over. She approaches her crush again, points out what happened, and asks her out. Romantic end.
Does this sound remotely familiar to anyone? I swear it was on slipshine somewhere…
Cafe Les Beans, isn’t it? The chapters before the street racing.
Just discovered that comic! 😍 thanks, cant wait to read it!!!
Just be prepared for every single character to say everyone else’s name on every single page, even in one-on-one conversations.
Oh! I think that one might be “Peak Performance” on the comics list.
Yes! That’s the one – thanks!
Next Slipshine: “Dorothy Teaches a Sex”
I would pay for that if I hadn’t already paid for the other…
If the next Slipshine is legitimately “Dorothy teaches Joyce how to do a Sex”, then I will damn well pony up the dough to read it (and all the others – I’ve not actually read any of them yet)!
Uh…why though?
I’m guessing it’s because Joyce is into Joe. Dorothy thinks it’ll help her resist if she has post nut clarity.
I mean, damn she must really not like Joe. I get it..but damn.
I believe the term “hate” may be applicable.
“Hate is a strong word, but I really really really don’t like you…”
Yeah, she told Joyce “you’re just horny,” so she probably thinks (or at least hopes) that if Joyce gets off she’ll give up on Joe
There’s also the whole, you know, terrible period cramps thing. Masturbation anecdotally can relieve tension in the muscles or whatnot, or maybe just release some good chemicals into your system, but either way can help with the sensations of cramps.
I also don’t want us to discount the shippers, so I do want to point out that after what just happened, Dorothy may be horny too…
Yeah, it can help with cramps. As someone with personal experience with bad cramps where not much helps, this is one of the things that can.
If making sure Joyce does it correctly doesn’t take her mind off of Walky, nothing will.
“I need you to wear this wig and hold this bag of doritos”
On the orgasms reducing cramps thing:
In my experience, if I’m having bad cramps, I can’t reach climax due to the discomfort, so the technique is self-defeating.
HOWEVER, I have noticed that orgasms immediately before period cramps begin can reduce their severity. Ie, good sex the night before cramps begin results in a milder period overall.
So yeah, can confirm the basic technique as well if using a somewhat different execution of it.
Splendid, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, to help, to heal, with the Power of Science. 🥲
Yeah, I should have clarified it a bit better. You really don’t feel like doing much while you are doubled over in pain, but doing it preventatively or while on pain medication that manages to dull it (normally a combination of advil, Tylenol, caffeine and icy hot [depending on the location of the pain, as some parts are not where you put that] for me), it can help. Works much better as a preventative measure but if your time of the month is inconsistent, that can be difficult. I also note that what works for one person might not work for another, as I find tampons help me a little bit while for other people it can make it worse. At that point most people are ready to try anything to get some relief though.
Yes, there’s clinical studies that orgasms in the latter parts of the menstrual cycle are beneficial, causing the last little bit of blood to get shed from the uterine.
Why ask why? Try Bud dry.
Running out of Slipshine material
new avatar is … apt
Running out? Hardly. Just because they’re focusing first on new character pairings doesn’t mean Willis can’t revisit existing ones. Also, even with just two-on matches, the cast is large enough to support many more original pairings and setups.
Actually, in the fresh overcast gray of day, I believe I too need to ask ‘why’.
Specifically… why the laundry? Everything else, including Dorothy’s sexy outfit and the pre-masturbatory pee makes perfect sense.
The only thing I can think of is that Dorothy is planning to use the dryers as vibrators, like in that old joke pic, and that seems… like a bad idea. Inefficient for one thing – what are they going to do during the wash cycle?
Also… like, won’t other people need to do laundry too?
So… any thoughts as to what the laundry is for?
Part of me assumes it’s unrelated. Like “I’m doing laundry today and then I’m gonna help you cum.”
Dorothy is a multitasker. Lessons will be held in the laundry room. There will first be a Powerpoint presentation, followed by laboratory time to build practical skills. A full lab report will be due on Dorothy’s desk by Sunday night at 11:59pm.
A noisy laundry room may well take the nervous edge off of the lesson by introducing the absurd. If one must yell their questions and answers, it turns talking about sex from a secret nasty thing, into an exercise in working out a problem on a construction site. Also will discourage hard-to-hear excessively wordy euphemisms.
the best I’ve come up with is that Dorothy doesn’t know if Joyce squirts or not, and the laundry might just be intended for the splash zone, but like normal people just use towels so I’m still confused
Is squirting real? I’ve always heard conflicting information about whether or not it’s just a porn thing.
It’s real for some people (though it can definitely be faked/exaggerated for porn)
Yes it’s real but the exagerrated profusion of lubrication at orgasm in some Japanese cartoons isn’t real. There can be an increase in lubrication but not as much as some artists show to let readers know the female protag is enjoying the ride, so to say.
Is squirting real? Yes.
Is the squirting in most porn real? No. In most cases, that’s pee.
If it looks like the liquid is under pressure, then it’s pee. If it is coming out from just beneath the clit (where the urethrae typically is), it’s pee.
I mean whether the liquid is pee or not, the process of “squirting” wherein liquid is sprayed out in conjunction with orgasm, is a very real thing that happens to some people, even if its just convulsions causing the bladder to squeeze some out
Someone probably said this below, but maybe to demonstrate on? Showing where on the body to do what on the corresponding item of clothing, in hopes of reducing the Joyce Zombie Face intensity?
What the hell is that with the sudden spaghetti straps?
😮😮😮 😏😏😏
You’re lezzers for Joyce, aren’t you Dorothy? Welp, whether she reciprocates is anyone’s guess. Either that or she’s gonna fuck Joe outta spite.
Either way, it’s a win win. ✌️😈
i imagine she changed into something lighter/’sleeping clothes’/PJs to do the rest of her laundry
or if you wanna view it through ‘shipper goggles/lenses’, showing off some skin for joyce ;P
the sheer angst explosion of Joyce going gay for Dotty would be effing amazing. it would torpedo nearly every relationship in the comic.
Has the Dorothy x Joyce ship finally set sail?!
*Hoists my Joyothy mainsail*
Aye, and we’re praying for a fine wind today m’lads and lassies!
(I have no idea why I just made that sound like a Scottish pirate…? xD lol)
Dorothy is wearing something different now. Does she have…a special outfit for this activity? Girl really IS well organized.
Well, I have a special suit for that activity.
And for your birthday?
is…is it a birthday suit..?
Birthday?
Me too. Got it on my birthday.
Nudity.
She invited the preacher to her house they say,
She said, “It’s a party, I’m 19 today.
Ma’s bought me a dress and a bonnet so cute,
So come round and see me in my birthday suit.”
:3
Now you’ve have said that. And what’s abor her pack?
That makes me wonder if Dorothy has another pack in her closet with a banana, condom, and etcetera for the Other instruction session.
