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June 14, 2026

Mousey

by David M Willis on March 30, 2025 at 12:01 am
  • 03 – Me And Who You Say I Was Yesterday
└ Tags: alice, jennifer, joe, joyce

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  1. Thag Simmons
    Thag Simmons
    March 30, 2025 at 12:05 am | #

    Jennifer’s so good at this.

    • Jeremiah
      Jeremiah
      March 30, 2025 at 12:10 am | #

      Just absolutely fantastic. Top shell stuff.

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 1:24 am | #

      Alice is going to tell her exactly that. Any second now!

  2. Dave Van Domelen
    Dave Van Domelen
    March 30, 2025 at 12:05 am | #

    Go ask Alice….

    • cbwroses
      cbwroses
      March 30, 2025 at 12:21 am | #

      I that a Jefferson Airplane reference?

      • Needfuldoer
        Needfuldoer
        March 30, 2025 at 7:44 am | #

        Probably not an Elton John reference at this point of Alice’s arc.

        Certainly not an America reference; Alice isn’t even mentioned in Tin Man IIRC.

        It could be a Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers reference but only if you watch the music video for Don’t Come Around Here No More.

    • Proxiehunter
      Proxiehunter
      March 30, 2025 at 12:43 am | #

      I would, but she’s ten feet tall right now.

      • UrsulaDavina
        UrsulaDavina
        March 30, 2025 at 1:35 am | #

        What if you just call Alice?

      • Steamweed
        Steamweed
        March 30, 2025 at 10:27 am | #

        Must have been something she ate.

    • Veronica
      Veronica
      March 30, 2025 at 1:42 am | #

      Alice? Who the fuck is Alice?

      (Is that musical reference to regional to play in Yankland?)

      • Buddascrayon
        Buddascrayon
        March 30, 2025 at 2:30 am | #

        Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit

        https://youtu.be/TKZVUtvjBdM

        About as American as they come.

        • Thag Simmons
          Thag Simmons
          March 30, 2025 at 2:40 am | #

          A quick search tells me that Veronica here was referencing a different song about an Alice which is distinctly less American in it’s origins.

        • Freemage
          Freemage
          March 30, 2025 at 2:42 am | #

          Pretty sure Veronica knows that, and was responding with her own counter reference, to another song by a British band, at the same time realizing that her reference would likely sail over the heads of us here in “Yankland”. (I only caught it from context, and then Googled the phrase, and found the song.)

          • Veronica
            Veronica
            March 30, 2025 at 8:32 am | #

            An Australian band, but otherwise correct

            • Mild Lee Interested
              Mild Lee Interested
              March 30, 2025 at 8:47 am | #

              Originally an Australian band, but the cover by British band Smokie made it famous. Pretty sure the famous crowd addition is all Oz though 🙂

              • Veronica
                Veronica
                March 31, 2025 at 1:22 am | #

                We are the country that decided that Am I Ever Gonna See Your Face Again really needed the audience to sing “No way get fucked fuck off” during the chorus after all

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        March 30, 2025 at 2:37 am | #

        Can’t speak for the Yanks, but certainly too regional for this Canadian.

      • Enkrod
        Enkrod
        March 30, 2025 at 2:59 am | #

        I only remember Howard Carpendales german version, but I’m there with you!

      • Damoinion
        Damoinion
        March 30, 2025 at 3:22 am | #

        Both references are good here.

        • Clif
          Clif
          March 30, 2025 at 3:53 am | #

          You can get anything you want (cept Alice) …

      • MichaelLanting
        MichaelLanting
        March 30, 2025 at 4:59 am | #

        I prefer the original to that version, to be honest.

      • Hof1991
        Hof1991
        March 30, 2025 at 10:37 am | #

        Who the hell is Alice plays on my radio every Sunday morning at about 10 am.

        Along with a lot of other polkas. Welcome back my friends and Red rubber ball are polkas if you want them to be.

    • Wilde
      Wilde
      March 30, 2025 at 9:55 am | #

      Good idea. I’ve heard you can get anything you want at Alice’s restaurant.

      • Steamweed
        Steamweed
        March 30, 2025 at 10:26 am | #

        I heard it’s not really a restaurant. And not run by anyone named Alice.

    • Lysbeth
      Lysbeth
      March 30, 2025 at 10:18 am | #

      When the hunk dates are going backwards
      And the prom queen’s gone in her head
      Remember what the doctor said

    • Nura Calise
      Nura Calise
      March 30, 2025 at 3:21 pm | #

      Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore

  3. darkoneko
    darkoneko
    March 30, 2025 at 12:05 am | #

    Well good thing you don’t need anybody, because you sure ain’t getting me again — Alice

    • Charles Phipps
      Charles Phipps
      March 30, 2025 at 12:13 am | #

      Jennifer lives rent free in Alice’s head.

      She’s right to hate Jennifer if she wants but not right to hate her for not showing how much the event hurt her

      Jennifer lost everything because of it but Alice insists she also needs to give up her pride.

      • Sirksome
        Sirksome
        March 30, 2025 at 12:17 am | #

        I’m not sure what you’re reading into here. I kinda don’t think Alice has thought much of Jen before they bumped into each other. She hasn’t’t asked Jennifer anything except to leave her alone. Which Jennifer was doing pretty well at for months until a day ago.

        • Thag Simmons
          Thag Simmons
          March 30, 2025 at 12:24 am | #

          I don’t know if I agree with that. Alice walked away from their first onpage interaction in tears confessing that she used to love Billie.

          I kind of get the vibe that she still very much has feelings that she is trying to avoid.

          • Sirksome
            Sirksome
            March 30, 2025 at 12:52 am | #

            I think Alice still has feelings for Jen sure. I just don’t think she was obsessing over Jen these last few months. Or holding any expectations for her. She has her own life she must be living. Their last interaction showed Alice seemed perfectly fine without Jennifer even if she missed her. I’m just wondering where Charles is picking up this insight?

