Might still be.
I’m not convinced that Dina intended any more than some time alone to blow off steam before returning to talk.
Future comics might prove me wrong, but I’m betting Becky is jumping the gun on the breakup.
That was my takeaway from the last Becky/Dina interaction. That Dina, who seems to have an elevated EQ with Becky, was just going to give Becky the space she needed to work her stuff out.
Switching things up today and making a becky appreciation thread: I like the constrast of her saying that she is very much jealous of their relationship but refusing to let Dorothy take blame or fell bad because of it. Even through that hurt she still cares about her.
Becky telling Dorothy to fuck off with that nonsense makes me very happy, because she’s absolutely right that this is a thing between her and Dina and nobody else (and it’s a way of calling out Dorothy’s spirally bullshit without demonizing her; like it’s just not appropriate or factually accurate to the situation). I’m also pleased to see she’s woken up actually really clear-headed about things, makes me feel a lot better about her health.
But I didn’t need a Becky appreciation thread. I’ve always liked her, even when I was a bit irritated at her being the only person having a problem with Doyce getting screen time at the time lol.
I wish Becky and Walky could hang out more, I just really like the goofy chemistry they have but they rarely get to just hang out casual style together
I’ve always been a Becky fan, but I’ve been really impressed with her maturity and clear-headedness in this sequence. She refuses to make any excuses or place any blame on other people for her issues. I feel like if she could talk to Dina the way she’s been talking to Dorothy, she’d have a very good chance of patching things up.
One thing I actually really like here is the very distinctly implied reason that she is more articulate now than yesterday is because, we’ve literally seen her spending all day thinking about this. Every single strip she’s been in has been her wandering around clearly just stewing in her actions and how she feels.
Notoriously, suicidal depression can look a lot like “maturity and clear-headedness”. I am very very very worried for Becky. She’s clearly arrived at “everyone leaves me because I am the problem” which is an extremely hazardous belief to have.
Yeah, not entirely happy with all the praise for Becky being mature and self aware when the evidence for that is basically just self-blame. It’s kind of fair here, since she’s reached the right conclusion about Dorothy, but we don’t really know if she got there by the right route or if she’s just jumping to self-blame for everything.
Thank you, Becky, for immediately slapping down Dorothy’s claim of responsibility! Given who Dorothy is, it was obvious she was going to feel like it was her fault, but that’s not hers to claim.
I also love that Becky was going to ask to be ground into the floor for her birthday.
I am reminded of a quote from Gundam Wing, of all places, Duo Maxwell (a smartass of a character) talking about Quatre (a sensitive, empathetic type of character):
“If you leave him alone Quatre always takes the blame himself for everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he starts saying that his lack of effort is the reason there is no air in outer space. “
I am here for any reference to Gundam Wing and Duo was absolutely right in that assessment of Quatre. I will be waiting for Dorothy to blame herself for there being no air in space.
I’ll be so real, I don’t remember the last time a comic’s punchline has actually made me crack into a real-life giggle, but Dorothy’s expression in the last panel broke me. I’m still grinning a bit every time I scroll up to it.
Between wanting to be ground into the floor and smooshed flat under someone I feel like Becky and Joyce have proven to be compatible in desires. That’s the real tragedy of all this.
Becky’s right. I want to hug her forever and ever, but she’s not ready for a relationship while she still feels this way about Joyce. I don’t blame her at all for her feelings, but it’s not fair to Dina.
It’s good that Becky is talking about this stuff, although I personally feel like the fat that Dororthy immediately starts catastrophizing about how this is All Her Fault which Becky has to snap her out of is a pretty good indication that Dorothy is not the ideal person for her to be talking about it with
Dorothy has some stuff to feel guilty over… but this isn’t it. I do think that part of the reason why Dorothy is immediately assuming blame over Becky/Dina is that she knows that she otherwise hasn’t been acting according to her moral standards.
The logic is “If I just act responsibly always I have the power to make the world good” therefore “I acted badly, now the bad things in the world are my fault”.
Dorothy has a lot of belief in her own ability to change the world, which inspires her to work harder, but sometimes the problem just isn’t something you can fix yourself.
Has Becky not considered apologizing, and talking with Dina? Dina’s isn’t an idiot, and I’m sure that on some level she can understand why Becky is hurt. Dina is also hurt by Becky’s still having jealousy over Joyce, but I think that talking to her would be a good thing for both of them.
I feel like 90% of the conflicts and problems that come up in this comic can be solved by people talking and thus that is basically guaranteed to not happen or be the last thing that happens.