This feels like it’s toeing the line of sexual harassment, if it’s not there already
I mean…you’re not wrong. I’m honestly a little lost as to how there would be an appropriate way to go about this, had Joyce asked. That doesn’t seem to be the type of friendship they have, and Joyce likely would benefit from talking to a trained sex educator. I mean, hell, Roz would be a choice here-if Joyce had asked, which she didn’t! Dorothy is bang out of order here.
Yeah, if anything Joyce did the *opposite* of asking.
Joyce hasn’t said no.
She hasn’t said “yes” which is the far more important thing since consent is the presence of an affirmative, not the lack of a negative. She also literally just went nuclear on the group (specifically Dorothy) for the nonstop sex talk and judgements the last time we saw Joyce and Dorothy together.
Protip – if someone screams at you to leave them the hell alone, it is not appropriate to turn up at their room and inform them that you will be teaching them to masturbate.
Joyce hasn’t had time to say “no.” She’s had two seconds to reset all the circuit breakers in her brain.
yup, excellent assessment, freeze response = totally down for it as we all know, if someone never actually says no that means you must really want it
The point is that it’s Joyce’s decision. There are boundaries to their friendship, but Joyce gets to decide where they are, not us. She’s an adult cartoon character, and as we’ve seen, formidable.when she wants to be. She is perfectly capable of saying no if she wants to.
Okay. So first of all, your insistence on respecting the autonomy of a fictional character who is written by a person is a little bizarre, considering that we just saw her shout at the other character to stay out of her business about this stuff specifically.
Secondly, great job on not acknowledging that what you said was messed up and contributing to r*pe culture. Super appreciate it. Gold star.
There it is, folks: the worst take in the thread.
The literal last thing she said to Dorothy before this conversation was to stop making all kinds of comments about her having sex
I meant for this to be a response to Clif, what’s it doing down here
Yeah, it does that with no rhyme or reason.
that’d def make me uncomfortable versus ‘researching’ on my own, or being the one asking, and unless they’re like open about using toys and all that as roz and some others would be, i don’t think it’s something you’d necessarily ask a friend, without there also being maybe an unconscious interest.
(tho i imagine even if joyce was more uninhibited, she probably hasn’t had as many chances with a house full of parents/multiple brothers and a roomate)
This is WAY over that line, given Joyce just told Dorothy to stay the hell out of her sex life in general.
I feel like this is Dorothy spiraling out of control lmao
definitely, though I wonder how this will go
My best guess? And this is giving Dorothy a lot of credit?
The talk with Walky pushed her to commit to something that’s been hinted at for a long while now but hasn’t really taken off, and she’s doing this because its a thing she knows will help her towards that ultimate end.
……..changing schools to Harvard, of course, what did you think I meant?
Point is that I think she might be trying to wrap up any leftover Joyce business she’s been thinking about for a while so that she can leave without feeling guilty about abandoning her friend.
Why does everyone keep talking about Harvard, she never was about Harvard she was about YALE
Because my memory is shit? >_>
Its one of those Ivy League schools, you know, they’re all kinda interchangeable…
That’s precisely why dorothy needs someone to confront her here, treating all your friends like fix it projects before you leave is a great way to ruin said friendships.
Her first step the The Dark Side, or at least The Pervy Side.
BOUNDARIES. BOUNDARIES NOW!
Came here to say this…
Well, yes, but we don’t get to decide where those boundaries are. Joyce does.
Joyce, the last time she saw Dorothy: “It’s been nothing but sex talk and judgments since! Just leave me the hell alone.” Seems like a boundary Joyce has established is being crossed!
Ok uh…Dorothy in that outfit is…
She kinda bad ngl.
Oh good, I thought it was just me. Lordy.
Y’KNOW????
like, damn, Ms. Keener can get it
RIGHT!? LIKE…Dotty’s a Hottie.
i think i will not read the comments on this one. peace and love
I’ve honestly been thinking of taking a break from the comment sections because I’ve been giving them too much time, but now? With this? Not sure I’m strong enough to resist.
I don’t think anyone here is strong enough to resist Demon Lord Willis, he’s gotten too powerful! 🤯
*plays “A Moment For Shuddering” from DBZ on hacked muzak*
Just because we’re invisible doesn’t mean we don’t exist.
Funny because this strip is the reason I’m actually reading the comments for the first time in months!
Understandable. Godspeed.
This might be a slight bit of overreach Dorothy. Just a little bit. If she’d come to you and shyly asked you to teach her we might have the makings of a slip shine. You coming to her and announcing that out of the blue is a little creepy.
*plays “Space Age Whiz Kid” on the hacked Muzak*
I would have gone with “I touch myself” by the Divinyls, or “Dancing by myself”, or “She-bop” by Cindi Lauper.
Dammit, *I* was going to go with She Bop.
She Bop for the win!
I have I Feel Love by Donna Summer playing right now, also appropriate.
Dorothy decided to wear, perhaps the most revealing outfit I’ve seen her wear to help Joyce masturbate. I’m not saying there’s subtext or ulterior motives. I’m also not saying there’s not those things.
I pretty sure that’s just part of her warm weather workout gear. Not saying it’s not more skin than usual, but I don’t think it’s to look sexy, I think it’s cause she’s doing laundry.
Oh I’m aware of that.
That said it’s definitely two birds with one stoning.
Don’t you mean rocks?
Naw, two birds passing a blunt. They got a good rotation going.
I’m pretty sure it’s still early spring semester, aka winter, probably February? Not warm weather.
Yup, so she wouldn’t wear that outside. Maybe it’s her last clean outfit. Hence, time to do laundry.
Did I miss a strip or is Dorothy thinking that by teaching Joyce how to feed the ducks she’ll be able to resist Joe?
“Feeding the ducks” is now my new favorite euphemism.
Thank you, I like to keep it classy.
Just remember not to feed the ducks bread, it’s bad for them.
That’s how you get a yeast infection.
🤣😂😅 Had to catch my breath on that one.
Yeah. Nobody wants a yeast infection.
Aw dang, ninja’d by Yumi. Well played.
“Distributing some Free Literature”
That’s my best guess, yes – that shielded by ability to relieve her own urges she will not be led astray by the Horny One.
The interesting question though is why Dorothy went straight from frustration over Walky to this. Odd way of working through her emotions.
Well without wanting to get too explicit, learning that particular skill didn’t help me to control those urges, if anything it made it worse (or better depending on your point of view)
Sometimes when I– or, uh, “one”– is considering seeking out a (potentially ill-advised) hookup, “one” may instead masturbate first and then decide that is all the physicality “one” actually needs for the foreseeable future.
I imagine this can vary a lot for people, and another big factor could be if there’s a specific person (and possibly feelings) involved. Like “Joyce wants to experience sexual pleasure” vs “Joyce wants to experience sexual pleasure with Joe.” This seems more likely to take care of that first one, and Dorothy might thinks that’s really all that’s under Joyce’s behavior.
Right, or say you – i mean, “one” – is invited to a party where that person will be, and finds “one”self is spending a bit too much time choosing their outfit and accessories and so on.. “One” may decide to take care of the horny first to be a bit less susceptible to resolve failure.