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        March 30, 2025 at 12:19 am | #

        When that pride ends up putting you into a head-on collision with a chestnut tree maybe it’s a reasonable thing to hate?

        Alice is not the friend who decided Billie just wasn’t cool and popular anymore, she’s the ex who cut Billie out of her life because Jennifer wasn’t willing to become the sort of person she could trust to not keep putting her in-danger.

        • Charles Phipps
          Charles Phipps
          March 30, 2025 at 12:26 am | #

          Yeah but the reason that Jennifer clings to it is that she’s lost everything else.

          • Jeremiah
            Jeremiah
            March 30, 2025 at 12:47 am | #

            I don’t see how that is even remotely Alice problem.

          • Bryy
            Bryy
            March 30, 2025 at 3:18 am | #

            Jennifer almost killed her.

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              March 30, 2025 at 3:51 am | #

              Okay, and now she’s unbelievably hot and could make somebody’s browser history delete itself because it knows it’s outclassed.

              • Clif
                Clif
                March 30, 2025 at 3:55 am | #

                A common problem.

                • Taffy
                  Taffy
                  March 30, 2025 at 5:37 am | #

                  It’s the leading cause of death in the Midwest, and for very clear reasons.

      • Jeremiah
        Jeremiah
        March 30, 2025 at 12:46 am | #

        … Yes? Giving up her pride in order to show even a bit of remorse for almost killing her, is actually a very, very small price.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          March 30, 2025 at 4:37 am | #

          It’s such a small price that if Billie’s pride can’t take the miniscule hit, then that pride must not be worth very much in the first place.

          • Charles Phipps
            Charles Phipps
            March 30, 2025 at 6:45 am | #

            It seems to be what got her out of suicidal alcholism.

            As Jennifer, she can live.

            As Billie, she wants to die.

            • Jeremiah
              Jeremiah
              March 30, 2025 at 12:27 pm | #

              And that is based on… What exactly? Where you get that assertion, I wouldn’t just take your word for it.

              • Charles Phipps
                Charles Phipps
                March 30, 2025 at 3:16 pm | #

                Because Billie was trying to kill herself with Ruth. The lesbian suicide pact was, in fact, actually a suicide pact. Alcoholism and self-annihilation.

                And Jennifer is…not. She’s trying to rebuild her popularity, cast off old associations, and be someone who reacts violently to being called Billie.

                • Thag Simmons
                  Thag Simmons
                  March 30, 2025 at 3:51 pm | #

                  The thing is she worked through the Alcoholism and Suicidal tendencies while she was still Billie. Jennifer hasn’t backslid, but she hasn’t really made much fresh progress either

                • Jeremiah
                  Jeremiah
                  March 30, 2025 at 7:04 pm | #

                  Jennifer is not a different person that Billie, she is still the same, she just pretend like isn’t. Just because she is not actively suicidal doesn’t mean she isn’t still self destructive. And as That said her improvement started way before she reinvented herself. Being Jennifer has nothing to do with her being better. In many ways it make her worse.

                • Li
                  Li
                  March 30, 2025 at 11:20 pm | #

                  Also, um, maybe it’s just me, maybe I’m being overly sensitive, but…

                  I know we’re talking about a relationship that at one point involved a certain pact, I’m not trying to no one can talk about that aspect of Jennifer/Ruth; it would be really counterproductive, since all of this stuff is textually why Ruth broke up with her.

                  But woof. Having an explicit variant of “she was/is suicidal” in every single comment in this thread is making it harder for me to read through, much less respond to.

                  Again, if it’s just me, that’s okay. I’ll engage with other threads instead.

      • Li
        Li
        March 30, 2025 at 10:16 pm | #

        You’ve got kind of a simplistic understanding of Billie/Jennifer’s character arc that just doesn’t quite line up with the timeline of events.

        1. Jennifer had a drinking problem before the DUI.
        2. We have no reason to think Jennifer was drugged that night or at any other point, she had a flask she was chugging when she and Alice left prom.
        3. Jennifer was sober AND in therapy before Ruth broke things off. I know Jennifer told Walky she “got therapy” to explain what happened during the timeskip, but she just… wasn’t being honest with him. (And why should she be? She wanted him to piss off.)

        • Yumi
          Yumi
          March 30, 2025 at 10:58 pm | #

          Was she in therapy? I know she was referred to therapy services, I just don’t remember if we got confirmation or clues she was going pre-timeskip.

          But yes, she was sober and improving. The suicide pact pretty much ended when Ruth was hospitalized. This happened about 4 real life years before the timeskip happened. In universe, according to the fan wiki, this happened on October 3rd. Breaking up on Halloween means they were less than a month from it– but they it seems like they started to get into that territory in “Answers In Hennessy,” which was September 15th, so that was even less time in it.

          • Li
            Li
            March 30, 2025 at 11:10 pm | #

            I mean I guess it’s possible she only went once? But she did go.

            • Yumi
              Yumi
              March 30, 2025 at 11:18 pm | #

              Thanks for the link! Just before the timeskip (last day we see in-comic before, less than a month before it happened in real world time), so it makes sense that more isn’t said about it.

              • Li
                Li
                March 30, 2025 at 11:28 pm | #

                Yeah. 🙂

  4. Sirksome
    Sirksome
    March 30, 2025 at 12:06 am | #

    The planned worked the first day? Joyce is good at this.

    • mindbleach
      mindbleach
      March 30, 2025 at 12:09 am | #

      When Jennifer reflects on this, one inevitable disaster later, that will be the most galling part.

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 1:26 am | #

      Joyce does, in fact, pull. 🙂

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        March 30, 2025 at 1:56 am | #

        She’s the queen of pulling.