Becky is depressed. She’s stuck right now in a mental place where not only is she to blame for everything, but anything she tries to fix it will inevitably fail. The fact that this is nit congruent with observable reality isn’t a factor in her decision-making right now. Perhaps talking it out with Dotty will let her think that part through. (No, I don’t anticipate Dorothy actually being helpful – that’s really not her strong point, no matter what she thinks.)
I think it’s a good idea to get her head together for a day before going over to talk to Dina. Blurting stuff out in the moment, while feeling the most raw and self-destructive, was not so helpful to them.
I think it might occur to her when she’s done catastrophizing. Right now she’s in the trauma (for lack of a better word) of feeling like she ruined her first relationship since exploding out of the closet, which having been there, is a doozy. My parental “what if I disappointed them for nothing” are probably nothing compared to that, plus orphan.
An apology would likely work… but Becky first needs to believe herself to be someone worthy of being forgiven.
“I’m the problem, I suck.” => “I deserve to lose Dina and suffer for my sins”
It’s a problem with punitive morality, because instead of inspiring people to take right, corrective action to make the world better, it sometimes inspires people to just feel bad and do nothing.
Dina connected with charlie over autism and dinosaurs and left with her and Becky had a crisis of abandonment for the entire hour it took to find them again. Keep in mind Becky has almost certainly been abused by her father for everything under the sun. This kind of beating for disobedience makes you anxious and self-destructive in times of instability.
It is exactly Becky’s outlook on life to have Dina be actually upset with her for an entirely legitimate reason — “you are still not over your best friend, even after all this time, even after I put aside that fear that you weren’t” — and assume the absolute worst possible interpretation of events. Why would she have to doubt such an event? She probably remembers all the wooden spoon beatings for sneaking out at night to watch an R-rated movie. Getting caught is proof the worst thing is coming.
I’m here for “I’m not the most subtle girl and she’s got self respect” because it applies to just about every gd couple the comic has ever had. Except maybe Ruth/Billie but they would both claim the other has self respect despite neither being subtle nor self-respecting.
she at the very least should listen to Sarah; if only because she’s her opinion on the matter comes from a place of caring about Joe and her’s relationship.
Asma was kind of more about the whole issue with the protest, and them accidentally stealing the spotlight, and it being kind of a “judging you for not keepin it in your pants” situation.
Raidah hasn’t exactly ever really been showing herself in the best light, and I still think her using systemic homophobia as a weird gotcha to scare or threaten Joyce was like, the WORST way she could’ve tried to at least shame her or get at her. Instead it seems to have made her view gay people as even more deserving of respect, in a weirdly objectifying way. So Mission Failed Successfully, Radish lol
Walky has his own issues, and while I agree he got a raw deal here, he’s probably the one out of this group that would have the least effective conversation with Joyce about anything serious.
We don”t have enough data. The only relationship we have more than one decay measurement for is Dorothy/Walky. There are quantum uncertainty issues with the second Joe/Joyce relationship, in that they currently exist in a superposed state where they are simultaneously both broken up and not broken up until a conversation collapses the dateform.
Yeeeah.. the majority of folks Joyce has dismissed being PoC is an uncomfortable unfortunate pattern. Even includes Sal and Lucy who pointed out earlier that Joyce having sex with a woman makes her gay/Bi, only for Joyce to turn around and call em all a bunch of STRAIGHTS (and Jennifer). Hopefully this pattern breaks soon, otherwise YIKES
It obvious that Dorothy would feel responsible. If Joyce were here instead of Dorothy she probably would have said the same thing.
But what’s good is that Becky shoulders the responsibility of her relationship and says “No, I’m the one who fucked up.” Because it means she’s thinking rationally (in some aspects I think she is catastrophizing a bit) about her and Dina’s relationship. It woulda been real easy to say “Yeah it’s all y’all’s fault, and you should feel bad!”
She just needs to sit down and have a talk with Dina
Well I guess that’s the new question: how does Becky get over Joyce once and for all? It’s a shame that Joyce isn’t currently at her most insufferably cringe with biology class imminent. Truly, there’s nothing that could shatter the pedestal in Becky’s mind.
Honestly, at this point I think only therapy would work. This isn’t just about Joyce. This is Becky running towards rock bottom emotionally. I hope that if she gets there, she gets proper help.
Leave the country / state, have no contact with any of these people or circumstances and build a new life, which puts all this into perspective.
Or just give it a lot of time, patiently. The world will keep moving and Backy will keep having to deal with whatever it does and that tends to distract and offer perspecive in itself.
