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July 11, 2026

Extremely positive

by David M Willis on May 1, 2023 at 12:01 am
  • 03 – Joementum
└ Tags: danny, sal

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  1. Ana Chronistic
    Ana Chronistic
    May 1, 2023 at 12:03 am | #

    “If you have to ask, you’ll never know”

    …is that it

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      May 1, 2023 at 2:20 am | #

      OT Reminder of those who got us here.
      It is International Labour Day. When the rest of Earth commemorates the US tragedy of the Haymarket Massacre that happened in Chicago.

      • sonofevil
        sonofevil
        May 1, 2023 at 5:18 am | #

        We should do this every day.

      • jflb96
        jflb96
        May 1, 2023 at 5:31 am | #

        Well, sets aside a day for workers in the same way that you’re vaguely nicer to your ma one day a year, on a day that was originally chosen to commemorate a strike and/or align with a previous holiday

        • Daibhid C
          Daibhid C
          May 1, 2023 at 6:50 am | #

          Wait, nobody’s done “Sal is saying Danny will only know they’re having sex once it’s happening, that is not enthusastic consent” yet?

          • Daibhid C
            Daibhid C
            May 1, 2023 at 6:51 am | #

            That was not meant to be a reply. I reloaded the page twice so it wouldn’t be a reply.

        • Tobbun
          Tobbun
          May 1, 2023 at 1:16 pm | #

          Labor day in Norway is a full on holiday, day off from work, red day in the calendar and everything.

        • LadyIslay
          LadyIslay
          May 2, 2023 at 12:14 am | #

          I’m taking my shop steward training tomorrow. ❤

          • Dave the Inverted
            Dave the Inverted
            May 2, 2023 at 4:38 am | #

            Congratulations!

      • Kaiyalai
        Kaiyalai
        May 1, 2023 at 10:45 am | #

        Thanks for the reminder of International Labour Day!
        It’s also the beginning of Mental Health Awareness Month!

      • someone
        someone
        May 1, 2023 at 1:08 pm | #

        The Haymarket massacre was on May 4. The date of May 1 was suggested by the American Federation of Labor, at the International Socialist Congress of Paris, 1889, to commemorate the beginning of the strike that ended up with the massacre, but not the massacre in itself.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 1, 2023 at 6:08 pm | #

          This is the first I’ve ever heard of said massacre. I’ve always just known Labor Day as “that day you’re not supposed to wear white after, for some reason”.

          • Ana Chronistic
            Ana Chronistic
            May 1, 2023 at 11:55 pm | #

            bc arbitrary rules to weed out the nouveau riche from the “in groups”

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        May 1, 2023 at 3:48 pm | #

        It’s metric Labor Day. Just like metric Pi Day is 22nd of July.

        • Decidedly Orthogonal
          Decidedly Orthogonal
          May 3, 2023 at 2:44 am | #

          What is 7.22? If anything, metric Pi would be Tau (6.28)!

    • Clif
      Clif
      May 1, 2023 at 2:21 am | #

      It’s nice of Sal to give fair warning.

  2. FaerwenOfValenwood
    FaerwenOfValenwood
    May 1, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    I continue to love Sal because Sal continues to be delightful

  3. True Survivor
    True Survivor
    May 1, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Sal is on edge.

    • morleuca
      morleuca
      May 1, 2023 at 12:14 am | #

      Sal is on a ledge

      • cbwroses
        cbwroses
        May 1, 2023 at 12:31 am | #

        Sal is on the cusp of making a sexual pledge.

        • Leorale
          Leorale
          May 1, 2023 at 12:52 am | #

          Sal won’t make a schedj…ule. A schedule.

          • Dana
            Dana
            May 1, 2023 at 1:44 am | #

            Is Sal in danger of falling on a hedge?

            • Clif
              Clif
              May 1, 2023 at 3:42 am | #

              So we alledge.

    • Andy Low
      Andy Low
      May 1, 2023 at 1:24 pm | #

      You’ve heard of Sal on a Ledge…

  4. Jamie
    Jamie
    May 1, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Sal’s voyage of self-discovery is truly a thing to behold.

    • Jamie
      Jamie
      May 1, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

      Oh no, the gravatars have changed.

      • Radiance
        Radiance
        May 1, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

        I was about to say. I want my cute Joyce gravatar back! Or whoever I was last time I posted here.

        • BarerMender
          BarerMender
          May 1, 2023 at 12:19 am | #

          Right? Give me back Ruth.

          • ANeM
            ANeM
            May 1, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

            Once again the only winning move is to have set a custom gravatar like 10 years back and not know how to change it.

            • Drew Hargrave
              Drew Hargrave
              May 1, 2023 at 5:11 am | #

              Literally same hat

            • Smallmoon
              Smallmoon
              May 1, 2023 at 8:20 am | #

              For what it’s worth, you go to Gravatar.com and sign in to set a new custom gravatar.

              • Needfuldoer
                Needfuldoer
                May 1, 2023 at 10:29 am | #

                Yeah, but then you have to sign up for something.

                • not someone else
                  not someone else
                  May 1, 2023 at 12:02 pm | #

                  The bane of the internet.

                • Taffy
                  Taffy
                  May 1, 2023 at 12:35 pm | #

                  Now that you mention it, can we normalise not signing up for something every time we wanna do anything? Every fucking website I go to now, it’s “Sign up for this” and “give us your email address so we can send you coupons you won’t use”. I’m sick of signing up for things that don’t remotely require it.

                • Ana Chronistic
                  Ana Chronistic
                  May 1, 2023 at 11:57 pm | #

                  that’s why you use a burner e-mail that you have and can access but otherwise never use

        • tunasammich
          tunasammich
          May 1, 2023 at 1:32 am | #

          I wasn’t too hot on the one I had, excited to see the new one

        • Decidedly Orthogonal
          Decidedly Orthogonal
          May 1, 2023 at 2:12 am | #

          There’s a full write-up on Grav Roulette on Walkypedia.

          • Clif
            Clif
            May 1, 2023 at 2:24 am | #

            Truly a public service.

          • Los
            Los
            May 1, 2023 at 8:53 am | #

            So i guess the real question is? What did willis add?

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              May 1, 2023 at 10:27 am | #

              Charlie

      • Kyrik Michalowski
        Kyrik Michalowski
        May 1, 2023 at 12:28 am | #

        I was able to get my Sal gravatar back pretty quickly; just have faith in Willis and I’m sure you’ll find your appropriate gravatar.

        • Clif
          Clif
          May 1, 2023 at 2:26 am | #

          Sure. Rub it in.

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        May 1, 2023 at 2:14 am | #

        It had been a while, hadn’t it

      • Spacey
        Spacey
        May 1, 2023 at 6:39 am | #

        Oh man am I no longer Sal?

        • Spacey
          Spacey
          May 1, 2023 at 6:41 am | #

          Oh I’m a cool Joyce.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        May 1, 2023 at 6:54 am | #

        Just keep re-rolling Gravatar Roulette. You’ll find your favorite again eventually!

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      May 1, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

      Sounds like she also wants to discover Danny’s Self.

  5. Radiance
    Radiance
    May 1, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    “Ah’ve pounced folks at the drop of a hat” found the problem, just throw the hat out the window and go to town.

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      May 1, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

      Danny probably glued that thing to his head by this point.

      • Clif
        Clif
        May 1, 2023 at 2:28 am | #

        We can’t have it blowing away in the wind.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          May 1, 2023 at 10:31 am | #

          Not again.

  6. UrsulaDavina
    UrsulaDavina
    May 1, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

    Aww she likes him.

  7. shadowcell
    shadowcell
    May 1, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    Dumbing of Age Book 13: WHY AIN’T WE FUCKED YET?!

    • Clif
      Clif
      May 1, 2023 at 2:29 am | #

      And we have a winner.

      • Clif
        Clif
        May 1, 2023 at 2:36 am | #

        Wait! Who is this? I don’t recognize this avatar.

        Is it Flat Top from Dick Tracy?

        • Clif
          Clif
          May 1, 2023 at 3:33 am | #

          Hm. Lucy’s brother maybe? I’ll have to go back and check.

        • Sparda
          Sparda
          May 1, 2023 at 6:15 am | #

          According to the image url, it’s Lyle.

          • LiterallyJustSomeGuy
            LiterallyJustSomeGuy
            May 1, 2023 at 9:46 am | #

            Yes, that is Lucy’s brother, Lyle.

    • Kaiyalai
      Kaiyalai
      May 1, 2023 at 10:44 am | #

      Dumbing of Age Pornographique Book One

  8. bootshivers
    bootshivers
    May 1, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    bless you danny

  9. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    May 1, 2023 at 12:06 am | #

    That’s a sledgehammer of a scene change

    • Clif
      Clif
      May 1, 2023 at 2:38 am | #

      Got your attention, didn’t it?

  10. Dara
    Dara
    May 1, 2023 at 12:07 am | #

    That’s not a bad face for Wonderbread there in panel 2, gotta admit

  11. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    May 1, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    That is such a wonderful first panel.

    Also, I loved the alt-text, that got a big laugh out of me.

    • Straximus
      Straximus
      May 1, 2023 at 1:21 am | #

      I too had an Extremely Positive reaction.

  12. EAG46
    EAG46
    May 1, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    For heaven’s sake Sal, let this relationship breathe. Danny’s a sweet and gentle soul. Like you said, let *him* figure out when. And make sure there’s protection.

    • EAG46
      EAG46
      May 1, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

      Neat! I got Booster instead of Robin this time! 🙂

    • Caspar Mulders
      Caspar Mulders
      May 1, 2023 at 1:32 am | #

      Considering Sal’s tone in this particular strip, would “protection” mean a couple of body guards?

      • Decidedly Orthogonal
        Decidedly Orthogonal
        May 1, 2023 at 2:14 am | #

        Motor cycle helmets and riding leathers.