        • Proxiehunter
          Proxiehunter
          March 30, 2025 at 4:45 am | #

          That’s what Joe said.

    • Anon
      Anon
      March 30, 2025 at 7:00 pm | #

      Did they not pick a place they knew Alice ate at? Vs a specific restaurant tho I suppose it’s the school cafeteria hall?

      • Aura
        Aura
        March 30, 2025 at 10:09 pm | #

        I don’t think any of them know Alice well enough to do that?

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        March 30, 2025 at 10:33 pm | #

        Specifically, they’re eating lunch in the Forest Quad cafeteria, where Alice lives.

  5. EpochFlame
    EpochFlame
    March 30, 2025 at 12:06 am | #

    jennifer did an oopsie

  6. Cholma
    Cholma
    March 30, 2025 at 12:06 am | #

    And BOOM goes the dynamite!

  7. Jonah (firelight_waltz)
    Jonah (firelight_waltz)
    March 30, 2025 at 12:06 am | #

    ah jeez gooners

  8. Coatl
    Coatl
    March 30, 2025 at 12:08 am | #

    The tension has appeared

  9. chuckroast
    chuckroast
    March 30, 2025 at 12:09 am | #

    Grabbing myself a bucket of popcorn. This ought to be good.

  10. Animedingo
    Animedingo
    March 30, 2025 at 12:09 am | #

    She kinda has a point about the mousey nerds and the fuck machines

    • ABunchOTrees
      ABunchOTrees
      March 30, 2025 at 12:52 am | #

      Maybe she should look into that.

      Ahhh, who am I kidding. She built her entire identity on being a sexy cheerleader. It’s too late to change course now.

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        March 30, 2025 at 2:35 am | #

        It’s so ridiculous because the person Jennifer prides herself on being seen with (Radiah) builds her identity around her future job like Dorothy another Jennifer identified nerd but because she’s also mean she thinks that’s an improvement to Joyce??

    • Kazuma Shouri
      Kazuma Shouri
      March 30, 2025 at 12:04 pm | #

      that’s why I spec’d my build into mousey nerd!

      unfortunately I went too hard down the mousey skill tree and ended up picking up the hermit subclass

    • Anon
      Anon
      March 30, 2025 at 7:11 pm | #

      Well
      There are types attracted to each other but other than the “step on me queen”
      Type of men idk how many women in college that’d be as “built”
      As Joe if they’re not on some kinda sports team

  11. HueSatLight
    HueSatLight
    March 30, 2025 at 12:09 am | #

    be a little mousey nerd. you’re almost there

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      March 30, 2025 at 12:33 am | #

      Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

      • HueSatLight
        HueSatLight
        March 30, 2025 at 11:49 am | #

        She’s already littler and mousier than Sarah.

  12. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah
    March 30, 2025 at 12:09 am | #

    You were saying something Jennifer?

  13. Jo_cubstar
    Jo_cubstar
    March 30, 2025 at 12:09 am | #

    I would think Ethan is the mousey nerd, yeah. Or depressed need more like

    • GholaHalleck
      GholaHalleck
      March 30, 2025 at 12:31 am | #

      Ethan and Asher have Goku and Vegeta energy.

      • Taffy
        Taffy
        March 30, 2025 at 1:23 am | #

        I will thank you to put some respect on my Saiyan boys. They worked hard for that energy. Those guys were divorced before they were even born.

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      March 30, 2025 at 6:25 am | #

      Ethan is a buff-ass mousey nerd

      • StClair
        StClair
        March 30, 2025 at 2:43 pm | #

        he was buff, now he’s tubercular “consumptive” “emaciated”, which somehow only makes him hotter to a certain demographic.

  14. Charles Phipps
    Charles Phipps
    March 30, 2025 at 12:12 am | #

    What’s kind of disturbing is Alice wants Jennifer more than anything for Jennifer to show REMORSE.

    But what Jennifer doesn’t want to be is defined as a drunk driver.

    • Zamperla
      Zamperla
      March 30, 2025 at 12:37 am | #

      yeah. she has to be the Kickass Hero Head Cheerleader. But this is the person who was There, and directly affected by, the crash.

      • Charles Phipps
        Charles Phipps
        March 30, 2025 at 12:58 am | #

        Alice may not comprehend pride is the only thing keeping Jennifer from her suicide pact’s conclusion.

        • Sirksome
          Sirksome
          March 30, 2025 at 1:12 am | #

          You can show remorse without giving up your pride. I’d argue a good leader which is what Jennifer identifies as should be capable of showing remorse and learning from mistakes. Jennifer’s pride is likely the reason she’s even sober. She just hasn’t been able to detach that from the more toxic aspects of it. But this comic isn’t a speedrun. We got lots more drama to milk from Jennifer being a slow learner.

    • Envy
      Envy
      March 30, 2025 at 2:57 am | #

      I mean, Jennifer spent like half of the first semester in a drunken suicide pact with her new girlfriend after almost killing her previous (sorta)girlfriend in DUI. I really don’t think Alice was wrong for thinking Jennifer didn’t really feel remorse or learn from her mistakes at that point.

      • Charles Phipps
        Charles Phipps
        March 30, 2025 at 4:27 am | #

        I mean the only reason she was a suicidal drunk was because of the DUI.

        Also, she confessed to it to the kids at her sorority when she was worshiped by them.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          March 30, 2025 at 4:38 am | #

          Billie’s not part of a sorority, though.

          • Charles Phipps
            Charles Phipps
            March 30, 2025 at 6:45 am | #

            Her residential hall.

            Weird typo

        • Chubseus
          Chubseus
          March 30, 2025 at 7:51 am | #

          The only reason? I don’t think we have evidence that that the dui is the chicken to the suicidal egg, and not the other way round. Jennifer has other reasons to be suicidally drunk. Everything listed in the previous strip, plus shitty pseudo-parents (Walkertons). A severe lack of genuine care, love, and attention.