It’s like, you dont go to the supermarket on an empty stomach if you’re worried about your diet.
thanks, you made me muss my pet ducks I got 5 years ago
Is uhhhh
is Becky
uhhhhh
is Becky
y’know
uhhhh
still here?
Becky, just off-panel, hiding under Joyce’s comforter and hissing into her phone: holy SHIT, Dina, you are not gonna BELIEVE this
Dina? Dina? This is your girlfriend. Becky Macintyre? You know that sound you’ve been looking for? Well listen to this!
every once in a blue moon, I read a comment that vindicates my decision to read comments
Okay… the idea of Dorothy marching into the room to have instructional lesbian sex with Joyce while Becky secretly watches and reports it to Dina via phone like an anthropologist has just hit the top of my Dumbverse porn parody comic wishlist.
Dina! They’re stealing our move! We just made it up and we’re already being infringed!
Alright, I’ll admit I didn’t see that one coming. That was not where I thought this was going. You have my attention.
I kept thinking reading the main page comments “oh God, if you thought Dorothy was meddling just now, wait till tomorrow, dear Taffy, when the meddling gets SEXY”
Sexy meddling is the only good meddling.
Praise be with you, Taffy!
Seems if you monitor the slipshine you *will* see it coming.
Oh no! Is this the end of Laundry Pile?
It better not be! I have yet to make a game about it! 🙁
Maybe she’s gonna teach Joyce to masturbate ON the laundry Pile.
It’s important to properly support yourself. Laundry pile is easily customized and adjustable.
Bad idea. We don’t want Joyce associating Becky’s smell with sexytimes. No good would come of that now.
Also there’s a real chance that Becky REALLY won’t do her laundry after that.
Slipshine
Did not see this Slipshine coming.
Slipshine when?
Does Joyce think you need to pee before doing laundry?
Yes. Also, Dorothy is holding a bag of what might be laundry, but that’s unrelated.
“Well-Read AF” except when it comes to healthy social boundaries. Especially uhh whatever tf this is here.
It took me until reading this to assign any meaning to “Well-Read AF”. Thank you…I think.
You know, of all the ways I expected Dorothy/Joyce to be canonized, “Dorothy is 100% CERTAIN that Joyce maybe liking Joe back is definitely and totally purely physical and Joe has never been vulnerable or taken efforts to change, while also failing to process her feelings for Walky as she encourages him to date Lucy – to the point of misinterpreting some of his discomfort at the love thing” was nowhere on my list of possibilities.
(This is sarcasm, this is a tremendous overstep, and I don’t THINK it’s being born out of anything but Dorothy feeling the overwhelming urge to Fix A Romantic Situation she disapproves of to cope with still having Feelings involving one she SHOULD be approving of, but at the same time I am laughing.)
Well, I dunno what to tell you except read more fanfiction then. 😛
Agreed and I’d also suggest a side order of generally feeling likes shes losing control and trying to regain some feeling of power by ordering Joyce about
Yeah the ultimate result of all this is literally anyone’s guess! 🤯
Kudos to Demon Lord Willis, he really know’s what he’s doing.
Dorothy Finds A Fist-Adjacent Way To Let Her Frustrations Out After All: A Dumbing of Age Pornographique
delightful xD
Nice.
👍An appropriate title.
Hey, what.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah won’t even lie, my brain broke reading this for the first time. This oughta be hilarious.
Dorothy is almost certainly doing this because Joyce is into Joe. She even said a few strip back that Joyce was just horny. She’s thinking Joyce will lose interest once she achieves post nut clarity.
Plus by ordering Joyce about Dorothy gets the feeling of control and power back that shes been missing lately
It does feel like people who cum instantly lose interest in Joe. It’s a likely theory.
Or it might backfire. Like that one ruth and joyce discussion
“you’re gonna pratfall into your first orgasm and bang half the town”
“so i should preemtively marry half the town”
**blinks**
I forgot that comment.
Oh. Oh my. Could that have been some brick-joke level foreshadowing?
Oh please! Oh please!
Sarah that’s unfair, I don’t think I’ve ever seen Billie wear that specific outfit.
Dorothy’s hatred of Joe is starting to go beyond mere dislike.
Yeah. Imagine hating someone so much you wanna make your friend masturbate. Like he infuriates you so much that you gotta show your friend how to solo play. That’s next level.
‘Imagine hating someone so much you wanna make your friend masturbate’ I’d vote for this line to be the title of the next book
Someone needs to teach Dorothy about boundaries.
Yeah. Like Joyce. Because right now, it actually seems like Dorothy knows less about boundaries than Joyce does.
Now let’s speculate about which of the following will happen in tomorrow’s comic!
* Walky demonstrates mature emotional honesty.
* Amber starts introducing herself to other residents in the lobby and becomes the university’s premier social butterfly.
* Sal explores her latent sub kink.
* Sarah starts introducing herself to other residents in the lobby and becomes the university’s premier social butterfly.
* Rachel and Ruth hook up.
* Carla stops introducing herself to other residents in the lobby and becomes the university’s premier furtive wallflower.
Then Amber and Sarah get really competitive about it and decide the winner will be the one who can get Carla to engage with them. This is the entire plot of the arc. When we return to Joyce, it is the next day, she and Dorothy seem to be on the same terms as before, and it is never mentioned again.
*Sal explores her latent sub kink
Sub kinks? In MY cool leather-jacket-clad punk hot girl?
It’s more likely than you think.
If you’ve been writing fan fiction, now is the time to share.
Okay but that sal one sounds hot actually
what
What What in the
the subject of today’s lesson is HOW, not what
pay attention people, c’mon now
Ok…like…there’s a lot of stuff I could draw with this as a setup but I honestly just wanna see where this goes.
would def be a potential lead into some doujin work, usually the ‘teaching’ ones tend to happen with an age gap tho, so it’s a good thing it’s dorothy and not say, leslie, which def would be inappropriate even if she wasn’t a teacher
“DOROTHY! I am not going to let you teach me to masturbate. That is WAY out of line!”
“Fine. Whatever. I’M going to go masturbate. You can watch if you want.”
“Wh-… Uh… I mean… O-obviously I wouldn’t…. I mean… …Hey, wait up so I can tell you all the reasons why I definitely wouldn’t watch that, and if I did, it would only be for research purposes.”
Uh so maybe my college experience was different but my friends were not this close
Yoto we call on your spirit
Gosh. It feels like a setup. Like catching a pop fly don’t it? I’m SUPER tempted ngl.
I definitely taught a girl in my dorm to masturbate in college after she confessed to NEVER having an orgasm despite having annoyingly loud sex with her boyfriend every few days.
But I’m super queer and she literally asked me to. I would NEVER just pop up to someone’s room (esp someone who has explicitly asked me to fuck off out of her sex life just a few hours ago) and discuss the masturbation lesson without even a hint of a request for interest/consent.
My hope is that Joyce rips into Dorothy for stepping so far over the line she can’t even see it anymore.
