Might still be.
I’m not convinced that Dina intended any more than some time alone to blow off steam before returning to talk.
Future comics might prove me wrong, but I’m betting Becky is jumping the gun on the breakup.
Switching things up today and making a becky appreciation thread: I like the constrast of her saying that she is very much jealous of their relationship but refusing to let Dorothy take blame or fell bad because of it. Even through that hurt she still cares about her.
Becky telling Dorothy to fuck off with that nonsense makes me very happy, because she’s absolutely right that this is a thing between her and Dina and nobody else (and it’s a way of calling out Dorothy’s spirally bullshit without demonizing her; like it’s just not appropriate or factually accurate to the situation). I’m also pleased to see she’s woken up actually really clear-headed about things, makes me feel a lot better about her health.
But I didn’t need a Becky appreciation thread. I’ve always liked her, even when I was a bit irritated at her being the only person having a problem with Doyce getting screen time at the time lol.
I wish Becky and Walky could hang out more, I just really like the goofy chemistry they have but they rarely get to just hang out casual style together
I’ve always been a Becky fan, but I’ve been really impressed with her maturity and clear-headedness in this sequence. She refuses to make any excuses or place any blame on other people for her issues. I feel like if she could talk to Dina the way she’s been talking to Dorothy, she’d have a very good chance of patching things up.
One thing I actually really like here is the very distinctly implied reason that she is more articulate now than yesterday is because, we’ve literally seen her spending all day thinking about this. Every single strip she’s been in has been her wandering around clearly just stewing in her actions and how she feels.
Notoriously, suicidal depression can look a lot like “maturity and clear-headedness”. I am very very very worried for Becky. She’s clearly arrived at “everyone leaves me because I am the problem” which is an extremely hazardous belief to have.
Thank you, Becky, for immediately slapping down Dorothy’s claim of responsibility! Given who Dorothy is, it was obvious she was going to feel like it was her fault, but that’s not hers to claim.
I also love that Becky was going to ask to be ground into the floor for her birthday.
I am reminded of a quote from Gundam Wing, of all places, Duo Maxwell (a smartass of a character) talking about Quatre (a sensitive, empathetic type of character):
“If you leave him alone Quatre always takes the blame himself for everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he starts saying that his lack of effort is the reason there is no air in outer space. “
I am here for any reference to Gundam Wing and Duo was absolutely right in that assessment of Quatre. I will be waiting for Dorothy to blame herself for there being no air in space.
I’ll be so real, I don’t remember the last time a comic’s punchline has actually made me crack into a real-life giggle, but Dorothy’s expression in the last panel broke me. I’m still grinning a bit every time I scroll up to it.
Between wanting to be ground into the floor and smooshed flat under someone I feel like Becky and Joyce have proven to be compatible in desires. That’s the real tragedy of all this.
Becky’s right. I want to hug her forever and ever, but she’s not ready for a relationship while she still feels this way about Joyce. I don’t blame her at all for her feelings, but it’s not fair to Dina.
It’s good that Becky is talking about this stuff, although I personally feel like the fat that Dororthy immediately starts catastrophizing about how this is All Her Fault which Becky has to snap her out of is a pretty good indication that Dorothy is not the ideal person for her to be talking about it with
Has Becky not considered apologizing, and talking with Dina? Dina’s isn’t an idiot, and I’m sure that on some level she can understand why Becky is hurt. Dina is also hurt by Becky’s still having jealousy over Joyce, but I think that talking to her would be a good thing for both of them.
I feel like 90% of the conflicts and problems that come up in this comic can be solved by people talking and thus that is basically guaranteed to not happen or be the last thing that happens.
Becky is depressed. She’s stuck right now in a mental place where not only is she to blame for everything, but anything she tries to fix it will inevitably fail. The fact that this is nit congruent with observable reality isn’t a factor in her decision-making right now. Perhaps talking it out with Dotty will let her think that part through. (No, I don’t anticipate Dorothy actually being helpful – that’s really not her strong point, no matter what she thinks.)
I think it’s a good idea to get her head together for a day before going over to talk to Dina. Blurting stuff out in the moment, while feeling the most raw and self-destructive, was not so helpful to them.
I think it might occur to her when she’s done catastrophizing. Right now she’s in the trauma (for lack of a better word) of feeling like she ruined her first relationship since exploding out of the closet, which having been there, is a doozy. My parental “what if I disappointed them for nothing” are probably nothing compared to that, plus orphan.
I’m here for “I’m not the most subtle girl and she’s got self respect” because it applies to just about every gd couple the comic has ever had. Except maybe Ruth/Billie but they would both claim the other has self respect despite neither being subtle nor self-respecting.