          • thejeff
            thejeff
            March 30, 2025 at 9:41 am | #

            Yeah, the idea that the DUI was the cause of her alcoholism rather than the result doesn’t make a lot of sense. It likely increased her self-loathing and drove her to drink even more – and more outside of the party girl context, but we’ve seen enough reference to her behavior before that in high school to know it didn’t start there.

            • Charles Phipps
              Charles Phipps
              March 30, 2025 at 3:18 pm | #

              Maybe but we also have hints she could have been drugged at the party.

              • Thag Simmons
                Thag Simmons
                March 30, 2025 at 3:53 pm | #

                Do we really? It’s a theory some people have, but that doesn’t mean it’s well supported by the comic

              • thejeff
                thejeff
                March 30, 2025 at 7:32 pm | #

                The only hint is that she warned people against it. It goes against every other bit of evidence. Not to mention how much it would mess with her character arc.

                • Thag Simmons
                  Thag Simmons
                  March 31, 2025 at 12:00 am | #

                  Yeah, Jennifer’s consistently characterized as having been the sort of person who was extremely vigilant about that sort of shit, and she was drinking out of her own flask.

                  There are ways to hint at her drink having being tampered, none of them were used.

          • Thag Simmons
            Thag Simmons
            March 30, 2025 at 3:57 pm | #

            The DUI definitely burned a lot of bridges for her. It cost her her best friend and closed doors for her at college, it definitely made things worse.

            But she clearly already had a drinking problem or she would’t have put her car into a tree in the first place

            • Li
              Li
              March 30, 2025 at 10:07 pm | #

              +1

      • thejeff
        thejeff
        March 30, 2025 at 9:45 am | #

        Jennifer obviously didn’t learn from her mistakes, but that’s not quite the same as not feeling remorse. More accurate I think to say she couldn’t handle the remorse, so she drowned it in more alcohol and kept up the same pretense that papered over the rest of her self-loathing.

        And that’s the kind of thing that she could say to Alice that might help.

    • Envy
      Envy
      March 30, 2025 at 3:13 am | #

      I don’t think Alice wants anything from Jennifer. Both times they’ve interacted in college, it’s been Jen that initiated and both times Alice has tried to end the interaction as fast as possible. She’s been pretty clear about not wanting any relationship with her.

    • Astariel
      Astariel
      March 30, 2025 at 3:45 pm | #

      I’m not sure if Alice wants anything from Jennifer other than to be left alone, but I don’t think it’s remorse. The first time they met at college, she was polite but distant when Billie acted like she did in high school, but when Billie took the first step in the direction of remorse by saying she didn’t want the old Billie back, Alice unloaded on her. If she wants remorse, she’s not doing much to encourage it.

  15. Amós Batista
    Amós Batista
    March 30, 2025 at 12:14 am | #

    Finish, Jennifer. We need to know why do you bother about Alice, even you not needing nobody.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      March 30, 2025 at 2:57 am | #

      It occurs me that Jennifer knows nothing about Alices social circle. For all she knows Alices is openly into nerd culture that Jennifer just loudly denounced.

      • DashWallkick
        DashWallkick
        March 30, 2025 at 9:22 am | #

        Jennifer is, as we’ve seen, still obsessed with the past. Even to this day, even if she’s not a head cheerleader, problem solver, ace reporter, she still thinks she’s in high school and refuses to grow up. And the times she does, it’s only from cajoling from others.

  16. Jamie
    Jamie
    March 30, 2025 at 12:19 am | #

    *pulls out popcorn* Continue.

  17. staszu13
    staszu13
    March 30, 2025 at 12:25 am | #

    You are?

    Well, don’t let me stop you.

  18. John Campbell
    John Campbell
    March 30, 2025 at 12:30 am | #

    Having witnessed the wreckage left after Joyce’s first time in the other universe, I’m assuming that Joe is the mousey nerd here.

  19. Zamperla
    Zamperla
    March 30, 2025 at 12:35 am | #

    I really enjoy how a lot of what’s cranking Jennifers chain is her perceived loss of like. Social dominance/superiority, and how a lot of that feels like it comes back to the car crash even *before* crashing into social cache not really transferring to college.

    Like. Listen to her. Alpha. Better then this. Aside from the fact that she sounds like the natural output of a kid raised in a house with a library thats probably mostly inspirational books for rich dudes, I wonder if it aint the desire to Always Be the girl who left the prom triumphant. Not the girl who got wheeled away in an ambulance.

    ….but also hoh boy is she a champion at foolin herself.

    • UrsulaDavina
      UrsulaDavina
      March 30, 2025 at 1:07 am | #

      > Personally, I like being a lambda. I have no idea what it means in the whole alpha, beta, gamma, or sigma nonsense. I just like that it’s pointy, it has the word lamb in it, and I like sheep. And I have no intention of actually researching what a lambda person is supposed to mean.

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        March 30, 2025 at 1:15 am | #

        The more someone insists they’re an alpha or a sigma the more likely it is that they’re a ligma.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          March 30, 2025 at 1:20 am | #

          Who the fuck is Steve Jobs?

      • AMagicalDuck
        AMagicalDuck
        March 30, 2025 at 2:16 am | #

        A lambda male is that guy from Half Life

      • Sillygoose
        Sillygoose
        March 30, 2025 at 10:00 am | #

        Interestingly, in French, a “lambda person” means your average person. Joe Schmoe. Otto Normalverbraucher. Has been in use forever, way before this whole alpha sigma stigma zeugma pseudo-analysis of personality types started.