        • GholaHalleck
          GholaHalleck
          May 1, 2023 at 12:00 pm | #

          you joke but that boy’s liable to get double head trauma out of this experience.

          • Jon
            Jon
            May 1, 2023 at 1:26 pm | #

            Worth it, though.

            • Opus the Poet
              Opus the Poet
              May 1, 2023 at 3:18 pm | #

              Just saying, I had double head trauma when I was hit riding my bicycle and had a bicycle seat shoved from between my legs at about 60 MPH followed by my hip and head hitting the truck. Not fun. Doubleplus unfun.

      • Wizard
        Wizard
        May 1, 2023 at 7:15 am | #

        Possibly an airbag directly under the window.

    • TheStranger
      TheStranger
      May 1, 2023 at 1:57 am | #

      Sorry for the oopsie-flag.

      Danny doesn’t much seem to care. “You want to? Works for me. No? Cool, whenever things change, lmk.”

    • zee
      zee
      May 1, 2023 at 12:55 pm | #

      No, let them fuck now

      I wanna see

  13. Speedball
    Speedball
    May 1, 2023 at 12:08 am | #

    They’re making progress! No rocks yet!

  14. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    May 1, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

    The worst fear of Sal is to be self-conscious.

  15. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    May 1, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

    I don’t know Sal? Why Ain’t ya fucked yet!? If it’s spontaneous, it seems like you’ve got a bit more control over that.

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 1, 2023 at 12:14 am | #

      https://youtu.be/vXf7zzbApMg (30 rock scene)

      Scheduling can be pretty fun ;P Sal was aware she chose a King/Empower Dorkus
      https://www.dumbingofage.com/2022/comic/book-13/01-bring-me-to-life-drawing/adork/

    • Nono
      Nono
      May 1, 2023 at 3:08 am | #

      Sounds like she’s been marinating on the high from flowers and Dannyness to think about sex.

      • GholaHalleck
        GholaHalleck
        May 1, 2023 at 12:01 pm | #

        The pollen in the flowers triggered her flight or fuck response.

      • Dr. T
        Dr. T
        May 1, 2023 at 1:38 pm | #

        Nah, this is from her interactions with her roommate and Lucy.

        Also, it’s been a week. I didn’t date much before getting married but not boning in the first week isn’t a problem. Hell, Sal didn’t have a problem until 5 minutes ago.

  16. Wack'd
    Wack'd
    May 1, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

    Sal:

    Why ain’t we fucked yet?

    …

    Why am ah askin’ you?

    • Mark
      Mark
      May 1, 2023 at 7:22 am | #

      Because Billie already tried that approach and it didn’t work?

  17. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    May 1, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

    Oh hey, it’s May now

    …I should have known that. Huh.

    • Decidedly Orthogonal
      Decidedly Orthogonal
      May 1, 2023 at 2:25 am | #

      It’s not just May; it is Labour Day (the real one).

      • Clif
        Clif
        May 1, 2023 at 2:44 am | #

        Almost Starwar’s Day.

        • Needfuldoer
          Needfuldoer
          May 1, 2023 at 7:48 am | #

          And the day after that is First Contact Day!

      • wwwhhattt
        wwwhhattt
        May 1, 2023 at 6:58 am | #

        May Day! Which is not a holiday where I am 🙁

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        May 1, 2023 at 7:02 am | #

        Todaybourday is Labour Day!

      • Amós Batista
        Amós Batista
        May 1, 2023 at 10:44 am | #

        for those who are outside USA

    • Jon
      Jon
      May 1, 2023 at 1:27 pm | #

      First of May, First of May,
      Outdoor fucking starts today,
      So bring your favorite lady,
      Or at least your favorite lay!

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      May 1, 2023 at 3:41 pm | #

      Happy Beltain, now go celebrate the Great Rite. 😆

  18. jeffepp
    jeffepp
    May 1, 2023 at 12:09 am | #

    So, Sal, why haven’t you?

  19. Dana
    Dana
    May 1, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

    Why is this so adorable?

  20. Reaver
    Reaver
    May 1, 2023 at 12:10 am | #

    I’m scareroused…o_o

    • Clif
      Clif
      May 1, 2023 at 2:46 am | #

      You should be.

  21. EmTaya
    EmTaya
    May 1, 2023 at 12:11 am | #

    a) love Danny’s face in the second panel
    b) just spent the last two weeks binging (bingeing? binge-ing?) the entirety of this webcomic and the drop from reading hundreds of strips a day to one has been jarring to say the least

  22. Cauchemar
    Cauchemar
    May 1, 2023 at 12:14 am | #

    “I’m spontaneous and out of control”

    Yeah, if you turn it into a brand it becomes neither. 😀

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 1, 2023 at 12:15 am | #

      i mean, live your life how you want, but that kinda sounds risky, unless you’re /just/ a notch under spontaneous to where you’d have condoms on hand, versus sal already being on the pill as well

      • GholaHalleck
        GholaHalleck
        May 1, 2023 at 12:29 pm | #

        Danny starts wearing a condom bandolier like Rambo. Roz co-ops the look for a safe-sex vigilante.

        • Opus the Poet
          Opus the Poet
          May 1, 2023 at 3:42 pm | #

          😆

    • Yotomoe
      Yotomoe
      May 1, 2023 at 12:26 am | #

      Chaos Control. Oh wait.

  23. HueSatLight
    HueSatLight
    May 1, 2023 at 12:15 am | #

    So glad this preview panel isn’t Sal confronting Danny over something terrible he’s done.

  24. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    May 1, 2023 at 12:15 am | #

    I’ll be honest, of the many cutaways I was expecting, this was not one of them.

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 1, 2023 at 12:18 am | #

      i did expect sal to attempt to have sex with danny before she talked to lucy again.

      now we’ll just have to see who goes first, danny and sal or walky/lucy lol

      • cbwroses
        cbwroses
        May 1, 2023 at 12:28 am | #

        What if both couples start having sex at the same time, and then, during the inevitable Slipshine, that’s when the twin telepathy actually kicks in?

        • BarerMender
          BarerMender
          May 1, 2023 at 12:48 am | #

          Ooh! Good idea! Bring it on, Mr. Willis.

          • Angel
            Angel
            May 1, 2023 at 7:57 pm | #

            and then the ending of them going into the hallway and exchanging looks with each other lol

  25. newlland(Henryvolt)
    newlland(Henryvolt)
    May 1, 2023 at 12:16 am | #

    Today is a day for a reddit post one that I think I’m proud of. A Sal song edition 🎶: https://www.reddit.com/r/dumbingofage/comments/134c7c0/guessing_what_i_think_is_on_some_of_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

    (It couldn’t be anymore perfect timing I got this one done the other day, also I kind of scrambled on the 3rd song and almost cheated by putting in “Hurt” by Johnny Cash)

  26. BarerMender
    BarerMender
    May 1, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

    Why? Well, for one thing, you insist on calling me Wonderbread, which I find racist and insulting. For another, yelling at me isn’t exactly conducive to romance. Try, you know, nibbling my ear, or something.

    • Kyrik Michalowski
      Kyrik Michalowski
      May 1, 2023 at 12:36 am | #

      I think Danny likes Sal calling him “Wonderbread” and accepts it since she is the only one who calls him that. His response to someone else calling him Wonderbread might not be as positive.

    • Derek
      Derek
      May 1, 2023 at 12:45 am | #

      you can’t be racist against white people, especially not in Indiana, USA; and especially not in the context of a mixed race girl calling a white guy white bread. It might be mean or rude, but it’s not fucking racist

      • BarerMender
        BarerMender
        May 1, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

        You can be racist against any race at all, anywhere at all. I’ve been around racist black people, and at least one racist Japanese.

        • milu
          milu
          May 1, 2023 at 1:01 am | #

          omg you’re defending yourself? Shut up please

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          May 1, 2023 at 1:14 am | #

          I actually agree, but that’s because I hate when people say “X group can’t be racist” because it feels like it lets them off the hook for being bigoted assholes.
          The fact of the matter is, anyone of any race can be discriminatory, unfair, and bigoted to people of any race, culture or ethnicity, even if they’re one that is benefiting from the system. And like…I get that it’s different to punch up than punch down but it is…and let me say it loudly.

          ALWAYS. SHITTY. TO. MAKE. SOMEONE. SHITTY. ABOUT. HOW. THEY. WERE. BORN.

          So when you say “She can’t be racist” do you mean “She’s allowed to treat him like shit because of her race” or do you mean “She’s not benefiting from systemic oppression.” cuz if it’s the former then maybe don’t waste your time defending casual bigotry, even if it’s “punching up.”

          • Yotomoe
            Yotomoe
            May 1, 2023 at 1:20 am | #

            I’m not saying that to say “wonderbread” is anything more than being playful. I’m just saying I don’t like people excusing bigotry cuz it’s “in the right direction”

          • Taffy
            Taffy
            May 1, 2023 at 1:22 am | #

            Y’know, this seems way more nuanced and interesting than my response. I like yours better.

          • milu
            milu
            May 1, 2023 at 1:37 am | #

            But no one said “x group can’t be racist” that’s BarerMender answering in bad faith. Everyone can be bigoted. Just not against the identity of those in power. Cos then it’s not bigotry anymore.

            • Yotomoe
              Yotomoe
              May 1, 2023 at 1:39 am | #

              Yeah it is. Treating anyone like shit for things beyond their control is bigoted. It doesn’t matter if they’re in power or not. If someone wronged you, then yeah treat them like shit. Just existing isn’t an excuse for abuse.

              • milu
                milu
                May 1, 2023 at 1:48 am | #

                But see, you do have control over what sorts of feelings you invest in your various identities.
                I maintain that i will make fun of anyone who is proud of being white. Because that’s a choice, just like being proud of being an aristocrat. And the reason i will make fun of them is very specific and clear: its because white pride (like male pride or straight pride) are inherently dangerous. People shouldn’t be proud of their privileges. We should be very suspicious if anyone who is.