My guess is that Joyce will go along with it because it’s unlikely that Dorothy is going to get called out for the gross lack of agency she’s giving Joyce here. About sex. Because Joyce hasn’t had enough of people taking away her agency about that.
Now I’m thinking that if somehow along the line Joe gets wind of this he is going to be FURIOUS on Joyce’s behalf and be the one to tell Joyce she can expect better.
I…
Wh–
Huh???
A lot to unpack here. If this is the first thing Dorothy has said to Joyce following Joyce’s very loud and public declarations that Dorothy’s commentary and opinions on her sexuality were unwanted and unappreciated, I’m gonna call this the most shocking disregard of feelings and boundaries that Dorothy has displayed yet.
Real Housewives of Reed Hall is about to get M E S S Y
That’s a really good point, I’ve already forgotten that their last interaction was literally Joyce telling Dorothy to step off.
This. . This is a nooooooo Dorothy. Noooooooo.
I would slam the door in your face. After nervously asking her to repeat herself.
This. . I. . .*what are you thinking doing this unprompted*?
How in anyway can you think this was a good idea, even if you just think Joyce is too horny for Joe to think properly?
Like. . . I am 90% sure that the personal boundaries here were broached in this manner. Like not even briefly discussed, or conversed, *broached*.
Unfortunately Joyce is apparently too preoccupied with clean-up now to do the door-slamming. 4D chess being played by Dotty with this extremely ill-advised and inconsiderate move.
Maybe I’m dense, but what exactly is the connection between laundry and masturbation?
they are going to masturbate the laundry
The laundry’s been carrying a lot of tension lately, this’ll be good for it.
Sitting in the dryer, I assume.
THat was the only thing I could think of too.
But that’s a terrible way to teach someone to masturbate! For many reasons!
Seriously though – everyone else is pissed at Dorothy about boundaries – I’m pissed that she didn’t go out and buy a couple cheap bullet vibes and do this right.
Do not google “wet spot.”
Dorothy is going to have Joyce start off by sitting on a laundry machine. I believe this happened in an episode of Scrubs. Dorothy was reminded of it when Walky made reference to the show. That was the ultimate point of their whole conversation.
That almost has to be it, with the Scrubs reference from Walky.
Also Dorothy is making me mad uncomfortable here. Boundaries and consent are crucial and she’s disregarding both. Feels really yucky.
This is a very rough start, but I’m willing to give this conversation five more seconds before deciding to unleash my army of bees.
Yeah like I’m not going to tar and feather Dorothy now, but she’s letting her own jealousy and whatever else push her into some not-okay stuff. She’s going to have to pull back a lot in a short amount of time. Like I get that her pride is wounded but this ain’t it, sis.
You gotta clean up, obviously
wasn’t there some kinda promo art/bonus poster of joyce on top of a laundry machine at one point?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeH1QbfBNt4 “sit on it!”
got a good chuckle from “clean thoughts”
clean thoughts indeed >:3
so much for clean thoughts, human!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha… ✌️😈
i mean, staying hygenic/cleaning up afterwards def would be important (tho ghosts in this specific instance don’t get dirty , or at least they probably can’t shower even if they wanted to because their clothes don’t come off fully in this universe [this and the bbc version has a ‘pantsless’ pervy ghost tho])
Some women are able to reach orgasm fully-clothed by leaning certain parts of there anatomy against an out-of-balance washing machine on spin cycle. All I can think of.
almost seems like something that’d be outta a sex comedy/movie for like someone to test one of those in store massage chairs haha
“That escalated quickly.”
Why do I feel that it’s going to be a ‘sit on the washer while it goes’ sort of thing. That’s not cool… Those are for the whole floor. And this feels really gross…
Yeah, they’re for the whole floor to sit on. It’s like gym equipment.
Please make sure to wipe down the equipment when you’re finished using it.
No, really.
👍
i wonder what the school policy would that would be, i mean i don’t think there’s any rules as long as you don’t break it but i imagine an RA would prolly have some kinda psa about it
Yeah, aside from this being a complete overstep of boundaries on Dorothy’s part, this is a PUBLIC laundry space. Great first time to masturbate, in public where everyone you know can walk in at any time? What, is Dorothy planning on barring the door so no one can use any of the machines?
Yeah ,even if joyce was less uninhibited/open about sex/less uptight, i don’t see her going full exhibitionist either/would prolly make her more reserved about it
This is Dorothy trying to give Joyce a distraction so she’s thinking less about Joe, hence the “STI” remark. Dorothy regards Joe as just a very small step above full on sex offender status.
UTI, not STI. Different thing.
Ah! Sorry I misread.
She doesn’t want her to get a UTI a urinary tract infection… that is not an std
Dorothy. What is wrong with you?
Joyce: Dorothy! What is wrong with you? What is suddenly wrong with everybody? It seems like Joe is the only person not pushing sex at me!
Dorothy: [registers shock]
oh this is gonna be good
Dorothy went from 0 to 120 in supporting Joyce’s crush on Joe. Somewhere in the middle would’ve been more preferable…
I don’t know that this is supporting, “You can have sexy times without Joe” seems to be a more likely message goal.
Crap you’re right. Dorothy took the wrong lessons from her talk with Walky.
i was hoping that was something Joyce would figure out before she started seeing anyone, to help ease her into sexuality and figure herself out or something
but
dorothy no
not like this
Okay folks this might not be about Joe. Self-pleasure can help to combat period pains.
Well yeah, but who wants their first masturbation experience to be on their period? Guh, no thanks.
I think that’s why she was waiting until Joyce was feeling better.
Dorothy, this could get you expelled???? You’d never get into Yale. She is not thinking at all.
How would this get her expelled? They’re adults free to do what they want. Joyce can easily refuse if she’s not into it.
Joyce could do something completely out of character and go to some sort of authority figure about Dorothy, I guess? Seems like a stretch.
Yeah she’s not going to snitch, at most she’ll tell Dorothy to fuck off
She won’t use that exact phrasing, for multiple reasons.
Maybe they’re thinking Dorothy is going to take Joyce to masturbate in the laundry room?
Makes sense, given the presence of a washing machine. 🤔
This is… sexual harassment?? I’m not trying to be glib here – Joyce has repeatedly asked Dorothy to stay out of this part of her life and Dorothy keeps pushing the boundaries on this. It isn’t intentionally done with the intended effect of wearing Joyce down to have sex with her, but it’s still harassment! Like highkey if I were Joyce, I would be avoiding Dorothy, having jitters, spooking easily around her now… and unfortunately I know from experience. Normal friends don’t do this.
This is sexual harassment, yes. It’s probably not any kind of prosecutable or even punishable, for many reasons, but it does fall pretty neatly into the strict definition.
The goal of wearing someone down is not remotely necessary for it to be harassment.