    • DashWallkick
      DashWallkick
      March 30, 2025 at 9:26 am | #

      She is exactly the kind of child of rich parents to imitate the confidence and arrogance of her father without understanding the stability that is the center of it. She is the kind of kid to fake it just long enough to get a job she can’t do and then when fired she blames everyone but herself. In some ways, this year of college has been exactly what she needed, she’s just really really good at brushing off doubt and powering through.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      March 30, 2025 at 9:51 am | #

      She’s exactly the natural output of being raised by servants and with absent parents. Everything else is just clinging to something to replace that missing parental support.
      Focusing on the “rich” part of her upbringing ignores the fundamental issue.

      • Yumi
        Yumi
        March 30, 2025 at 10:06 am | #

        I would also bring up how she was raised connects with how she approaches relationships– people supporting her must want something from her. And being raised by her family’s staff means being raised by people who were paid to do it.

        • DashWallkick
          DashWallkick
          March 30, 2025 at 11:02 am | #

          You really can’t explain Jennifer as a person without that one phone conversation where she calls her house and tries to ask someone (I forget who) where “Senor Billingsworth” (her father, addressed by his formal title) had the homeless people sent that one time.

          Her father treats her like a project, fixes her mistakes, then bails, offering her no warmth or love. Billie reproduces that dynamic and has no idea how fucked up it is.

          • BBCC
            BBCC
            March 30, 2025 at 6:31 pm | #

            Jennifer describes him as emotionally constipated and says the only way he knows how to show her he loves her is to throw money at her,

  20. BBCC
    BBCC
    March 30, 2025 at 12:36 am | #

    Well this is gonna be interesting.

  21. JA
    JA
    March 30, 2025 at 12:38 am | #

    /gets the popcorn ready

  22. Taffy
    Taffy
    March 30, 2025 at 12:42 am | #

    Alice is way too fuckin’ hot.

    • klb
      klb
      March 30, 2025 at 3:26 pm | #

      THANK you i’m not the only one

  23. RassilonTDavros
    RassilonTDavros
    March 30, 2025 at 12:54 am | #

    There’s walking face-first into a brick wall, and then there’s being Billie.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      March 30, 2025 at 2:38 am | #

      Don’t know why but I really thought she could pull off one lunch looking sane.

  24. Grayfinity
    Grayfinity
    March 30, 2025 at 12:55 am | #

    Go ahead, Jennifer. Finish your sentence and prove Alice right.

  25. IntangibleMatter
    IntangibleMatter
    March 30, 2025 at 12:56 am | #

    Well, at the very least she saw her with them! In a bad light, but nonetheless!

    • Anon
      Anon
      March 30, 2025 at 7:02 pm | #

      Imagine if Alice had a new partner that
      Was mostly like Jen without the hang ups lol

      Or dating a male vr of Ruth 8D

  26. UrsulaDavina
    UrsulaDavina
    March 30, 2025 at 1:02 am | #

    Just a note the whole ‘alpha wolf’ concept has actually been debunked. It came from studies on captive wolves, not wild ones.

    In reality, wolf packs operate like families — the ‘leaders’ are usually just the parents, not dominant fighters.

    The scientist who popularized the alpha theory even retracted it later on!

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      March 30, 2025 at 1:20 am | #

      Yeah, so any of you men who think you’re an alpha wolf, just understand that you’re actually a pathetic little prison dog howling for scraps while the rest of us eat at the people table.

    • Swissaboo
      Swissaboo
      March 30, 2025 at 1:23 am | #

      There is one single grain of truth to it, which is that when competition is REALLY scarce and prey is REALLY plentiful wolves will stick around into giant multigenerational packs instead of their more typical “nuclear family” style pack where they children head off to try to find their own territory, the daughters will have a dominance struggle between themselves for who’s going to be the “second in command” so to speak.

      (That being said, that “low competition, plentiful prey” basically just means “when you reintroduce wolves to yellowstone”)

      • UrsulaDavina
        UrsulaDavina
        March 30, 2025 at 1:33 am | #

        That’s interesting I didn’t actually know that thanks for the clarification.

        • Li
          Li
          March 30, 2025 at 11:57 am | #

          “Alphas are essentially bragging about how much of an asshole they’d be if we put them in a cage” is how I think I’ve heard it described.

          • Li
            Li
            March 30, 2025 at 11:31 pm | #

            *how self-important they would act if…

            Hbomberguy or Shaun, I think.

    • Joy
      Joy
      March 30, 2025 at 2:53 am | #

      To be fair, when you consider the way that she presents herself as an alpha… Well, she basically is describing a mom friend?

    • Hof1991
      Hof1991
      March 30, 2025 at 10:42 am | #

      It lasted until female scientists came involved. Male scientists just continued to see strong powerful males.

      • Thag Simmons
        Thag Simmons
        March 30, 2025 at 4:15 pm | #

        Got a source for that? I can track down L David Mech’s original popularization of the Alpha/Beta concept and his later disavowal of the idea as not accurate, but everything I’ve seen indicates this was something that changed as he and other researchers did more studies of natural wild populations, not as a result of demographic shifts within the scientists

    • Yak
      Yak
      March 30, 2025 at 6:27 pm | #

      However, this opens up a whole new horrifying philosophical thought: what if humans in industrialized societies act more like captive wolves than wild ones?

  27. Lingo
    Lingo
    March 30, 2025 at 1:15 am | #

    Wow, those eyes. She’s like a hawk, or an owl. Just staring you down with those eyes, until she gobbles you down like the mousy nerd you are. (That’s you, Jennifer.)

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      March 30, 2025 at 1:18 am | #

      Well, when ya put it that way 👀

      • Sirksome
        Sirksome
        March 30, 2025 at 1:27 am | #

        Alice could be buffer tho. If we’re going there with the comparison. She needs to hold up her end and become a true fuck machine.

        • Taffy
          Taffy
          March 30, 2025 at 1:54 am | #

          Oh my gods, buff Alice might actually kill me.