                • milu
                  milu
                  May 1, 2023 at 1:51 am | #

                  People also don’t have to be ashamed of how they were born if this happens to put them in a position of privilege, mind. Just be graceful. It’s not that hard

                • Yotomoe
                  Yotomoe
                  May 1, 2023 at 1:54 am | #

                  I hate when people say “You have control over your feelings”. Maybe you can control how you react to those feelings but being treated badly hurts even if you choose to not take it personally.

                  We call those Microagressions.

                • milu
                  milu
                  May 1, 2023 at 2:13 am | #

                  Yeah, I’m bunting out of this conversation now. Hopefully calmer spirits will prevail.

                  Let me say this though, i honestly thought this would be an open and shut case. I’m uncomfortable at how mamy people are moving to defend “reverse racism”.

                • Yotomoe
                  Yotomoe
                  May 1, 2023 at 2:23 am | #

                  I don’t think anyone but you has used the term “reverse racism”. Except for me that one time in reference to you sing it.

                  I think there’s more nuance to the topic than you may have felt at first.

                • Clif
                  Clif
                  May 1, 2023 at 2:53 am | #

                  Personally I’m proud of having been born Lord High Pubah, Rightful Ruler of the Asmovian Spaces and All Lesser Orbs Therein.

                • Meagan
                  Meagan
                  May 4, 2023 at 1:09 am | #

                  People won’t only be hurt about generalizations or negative things said about their identity if they are proud of it. I’m not proud of being white, but I still feel hurt and uncomfortable if someone makes a stereotype or negative comment about me related to being white. For a while I bought into the idea that accepting that kind of stuff was just part of the deal if you wanted to change racism in society, but no longer. Basic mutual respect between all people is a must for any attempt to improve society.

                  Not that people don’t need a space to vent sometimes and make generalizations like, “all white people blah” or “all men blah.” But it should be clear that this is done within the context of venting, with people who’ve agreed to hold space for it.

            • Keulen
              Keulen
              May 1, 2023 at 1:45 am | #

              Doesn’t sound like BarerMender was answering in bad faith to me. I don’t know where you got that notion based on just the words they posted in one response to someone else.

          • Needfuldoer
            Needfuldoer
            May 1, 2023 at 7:05 am | #

            Yeah! Judging people based on inherent traits that are beyond their control is a shitty thing to do.

          • Jon
            Jon
            May 1, 2023 at 1:31 pm | #

            The classic formula is “Racism = Prejudice + Power”. You can be prejudiced toward anyone, sure. You can be a bigot in a thousand hateful little ways. But to be full-on, capital-R Racist, you need to have the societal power for your hatred to actually affect people. Nobody’s ever been dragged behind a truck and hung from a tree for whistling at a Black woman.

            • Sarah Lea
              Sarah Lea
              May 1, 2023 at 6:56 pm | #

              I’m just curious how this formula works compared to the meaning of racism I’d personally grew up understanding:
              racism = prejudice based on race, such as
              sexism = prejudice based on sex (in either direction, such as against male nurses, for instance)
              classism = prejudice based on class
              bigotry = prejudice based on anything that doesn’t form a convenient -ism.

              While capital-R Racism might be based on power, does that completely eliminate the existence of lowercase-r racism, that could exist independent of a power dynamic?

              Can a woman be sexist toward another woman? (or, for instance, some far right women who advocate for repealing women’s voting rights, or assume women are incapable of leadership)

              Can a man be sexist toward another man? (or is this solely toxic masculinity? Is toxic femininity a thing? Can both men and women express/perpetuate toxic masculinity and toxic femininity, or is it gender specific?)

              Can a white person be racist toward another white person? A black person racist toward another black person? What if a white person is racist toward an Asian…while in Japan, where they do not hold any power?

              I ask these things because I’m really genuinely curious, possibly slightly autistic, and a math person…so my brain really likes the idea of being able to construct a set of definitions and equations to help equitably figure these things out.

              But only a single formula “Racism = Prejudice + Power” to say “No black person could ever be racist against a white person, in any way whatsoever” just feels…incomplete. I need more understanding.

              My college didn’t have any gender studies programs to take, and most of what I’ve learned online through self-study has been…varied, and at times contradictory. So I’m always still trying to learn and understand more.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                May 1, 2023 at 11:06 pm | #

                To quote Stokely Carmichael from back in the day: “If a white man wants to lynch me, that’s his problem. If he’s got the power to lynch me, that’s my problem. Racism is not a question of attitude; it’s a question of power.

                “You cannot be a racist without power. You cannot be a sexist without power. Even men who beat their wives get this power from the society which allows it, condones it, encourages it.”

                That said, both women and black people can definitely participate in systemic sexism and racism. Women actually play a huge role in enforcing sexism – especially in raising children in ways that reinforce it. Consider Carol – the homophobia is more focused on, but the limits on Joyce are at least as much sexist.

              • Kreiger
                Kreiger
                May 2, 2023 at 12:44 am | #

                So when you’re looking at lowercase-r racism, it sounds like you’re talking about prejudice. It might make more sense to you to say that Prejudice+Action taken because of said Prejudice=Racism

                Hiring practices are a fantastic example of where prejudice and racism differ.

                If somebody doesnt like black people, they can choose not to sit next to them at the table or cross the street when they walk. That’s prejudice. If they specifically don’t hire black people, or throw away resumes with black-sounding names, that’s racism.

                Sexism is the same thing. If somebody doesn’t like hanging out with other women for whatever reason, that’s prejudice, but if somebody works in HR and intentionally only pushes forward the resumes of men for consideration, that’s Sexist.

                Etc, etc. I can give you examples for all of your questions.

                For the Black racist example, it works in the same way. If a black boss doesn’t interview “Ian” and does interview “Dwayne” solely based on the name and their perceived perceptions of what those names mean, that is Racist. Its STILL racist if “Dwayne” ended up being white and not being hired for that reason.

                It doesn’t have to be big massive POWER, like governmental or something, it can be as small as “I usually use my snowblower to clear the driveways of my neighbors but that black family moved in and I didn’t do their driveway” That’s racist, because prejudice+action based on prejudice = measurable harm or inconvenience to the party prejudiced against.

          • Hoboturtle
            Hoboturtle
            May 1, 2023 at 2:14 pm | #

            Well they didn’t say “black girls can’t be racist.” They said “you can’t be racist towards white people.”

            Those are very different statements. One is something entrenched in the individual while the other acknowledges context amongst race relations.

          • Derek
            Derek
            May 1, 2023 at 7:39 pm | #

            being shitty and being racist can intersect but they’re not the same thing (same principle as squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares). Calling a white person wonderbread is not racist in this context and I genuinely struggle to think of any context in which it would be genuinely racist.

        • Wendy
          Wendy
          May 1, 2023 at 12:19 pm | #

          Nah, Derek is right. If you’re gonna argue, explain first how Black people and even Japanese people are systemically oppressing white people in America.

      • Caspar Mulders
        Caspar Mulders
        May 1, 2023 at 1:40 am | #

        Derek, any time anyone treats anyone in a particular way *because of* their ethnicity, that is racist. No matter what the ethnicity of either party is. Don’t try to excuse racism from anyone who isn’t white just because white people have an awful track record of racism.

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          May 1, 2023 at 1:55 am | #

          +1

          • Meagan
            Meagan
            May 4, 2023 at 1:10 am | #

            +1 as well

        • GholaHalleck
          GholaHalleck
          May 1, 2023 at 12:35 pm | #

          the “it doesn’t count against the privileged” was added in to make people feel better about their own racism. And it’s an entirely American-centric viewpoint, because you never see people parading this version of racism around when it comes to any other place on the planet but the US.

          • Yotomoe
            Yotomoe
            May 1, 2023 at 1:12 pm | #

            Yeah if I went to china or Japan it wouldn’t suddenly be ok to throw out slurs or display racial bias towards asians just because they’re the majority there. I wish acknowledging your own bias wasn’t treated the same as “denying systemic racisms generational effect on how people survive in this country” as if both cant be true.

            My concern is why people are saying black people cannot be racist. And when its as a way to defend someone from their own willfully shitty behavior I find it doing more harm than good.

            • Meagan
              Meagan
              May 4, 2023 at 1:13 am | #

              Excellent point about not going to another country and being rude to people just because they are the dominating demographic.

              I really appreciate everything you said in those conversation, Yotomoe. This is the kind of interpersonal solidarity I believe we need to also have political solidarity. I also just think your viewpoint is very down to earth in terms of how regular everyday people want and need to interact with other to form healthy human bonds.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            May 1, 2023 at 2:58 pm | #

            But that was generally because in the past deeply racist times, someone from an oppressed group being openly racist towards the privileged group would find themselves lynched.
            Back in slavery days or even Jim Crow, of course black people were prejudiced against whites. What’s the alternative?
            It’s only in recent times when it’s starting to be safe to express such ideas, that it even comes up for debate. No one 50 years ago would even have considered the idea of racism being personal, not systemic.

          • Hoboturtle
            Hoboturtle
            May 2, 2023 at 8:18 am | #

            I would argue this is a global thing. China has a high demand for white workers. South Korea uses white people as a standard of beauty. South Africa has a white minority with a lot of power.

        • Hoboturtle
          Hoboturtle
          May 1, 2023 at 2:19 pm | #

          Not really. There are very obvious racial observations that are racist and others that aren’t.

          This isn’t even something excuse to white people.

          For example if someone was to call a black kid a monkey that would be racist but if they called a black kid a chipmunk, not including any context I might not be aware of, that wouldn’t be racist.

          There endless examples you can make.

          Black people love grape soda vs asian people love grape soda.

          Jewish people are wealthy vs native Americans are wealthy.

          Asian people talk funny vs white people talk funny.