We don”t have enough data. The only relationship we have more than one decay measurement for is Dorothy/Walky. There are quantum uncertainty issues with the second Joe/Joyce relationship, in that they currently exist in a superposed state where they are simultaneously both broken up and not broken up until a conversation collapses the dateform.
It obvious that Dorothy would feel responsible. If Joyce were here instead of Dorothy she probably would have said the same thing.
But what’s good is that Becky shoulders the responsibility of her relationship and says “No, I’m the one who fucked up.” Because it means she’s thinking rationally (in some aspects I think she is catastrophizing a bit) about her and Dina’s relationship. It woulda been real easy to say “Yeah it’s all y’all’s fault, and you should feel bad!”
She just needs to sit down and have a talk with Dina
Well I guess that’s the new question: how does Becky get over Joyce once and for all? It’s a shame that Joyce isn’t currently at her most insufferably cringe with biology class imminent. Truly, there’s nothing that could shatter the pedestal in Becky’s mind.
Honestly, at this point I think only therapy would work. This isn’t just about Joyce. This is Becky running towards rock bottom emotionally. I hope that if she gets there, she gets proper help.
Leave the country / state, have no contact with any of these people or circumstances and build a new life, which puts all this into perspective.
Or just give it a lot of time, patiently. The world will keep moving and Backy will keep having to deal with whatever it does and that tends to distract and offer perspecive in itself.
I think it’s not so much tone deafness as she knows that Dina has been trying to convince Becky towards science = more accurate than the bible. It’s not quite the right detail to focus on, but since she presumably doesn’t know the full story of part 1 “you are proof to me that god exists”, she can’t work out the full harm the statement did.
well she wasn’t there when becky was like “you’re proof that he (god) does (exist)” as opposed to just knowing Dina is atheist/agnostic and most ppl’s general dislike of religion/ or at least her and joyce’s fundie upbringing
It’s just… honest? Dina herself said she would normally be pleased that Becky had become an atheist but she didn’t like that it was a reactionary thing to Joyce. If Dina wanted something, and got that something, it’s reasonable for a third party (Dorothy) to be confused why that something made her upset instead of delighted.
Genuinely impressed with Becky’s emotional maturity in realising not only what she said that hurt Dina, and not blaming Joyce and Dorothy. It’s one thing to say that yes, someone’s actions were the catalyst for your own; another to lay the blame entirely on them. Good smarting of age here Becky.
The real tragedy is that Becky is not jealous of Dotty’s relationship with Joyce. She’s envious. Jealousy is unreasonable possessiveness over something that belongs to you. Enviousness is unreasonable possessiveness over something that doesn’t belong to you.
Yes, it’s a tragedy that kids can get into college without knowing that much.
Well, in USA English, many think what you say is correct (Homer Simpson apparently said this), but in usage, both can be used of someone else’s stuff. However, in romantic relationships jealous is the one used, not envious.
But where I grew up, envy was not critical of of what the other person has, just that you want it too, and jealousy was basically where you thought you should have the thing and it was *wrong* that the other person has it.
I think it would be unwise to die in a ditch over meanings that vary over time and place.
yeah, Homer Simpson is the one that introduced this into common discussions, but… like… the official definition of jealousy USES THE WORD ENVY. It’s not a distinction that actually matters, that most people don’t make, and therefore language has adapted it away. It’s just trivia, not something to feel weirdly superior for knowing, like Thor seems to think e.e
Tony and Sarah, Jacob and Lucy, Charlie and Carla are all strong stable relationships, currently. All of that may change by end of storyline, tho (I doubt it, but all things are possible if Willis wills it).
Maybe, just maybe, Becky could actually talk with Dina about this instead of assuming they’re broken up forever and can’t possibly get back together. But I guess that would make too much sense.
Dorothy, you’re already trying to fix all of Joyce’s problems for her. Do you have enough bandwidth to do that and fix all of Becky’s problems for her and ignore all your own problems too?
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the becky shall be reduced to a soup-like homogenate, by way of dina
or, uh, she would have been, anyway
Might still be.
I’m not convinced that Dina intended any more than some time alone to blow off steam before returning to talk.
Future comics might prove me wrong, but I’m betting Becky is jumping the gun on the breakup.
I’m hoping a talk(tm) is incoming. Dina is very emotionally mature.
Patience… Patience!
Only the Dinatron reduces an entire lesbian to a soup-like homogenate in 30 seconds.
becky and dina’s relationship was yet another stepping stone to be sacrificed on dorothy’s pitiless march to power
Future President Doris? No, Future GOD-EMPRESS Doris.