Yeah I don’t think uprooting Becky’s life after she fought so hard to be at this school with this support system is a good idea, faulty as it is right now. It’s also not realistic given the bounds of the webcomic. There’s as much time as Willis wants, but we’ll experience it at a glacial pace. Until further notice, I’m still banking on Joyce making such an ass of herself that it gives Becky a reality check on how good she has it with Dina.
I think it’s not so much tone deafness as she knows that Dina has been trying to convince Becky towards science = more accurate than the bible. It’s not quite the right detail to focus on, but since she presumably doesn’t know the full story of part 1 “you are proof to me that god exists”, she can’t work out the full harm the statement did.
well she wasn’t there when becky was like “you’re proof that he (god) does (exist)” as opposed to just knowing Dina is atheist/agnostic and most ppl’s general dislike of religion/ or at least her and joyce’s fundie upbringing
It’s just… honest? Dina herself said she would normally be pleased that Becky had become an atheist but she didn’t like that it was a reactionary thing to Joyce. If Dina wanted something, and got that something, it’s reasonable for a third party (Dorothy) to be confused why that something made her upset instead of delighted.
If it was out of the blue, sure, but they’re talking about how she and Dina broke up, so it makes sense to be confused about why something Dina would like would break them up.
Genuinely impressed with Becky’s emotional maturity in realising not only what she said that hurt Dina, and not blaming Joyce and Dorothy. It’s one thing to say that yes, someone’s actions were the catalyst for your own; another to lay the blame entirely on them. Good smarting of age here Becky.
The real tragedy is that Becky is not jealous of Dotty’s relationship with Joyce. She’s envious. Jealousy is unreasonable possessiveness over something that belongs to you. Enviousness is unreasonable possessiveness over something that doesn’t belong to you.
Yes, it’s a tragedy that kids can get into college without knowing that much.
Well, in USA English, many think what you say is correct (Homer Simpson apparently said this), but in usage, both can be used of someone else’s stuff. However, in romantic relationships jealous is the one used, not envious.
But where I grew up, envy was not critical of of what the other person has, just that you want it too, and jealousy was basically where you thought you should have the thing and it was *wrong* that the other person has it.
I think it would be unwise to die in a ditch over meanings that vary over time and place.
yeah, Homer Simpson is the one that introduced this into common discussions, but… like… the official definition of jealousy USES THE WORD ENVY. It’s not a distinction that actually matters, that most people don’t make, and therefore language has adapted it away. It’s just trivia, not something to feel weirdly superior for knowing, like Thor seems to think e.e
Tony and Sarah, Jacob and Lucy, Charlie and Carla are all strong stable relationships, currently. All of that may change by end of storyline, tho (I doubt it, but all things are possible if Willis wills it).
Maybe, just maybe, Becky could actually talk with Dina about this instead of assuming they’re broken up forever and can’t possibly get back together. But I guess that would make too much sense.
Turn outs when you are going through a depressive episode your brain make you think and do things that are not completely logical! Who would had thunk?
Dorothy, you’re already trying to fix all of Joyce’s problems for her. Do you have enough bandwidth to do that and fix all of Becky’s problems for her and ignore all your own problems too?
Okay so this is the *second* time Becky has explicitly said that she doesn’t think Dorothy or Joyce have wronged her and that she understands that this is a Herself problem (the first being “I knew I shouldn’t have said anything. It’s me. I’m the problem.”). Maybe we won’t continue having such a surprising number of commenters who think that she believes otherwise?
It’d be nice!! She’s just. Hurt, is all. Hurt and can’t help bein’ hurt. She’s not lashing out or acting up. Outside of making weird small talk in an elevator.
You know, I think that if Becky continues on the self-awareness train, she and Dina have a decent shot of getting back together once their emotions all cool down.
Ahh, an excellent birthday gift that many of us need.
(not from dina, per se)
((but someone who cares for us, pelvis-grinding us into greasy paste on the floor. or bed. or table. or top of the fridge.))
People can be into more than one person even if their situation makes them only able to be with one. Becky needs some time to sort through things, but it’s a good sign that she’s clearly still attracted to and longing for Dina. If Dina can be assured of this, that would be good too.
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the becky shall be reduced to a soup-like homogenate, by way of dina
or, uh, she would have been, anyway
Might still be.
I’m not convinced that Dina intended any more than some time alone to blow off steam before returning to talk.
Future comics might prove me wrong, but I’m betting Becky is jumping the gun on the breakup.