          • Meagan
            Meagan
            May 4, 2023 at 1:18 am | #

            Context matters, here too though. Like a while ago there was this whole conversation in the comments about whether Joyce was being racist for saying she was a monkey…or a dumb monkey or something. It had nothing to do with race at all, it was about her accepting evolution instead of creationism.

            Someone could be talking about being a monkey in that context and even apply it to a black person, because they are applying it to *any* human, and it wouldn’t be racist. It’s just a colloquial turn of phrase about our evolution, where monkey is being used as a synonym with primate.

            Some people try to argue for using a word at all even if it *reminds* them of it being used in a negative context – but then we just need new words to describe those things, and they will also take on negative connotations. I remember a while back it being a trend to call Donald Trump “45” as in the 45th POTUS. After being around people doing this for a little while, I noticed that when I saw the number 45 in a totally neutral context, I had a negative emotional reaction. I stopped participating in that trend abruptly at that point and argued against it to other people. No thanks to spreading the negative feelings about Trump to other words and concepts – let’s keep that shit contained. Just like let’s keep negative racist connotations of words contained to when they actually apply in context, rather than spreading them out to other usages by association.

        • Derek
          Derek
          May 1, 2023 at 7:53 pm | #

          No sir or ma’am or gentleperson; recent and current political events, including protests precipitated by continued police brutality that’s pointedly anti-black have made it necessary to have a more specific formal definition of racism and Jon posted it up in the thread: “Racism = Prejudice + Power”.

          One can’t be racist against white people in the USA as things currently stand. One could be mean, shitty, prejudiced, irrationally violent towards them; and those are all bad things. It’s not racism. It won’t be racism until there’s a system in place that makes it a lot harder for white people to get jobs, get housing, get married and a lot more common for them to get harassed and sometimes murdered for merely existing as visibly white in public spaces.

          • Madock345
            Madock345
            May 1, 2023 at 9:22 pm | #

            You cannot impose a new definition for a word on other people, that’s just not how language works. (You also shouldn’t be trying to impose the use of a formal definition into colloquial conversation in general- this is an internet forum and not an academic discourse, formal sociological definitions are jargon which are being misapplied here)

            This particular definition of racism isn’t wrong, it’s just one of a number of different ways that people use the word. Nearly every word has multiple definitions which we understand from context, artificially trying to limit this word to only one definition is a fool’s errand that will never work, because it opposes the natural process of language, and mistakes a descriptive definition for a proscriptive one.

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              May 1, 2023 at 11:08 pm | #

              This isn’t a new definition. It’s the old definition. No one back in the Jim Crow days would have talked about black people being racist to white folks. It doesn’t even make sense.

            • Meagan
              Meagan
              May 4, 2023 at 1:21 am | #

              A+. I wanted to say something similar but was reading this from my phone the other day. Trying to impose definitions and not understanding what someone means in context isn’t helpful to understanding each other. If it is clear from a conversation that by racism someone means “personal prejudice” and not “systemic racism,” just…move on, and continue communicating. It’s not that hard to understand, and trying to impose these definitions on people doesn’t seem to have actually reduced racism in society.

      • Keulen
        Keulen
        May 1, 2023 at 1:58 am | #

        You absolutely can be racist against any ethnicity, even if it’s the majority like whites in most of the US. Treating someone badly because of their ethnicity is racist. That’s pretty much the definition of racism.

        • Fred
          Fred
          May 1, 2023 at 2:47 am | #

          When I was younger, “isms” (Like Racism) meant institutions or systems of thought. But in the OED, 2004, “ism” added definitions about denigrating others or belief in the superiority of and specifically calling out sexism, racism, etc as examples. So words change what they mean over time in English, and this is an example right in front of us that for nearly 2 decades, ism does not mean institutions anymore. But change is hard, and there is no Word Police making sure you follow Dictionary Rules.

          • Clif
            Clif
            May 1, 2023 at 2:57 am | #

            This.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            May 1, 2023 at 8:05 am | #

            Which is amusing because the usual argument from the “reverse racism” types is the definition was always personal and only modern woke types tried to tie it to institutional power to protect black people from being called racist.

          • Keulen
            Keulen
            May 1, 2023 at 9:17 am | #

            I don’t think anybody in the comments here was saying that systemic racism doesn’t exist, we know that. But it’s also true that individual people can be racist against any ethnicity, including the majority ethnicity.

            • thejeff
              thejeff
              May 1, 2023 at 10:29 am | #

              It’s kind of that we use the same word to apply to two somewhat different concepts. And then racist trolls use that confusion to make it seem like “reverse racism” is the real problem.

              • Yotomoe
                Yotomoe
                May 1, 2023 at 10:49 am | #

                That’s why I never use terms like Reverse Racism. Being a dick is being a dick no matter who it’s against. Being a dick to someone you think “deserves it” or “won’t be hurt as much” by it doesn’t make you less of a dick. I don’t want to not call the people doing it out on it just because some people will use that in bad faith. Systemic Racism and person-to-person racism are as different as a Forest Fire or a fire on your stove. Both could kill you but it’s situational which one is more of a threat at the given moment and I think that nuance is important.

                My issue is mostly that whenever someone says something rude and someone calls them out on it we always get a lotta pushback to say “Nu-uh. That mean thing they just said or did wasn’t racism” without saying “But it was bigoted, fuck you” or “But we won’t tolerate it, leave.” It’s not ok to just excuse it just because it’s not “racism”. I feel like not calling it racism strikes people as “It’s not a big deal” or “people upset about it are bad people”. And that rubs me the wrong way.

                • thejeff
                  thejeff
                  May 1, 2023 at 2:44 pm | #

                  The general claim for reverse racism though is that it is systemic. That white people are the ones the system is prejudiced against.
                  The whole “Why isn’t there a White People’s Month?” argument.

                • Yotomoe
                  Yotomoe
                  May 1, 2023 at 3:24 pm | #

                  Yeah, that right there is just bullshit and should be called out as such.

      • Yumi
        Yumi
        May 1, 2023 at 6:19 am | #

        Well, I agree with what Derek said. I do think anyone can be racist, but I don’t think you can be racist against white people. You can be bigoted and prejudice against white people, and if you see someone being shitty to white people because of their race, you can tell them they’re being shitty. I don’t agree with calling it racism, though; if we acknowledge the experience of a group in power being mistreated is not equivalent to the mistreatment of those who don’t benefit from that power, why do we have to use an equivalent term for that mistreatment?

        So yeah, I do view racism as tied to systems/institutions. People can argue changing definitions (though that “ism” part seems a little weak), but then I have to wonder, who is leading the charge in those changing definitions? Who benefits from them changing? My experience has been with white people who want to position themselves as also being victims of racism; I’ve often seen it come up when POC are sharing their own experiences. It might be an attempt to express empathy or an attempt to escape the discomfort that one might benefit from racial privilege– but it generally misses the mark on being empathetic, and it’s okay for things to be uncomfortable.

        • cain
          cain
          May 1, 2023 at 7:22 am | #

          ^ this. Racism is systemic bigotry. White people don’t experience racism because they are not the victims of systemic bigotry. I’ve absolutely had people be shitty to me by judging me for being white, and as a white person, that can hurt! But that’s not racism IMO because it’s not contributing to the massive societal systems that promote white power. And in my experience, responding to their judgment with “hey don’t be racist” will usually end up with a whole bunch of other white people becoming very racist at the POC involved.

          • DrunkenNordmann
            DrunkenNordmann
            May 1, 2023 at 11:29 pm | #

            You’re thinking about systemic racism specifically.

        • Hoboturtle
          Hoboturtle
          May 1, 2023 at 2:21 pm | #

          I agree wholeheartedly with this.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      May 1, 2023 at 12:47 am | #

      If Danny has any issue with being called Wonderbread, maybe he should say so.

      • Clif
        Clif
        May 1, 2023 at 3:03 am | #

        Also this.

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        May 1, 2023 at 7:11 am | #

        He probably would have said so by now.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 1, 2023 at 12:47 am | #

      Is it racist to call a white person Wonderbread? Last time I asked something like that, the consensus seemed to be “No, white people can’t be the victim of racism when they’re the controlling majority.”

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        May 1, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

        Even if you could, wonderbread is not necessarily white bread. They have different kinds.

      • BarerMender
        BarerMender
        May 1, 2023 at 12:52 am | #

        Buh-loney.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 1, 2023 at 1:09 am | #

          Alright, we’ve got some Wonderbread, some balogna, we’re on our way to making a better-than-starving-to-death foldover.

          The idea that someone who’s not marginalised could be the victim of actual-factual racism, it’s kind of a stupid one. It just doesn’t make sense that the ones with the majority of power could be legitimately wronged or harmed by some seriously low-grade name calling. Granted, it’s better than calling him vanilla, because at least vanilla tastes like something.

      • Bittersweet
        Bittersweet
        May 1, 2023 at 12:56 am | #

        No, because wonderbread isn’t racial. It’s akin to calling someone boring or vanilla. The item happens to be white bread, that does not mean it exclusively refers to white people.

        Anybody of any race can be wonderbread if they have the excitement and daringness of wet cardboard!

        (Not hating on Danny here, I actually like him outside of a couple instances that make me go “Hmm.” I’ve just never heard wonderbread used to refer to a white person specifically for being white.)

        • DrunkenNordmann
          DrunkenNordmann
          May 1, 2023 at 7:05 am | #

          The most racist thing about wonderbread is that one guy who keeps bothering commission artists about it.

        • Caninse
          Caninse
          May 1, 2023 at 10:19 am | #

          Yeah, I’ve never read wonderbread as racially based. I just read it in the same way as the term milquetoast. Danny doesn’t have much that makes anyone upset, doesn’t really get in anyone’s way, doesn’t have as “flavor,” to put it in food terms. Much like Wonder Bread. There’s nothing racial about it. It just means someone who isn’t aggressive and is kind of a pushover, which Danny really tends to be.