Oh, sorry, I came off a bit confusing here – I know that it’s sexual harassment and I know the goal of wearing someone down isn’t necessary. The first sentence has multiple question marks to indicate my disbelief that I even had to make that explicit, and the statement about how it isn’t about wearing Joyce down to make her cave to a sexual relationship was just me anticipating that someone would make that argument. Unfortunately, I’ve had a lot of personal experience with this subject, so I’m more familiar than I like with the dynamic.
Actually now that I’m thinking of it, I believe there is an elliot reid scene in scrubs where she does end up sitting on the washing machine to get off, after being told/instructed by someone to do so.
Willis were you rewatching scrubs during the making of these past few strips?
m8, I really hope tis gets confirmed because that’s also exactly where my mind went (see above) (also, I think it was Carla who told her to try it out?) (not DoA Carla) (Carla from Scrubs).
I mean I vaguely recall a DoA image with exactly that?
I found clips from that episode, and Carla led up to the washing machine advice by… showing Elliot a Playboy magazine in the staff room, and Turk walked in.
Elliot did later try the washing machine, alone and in private. This from Dorothy is all wrong.
how does Joyce get pee on the floor while coughing? did she fall off the toilet?
Maybe she coughed so hard she unintentionally peed on her way to the toilet. Like…I can hold it just fine but once my body has gotten ready to pee suddenly it’s on like…a hair trigger.
OKAY. I FINALLY REALIZED What the hell Dorothy means.
Why laundry???? By “teach you how to masturbate” she means “sit on a washer and/or dryer”.
This is VERY DIFFERENT than what initially came to mind.
Mind you, it’s still extremely weird, but less close to a direct solicitation for sex phrased as something else.
that didn’t come to mind for me at all but I think you might be right
I mean, idk how much she caught through the sight of pants being covered but she has a vague idea of how sarah’s done it
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/bluffing/
she got a vague description here
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/03-up-all-night-to-get-vengeance/funnystory/
Was NOT expecting that, that’s for sure. So in that sense, yes i’m sharing joyce’s reaction. But I didn’t pee on the floor.
Really curious how laundry works as a teaching tool…
Off-balance load in the basket, wait for the spin cycle.
Ah, so this is the scene that Daisy was referring to as queerbaity.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-12/01-sister-christian/endgame-3/
It’s a bit more Masterbaity
*rimshot*
No, today’s lesson is about masturbation.
Dorothy is teaching Joyce about rimshots tomorrow.
You know these Slipshine lead-ins are getting more overt every time.
Also, I guess this means that the pin-up from years ago is finally semi-canon.
This is the lead-in to like a million fanfics
Dorothy’s on a roll, nothing but stellar decisions. Literally the last thing we saw Joyce say to her was stop planning her sex life for her and to “Just Leave Me the Hell Alone.”
…
Well that turned left and sprained my ankle really quickly.
I’ve spent like 30 minutes trying to come up with a joke Slipshine title but nope, this one’s just caught me too far off guard: A Dumbing of Age Commente
” Definitely pee”
Spent like 20 minutes trying to make a pun between “O no Dorothy” and “Onan”.
Joyce and Dorothy in “Dirty Laundry”
When do the Marx Brothers show up?
Soundtrack by Don Henley.
Nani the FUC-
👀 Dorothy wtf
Also the laundry room is a public area. That’s a terrible place to masturbate even if it’s a free vibe.
Don’t know about IU, but the laundry room at my university also had security cameras in it. So, depending on your ideal outcome, that may or may not help.
there are cheap, body-safe vibes! there are literally bullets in the single-digit prices! there are so many better ways to do this (and also a million better reasons to not do this)!
(I’m not arguing with you I’m arguing with Dorothy)
I’m going to wait to see where this actually goes before getting to serious about it, since I don’t think Dorothy’s actually going to take this, like… as far as it could go. But I’m enjoying working with the angle of “but what if she does.”
She’s planning on taking it far enough that she thinks Joyce might get a UTI.
“here’s an educational website to peruse on your own, since a search engine would probably just give you porn” would be an awkward conversation. “I’ve decided I’m going to guide you through touching yourself right now” is already quite a bit past some boundaries.
at this point, have jen bankroll a bunch of toys for her to experiment with lol
I don’t want anyone to get too personal but can anyone here say that learning to take care of business actually helped them to curb their sinful lusts because it sure didn’t curb mine, if anything it made it worse
might depend on the person, ‘post nut clarity’ is a thing, idk if it’s the same for some women, or maybe a ‘bad’ experience (not necessarily ‘regretful’, just bad/middling) would lessen ur desire (or a strong enough ‘toy’ to the point to where another partner can’t satisfy you might stop ppl from actively seeking hookups versus just dating and occasionally indulging)
I don’t trust PNC, Yoto. That guy is my enemy.
CW: TMI lol
I mean, for me masturbation and sex are super different activities and fulfill different needs. Sure i need to be somewhat horny to want to do either but.. maybe it’s cause I’m a bit kinky, so in sex I think I’m more excited to explore dom/sub dynamics and different pain-to-cuddles ratios than the vanilla aspects. I mean I like those too, but mostly as a giver not receiver.
And honestly i kind of.. don’t like coming with a partner 🤷♀️
On that topic I wonder what Joyce and Joe’s dynamic is. Like I could see Joyce being a bit subby with Joe lovingly coaching and reassuring her.
But I like the idea of Joyce actually being unexpectedly dominant. Like she knows exactly what she wants and Joe follows her lead.
i mean it doesn’t have to be a one-way dynamic. i can imagine Joe being kind of overwhelmed by his own insecurities wrt his romantic feelings that he’s so used to not having (or suppressing), and his horndog persona that he’s concerned Joyce still sees him as, and needing Joyce to reassure him and take charge a bit at first, but then once he’s realised she really sees him as the soft boy he is but also is super DTF it would be his time to shine. Joyce may also have a breakdown (maybe after coming for the first time) because the deep ingrained stigma of enjoying sex could send her on a tailspin into the cragged shamepit, and then it would be sweet to see the roles reversed and Joe holding her, and giving her time and just being a really good listener like he can be.
but eventually once they find their footing they might just lose all sense of the outside world and go on a 48hr sex bender =D
I like that too.
Joyce was kind of Dom in that dream, but I don’t know how much is really her and how much was just dream surrealism.
Sigh. Dorothy, wouldn’t it be simpler to explain your history with Joe to Joyce?
lol i wonder if her changing her clothes/showing off her skin is intentional ;P (prolly not because laundry haha)
And i get the logic, but i imagine if it were enough versus one night stands, almost nobody would hookup outside of dating
She’s cute in a tank top, not gonna lie.
I concur.
Some people need the physical embrace of another human being as much or more the orgasm. For some it’s the closeness of another human that gets them off as in can’t reach orgasm by themselves. That was the premise of the porno Devil in Miss Jones.
yeah i get that tho i’d be fine with just hugging a bunch of close friends without it being sexual
My group of friends were pretty affectionate, to the point where we all sat in each others laps too, surprised we never got scolded by the teachers for doing so during lunch or ppl giving mixed signals but i think i sat on more female laps than males to avoid a bit more awkwardness with teenager hormones lol
DOROTHY !!!!