I’m hoping a talk(tm) is incoming. Dina is very emotionally mature.
That was my takeaway from the last Becky/Dina interaction. That Dina, who seems to have an elevated EQ with Becky, was just going to give Becky the space she needed to work her stuff out.
Patience… Patience!
Only the Dinatron reduces an entire lesbian to a soup-like homogenate in 30 seconds.
thank you for remembering the reference i was trying to make better than i did lmao
(i don’t rememeber which WTYP episode had the Safety Third about that, i want to go back and re-listen to it)
hey now; until we hear Dina say it’s over, Becky can still be ground to sapphic powder by christmas.
becky and dina’s relationship was yet another stepping stone to be sacrificed on dorothy’s pitiless march to power
Future President Doris? No, Future GOD-EMPRESS Doris.
She’s going to steal ALL the girlfriends! Her harem will span the cosmos!
Hail Dorothy, World Empress! May her reign and lesbian harem remain when nothing remains!
I don’t think you can blame Dorothy for THIS one. She made it clear she wasn’t into Becky from the start.
I meant Joyce. Sorry. Forget the whole thing.
The real cheating will be Dorothy with Becky, solid.
(/j)
joyce would be clapping and cheering for them in her chair
I’d love to see Becky deal with the fact that Joyce *can* be into her, but only voyeuristically when she’s with Dotty
Joyce’s interests include Dorothy and Dorothy accessories.
I can’t imagine worse than this last reaction, but I know it would be
It would show an incredible amount of leadership in both of them!
Whoops, accidentally reported this while trying to reply. But that would be *such* a funny wrench to throw into the situation, I’m all for it
Actually it’ll be Alice with Dina, after a disastrous bowling night.
I feel certain that Joyce and Dorothy have not forgotten bowling and it is at the top of their list of concerns.
Don’t trust birthdays, including mine, which is today.
Hap Birf
😆🧻🐦@
(Ha – pee – bird – “A”)
(🥳🕯🎊🎈🎂🎁🍰🧁)
For your birthday you get actual communication between Becky and Dorothy. It’s something.
Trust me, there are worse birthday gifts.
Happy Birthday to you!
The world is a zoo!
We wish you a great party!
Aaaaaand some sweet presents too!
🥳 🪅 🎉 🎂 🎈 🎊 🎁
Happy Distrustday
Mine’s in three days! I COMMAND you to enjoy yours more than I will enjoy mine
Can you give an idea of how much you’re planning to enjoy yours so they have a baseline to go from?
You’re not planning on enjoying yours, Ray? Awww, come on! You can do it!
HBD 🥳
Birthday buddies? Birthday buddies!
Birthday buddies! It’s a nice coincidence that the strip on my birthday had a character say “birthday”. Really lined things up.
Happy Birthday.
Hippo Birdie Two Ewes
Honestly this is going way better than any of us expected.
Give it a strip or two.
yes both of them should strip
Yeeeeeah I think she’s catastrophizing.
Switching things up today and making a becky appreciation thread: I like the constrast of her saying that she is very much jealous of their relationship but refusing to let Dorothy take blame or fell bad because of it. Even through that hurt she still cares about her.
The hair legit looks better on her than Dorothy. On Dorothy it just looks corporate, on Becky it looks futch.
Becky telling Dorothy to fuck off with that nonsense makes me very happy, because she’s absolutely right that this is a thing between her and Dina and nobody else (and it’s a way of calling out Dorothy’s spirally bullshit without demonizing her; like it’s just not appropriate or factually accurate to the situation). I’m also pleased to see she’s woken up actually really clear-headed about things, makes me feel a lot better about her health.
But I didn’t need a Becky appreciation thread. I’ve always liked her, even when I was a bit irritated at her being the only person having a problem with Doyce getting screen time at the time lol.
Becky is both self-aware and also her own worst critic.
I wish Becky and Walky could hang out more, I just really like the goofy chemistry they have but they rarely get to just hang out casual style together
I’ve always been a Becky fan, but I’ve been really impressed with her maturity and clear-headedness in this sequence. She refuses to make any excuses or place any blame on other people for her issues. I feel like if she could talk to Dina the way she’s been talking to Dorothy, she’d have a very good chance of patching things up.
As someone who hasn’t always been the biggest Becky fan, huge agree here. Her pessimism comes with a lot of twilight valor
One thing I actually really like here is the very distinctly implied reason that she is more articulate now than yesterday is because, we’ve literally seen her spending all day thinking about this. Every single strip she’s been in has been her wandering around clearly just stewing in her actions and how she feels.