      • milu
        milu
        May 1, 2023 at 1:05 am | #

        Can you feel like people are being racist against you if you’re white?
        For sure!!!
        …If you’re proud of being white.
        Which you deserve to be relentlessly mocked and/or insulted for.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 1, 2023 at 1:10 am | #

          Oooooh, you went theeere, oooooooh~ 👻

        • Yotomoe
          Yotomoe
          May 1, 2023 at 1:16 am | #

          I hate this mentality, honestly. I was born black. I have no reason to be proud of it. I did nothing to earn it. I live in the suburbs, I watch anime. I don’t get pulled over or treated like garbage.

          But if someone called me a slur I’m gonna be offended. Because I’m being treated badly for something beyond my control.

          • milu
            milu
            May 1, 2023 at 1:34 am | #

            but are there even slurs about white people?
            No. Because it’s just not comparable. There aren’t slurs about men, or straight people, or Americans. Its a power thing. Its political, not personal.
            There’s only insults for when they’re acting like privileged shitheads, like “fascist”.

            • milu
              milu
              May 1, 2023 at 1:41 am | #

              I realize I’m not explaining myself very well, but its early morning here and i haven’t had my coffee yet

              But hopefully i can talk more gooder when im awaked x_x snoz

            • Yotomoe
              Yotomoe
              May 1, 2023 at 1:47 am | #

              Cracker, Honkey, White boy, Yt, Whitey and that’s just off the top of my head.
              It’s not about Comparison. Let’s not compare trauma.

              Let me put it like this. You don’t know what people are dealing with. You have no idea how much people hate themselves. You don’t know who’s tetering on the edge. And don’t make excuse for treating people like shit for things beyond their control, even if they’re in a position of power.

              Please understand, It’s not saying there’s not a disperity. I’m saying that’s not an EXCUSE. And too many people use it as one. If you sit around talking about how much you hate white people, think they’re lesser, or treat them like shit, You’re racist. I don’t care.

              My mom told me if I married a white woman she wouldn’t accept her.

              My mom told me she believes white people are inherently evil.

              And I’m supposed to just sit around and say “That’s A-OK!”. She has her reasons but NO. That’s fucked up. It’s fucked up to treat people like that. My white roommate is my best friend and if anyone spoke to him like that I would beat the shit out of them. Because that man…I love him. It really pisses me off.

              • milu
                milu
                May 1, 2023 at 2:04 am | #

                Aw man. Sorry to hear that about your mom.
                I don’t want to argue with you over this. We’d better agree to disagree, because my sentiment is coming from a different place but i don’t think it’s something i can be reasoned out of at this point. I’m spooked about the increasing acceptableness of fascist talking points, and this is a potent dogwhistle. Not always consciously of course, bit thats exactly the problem right there, that normal people find it cool and legitimate to talk about reverse racism and i’m reacting to that.
                There are deeper conversations to be had but this is where my immediate concern is. Sorry for being simplistic and flippant with you

                • Yotomoe
                  Yotomoe
                  May 1, 2023 at 2:16 am | #

                  It’s fine. I’m just coming from the POV of someone who grew up around African Americans and some of the most shitty stuff will come out of their mouth. And I’m sick of hearing them justify it by saying “oh black people can’t be racist”. And that bigotry goes on to homophobia, transphobia, racism against POC other than black people.
                  I get that it can seem like a dogwhistle but I’ve just been too privy to so much Hypocrisy and people getting away with it because they don’t wanna seem like an asshole. I don’t use terms like “reverse racism”(cuz I think the reverse of racism would be acceptance and love :P) but I will call a spade a spade if I see it.

                  You act crappy to someone based on their race, I’m calling you a racist. I don’t care what you look like or who you’re doing it to.

                  Sorry for being so immovable on this. I don’t wanna argue anymore either but I wanna stress, it’s not a dogwhistle. I hope I didn’t come off like an asshole.

                • milu
                  milu
                  May 1, 2023 at 5:26 am | #

                  No definitely not. you’re arguing on behalf of generosity and against prejudice. And your perspective makes perfect sense. I hate to argue with you even though we wouldnt agree here no matter how deep we scratch at this.

                • Meagan
                  Meagan
                  May 4, 2023 at 1:25 am | #

                  The problem with calling something a dogwhistle is that then everyone starts assuming that when someone is saying something using a certain phrase in good faith, the assumption is that it is not – even though the majority of people may be using the phrasing in good faith. And this can lead to feeling like the world is a much more dangerous place than it is, and dismissing what people are saying when they are communicating in good faith. It’s a form of hypervigilance. Not saying there aren’t good reasons to be hypervigilant, but we all also bear some responsibility to try to temper our hypervigilance and be discerning about when it is called for, so we don’t just keep escalating situations.

            • Pergola
              Pergola
              May 1, 2023 at 7:07 pm | #

              “are there even slurs about white people?” Sure. Ask the Irish. The Italians. The Poles. The Lithuanians. White people who entered the pecking order at the bottom. ( now guess which one i am )

              And no, I don’t want a fight. Your lack of coffee betrayed you. Your caffeinated self knows better.

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                May 1, 2023 at 11:12 pm | #

                Not the point though. There are slurs for specific sub-groups of white people, but that’s not the same. Saying some groups of white people were treated as out-groups doesn’t mean that white people in general get slurs.
                It means those groups didn’t get treated as fully white and thus didn’t get the full privilege that comes with it.

    • milu
      milu
      May 1, 2023 at 1:00 am | #

      OMG CAN’T BELIEVE SAL IS A RACIST NOW
      YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WAS A RACIST
      MOTHERFUCKIN NAZIS THATS WHO

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        May 1, 2023 at 1:17 am | #

        Hey wait, you can’t call Nazis racist! You’ll offend the braindead subtterranean elk-people who identify with them politically and ideologically but don’t have the courage to admit it in polite company because they know it’s wrong to live that way!

    • Mia
      Mia
      May 1, 2023 at 2:34 am | #

      Do you think that this is what he actually thinks??

    • eh, whatever
      eh, whatever
      May 1, 2023 at 4:21 am | #

      I think nibbling ears is actually a rarer fetish than getting yelled at.

    • Mark
      Mark
      May 1, 2023 at 7:28 am | #

      I think it’s become a pet name, and Danny finds it vaguely endearing.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        May 1, 2023 at 10:35 am | #

        I’m “wonderin” about quite a lot of the posters here. https://www.dumbingofage.com/lit/

        • HueSatLight
          HueSatLight
          May 1, 2023 at 11:13 am | #

          Anyways, I had a “Wonderbread” baseball cap when I was a teen.

  27. Angel
    Angel
    May 1, 2023 at 12:18 am | #

    a week seems pretty fast for ‘dating’, even among college students, if they are dating ‘properly’ as opposed to just meeting at a frat party/hooking up but it’d be an amusing future couple thing if they did get married and putting a flower in the vase or so would be a signal for later in the evening when they come home from jobs or so

    • Mark
      Mark
      May 1, 2023 at 7:32 am | #

      +1 on all counts.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      May 1, 2023 at 8:09 am | #

      ‘dating’ in college is weird. Or at least was in my day.

      Sometimes the transition from just friends hanging out to dating starts with the sex. Actual dates can be much later.

  28. June Gloom
    June Gloom
    May 1, 2023 at 12:21 am | #

    Dan and Sal are delightful, both in this strip and in general.

  29. TemporalShrew
    TemporalShrew
    May 1, 2023 at 12:25 am | #

    The energy Danny is bringing to this exchange is golden.

  30. Dday
    Dday
    May 1, 2023 at 12:26 am | #

    “I have an hour before study group” sounds like a pretty sorry way to inaugurate sex in such a sweet relationship. Cripes lady, buy me dinner first

    • morleuca
      morleuca
      May 1, 2023 at 5:25 am | #

      I think he’s just off his game a bit due to the absurdity situation. Or hopefully he’s lightly poking fun. I can see him having a talk with her over this regarding feelings and other mushy non-spontaneous stuff.

      • Dday
        Dday
        May 1, 2023 at 4:29 pm | #

        Yeah, the conversation is pretty funny, but Sal is clearly acting out of identity crisis as opposed to horniness. In reality Dan is probably sharp enough to pick up on that

    • temporaryobsessor
      temporaryobsessor
      May 1, 2023 at 7:46 pm | #

      I mean given the situation its not that weird a way to respond.
      If she were initiating sex or opening the door for sex it in a different less urgent way she’d no doubt get different more romantic results.

      • Dday
        Dday
        May 1, 2023 at 8:18 pm | #

        Actually, now that I think about it, showing up in your window and angrily demanding sex is pretty romantic, it’s like a more assertive version of Romeo

  31. newlland(Henryvolt)
    newlland(Henryvolt)
    May 1, 2023 at 12:29 am | #

    I don’t know Sal I think you’ve just been really enjoying each other’s company and Dannys not only dating you just to get into your pants?

    Chances are you if Lucy hadn’t brought this up the two of you would have gone weeks before you realized you forgot to make love.

    • Dana
      Dana
      May 1, 2023 at 1:57 am | #

      “Making love” is such an ugly way of putting it. I believe the romantic term is “doinking”.

      • Clif
        Clif
        May 1, 2023 at 3:16 am | #

        We will have to consult Jason.

      • eh, whatever
        eh, whatever
        May 1, 2023 at 4:32 am | #

        “Bump uglies”.

        • morleuca
          morleuca
          May 1, 2023 at 5:27 am | #

          “Rail on each other til neither of you can walk straight and the crisp early spring air stings against your chapped and chuffed thighs through your too tight jeans.”

          • Needfuldoer
            Needfuldoer
            May 1, 2023 at 7:15 am | #

            THUMPA-SPRUNG

          • Amelie Wikström
            Amelie Wikström
            May 1, 2023 at 1:40 pm | #

            “Bone so hard you’ll have to walk sideways for the rest of your lives after using up all your up and down.”