She’s going to steal ALL the girlfriends! Her harem will span the cosmos!
The real cheating will be Dorothy with Becky, solid.
(/j)
joyce would be clapping and cheering for them in her chair
I’d love to see Becky deal with the fact that Joyce *can* be into her, but only voyeuristically when she’s with Dotty
Joyce’s interests include Dorothy and Dorothy accessories.
It would show an incredible amount of leadership in both of them!
Whoops, accidentally reported this while trying to reply. But that would be *such* a funny wrench to throw into the situation, I’m all for it
Actually it’ll be Alice with Dina, after a disastrous bowling night.
I feel certain that Joyce and Dorothy have not forgotten bowling and it is at the top of their list of concerns.
Don’t trust birthdays, including mine, which is today.
Hap Birf
😆🧻🐦@
(Ha – pee – bird – “A”)
(🥳🕯🎊🎈🎂🎁🍰🧁)
For your birthday you get actual communication between Becky and Dorothy. It’s something.
Trust me, there are worse birthday gifts.
Happy Birthday to you!
The world is a zoo!
We wish you a great party!
Aaaaaand some sweet presents too!
🥳 🪅 🎉 🎂 🎈 🎊 🎁
Happy Distrustday
Mine’s in three days! I COMMAND you to enjoy yours more than I will enjoy mine
Can you give an idea of how much you’re planning to enjoy yours so they have a baseline to go from?
You’re not planning on enjoying yours, Ray? Awww, come on! You can do it!
HBD 🥳
Birthday buddies? Birthday buddies!
Happy Birthday.
Honestly this is going way better than any of us expected.
Give it a strip or two.
Yeeeeeah I think she’s catastrophizing.
Switching things up today and making a becky appreciation thread: I like the constrast of her saying that she is very much jealous of their relationship but refusing to let Dorothy take blame or fell bad because of it. Even through that hurt she still cares about her.
The hair legit looks better on her than Dorothy. On Dorothy it just looks corporate, on Becky it looks futch.
Becky telling Dorothy to fuck off with that nonsense makes me very happy, because she’s absolutely right that this is a thing between her and Dina and nobody else (and it’s a way of calling out Dorothy’s spirally bullshit without demonizing her; like it’s just not appropriate or factually accurate to the situation). I’m also pleased to see she’s woken up actually really clear-headed about things, makes me feel a lot better about her health.
But I didn’t need a Becky appreciation thread. I’ve always liked her, even when I was a bit irritated at her being the only person having a problem with Doyce getting screen time at the time lol.
Becky is both self-aware and also her own worst critic.
I wish Becky and Walky could hang out more, I just really like the goofy chemistry they have but they rarely get to just hang out casual style together
I’ve always been a Becky fan, but I’ve been really impressed with her maturity and clear-headedness in this sequence. She refuses to make any excuses or place any blame on other people for her issues. I feel like if she could talk to Dina the way she’s been talking to Dorothy, she’d have a very good chance of patching things up.
As someone who hasn’t always been the biggest Becky fan, huge agree here. Her pessimism comes with a lot of twilight valor
One thing I actually really like here is the very distinctly implied reason that she is more articulate now than yesterday is because, we’ve literally seen her spending all day thinking about this. Every single strip she’s been in has been her wandering around clearly just stewing in her actions and how she feels.
Notoriously, suicidal depression can look a lot like “maturity and clear-headedness”. I am very very very worried for Becky. She’s clearly arrived at “everyone leaves me because I am the problem” which is an extremely hazardous belief to have.
I love Becky. She’s sometimes frustrating, but so is just about everyone else in the cast with much focus, and I love a lot of them, too.
It seems like Dorothy Has some of her message reversed, the grinding should be distinct.
Thank you, Becky, for immediately slapping down Dorothy’s claim of responsibility! Given who Dorothy is, it was obvious she was going to feel like it was her fault, but that’s not hers to claim.
I also love that Becky was going to ask to be ground into the floor for her birthday.
I am reminded of a quote from Gundam Wing, of all places, Duo Maxwell (a smartass of a character) talking about Quatre (a sensitive, empathetic type of character):
“If you leave him alone Quatre always takes the blame himself for everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he starts saying that his lack of effort is the reason there is no air in outer space. “
I am here for any reference to Gundam Wing and Duo was absolutely right in that assessment of Quatre. I will be waiting for Dorothy to blame herself for there being no air in space.
The only way to settle this is for Dorothy to hook up with Dina while Becky & Joyce “grind pelvises into the floor”.