Notoriously, suicidal depression can look a lot like “maturity and clear-headedness”. I am very very very worried for Becky. She’s clearly arrived at “everyone leaves me because I am the problem” which is an extremely hazardous belief to have.
Yeah, not entirely happy with all the praise for Becky being mature and self aware when the evidence for that is basically just self-blame. It’s kind of fair here, since she’s reached the right conclusion about Dorothy, but we don’t really know if she got there by the right route or if she’s just jumping to self-blame for everything.
I love Becky. She’s sometimes frustrating, but so is just about everyone else in the cast with much focus, and I love a lot of them, too.
Becky has gumption
It seems like Dorothy Has some of her message reversed, the grinding should be distinct.
But the what’s left of Becky after the grinding should be indistinct
Thank you, Becky, for immediately slapping down Dorothy’s claim of responsibility! Given who Dorothy is, it was obvious she was going to feel like it was her fault, but that’s not hers to claim.
I also love that Becky was going to ask to be ground into the floor for her birthday.
I am reminded of a quote from Gundam Wing, of all places, Duo Maxwell (a smartass of a character) talking about Quatre (a sensitive, empathetic type of character):
“If you leave him alone Quatre always takes the blame himself for everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day he starts saying that his lack of effort is the reason there is no air in outer space. “
I am here for any reference to Gundam Wing and Duo was absolutely right in that assessment of Quatre. I will be waiting for Dorothy to blame herself for there being no air in space.
If Becky doesn’t believe in God, Dorothy will solve that by becoming God, and to prove her Godness she will turn on the air in space.
But if there’s air in space, how will we know Batman is special?
If anything Becky is too comfortable saying “the problem is me” to let her get away with it.
Granted, the problem *isn’t* her, but Becky can’t accept that yet.
The only way to settle this is for Dorothy to hook up with Dina while Becky & Joyce “grind pelvises into the floor”.
The strangest double-date of all time.
Nah, Becky and Dorothy need to fuck it out while Joyce and Dina observe from the Joyce chair.
Dina and Joyce give theatre director-style feedback.
Dina would NEVER.
She would leave at least SOME of Becky’s pelvis intact, somewhere that it had a chance of fossilizing.
Well now that’s an unusual take on boning …
Dig it.
Digit. Fingers or numerals? You decide.
Dina thinks that people into mummification are amateurs. Fossilization is the true path.
You may enjoy Dr.Jane’s take – https://youtu.be/oHWRwXIa3Sk?si=GVtzguB7v93gLryc&t=488
I know things are rough in general with a ton of raw emotions but dang Dot, you really gonna ask for examples on the “things (she) can’t take back”?
Like I get why she’d ask but also, fucking oof girl
I’ll be so real, I don’t remember the last time a comic’s punchline has actually made me crack into a real-life giggle, but Dorothy’s expression in the last panel broke me. I’m still grinning a bit every time I scroll up to it.
Between wanting to be ground into the floor and smooshed flat under someone I feel like Becky and Joyce have proven to be compatible in desires. That’s the real tragedy of all this.
“And so… they were both bottoms.”
They both want to be the smooshee, not the smoosher.
There’s still time, Becky. If you make it work then you can still be turned into an unrecognizable stain
Becky’s right. I want to hug her forever and ever, but she’s not ready for a relationship while she still feels this way about Joyce. I don’t blame her at all for her feelings, but it’s not fair to Dina.
It’s good that Becky is talking about this stuff, although I personally feel like the fat that Dororthy immediately starts catastrophizing about how this is All Her Fault which Becky has to snap her out of is a pretty good indication that Dorothy is not the ideal person for her to be talking about it with
Dorothy might not be able to solve it, but sometimes speaking your problems out loud makes the next step more obvious.
Yeah at the very least Dorothy is a rubber duck here.
she may also be at least a person who can get Becky to realize Dina technically never said “I’m leaving/breaking up with you”.
I don’t think Becky’s going to seek out someone to talk about this stuff to.
Becky’s only snapping her out of it to put the spotlight back on her.
Yeah, that’s where it should be right now.
Dorothy has some stuff to feel guilty over… but this isn’t it. I do think that part of the reason why Dorothy is immediately assuming blame over Becky/Dina is that she knows that she otherwise hasn’t been acting according to her moral standards.
The logic is “If I just act responsibly always I have the power to make the world good” therefore “I acted badly, now the bad things in the world are my fault”.