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        May 1, 2023 at 8:10 am | #

        “slap-jacking”

    • Mark
      Mark
      May 1, 2023 at 7:34 am | #

      I suspect that that’s where this conversation is going. Give it another strip or two.

  32. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    May 1, 2023 at 12:30 am | #

    Mixing profanity levels continues to be great. “Gaddanged” followed by “Why ain’t we fucked yet?”

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      May 1, 2023 at 1:20 am | #

      I haven’t been paying attention to if this is a pattern with Sal or not but fucked is profanity. Goddamned is blasphemy. Regardless of her own religious views my recollection is the private school she went to was a religious one. She might have picked up the habit of censoring blasphemy to have an easier time with the authority figures there and not gotten rid of it.

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        May 1, 2023 at 1:27 am | #

        It took scrolling through a few old strips with her in it but my theory doesn’t pan out. She has blasphemed uncensored before.

        • Dr. T
          Dr. T
          May 1, 2023 at 1:53 pm | #

          And said blasphemy usually involved Malaya, I’m sure.

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        May 1, 2023 at 8:11 am | #

        My relatively limited experience with religious authority figures is that while they might argue such a theoretical distinction, they’ll punish you for either profanity or blasphemy.

        • Proxiehunter
          Proxiehunter
          May 1, 2023 at 3:24 pm | #

          But often times get more upset about blasphemy even though they’ll punish you for both.

  33. Suet
    Suet
    May 1, 2023 at 12:31 am | #

    Yarp, that’s your problem there. Danny never wants to drop his hat again.

    Or, at least, maybe what happened in the music room wasn’t enough.

    *plays It’s Gonna Be Me on the ukulele*

  34. Kyrik Michalowski
    Kyrik Michalowski
    May 1, 2023 at 12:33 am | #

    Danny is a lucky man, I’ve never had a girlfriend want to get into my pants within the first week of dating. Although all my exes were long distance relationships, so that does limit things.

    Unfortunately I currently live in the middle of nowhere and I’m not allowed to drive anymore. So my chances of getting a girlfriend are basically nonexistent, let alone my chances of getting laid.

  35. Alden Bates
    Alden Bates
    May 1, 2023 at 12:37 am | #

    I’m amused by the thought of what this looks like for people on the ground outside. Just Sal clinging to a window yelling “WHY AIN’T WE FUCKED YET?!” at someone unseen inside the building.

    • Morleuca
      Morleuca
      May 1, 2023 at 7:01 pm | #

      I mean, I did have a friend in college who, while we were walking across campus, middle of the day, out of nowhere, angrily shout “Why the hell don’t you believe in quickies?” at me. to the amusment (if not delight) of students and professors alike.

  36. Derek
    Derek
    May 1, 2023 at 12:40 am | #

    Honestly to this day I don’t understand why the British guy whose name I momentarily forget had to quit his job and endanger his student visa over having sex with Sal.
    This current comic just adds to the pile of evidence that Sal initiates spontaneous sex with strangers or near-strangers consensually and with gusto.
    The reason why it’s wrong for a TA to have a relationship with a student is because of the power imbalance, and we the omnipercipient readers know for a fact that Jason (is that his name?) never abused his position to exhort sexual favours. In fact he went out of his way to not show favouritism, which did the opposite of endearing him to Sal.

    It was still incredibly stupid and wrong to have sex with a student, but losing his job and jeopardizing his visa is an entirely nonsensical and self inflicted punishment.

    • BBCC
      BBCC
      May 1, 2023 at 12:46 am | #

      He didn’t have to quit because there was no proof that he had sex with a student (which is grounds for firing).

      He chose not to contest the accusation because he knew he had, in fact, had sex with a student. The fact nobody knew for sure or would probably be able to prove it didn’t make him feel better.

    • Tan
      Tan
      May 1, 2023 at 1:00 am | #

      Sal literally had sex with him for grades and he allowed that. The fact that it didn’t WORK does not change the fact that that is abuse of position for sex. It is his responsibility to say no.

      • Aviator
        Aviator
        May 1, 2023 at 1:59 am | #

        If I remember correctly, he didn’t actually give her good grades for the act though. He only gave her good grades, after she started earning good grades. To her, it might have been “Sleep with teacher for grades”, to him it was just regular sexy times, that happened to be with a student. I applaud him for his willingness to throw away his career for feeling bad over it though. He didn’t break his principles. He just…cracked them a little. But then still felt bad enough over just that, to quit. Principled to a fault.

        • Tan
          Tan
          May 1, 2023 at 2:35 am | #

          Again: The fact that it didn’t work doesn’t change what it was. She STATED TO HIM EXPLICITLY that it was for grades. He weaseled about it later that he ‘only’ said yes to the sex and not to the grades, which is utter bullshit. Whatever his intention to follow through or not, the expectation was clearly there, which is the abuse.

          • Dday
            Dday
            May 1, 2023 at 6:56 pm | #

            Wait, when did she say that? I thought she just jumped on top of him and assumed the grades were a given, much to her later surprise and fury. They are both definitely guilty of doing something wrong (and fireable/expellable), but I don’t think she spelled out a quid quo pro in advance.

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              May 1, 2023 at 7:20 pm | #

              She said some stuff to the effect of “Hey, only my marks count, riiiiiiight?”, he said it was unethical, she said “Yeah. :)” and that’s about where the conversation ended. She was pretty heavily hinting, and my assumption is that he’s either dense as a moon, or he conveniently ignored that part because a topless Sal was currently sitting in his lap and he only has so much willpower/integrity. Not enough integrity to avoid fucking a student, but just enough not to lie and say he didn’t.

              Also, an idle thought that’s sort of related. If he hadn’t had consensual sex with Sal in that moment, I wonder how many people would be speculating on whether he’s a closeted gay man, calling him a moron for saying no to all of Sal’s sexy (her words, I think), and otherwise coming up with reasons he’d still be in the wrong. Cuz it’s not like he’d be clearing a particular high bar, so I don’t think we’d get more charitable reads than “At least he turned her down”.

              • Dday
                Dday
                May 1, 2023 at 8:14 pm | #

                At that point in the story, Jason was generally pretty cold-hearted, even when he was attempting to help someone. It follows his pattern of behavior at the time that he understood she wanted a grades boost but didn’t feel like she was entitled to an automatic explanation, she would just find out when she got her bad grades. A slightly more ethical, but obviously mood-killing thing to do would be to actually say “this doesn’t mean I’m rigging your grades” before doin it.

                as for the second part:
                Eh, it was pretty strongly telegraphed that he was attracted to her before the affair (and also they were together in the Walkyverse, so there’s that.)

        • HueSatLight
          HueSatLight
          May 1, 2023 at 10:47 am | #

          “principled to a fault”
          he fucked a student.

          • The Oracle
            The Oracle
            May 1, 2023 at 11:07 pm | #

            Well yes, that looks bad on paper. But you see, he pulled out, which makes it ethical again. Don’t hire me as a lawyer if you fuck a student, I’ll definitely get you a harsher penalty.

    • Dday
      Dday
      May 1, 2023 at 1:08 am | #

      Jason isn’t a bad guy, he just did something very unethical. If he’s allowed to get away with it, that makes things much easier for corrupt/predatory people that actually do want to take advantage.

      • Derek
        Derek
        May 1, 2023 at 8:09 pm | #

        but he DID technically “get away with it”, him leaving was entirely voluntary. The administration still knows NOTHING about the situation. Nothing here suggests that his leaving his position will help anyone in a similar situation in the future

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          May 1, 2023 at 11:17 pm | #

          It won’t help others, but the admin did know about it. They were told by Penny and told him he should bring the student in question in if he wanted to defend himself.

          I don’t think that’s quite what Dday meant though, but that rules that would have let him get away with it, would be very open to abuse by the corrupt/predatory ones.

          • Dday
            Dday
            May 2, 2023 at 12:05 am | #

            If you think about it, the reason he went down without a fight is probably cause he didn’t want Sal to get exposed. He still deserved to get fired, but it counts for something.

    • Tan
      Tan
      May 1, 2023 at 2:51 am | #

      Also, I don’t know if Jason could have successfully mounted a she’s-a-slut defense to retain his position, but I do know he would be a far less sympathetic character to me if he tried.

    • Sam
      Sam
      May 1, 2023 at 3:10 am | #

      Yes, it is a self-inflicted punishment… because Jason knows it was wrong of him to have said yes to it at all ever. And knows it was even scummier of him to sleep with Sal and not follow through with what seemed to be the agreed terms just so he could pretend to be moral and righteous after the fact.

      Did he HAVE to accept the accusation against him? No, he easily could have gotten away with it consequence free, Sal isn’t a narc and Penny had no proof, but the accusation was TRUE and he felt guilty and like he deserved to be punished.

      It isn’t a decision based on practicality, but on emotion and his sense of principles and morals. He didn’t feel he deserved to still be in his position or to get away with his wrongdoing just because the person who accused him couldn’t prove it.

      Just because Sal will willingly have sex with people that are basically strangers doesn’t mean it was acceptable for him to say yes to her in the position he was in. The accusation had nothing to do with whether Sal consented or not, and was entirely about whether Jason was sleeping with students or not, and he knew he did, and didn’t want to carry that around as a secret forever by getting away with it.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      May 1, 2023 at 8:14 am | #

      You make these kinds of things hard and fast rules so that abusers can’t weasel their way around them with arguments like “she’s a slut anyway” or “But I didn’t actually change her grades”.

      • Derek
        Derek
        May 1, 2023 at 8:17 pm | #

        HUH??? when did I call Sal a slut???

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 1, 2023 at 9:31 pm | #

          Nobody said that, either.