The strangest double-date of all time.
Nah, Becky and Dorothy need to fuck it out while Joyce and Dina observe from the Joyce chair.
Dina would NEVER.
She would leave at least SOME of Becky’s pelvis intact, somewhere that it had a chance of fossilizing.
Well now that’s an unusual take on boning …
I know things are rough in general with a ton of raw emotions but dang Dot, you really gonna ask for examples on the “things (she) can’t take back”?
Like I get why she’d ask but also, fucking oof girl
I’ll be so real, I don’t remember the last time a comic’s punchline has actually made me crack into a real-life giggle, but Dorothy’s expression in the last panel broke me. I’m still grinning a bit every time I scroll up to it.
Between wanting to be ground into the floor and smooshed flat under someone I feel like Becky and Joyce have proven to be compatible in desires. That’s the real tragedy of all this.
“And so… they were both bottoms.”
They both want to be the smooshee, not the smoosher.
There’s still time, Becky. If you make it work then you can still be turned into an unrecognizable stain
Becky’s right. I want to hug her forever and ever, but she’s not ready for a relationship while she still feels this way about Joyce. I don’t blame her at all for her feelings, but it’s not fair to Dina.
It’s good that Becky is talking about this stuff, although I personally feel like the fat that Dororthy immediately starts catastrophizing about how this is All Her Fault which Becky has to snap her out of is a pretty good indication that Dorothy is not the ideal person for her to be talking about it with
Dorothy might not be able to solve it, but sometimes speaking your problems out loud makes the next step more obvious.
Yeah at the very least Dorothy is a rubber duck here.
I don’t think Becky’s going to seek out someone to talk about this stuff to.
Becky’s only snapping her out of it to put the spotlight back on her.
Has Becky not considered apologizing, and talking with Dina? Dina’s isn’t an idiot, and I’m sure that on some level she can understand why Becky is hurt. Dina is also hurt by Becky’s still having jealousy over Joyce, but I think that talking to her would be a good thing for both of them.
I feel like 90% of the conflicts and problems that come up in this comic can be solved by people talking and thus that is basically guaranteed to not happen or be the last thing that happens.
also in real life
Becky is depressed. She’s stuck right now in a mental place where not only is she to blame for everything, but anything she tries to fix it will inevitably fail. The fact that this is nit congruent with observable reality isn’t a factor in her decision-making right now. Perhaps talking it out with Dotty will let her think that part through. (No, I don’t anticipate Dorothy actually being helpful – that’s really not her strong point, no matter what she thinks.)
I think it’s a good idea to get her head together for a day before going over to talk to Dina. Blurting stuff out in the moment, while feeling the most raw and self-destructive, was not so helpful to them.
Becky is deliberately exploding her life. With God and Dina and herself.
I think it might occur to her when she’s done catastrophizing. Right now she’s in the trauma (for lack of a better word) of feeling like she ruined her first relationship since exploding out of the closet, which having been there, is a doozy. My parental “what if I disappointed them for nothing” are probably nothing compared to that, plus orphan.
chapter title drop, sorta
What’s your candidate. I see several.
The actual chapter title is in the URL. Darkoneko wasn’t saying there were potential titles: the actual title was mentioned in the text.
I’m here for “I’m not the most subtle girl and she’s got self respect” because it applies to just about every gd couple the comic has ever had. Except maybe Ruth/Billie but they would both claim the other has self respect despite neither being subtle nor self-respecting.
Waiting for Dina to come out from behind the door.
^This
We have a pattern developing here. Dorothy is getting input on all the unfortunate repercussions of her and Joyce. Joyce, not so much.
I’d noticed that as well. I have my misgivings about the plot but I hope the cognitive disonance doesn’t break up the shift after the impact it had.
Joyce is getting input (Radish, Asma, Sarah, Walky), she just isn’t willing to listen to any of it.
(Raidah not Radish but also…damn it’s all PoC)
Loved Radish, s being so close to a. We had an unpopular mayor with the surname Radich, needless to say he got called Radish.
“Most Stable Relationship”?
We need a Periodic Table of DoA Relationships, by half-life!
We don”t have enough data. The only relationship we have more than one decay measurement for is Dorothy/Walky. There are quantum uncertainty issues with the second Joe/Joyce relationship, in that they currently exist in a superposed state where they are simultaneously both broken up and not broken up until a conversation collapses the dateform.
It obvious that Dorothy would feel responsible. If Joyce were here instead of Dorothy she probably would have said the same thing.