Dorothy has a lot of belief in her own ability to change the world, which inspires her to work harder, but sometimes the problem just isn’t something you can fix yourself.
Has Becky not considered apologizing, and talking with Dina? Dina’s isn’t an idiot, and I’m sure that on some level she can understand why Becky is hurt. Dina is also hurt by Becky’s still having jealousy over Joyce, but I think that talking to her would be a good thing for both of them.
I feel like 90% of the conflicts and problems that come up in this comic can be solved by people talking and thus that is basically guaranteed to not happen or be the last thing that happens.
also in real life
Becky is depressed. She’s stuck right now in a mental place where not only is she to blame for everything, but anything she tries to fix it will inevitably fail. The fact that this is nit congruent with observable reality isn’t a factor in her decision-making right now. Perhaps talking it out with Dotty will let her think that part through. (No, I don’t anticipate Dorothy actually being helpful – that’s really not her strong point, no matter what she thinks.)
This. All of this. ^
I think it’s a good idea to get her head together for a day before going over to talk to Dina. Blurting stuff out in the moment, while feeling the most raw and self-destructive, was not so helpful to them.
Becky is deliberately exploding her life. With God and Dina and herself.
I think it might occur to her when she’s done catastrophizing. Right now she’s in the trauma (for lack of a better word) of feeling like she ruined her first relationship since exploding out of the closet, which having been there, is a doozy. My parental “what if I disappointed them for nothing” are probably nothing compared to that, plus orphan.
Talking to each other? Like, directly?? Straight up honest talking without ego or covering up?!?! In THIS economy??
An apology would likely work… but Becky first needs to believe herself to be someone worthy of being forgiven.
“I’m the problem, I suck.” => “I deserve to lose Dina and suffer for my sins”
It’s a problem with punitive morality, because instead of inspiring people to take right, corrective action to make the world better, it sometimes inspires people to just feel bad and do nothing.
Dina connected with charlie over autism and dinosaurs and left with her and Becky had a crisis of abandonment for the entire hour it took to find them again. Keep in mind Becky has almost certainly been abused by her father for everything under the sun. This kind of beating for disobedience makes you anxious and self-destructive in times of instability.
It is exactly Becky’s outlook on life to have Dina be actually upset with her for an entirely legitimate reason — “you are still not over your best friend, even after all this time, even after I put aside that fear that you weren’t” — and assume the absolute worst possible interpretation of events. Why would she have to doubt such an event? She probably remembers all the wooden spoon beatings for sneaking out at night to watch an R-rated movie. Getting caught is proof the worst thing is coming.
chapter title drop, sorta
What’s your candidate. I see several.
The actual chapter title is in the URL. Darkoneko wasn’t saying there were potential titles: the actual title was mentioned in the text.
Dumbing of Age Book 16: Her Pelvis Should Be Grinding You Indistinctly Into The Floor Right Now.
(Side note: I just noticed two chapters ahead is “What a RARR! Mood I’m in” and I wonder-if/hope-that it might feature Dina heavily)
I’m here for “I’m not the most subtle girl and she’s got self respect” because it applies to just about every gd couple the comic has ever had. Except maybe Ruth/Billie but they would both claim the other has self respect despite neither being subtle nor self-respecting.
Waiting for Dina to come out from behind the door.
^This
That…would portend bad stuff. Like, neither Becky nor Dorothy could see her (again)? That’s a bad sign about Dina’s interaction with those two. 🙁
We have a pattern developing here. Dorothy is getting input on all the unfortunate repercussions of her and Joyce. Joyce, not so much.
I’d noticed that as well. I have my misgivings about the plot but I hope the cognitive disonance doesn’t break up the shift after the impact it had.
Joyce is getting input (Radish, Asma, Sarah, Walky), she just isn’t willing to listen to any of it.
(Raidah not Radish but also…damn it’s all PoC)
Loved Radish, s being so close to a. We had an unpopular mayor with the surname Radich, needless to say he got called Radish.
Yeah it’s an unfortunate pattern forming that Joyce is getting a lot of criticism from people of color and completely ignoring all of it
she at the very least should listen to Sarah; if only because she’s her opinion on the matter comes from a place of caring about Joe and her’s relationship.
Asma was kind of more about the whole issue with the protest, and them accidentally stealing the spotlight, and it being kind of a “judging you for not keepin it in your pants” situation.