        • The Oracle
          The Oracle
          May 1, 2023 at 11:05 pm | #

          For crying out loud. You didn’t say it, nobody said you said it, thejeff was using the phrase “she’s a slut anyway” as an example out what a weasely abuser would say to justify unethical fucking. Hypothetical abuser only, specifically Jason in the context of that scene. Not you. Unless you fit that description, in which case you. But probably (hopefully) not you.

        • thejeff
          thejeff
          May 1, 2023 at 11:20 pm | #

          Some one else used the “she’s-a-slut” defense line up a bit, so it was on my mind.
          And frankly, though you didn’t use the word, that’s exactly what using “Sal initiates spontaneous sex with strangers or near-strangers consensually and with gusto” as a defense to his firing would be.

        • Tan
          Tan
          May 2, 2023 at 12:17 am | #

          @Derek: From your post: “This current comic just adds to the pile of evidence that Sal initiates spontaneous sex with strangers or near-strangers consensually and with gusto.”

          If you want to explain why that is relevant to Jason’s defense that does not boil down to calling her a slut, I am willing to listen, but I am not expecting to be impressed.

  37. BBCC
    BBCC
    May 1, 2023 at 12:44 am | #

    *sighs* Well I’m guessing it’s time for another season of Sal gravitar searching!

    And ahhhhh these two are so cute.

    • Kyrik Michalowski
      Kyrik Michalowski
      May 1, 2023 at 12:52 am | #

      You can do it, I got lucky and it only took me one try; unlike last time when it took me a dozen tries.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      May 1, 2023 at 1:22 am | #

      I eventually just copied a Dina gravitar and used it as a custom one.

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        May 1, 2023 at 1:29 am | #

        Wait, you can do that???

        • Clif
          Clif
          May 1, 2023 at 3:22 am | #

          Absolutely not. It would break the laws of physics as we know them.

        • Viktoria
          Viktoria
          May 1, 2023 at 9:37 am | #

          Go to Gravatar.com, create an account with the same email you use here, and this site will pull your avatar from whatever you select there.

          • Taffy
            Taffy
            May 1, 2023 at 11:38 am | #

            I had no idea.

      • BBCC
        BBCC
        May 1, 2023 at 3:19 pm | #

        That’s valid, but it’d take the fun out of it for me. 😛

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 1, 2023 at 11:10 pm | #

          It’s about the hunt.

    • MoreWLessG
      MoreWLessG
      May 1, 2023 at 2:56 pm | #

      I thought I had Sal but then when I saw it was Joyce doing her Sal impression I figured that’s close enough.

  38. Zane Becker-Byrd
    Zane Becker-Byrd
    May 1, 2023 at 12:51 am | #

    Woohoo! My blorbos are here!

  39. brute
    brute
    May 1, 2023 at 12:52 am | #

    i just wanna see who i got

  40. brute
    brute
    May 1, 2023 at 12:54 am | #

    o h n o

    • Clif
      Clif
      May 1, 2023 at 3:27 am | #

      o h y e s.

    • ADLegend21
      ADLegend21
      May 1, 2023 at 5:42 pm | #

      my condolences

  41. Just an Armadillo
    Just an Armadillo
    May 1, 2023 at 1:03 am | #

    Huh, this conversation was ridiculous enough that I actually like this ship now. The indifference barrier has been breached! We’re taking on water! And that water has boats in it!

  42. Tan
    Tan
    May 1, 2023 at 1:04 am | #

    To be honest, I’m not sure Danny will figure it out when it’s happening. After, probably.

    Low-key hoping he invites her in and very sweetly asks if she’d be alright with some makeouts, and Sal protests that that’s not sexy at all and immediate smashcut to the pair of them in a state of messy undress.

  43. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    May 1, 2023 at 1:05 am | #

    https://imgur.com/a/Q1AEcqW (NSFW, while imgur still lets me do that)
    Just…had to get this outta my system.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 1, 2023 at 1:24 am | #

      Damn it, my one weakness: Flashing. Deliberate and purposeful exposure is cool and good.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        May 1, 2023 at 1:31 am | #

        RIGHT!? That’s exactly why I like it. The intention behind it. Intent is sexy!

    • milu
      milu
      May 1, 2023 at 1:25 am | #

      Bahaha
      Jennifer’s like “OK but have you considered:”

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        May 1, 2023 at 1:32 am | #

        She makes a compelling argument.

    • The Oracle
      The Oracle
      May 1, 2023 at 2:54 am | #

      Wait, those are boobs. Does she know they’re visible?

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        May 1, 2023 at 3:02 am | #

        It’d be weirder if they were invisible!

        • Morleuca
          Morleuca
          May 1, 2023 at 7:40 pm | #

          so if they were invisible, would Jennifer just look like she didn’t have any boobs? like she’d just be flat? Or would she just have two large oblong oval windows showing the fat and musculature of her chest?

          • Taffy
            Taffy
            May 1, 2023 at 7:56 pm | #

            That’s creepy, but also potentially educational.

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      May 1, 2023 at 2:24 pm | #

      You can crawl in and be safe and warm forever…

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 1, 2023 at 7:54 pm | #

      nice lol and good detail on giving her brown nipples, sometimes ppl still draw pink nipples for asians (though i wonder if the coloring [has jen had an official slipshine yet?] would be slightly diff since she’s mixed even tho she looks more asian physically/genetically and not many half white/english traits lol)

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        May 1, 2023 at 8:26 pm | #

        They’re a little lighter/pinker in the Slipshines and pinups, I checked. Not by a whole lot.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          May 1, 2023 at 11:22 pm | #

          Side by side, the colors are actually a lot more different than they looked at a glance.

      • Yotomoe
        Yotomoe
        May 1, 2023 at 8:32 pm | #

        I always say “more people probably have brown nipples than pink. Since there’s also some Asian and white skin tones that have brown nipples.

  44. Rose Red
    Rose Red
    May 1, 2023 at 1:34 am | #

    Oh, Sal.

    (also, wow, time dilation, would have sworn it was a month or two, not just… a week?)

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      May 1, 2023 at 10:55 am | #

      It’s still January, second Thursday of classes. Whenever I start looking at how far back I think something happened, I hear ♪It’s been one week…♫

  45. Aviator
    Aviator
    May 1, 2023 at 1:45 am | #

    Should I pencil you in? I’ll pencil you in.
    NO Wonderbread, I don’t want you to pencil me in, I want you to pencil in me!

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 1, 2023 at 1:57 am | #

      Pencil? We all know Danny has a perfectly adequate penis. It’s not exactly girthy, but it’s certainly not a pencil.

      • Aviator
        Aviator
        May 1, 2023 at 2:00 am | #

        It was the best joke I could come up with! I’m sorry Danny! I’m sorry!

        • Caspar Mulders
          Caspar Mulders
          May 1, 2023 at 2:12 am | #

          Meh, there’s pencils and there’s pencils. I hope for Sal’s sake that this doesn’t apply to Danny: https://images.urbndata.com/is/image/UrbanOutfitters/29552973_000_b?$xlarge$&fit=constrain&qlt=80&wid=640

          • The Oracle
            The Oracle
            May 1, 2023 at 2:55 am | #

            Maybe she’s into hexagonal cock, you don’t know.

  46. Holly A
    Holly A
    May 1, 2023 at 1:58 am | #

    Sal once again being fun

    • Holly A
      Holly A
      May 1, 2023 at 1:58 am | #

      This sounds sarcastic i promise its not

  47. Ophidiophile
    Ophidiophile
    May 1, 2023 at 2:11 am | #

    Sex is different for different people.
    Sex is different for one person with different people.
    Sex is different for one person with the same person under different circumstances.
    Sex is different for one person with the same person under the same circumstances.
    Welcome, Sal, to the next step in your journey of discovery.
    Nothing is certain.

  48. foducool
    foducool
    May 1, 2023 at 2:17 am | #

    yes, I suppose he’ll notice when you’re riding him, Sal

  49. Yotomoe
    Yotomoe
    May 1, 2023 at 2:32 am | #

    I’ll be honest, I kinda wish we got to see more of Leslie’s class. Early in the comic Willis would often have a lot of character interactions based on Leslie’s lessons and I really enjoyed that. It’d especially be interesting with our current group of characters in her class. A few of them don’t get a lotta focus atm.

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      May 1, 2023 at 11:11 am | #

      Yeah, I would have liked that also. But I’d doubt that any useful teaching will happen in that class today because …

      CARLA!

  50. sdrainbow
    sdrainbow
    May 1, 2023 at 2:34 am | #

    of all the characters having to confront the falseness of the facade they’ve presented to the world, I did not have Sal on the list and I am so happy to see it

  51. J. Steven York
    J. Steven York
    May 1, 2023 at 2:40 am | #

    I forget how compressed time is here. Feels like these two have been a thing FOREEEEEVER!

    • newlland(Henryvolt)
      newlland(Henryvolt)
      May 1, 2023 at 3:37 am | #

      It’s like we’re all living it the hyperbolic time chamber.

    • Rowan
      Rowan
      May 1, 2023 at 6:36 am | #

      I was so surprised it had only been a week!

    • Needfuldoer
      Needfuldoer
      May 1, 2023 at 7:30 am | #

      I know what you mean. The last three years somehow feel like they’ve both flown by and dragged on forever.

      … Oh, you mean in the comic!

    • Justnobodyfqwl
      Justnobodyfqwl
      May 1, 2023 at 11:57 am | #

      It helps that they’re the last age where “we’ve been together for A WEEK!” can be said so dramatically unironically

  52. shanunu
    shanunu
    May 1, 2023 at 2:48 am | #

    Gravitars changed??? Who do I got???

    • shanunu
      shanunu
      May 1, 2023 at 2:48 am | #

      YEAAAAAA

  53. Bibliholic93
    Bibliholic93
    May 1, 2023 at 3:40 am | #

    *drops hat* sounds fine. A window ledge is an odd choice, but…

    • Bibliholic93
      Bibliholic93
      May 1, 2023 at 3:49 am | #

      (oh lordy thats perfect thanks grav season)

      “Well Sal… typically sex comes to be more complicated with feelings attached. I know I’ve been respecting your agency in this regard, and really not trying to push it. I like knowing my partners pretty well before we christian this vessel of young love and shove off into choppy waters of… turbulent motion.”