Felt like she was due for a “messy era” arc for a while but this was NOT on my bingo card
NOT THOSE GATES DOROTHY
NOT THOSE GATES
although Joyce could certainly do with having her expanse contracted if you know what I mean and I think you do
Dorothy: “I am a masturbator of eld! TREMBLE BEFORE MY GLORY!!”
Dorothy: HOW OUR HEARTS SING IN THE CHAOS! RRRRRRREVEL! TWAS A MEMORABLE DANCE INDEED!
now I want to do ffxiv quotes out of context for all the DOA characters
Susano is really too chill for Dorothy, though. She’s more of an Urianger or Mikoto.
God, Dorothy as Urianger is kind of perfect, they even both do a lot of the same unhealthy repression
Ethan as Hermes, natch
Alisaie as Joyce?
I’d put Becky as Alisaie before I’d put Joyce. Joyce has more Alphinaud vibes for me, with the idealism…well, maybe less so these days, but still.
Hmm…is Walky Thancred? ARR fuckboy Thancred, at least.
Sarah…is Y’shtola.
oh my god sarah is the most yshtola that has ever yshtola’d
agree on Joyce/Alphinaud and Becky/Alisaie
So, is Dina Krile or Papalymo?
Dina Krile but the cat ear hood is a dinosaur!
Wait, I take it back. Becky is Yda.
Becky is absolutely Yda/STORMBLOOD SPOILER and I now want to see her take Dina on a date that involves some kind of playful duel, preferably in the giant palm of a Rhalgr statue.
And I want to agree Sarah is Y’shtola, but these days my girl Ms. Clinton is leaning towards Emet-Selch for caustic grumpiness.
Emet-Sarah…and Joycelodaeus
Emet-Sarah is a really funny idea to me.
I could see a certain argument for Becky being a Ryne, tbh.
Becky-Ryne and Dina-Gaia absolutely sends me as an idea
THAT GRAVATAR LMAAAAOOOOO I LOVE IT
Take it. I just like shitposting with my grave.
As someone with a wiener who has no idea about female stuffs, why do you need to pee first? Wiener peopleses do not.
Honestly now that you’re saying that… I don’t know why first? I get the why you should pee after any sort of activity, solo or otherwise (helps flush out bacteria that could have gone in the urethra, since it is very close to the vaginal opening/clit, and because it’s a shorter pathway it’s much easier for UTIs to occur) but I’m drawing a blank on the before.
The idea of before is that it could flush out stuff like bacteria you don’t want or whatever before it gets pushed farther into you. Don’t know how much that’s actually true, but it doesn’t seem like it would hurt things either? (Actually, some people report having an easier time reaching orgasm with a fuller bladder, but some find it harder to relax the needed amount when they’re worried about pissing, so.)
there’s something about mild pressure in the bladder that either gets misinterpreted by the nervous system as horniness, or that helps the horniness along, I’m unsure of the exact mechanics, as I’ve never studied it, only experienced it
that said, it’s always made sense to me that we’d evolve a nervous system with that interpretation. do the sexy times while you’ve got a moderately full bladder and then once you’re finished with the afterglow you’ve got plenty of pee to clear out the ducts with and keep away those pesky UTIs
I wish people who wanted to discuss sexual education didn’t do it by talking in a childish way. Feels super gross.
Just use adult terminology. Please.
I was trying not to offend anybody. Guess I failed.
Not offended. Making a request for the previously mentioned reasons is all.
No it’s funnier
Personally I’ve never heard of peeing before sex/masturbation, speaking as a woman here. After, yes. Before, no.
It’s even better to pee before, ideally before and after, to avoid UTIs. Before flushes what’s there out so activity doesn’t move it up, and after flushes out the new bacteria. If you’re prone to UTIs it definitely helps.
okay I know that the uterus’s presence causes the female bladder to be smaller than the male bladder, but if one pees before than how would they have enough to pee after?
unless they like pre-hydrate and then also hydrate throughout I guess
And here I assumed it was a birth control thing.
Why would peeing help with birth control?
Why wouldn’t it?
Because what comes out of a bladder has no relevance to what enters a uterus? The urethral opening and the vaginal opening are different holes so peeing has absolutely no effect on contraception.
Damn it, I was hoping I could leave that pretty vague and still be understood. Rookie mistake. Sorry, I was trying to quietly imply that pissing on the wrong person is a form of birth control, since they won’t wanna fuck afterward.
Probably woulda been clearer if I’d included literally any of those words. I should stop getting so high before I post.
because some people are into that
As someone with a weiner, you might need to pee right after nutting
If you empty the bladder beforehand, you avoid awkward situations
Before, after, as long as you get the demons out at some point, it’s generally safer.
Actually, I find that if I needs to pee, matters become somewhat difficult and painful.
In all seriousness, this is DOROTHY. She’s going to “teach” masturbation by going over the five ring binder with notes from her old sex ed class while they wait for the laundry to run.
The direction to pee, and concern about a UTI, suggestions Dorothy plans a practical lesson.
Yeah, like, did you figured out as she never changed her expression????
Isn’t Joyce already acquainted with the magic of The Dryer
I think that was a kickstarter bonus sketch/non-canon? esp since i remember sarah being next o her in that pic
omg shut up /jk
(It’s not just me…? That makes me feel better about it, I think?)
Danny (or possibly Rich Mullins) inexplicably appears in the background playing ’70s slap bass riffs. ‘Do wacka wacka wacka’
But honestly Dorothy, this is just wrong. Respect other peoples boundaries for hecks sake.
oh.
oh ok.
huh.
holy hell Dorothy. for so many reasons but chief among them is that you think railroading your friend with religious and sexual trauma into masturbating with you is a good idea (!?)
I was horrified when I was only at panel 3, thinking it was ‘just’ that Dorothy was micromanaging Joyce and her health to the point of trying to tell her when to pee
yeah, but on the other hand, she’s not wrong that masturbation shouldn’t cause or lead to shame, should be an option if Joyce wants it, and might help fight off the hormone tide so she doesn’t make misguided decisions that will FURTHER traumatize her. dunno how she’s gonna approach it either, so I don’t think she necessarily means “with” her or in front of her or anything. just convincing Joyce to sit down and listen and teaching her WHAT to do once in private. *probably* with diagrams;; she’s Dorothy after all.
I certainly hope so (that it’s just a lesson and maybe giving Joyce some resources), but I don’t really trust Dorothy’s judgment right now
also as the best friend of somebody that had religious and sexual trauma, as a child even:
a common consequence of a person being abused or traumatized in that way, is repression and intense, all-consuming shame at being a person who has certain…desires and/or needs. yet, at the same time paradoxically, seeing an increase in that desire or need possibly, becoming fixated on it, and other types of obsession-y psychological nitty gritty like that.
remember: Joyce was lusting for Ethan once and had a dream of sexy Ken doll Ethan, asking him to “rub [his] thingy on [her] tummy” and then seeing him morph into Ryan. then wake up in a panic attack. this is a hallmark victim-of-abuse signifier that Joyce’s not-actually-new repressed lust is 1) having a resurgence from her hormones and age range, 2) is becoming confused with the trauma, and 3) she can’t not NOT think about it either.
so basically, Dotty is ACTUALLY trying to give her a new coping tool or mechanism…but it’s REALLY awkward, a trained therapist should be doing it, and neither of them probably wants Dotty to fill in for one. (also, Dorothy isn’t going to do as well at it as she hopes she will, because she’s a flawed untrained amateur.)