Raidah hasn’t exactly ever really been showing herself in the best light, and I still think her using systemic homophobia as a weird gotcha to scare or threaten Joyce was like, the WORST way she could’ve tried to at least shame her or get at her. Instead it seems to have made her view gay people as even more deserving of respect, in a weirdly objectifying way. So Mission Failed Successfully, Radish lol
Walky has his own issues, and while I agree he got a raw deal here, he’s probably the one out of this group that would have the least effective conversation with Joyce about anything serious.
“Most Stable Relationship”?
We need a Periodic Table of DoA Relationships, by half-life!
We don”t have enough data. The only relationship we have more than one decay measurement for is Dorothy/Walky. There are quantum uncertainty issues with the second Joe/Joyce relationship, in that they currently exist in a superposed state where they are simultaneously both broken up and not broken up until a conversation collapses the dateform.
John’s doing Science and I’m here for it
Sal and Danny are totally stable as well but Dorothy only remembers that Danny exists when it’s convenient for her.
Yeeeah.. the majority of folks Joyce has dismissed being PoC is an uncomfortable unfortunate pattern. Even includes Sal and Lucy who pointed out earlier that Joyce having sex with a woman makes her gay/Bi, only for Joyce to turn around and call em all a bunch of STRAIGHTS (and Jennifer). Hopefully this pattern breaks soon, otherwise YIKES
Ah dangit! My response was meant for Dot’s OTHER comment!!
In Joyce’s defense, “straights and Jennifer” was a wonderful line.
to be fair, I forget about Danny too from time to time lol
It obvious that Dorothy would feel responsible. If Joyce were here instead of Dorothy she probably would have said the same thing.
But what’s good is that Becky shoulders the responsibility of her relationship and says “No, I’m the one who fucked up.” Because it means she’s thinking rationally (in some aspects I think she is catastrophizing a bit) about her and Dina’s relationship. It woulda been real easy to say “Yeah it’s all y’all’s fault, and you should feel bad!”
She just needs to sit down and have a talk with Dina
Well I guess that’s the new question: how does Becky get over Joyce once and for all? It’s a shame that Joyce isn’t currently at her most insufferably cringe with biology class imminent. Truly, there’s nothing that could shatter the pedestal in Becky’s mind.
I super want to believe Becky is being healthy about this. I really do.
Honestly, at this point I think only therapy would work. This isn’t just about Joyce. This is Becky running towards rock bottom emotionally. I hope that if she gets there, she gets proper help.
With how good she is at masking I’m not sure how much therapy would actually help her at this stage
Leave the country / state, have no contact with any of these people or circumstances and build a new life, which puts all this into perspective.
Or just give it a lot of time, patiently. The world will keep moving and Backy will keep having to deal with whatever it does and that tends to distract and offer perspecive in itself.
Yeah I don’t think uprooting Becky’s life after she fought so hard to be at this school with this support system is a good idea, faulty as it is right now. It’s also not realistic given the bounds of the webcomic. There’s as much time as Willis wants, but we’ll experience it at a glacial pace. Until further notice, I’m still banking on Joyce making such an ass of herself that it gives Becky a reality check on how good she has it with Dina.
Dorothy’s reaction to losing faith in God is, “That would make you better off with your girlfriend.’
Wow.
That is beyond tone deaf.
She should try, “Maybe Joyce will find you attractive now. Atheism gets her hot.”
I think it’s not so much tone deafness as she knows that Dina has been trying to convince Becky towards science = more accurate than the bible. It’s not quite the right detail to focus on, but since she presumably doesn’t know the full story of part 1 “you are proof to me that god exists”, she can’t work out the full harm the statement did.
well she wasn’t there when becky was like “you’re proof that he (god) does (exist)” as opposed to just knowing Dina is atheist/agnostic and most ppl’s general dislike of religion/ or at least her and joyce’s fundie upbringing
It’s just… honest? Dina herself said she would normally be pleased that Becky had become an atheist but she didn’t like that it was a reactionary thing to Joyce. If Dina wanted something, and got that something, it’s reasonable for a third party (Dorothy) to be confused why that something made her upset instead of delighted.
She’s simply responding to Dina being super atheist.
I mean, Becky just immediately confirms it, it seems more like Dorothy knowing her audience
If it was out of the blue, sure, but they’re talking about how she and Dina broke up, so it makes sense to be confused about why something Dina would like would break them up.
Genuinely impressed with Becky’s emotional maturity in realising not only what she said that hurt Dina, and not blaming Joyce and Dorothy. It’s one thing to say that yes, someone’s actions were the catalyst for your own; another to lay the blame entirely on them. Good smarting of age here Becky.
Is it though?
Is it really emotional maturity to blame yourself for everything? “I’m the problem, it’s me.”