          • Opus the Poet
            Opus the Poet
            March 30, 2025 at 3:32 am | #

            Yeah, but what a way to go!
            “Death by snu-snu! Death by snu-snu!”
            (I leave it to others to find the link.)

            • Taffy
              Taffy
              March 30, 2025 at 5:35 am | #

              Is it so much to ask for a muscular, powerful woman to literally pop my head like a grape with one mighty flex?

              • Schpoonman
                Schpoonman
                March 30, 2025 at 8:15 am | #

                I’ve seen that clip from The Boys.

              • Steamweed
                Steamweed
                March 30, 2025 at 10:22 am | #

                May I recommend to you Bev from the Nortverse comic?

    • Michael Steamweed
      Michael Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 1:30 am | #

      Alice isn’t exactly buff, but Billifer could probably be talked into making an exception.

      • Proxiehunter
        Proxiehunter
        March 30, 2025 at 2:08 pm | #

        Maybe she’s like this one Joshi wrestler I’ve seen who looks like an idol who might blow away in a stiff breeze until she <i?flexes and suddenly you’re looking at She-Hulk.

        Hidden buffness comes in more shapes than Amber.

      • Anon
        Anon
        March 30, 2025 at 7:03 pm | #

        Tbf “buff fuck machine”
        Might be her type for
        A guy but not women, even tho Ruth was fairly tough o think she’s still shorter
        than Joe

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      March 30, 2025 at 2:50 am | #

      Maybe Alice will ignore Jennifer after this look and immediately ask to sit with Joyce and Joe.

  28. VolticEXE
    VolticEXE
    March 30, 2025 at 1:30 am | #

    Man, that drunken crash did something far worse to Jennifer than kill her; it trapped her there.

    It just keeps seeming like so much keeps going back to that car crash & how she keeps trying to be the person that existed right after she left that prom & before it actually happened. I’m sure being around people like Raidah (who is confidently who she is which is someone who is extremely manipulative & without a strong moral code for others) didn’t help at all.

    Sucks because she very obviously is a good person deep down, she wouldn’t be giving genuine to others the way she did before without being that kind of person. It just gets pushed down deeper & deeper with everything she tries to keep hidden like how she used to be into… *gasp* NERD CULTURE. She had her own hardships aswell in her younger age it definitely feels like, but everything that’s happening now? It just stems from that one crash she cannot let go.

    GOD, its gonna be cathartic to watch her get rid of that hoodie & letting go of her high school self.

    • Veronica
      Veronica
      March 30, 2025 at 1:37 am | #

      Batman voice: It’s not who I am underneath, but what I dooooooo that defines me

    • StClair
      StClair
      March 30, 2025 at 1:56 am | #

      “You exist here.”

      • Opus the Poet
        Opus the Poet
        March 30, 2025 at 3:36 am | #

        I remember that episode of DS9!

      • anonymsly
        anonymsly
        March 30, 2025 at 9:43 am | #

        DS9 had a great opener in a lot of ways.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      March 30, 2025 at 2:46 am | #

      Yep, any perceived slight to her image results in her propelling herself further into social isolation. Jennifer you came to Joyce! don’t bat the life line away and admit you can’t swim on your own.

    • Ray Radlein
      Ray Radlein
      March 30, 2025 at 4:11 am | #

      “You are trapped in that bright moment where you learned your doom” — Samuel R. Delany, City of a Thousand Suns

  29. Veronica
    Veronica
    March 30, 2025 at 1:35 am | #

    What’s Willis’ thought process that decides whether to use frickin’ or fucking in any given panel?

    • Opus the Poet
      Opus the Poet
      March 30, 2025 at 3:41 am | #

      I think that depends on the character. Early Joyce would be fricking or fudging. Second semester Joyce would be fucking.

      • Sillygoose
        Sillygoose
        March 30, 2025 at 10:08 am | #

        She would, and probably will.

  30. DailyBrad
    DailyBrad
    March 30, 2025 at 1:44 am | #

    I am pretty enthralled. It does feel like Alice being here isn’t some happy accident, either, like she has… purpose? on her face.

    So, I wanna know what Alice has to say.

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      March 30, 2025 at 1:54 am | #

      Tomorrow’s strip is just Alice and Billie making out with the force of a thousand suns.

      • Clif
        Clif
        March 30, 2025 at 4:06 am | #

        Called it.

      • Steamweed
        Steamweed
        March 30, 2025 at 10:20 am | #

        1. Appropriate gravatar is appropriate.
        2. We want to see that other patreon, yes, we does, preciousss.

  31. M!a
    M!a
    March 30, 2025 at 1:50 am | #

    *whoops appreciatively and bangs my stick on the ice*

  32. Freezer
    Freezer
    March 30, 2025 at 1:52 am | #

    Billifer, dear… If you have to tell people you’re “an Alpha,” you are not, in fact, an Alpha.

    • Sol
      Sol
      March 30, 2025 at 1:57 am | #

      She is definitely an alpha in the sense of a pre-release build that’s only in its concept stages and needs major work and refining…. 😛

    • Joey245
      Joey245
      March 30, 2025 at 7:39 am | #

      Billifer: “I’m in charge!”

      Alice: “Do you feel in charge?”

  33. Morhek
    Morhek
    March 30, 2025 at 2:12 am | #

    Joe: “I’m trying very hard not to just be a fuck machine-”

    Jennifer: “STOP IT.”

    • Steamweed
      Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 10:18 am | #

      Joyce: “I’m trying very hard not to just be a hussy.”
      Jennifer: “STOP THAT, TOO.”

  34. Juanoku
    Juanoku
    March 30, 2025 at 2:18 am | #

    Nailed it, 10/10, no notes. Went swimmingly

  35. Archieve
    Archieve
    March 30, 2025 at 2:28 am | #

    Wow, Jennifer would have accomplished her goal of looking stanle if she could just not make a scene explicitly ditching her friends because their not good enough (face palm).