I think you’re right about a lot of this, especially the very last bit, but I’m not convinced this is how or why Dorothy’s going to go about it. Considering the context of the last couple (in comic) days, I think it’s more about “Joyce needs to learn to jack it so she doesn’t fuck Joe specifically” rather than “Joyce needs to learn this for coping and also to understand her body”
Joyce might then also think if I do this and it feels this good maybe if someone else, someone like Joe, does it then maybe it will feel even better
I mean that was definitely my experience (and I was right (for me))
Your first experience was with Joe? (Kidding)
…..someone needs to do this for Joyce, but I don’t know if either of them want it to be Dotty, and I’m questioning her intended lesson plan. you COULD shove a book at her, watch her read it, then leave so she can experiment on her own time.
but I do look forward to Dotty needing to convince Joyce why this is needed, and why it’s healthy to masturbate and know sex ed stuff. because Dorothy is ultimately right that Joyce should know how **even if she doesn’t want to** and be told it isn’t shameful and be allowed to work on accepting those truths.
but.
this is also gonna be awkward AND hilarious, two of my FAVORITE things in dumbing of age. (picture the “well mark me down as scared AND horny” meme.)
oh cool my new icon as of the latest shifting aorund of them is hot emogoth angst edition™ ethan. I like goths (big tiddy or not, male or female) so. NICE.
if this really is about joe this is actually far worse than I imagined dorothy handling things
on the scale of talking things through with your friend to yelling apparent non-sequiturs at them, I think we’ve potentially reached statements that don’t even follow the law, depending on how strict indiana is about that kind of thing
Best. Day. Ever!
Like what I said to hundreds of people, “this better not awaken anything in me”
…nice statement tank top, Dorothy
Dorothy, you’re being Billie. Stop being Billie.
Well the role is empty right now. Someone’s gotta fill it.
Think I misheard you there Yoto, was that something about “filling” and “Billie” in close proximity to each other?
Time for a training montage.
♫♪ We’re going to need a montage (montage) ♪♪
♫ Ooh it takes a montage (montage) ♪♫
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFrMLRQIT_k
I think someone was looking for this.
https://itswalky.tumblr.com/image/26046405101
A hero.
Is this a thing female friends do together?
Like I’ve watched porn with friends but no one started jacking it in front of everyone because that would be considered a major social faux pas
So what do you do? Discuss the character motivations?
Mostly make general comments about the performance of the actors and talk shit
i mean i’d probably want some distance but but if a roommate really wanted to do it/was pent up and i wasn’t available to go anywhere else i woudln’t stop them
Well this would make me viscerally uncomfortable.
Somewhere, Doctor Strange is still using the Time Stone looking for a timeline where THIS ends well.
Clearly it’s this one, where we get to watch this unfold.
Holy shit Willis, this is masterful
Wow, this is going to get awkward.
If I had just taken a drink I would have spit take. I was not expecting that last panel. Are we on Slipshine?
I.
What.
“Dumbing of Age” more like “Coming of Age”… wait that’s just the original phrase
Haha lovely. that’s kind of a.. reverse pun? A pun ouroboros? A 69 pun perhaps ^^
An undone pun.
Unpun, if you will.
Cumming of age
I came here to say exactly this.
Uh what? Why? How? WHAT?
You know what, scratch the “how?” part, I do not want to know.
First, you get an alphabetized 3-ring binder for notes…
Well…I suppose that’s one way to approach it.
I feel like there are multiple reasons that Dorothy could be doing this but none of them are good.
Okay, I am asking as a guy (cis) and I didn’t need anyone to tell me how to do it. Kind of easy to figure it yourself when there is a direct reward feedback system when you are doing it right.
Is it different for the female genital?
Yeah, there’s different sensitivity ranges for people. Some really like direct stimulation, so to speak, while some find it uncomfortable and are more indirect. Some like insertion, some ride pillows or otherwise get off without it. Vibrators are sought by many, but like the first thing, some find it uncomfortable. There’s a variety of tastes.
Penis-having folks have some variety, too, in approaches, but it’s usually permutations of the same sort of thing, or variables like prostate stimulation being something some do and others don’t. It doesn’t seem typically as varied.
Yeah it can be *significantly* more complicated for us. More variables and what works is not necessarily consistent across the board (and not just matter of “different people like different things better, what literally *works* for one will produce no positive sensation for another). We also often don’t immediately get positive feedback, for some it has to build or requires focus/concentration. It can take a lot more time to figure out what works and what doesn’t.
And it’s further complicated by the fact that the mechanisms usually involved in human reproduction do *not* result in climax for like 60% of women, and American sex ed for women is generally focused on periods and preventing pregnancy rather than actually understanding our anatomy.
Sorry, wasn’t sure of the preferred content rating for this comments section so I was trying to avoid being too explicit but hopefully that gives a brief intro of the issues at least.
I think your tone was perfectly fine. Thanks for the infodump.
As an afab i figured it out pretty instinctively as well. But i think when you reach Joyce’s level of repression you need a little help. Not like this of course but, yknow
Well, now we know what the next Slipshine will be …
Dorothy no.
No, Dorothy.
No.
No, Joyce, NO!
I beg you, don’t cast your body into the cragged shame pits of the lustwolves©!!
That sounds like it could be a book title!
Ah, so the Joyce/Dorothy shippers can finally have their heyday.
Seriously, I doubt it. In spite of the many people trying to impose their boundaries on Joyce and Dorothy, they do have their own boundaries. People, even cartoon people, don’t usually change who they are on a dime.
nah, Willis is trolling us, I’m feeling it
My thought about the before is you don’t wanna pee during sexual activity. As to the why? Talking to Walky got Dorothy hot and bothered, and this is an outlet that feels acceptable for her. I am curious how Joyce chooses to respond (after she cleans up said pee.)
Of course, there could be a tragic backstory lurking around for all I know.
jeez, dorothy, at least take her out to taco bell first!
Nice try, Willis.
I know this is a one-day setup, and tomorrow Joyce will bash Dorothy aways. I’m a grumpy old adult and I know hope is a bongo sentiment.
W H A T
lmao baby steps were thrown out the window
Along with the bathwater of avoiding mixed metaphors!
How did we go from Walky asking for advice to this?
Maybe Walky’s Elliot reference made her think of it? Since there’s an Elliot-centric storyline in that show about this very thing also.