      XD being about middle of the slider on asexuality, specifically demi-pansexual panromantic, I know I cant fathom how people would go off to smash over the course of a few hours or days.

    • pope suburban
      pope suburban
      May 1, 2023 at 4:15 pm | #

      Well, I don’t think that would be a first for Dan. Back when he and Amazi-Girl were an item, Danny told Joe that he was willing and able to perform oral sex while swinging on a grappling hook. Sal is probably going to be in for several very pleasant surprises in the near future.

  54. Plonker
    Plonker
    May 1, 2023 at 3:51 am | #

    I clearly need to deliver gifts of flowers more often than I currently do.

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 1, 2023 at 10:35 pm | #

      florists can be expensive, if its the thought that counts/you know yhour partners preference, maybe you can pick some local wildflowers as long as it’s allowed/no allergies, or simply ‘make’ some paper flowers/something similar

      • Zaxares
        Zaxares
        May 2, 2023 at 7:29 am | #

        Plus, gotta make sure your partner is actually IN to flowers first. 😉 I once dated a girl who absolutely HATED getting flowers because she couldn’t stand the thought of being handed a living thing that basically got chopped up and sentenced to die just because somebody thought they looked pretty.

  55. Allison Branford
    Allison Branford
    May 1, 2023 at 4:16 am | #

    I clearly need to receive gifts of flowers more often than I currently do.

  56. Allison Branford
    Allison Branford
    May 1, 2023 at 4:18 am | #

    No… Not Asher gravitar! Eh, oh well.

  57. Yeet
    Yeet
    May 1, 2023 at 4:41 am | #

    Sal is this maybe about your choices and not Danny

  58. AGV
    AGV
    May 1, 2023 at 4:46 am | #

    Danny has become the Dorothy of the relationship

  59. CrazyJ
    CrazyJ
    May 1, 2023 at 4:59 am | #

    The real question is who Fluffmodeous will be in the Something Positive knock-off?

  60. thumb
    thumb
    May 1, 2023 at 5:41 am | #

    Look, if we ain’t using doors, at least open the bloody window before shouting.

  61. Abel Undercity
    Abel Undercity
    May 1, 2023 at 5:45 am | #

    To adapt a phrase from an entirely different situation: “If you’re going to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.”

  62. Nenja
    Nenja
    May 1, 2023 at 5:45 am | #

    A new slipshine looms on the horizon.

  63. DarkoNeko
    DarkoNeko
    May 1, 2023 at 6:02 am | #

    Looks like both Jennie and Sal are having a very normal morning today.

    • DarkoNeko
      DarkoNeko
      May 1, 2023 at 6:08 am | #

      Like seriously, panicking so hard she went back to calling him Wonderbread of all things

      • TerribleTransit
        TerribleTransit
        May 1, 2023 at 12:01 pm | #

        I’m not sure she ever really stopped. She’s called him “Danny” the last couple of interactions she’s addressed him by ‘name’ but the last time she called him wonderbread wasn’t that long ago chronologically

  64. Disastroid
    Disastroid
    May 1, 2023 at 6:41 am | #

    It’s the first of May, first of May
    Something something starts today

    • Whoknows
      Whoknows
      May 1, 2023 at 1:11 pm | #

      Now’s the time for all the people to get together …outside

  65. Plaaaa
    Plaaaa
    May 1, 2023 at 9:13 am | #

    Sex at the drop of a hat? If I was Danny I’d be dropping my hat.

  66. Puppeteer Nessus
    Puppeteer Nessus
    May 1, 2023 at 9:18 am | #

    Who, who did I get

    • Puppeteer Nessus
      Puppeteer Nessus
      May 1, 2023 at 9:18 am | #

      Righteous

  67. vulcanodon
    vulcanodon
    May 1, 2023 at 9:29 am | #

    Yeah, no pressure…

  68. LiterallyJustSomeGuy
    LiterallyJustSomeGuy
    May 1, 2023 at 9:49 am | #

    I love the combination of “this happens when I want it to happen” and “why hasn’t this happened?!”

  69. Adept
    Adept
    May 1, 2023 at 9:53 am | #

    Heh, this was pretty good.

  70. raultsi
    raultsi
    May 1, 2023 at 9:55 am | #

    good god, it’s only been a week for them? DOA timeline makes me jealous. Freaking April went by in the blink of an eye.

  71. ValdVin
    ValdVin
    May 1, 2023 at 10:49 am | #

    I’ve had a number of talks about this, but never any like this: So simultaneously cool yet confusing as what Sal’s laying on Danny here.

  72. Lamppost
    Lamppost
    May 1, 2023 at 10:55 am | #

    Ooooh nice, I was sick of being Agatha, I wonder who I am now

    • Lamppost
      Lamppost
      May 1, 2023 at 10:55 am | #

      … I’ll take it

  73. Slartibeast Button, BIA
    Slartibeast Button, BIA
    May 1, 2023 at 1:11 pm | #

    Hmmm… Sal went to a Catholic boarding school, right? Where officially you aren’t supposed to have sex outside of marriage, but in practice this often ends up being “It is sinful to plan to have sex, but if it is spontaneous that’s OK, or at least forgivable.”

    I wonder if this “only have sex when I decide to on the spur of the moment” thing is a weird mutant version of that.

    I just hope that one or both of them carry condoms routinely.

    (Or IU just has bowls of them everywhere like the Smif library in QC.)

    • Bunny
      Bunny
      May 1, 2023 at 1:56 pm | #

      As someone who was raised Catholic, you’re spot on. A spontaneous fall from Grace is a venial sin and forgivable. But if you planned it and prepared protection, well it was premeditated. Bigger sin. Much much bigger. So Big!

    • Angel
      Angel
      May 1, 2023 at 10:34 pm | #

      i mean, it’s not exactly like she went to it voluntarily unless you mean she was ‘spontaneously having sex’ just to do it to spite the rules taught

      • Angel
        Angel
        May 1, 2023 at 10:36 pm | #

        and, ppl have said that some college campuses give free condoms so i’d hope it’d be available because you don’t hear as much about ‘pregnant dropouts’ for college specifically versus public school

  74. spriteless aunty
    spriteless aunty
    May 1, 2023 at 1:45 pm | #

    Man Sal would be creepy if she presented as a dude. But now I have to worry about pushy dudes through the lens of their insecurity. At least, the harmless dudes.

    • spriteless aunty
      spriteless aunty
      May 1, 2023 at 1:45 pm | #

      I won the gravitar jackpot!

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 1, 2023 at 7:27 pm | #

      When men are insecure it can only be because they lack moral fiber and demand total domination over all things. This in no way harms them or other men, and definitely isn’t a problem that needs to be addressed, just please villainize all men regardless of whether they’re actively causing harm. Cuz y’know, it’s only a matter of time before a man does something, so it’s better to assume he’s already done/doing it and shun him before he gets the chance. Suspect everyone, even yourself (if you’re a guy), of everything.

      (Purely tongue in cheek here, of course. Not serious, jesting, poking fun, and so on.)

  75. Bunny
    Bunny
    May 1, 2023 at 1:53 pm | #

    A WEEK? I dunno man, feels like it’s been a couple of years to me…

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      May 1, 2023 at 2:00 pm | #

      Horniness often distorts your sense of time…

  76. MoreWLessG
    MoreWLessG
    May 1, 2023 at 2:55 pm | #

    Phenomenal. Are we gonna get a new sexy Slipshine? Let’s hope so!

    • Slartibeast Button, BIA
      Slartibeast Button, BIA
      May 1, 2023 at 3:06 pm | #

      Are there any non-sexy Slipshines?

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        May 1, 2023 at 6:15 pm | #

        I’m not especially into Split Check, does that count? It’s mostly been internal fast food politics, which I’m sure is somebody’s thing, but it don’t do much for me.

      • Angel
        Angel
        May 1, 2023 at 10:40 pm | #

        well it is an ‘exclusively sexual comics’ type site but it would be amusing if they had some kinda ‘mascot’ and drew her just doing slice of life normal stuff that’s not necessarily sexual or so as some kinda ad lol

        though, i do remember some artist doing ‘redraws’/clowning on one wlw webcomic where the main charas had exaggerated faces/expressions/anatomy, even for pornl ol

  77. Pergola
    Pergola
    May 1, 2023 at 7:20 pm | #

    How many new gravs did Willis add?

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      May 1, 2023 at 7:27 pm | #

      At least 2.

    • NGPZ
      NGPZ
      May 1, 2023 at 7:31 pm | #

      Pika pika? If one is Charlie what’s the other one? 😮

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        May 1, 2023 at 7:50 pm | #

        Lucy’s brother, Lyle, is in the rotation now. I don’t remember the Gravatars shuffling after he made his first appearance, but maybe he was added at the time.

  78. Taffy
    Taffy
    May 1, 2023 at 11:26 pm | #

    Something else about this scene, that I only now thought of, is that Sal’s currently shouting about fucking Danny on the edge of a window. I wonder who can see her up there.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      May 2, 2023 at 12:02 am | #

      She’s currently shouting about not fucking Danny. And I’m currently shouting about how the server needs a kick because it’s 12:07 and the update isn’t here yet. Hopefully when I refresh again after this.

  79. Dot
    Dot
    May 2, 2023 at 12:01 am | #

    Sal is willfully exposing Danny to her sexual hang-ups and neuroses. This, too, is a form of vulnerability.

  80. HoopsieDaisy
    HoopsieDaisy
    May 2, 2023 at 5:00 pm | #

    They’re going to have the most sad, kind and amicable breakup ever. But I’ve been there. Sometimes, you’re better off as friends.

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