The real tragedy is that Becky is not jealous of Dotty’s relationship with Joyce. She’s envious. Jealousy is unreasonable possessiveness over something that belongs to you. Enviousness is unreasonable possessiveness over something that doesn’t belong to you.
Yes, it’s a tragedy that kids can get into college without knowing that much.
Well, in USA English, many think what you say is correct (Homer Simpson apparently said this), but in usage, both can be used of someone else’s stuff. However, in romantic relationships jealous is the one used, not envious.
But where I grew up, envy was not critical of of what the other person has, just that you want it too, and jealousy was basically where you thought you should have the thing and it was *wrong* that the other person has it.
I think it would be unwise to die in a ditch over meanings that vary over time and place.
yeah, Homer Simpson is the one that introduced this into common discussions, but… like… the official definition of jealousy USES THE WORD ENVY. It’s not a distinction that actually matters, that most people don’t make, and therefore language has adapted it away. It’s just trivia, not something to feel weirdly superior for knowing, like Thor seems to think e.e
There isn’t even such a thing as an “official definition” in the first place, except for technical terms.
Dorothy ran over my son.
Becky ran over my son’s father.
Dorothy was Asgore all along, now everything make sense!
Now, only you remain, and Joyce just got behind the wheel of a car.
No no, the boy’s mother is still around. For now.
Here’s the real solution. You and Dina talk-talk-talking… closure!
if they’re no longer a solid couple, that leaves us with… them? really?
Tony and Sarah, Jacob and Lucy, Charlie and Carla are all strong stable relationships, currently. All of that may change by end of storyline, tho (I doubt it, but all things are possible if Willis wills it).
You’re forgetting Sal and Danny. Who are so stable that they are boring (in a good way). Which I get the feeling is the joke.
Wow that fourth panel. :O
Becky being far more grown up and logical than so many commenters during the last months. :/
Your mom is grown up and logical.
Maybe, just maybe, Becky could actually talk with Dina about this instead of assuming they’re broken up forever and can’t possibly get back together. But I guess that would make too much sense.
Why should she? She’s the problem. Why should Dina take her back? She’s the problem.
Of course Dina left her. She’s the problem.
Turn outs when you are going through a depressive episode your brain make you think and do things that are not completely logical! Who would had thunk?
Dorothy, you’re already trying to fix all of Joyce’s problems for her. Do you have enough bandwidth to do that and fix all of Becky’s problems for her and ignore all your own problems too?
Hey, the more people’s problems she can shoehorn into her schedule, the less time she has for thinking about her own! It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
It’s the Dorothy way.
Don’t remember where i heard it but the quote “You take care of everyone so you don’t have take care if yourself” come to mind.
damn i really love this comic. I really like these characters.
Becky desperately needs a whack in the head with a paper fan cause she is acting stupid. Go make up with Dina you ginger-flavored idiot.
Depressed people famously respond well to be told they are stupid
People who are joking famously respond well to getting fact-checked XD
Love how the artwork and narrative are linked for a strong message. Becky is accepting the problem but has a problem facing the problem yet.
Okay so this is the *second* time Becky has explicitly said that she doesn’t think Dorothy or Joyce have wronged her and that she understands that this is a Herself problem (the first being “I knew I shouldn’t have said anything. It’s me. I’m the problem.”). Maybe we won’t continue having such a surprising number of commenters who think that she believes otherwise?
It’d be nice!! She’s just. Hurt, is all. Hurt and can’t help bein’ hurt. She’s not lashing out or acting up. Outside of making weird small talk in an elevator.
You know, I think that if Becky continues on the self-awareness train, she and Dina have a decent shot of getting back together once their emotions all cool down.
I do hope so
Ahh, an excellent birthday gift that many of us need.
(not from dina, per se)
((but someone who cares for us, pelvis-grinding us into greasy paste on the floor. or bed. or table. or top of the fridge.))
I have some doubt in believe Becky doesn’t believe in God anymore. Maybe she didn’t believe since more time we all know.
you’re not broken up, you’re just dramatic
Dina’s last words to Becky were that Becky was the problem and she left.
People can be into more than one person even if their situation makes them only able to be with one. Becky needs some time to sort through things, but it’s a good sign that she’s clearly still attracted to and longing for Dina. If Dina can be assured of this, that would be good too.
Dotty, she doesn’t believe in god because Joyce does like women and doesn’t like Becky. Dina knows that and is hurt by it.
And Dorothy has no knowledge of that conversation whatsoever