Heyyyy 2 Scrubs references in one week. XD I wonder if Walky’s joke gave her the idea.
Not sure if this one was intentional but there was definitely an episode where Elliot gets this same guidance from Carla re: laundry day.
Totally healthy way to deal with your ex saying he’s in love with his new girlfriend, getting your prudish best friend to masturbate with you.
Fuck it, may as well.
What else are you gonna do????
Eat cereal with Riley? Maybe get Carla to fund bottom surgery for a poor transgirl?? Aw come on spellcheck, transgirl is a perfectly cromulent word.
“Joyce, I need you to use the bathroom, and rinse your privates real good while you’re in there.”
“Seems reasonable, if a bit odd. What’s the occasion?’
“I’m gonna teach you how to perform cunnilingus.”
“Phew! I thought you were gonna say you wanted to teach me how to play my own fiddle.”
I’m not 100% convinced that Dotty plans for them to go sit on the washers (though I’m also not denying it), but on this note I’ve never heard of anyone in real life enjoying that? I’ve only heard of a handful of people that bothered trying, admittedly. I technically have but it wasn’t to jack it, it was because it was a very violent washer and we were timing how long we could stay on it (like a bucking bronco), and I think we might have been standing up.
*bull riding, not broncos
To be fair, bucking bronco is a similar sentiment. It’s just a horse instead of a bull who is angry and determined to unseat you with violent force.
I wasn’t sure if broncos were scored by time or not so I wanted to play it safe
Bulls and broncos are basically the same thing, anyway. They’re both waterfowl, not a lot of need for distinctions.
And both of them you have to stay on for 8 seconds to get a score.
Thanks this was what I needed to know lol
I feel like I understand exactly how we got here, and I know Joyce needs sex ed, but the implication that this gonna be a hands-on lesson makes it seem like Dorothy is spiraling and making impulsive decisions, not that she’s sure this is the best thing for Joyce’s well-being.
In hindsight, Dorothy’s had an odd amount of interest in Joyce’s sexual activity for a while now. Like that time she told Joyce to go buy lube for reasons I’ve forgotten and can’t be arsed to look up.
I think….Joyce was being annoying with Dorothy’s relationship or sex life or something
And Dorothy said something like im not having this conversation with you unless you show me a receipt for lube
Which at the time was basically like saying when pigs fly or hell freezes over
More about the thing with Jacob actually.
I really do think Dorothy might be on the worst downward spiral of all of these. It reminds me of Brene Brown’s TED Talk on vlnerablity, where she was obsessed with categorising things and perfection, and hated ‘wishy washy’ stuff, so she studied it and at the root of it… found wishy washy emotion, and had a complete nervous breakdown.
Is Joyce at some point going to slip and breathlessly say “Doris!”?
I’d be okay with a Slipshine of this story. So long as nobody yells, “Hahn” when they’re experiencing their waves of feel-goods.
I’ve got a buddy named Hahn, and he just finds it awkward when the characters yell his name while climaxing.
Your buddy’s just a really good lover. He’s just camera shy
I’m also considering where Dorothy will be inside of 30 years from now, speaking to the nation during her State of the Union address…
“I’d like to discuss the budget, but first, will all Senators in the room please drop your pants…”
WTF?
Why? And No.
I’m as concerned as everyone else here, but willing to pause judgement on what Dorothy is actually planning for now. She might just be planning to say “These are some tools, they can be used as demonstrated in these diagrams, not everything works for everyone, do you have any questions?”
I do think this is spurred on by her wanting to guard Joyce from Joe though, and that is not great. I see a little bit of a parallel with Sarah here, who did “the right thing” in sending her previous roomie home (she was destructive and hurting Sarah through that), but that might not actually have been the thing that her former roomie wanted.
If that’s all she was doing, the line “Definitely go pee” wouldn’t make very much sense.
Yeah, it is worrying, but maybe she just thinks it’ll take a long time or she’s trying to introduce the topic of why anyone would want to pee first?
Does seem unlikely, but who knows.
I’m gonna go ahead and buy me some SlipShine stock now…
Maybe I’m putting too much faith into Dorothy, but her intent might be more along the lines of “You wanna date Joe? Fine, But he’s into sex, and you gotta know at least what that is.”
Not saying that this is the right approach tho
Personally I interpreted it as “You are just horny, let’s do something about that.”
This feels like it’s overreaching a huge fucking amount.
Yeah, she might need help getting over her repression, but this is… too much.
Agreed entirely. It seems like Dorothy’s way overstepping her bounds because part “boys only want one thing” panic and part some sort of anger over her Walky situation.
Overall this seems like a Dorothy problem that she’s using Joyce as an outlet for.
I can’t wait to see the Slipshine of this.
like… on one hand (lol) I definitely could have used some instructions, but on the other hand I’d have been MORTIFIED at someone actually telling me in person.
I kind of wish a Good Friend had taught me to Masturbate.
What a bonding experience that would have been.
What a positive framing of my own sexuality.
Instead of alone, in the dark, hoping I wasn’t heard…
If this leads to the next slip shine I fully endorse it.
But seriously. This isn’t the worst idea. Maybe Dorothy is trying to think outside the box so to speak. Taking care of business is a good stress reliever. And while Dorothy may not like Joe it’s better that Joyce knows what’s going on with her body or she and Joe may have a bad time in the bedroom.
Yeah no, it’s definitely the worst idea.
This is a boundary breach on Dorothy’s part on a massive scale, and quite frankly one that i’d never have expected her to actually make.
Whether or not Joyce masturbates is her business, and her business only. She doesn’t need to be “taught”to do it by anybody. OFFERING to help teach her what to do is one thing, but just straight up going “i’mma teach you to masturbate now” is very presumptious and shows how controlling Dorothy is.
She doesn’t see Joyce as equal, she sees her as someone who needs to be “fixed”, and she sees herself as the person who’s going to fix her. It’s all well meaning in a way, but she’s still way out of line and it shows that she doesn’t think very highly of Joyce. If she did then she wouldn’t be trying to meddle in Joyce’s life as much as she is. She’d trust that Joyce would figure things out on her own, in her own time.
Agreed that this is absolutely the worst idea, perhaps the worst idea anyone in this comic has made, ever.
But I don’t think it’s even really about Joyce—although that may be wore, depending on your outlook. I think the actions Dorothy takes to control her life are a form of self-destructive behavior, like drinking or overeating or smoking, and this we are watching the equivalent of her taking a swig straight from a vodka bottle after having to advise her ex about his love life.
That’s the vibe I’m getting as well.
Wow, very insightful.
Makes sense, lose control in one area so try to regain it in another
well now, this is not what i expected.
Wait, Dorothy, did not Joyce just tell everyone to get out of her business, like, an hour ago? In the clearest possible terms?
Well yes but…
Uh…
Well I’m sure she’ll think of something
Call me old fashioned, but don’t people just find an old copy of “The Joy of Sex” at the library anymore?
That doesn’t seem like it’d fit well! (ba dum tssh)
The Joy(ce) of Sex