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      March 30, 2025 at 2:47 am | #

      stable*

    • Freemage
      Freemage
      March 30, 2025 at 4:03 am | #

      That is not her reason for ditching JoJo. She explicitly stated here she feels like a third wheel, and hates that feeling.

      • Archieve
        Archieve
        March 30, 2025 at 4:57 am | #

        she states that the she hates the feeling because “she’s better” that thought its tied in with her superiority inferiority complex where she hates that a “mousy nerd” is with someone hot while she’s alone. More to the point, with how Alice is looking at Jennifer that seems to be how her actions and words are being interpreted.

      • Sillygoose
        Sillygoose
        March 30, 2025 at 10:11 am | #

        What she says explicitly is that she doesn’t want to be BE SEEN as a third wheel, so I’d argue definitely in the image and not feeling territory.

  36. Opus the Poet
    Opus the Poet
    March 30, 2025 at 2:37 am | #

    I haven’t seen the next comic, but my story-plotting mind has Jennifer saying “Hi, I missed you, I still miss you and I want to repair our relationship so much.”

    • StClair
      StClair
      March 30, 2025 at 4:19 am | #

      Sorry, but this is not Smarting of Age.

      • Aquila
        Aquila
        March 30, 2025 at 7:23 am | #

        That’s the sequel, when they’re all living in the same retirement community.
        “OoOoh, my hips are smarting something awful today!”

  37. Deanatay
    Deanatay
    March 30, 2025 at 2:48 am | #

    Alt-text: No, Ethan and Asher is a case of the Buff-Ass Fuck Machine bagging another Buff-Ass Fuck Machine. Usually only happens in slash fiction, but it’s not unheard of.

    • thejeff
      thejeff
      March 30, 2025 at 9:54 am | #

      But Ethan is still a nerd and Asher is a bad boy, so it fits

  38. Archieve
    Archieve
    March 30, 2025 at 2:49 am | #

    Assuming Jennifer can get a word In, I assume it will be less put together then that.

  39. Joy
    Joy
    March 30, 2025 at 2:50 am | #

    =/

    • Joy
      Joy
      March 30, 2025 at 2:55 am | #

      …what game is she at the top of? Is this that manifesting trend?

      • Joy
        Joy
        March 30, 2025 at 2:55 am | #

        Oh! Right! College students! She probably has good grades right now

  40. Archieve
    Archieve
    March 30, 2025 at 3:00 am | #

    We’ve never seen any indication of her scores but I somehow doubt either way Jennifer cares. if she thinks too hard about what she means it all cone crumbling down.

  41. jeffepp
    jeffepp
    March 30, 2025 at 3:18 am | #

    Alice: “Sit!”

    “Yes, Mommy! Arf!”

    • Taffy
      Taffy
      March 30, 2025 at 3:39 am | #

      You get it.

  42. bwooom
    bwooom
    March 30, 2025 at 4:01 am | #

    More “alpha” talk from Jennifer. Really holding onto that title, girl!!!

  43. ADLegend21
    ADLegend21
    March 30, 2025 at 4:50 am | #

    I don’t need a Billion dolla-

  44. Amelie Wikström
    Amelie Wikström
    March 30, 2025 at 5:03 am | #

    Jennifer is so carefree and happy with herself she can’t do anything without first considering how she’s seen.

  45. David Alexander McDonald
    David Alexander McDonald
    March 30, 2025 at 6:12 am | #

    Go ask Alice
    when she’s ten feet tall

  46. Keith
    Keith
    March 30, 2025 at 7:19 am | #

    I should remember things, but, I never do so have to be reminded. That the “Alpha” theory is disproven and that Alpha particles have no penetration and can easily be dealt with.

    • Steamweed
      Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 10:15 am | #

      Yep, alpha particles are very damaging to you, but only if you let them get too close. Under your skin is definitely very bad for you.

  47. Chubseus
    Chubseus
    March 30, 2025 at 8:01 am | #

    What’s that white splash behind Alice in panel 4?

    • Steamweed
      Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 10:14 am | #

      Possibilities:
      1. Joe and Joyce just made a bodily fluids mess.
      2. The splash is a fountain right outside that window. (assuming it’s a window)

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      March 30, 2025 at 12:49 pm | #

      fire

      • Chubseus
        Chubseus
        March 30, 2025 at 2:45 pm | #

        Aha! Thanks!

  48. Nick Piers
    Nick Piers
    March 30, 2025 at 8:05 am | #

    Alice bursts into the room like Green Goblin in Spider-Man (2002):

    FINISH IT!

  49. Doopyboop
    Doopyboop
    March 30, 2025 at 8:56 am | #

    Alice is so pretty. Jennifer fumbled. Augh, her wavy hair and dark lipstick has bewitched me…!

    • keet
      keet
      March 30, 2025 at 9:29 am | #

      super agreed!!!

  50. aSnowyEvening
    aSnowyEvening
    March 30, 2025 at 8:57 am | #

    Alright Jen, decision time. Will you use this moment as an opportunity to grow in a new direction? Or…

    Yeah I also am gonna grab my popcorn. She may yet surprise me, but based on the lunch so far she still doesn’t seem open to making any choices different from her default.

    • Ado
      Ado
      March 30, 2025 at 12:57 pm | #

      I disagree here. She’s willing to make choices different from her default… and willing to retreat from them. One step forward, one step back. That makes her super fascinating to me – she’s always full of potential to do something different.

  51. DashWallkick
    DashWallkick
    March 30, 2025 at 9:19 am | #

    Called it! I said Jennifer was going to reject Joyce’s help, puff herself up, and retreat further from vulnerability. Now let’s see if it’s gonna get toppled by Alice entering the picture.