But what’s good is that Becky shoulders the responsibility of her relationship and says “No, I’m the one who fucked up.” Because it means she’s thinking rationally (in some aspects I think she is catastrophizing a bit) about her and Dina’s relationship. It woulda been real easy to say “Yeah it’s all y’all’s fault, and you should feel bad!”
She just needs to sit down and have a talk with Dina
Well I guess that’s the new question: how does Becky get over Joyce once and for all? It’s a shame that Joyce isn’t currently at her most insufferably cringe with biology class imminent. Truly, there’s nothing that could shatter the pedestal in Becky’s mind.
I super want to believe Becky is being healthy about this. I really do.
Honestly, at this point I think only therapy would work. This isn’t just about Joyce. This is Becky running towards rock bottom emotionally. I hope that if she gets there, she gets proper help.
Leave the country / state, have no contact with any of these people or circumstances and build a new life, which puts all this into perspective.
Or just give it a lot of time, patiently. The world will keep moving and Backy will keep having to deal with whatever it does and that tends to distract and offer perspecive in itself.
Dorothy’s reaction to losing faith in God is, “That would make you better off with your girlfriend.’
Wow.
That is beyond tone deaf.
She should try, “Maybe Joyce will find you attractive now. Atheism gets her hot.”
I think it’s not so much tone deafness as she knows that Dina has been trying to convince Becky towards science = more accurate than the bible. It’s not quite the right detail to focus on, but since she presumably doesn’t know the full story of part 1 “you are proof to me that god exists”, she can’t work out the full harm the statement did.
well she wasn’t there when becky was like “you’re proof that he (god) does (exist)” as opposed to just knowing Dina is atheist/agnostic and most ppl’s general dislike of religion/ or at least her and joyce’s fundie upbringing
It’s just… honest? Dina herself said she would normally be pleased that Becky had become an atheist but she didn’t like that it was a reactionary thing to Joyce. If Dina wanted something, and got that something, it’s reasonable for a third party (Dorothy) to be confused why that something made her upset instead of delighted.
She’s simply responding to Dina being super atheist.
I mean, Becky just immediately confirms it, it seems more like Dorothy knowing her audience
Genuinely impressed with Becky’s emotional maturity in realising not only what she said that hurt Dina, and not blaming Joyce and Dorothy. It’s one thing to say that yes, someone’s actions were the catalyst for your own; another to lay the blame entirely on them. Good smarting of age here Becky.
The real tragedy is that Becky is not jealous of Dotty’s relationship with Joyce. She’s envious. Jealousy is unreasonable possessiveness over something that belongs to you. Enviousness is unreasonable possessiveness over something that doesn’t belong to you.
Yes, it’s a tragedy that kids can get into college without knowing that much.
Well, in USA English, many think what you say is correct (Homer Simpson apparently said this), but in usage, both can be used of someone else’s stuff. However, in romantic relationships jealous is the one used, not envious.
But where I grew up, envy was not critical of of what the other person has, just that you want it too, and jealousy was basically where you thought you should have the thing and it was *wrong* that the other person has it.
I think it would be unwise to die in a ditch over meanings that vary over time and place.
yeah, Homer Simpson is the one that introduced this into common discussions, but… like… the official definition of jealousy USES THE WORD ENVY. It’s not a distinction that actually matters, that most people don’t make, and therefore language has adapted it away. It’s just trivia, not something to feel weirdly superior for knowing, like Thor seems to think e.e
Dorothy ran over my son.
Becky ran over my son’s father.
Dorothy was Asgore all along, now everything make sense!
Now, only you remain, and Joyce just got behind the wheel of a car.
No no, the boy’s mother is still around. For now.
Here’s the real solution. You and Dina talk-talk-talking… closure!
if they’re no longer a solid couple, that leaves us with… them? really?
Tony and Sarah, Jacob and Lucy, Charlie and Carla are all strong stable relationships, currently. All of that may change by end of storyline, tho (I doubt it, but all things are possible if Willis wills it).
You’re forgetting Sal and Danny. Who are so stable that they are boring (in a good way). Which I get the feeling is the joke.
Wow that fourth panel. :O
Becky being far more grown up and logical than so many commenters during the last months. :/
Your mom is grown up and logical.
Maybe, just maybe, Becky could actually talk with Dina about this instead of assuming they’re broken up forever and can’t possibly get back together. But I guess that would make too much sense.
Dorothy, you’re already trying to fix all of Joyce’s problems for her. Do you have enough bandwidth to do that and fix all of Becky’s problems for her and ignore all your own problems too?
Hey, the more people’s problems she can shoehorn into her schedule, the less time she has for thinking about her own! It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
damn i really love this comic. I really like these characters.