    • Archieve
      Archieve
      March 30, 2025 at 6:51 pm | #

      it’s sad because Joyce’s kindness is exactly what Jennifer needs right now but it’s impossible for her to help as long as Jennifer’s default is to tell herself she can do better friend wise.

  52. Rabisch
    Rabisch
    March 30, 2025 at 9:33 am | #

    Maybe if Jennifer gets on her knees and starts begging her like John Belushi in “The Blues Brother”…

    • Looney
      Looney
      March 30, 2025 at 9:45 am | #

      the effectiveness of the “takes off glasses and looks at you seductively/sincerely” move probably is diminished somewhat considering you can already see her eyes. but i’d want to see it anyway.

  53. Yeet
    Yeet
    March 30, 2025 at 10:28 am | #

    goddammit, jennifer

  54. superglucose
    superglucose
    March 30, 2025 at 10:36 am | #

    typical queer woman problems: you’re in the middle of a rant and then *she* shows up

  55. Hof1991
    Hof1991
    March 30, 2025 at 10:46 am | #

    Go ask Alice was also a fake diary about the danger of sex and drugs. Supposedly a diary. The main character commits suicide. Then there was a sequel by the same author. Probably too old for this audience and author.

    https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/332d71ef-cd36-4636-babc-7e0c532958ac

    • Steamweed
      Steamweed
      March 30, 2025 at 3:15 pm | #

      I recall it. Back when I was an Englishing teachering person, several students were reading that. Led to some frank class discussions, as I recall.

  56. Stephen Nedland
    Stephen Nedland
    March 30, 2025 at 11:20 am | #

    Jennifer thinks they’re a top, but she’s about to become a bottom.

  57. Adept
    Adept
    March 30, 2025 at 11:59 am | #

    Billie is still her own worst enemy. That cute little nerd’s plan was just about to pay off, but your ego couldn’t handle it.

    • Adept
      Adept
      March 30, 2025 at 11:59 am | #

      Her ego I mean, goddammit.

  58. Kyulen
    Kyulen
    March 30, 2025 at 12:03 pm | #

    No please Jennifer, finish that thought. It’ll be funny.

  59. M!a
    M!a
    March 30, 2025 at 12:05 pm | #

    Trying to remember if she owns any apparel that isn’t in her old high school colors.

    *sighs* If I was just a little less lazy…

    • morleuca
      morleuca
      March 30, 2025 at 2:54 pm | #

      2011, she wore a burgundy cami with jeans

    • Thag Simmons
      Thag Simmons
      March 30, 2025 at 4:02 pm | #

      She absolutely does, but she’s actively trying to recapture her high school experience this chapter so she gets the blue and yellow

    • HueSatLight
      HueSatLight
      March 30, 2025 at 11:50 pm | #

      When she was with Asher, she wore more red and black.

  60. AnonGrouch
    AnonGrouch
    March 30, 2025 at 12:59 pm | #

    As an emotionally intense person myself I can understand where Jennifer is coming from, but emotionally intense people need to learn to be intensely vulnerable for it to work out interpersonally in the end. I’ve known too many counter parts who have only failed trying to avoid doing so. Intensity in anything can get people hurt if you arent honest about your goals and wants. Self awareness is key.

  61. AnonGrouch
    AnonGrouch
    March 30, 2025 at 1:01 pm | #

    The only successful thing Jennifer can do here is 180 run to Joyce and ask for help.

  62. Fesworks
    Fesworks
    March 30, 2025 at 3:38 pm | #

    Man, just when I start to feel bad for Jennifer…. She reminds me why I won’t.

  63. Opus the Poet
    Opus the Poet
    March 30, 2025 at 5:14 pm | #

    Having just paid for Willis’ erotic Patreon and having seen several versions of Joyce’s ass, I can say with authority Joyce’s ass is buff in both universes, but moreso in the Dumbingverse. And I can also say in the Walkyverse Joyce is a fucking MACHINE.

  64. Schpoonman
    Schpoonman
    March 30, 2025 at 5:43 pm | #

    I know we’re all about how hot Alice is, and she is, but she’s got a PS1 Tomb Raider bust in panel 4 and next to Jennifer it’s missing.

    • V98
      V98
      March 30, 2025 at 7:01 pm | #

      Some girls have smaller, pointier boobs! It’s normal, and they’re beautiful!

  65. NGPZ
    NGPZ
    March 30, 2025 at 7:27 pm | #

    my comment on top must have been reported by accident too many times, something real easy to do on mobile :0

    • NGPZ
      NGPZ
      March 30, 2025 at 7:30 pm | #

      here’s the link it had to Sal’s “Rebranding” remark

      and you can still see the original comment here:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20250330061406/https://www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/book-15/03-me-and-who-you-say-i-was-yesterday/mousey/

  66. Felian
    Felian
    March 30, 2025 at 7:45 pm | #

    Is it mean that i’m rooting for Jennifer to fall on her face with all this “alpha-bongo headcheerleader i need to be the best” pretentious crap?

    I hope Alice keeps calling her out.

    You don’t win back friends by showcasing how cool and sociable you are.

  67. Tessea
    Tessea
    March 30, 2025 at 10:00 pm | #

    Alice _is_ very pretty.

  68. Suet
    Suet
    March 30, 2025 at 10:37 pm | #

    Like I said, Jennifer, if you wait long enough, true happiness will come to you. And you haven’t been quite as happy since the early days of being with Asher.

    No I don’t think whatever Jennifer said in Panel 2 would make a great book title, either

  69. Carla's #2 Fan
    Carla's #2 Fan
    March 31, 2025 at 8:20 am | #

    If we are to believe Jennifer that she’s the Alpha, Asher was the mousey little nerd. Given how close in time these events were, I’d say that label is transferable.

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